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Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, Hello everyone. It's me Sam, famed and beloved

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Speaker 1: co host of UM notable podcast Radio Lab that you're

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Speaker 1: currently listening to. I'm here with a little announcement, and

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Speaker 1: that is that I am doing a solo show called

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Speaker 1: Club Comic at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn on February at

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Speaker 1: seven thirty pm. UH. Tickets are available now. This show

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Speaker 1: is beloved by me. I used to do it before

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Speaker 1: the pandemic, and um, it's like club tracks and videos

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Speaker 1: and stand up and yeah, it's upon club Comic, get it.

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Speaker 1: But it's it's always really fun. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: should I bring it back. I'm a different person now

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Speaker 1: that the global pandemic and everything. But then I was like, wait, no,

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Speaker 1: I didn't change it all. I'm actually the exact same person. UM.

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Speaker 1: So I'm bringing it back at to the Bellhouse February seventeen,

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Speaker 1: and I couldn't be more excited. So get tickets. I

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Speaker 1: look forward to seeing your gorgeous but tastefully flawed faces there.

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Speaker 1: UM okay, enjoy the episode by bye okay. Podcast starts now,

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Speaker 1: what's up everyone out there in the world. UM, you

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Speaker 1: are listening to um not one unemployed person, but two

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Speaker 1: unemployed people on a podcast. Spoiler alert. You know, I've

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Speaker 1: actually come up with a new term for what I am,

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Speaker 1: and it's fun employed. I just I just pointed that term.

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Speaker 1: You're so smart and you're already seeing the silver lining

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Speaker 1: of our of your situation. It's crazy because no one is.

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Speaker 1: I sort of came up with a very um sort

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Speaker 1: of like all of a sudden, it came to me

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Speaker 1: and I thought, it's crazy that no one has said

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Speaker 1: this before. And so yes, I have sold it as

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Speaker 1: a book and it's going to be called The Rules

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Speaker 1: of Fun Employment. And yeah, I got a pretty big advance,

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Speaker 1: so things are actually going pretty well. That's amazing. That's

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Speaker 1: just such an important lesson, like anyone listening like, it's

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Speaker 1: just always important to remember that when God closes the door,

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Speaker 1: he opens the window. And that's what my book is called. Um,

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Speaker 1: I just sold that in the advances here, and your

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Speaker 1: book is called When God closed the Door, He Opens

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Speaker 1: the window minus all the Rules of Funemployment. I want

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Speaker 1: to clarify mind doesn't have like a snappy subtitle or

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Speaker 1: anything else. It's just called the Rules of fun Employment,

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Speaker 1: And I guess I want to clarify mine has When

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Speaker 1: God closes the door. He that he is capitalized all

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Speaker 1: caps and to be very religious. People would think people

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Speaker 1: would think that your book was like a sort of

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Speaker 1: book of humorous essays about you know, being unemployed and

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Speaker 1: about being a millennial in Brooklyn. No, it's actually like

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Speaker 1: a very religious, devoutly Catholic book. Yeah, it's pretty much

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Speaker 1: about how your body is like a vessel for Christ

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Speaker 1: and sort of all good that can come from that.

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Speaker 1: But like really hilariously yeah, and you yeah, and you

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Speaker 1: really promote chastity. It's interestingly it's actually very LGBTQ inclusive.

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Speaker 1: But you but anti sex. Well, it's sex negative but

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Speaker 1: across all gender and sexuality spectrum. And you recognize all genders,

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Speaker 1: all sexualities. But you say, now that we've recognized them,

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Speaker 1: put an end to it. I see you, and I

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Speaker 1: don't want to see you any longer. Um, So George,

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Speaker 1: tell us about your big day. Yeah, so we are

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Speaker 1: recording on Wednesday, February one and mere hours ago. I

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Speaker 1: a Slack notification from my boss, Leah, and she said,

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Speaker 1: it's also when Leah found out, you know it's not UM.

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Speaker 1: You know, nothing was being kept from me, from anyone

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's an interesting feeling because you know, none

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Speaker 1: We all know that this that the parent company of

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Speaker 1: And um, I'm glad that this is our most religious

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Speaker 1: Catholic Church, but they have complete editorial freedom. And we've

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Speaker 1: Hello Jake, Jake. How's it going. I Mean, I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: revved up from hearing what happened to George, I have

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Speaker 1: this way, you know, as a media employee or frankly

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Speaker 1: them should rotten. Hell yeah. And those are not my words. Listen,

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Speaker 1: Kathy had been on, she would have known every single

425
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Speaker 1: bus of media group's name and like a story about them.

426
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 1: She would high gossip on everyone. She has actually shared

427
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: gocker new got her links before and I always, I

428
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: don't know, it's always kind of cool in someone someone

429
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: you respect does that. That is cool. Absolutely, So she's thinking,

430
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: I know she's thinking about us today, is what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,

431
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure she'll maybe she'll retweet this. Yeah, she's donating

432
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 1: to the Severance that's huge. I love the des donation

433
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: base to Sam Show Severance or both. Yeah, she's gonna

434
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: make a donation to each of us. Yeah, because I

435
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: gotta get your crowdfunding season to somehow tied to bust

436
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: the digital group. Yeah, Sam's version. Yea version, and you

437
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: know they're going to cancel it after three episodes. Um,

438
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: should we do our first segment? Yeah, that's your first segment?

439
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: Why the hell not? Yeah? Sam? Do you want to? Um? So, Jake.

440
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 1: Our first segment is called straight Shooters, and in it

441
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: we gage your familiarity with and complicity and straight culture

442
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: by asking you a series of rapid fire questions this

443
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: basically this thing or this other thing. The only rule

444
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: is you can't ask any follow up questions. Are you

445
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: ready to play? Yeah? I'm ready, George, We kick us off.

446
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: I would be delighted to the Gerber Baby or Kaya

447
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: Gerber Netbo baby, the Gerber baby, okay, Wesley Snipes or

448
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: machine gun Kelly Wesley Snipes, Jordan's Firstman or Adam the

449
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: first Man, Adam the first Man. Faking your own death

450
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Speaker 1: or making your own math freaking okay, Chicken pocata a

451
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: Swiss charred for tata, Hokuna matata, Jesus is stigmata or

452
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: christin miliarity. Whoa, that's that is a journey. I have

453
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: to make the people upstairs happy and say my smart

454
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: I know that. Um okay, Beach Boys or Cheetah Girls,

455
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: Cheeta Girls. Okay, I can feel it coming in the

456
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: air tonight, or I can feel you coming. No not,

457
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: they're all right. I can feel it you coming. No not,

458
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: they're all right. And did I not tell you I

459
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: thought of those single becks? Great should I've ever thought of?

