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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bottom Left such podcast.

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Speaker 1: My Yest today is the one and only legendary Richie

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Speaker 1: Furay Ritchie. Good to have you on the podcast. Bob,

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for inviting me. This is really

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Speaker 1: nice man. I'm I'm excited. Okay, you have a brand

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Speaker 1: new album coming out which I listened to. It is

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Speaker 1: as good as the hype. It's fantastic, wonderful called in

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Speaker 1: the Country. How did this come to be? You know?

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Speaker 1: I was doing a concert for the Wild Honey Orchestra group.

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Speaker 1: They take um bands like the Beach Boys or the Birds.

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Speaker 1: They took Buffalo Springfield and they do they recreate the

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Speaker 1: whole catalog. And uh, they invited me out and Val Gray,

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Speaker 1: who I've known since way way way back in Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Springfield days, he came to the show and he approached

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Speaker 1: me and he said, hey, would you like to make

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Speaker 1: a record. What do you got in mind? He said, well,

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Speaker 1: would you like to do uh country? Uh, some iconic

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Speaker 1: country songs? And I said, well, uh, let's start matching

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Speaker 1: songs up. Because I didn't know how far back he

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Speaker 1: wanted to go. And it might have been too far back,

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Speaker 1: you know, But when we first um started the list songs. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The very first song that he had on his list

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Speaker 1: was a song, believe it or not, that I had

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Speaker 1: on my list that I heard back in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: a song by John Barry called Your Love Amazes Me.

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Speaker 1: And when I saw that we were both on the

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Speaker 1: same page for that, I said, let's do it and

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Speaker 1: start matching songs. Okay, I did not know that song,

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Speaker 1: but that's the best song on the album. Oh wow, man,

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Speaker 1: that is I love it, Bob. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I heard it when I was in Montana and I

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Speaker 1: was fishing, and I was driving in a car with

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Speaker 1: some friends and the radio kept going in and out

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Speaker 1: and in and out, and I said, man, I gotta

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Speaker 1: catch a line so when I get home, I can

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Speaker 1: find out what this song is and who it was

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Speaker 1: that did it. And when I found it, manage, I

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Speaker 1: loved it, and it was one of VAL's. It was

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Speaker 1: both of our first songs on the list. So we

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Speaker 1: went from there. U. Well, I love it that you

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Speaker 1: love it, man, that's great. Right, Let's talk about Val.

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Speaker 1: I've known Vale long time. He says he was there

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Speaker 1: when Buffalo Springfield was named, when they were paving the

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Speaker 1: street and think came down. Is that match your memory

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Speaker 1: or it's too long ago. He's got a better memory

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Speaker 1: than me, man, because I don't remember it. All I

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Speaker 1: remember is we found a sign on a Buffalo Springfield

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Speaker 1: steam roller on Fountain Boulevard or avenue. I don't know

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Speaker 1: is a boulevard or avenue. I don't know what it is,

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Speaker 1: but and we took it into in the Steven says I,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Vow was around. He was hanging

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Speaker 1: out a lot at the time. You know, he had

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Speaker 1: his good I think a group of the Great Sunflower

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Speaker 1: or something like that. I don't I don't even remember.

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Speaker 1: But whether he was there or not, if he wants

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Speaker 1: to be there, he can be there today. I don't care. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go back to the rest of the songs on

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Speaker 1: the album. How did you choose those? We had a

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Speaker 1: list and uh, he sent me a list, and I

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Speaker 1: sent him a list, and then we started a sort

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Speaker 1: of amount um. I picked I Hope You Dance the

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Speaker 1: Leanne Womack uh song, and I picked she Don't Know

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Speaker 1: She's Beautiful because I just think of my wife when

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Speaker 1: I sing that song. It's such a simple little rock

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Speaker 1: and roll song. But you know what I mean, My

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Speaker 1: thing in my life, you know, and so I just

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Speaker 1: I picked that song. There's of course, your love amazes me.

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Speaker 1: I picked Lonesome Town because Ricky Nelson had such an

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Speaker 1: influence on me early on on Ozzie and Harriet. Let's

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Speaker 1: stop there. Tell us about Ricky's influence. You know. Um,

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Speaker 1: at the end of every Ossie and Harriet show, Uh,

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Speaker 1: he would come on and he would play. But there

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Speaker 1: was one significant time uh that that I remember distinctly.

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Speaker 1: He maybe I made it up in my mind. I'll

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Speaker 1: what I remember. He was singing Bebop Baby over a

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Speaker 1: it was like, Oh my gosh, I gotta do this.

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Speaker 1: If he can do this, I can do this too.

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Speaker 1: That's what I said. Look, not even thinking well, he's

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Speaker 1: defining moment, that was it watching him sing with just

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Speaker 1: then boy, when it got to the chorus, it was

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Speaker 1: like with the whole band, and it was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh, I love this. Gotta do it, gotta do it, okay,

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Speaker 1: And the rest of the tracks on the record, going

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Speaker 1: through the rest of them, I actually suggested walking in

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Speaker 1: Memphis may be a dispute here, but and and I'm

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Speaker 1: already there and in this life and Chalk, which I

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Speaker 1: a song I didn't even know if I was gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to sing on the album because Bob, to

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Speaker 1: tell you the truth, every time I listened to that song,

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Speaker 1: I just started bawling, just started crying. And and I

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know why. It just it just

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Speaker 1: hit me. I was I was never in the service,

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Speaker 1: but it's just something that just hit me. And there

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Speaker 1: would be times I just sit and listen Lone Star

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Speaker 1: and um, it was just I just start crying. And

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Speaker 1: I just didn't even know if I was ever gonna

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Speaker 1: but we made it. Okay. You are one of the

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Speaker 1: people responsible for injecting country into rock. Now, I'm a

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Speaker 1: little younger than you, and country was pooh pooed at

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Speaker 1: know was listening to it. So when you were growing

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Speaker 1: to country music? Well, well, on the radio. I really

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Speaker 1: liked what you call rockabilly. I guess you know the

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Speaker 1: But Eddie Cochrane, those kind of guys, those are the

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Speaker 1: the Belmonts and and uh a little Anthony Imperials and

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Speaker 1: So those who followed your career, you know, you were

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo, Springfield, Poco, souther Hillman Furay band, you went solo,

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Speaker 1: but then you took a long time to become a preacher.

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Speaker 1: So at this point in time, how do you feel

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Speaker 1: about your career and how active are you active in

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Speaker 1: what way? Well, going on the road, making music, desiring

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Speaker 1: more fans, satiating fans, stuff like that. Okay, I get it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been married for fifty five years, Nancy

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Speaker 1: Little did I know that my wife had had an

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00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 1: both produced with me called I've Got a Reason. But

428
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Speaker 1: it wasn't certainly on my radar that I was going

429
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Speaker 1: to put a band together and uh, just ask the Lord,

430
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 1: what do you want me to do? And there was

431
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: a little diversion for me actually starting to become a pastor.

432
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: I actually did put a band together with these guys

433
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Speaker 1: and went out and did a little more music together.

434
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Speaker 1: But then that didn't you know, it didn't last long,

435
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 1: and I, uh, I stepped back, you know, because I

436
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that my wife knew and that

437
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: I was focused on on my family. She was pregnant

438
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Speaker 1: with our second child and actually had he had to

439
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 1: check a second child, and so it was oh boy,

440
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 1: it was man to relive. Some of this is like, uh,

441
00:21:52,400 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: heavy duty stuff. Man, that's good though, it's good, Okay.

442
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: Subsequent to the demise, we're talking about this period nineteen,

443
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 1: the demise Southern Hillmansury Bean. You made a number of

444
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: albums on a silo. I did, So, how was that

445
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: relative to the marriage. Well, I owed David Geffen three

446
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: records and basically I've Got a Reason, dance a little light,

447
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: and I still have dreams were the records, uh that

448
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 1: I made, and the first one, I've Got a Reason,

449
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: was an interesting record because again I was torn. I

450
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 1: didn't know whether I was going to be a musician.

451
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was gonna be doing, and uh,

452
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 1: so I made this record, I've Got a Reason. And

453
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Speaker 1: interestingly enough, that record was, um it was it was

454
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Speaker 1: to Jesus for the uh, secular world, and it was

455
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 1: too secular for the Jesus people or the or the

456
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 1: Christian market that I was in. Interesting enough, the name

457
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: of Jesus isn't on the record at all. I just

458
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Speaker 1: told about some of my story when Nancy and I

459
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Speaker 1: were uprated, and that's the one that Bill Schney and

460
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: uh and Michael o'marty and produced together. Um. And then uh,

461
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't go out on the road a lot,

462
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: but we did travel, but I really kept it under control.

463
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: Then dance a Little Light came along, and well, I

464
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 1: would tell you that, you know when I when when

465
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Speaker 1: I Got a Reason was getting underway, David Geffen did

466
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: call me and he said, you're not gonna give me

467
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Speaker 1: any of that Jesus music, are you? And uh, I mean,

468
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,959
Speaker 1: but that's the time he started to do Donna Summer

469
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Speaker 1: and some of these other people that were, you know,

470
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Speaker 1: really becoming outspoken Christians or whatever. But it was kind

471
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Speaker 1: of funny. I love David. I mean I really, I've

472
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: only had good experiences with him. Lots of people don't

473
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Speaker 1: like him, but you know what, I I've only had

474
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Speaker 1: good experiences with David. Haven't seen him for years, but

475
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: when those things were going on, we were pretty close

476
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: and spent some time together. And and that's why I

477
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: felt obligated to make these records and just finish this commitment,

478
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, without trying to bail out. But by the

479
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: time I made Dance a Little Light, David had left

480
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: Asylum and it was Joe uh oh, gosh, Joe Smith,

481
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: Joe Smith, thank you um and I made Dance a

482
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 1: Little Light. And each each one of these records became

483
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: less and less about me and who I was with

484
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: my faith, but they were more secular in uh in,

485
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 1: in scope. But it did nothing. And I remember playing

486
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: at the Roxy, and I remember Asylum, you know, coming down,

487
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: we want to come down and here you and I

488
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 1: was hoping, boy, they're gonna come down and say get out.

489
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Speaker 1: We don't want you know you're out of your contract.

490
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: We don't want you any more. Well, we blew the

491
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Speaker 1: place apart. I had a band. It was terrific, and

492
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: we blew the place apart. And they said, when are

493
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: you gonna do your next record? Oh man, that that

494
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: one had just come out, you know, but that's what

495
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 1: they wanted, and that's when I got together and ended

496
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: up doing I Still Have Dreams. That was another interesting

497
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: project because I recorded most of that record the first time.

498
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: I recorded it twice. I recorded it up at Cariboo

499
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: Ranch with my band, with my with my band, and

500
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: when we got done with it, it just it didn't

501
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: have I wanted it to sound more alive. And a

502
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: guy named Charlie Reardon was working with me at the time.

503
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 1: He was an Asylum UM record uh runner here in Denver,

504
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 1: and he said, well, let me, you know, call Asylum

505
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: and tell him you're not gonna do it, and we'll

506
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: just call, you know, we'll see, you know what we

507
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: can do. We ended up doing Val Gray and the section,

508
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, and it was like, oh man, I tell you, Bob,

509
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: it was a record that I'll never forget because that's

510
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: one thing with Val that on both records that I've

511
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: done with him, I've been able to sing nine percent

512
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: of the records live while the tracks are going down,

513
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: and most of the time you're always overdubbing, you know.

514
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: But anyway, um, we had already recorded up at Cariboo,

515
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: and I said, I don't like it and I don't

516
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 1: want to you know, I don't want to put this out.