460
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: I texted sound and I was like, when you hear this,

461
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna fucking gag bitch. Oh I love it. I

462
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: love a nasty little one. Um okay, the teenage mutant

463
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: Ninja Turtles or the twentiesomething Brooklyn Knights of HBO's Girls Turtles. Wow,

464
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: I have to say those were some of our best ones. Yeah,

465
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: we really put in the work today. You don't say

466
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Speaker 1: this because I was not able to write or edit

467
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: all day today. I really put all my creative I

468
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: put my entire and into these um straight shooters. Wow. Um, well, Jake,

469
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: I say ten ten tens across the board. Yeah, one

470
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: thousand and one. Yeah, thank you. An honor to perform period.

471
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: Kelly Pelly was my Let me just say this, there's

472
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: only so much Pelly that can be talked about No. No No, No,

473
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: we were actually like I was thinking, we don't have

474
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: not said it enough since the episode where I was interested.

475
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: I just want to say that, like what George was

476
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: talking about or not George sam was talking about earlier

477
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: about like the Gawker, like being like the Gawker layoff

478
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: and being like I'm seeing this online and I have

479
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: proximity to it, being like your first experience of that,

480
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: like Pelly Gate, and like the Stradio Lab Pelly episode

481
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: and having been at the party where Pelly dropped was

482
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: like one of the most tense experiences in my life.

483
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: I just have to say that. No, they were like

484
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: I was there, I witnessed it, I saw it happen.

485
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: Did it make you feel eras from the narrative, No,

486
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: because I don't feel any sort of because even when

487
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 1: I just want to, I'll say this, I actually had

488
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: to experience a lot of personal growth with growth with Pelly,

489
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: where I was at the party and I was seeing

490
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: it happening, and I was like, this is a beautiful

491
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: moment of art and culture and I'm not a part

492
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: of it, and I don't see myself as a part

493
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: of it. I have noticed, I'll say Pelly here and

494
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 1: there when it feels right. It's not mine and it's

495
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: never going to be mine, and I don't want it

496
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: to be mine. I'm purely an audience to this, and

497
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm honored to be an audience to know what I mean.

498
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: When I saw a Pelly drop, I was like, this

499
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: is so correct. Do you know what I mean? It

500
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: feels very like being there at Studio fifty four, being

501
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: there at Andy Warhols factory, like to be at the

502
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: party where Pelly dropped. Is something you are going to

503
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: tell your grandkids where it's like New York used to

504
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: have grit. Yeah, we'd make up words, we'd make up words,

505
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: we'd eat some lat because wow, what a powerful moment,

506
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: and we'd soak up. I mean, it was huge. So wait,

507
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: I do want to say there's something so specific and

508
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find the right way to phrase this

509
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: about like hearing something or listening something that is about

510
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: an experience you have had. It's almost like when you

511
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 1: went on a TV show something is filmed in your

512
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: neighborhood and you're like, I know that block, I know

513
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: that coffee shop. There's something very um Uncanny Valley is

514
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: not the right word for it, but to see your

515
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: own life mediated through another lens feels very strange thoughts.

516
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: I find it complicated because sometimes I do find myself

517
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: being like, well, one, I think this is the big

518
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: issue with like gay media, is that everyone Sam's gonna

519
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: say the same time, yeah, where everyone's like, well, not,

520
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: that's not me, that's not my experience, and it's like, well,

521
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: I've I've been gay, and that's not how I did it.

522
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: It's kind of like, yeah, well, it's a there's a

523
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: lot of different ways of being gay, I think, is

524
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: what we're finding out, and not one thing is going

525
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: to be the thing. But at the same time you

526
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: are wanting to be like like, it's so close to

527
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: the real thing, like like just tweak it like this

528
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: and that'll be right. But sorry, Jake, what were you

529
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: gonna say? No? I would think there's also like a

530
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: fear response to the realization that your unique existence is

531
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: not as unique as you think and like yes, and

532
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: being like, oh, like if my po V as an

533
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: artist that I'm going to show out to the world

534
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: because of this unique life experience that I have, and

535
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: then when someone else does it. I think that like

536
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: what we say is like, oh, they're not doing a

537
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: good job, Like this isn't right. But the truth of

538
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: the matter is you're freaking out that someone is telling

539
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: the story that you thought yours was yours to tell. Yeah.

540
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: It's also I'm now realizing uncanny valley is actually the

541
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: perfect term for it, because it's almost like it is

542
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: close enough to your It's like representational uncanny valley, like

543
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: it is close enough to your experience, but like one

544
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 1: decimal point away such that seeing it makes you like

545
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: become violent, you know what I mean. Yeah, like it

546
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: has like that the fear response that is triggered. Yes,

547
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: which is why it's almost like the sort of narcissism

548
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: of small differences. It's like I remember when HP was crashing,

549
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: which was about stand up comedy came out. I was like, no, no,

550
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: take it away, no no, But it's like, yeah, it's

551
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: because it was close enough to the experience of, you know,

552
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: being a stand up comedian that I was like, it

553
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: feels dirty to see this. Yeah, I guess I wasn't

554
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: the only reason. But okay, wait, this is an interesting

555
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been seeing like whispers of reassessing

556
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: looking looking and is how do you feel about that. Well,

557
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: I just want to say one thing, you know, not

558
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: to make about me, but I was living in San

559
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 1: Francisco when Looking came out. Wow, wow, and I just

560
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: let that I'll actually just let that sit with both

561
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: of you before you continue. So that must have been

562
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: really hard for you. It was, Well, I was living

563
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. However, I was right out of college.

564
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: I think I was two years out of college. I

565
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: was like twenty. So it was almost like the representational

566
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: politics of it. Aside, I didn't have access to the

567
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: kinds of like community parties, you know, even just like

568
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: totally sex sexually. I wasn't as liberated yet, you know,

569
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: like I it felt like, oh is this all happening

570
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: without me? And I'm sort of like an underemployed twenty

571
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: two year old like living with literally seven roommates at

572
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: the time. Wow, that's a lot of roommates. Yeah, you

573
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: gotta you do what you gotta know. Yeah, I think

574
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: part of it is also, like you're When Looking came out,

575
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: it was like very much like alright, gays, here's the

576
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: HBO show like that. There was an energy of that

577
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: that it's like which like and so then everyone was

578
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: like mapping it onto is. I think we thought at

579
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: the time like this is defining what the monoculture of

580
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: gainess in America is going to be. Is like what's

581
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: shown I'm Looking, which is just like a psycho internet

582
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: brain two thousand whatever what year was. At thirteen people

583
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: kind of came out like thing where It's like, now,

584
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: if Looking came out, it would just be like another show,

585
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean that makes sense. I mean,

586
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: you have to hope it will be on the show.

587
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: I do. Also, this is like I in no way

588
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: want to venture into this in earnest with anyone listening

589
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: to this, do not at me as they say, And

590
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: remember I just got fired, so I am very vulnerable.

591
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: But I will say the sort of narrative that Looking

592
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: is like a show about like rich Gaze or something,

593
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: is just quite literally not true. Like the like just

594
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a show that had like storylines

595
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: about like you know, there were people are different income levels,

596
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: there was body diversity, there was like story there were

597
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: actually like interesting storylines about HIV and and things like.

598
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't it wasn't the gay version of Girls where

599
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: it was like four guys who went to you know

600
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: Emerson and then moved to San Francisco, right, Not that

601
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with going to Emerson. No, if you

602
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: went to Emerson, we see you, we hear you, and

603
00:33:55,480 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: we support you. Um I yeah, that the back clash

604
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: of that was confusing. I like, honestly, it was so

605
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: strong that I'm like, I don't even know if I

606
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: was viewing it, Like I couldn't see it without being like, okay,

607
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: well as a bad show. Is there anything totally that's

608
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: actually it? Sam, because I actually remember stopping watching the show,

609
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: like I didn't finish it because I think you just

610
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: couldn't watch it. You had to like analyze it, if

611
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: that makes sense, Like you were constantly assessing, like what's

612
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: the take? Do I like this? Do I not like

613
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: this is as bad? Is this good? Like in this

614
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: way that just like you couldn't consume it as a show.

615
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I'm sort of like, has that gotten better

616
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: or worse? Well, I guess the raw material has gotten

617
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: worse and that TV is terrible now, but then has

618
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: has arguing around it. I guess it's like just a

619
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: different version of the same ship. I don't know, Well,

620
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: like my dumb has their ben As shows. Since looking

621
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: that's just like about guys. I don't even mean gay

622
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: things specifically. I mean, well there has I mean there

623
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: was like the queerest Folk reboot. There was like all right, um,

624
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: you know there's been like I mean, Transparent is a

625
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 1: show about queer characters. I count bros in the in

626
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: the discourse of this, I mean, I guess. I mean,

627
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: ultimately the solution is just to not participate in it

628
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: and just go and watch a movie and watch a

629
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: TV show. Sure, yeah, Ultimately, if the choice is always

630
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: going to be in the not engaging discourse for me,

631
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 1: that's going to be the better choice more often than Yeah.

632
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,479
Speaker 1: And in that spirit, let's move onward topic. Let's start

633
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: our discourse. Um, Jake, tell us what you brought to

634
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Speaker 1: us today. So the topic of straight culture I wanted

635
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: to discuss today is fast casual dining. Which when you

636
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: said that, I had such a strong reaction. I was

637
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: so excited. What about it feels straight to you? I

638
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: was so just to like paint the picture of sort

639
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 1: of how we got here. I was standing in line

640
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: at a Sweet Green when I got the email you

641
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 1: book Stradio Lab, and I sort of thought, I sort

642
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: of thought, oh ship, what's my topic going to be,

643
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: and then sort of immediately was like it's this, like

644
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: it is this, Like I'm like because it's like you

645
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: look at where you you're at in terms of a

646
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: fashion casual dining place in like the thick of Manhattan,

647
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: and it's sort of like it is dining and food

648
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: robbed of all culturing community with then false like replacements

649
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: of those injected back in. Do you know what I meant?

650
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: I mean they're soulless places. They certainly are. They're like

651
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: inherently tied to like suburbs, and they're inherently tied to

652
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: corporate jobs and like taking your little lunch break and

653
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: like being above cheap but below real restaurant. I also

654
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: do just have to say, for context, I love them,

655
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: Like that's this isn't me hating, I love them. What

656
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: would you say, Well, God, it's so what you said

657
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: about the fact that like the joy is taken out

658
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: and then artificially put back in is exactly what is

659
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: wrong with them. It's like I think, like it's like

660
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: you come to like if you go to someone's house

661
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: or dinner, if you go to a restaurant, like there

662
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: is like a group quality to it. Even if you

663
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: go even if you go to a restaurant alone, you

664
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: are like there's an interaction between you and like your server,

665
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: and even in theory like the chef and the somalia

666
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: and the the person who designed the cocktail list, like

667
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: there's some sort of and there's like the dining together,

668
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: like we're all in this experience of this restaurant together,

669
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: and like the fast casual is like highlighting the individualization

670
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: of like you are the chef, customize your dish, you

671
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: are eating you pace, there's no communal check, you are

672
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: paying a loan. You can sit at a table like

673
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,439
Speaker 1: you sit at your own table. And if you sit

674
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: in a communal space, god forbid you speak to another

675
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: person like it is like very much anti like communal existence.

676
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: It is about complete like individuation and like in corporate

677
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: with in corporate America. Wow, I this is complicated. I

678
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: appreciate you saying that you like them, because I also

679
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: love a fucking fast casual experience and it is like

680
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: one of the more shameful parts of myself is I

681
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: will like so I will seek out at Chipotle, like

682
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: I will like to do my best to get into

683
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: a Chipotle, and I feel whenever I'm there, I get

684
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: like the same rush out of a chipole that I

685
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: get out of, like entering a target where I'm like,

686
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: suddenly I'm like in touch with me ten years ago,

687
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: and I'm in touch with my childhood and I'm like,

688
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: oh my god, I feel I mean feel me at

689
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: all times. You know those moments where you like zoom

690
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: out of yourself and realize what you just said, Like me,

691
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: me in May saying out loud in my apartment. I

692
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: think the thing I miss most is chipole. Like that

693
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: a thing I said out loud shamefully. I have to say,

694
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: I'm sort of a dig in girl. Well you've always

695
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: had higher standards. Can I tell you something, George that

696
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: my rate said about digging that chilled me to the bone.

697
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 1: He was like, once he realizes about it's like once

698
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: he realizes that digging, it is so profoundly shocking. It's

699
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: upscale rebranded leftovers. Wow, you sort of come in, you're

700
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: that were prepared yesterday, that are like very much like

701
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: you can eat them kind of cold, kind of warm,

702
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: nothing's hot, um microwaved if you want. That's fun. But no,

703
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: but you're so right, and it's like, I you know,

704
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: you sort of convince yourself. It's like how people say, like, oh,

705
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: I can make a meal out of these appetizers, you

706
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: sort of pinch yourself, like, oh my god, Actually, what

707
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: I've always wanted is like carrots with one flavor profile

708
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: and broccoli with another flavor profile on top of kimla

709
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: with like a slab of tofool on top, Like of course,

710
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: thank god, I finally found it. Absolutely, And I do

711
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: think I will say I think like in terms of

712
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: the safest like the left, the least devoid of like

713
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: or like the most like separated from like the cynicism

714
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: of fast casual are the salad places. I do feel

715
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: the salad places have the least darkness to them. And

716
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: I think that's because salads have no culture, do you

717
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean? But yeahs also it's it is

718
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: girls and gaze in a way that like is inherent unfortunately,

719
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: but also the worst straits, like the health conscious straight man,

720
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: the like fitness finance bro Yeah, a scary scary type

721
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: of straight Yeah. Wow, I'm like, okay, so Chipotle, we

722
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: love digging. I like, but now have sort of had

723
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: my mind blown by this revelation that is repurposed, that

724
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: it's repurpose leftovers. Sweet Green is something that at first

725
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: I was okay with and then I had a sudden

726
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I just had a sudden realization that

727
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: it all tastes the same. It's all just like I'm

728
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: almost like, did they make this in a lab? And

729
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: this just looks like kle And this looks like romaine,

730
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: but they're both made of the same material beyond kale.