517
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: And he said, well, let's go out there, l A

518
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Speaker 1: and do it. Man. We'll get the section and get

519
00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: uh you know, so Val produced. I still have dream

520
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: teams with you know, Russ Kunkin and Les Clare and

521
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: Dan Doug Moore and and Wadi wak Tell and Craig

522
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: Dergy and there was the band man and you know,

523
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Speaker 1: I still have dreams. Became a top ten radio hit,

524
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: but no one bought it it, uh, you know, and

525
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: so things are kind of like, okay, what now? And

526
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: I think that's when I decided, you know, I need

527
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Speaker 1: to really figure out what I'm gonna do. And that's

528
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: when I started pastoring a church for about thirty five years. Okay,

529
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: so you didn't make another record for fifteen years. I'm

530
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: interested in the details of how you end up getting

531
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: your own church. Did you get involved with the church

532
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 1: that existed. Did you start your own church? How did

533
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: you start preaching? How did that all happen? Well, basically,

534
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 1: we started a home Bible study. Nancy and I start

535
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: a home Bible study in our home. We were living

536
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: up off of uh, you know, up in the mountains

537
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 1: west of Boulder, and there was a neighbor up there

538
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: and said, hey, would you like to He approached me

539
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, I've heard, you know from another

540
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: neighbor up here that you're a Christian and and um,

541
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, want to do a Bible study. And so,

542
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: you know, we got together on our home and we

543
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: both sat around and it was like, okay, who's gonna

544
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 1: lead this thing? And nobody did anything, you know. We

545
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: were just sitting there twiddling our thumbs and kind of like, okay,

546
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: that was nice. We'll get together some other time, you know.

547
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: And so I went down to the local bookstore and

548
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: I got I'd already come home with a bunch of

549
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: Chuck Smith tapes through the Bible. That's what he did. Uh,

550
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: Calgary Chappell does book by book, verse by verse, and

551
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: so you you got to hit everything or you or

552
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: you don't. It's not topical studies in other words. And

553
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: so I went down and I got I got the

554
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: Book of John, a commentary on the on the Book

555
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: of John, and uh, I said, Okay, when we get

556
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: together again, I'm gonna take over. I'm gonna start and

557
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: lead this thing. And so that's basically how I started doing.

558
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: And I listened to Chuck Smith tapes and I listened

559
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: to and I read, I read commentaries that I got

560
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: at the local bookstore, and you know, we started get

561
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: some more people that would come around to the house

562
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: and and uh, we just had our little home Bible.

563
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: Say that's how the church got started. Okay, so what

564
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: happened after that? After that, I had a friend down

565
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: at which was really Calgary Chapel in Denver, who was

566
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: making worship records at the time, and came to a

567
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: friend of mine who was in our church at the time,

568
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: and um, he was my worship leader, and asked if

569
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: we had some songs to contribute to a worship album

570
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 1: that we were doing well. By the time we got

571
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: around to it, we had played him ten or twelve songs.

572
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: He said, you've got enough for an album yourself. And

573
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: so we went into studio with this guy, Randy Rigby,

574
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: and John Macy here in Denver, and uh, and we

575
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: recorded in my father's house. And so that was the

576
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: first record that I actually made after Seasons of Change,

577
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: which was really uh that was that was one of

578
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: the last secular Christian when I was I don't like

579
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: to call my my my records or my Christian records

580
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: or whatever. You know. Some of them are more devotional,

581
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: some of them, you know, but they're just in my

582
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: father's house. And I am sure we're two devotional records

583
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: that came out of that accounter with Randy Rigby and

584
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: and John Macy. Okay, but that was already I got

585
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: way ahead of myself here. So you're having Bible study

586
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: in your house, you're leading that. How do you end

587
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: up with your own church? Well, as it turned out, um,

588
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: in the Bible study that we did, people came to

589
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: me and they said, you know, because the Bible study

590
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: was growing, and they said, when are we going to

591
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: start church? And I'm trying to think that must have

592
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: been about a d two or eighty three somewhere, maybe

593
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: two somewhere and there. I can't remember. Man, it's like beep, beep,

594
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: beep beep. Their short circuiting. But they came and they

595
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 1: said and I basically told him, I said, well, when

596
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: the Lord leads, well, some of them decided they were

597
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: in a hurry to get started, and so they kind

598
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: of broke off from our little Bible study and they

599
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: started their own thing on on Sunday mornings, and it

600
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: just flopped and went nowhere. And in the meantime, I

601
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: went looking for a building, you know, that maybe we

602
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: could meet in with the rest of the people. And

603
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: so that's what we did. I found a little Seventh

604
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: day Baptist church on the corner of a Rapaho and

605
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: Ninth Street and Boulder, and they didn't meet on Sundays,

606
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 1: and so we we started meeting on Sundays in in

607
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: that place that we I took the rest of that

608
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: Bible study over there, and actually we just we started church.

609
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: We just we're Calgary Chapel a Boulder at the time.

610
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: No no seminary, no nothing, just Chuck Smith tapes and

611
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: the way we go. Okay, so you recently retired, when

612
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: you retired and passed the baton, how big was the church?

613
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: How many people would come? You know, My wife and

614
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: I were just talking about this, and our church was

615
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: always pretty small. And as she said, we had between

616
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: two hundred and two undred fifty people, you know, counting kids. Right,

617
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: that's pretty good size. I have to ask because it

618
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: is the music business. Yeah, your deal with the asylum

619
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: is over. What are you doing for money? Living? Financially?

620
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: I had the church, but I also would go out

621
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: and I would play some concerts because this one band

622
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: that I had with Randy Rigby, UM, we actually did

623
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: some churches. And then Kenny called me and he said, hey,

624
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: do you want to come out to um? Uh what

625
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: what did it by the bay out there in San Diego?

626
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: Um Humphreys Humphrey. Yeah, And he said would you like

627
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: to come out now? It's been probably ten years, you know,

628
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I got this little band, but Kenny,

629
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: I haven't played. I just don't know if I can do.

630
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: I'll find the show for you. And he called me

631
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: back in about a month and he said, I got

632
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: the perfect show for you to do. And he said

633
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: as Steven Stills. I said, really, And I thought about

634
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: it and I talked to my to my buddy at

635
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: the time that was he was like my band because

636
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: he played guitar, ban Joe and do Bro and all

637
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: kinds of it was just the two offus we were.

638
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: He said, we can do this, and so we put

639
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: about seven or eight songs together and one out and

640
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: open for Steven Stills, and the next thing I know,

641
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: you know, we've we're going out back and forth to

642
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: Calvary to Humphreys by the Bay. Kenny had us out

643
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: there six times, and each time I had a little

644
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: more of a band, a little bit bigger of a band.

645
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: And so I'm actually playing music on um you know,

646
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm taking time off from from the church. Not lengthy time,

647
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: so I would I would never be away from the

648
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 1: church for more than probably two weeks at a time.

649
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: And that was that was like very rare that I

650
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: would do that maybe a week. But that's how all

651
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: of that just started. Kenny was really the impetus behind

652
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: all of that off but he he had his plan

653
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: with the Emmy Lou Harris, and then he had his

654
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: plan with Poco, and he had his plan. I mean,

655
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: he had us doing all kinds of concerts out there. Okay,

656
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: so tell me about how you decided to retire as

657
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: a pastor, and it appears that you're more invested in

658
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: music subsequent to that. Tell me, what's going through your brain? There? Oh? Man?

659
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: You know, once you really have music, it's always there.

660
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: And I not only had had recorded in my father's

661
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: house and I am sure, but then I recorded Heartbeat

662
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: of Love. I did Alive the double C D with

663
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: my band. I did Heartbeat of Love and I did.

664
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: I am sure. But but what's going on here? Is

665
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: pose the question again? I'm sorry man, I'm getting old. Well, okay,

666
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: you know you have a thirty five year career as

667
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: a pastor. How did you decide to retire? And it

668
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: appears that you're refocusing on music? But tell me what

669
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: you feel. Well? See, I never walked away from music.

670
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: Always made these records on my own, went to next film,

671
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: made him. But here's what happened with the church after

672
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: thirty five years. Um, you know, my life has always

673
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: been giving. It's always whether it's been music, whether it's

674
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: been the church. You know, you're you're always doing it.

675
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: And I came down with Bell's palsy. I didn't even

676
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: know what Bell's palsy was. And this was like two

677
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: days before Christmas. Um, and uh, my wife and I

678
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: are having breakfast and he she says, she said, are

679
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: you okay, I said, yeah, what's wrong? She said, well,

680
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: it looks like the whole left side of your face

681
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: is just drooping. And so we headed over to the

682
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: doctor and the next thing, I know, you know, they

683
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: diagnosed it the best they could and said, you got

684
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: Bell's palsy. After putting me in that little tube that man,

685
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: I just I can't. I'm claustrophobic and can't do that thing.

686
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: But they finally got me in it. Man, they drugged

687
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: me up enough they got me in it. And you know,

688
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: Nancy and I just talked and said, you know what,

689
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: I think I was seventy five at the time, and

690
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, we've we've we we've really

691
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,919
Speaker 1: put a lot of time in and probably have neglected ourselves.

692
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: Maybe it's time just to step away so that I

693
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: don't always you know, I don't always have to be

694
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: in one place at one time. Let's just start focusing

695
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: on ourselves. And bobbed us basically, what really caused me

696
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,280
Speaker 1: to step away from the church apter thirty five years.

697
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: We just wanted to spend more time with ourselves, with

698
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: our kids, with our grandkids, and just you know, just

699
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: really uh um, you know, living our life together. Here

700
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: we are old people, you know, but we're still wanting

701
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: to you know, we're I wrote that song called hand

702
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: in Hand. You know, after all these years, we're still

703
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: going hand in hand. And we just that was really

704
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: the what was behind it. We just wanted or I

705
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: just wanted to step away from having the commitment of

706
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: having to be at church and serving and doing this

707
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: and do it. I wanted to. I wanted to focus

708
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: on my wife, which maybe I should have done even

709
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: ten years earlier, but who knew. But it took Bell's

710
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,919
Speaker 1: palsy to really, you know, put me in that uh,

711
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: in that frame of mind to start thinking about that.

712
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: Sometimes Bells pausy doesn't go away. So how is your

713
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: Bell's pauls? It's great, you know, And I was. It

714
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: was like it was almost like a miracle. Mine lasted

715
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: maybe maybe six to seven, maybe two months, two months.

716
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: My friend and I spoke about earlier Tom Stipe, who

717
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: was a pastor that just passed away. That was my

718
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 1: good friend. I wrote quite a few songs with him

719
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: and I've got a reason and uhh, yeah, I've got

720
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: a reason to dance. He got it and he had

721
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: it for a long time. I mean, he really did

722
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: have it for a long time. But uh, yeah, I

723
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: can wink at you right now with both eyes. And

724
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: it was crazy though, Man, I never even heard of

725
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: Bell's palsy. I didn't even know what it was. Yeah,

726
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: I had a friend who had it. And so in

727
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: any event, you're stepping away from the church, is music

728
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: just one thing you're doing, or you refocusing and devoting

729
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: more time to music A little bit of both. You know.

730
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: I stepped away and I had a band together at

731
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: the time, and we were actually um uh there were

732
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,760
Speaker 1: some crisis is that went on in the church after

733
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: after I stepped down and turned it over. I don't

734
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: know that I necessarily need to get into him, but

735
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: I had some things booked. I had actually David had

736
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: had actually encouraged me to do the delivering uh c D.

737
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: And um you know, I already was playing all but

738
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: three songs, uh you know, at a various times, uh,

739
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: in my in my sets, and so I was doing that,

740
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: I was focusing on music. I wasn't focused. I never

741
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: have focused on it, like, Okay, you know what, I'm

742
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: gonna have another career and do that again. I never

743
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: thought about that. And so around the same time. You know,

744
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: that's when Val kind of approached me not too long

745
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: after that about in and Um. So, I mean it's

746
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: always been music. And you know, one thing that I've

747
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: been very um, I've been very proud of that I've

748
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: been able to write music that I really feel is

749
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: is good music, you know. I mean it's really good

750
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: music on heartbeat of love and and and I am sure.

751
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: So I've been creative. I haven't just sat around and

752
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 1: twiddled my thumbs. And I've always been creative. And when

753
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: something came around to write some music and some songs,

754
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: I've done that. And um, and been fortunate enough to

755
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: have some good people to play with. I got some

756
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: great people right now, Dan one of them, who's sitting

757
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: back here with me, who's helping to tape this, and

758
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: and on, and my daughter Jesse, and then I've got

759
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: some other friends in San Diego. Because I had some issues,

760
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: I had to break up my band that I actually

761
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: played with longer than I ever played with any other

762
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: band in my life. So how come you have to

763
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: break him up because I was betrayed? Yeah, I will

764
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: leave that of that. Let's go back to the beginning. Okay,

765
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: Yellow Springs Ohio was a college town. So what were

766
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: your parents doing there when you were growing up? My

767
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: dad and mom had a drug store. Now my dad

768
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: was not a pharmacist, but he owned the business. He

769
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: owned the drug store, and um, he passed away when

770
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: he was forty five years old. I was thirteen years old. Yeah,

771
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: he had an aortic aneurysm. And I can remember it

772
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: to this day when the ambulance pulled up in front

773
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: of our house at six one six Zeni Avenue, and um,

774
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: you know they were they were carrying him away and

775
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: that was it. I mean, you know, it's like John

776
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: Ritter when he passed away. If you're not in the

777
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: hospital and something like that, uns, you're done. And he

778
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: was done. But they were business people and um, you know,

779
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: my mom then after after he passed away several years,

780
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: uh you know, sold the business of the drug store

781
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: and opened up a gift shop and uh and all

782
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 1: and so they were they were business people in town.

783
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: How the family just my sister and uh, she's three

784
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: years older than I am. Just saw her last week

785
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: at the coach House, which was really sweet, and her

786
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: whole family. So what kind of kid were you? Good student?

787
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: Bad student? Popular, not popular. I was a terrible student.

788
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: I would like to think that I I was a

789
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: popular student. Uh My. My graduating class at Brian High

790
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: School in Yellow Springs was forty six people, so I

791
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: mean it was very small, and I'd like to think

792
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: I ran with the with the in crowd, you know,

793
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: I'd like to think that, But who knows me. Did

794
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: you play any music in high school? I did basically though,

795
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:06,959
Speaker 1: from the junior high to just into high school. Uh

796
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: is when I played most of the music because it

797
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: was popular. Music wasn't really the popular thing to do

798
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: at the time. The popular thing to do was to

799
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: be an athlete, and so I really started focusing on

800
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: baseball factors. When I went to college, I thought I

801
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: wanted to I thought I really wanted to pursue a

802
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 1: baseball career. And I got the I got the college man,

803
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: and I went to the team. Well that's not gonna work,

804
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: is So I think, I think I'll be an actor.

805
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: Then you know what happened. Man, my roommate he was.

806
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: He he was an actor, and here we are freshmen,

807
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: and we both tried out for the first play and

808
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: we went into the into the room you know where

809
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: they have the list of you know, and he got

810
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: the lead into play and I had to go clear

811
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: down to the cleared down to the chorus to find hours.

812
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: So I said, well, this isn't gonna work either, and so, um,

813
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, I was kind of thumbing along at that time,

814
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: not knowing what I was gonna do. I met two guys,

815
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: Bob Harmelenke and Nels Gustuson, and they were they were

816
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: good friends. I did win the college talent show. I sang.

817
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: They called the win Mariah. And so that's where we

818
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: picked up and we became we became the campus folk singers.

819
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: We went around from otter Vine in Westerville, Ohio, Ohio,

820
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: Staton around there and singing, you know. And and that's

821
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: when we went off to New York later on, you know,

822
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: on on the Acapella Choir tour. Okay, so how long

823
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: were you in college here and a half. I actually

824
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: had a rupture dependix my sit my sophomore year and

825
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: I never went back. At Christmas time, I never went back.

826
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: So how did you decide not to go back? And

827
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: what did you do that? Well, college wasn't for me, man.

828
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: I went to college because it was the it seemed

829
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 1: like the thing to do at that time. I was

830
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: following in the footsteps of my sister, she went to

831
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,760
Speaker 1: atter Vine and all. But the one thing that really

832
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: um attracted, I mean that that kept me kind of

833
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: hooked into college was there was an acapella choir tour

834
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: that was planned for the spring of my sophomore year

835
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: that was going to New York and Bob and Nels

836
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: and I who were doing all the Peter Paul and

837
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: Mary Kingston trio and and all those songs, you know,

838
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: and we were gonna go in uh downtown in the city,

839
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: and we were we were going to become the next,

840
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: you know, the next big thing in in New York,

841
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: you know. And here I have I have a rupture

842
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: to panics, and I said, I I school didn't appeal

843
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: to me. And I was able to talk to college

844
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 1: into allowing me to go on that choir tour if

845
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: I came up for the rehearsals. And so I would

846
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: drive up to Westerville, you know, probably two times a week.

847
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: I was working at a place called Pratt and Whitney

848
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,959
Speaker 1: Aircraft making tire no no no no no Morris meaning

849
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: company uh making um tire castings at the time at

850
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: home and then driving up there to um to uh

851
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 1: do the rehearsals. And you know, they allowed me to

852
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: go on that trip. And that's how it all got started,

853
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 1: you know, from way back when we went down into

854
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: the village on a Saturday night on our on our

855
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: day off, and Nell's who could sell you anything. I

856
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: get a load of this, this is good. He he

857
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: went up to these clubs and uh, I think we

858
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: played at the Village Gate and I think we also

859
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: played at the four not the we did play at

860
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: the Four Wins, but at the Cafe Wah. But here's

861
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 1: the catch. We played as they turned the audience over.

862
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I thought, man, this is the big time.

863
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 1: But you know, this was the time when tourists were

864
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: coming through the village, you know, and folk music was

865
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: the big thing. And they said, sure, man, you can play. Well,

866
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: we're getting the people out and the other people in,

867
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, And that's what we did. But Bobby was

868
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: enough to sell me man that Uh. You know, we

869
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: went back that that next summer. I talked the guys

870
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: in the on back that summer and and um we

871
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: one of the other little clubs we played out was

872
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: a past the basket place called the Four Winds, and uh,

873
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: that's that was that's where I met Stephen. Okay, so

874
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: you went back and worked in the tire planted for

875
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: a year and then came back to New York City.

876
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: It actually wasn't a year when when when the tour

877
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: was over, when the Apell acquired tour was over, we

878
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: went back and they finished their sophomore year. So I

879
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: only went back to that tire company. Morris beIN a

880
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: company for probably what another three months or so before

881
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: we all went back to New York around probably June

882
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: or July something like that. So how do you meet

883
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: Steven Still? He was in the same pack. I I

884
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: contacted Johns Hopkins, who was the kind of like the

885
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: manager of the Four Winds, and um, man, I was

886
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: kind of stupid, you know, I mean, can we come

887
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: back and work at your club? Well, of course you can.

888
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: It's a pasta basket place. I don't have to pay you,

889
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, he didn't say that. But so

890
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: I went back and Stephen was doing the same thing.

891
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: He was in that same club, and um uh, and

892
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: that's where we met. And so we started, you know,

893
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: becoming we became friends. Okay. Was it a natural connection,

894
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, you bonded, or was it more like, this

895
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: is a business, how can we make it work? Now,

896
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: it was definitely a bonding thing, and but at that

897
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: time it was just I appreciate you, and he appreciated us.

898
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: He he liked us and and Bob and Nells and

899
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: it was very friendly and Stephen was an outgoing guy

900
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: and so so we hit it off. But there was

901
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: a guy his name was Eddie Miller, and he came

902
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: to us at one time and he he had he

903
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: had I'm not sure if he was managing this group

904
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: that was working up on eighth I think it was

905
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: Eighth Street. They were called the Bass Singers, and there

906
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: was a guy named Roy Michaels in that band who

907
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 1: was in Cap Mother and the All Night Newsboys. But

908
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: but but that was a group, another folk group. They

909
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: were kind of like more uptown than we were. And

910
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 1: he took that group and took my group with Bob

911
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 1: and Nells and Stephen, and then he took Roy Michaels,

912
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: who was in the Bay Singers, his girlfriend Kathy King

913
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: and put us together as like a new Christie minstrel

914
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: serendipity singer backporch majority whatever you know. We ended up

915
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: being called the Go Go Singers after the Cafe a

916
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: Go Go the hair in the city. But he put

917
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: us together and we we uh we in in a

918
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: sixth probably in a six month period of time, we

919
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: did a Rudy Valley on Broadway to night television show.

920
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: We did a off Broadway play that was off off

921
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: Broadway in two weeks. Very quickly, we did a supper

922
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: club tour of Texas, and I'm trying to think there

923
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: was one other thing we made that record for for

924
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: Roulette Records called they call us a Go Go Singers.

925
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: So we did all of that, then it broke up.

926
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: And when it broke up, uh, Steven's the Bass Singers,

927
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: I guess had booked a little tour across Canada, and

928
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: Stephen went with them as their lead singer because they

929
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: really didn't have a lead singer. And that's where he

930
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: met Neil Young in Toronto, and so he told Neil man,

931
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: come on down to to New York or whatever, you know,

932
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: if you need to do anything down there, because we've

933
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: kept an apartment down there, and I would come down

934
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: and and stay at the apartment and do auditions in

935
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: New York myself when I was working up at Pratt

936
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: and Whitney Aircraft, because I was working at Pratt and

937
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: Whitney at the time. Okay, you're in the Go Go Singers. Yeah,

938
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: how do you end up working at Pratt? And when

939
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: when the group broke up, I needed to eat and

940
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: doing auditions wasn't paying me anything. But there were things

941
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: that we're going on. Uh, you know, I called my

942
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: cousin who um uh you mentioned in the in in

943
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: your liner notes of the of the Delivering record, you know,

944
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: my cousin up at Pratt and Whitney, and uh he

945
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: convinced you know, I con tim basically that I was

946
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: in for the gold Watch and u uh he had

947
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: me come up and I was actually uh dating basically

948
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: one of the uh the girls in the base thing

949
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: or her sister at the time. They lived in Massachusetts,

950
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: So I went up and and stayed with that family

951
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: while I commuted from Wilbraham down to East Hartford. And um,

952
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: so that's how I started working at Pratt and Whitney Aircraft.

953
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: And UM, I don't want to get ahead on myself here.

954
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I got all that right.

955
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, basically when when the Agogla Singers broke up,

956
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: I just needed to eat. And a living across the

957
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: street from me in New York City, though, was Graham Parsons.

958
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: And Graham's the one that really kind of I gotta

959
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: say he was. He was really a force in getting

960
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,360
Speaker 1: me to call Stephen to find out what he was doing,

961
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: because there was nothing happening for me. I was handing

962
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: out tools in the tool crib, and I was probably

963
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: gonna be handing out tools in the tool crib until

964
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: the day I died if something didn't happen. And what

965
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: happened was Graham brought the Bird's first record up to

966
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: me and he said, you got to hear this. This

967
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: is fantastic. And when I listened to it Bob and

968
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: heard it, it was like I never heard anything like it.