731
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: And then of course there's the fury that comes with

732
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: when they ask you if you want bread and then

733
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: they give you half a slice of bread. See, I

734
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: love that. When they give me half bread, I'm like,

735
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: thank you. You know, like you have to do? You

736
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: have to demand more? Are you in the sweeten saying

737
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: you know what I wish I was? I'm not because

738
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: because I'm like, no, the sweet street Green has set

739
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: the rules. Who am I to reject them? But I

740
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: always envy people. Well, again, it all goes back. It

741
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: all goes back to this problem with um frankly capitalism,

742
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: where if only I could be rude to the CEO,

743
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: I would, but my human but the human connection I

744
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: have with the worker prevents me from ever bringing, you know,

745
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: bringing sending back food, complaining, speaking rudely, you know, because

746
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is not your fault. If only I

747
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: could just press a button, then talk to the CEO

748
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: and then literally like slap them across the face so

749
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: I could get it out of my system without subjecting

750
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: this poor, underpaid laborer I think the whims of my moods.

751
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: You said something, Um, I found really interesting about that,

752
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: which is sweet Green makes the rules, which I think

753
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: for all fast casual. The thing about it is that

754
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: it's like there's an illusion of choice within it in

755
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: a way that is so insane. Well yeah, but then

756
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: sometimes there's not enough Like have you ever gone to

757
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: a cava? And then they're like, okay, design it and

758
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, can you tell? Can you be the chef here?

759
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: Like I don't know what you're talking about? That is

760
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: there's like proteins and sauces, like let give me a dish, babe,

761
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: like I need like, like what are we doing? This

762
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: is why I hate buffet dining as well. I know

763
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 1: this is a different but it's like, no, a food

764
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: professional should give me three choices. Absolutely, I am a comedian, yeah,

765
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: um wow, but no, okay, I also had the most

766
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: harrowing Okay, So another issue with all of this is

767
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: that it has become digitized and algorithmized. So this is

768
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: lond this is literally the suburbs. Yeah. Yes, So I

769
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: went to a fast casual place close to my apartment.

770
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: I honestly would call them out if I remembered the name,

771
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: but I don't. I walk in, and this is like

772
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: I generally, because I work from home, pride myself in

773
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: usually making lunch truly like the time. But this one

774
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: time I didn't have groceries whatever. I was like, you

775
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: know what, I would love something sort of healthy. Went

776
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: to this salad place I think sweet green thing called

777
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: to think again and yeah, and don't get me started

778
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,919
Speaker 1: on tender greens, the promise of something better than sweet green.

779
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: But then it's actually not No, we can't tangent because

780
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: I have so much to say about the digitizing that

781
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: you keep going. I walk in, walking, there are only

782
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: oversized iPads. There are no people there, and there are

783
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: only oversized iPads. I'm like, you know what, Okay. I

784
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: normally would turn around and leave and actually bring everyone

785
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 1: with me and start a strike and and actually start

786
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: a labor union, not for the workers, for the customers

787
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: of this establishment. But I was so hungry that I

788
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm gonna just try whatever.

789
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 1: I'll just do it. I walk up to the fucking iPad,

790
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: I have to make an account. No, you don't know,

791
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: and then I walked out, Like when I when I

792
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: found out that I have to make an account where

793
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 1: I give my email address to get one salad one

794
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: day in my life, I was like, that's where I

795
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: draw the line. That is psychology. That's actually some of

796
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: the crazy ship I've ever heard in my life. And

797
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: I have to tell you that the this is my

798
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: thing is like I actually think like my customized like

799
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 1: American horror story version of hell that was like curated

800
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: for me is like me standing in line waiting to

801
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: be served at like a Sweet Green, and the employees

802
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: are can't serve me because they are fulfilling these like

803
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: hell orders from these like corporate cogs who are going

804
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: to come and pick up there to go and leave.

805
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: It's like, no, I am here for the human experience.

806
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: Like suddenly I'm like defending the fast casual dining experience

807
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: of like I came here as a human to make

808
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: a sound with another human like I hate saying human,

809
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: but like it's like I just like it's like and

810
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: you're watching it, it happened. It is how the like

811
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: table full of mobile orders at a Starbucks and like

812
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: we are what this is? So this is a hellscape too,

813
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: it is And this is where it's heterosexual. Do you

814
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying? This is Well, it's just like

815
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: this this obsession with um making everything more efficient, where

816
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: you're like you won't fucking die if you wait in

817
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: a three person line to order your sud. It's also

818
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: it's even more I think people are even more like, No,

819
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to see anyone, Like it's very much

820
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: like I want my compound and I don't want to

821
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: see a single fucking person. That being said, I want

822
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: someone to prepare something for me, but I do not

823
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: want to talk to someone about it. And I think

824
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: there's also like a if I don't have to like

825
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: verbal like if I don't have to like deal with

826
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: the embarrassment of how particular I'm going to be, and

827
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: I can just write it out on and a you

828
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 1: are It's that's like and that's why it gets dark

829
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: is because then it's like, not only are you stuck

830
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: in line behind these people doing these digital orders, the

831
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: digital orders take forever because they're customized to the point

832
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: where it's like, at this point, be like Georgian cook

833
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: at home, what are you doing? Like you are? So

834
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: it is so true that we have gone from almost

835
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: like looking I mean it's looking down upon the person

836
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 1: who makes five you know, alter rations to their order

837
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 1: and you know they're difficult whatever, blah blah, And now

838
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: that is just made invisible so you can go freely

839
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: without shame and and make your burger into a sound.

840
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 1: I the Starbucks especially, and I'm putting that in fast casual,

841
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: Like the way that people lean into the online order

842
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: like genuinely scares me and make me feel makes me

843
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: feel like it's almost I feel a micro version of

844
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: when Trump was elected. Yes, I feel like, oh I

845
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: don't understand people to a like high degree because it's like,

846
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: also a Starbucks in a suburb, Let's say that's a

847
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: queer space. That's all they have. Like there's a gay

848
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: guy working anyways, and there's like stupid music being played

849
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: and people are ordering frat pays, and it's like this

850
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: is a gay space. Thank you. But now they're trying

851
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: to make They're like, well, yeah, I like their drinks,

852
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,720
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna like, I'm not gonna go inside.

853
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: It's like no, this you have to be subjected to

854
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: the gay guy that's working there. You have to because

855
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: you have to subject to the gay guy who's from

856
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: But then here's where it gets really dark. This is

857
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: where it's like actually like even saying this is where

858
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: it gets late stage. We're just moving later in later stage.

859
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: But it's like these fast casual places are then also

860
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: fostering a sense of community on their apps with like

861
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: programs like rewards and there's levels and like it having

862
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: because like something I haven't brought up is that like

863
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: when I was working, I used to be a lunch bartender.