969
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: Here's Bob Dylan electric. You know, It's like, oh my gosh,

970
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: this is terrific. And so I got ahold of Stephen,

971
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 1: and um, I think, as you elated to in in

972
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: the in the liner notes, you know, I didn't know

973
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: how to get ahold of Stephen, but I contacted his dad,

974
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: sent him a letter, give me Steven's address, give me

975
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: is you know, give me somehow to get in touch

976
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: with him. And I waited and I waited, I wait

977
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: and I waited, and I thought, oh my gosh, the

978
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: letter did never reach him because he was in El

979
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: Salvador and I had I mean, I was, I don't

980
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 1: even know how I had that address. I really don't

981
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: to this day know how I had that address. But

982
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: the letter came back no postage, not enough, not enough postage,

983
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: and it was like, oh my gosh, Uh so I've

984
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: got enough postage, sent it back, and you know what,

985
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 1: within two or three weeks, I was in touch with Stephen.

986
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: He had moved from his he was up in San

987
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: Francisco with it at his mom and had moved down

988
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles and he said, hey, come on out

989
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: to l A. I've got a band together. All I

990
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: need is another singer. We're ready to go. And I said,

991
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: let me take care of business here and I'll be

992
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: out there now. That was pretty bold on me because

993
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: I had also heard Stephen a couple of months earlier

994
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: try to put a night owl, uh love and spoonful

995
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: type band together and it was awful handy, I mean,

996
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: it was a train wreck. Actually, I backed Stephen and

997
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: I talked about this a couple of weeks ago, and

998
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 1: he didn't even remember doing it, so you know it

999
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: it had to be bad, man. But uh, handing out

1000
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 1: tools into tool croup sounded better. So for me to say,

1001
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: I'm on my way to go clear across country, man,

1002
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: this was a big step. And uh, interestingly enough, when

1003
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: I got out there, I waited at the at the

1004
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: l A Airport, and I watched all these little yellow

1005
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: they looked like vacuum cleaners driving around that little circle

1006
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,839
Speaker 1: on the at the airport. Man. It was it was

1007
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: like these little cars, man, And the one that stuck

1008
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: out was a bright yellow car. They were Porsches, you know,

1009
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: these nine eleven Porsches, and and watch them go around

1010
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: and go around and go around and find a little

1011
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: v w you know, keep packed up and and and

1012
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: stopped in front of me, you know. And it was

1013
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: it was Stephen and he was with Dickie Davis, and uh,

1014
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: uh you know, we went back to I don't know

1015
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: if it was Dickie's house or Steven's apartment or whatever,

1016
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: but that was how we, you know, the whole thing started.

1017
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: But when I got there, there was no band. It

1018
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: was me and him, and it was like, oh boy,

1019
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: what have I done now, you know, because this was

1020
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: like I come all the way across country, I've i've

1021
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: I've quit my job, and there's no band. He had

1022
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: told me all I need is another singer, and I said, okay,

1023
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: but when I get But you know what, that all

1024
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: worked out perfect. And it worked out perfect because for

1025
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: probably a month, maybe three weeks, three to four weeks,

1026
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 1: we sat in this little apartment on Fountain Avenue, sitting

1027
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: right across from one another. Stephen had written all the

1028
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: songs that he wrote for the first Buffalo Springfield Record,

1029
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: and we learned to harmonize, we learned a phrase, We

1030
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: learned to sing in unison because the Beatles were like

1031
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 1: you know, they were like that, yeah man, and so

1032
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: it was like the Lennon and McCartney. And then when

1033
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: and when Lennon McCartney sang together, yeah, I mean there

1034
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: were three, you know, with George Harrison and Paul and

1035
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: George and John they were all lead singers. But then

1036
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: Paul and John would sing together, and so Steve and

1037
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: I learned to sing unison. We learned to sing harmony,

1038
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: we learned a phrase, and so when we went in

1039
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 1: to make the record, which was actually at gold Star

1040
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: on a four track, you know, uh, you know, some

1041
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: of some of the singing we had already just we

1042
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: had already leveled it, you know, but we hadn't at

1043
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: Neil yet. It was just me and him. Okay, So

1044
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: how did the band ultimately come together? And how long

1045
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: did it take? You know, I don't know the time frame.

1046
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: We had a guy, Barry Friedman, who was working with us.

1047
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: Uh later changed his name to Fraser Mohawk and uh,

1048
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: he was he was he was helping us out. Um

1049
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: and Stephen and I were kind of like living up

1050
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: in a little place in front of his house. In

1051
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: the back. He was working with another group called Maston

1052
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: and Brewer, which later became Brewer and Brewer and then

1053
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 1: Brewer and Shipley. Uh so it was Tom Maston and

1054
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: and and Mike Brewer and UM. They were putting a

1055
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: band together. Barry didn't think that we were ready, so

1056
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: he took us down his screen Gems and Stephen that

1057
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,399
Speaker 1: was when Steven sold sit Down, I Think I Love

1058
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: You two screen Gems and the Mojo Men made a

1059
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: hit out of it. I sold a song called My

1060
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 1: Kind Of love. We both sold him for a hundred

1061
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: bucks man and that was it. But but I think

1062
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: Stephen did better than I did with with Mojo Man.

1063
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 1: But anyway, Um, that's that's what helped us live for

1064
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: a little bit. And we just kept doing our thing

1065
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: until one day we're on Sunset Boulevard and I have

1066
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 1: no idea. Um, you know, Barry didn't think we were ready,

1067
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: and but we were hanging out with him and we

1068
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: were driving down Sunset Boulevard. We were actually going west

1069
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: and he was uh and and Neil, I'm sorry, we

1070
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: were going east. We were coming east. Neil and Bruce

1071
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: in Niel's old hearse with Ontario license plates. Kind of

1072
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: we crossed right there. I don't know what the intersection is,

1073
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: but it used to be Ben Frank's and yeah, it's

1074
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is that what is it

1075
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: that uh today changed to a chain? But you're just

1076
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: west of Lasiana, Yeah, La Sienega and there's a traffic cam.

1077
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: Figure it out. Figure it out. No, I mean, this

1078
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: is like fate happening right a way, you know. I

1079
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 1: mean Steven has already been a friend of of Nil's.

1080
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: Neil had come down to New York to pedal songs

1081
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: and I I met him down there. He actually taught me.

1082
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: Nowadays Clancy can't even sing at that particular time. But

1083
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: here we are on Sunset Boulevard. They have been there,

1084
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: Bruce and and Neil had been there for I don't

1085
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: know for weeks anyway, And again this is well before

1086
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: cell phones and computers, and you know, nobody knew how

1087
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: to get in in touch with one another. And Bruce

1088
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 1: and and Neil were leaving town. They were heading west

1089
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: on on Sunset Boulevard to the four oh five to

1090
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: go to San Francisco. They were done with l A.

1091
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: And there we were, man right there at that little

1092
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,959
Speaker 1: intersection or nearby where where Ben Franks was and and uh,

1093
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: Stephen or and I. I. I've heard so many stories

1094
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: of how it happened, But in our car, I don't

1095
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: know who it was, if it was me or here

1096
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: you nobody. Wow, look at that. That's gotta be new

1097
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: young man, and that stupid looking Hurst man with Ontario

1098
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: license plate. And sure enough, man in the middle of

1099
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: a traffic jam, we got everybody turned around and pulled

1100
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: into Ben Frank's parking lot and there was Neil. We

1101
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: took him back to the apartment, played him some of

1102
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: the things that we were doing that Stephen and I

1103
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 1: were working on steven songs and I had actually played

1104
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: and taught Stephen. Nowadays, Clancy can't even sing at the time,

1105
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: so we were able to like audition that if you

1106
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: will for Neil, and he was sold. And so now

1107
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,720
Speaker 1: we've got a We've got a two lead guitar players

1108
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: and a realthic guitar player and a bass player. We

1109
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: need a drummer. But there's the beginnings of the band

1110
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 1: right there. How does it become the band? How does

1111
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,840
Speaker 1: it become Buffalo Springfield? How do you get a record deal? Well,

1112
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: we became a band. Um Again, Barry was trying to

1113
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: put us together with a couple other people, and he

1114
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: tried to put us together with Billy Mundy and I

1115
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: love Billy, Billy say sweet guy. Um but um it

1116
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: didn't work. And somehow another David Crosby and Chris Hillman

1117
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: both you know, had found out about us and knew

1118
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: that we were looking for a drummer. And they were

1119
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 1: being managed by uh dis uh Tickner and Dixon at

1120
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: the time, and the Dillards were also being were managed

1121
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: by them, and they were a blue grass group that

1122
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: had tried to you know, put bass and drums, make

1123
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: you know, make it a little more lively with stuff,

1124
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: and that it wasn't working for him. And Dewey Martin

1125
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: was their drummer, and so it all turned around that

1126
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 1: Dewey was introduced to us and um uh so when

1127
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: he auditioned, he said, the only thing, you know, if

1128
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: if he gets it, the only thing he wanted to

1129
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: do is be able to sing a little bit, you know,

1130
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: because he said, I sing like Wilson Pickett. And so anyway,

1131
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: we listened to Dewey and you and you know Bob

1132
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: so often it's like this. You know, it might not

1133
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: be the greatest players, might not be the greatest singers

1134
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: or whatever, but you know what, it worked. It worked

1135
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: somehow with Bruce and Dewey. Bruce was a phenomenal bass player.

1136
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: Dewey was a very simple drummer, you know, but it

1137
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 1: just worked for us. And and that's that's what, you know,

1138
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: The band worked like that, and it wasn't. Man, I

1139
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: don't know if it was. Uh, I don't know how

1140
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: much it was weeks you know that we were actually

1141
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 1: going out and we were opening up for the Birds

1142
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: doing some of their concerts at that time, and it

1143
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: was like crazy. And then then we became the house

1144
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: band along with the Doors and Love and um Um

1145
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: maybe leaves in a couple of the other bands, you know,

1146
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: the l A bands at the time at the Whiskey

1147
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: Igogo thanks to Chris and and and David at the

1148
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: same time. You know. But that was how you know

1149
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: it all started. You know, they heard us and they

1150
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: got us. Uh, they got us, Dewey, and Dewey was

1151
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: satisfied and uh, there you go. Okay, tell us the

1152
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: story of how you name it Buffalo Springfield and how

1153
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:57,040
Speaker 1: you actually get the record deal. Okay, Well, you know,

1154
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: we didn't have much money at that time, so I

1155
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: think we'd I think we're going out to Pioneer Chicken.

1156
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: You remember Pioneer Man. That is the best cheap chicken

1157
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: in town. And I gotta jelly. I loved it, man.

1158
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: And so we had gone down to Pioneer Chicken Man

1159
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: and got some chicken, and we're coming back and there

1160
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 1: was there was a steam roller. They were doing some

1161
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 1: work on Fountain is an avenue or Bulevard It is avenue. Yeah,

1162
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: on Fountain Avenue and there was a Buffalo Springfield steam

1163
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,919
Speaker 1: Rollers that was there, and somebody, I don't know who

1164
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: it was, I'm not gonna take credit for it, took

1165
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: one of the ten signs off and um came back

1166
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: to Barry's house in the way I remember it man

1167
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: as we put it up on the Barry Friedman's Uh.

1168
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: He had a little fireplace in his house, put it

1169
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,919
Speaker 1: up on the mantel and said, looks like a name.

1170
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: You know, now we've got a name for the band,

1171
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: Buffalo Springfield and uh. Um. I don't know how long

1172
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: it was that we got introduced to Charlie Green and

1173
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: Brian Stone. Um they were they were managing Sunny and

1174
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,959
Speaker 1: Share at the time. You know, I can't remember how

1175
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: they became involved with us. Uh, Barry must have introduced us.

1176
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: Um I'm an rdigan. Oh gosh, I'm I'm I feel

1177
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: like uh, I feel like I'm really old. Now I'm

1178
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: short circuiting because I can't remember this this exact little

1179
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: part about how who introduced. For some reason, I'm thinking

1180
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: that I'm an Erdigan introduced us to Charlie and Brian.

1181
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: But Charlie and Brian had Sonny and Share. I don't

1182
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: know how there's a there's something going on there. I'll

1183
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: have to go back and read one of my stories

1184
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: when I was younger to see if I remember. Man. Okay,

1185
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: so what does Ahmed say about the band? I'm an erdigan.

1186
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: Loved the band. He was knocked out. I mean, I

1187
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: mean he really, he really loved the band. I don't

1188
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: know if you remember around the time the Buffalo Springfield

1189
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Uh,

1190
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, he got up there and there were almost

1191
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: tears in his eyes that he he was talking about

1192
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: the time when uh, you know, we we broke up. Basically, Um,

1193
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: he was he was, he was a good man, and

1194
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: we really liked domand a lot and Ahmad really uh

1195
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: he supported the band. Unfortunately, you know, we didn't really

1196
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: stay together long enough to uh he he did help

1197
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 1: us though, Uh in in in with for for what

1198
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: it's worth? Uh the song because he's the one that

1199
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: actually heard the song. Yeah, I tell you a little

1200
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 1: story about that. We the first the first album didn't

1201
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: really um, it didn't have the sales that they thought

1202
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: and and my opinion is they released the wrong single. Nowadays,

1203
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: Clancy was too Esoteric to be the first single. I'm

1204
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 1: sorry to say that I love the song, but I

1205
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: think if we would have released do I have to

1206
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: come right out and say it, I think it had

1207
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: more accessibility to people at the time. It was a

1208
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: love song and had a good melody and had a

1209
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: hook to it, you know. But that's that's regardless of that. Uh.

1210
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: We we had all gathered together at Steven's house and uh,

1211
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: he wanted to hear songs if we had songs for

1212
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: the next album, and um, you know, Neil played his

1213
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: songs and Stephen played his songs, and I played my songs,

1214
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: and as everybody's kind of packing up at the end

1215
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: of the day, Uh, the way I remember, Stephen said, well,

1216
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: I've got another one, for what It's Worth, and that

1217
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 1: was it, and Alma said, we gotta record that right now,

1218
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: and so we went back into the We went back

1219
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: into the studio and recorded for what It's Worth and

1220
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: it took one of Stephen's songs, baby Don't Scold Me

1221
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: off of the first album and then re re released

1222
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 1: it again with for what It's Worth on it. But

1223
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: that's how I remember it came about. Okay, so that

1224
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: was about the Sunset Strip riots. You were there, what

1225
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 1: was your sensation of what was going on? Well, I

1226
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: did not see the riots. Steven did, obviously he had

1227
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: right there at the last Uh yeah, las Cienaga, suns

1228
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: up Boulevard Laurel Canyon. There was a little triangle there,

1229
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: there was a there was a club there called Pandora's Box,

1230
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: and um, the police had decided a gathering like that

1231
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: was a little bit more than what they really wanted,

1232
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: and so they were trying to shut the place down,

1233
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: clear out all the traffic. And that's what Stephen was.

1234
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:36,919
Speaker 1: He there's something happening here. What it is ain't exactly clear.

1235
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: There's a man with a gun over there, and telling

1236
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 1: us we'd better be aware. And so, I mean, he

1237
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: it was perfect, you know. I think he wrote the

1238
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: song just like that. But so, yeah, they wanted to

1239
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 1: shut down Pandora's Box, and you know, things were intense

1240
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: at that time. Um. I remember, uh, you know, being

1241
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: at the Whiskey sometimes and and I would avoid I

1242
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: was down at living off of hermosa and and um

1243
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: a fountain at the time, and with with Dickie Davis,

1244
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: and I remember I would avoid Sunset Strip and go

1245
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: down a block, you know, to where you could just

1246
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: down the fountain basically, And I remember that a little

1247
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: convenience store had been broken into, and I got stopped

1248
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: by the cops and I remember distinctly man them asking

1249
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: for my I d or They didn't say i'd either.

1250
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: They said driver's license, and I said, I'm not driving.

1251
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: That was not the That was not the right thing

1252
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: to say, because that was not at that particular time

1253
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: in my life. That was not the right thing to

1254
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: say because I didn't I know what was going on.

1255
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: But they want to check me out. And I said, well,

1256
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm not driving. He said, show me your driver's license

1257
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 1: right now, because I want to see him. And if

1258
01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: you don't show it to me, I'm gonna knock you

1259
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: on your You can you can fill in the blanks.

1260
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: So what did I do. I pulled out my driver's

1261
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: license man and showed him. But yeah, it was so,

1262
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 1: I mean, there was there was some intense things going

1263
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: on in l A at that time. And and um,

1264
01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: obviously you know, with long hair and hippies and and

1265
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: uh kind of like that, you know, we were, we

1266
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: were we could have definitely been tagged at the time,

1267
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, so you cut for what it's worth.

1268
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm it said, that's a hit. Tell us about cutting

1269
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: that track to the degree you remember, it went right

1270
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: over my head. I mean, when I'm gonna heard it,

1271
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: the song went right over my head. I said, that's

1272
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 1: a nice little folks song. Man. I was into Bluebird

1273
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: and rock and roll woman and Mr Soul and I was.

1274
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: I was into the rock and roll at the time,

1275
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 1: and here we got this little bing bing you know,

1276
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: something happened. You know. To me, it was a nice

1277
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: little folks song. But I was wanting to play for

1278
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: rock and roll, so it basically went over my head.

1279
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: But Ahmad knew, he knew that there was a hook

1280
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: in there that uh that that had something, you know,

1281
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: something that he could latch onto. Okay, so what was

1282
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: it like when they had to begin a huge smash.

1283
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 1: There were nine people in and out of Buffalo Springfield

1284
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:07,640
Speaker 1: in two years, so you can figure out what was

1285
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: going on. Even though there was a hit going on.

1286
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: Neil I I don't think Neil ever really settled into

1287
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: wanting to be in the band, I really don't. I

1288
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: think he always wanted to be a solo guy. And

1289
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: that's fine. You know, I don't have any problem with that.

1290
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: I love Neil to this day, you know, I don't

1291
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: have a problem with it, and and all. But he

1292
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: was he was off. He he had been off and

1293
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: starting to do his own thing. Nick Bruce had been

1294
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: busted a couple of times and had been deported. So

1295
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: we were having trouble. And here we got this hit record,

1296
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: and I think we went back to Boston, you know,

1297
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: and and we were gonna go to New York and

1298
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:46,280
Speaker 1: be on the Johnny Carson Show. And Neil never showed

1299
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: up at the UH at the airport, you know, so

1300
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: we went back and that was the only time that

1301
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,600
Speaker 1: I can ever remember we got fired from a gig

1302
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: in Boston where we played one night with four of

1303
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: us and they said, you guys don't need to come

1304
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 1: back tomorrow. Not so um. It was tough. I mean,

1305
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: it was hard because we did we had a hit record.

1306
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 1: We had, I mean, who you couldn't ask for anything

1307
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 1: more at that time, and you we had a hit record.

1308
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: We were on our way, and there was so much

1309
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: craziness going on, you know, because we just couldn't juggle

1310
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: the band. It was like one step forward and two

1311
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: steps back. So it was. It was a struggle. So

1312
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 1: how did it ultimately break up? I remember appearances without

1313
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: you know young one night I saw you, you know,

1314
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: how did everybody say this is the end for me?

1315
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: As long as Stephen was in the band? I had

1316
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 1: in my heart, I said, I'm gonna be in the band.

1317
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: We were friends from New York. I was gonna be

1318
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: with him. But when Stephen decided, you know, hey, enough

1319
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: is enough, you know, And it never got down to

1320
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: enough is enough. I mean he never said that, but basically,

1321
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, he he was off and and started to

1322
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 1: go off to do some other things, and and and

1323
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 1: we just knew it it was over. Um, we were

1324
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: doing beach Boy tours and I mean we were really

1325
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: living the life. It was fun at that time. There

1326
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff that was going on. But again,

1327
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: we just couldn't keep up with with the with the traction.

1328
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: Jimmy Messina was now playing bass with us at the time,

1329
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 1: and we just couldn't We couldn't keep up with the

1330
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 1: uh with with all the changes, and finally, you know, Stephen,

1331
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: we just knew it was over. And so when it

1332
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: was over, Jimmy and I had become friends and we

1333
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: had basically said, if ever this falls apart, you know,

1334
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: why don't we just go ahead and pick it up

1335
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: and pick up the pieces? Okay, when Steven left, did

1336
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: you have any idea he was gonna cook up with

1337
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 1: Crosby and Mash. I didn't know at that particular time

1338
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 1: he was doing the Mike Bloomfield Umson Uh, the super sessions, right,

1339
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 1: and so I didn't know it at that time. No,

1340
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 1: So tell me about the formation of Poco. Well, Uh,

1341
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: Jimmy and I had decided that we were gonna con

1342
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: canue on. At this time, Amma had come to him

1343
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: and asked him to ask Jimmy because Jimmy was an

1344
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: engine and Jimmy's a He's brilliant. I mean he really is.

1345
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: He's not only a fantastic uh and and uh stylized

1346
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 1: guitar player, but he really understands, you know, the technical

1347
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 1: aspects of recording. And Ama already gonna come to him

1348
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,799
Speaker 1: and asked him if he would finish uh last time around.

1349
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 1: And that's when everybody was just coming with bits and

1350
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: pieces of songs or not bits and pieces. But here's

1351
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 1: the song for you, here's the song for you. Put

1352
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 1: him together. I think the only song, I I think

1353
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: the only song that the that the full band was

1354
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: on at that time was on the Way Home. I

1355
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:41,800
Speaker 1: think I don't I can't remember for sure, but um

1356
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: so we've we finished that album, but we wanted to

1357
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 1: put a steel guitar on a song of mine called

1358
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: kind Woman and a road manager of ours at the time,

1359
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: because Jimmy and I didn't have a clue who do

1360
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: I mean, we had names that we could have called.

1361
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,439
Speaker 1: But a guy named Miles tom m us Uh came

1362
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: and he said, look, I know the best deal guitar player.

1363
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: Where his young guy back in Denver, Colorado, and and

1364
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: he would be great on this song sight Unseen. We

1365
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 1: got ahold of him, told him to come out. You know,

1366
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: we got him out to We didn't tell him were

1367
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: you pay to get We paid his way out to

1368
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 1: Colorado and um and and uh he came out Rusty

1369
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: played on the song. I think when he played on

1370
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: the song, Jimmy and I kind of looked at each

1371
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 1: other and said, there's our guy, you know. And so

1372
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 1: when he got through with kind Woman, Uh, we started

1373
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: talking to him about joining the band. And we didn't

1374
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: have a drummer. We didn't have a bass player. So

1375
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: he said, I know a drummer. I mean, I've been

1376
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: playing with this guy back in Colorado and he's a

1377
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: great drummer, and he's also a really good high he

1378
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: sings high harmonies. George grant them and so we got

1379
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: George out to Colorado and George joined the band. So

1380
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 1: once again here we are with four people, but this

1381
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 1: time we got the drummer. We don't have the bass player.

1382
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 1: And so Myles Thomas, I think again, was instrumental in

1383
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:14,479
Speaker 1: recommending Randy Meisner and um, Timothy B. Schmidt both. Timmy

1384
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: was in a band named Glad at the time, and

1385
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think Randy was in a group called

1386
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:23,839
Speaker 1: the Poor and um we we auditioned Randy and Timothy

1387
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 1: at the same time. I'm not at the same time,

1388
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 1: but on the same day from what I remember, and

1389
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: um it was kind of cool. Um uh you know

1390
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: when when Randy, uh we we settled on Randy and

1391
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: I got a letter though from Timothy, which was I

1392
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 1: just found it in a box of stuff, maybe about

1393
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: five or six years ago, and Timothy had written he said, man,

1394
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 1: I really thank you for the time. I mean, you know,

1395
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: Timothy and he's just the sweetest guy in the world. Matthy.