864
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: So it was like the closest I've ever had to

865
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: like being like because I was working like midday hours

866
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: in Manhattan. Granted I was still bartending, but I was

867
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: working eleven to five, and I would go to Sweet

868
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 1: Green for lunch almost every day, and like I got gold.

869
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: I had Swee Green Old status and that meant something

870
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: to me, like I expense and it's like this sense

871
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: and it's really big with the Starbucks thing, because then

872
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: you get the points and stuff and it's like everyone's

873
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: and it makes you feel like you're part of this

874
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 1: community where it's like you can design your own drink

875
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: and like do this stuff, and it's like people, we

876
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: are now turning to the apps of these places for

877
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: community rather than actually experiencing community in human humanity. Jake,

878
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: you said a sentence that chilled me to my bone,

879
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: and I want to repeat it, which is that you said,

880
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,919
Speaker 1: these fast casual chains are now creating community on their

881
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: apps through loyalty programs. That sentence has approximately sixteen trigger awards.

882
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: Its actually like insane. That not that that it is

883
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: true sentiment. No, it's it's absolutely real. Absolutely wow, Okay,

884
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: this is I mean, this is the Rooberos sort of

885
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 1: snake eating its own tail of again, not to be cliche,

886
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: late stage capitalism where okay, so fast casual dining exists.

887
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: You think this is dystopia, but not only is it

888
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: not dystopia, it is actually just the infrastructure upon which

889
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: to build even more dystopian things. So fast casual restaurant

890
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: is the setting than you have the app, you have,

891
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: the loyalty program, you have like the special pride menu

892
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: you have like you know, the iPads that replace the

893
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: people you then create an account so that you can

894
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: be suddenly surveiled and sent to the Iraq War. It's

895
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: it's like there is no end in sight. Oh my god.

896
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: There's also no lines of like reality in terms of

897
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: like because then something that starts to happen, where like

898
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: normal good restaurants are then being like turned into fast

899
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: casual because like it's like, hey, do you wanna do

900
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 1: you want to get like delivery at lunch from Carbone

901
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 1: And it's like why would I ever? Like people don't understand.

902
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: It's so crazy, and like do you understand that like

903
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: certain food needs to be eaten hot? And if you

904
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: pay for a man on a bike to go first

905
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: of all, then let's not even get into this becau

906
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 1: it's too complicated down a sidewalk among pedestrians at thirty

907
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: to bring you a spicy riggatony that is now solid

908
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: by the time you get like what is happening? Like

909
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 1: I just the way we think about like food and

910
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 1: the delivery of it's so crazy, and like these businesses

911
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: have broken our brains, and then the way those businesses

912
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: lean into that in their market I mean that is

913
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: almost the final step. It's like, okay, so we all

914
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: feel sort of ashamed and not we all because I think,

915
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, I think the three of us obviously are

916
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: extremely elevated. I have never made a mistake in our lives.

917
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: But you know, it's sam almost it. But I called

918
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 1: it for You're using seamless and you're like, I know

919
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 1: this is ad, but I have no food in my apartment,

920
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: so I'm going to do it whatever. Then the ad

921
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: will be like feeling like feeling useless. Just leave it

922
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,919
Speaker 1: to us like it's it's it's it's sort of like

923
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: encouraging this sort of like half shameful, you know, like

924
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: have a treat. And this also brings it back to

925
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: the thing that you were saying about like wanting to

926
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: like talk to the CEO, because it's very like the

927
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: marketing team is speaking for the workers. It's like, I

928
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: don't think they said that. I don't think like the

929
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: people making the burrito that's being delivered to me he said,

930
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: like I got you, babe, like you told us. The

931
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: higher upset like we got you, babe, And then they

932
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: are the ones who have to do it all. Like

933
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: this is insane. I mean it is the epitome of

934
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: alienation when you think about literally like a marketing firm

935
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: full of like depressed like want to be writers who

936
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: have landed there either depressed want to be writers, or

937
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: even worse satisfied. I'd act, people who actually wanted to

938
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: work in marketing, like work at a firm. Seamless goes

939
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: to them, They're like, listen, we wanna basically condescend to

940
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: everyone while also devaluing our workers. Can you make that fun?

941
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: And also it's a pride campaign. And then the people

942
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: at the marketing firm are like, you got it all.

943
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: And then they are like joking with each other and

944
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: they're like, it'sn't it crazy that we like work for

945
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 1: an evil company l O L like h ll L.

946
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: And then they like write something that's almost like intentionally

947
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: bad to make themselves laugh. Then Seamless it's like, oh

948
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: my god, we love it. This will go great with

949
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: gen Z. And then it's on the subway, I'm feeling

950
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: I'm nauseous because then also, and this is like if

951
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: we're if you're not now, but if you're already nauseous,

952
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: buckle up, because it's like then I start to spiral

953
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: out to fully existential where I'm like, okay, so wait,

954
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: like so what is living? Because if we're like saying that,

955
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: like oh, we don't want to have to wait in

956
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: the line of the grocery store, pick up your own laundry,

957
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: cook your own food, like go pick up your own food.

958
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: Like what are you meant to do with the time

959
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: that you have on this earth? Am I supposed to

960
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: sit on the couch and just like everything? Like it's

961
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:57,959
Speaker 1: like at some point, like going to the grocery store

962
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: is living, Like going to your like like that is

963
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: like that is life, Like that is what our life

964
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: is comprised of. That is how it exists. Like you

965
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: have like years ideally between like when you're born and

966
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: you die where you do these activities like if you

967
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: are like paying other people to do them, Like actually,

968
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: what are you doing with your time? Like what is

969
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 1: your existence? Like what is that? It is all operating

970
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: from this idea that there's this baseline and there's something

971
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: else we want to be doing. And it's like, can

972
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: you concretely tell me what the other thing is? I

973
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: can gaming shut the fun up? No, you are that

974
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: is so true, Jake, And it's and it's almost like

975
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 1: that is the rotten core at the center of it.

976
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: It's like we're all looking, we're all like searching for

977
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: that other thing. We're like, surely we're making all these sacra,

978
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: we're doing all this stuff to make everything more efficient

979
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: in order to do the thing. And then we're like

980
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: getting closed to the thing, getting close to the thing,

981
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: getting closer to the thing. But then the thing keeps

982
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: going farther and farther and farther away from us, and

983
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: it's like, I guess that's life. It's like efficiency is

984
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: like this false. It's like efficiency is this false? What

985
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: is like the word I'm trying to look at, like false,

986
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: um promise false, like false sort of like false like

987
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: ideal where it's like like okay, Like another example would

988
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: be like grinder and scruff right where it's like where

989
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: it's like it makes it more efficient to like get

990
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: laid and then if you use it enough, like something

991
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: that you realize is like wait, the fun part is

992
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: the pursuit, and this is eliminating the fun part, like

993
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like the fun part is

994
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: like like the fun part is like making eye contact

995
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: with one of the bar and being like are we

996
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: gonna funk later? And like you're like, oh, like what

997
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: is the efficiency in pursuit of because like I'm eliminating

998
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: the parts of it that are enjoyable, like and that's

999
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: like ultimately it's a it's a it's applicable to all

1000
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: of it. Should we go full analog? Like no, I

1001
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:45,919
Speaker 1: mean listen, yeah, basically honestly, yeah, I have been um, yeah,

1002
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm I mean you also sort of catch me at

1003
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: an existential state today because of the day I've had.