1396
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: You can see this letter, and it's really I just

1397
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: thank you so much for letting me have the privilege

1398
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 1: of of of auditioning for you, and I know you'll

1399
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: may the right choice. And I just want you to

1400
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: tell you how honored I was to be able to

1401
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: have this opportunity and all and and then Randy of

1402
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: course got got the gig. But I framed that little

1403
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 1: letter and sent it off to Timothy because I thought

1404
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: he needed he it should be in his possession more

1405
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 1: than mine. But then he turned out to be in

1406
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: the band. A little bit later on when Randy, you know, decided,

1407
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, for reasons, you know, there's different reasons that

1408
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: that he had for not uh um, you know, stick

1409
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: stick with the band. But that's how basically the band

1410
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: with George and Rusty and Jimmy and myself and Randy

1411
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 1: got together. How do you end up on Epic? Well,

1412
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: that was the first base and only baseball trade of

1413
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: the music business, because Crosby, Stills and Nash was getting together,

1414
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: Graham was on Epic, I was on Atlantic. Ahmad were

1415
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: wanted Crosby, Stills and Nash and uh so um. In

1416
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: order for you know, us to end up on on Epic, uh,

1417
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, Live Davis had to be willing to give

1418
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: up and go for Graham Nake. Now, don't don't make

1419
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 1: me get into this. Who got the best deal? You

1420
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: know because as as a as success went, you know,

1421
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 1: but that's basically what happened. It was a swap. You know.

1422
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: There wasn't really much to it except to swap. Graham

1423
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,679
Speaker 1: went over to Atlantic and I went over to the Epic.

1424
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: I have to ask, do you believe if you'd been

1425
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: on Atlantic it would have played out differently? I don't know.

1426
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: I can't tell you. Okay, So this is very much

1427
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: your band. The record comes out, has phenomenal reviews, phenomenal reviews,

1428
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:39,920
Speaker 1: and it sells. It's an album era, but there's not

1429
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 1: a hit, right And of course at the same time,

1430
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: Crossby Stills in Nash blow up. What's going through your head?

1431
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 1: You know? There was there was disappoint where with our band,

1432
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: obviously because there was still the struggle with Randy who

1433
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: even when it came you know, before the record came out,

1434
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: he had decided to leave and I thought, oh man,

1435
01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: we're not gonna do what happened to the band, to

1436
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: the off of Springfield or the Birds and all this

1437
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: here we here, we got it happening. So, you know, Bob, honestly,

1438
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: you know, I can't really say that, uh that there

1439
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,560
Speaker 1: was any I mean I was happy for Stephen and

1440
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: Graham and David at the time. I really was. I mean,

1441
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: I didn't think that we were in a competition. You know.

1442
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 1: All I knew was what I was doing, and I

1443
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: was focused in on what I was doing at the time.

1444
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 1: I heard the Crosby Stills and Nice record in David's

1445
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,759
Speaker 1: apartment New York, and I thought, Wow, this is terrific.

1446
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 1: I was happy for him, I really was. What was

1447
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: I not happy for my for for Poco? Because yeah,

1448
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 1: we were we were we were we like you said,

1449
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:44,520
Speaker 1: we had wonderful reviews. We had uh you know, audiences.

1450
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: I mean we were playing at the Troubadaur I think

1451
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: at the time, and I mean we're having full houses.

1452
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: It was great. I mean it was great. You know,

1453
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 1: we had everything but the hit record. Okay, Randy leaves

1454
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,040
Speaker 1: and then Jim Leaves. What was going on there? I

1455
01:14:58,080 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: guess Jimmy, you know you're gonna have to talk to

1456
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,600
Speaker 1: jim me about this because to this day, you know,

1457
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: I think he has issues that you know, I'm not

1458
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: even aware of, because he even said when I tried

1459
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 1: to get him to come when I was when I

1460
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 1: was recording uh the new album in the Country, Jimmy's

1461
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 1: moved to Nashville, and I wanted him to come, you know,

1462
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 1: and and there was there were some difficulties. And I'll

1463
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: be honest with you, man, I love Jimmy, I mean,

1464
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 1: I really do. But he he did not even want

1465
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: to come. I invited him to uh to get on

1466
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:31,719
Speaker 1: uh my Heartbeatle Heartbeatle Love record with a Kind Woman

1467
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: and all that. I wanted Jimmy to sing on the

1468
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: song or do a song, and and he's not. I'm

1469
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: too busy, you know. But Kenny's on it. Kenny Loggins

1470
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 1: is on Kind Woman. And also, um, you know, Jimmy's

1471
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: Jimmy's issues were. I think he thinks I was too dominearing.

1472
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: That's what it was. He he thought I was too dominearing,

1473
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: and you know, who knows, maybe I was. I don't know.

1474
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 1: I apologized to him, I did if I was, I

1475
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: apologized to you, I did. I made that apology and

1476
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 1: and all. So when Jimmy left, it was it was

1477
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:06,320
Speaker 1: kind of hurtful, but at the same time, you know,

1478
01:16:06,439 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 1: auditioning and looking for I think at the time that

1479
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: he left, we were looking for something a little more

1480
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: rock and roll than a little cut a little more country.

1481
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: Jimmy was a little more you. Jimmy was a little

1482
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: more James Burton, who was one of the greatest guitar

1483
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: players in the world, you know, I mean, James is

1484
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: absolutely terrific. And Jimmy had that he had that same

1485
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: he had that same uh stratocaster telecaster. You know, he

1486
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: was good. But we wanted something a little more electric,

1487
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 1: and so we set out. I mean, it wasn't like

1488
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know. And and Jimmy

1489
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: was actually very agreeable. Even when we got Paul Cotton,

1490
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: Jimmy said, look, I'll go on the road with you

1491
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:47,479
Speaker 1: and I'll teach Paul all of all of the parts

1492
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: that I played. So, I mean, it was it was

1493
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: all amicable. I think that's the word, right. And and

1494
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: and Timmy, Timothy had already joined the band. After that.

1495
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: That was another trip. After you know, Randy quit, I

1496
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: went up to Sacramento where Timothy was playing with his

1497
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: band and Dickie Davison. I went up and we were

1498
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: in also, jymnasiing up there where where his group Glad

1499
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: was playing, and they all knew why I was there,

1500
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: you know, and asked timmoth Iffy if he was still

1501
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: up for joining the band, and he said yes, so

1502
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: he had come down. So we already had, you know,

1503
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 1: somebody to replace Randy, but we needed someone to replace

1504
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 1: uh Jimmy. And so when we we auditioned, uh, we

1505
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 1: auditioned Paul, who had been in Illinois speed Press passed

1506
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: away a little recently. Okay, so you sold Geron, you know. Ultimately, Crosby,

1507
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 1: Stills and Nash gets young and they implode. But there's

1508
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 1: a million solo albums. Theoretically, Missina is gonna be a producer.

1509
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 1: Suddenly he hooks up with Loggins and they have huge hits.

1510
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 1: What's going through your head? I'm thinking, man, what about me? Literally?

1511
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I'm just as good as these guys.

1512
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: This is my ego speaking. This isn't really I mean,

1513
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: this is just my ego speaking to my heart. You know,

1514
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 1: you're just you're just a good there? What what about me?

1515
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 1: But we couldn't, you know, come up with the hit

1516
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 1: record at the time. We couldn't. We couldn't come up

1517
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: at the hit and so I was. I was frustrated

1518
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 1: at that point in time. I was, because, yeah, they

1519
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 1: had all gone off, Jimmy and Randy and and all

1520
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: of them going off and haven't hit records, and and

1521
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: Steven and Neil and on, and it's like, whoa, I'm

1522
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 1: left behind here. Things work out the way they work out, though,

1523
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 1: you know. I mean I got get over it, you know,

1524
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: I got over it. But at the time, yeah, it

1525
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,639
Speaker 1: was like I can't deny it, you know, I thought, yeah, man,

1526
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 1: what do I mean? To what degree did you feel

1527
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 1: the pressure, whether from the company or yourself to make

1528
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: a hit record? And to what degree did you follow

1529
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: through on that? Well? I think I tried, and I

1530
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: wrote a song called good Feeling to Know, and everybody

1531
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: you know in our little camp thought we had Jack

1532
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: Richardson who we were looking for a producer at the time,

1533
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 1: we were looking for a hit record producer. I actually

1534
01:18:59,320 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: wanted Richie Poddler at the time because he had done

1535
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 1: Three Dog Night and Stepan Wolf and he was all

1536
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: over the radio and m epic wouldn't. They wouldn't go

1537
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:11,520
Speaker 1: for it, And so we started looking for a producer

1538
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: and we all settled on Jack Richardson, who was doing

1539
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 1: the guests who at the time, and um, everybody thought,

1540
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 1: Good Feeling to Know is the record, And we made

1541
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 1: the record. And here we are, man, we're back in

1542
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: New York playing every s U N why there is

1543
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 1: back there, you know. And on the radio, you know,

1544
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: we're on the way to the gig and I hear

1545
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 1: what We're traveling at a road trying to listen to

1546
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 1: the load, and it's like, ah, my heart just sunk again,

1547
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, because Good Feeling to Know came out around

1548
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: the same time, and it was like, oh my gosh,

1549
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 1: really and there was another dud. So how did you

1550
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: end up leaving Poco? Had you already gotten the offer

1551
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: to join Southern Hillman or had you decided to quit?

1552
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,480
Speaker 1: How did that all go down? Well? I was frustrated,

1553
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. And so at one point

1554
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 1: in time, you know, I got a to David and

1555
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,800
Speaker 1: and and I, you know, we were we had recorded

1556
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: a Good Feeling to Know and the whole album. We're

1557
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:08,400
Speaker 1: probably doing some work. But all this time it was

1558
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 1: going through my mind. You know, it's it's never gonna happen.

1559
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 1: For Poco, It's never gonna happen. And so I called

1560
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: David and I had that conversation with him and said, well, listen,

1561
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: you know, Chris Hillman is looking for something to do.

1562
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,360
Speaker 1: J D. South is looking for something to do. I mean,

1563
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 1: he's writing all these songs for the for the Eagles

1564
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 1: and all, and he you know, why why don't we

1565
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 1: just put together another Crosby Stills in Nash And I thought, really,

1566
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: that's all there is to it. You know, I've been

1567
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,120
Speaker 1: at this for six seven years and I can't get

1568
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,160
Speaker 1: a I can't get and all I have to do

1569
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: is join up and we'll put together another Crosby Skills

1570
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 1: in Nation. You know, Bob all the all the time

1571
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 1: in the background. I think there's an awful lot of

1572
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: business that's going on, you know that. You know, I'm

1573
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: just doing music. I'm not involved in that, and I

1574
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,960
Speaker 1: think that was a part of it. But so, you know,

1575
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 1: David convinced me that if I got together with the

1576
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: UM with J D and and Chris, you know, that

1577
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: we would we would start having to hit records and

1578
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: have the success that they had, and so, you know,

1579
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: I stuck around long enough for Crazy Eyes and UM

1580
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: and that album. And then you know, David actually came

1581
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: down and called the guys off into the back room

1582
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 1: and he told him I was leaving. I tell him.

1583
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 1: I didn't even tell him I was leaving. Man, it

1584
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: was I think it was a sore spot for a

1585
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 1: long long time, you know, but uh um, you know.

1586
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 1: And and so then joined up and with Chris and

1587
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 1: j D and we started working out. But you know,

1588
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: there was never the family feeling for like I did

1589
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: with Poke. There there was even with all the stuff

1590
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: that went on with Poco, there was a family feeling.

1591
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: I can't explain it, you know, it was it was

1592
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: really more of a family with with with Chris and

1593
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 1: j D, who I loved this day. I mean, Chris

1594
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 1: and I worked together. J D came by the studio

1595
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 1: when I did in the country, and it was like,

1596
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, man, it was so good to see him.

1597
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: It was I mean, he was a ferent guy. I

1598
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: don't know what it was, but he was just a

1599
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 1: different guy. Man. And not that j D was difficult,

1600
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 1: but he was a young he was a young guy

1601
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 1: on his way man when we were putting this thing together.

1602
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: But he he had just he had just changed, you know,

1603
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and we did this record.

1604
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:26,799
Speaker 1: It was so good to see him. It was just wonderful. Anyway. Okay,

1605
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 1: so Southern Helman Furay is not organic. Geffen tells Poco

1606
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,679
Speaker 1: you're leaving. How does he introduce you to the other

1607
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: guys and not even start? Well, I knew Chris and

1608
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 1: and I knew Actually I can't say I knew j D.

1609
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 1: But I knew of j D with Glenn because of

1610
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 1: Long Branch Penny was when Glenn used to come over

1611
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 1: to my house and somebody told me that j that

1612
01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: j D came over to when I was rehearsing Poco

1613
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 1: at hundred Laurel Canyon Boulevard, you know, and and uh

1614
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 1: and but uh so I think I I think David.

1615
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: David had the he had the he knew us all,

1616
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: so he brought us all together. I I don't know.

1617
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew Chris and uh and all, but

1618
01:23:14,120 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: I don't I can't say that I knew j D

1619
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: at the time. So it was David. Okay, so you're

1620
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 1: sit in a room and what do you say, Hi, guys,

1621
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna be another crossby Steals and I don't I

1622
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 1: don't remember. All I know is that at that point

1623
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: in time, we knew we were going to be a band,

1624
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: and we needed to start to find a band, get

1625
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: some songs together. I think we probably started playing, you know,

1626
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: different songs. Um. I had a song called Believe Me

1627
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: and a song called for falling in Love and uh

1628
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: fly to the Dove I think on on that particular record,

1629
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 1: and and I can't remember all the other songs the

1630
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 1: other guys on the record, but you know, we started

1631
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 1: putting them together. We started putting a band together. Chris

1632
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 1: brought in uh j D. Chris brought in UH Paul

1633
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 1: Harris on keyboard. And actually when he brought in Al Perkins,

1634
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:08,679
Speaker 1: I said, no, I don't want this guy. I don't

1635
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 1: want Al because you know why because Al Al had

1636
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: a fish sticker on his guitar that said Jesus Lord.

1637
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 1: And I said, huh, that guy is gonna stop us

1638
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,640
Speaker 1: from becoming rock and roll stars. I Al could have

1639
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 1: been anything. He could have been a womanizer, a drunk,

1640
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: a drug addict, he could have been a but he

1641
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 1: was a Christian, and I didn't want him in my band,

1642
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: but Chris went out and he joined the band, and

1643
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:35,920
Speaker 1: then we got Jimmy Gordon. And I don't know how

1644
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: we got Jimmy Gordon, but jim I tell you, I

1645
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 1: never met a guy that was I mean he okay,

1646
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: everybody know he was Jack on Hide. I mean when

1647
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: when when Jimmy was straight man, he was like just

1648
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 1: the sweetest, loving, big teddy bear that you would ever

1649
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 1: want to meet. And when he was not, he was not,

1650
01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 1: he was like just it was Jack on Hide and

1651
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: I just my heart goes out. My heart goes out

1652
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: for him today because it's not you know, obviously not good,

1653
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 1: but boy to play with him and uh to have him,

1654
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: uh you know, I mean it was. It was one

1655
01:25:13,080 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: of one of the best rock and roll drummers ever

1656
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: I can remember. I mean, he had three sets of

1657
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: drums going around town when he was working with us,

1658
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:26,000
Speaker 1: putting our our songs together. And we would go to

1659
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: town sometimes playing and we would go out after after

1660
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: after a show to a little funky, you know, place

1661
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: to eat or something. Somebody playing the jukebox and there

1662
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 1: was a song Jim played on you know, I mean

1663
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:41,080
Speaker 1: it was he It was just like he was. He

1664
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 1: was on everything you heard at the time. Man, what

1665
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: a drummer, what a what a rock and roll drummer,

1666
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: And what a musician to playing the end of of

1667
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 1: such things as Layla on the piano. I mean, what

1668
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,680
Speaker 1: a guy, man. But what a tragic story, Bob, what

1669
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 1: a tragic story. It most certainly is. Was this an

1670
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 1: album recorded as a group or was it more like

1671
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:06,680
Speaker 1: the songs were recorded individually and then assembled at the end. No,

1672
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 1: we recorded as a group, and Richie Podler was definitely

1673
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: the right guy at the right time. Man. He and

1674
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:16,440
Speaker 1: Bill Cooper, man, they were terrific and I think everybody

1675
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 1: loved working with. In fact, is Richie who was an

1676
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 1: accomplished um um not a Flamenco but yeah, maybe Flamenco guitar.

1677
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: You was a guitar player, a really accomplished guitar player.

1678
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,400
Speaker 1: We could not come up for an intro to Falling

1679
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: in Love, and he brought a you know, the little

1680
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:39,439
Speaker 1: talk back and his hey, guys canact him out there

1681
01:26:39,439 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 1: and just give you a guy, let me try something

1682
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 1: to see if you like it or not. But it

1683
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: was a whole band effort that we were doing. But

1684
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 1: Richie sat out there there, I turn air turned there

1685
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:51,640
Speaker 1: and there it was. Man, we had the intro to

1686
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 1: the song. Man, Okay, was it your decision to have Richie?

1687
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: I definitely think it was because I wanted Richie to

1688
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: produce Poco well years earlier, and I knew that he was.

1689
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:06,240
Speaker 1: He knew how to make hit records. Man, nobody made,

1690
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,679
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody made records like he and Bill made.

1691
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 1: I mean they would take at that time at the

1692
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: board and you you could have a word that had

1693
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 1: three syllables in the word, and they would take it

1694
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 1: from three different tracks, I mean, and put a word

1695
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 1: together and you wouldn't even know it when you listen back.

1696
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 1: They were great. I loved him. I bought that album.

1697
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 1: I love that album, played it incessantly. The album went gold.

1698
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: So what was going on on the other side of

1699
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: the fence. I was having issues at that time. My

1700
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 1: wife was deciding. That was at the time that she

1701
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 1: was deciding we're done. So I was that's you know,

1702
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:45,679
Speaker 1: everybody thinks that Chris and j D and I didn't

1703
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: get along. You know, it wasn't at all. It was

1704
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:51,400
Speaker 1: I was having personal issues that I had to deal

1705
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: with in my own life that had nothing to do

1706
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 1: with Chris or j D. You know, that was when

1707
01:27:56,360 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 1: family stuff started to really happen in my life. Okay,

1708
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 1: the second album, it's almost like it didn't even come out.

1709
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 1: You said earlier you were kind of checked out. What

1710
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 1: can you tell us if anything about the second album? Well,

1711
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, not a whole lot. It was recorded like

1712
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 1: three miles from my home and I wasn't even able

1713
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 1: to live there. My wife and I were separated. Um,

1714
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 1: we had our band up there. I'm trying to think

1715
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 1: who was drumming for us at the time, because Paul

1716
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 1: was up there hours up there. It says, you know,

1717
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:32,880
Speaker 1: I just looked it up Ron Grinnelle. Well, I'm not

1718
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:36,639
Speaker 1: familiar with Ron. You're now thank you boy. You're quick man,

1719
01:28:36,760 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: you got that damn um. But you know, for for me,

1720
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 1: I was really distant. Man, I just don't. I don't

1721
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 1: remember a lot about that record. I even felt like

1722
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 1: the the two songs that I offered were not really

1723
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 1: completed songs. Um. It was a very very very dark

1724
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 1: time in my life, man. I mean my I you know,

1725
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,600
Speaker 1: it was just a dark time. I was like devastated

1726
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 1: that you know, Nancy and I were not you know

1727
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: C and I I and we were going to break

1728
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 1: up and head for divorce and it was it was

1729
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 1: it was hard, man, it was really hard. So how

1730
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 1: did Southern Hill in Fury ultimately literally died? Well, I

1731
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 1: think it was at the end of that record. You know,

1732
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: I didn't go on tour, and uh, basically it was over.

1733
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I just told him I can't

1734
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 1: do it. And that's when, you know, I mean, I

1735
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: put the focus on family and all of it, trying

1736
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 1: to get my wife back together, and you know, we

1737
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 1: we were separated. I you know, again, it was at

1738
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: that time. I remember um uh you know, being uh

1739
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 1: lost in l A at the time, you know, living

1740
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:50,360
Speaker 1: with uh, living with people down in Coasta, Mesa, John

1741
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: Mayler and Tom Stipe and and uh and up with

1742
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 1: Al Perkins. It was during that whole time, that whole

1743
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:01,240
Speaker 1: transition was just really taken taking part. And I had

1744
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 1: no interest in I had no interest in a band

1745
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 1: at all. Okay, how did you meet your wife at

1746
01:30:07,720 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 1: the whiskey to go go? We're in your tenure? What

1747
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 1: were you doing when you were at the whiskey? Well,

1748
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 1: we were playing no, I mean, was it Buffalo Springfield?

1749
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: What was it. No, it was Buffalo Springfield and a

1750
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: friend of um uh, well, her boyfriend. Uh he was

1751
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 1: actually in a band I think called Leaves the Leaves.

1752
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 1: His name was Bill Reinhardt, and he said, you gotta

1753
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:34,240
Speaker 1: hear this band at the Whiskey. They're a great band.

1754
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 1: And so she came down. Listen if you know anything

1755
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 1: about my wife today. Even then, I looked back on

1756
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 1: it and I think, oh my gosh, man, this is

1757
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 1: so the Whiskey A go go is so. I mean,

1758
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 1: that scene was so out of character for Nancy. How

1759
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,640
Speaker 1: she ever met Bill, I I don't even know. But anyway,

1760
01:30:52,840 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 1: she would stand right at the foot of the stage

1761
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 1: and I can remember singing sit down and I think

1762
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,639
Speaker 1: love you, you know to her, you know. And another

1763
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 1: friend of mine and who was actually Val Gray's pardner today.

1764
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: His name's Michael Miller. Um uh. Michael was was a

1765
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: friend of mine and a friend of the groups, and

1766
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: he was really instrumental in helping you know, me get

1767
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 1: to know or introduced it, introduced me to Nancy. And uh,

1768
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:26,479
Speaker 1: I remember when I finally got it together. You know

1769
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:29,599
Speaker 1: that that I'm that I'll see you tomorrow night, you know,

1770
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,640
Speaker 1: she said, no, I'm on my way to Hawaii with

1771
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 1: my friend and was like, oh, no, you know. But

1772
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: when she got over there and she she found out

1773
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 1: you know that, um, because Dickie was actually dating the

1774
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 1: friend that she went to uh to Hawaii with. And

1775
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:46,760
Speaker 1: when when she found out that I actually wanted to

1776
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 1: start dating her, she actually left and came back, um,

1777
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:54,680
Speaker 1: back to California and uh and we started dating. How

1778
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: many times did you come to the whiskey? I don't know,

1779
01:31:57,000 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 1: it's more than once. It wasn't a one time deal. No,

1780
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: you would come and and then she she would come

1781
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 1: back because I would remember she had a friend and

1782
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 1: her name was Nancy too, and they both stood right

1783
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,360
Speaker 1: at the front of the of the stage, you know,

1784
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 1: and it's like I wore glasses, you know, and I

1785
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 1: have my glasses on. I look around which one, you know,

1786
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: and I decided, you know, I like this one better.