1004
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: But I'm sort of like, I mean because the not

1005
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: to bring it back to digital media, but like that

1006
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: also ties it where it's sort of like, Okay, everyone

1007
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: here is trying to put something out into the world.

1008
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: Then we are hearing like feedback from the people that

1009
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: work in sales and marketing, feedback that's algorithmic from Google trends,

1010
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: like feedback from random like bots tweeting, and you're like,

1011
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: what is even left? I have no idea even I

1012
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 1: have completely lost touch with like what any of my

1013
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: goals are in terms of what I want to put

1014
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: out into the world and of what any actual coherent

1015
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 1: reaction is to the things that I do put out

1016
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: Because it is impossible to sort of like evaluate it

1017
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: in any normal way because you just get like this

1018
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: cacophony of random people yelling at you. So essentially, I

1019
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: guess see you in the Rocky Mountains. It's I mean,

1020
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: it's complicated. I think the worst part is that you

1021
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: are punished for for not going along with it, like

1022
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: like when it comes to like Jake, what you were

1023
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: saying about, like you will literally be waiting in line

1024
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: and they will be fulfilling online orders, or like you

1025
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 1: will be getting points and people will like get a

1026
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: free meal and you won't. Like I have, There's been

1027
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: a lot of my life where I'm like, no, I'm

1028
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: just gonna do it the normal way, like I should

1029
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 1: be able to walk into a store and buy something.

1030
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: And it's like you are always punished, Like you're punished

1031
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: for like wanting to be patient with like something you

1032
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: put out your want. Your punished for like being like private,

1033
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: and it's like this is so um frustrating because you're

1034
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: not I feel like personally like I'm not trying to

1035
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: be difficult, and it's like, but I have to. It

1036
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: becomes difficult because you're being punished. Yeah, it's funny that

1037
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: you say, like privacy, because it's like it doesn't even

1038
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,959
Speaker 1: have to be about privacy. It's like I just don't

1039
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 1: fucking feel like doing that. Like it was walking into

1040
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: the store and doing it was fine, Like it truly

1041
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 1: was fine. The idea of going up to the iPad

1042
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: and making an account would actually be like it really Yeah,

1043
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,359
Speaker 1: it was one of those moments that were truly my

1044
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: life flash before my eyes. It's what you're saying, Sam

1045
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: of like realizing it's I mean it quite literally is alienation.

1046
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 1: It is you feel alienated from your fellow man. You

1047
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: feel alienated from like the food you are about to consume,

1048
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: you feel alienated from yourself. I mean it is hell. Well,

1049
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: what scares me about it is, okay, is this if

1050
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: it gets too dark, like cut it out. But it's like,

1051
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: but it's like part because I always think that like

1052
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: things are cyclical and are going to swing back. But

1053
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: like the other thing I think we're experiencing is that

1054
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: as we are getting older, it's like the people who

1055
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: are younger than us, like their baseline is higher, so

1056
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: they already have a higher tolerance because like their base,

1057
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: like their baseline is like yeah, when you you like

1058
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: their baseline is like, yeah, you give your email. The

1059
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: second you are like, that's not where it's it's like

1060
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: it's getting there, and then it's gonna be like the

1061
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: guy always think about, Like my grandfather retired because like

1062
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: they overhauled the computer system in the company he worked for,

1063
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: and they were just like, hey, we're gonna give you

1064
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: a better retirement package because you can't learn this, like

1065
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: you're out, and like that happened in like the nineties.

1066
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: Like he was a medical salesman. He sold like like

1067
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: I think he's sold like agra like but like he

1068
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: like but they at some point they like updated the

1069
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: system so it wasn't like you kept things analog on

1070
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: paper anymore. You had to do it digitally. And he

1071
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: just like retired, and it's like I feel like there's

1072
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: like it's just like does it keep heightening or is

1073
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: it at some point or is the alienation you're talking

1074
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: about going to get so intense that everyone's going to

1075
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: be like we have to get off these phones, do

1076
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? I mean it's tough because

1077
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: then you're sort of like I mean, with the technology

1078
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: of it all, you're like, well, maybe at some point

1079
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: we will all the friction will be gone completely and

1080
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: you all you have to do is like think something

1081
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: and it will happen or whatever. Yeah, I don't know,

1082
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: or everything will be everything will be serie basically like

1083
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: the iPad, the creating account on an iPad is clearly

1084
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: a temporary stop gap because what they actually want, there's

1085
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 1: what they actually wanted for you to be able to

1086
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: literally think I want to kill Caesar and for that

1087
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: to appear in front of you, Like the iPad is

1088
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: a temporary stop gap that will be useful for approximately

1089
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: a year and a half. Thought you said I want

1090
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: to kill Caesar, and I was like, I got so confused. Um,

1091
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: but you know what, for now, Chippotle is absolutely delicious. Hey,

1092
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: Chippotle is delicious. They did such a job, They do

1093
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: such a good job. But I do I'm very My

1094
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: plans after this is I'm going to my friend's house

1095
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: to have dinner at a table with like actual friends

1096
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: after this conversation. I'm very thankful for that. No, I

1097
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: I really yeah, it's um god, the work lunch is

1098
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: really something I don't miss about going into an office

1099
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: every day. Yeah. Yeah, although okay, I'll say this, like, yes,

1100
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: it's alienating but when you don't do the technological thing

1101
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: and at least you are in line with fellow people

1102
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: and you're like, you know, I used to work somewhere

1103
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: where you know, there were various offices around there, so

1104
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: you would see some people in suits and you're like, oh,

1105
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: they work in business or in finance. You'd see some

1106
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: people like in scrubs and you're like, oh, they work

1107
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: at the hospital, like something whatever, And at least you

1108
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: feel part of the city. You know, like at least

1109
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 1: there's you know, at least it's like being on the

1110
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: subway where you're like, yes, this is hell in a sense,

1111
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: but I feel like I am in New York and

1112
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: it's like truly the bare minimum. It is the bare

1113
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 1: minimum of like after a day at your fucking computer,

1114
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: just feeling at least embodied, like I am in a

1115
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: human body. Yes, And if you are ordering your salad online,

1116
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: you don't even get that. That's like the thing because

1117
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: if it was just like you go, if fast casual

1118
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: signing was still just like you go and you order

1119
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: with all the other people, I don't think we be

1120
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: having this conversation like I bet it was fun like

1121
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: back like when shake Shack like blew up like fifteen

1122
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: years ago. I bet that was a party. Everyone was

1123
01:00:50,640 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: like whoa people doing coke and the app thing. I

1124
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 1: was coming back from like out of the country and

1125
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: that there was a really long line to go through

1126
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: like customs to get back into America, and they were

1127
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: like it was really complicated and confusing, and then they

1128
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: were like, but if you have the app, you can

1129
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: go into that line. And that line was like two

1130
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: people long, like the other line was literally an over

1131
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: an hour wait and this one and it was like

1132
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: you mean I could just down and I just downloaded

1133
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: it and then got to like cut the whole line.

1134
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, this is so fucked up, Like

1135
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: this supposed to be a government thing, and even this

1136
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: is being like fast casualized, and it's like, just make

1137
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: your normal lines better. Why do you're just adding a

1138
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,120
Speaker 1: middleman for no reason? Are you getting like a cut?

1139
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: What is going on? It was insane and it's just

1140
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: really the US passport. There's like a US Passport app

1141
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: that's actually crazy because it's like you have my information,

1142
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: you have the government in my hand, like just scan

1143
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: it and let's go. It was like going to it's

1144
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: like going to like vote and then being like scan

1145
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: this QR code. I know it's so weird. I like

1146
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 1: it pissed me off so much. I was so mad

1147
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: because also all there was all these people that like

1148
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: didn't It was just like, oh, you're like making this

1149
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: so like rich people can skip the line, Like why stupid.

1150
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: The last time I went to went through the US

1151
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: border at JFK like this back when I was coming

1152
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:43,280
Speaker 1: back from Edinburgh, I like walked from the gate like

1153
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: two departures and then when I got to the desk,

1154
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: I didn't show the man anything. He said hi, Jacob,

1155
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: and I said, you know my name, and then he

1156
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: read all my information to me off the computer screen

1157
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: and then said you're good to go. He never took

1158
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 1: my passport like at some point I have never actually

1159
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: was like it, And he was like laughing at me

1160
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: that he was getting a kick out of the fact

1161
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: that I didn't know how it worked, but like he

1162
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: did not he did not my passport stay in my

1163
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: hand the entire time. It was actually the scariest thing

1164
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: I've ever encountered. I don't like that one bit. I

1165
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: don't like that one bit. I don't know how he

1166
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: did it well I'll really freak out when they do

1167
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: it at Chipotle. Have you guys read Super Sad True

1168
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: love story about Gary Steinhardt? No, No, okay, homework for

1169
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: everyone listening out there. I feel like it came out

1170
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: like ten or eleven or twelve or something. It's it's

1171
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: really like predicts the rise of um kind of online influencers.

1172
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: And there's like a class of people that they I

1173
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: think call media people. And it's like he's gone media,

1174
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,640
Speaker 1: Like he's become like someone who is only like, you know,

1175
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: interacted the world through media. I don't remember the details,

1176
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 1: but um, let me tell you something. Community. That's where

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01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: we're heading. Wow. I hate when books pricked the future.

1178
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: I know, it's so sad, it's crazy. That's why it's

1179
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: better to just not write them. Yeah, don't write them,

1180
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: and honey, don't read them. Build your own future. We

1181
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: should burn bucks. They that's so what if that's the

1182
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: conclusion we came to after this like screed on the

1183
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: ills in late state capitalism. We're like, well, this all

1184
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: happened because of the original technology the printing press. Sam

1185
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: is like, not, no, there's something to it. You know, listen,

1186
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: do I think there should be higher standards for what

1187
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: gets to be put through the printing press. Absolutely I do. Um. Wow, Jake,

1188
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: I have to say this has been a sort of

1189
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: mind blowing episode. I'm like, this has been cathartic because

1190
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 1: I it makes me feel one elderly. I feel like

1191
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: the world has changed under my feet. And I haven't

1192
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: really grasped that fact yet. I haven't like I really

1193
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,920
Speaker 1: thought about that. Um, but it is true. Yeah, And

1194
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: from my perspective, I just want to say that the

1195
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: fact bit like I could sort of take out my

1196
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: rage at being fired by you know, sort of a

1197
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: literal billionaire today on on fast casual restaurants and just

1198
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: map my experience onto dig In and Sweet Green was

1199
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: very cathartic, sort of the distance I needed to process

1200
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: and more, I think the Catholic God brought us together

1201
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: today for this. I really agree, and I'm excited for

1202
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: the three of us to be nailed to those three

1203
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: crosses together for this episode comes out. Wow. Well, should

1204
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: we do our final segment? I think I think we

1205
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: must jake our final segments called shoutouts, and in this

1206
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: segment we pay tribute to the classic straight art form

1207
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,439
Speaker 1: of the radio shout out Think TRL thinks z one,

1208
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: we are shouting out something that is making us go

1209
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: yaws and Sam, I you know what. I actually I

1210
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: have one that I can do. Please go for it.

1211
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 1: What's up, listeners. I want to give a quick shout

1212
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,919
Speaker 1: out to Dr Orna garl Nick, who is the therapist

1213
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: at the center of the television series Couples Therapy, which

1214
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 1: people have been recommending to me at this point for

1215
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: four years. It's on showtime, but you can get through Amazon,

1216
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: which I don't support, by the way, so shut up.

1217
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: And I want to say this woman, when I tell

1218
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 1: you she is mother, she is literally my Virgin Mary.

1219
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: I pray to her and would literally pay upwards of

1220
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars just to have a single therapy session

1221
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:45,919
Speaker 1: with her. She is doing God's work. I first thought

1222
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: it was exploitative that she was putting these couples on TV,

1223
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: airing out the dirty laundry, but I actually now think

1224
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: it is a public service. I am so inspired by her.

1225
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: I think no one has ever been better at their job.

1226
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: I think she also just like looks incredible, and I

1227
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: don't think that's necessary for being a good therapist, but

1228
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: I certainly don't think it doesn't it hurts. And I

1229
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 1: also want to say, you know, at first, when I

1230
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 1: was watching that show is like all these men are

1231
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 1: gas lighters, and I do, to some extent still think that.

1232
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: But she has Actually she's so good at what she does,

1233
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: and she has made me empathized with every single person,

1234
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: even even the gas lighters and the losers. And that

1235
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: is being a truth she you know what, by by

1236
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:30,440
Speaker 1: talking to people, by doing this the slow work of

1237
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: understanding one another, she is the opposite of the past

1238
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: casual restaurant. And we have to go. We have to

1239
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: all watch Couples Therapy in order to break the shackles

1240
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: of late stage capitalism. Okay that have you have either

1241
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: of you seen the show? No? No, but I've seen clips.

1242
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: But I love television. You literally have it is mind

1243
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: blod Okay, I'm curious. It's literally just like filmed therapy

1244
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: sessions with real life couples, but it is done in

1245
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:06,479
Speaker 1: a sort of like documentary style. It's not like track

1246
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: reality TV. Can I ask the weird question question the

1247
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: couples like? Is there sort of like a general theme

1248
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: of like these couples are the sort of people that

1249
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 1: would like are oft in a way that would allow

1250
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:20,759
Speaker 1: them to consent to do this. Does that make sense?