1787
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 1: And I was right. So how did you get rid

1788
01:32:20,160 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 1: of the old boyfriend? They broke up. I don't know

1789
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 1: how they broke up, but they broke up. And so

1790
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,879
Speaker 1: once you started dating, it was pretty much clear sailing

1791
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 1: onto marriage from there. Well, you know that there was

1792
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 1: there was moments, I know, Buffalo Springfield was working at

1793
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 1: the time, and um, you know, we were actually doing

1794
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 1: some some of those gigs where there's three or four

1795
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: bands on a on a on a show, and The

1796
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:47,000
Speaker 1: Turtles was on one show that we did at Redondo Beach,

1797
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:49,839
Speaker 1: and I had I didn't have a place to stay anymore.

1798
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 1: And I remember Mark Vollman, you know, he said, hey,

1799
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 1: come on man, Stad was right around Happy Together time.

1800
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,479
Speaker 1: He said, come on my house. Man, no problem, man,

1801
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 1: you can got a room. But done a done this

1802
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,640
Speaker 1: and the other, and so did Dad and Nancy and

1803
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 1: I actually stayed up there for a while and and

1804
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 1: I thought, man, I had lost her at one point

1805
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 1: in time because she and her she had a roommate

1806
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 1: that they lived right around the corner at a little

1807
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 1: school right on Lookout. And I remember they lived in

1808
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 1: a little apartment. Man, I hope I'm not wandering too much. Man,

1809
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: know this is great, Keep going, keep going. Okay, Well,

1810
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 1: they had a little apartment, and I know that her roommate,

1811
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 1: they both had. Nancy had a red Volkswagen and her

1812
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 1: and her her her roommate had a green Volkswagen. And

1813
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 1: I decided, you know, I'm gonna put some flowers on

1814
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: my on my girl's car, you know. And little did

1815
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:47,320
Speaker 1: I know that her roommate had literally broken up with

1816
01:33:47,360 --> 01:33:50,479
Speaker 1: her boyfriend at the time. So I sneak over early

1817
01:33:50,520 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 1: in the morning, and I'm color blind or basically color weak,

1818
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 1: and so guess what I put the I put the

1819
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,799
Speaker 1: flowers on the wrong color car. Man, and I found

1820
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: him laying in the in the in the in the

1821
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 1: road man run over and I thought, oh, no, man,

1822
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 1: I have lost my I've lost my opportunity with my girl,

1823
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 1: you know. And so that was a nightmare. I don't know, man,

1824
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: it was crazy. But anyway, we got back together, Nancy

1825
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 1: and I we started we started dating for real, and

1826
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 1: I think we only knew each other maybe, I don't know,

1827
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 1: six months before we actually said I do. And we

1828
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 1: said I do and and um, it was really close

1829
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 1: to a night we were doing some television show I

1830
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 1: can't remember. I don't think it was Smothers Brothers, but

1831
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: it was. It was one of the shows that Buffalo

1832
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 1: Springfield did. I can't remember which one, but m yeah,

1833
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 1: I mean, we we got married and the next night, man,

1834
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:46,439
Speaker 1: I do a television show and it was like, I mean,

1835
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:49,200
Speaker 1: it was like NonStop from there, you know. And what

1836
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: was Nancy doing for work when you met her? She

1837
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,679
Speaker 1: worked a little club on not a club, a little

1838
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:59,080
Speaker 1: address shop on La Sienega Lasi Angego Boulevard called a

1839
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 1: hole in the wall. And she was she was working

1840
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: at that, at that club down that, that little dress

1841
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 1: shop down there. And how did you end up living

1842
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 1: in Colorado? Well, it was during the Poco days, and

1843
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 1: it was that time, and think things were nuts. She

1844
01:35:16,960 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 1: read something in the paper one time that a child

1845
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 1: born in l A at the time would develop emphysema

1846
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: by the time she was two years old, you know.

1847
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: And so we decided that it was time to make

1848
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:36,560
Speaker 1: the move. And Rusty and and and George were from Colorado.

1849
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 1: But interestingly enough, we also were looking at and don't

1850
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 1: ask me how this happened, we were looking at San Francisco.

1851
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:47,200
Speaker 1: That was like going from the from the fire, from

1852
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 1: the frying pan into the fire. I can remember going

1853
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 1: up and telling George, now, George, we're gonna move to Colorado.

1854
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 1: He's on a ladder painting, and I think he dropped

1855
01:35:55,400 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 1: his paint brush. At the time, he had already rented

1856
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:00,960
Speaker 1: a place up there, you know. But so that's how

1857
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:04,759
Speaker 1: we we ended up in Colorado though we uh just decided,

1858
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,080
Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna make the move to Colorado. Nancy

1859
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 1: and I came back here and found a place. You know,

1860
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 1: Rusty was able to find a place, Paul and Timothy

1861
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: found a place, and George finally found a place. But

1862
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 1: it was because of it was because of that little

1863
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 1: article that Nancy had read that said a child would

1864
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:23,720
Speaker 1: develop emphysema. You know by the time they were like

1865
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 1: two years old, had they had. We stayed in l

1866
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:28,599
Speaker 1: A with all the smog and all that at the time,

1867
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 1: and so we we decided that we're out of here,

1868
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:32,840
Speaker 1: we're moving. We're gonna find another place to go, and

1869
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 1: ended up in Uh, we ended up in Colorado, and

1870
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:38,759
Speaker 1: I'm the only guy that lasted Okay, and you're still

1871
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: alive unlike some of them. Man. Oh yeah, so maybe

1872
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 1: that article was right. But in any event, you have

1873
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 1: this marriage crisis, you sort of remove yourself from the

1874
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: everyday music business. You have this gold record, the first

1875
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:58,240
Speaker 1: Southern Hillman Furay band. But then Timothy B. Schmidt goes

1876
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:01,479
Speaker 1: to the Eagles and Poco Chain just labels and starts

1877
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 1: having hits. But at that time, I was so wrapped

1878
01:37:06,479 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 1: up in what I was doing. I mean, not that

1879
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:10,160
Speaker 1: you know, Timothy going to the Eagles Man that was

1880
01:37:10,200 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 1: that was a that was a fine thing, you know,

1881
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:15,040
Speaker 1: But Poco having hits, and and you know, Rusty never

1882
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:17,639
Speaker 1: failed to mention, you know, we didn't have any hits

1883
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:19,280
Speaker 1: as long as Ritchie was in the band. As as

1884
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 1: he left the band, we start having hits, you know,

1885
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:23,720
Speaker 1: and so he never he never failed to rub it in.

1886
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:29,280
Speaker 1: But uh, I I really believe, Bob, in my heart

1887
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:32,599
Speaker 1: of hearts, we had hits, you know, I really do.

1888
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:34,479
Speaker 1: I believe good feeling, you know, it should have been

1889
01:37:34,479 --> 01:37:36,960
Speaker 1: a should have been a hit. I believe that Paul

1890
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 1: Cotton had some songs, you know that could have been hits.

1891
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 1: I believe that a song called Just for Me and

1892
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:45,599
Speaker 1: You on our second uh uh well, uh the Steve

1893
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:48,640
Speaker 1: Cropper record, I believe that that was a hit, you know,

1894
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 1: Besid mean, I believe we had hits. I just don't

1895
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: think they ever never materialized. But that's the way it

1896
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:57,800
Speaker 1: happens in the business. Looking back from this great distance,

1897
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 1: any regrets, any feeling like you know, you got screwed,

1898
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 1: any issues of legacy, what's your perspective here, almost sixty

1899
01:38:09,439 --> 01:38:12,080
Speaker 1: years off. I wouldn't change the thing. I wouldn't change

1900
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 1: the thing. I've got a I've got a wife of

1901
01:38:13,840 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 1: fifty five years, i got four daughters, I got three

1902
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 1: great son in laws, I got thirteen grandkids. What what more?

1903
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:23,880
Speaker 1: I mean? And I'm still making music at this age. Man,

1904
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,599
Speaker 1: I can't even believe it. You know, the Lord has

1905
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: allow me to make music. And I've got great friends,

1906
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, working with me and and I. The record

1907
01:38:33,240 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 1: that I made with Val is just I mean, I

1908
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 1: love it, man, I was. I can't even believe I

1909
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:41,800
Speaker 1: can still see myself standing the only thing I just

1910
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I was just taking three years

1911
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 1: to get it out because of this COVID COVID deal,

1912
01:38:47,080 --> 01:38:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, and and but I can still my see

1913
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 1: myself standing in that in that vocal booth, looking over

1914
01:38:53,240 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 1: seeing Victor and Drizzio and looking over here and seeing

1915
01:38:56,200 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 1: Glenn Wharf, and seeing Dan Doug Moore, my good friend,

1916
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:02,759
Speaker 1: and Chris losing your and uh and then meeting Tom

1917
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 1: Bucavic and Steve um um oh or give me Steve's name, man,

1918
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:13,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, like uh oh, I can't remember the keyboard. Oh,

1919
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 1: this is terrible. I can't remember. I gotta I gotta

1920
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 1: have Steve's name. Can you find? Can you get the album? Find?

1921
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 1: I gotta find because we were cutting. Um uh is

1922
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 1: it open? Can I can you open it? I'm sorry, Dan, um,

1923
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:28,600
Speaker 1: we we were cutting. I hope you dance and he

1924
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:30,360
Speaker 1: came back and you know I played on the original

1925
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 1: of that. I love it. Man, Oh man, I know

1926
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:37,559
Speaker 1: Steve's name. I go, oh man, I'm terrible. I'm getting old,

1927
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:39,960
Speaker 1: but I can just see it, you know, man, going

1928
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 1: down that wreck. This record is I don't even know.

1929
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 1: The record business has changed so much. I don't know

1930
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 1: what it means. But the record to me is a

1931
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 1: most satisfying record. Um. I mean it's it's really great

1932
01:39:53,560 --> 01:39:58,360
Speaker 1: to find Steve's name, Steve Nathan, Steve Nathan. Yeah. Now,

1933
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:03,400
Speaker 1: the business is riddle with musicians who have no money

1934
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 1: and broke and terrible stories. You have a good story,

1935
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 1: but how you're doing financially and do you ever get

1936
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:12,720
Speaker 1: any royalties? What's going on there? You know? Somehow I'll

1937
01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 1: know that they keep coming in and I'm thankful when

1938
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:17,759
Speaker 1: they do. Not great. I never had a hit record,

1939
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:19,880
Speaker 1: had I had to hit record, you know it'd be

1940
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,920
Speaker 1: would be even bigger. But you know, a little piece

1941
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 1: of for what it's worth has helped me out along

1942
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 1: the way. And you know, Nancy and I were frugal,

1943
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, we don't we don't overspend, but you know what,

1944
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 1: we're able to do what we want to do when

1945
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 1: we want to do it, and things been. It's it's

1946
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 1: been good, you know. I mean, I'm not a I

1947
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 1: don't have three houses and an airplane park someplace and

1948
01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:43,960
Speaker 1: this not in the other. But you know what I got,

1949
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 1: I got all I need. Man, that's fantastic. You've been fantastic, Richie.

1950
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:50,519
Speaker 1: I could listen to tell these stories all day long.

1951
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 1: I think we got the general overview, so I think

1952
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 1: we're gonna draw close to it in this chap All right, man, excellent,

1953
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:01,599
Speaker 1: that's a great storyteller. The personality not even know why

1954
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 1: you have such success. That's Richard Furay. Until next time.

1955
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:15,480
Speaker 1: This is Bob left side,