1251
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: I know that makes complete sense. I have to say

1252
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: I should do more research on how they cast it

1253
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: and stuff. But they really don't seem like they seem

1254
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: like Norman. That I wouldn't say they seem like Norman.

1255
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,799
Speaker 1: They obviously have issues and they're talking about them and whatever,

1256
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: but like, they don't seem like the kinds of people

1257
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: desperate to be on TV. They don't seem like the

1258
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: kinds of people that would apply to be on the

1259
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: real world. They are also from all walks of life

1260
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: that are like low income people, enriched people, and gay

1261
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: couples and straight couples and interracial couples and couples of

1262
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 1: all different ethnic backgrounds. It is it feels sort of

1263
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,759
Speaker 1: like a miracle that she somehow found this group of people.

1264
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: And even though when you obviously zoom out you're like,

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Speaker 1: this is crazy that this is happening while you're watching it,

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Speaker 1: you're not thinking that you're just riveted by what's happening

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Speaker 1: on screen. That's usually to because I think I just

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Speaker 1: assumed it would be Baseline. Everyone's taking like UCB two

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Speaker 1: A one. I would I would assume that as well,

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Speaker 1: but I'm glad to hear it's not that. Yeah, um, okay,

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Speaker 1: I have one. What's up everybody around the world. Who um.

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Speaker 1: I would like to give a huge shout out to

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Speaker 1: UM workouts that require gear. I am getting into gear.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say when I'm started swimming at the y again.

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Speaker 1: And I absolutely love the fact that I have to

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Speaker 1: wear a cap and a goggle. And sometimes I'm like,

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Speaker 1: should I get a new Speedoh? Why not? It's it's gear,

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Speaker 1: and it makes me feel like working out is not

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01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,679
Speaker 1: a chore but actually a luxury that I am allowed

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01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 1: and allowing myself to have. I always scoffed at workout gear,

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01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 1: and I was always like when I would go for

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Speaker 1: runs or like go to the gym, I would be

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01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: like in like ratty shirts and shorts and sort of

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01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: be like, this is me. I'm just a real guy,

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01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of like, no, I want to get

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Speaker 1: something fancy and I want to feel like what I'm

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01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 1: doing is with purpose and with uh care. And UM

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01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 1: gear is also a swim cap. You think you're gonna

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Speaker 1: feel stupid, but I'm actually glad they make me wear

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Speaker 1: it in the pool and they don't just make me

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Speaker 1: wear it. They make everybody wear it, so keep your

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Speaker 1: little jokes to yourself. Um yeah, they make me wear

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Speaker 1: a swim cap and everyone also. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: fun because it makes me feel like, Okay, this isn't

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Speaker 1: normal swimming. I'm working out and so that is powerful

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Speaker 1: and it's fun to look stupid sometimes, and that is

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Speaker 1: a beautiful lesson that I learned a few times a week.

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Speaker 1: X x oh Sam, who I mean you know we

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Speaker 1: should say? Speaking of swimming, shout out to UH Philly

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Speaker 1: G who messaged us and is a does open water

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01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: swimming in the Bay Area, and a group of UH

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Speaker 1: listeners of the pod called their team the Geralina's and

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01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 1: made custom UH swim caps that are and say the

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01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: Galina's slaying since almost made me almost made me cry

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01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: when when we got that dam wow. Um so take

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Speaker 1: it away. What is up everyone from the East Coast

1307
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: to the West Coast. I want to give a shout

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Speaker 1: out to flossing. Flossing is Flossing has become my biggest obsession.

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Speaker 1: I do it every single night. I do not miss

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Speaker 1: and oftentimes I forget to wash my face or don't

1311
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: forget that decide I don't want to do it, but

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Speaker 1: I always flossed because something I found out in my

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01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 1: early twenties is that flossing is not about cleaning between

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Speaker 1: your teeth. It is cleaning what below your gums. And

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Speaker 1: that's disgusting, and they don't tell you about that when

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Speaker 1: you're a kid. But it's actually about cleaning the stuff

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01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 1: that's stuck under your gums, where bacteria is growing and

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01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: food is rotting, and it's the number one cause of

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01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: bad breath. And when I flosted, I feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: never going to die. So no matter what else I

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Speaker 1: do that's bad for me, flossing keeps me healthy. It's

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Speaker 1: the reason I will live as long as that man

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Speaker 1: who drink three more tis at lunch that I talked

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Speaker 1: about earlier. Flossing is the reason I am infallible and

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Speaker 1: perfect and I love myself because I floss beautiful. Wow

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Speaker 1: out flopping in flossing. Yes, yes, I'm in my floss era. Yeah,

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01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,719
Speaker 1: I flost in waves. I need to start flossing again.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonbe I'll start tonight. It could be huge. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: now that I'm now that I'm unemployed, I'm gonna really

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Speaker 1: commit to flossing. Well, I'll say this, Jake. It's been

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Speaker 1: an honor, a privilege, a joy, and a pleasure. And

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Speaker 1: for everyone out there listening. Uh, Sam and I are

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Speaker 1: available for higher yeah. Um yeah, we actually a few

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01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 1: months ago. You know, Sam was a high power TV

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01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: writer and I was a high power editor and now

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01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: we are both high power podcasters. I love it. I

1337
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 1: think it's so powerful to feel at the on top

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01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: of the world and then like moments later, bottom of

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01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: the barrel. Yeah. I think it's so so powerful. Await.

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Speaker 1: But then, but then we should say, you know, we've

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01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: been we've been uh telling ourselves. We're gonna say this

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01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: at the end of every episode and actually maybe we'll

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01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: do a pre record of thing. But for now, I

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01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 1: just want to say, honey, subscribe to our Patreon, Patreon,

1345
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: dot com, slash Radio lab. Oh and while we're plugging,

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01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: come to Club Comic on February and Jake, Jake Dal

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Speaker 1: do you have anything you want to plug? Yes, come

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01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: to my Union Hall show, Gorge Night on February sevent

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01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: and my solo show Club Coming not uh confusingly similar

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01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: same named to Sam show, but Club coming on February two.

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Speaker 1: M I would like to erase Jake's first plug. You

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01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: can't plug something on the same night as my show.

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Speaker 1: Wait is it? Oh my god? Great? Oh god? What

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01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,240
Speaker 1: time's your show? Uh? Seven thirty? Okay, never mind. Come

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01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,680
Speaker 1: to my solo show on February and I'm hosting a

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01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: sort of pop up smoothie night on that same day

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Speaker 1: at the same time, and it's at the New It's

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Speaker 1: at the New Bean that they just made in New York. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I love that there's a New York being. Now. The

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01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: New York Bean feels very straight you lab don't you

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01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 1: think we have to go out real? Yes, they made

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Speaker 1: a New York Bean. They said, they said, Chicago, We're

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Speaker 1: not gonna We're gonna take away the big photo op

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Speaker 1: and they said, you think you can have something New

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01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 1: York mean? Is so iconic? I love it so much?

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Speaker 1: Is it like around? Okay? Wait, the New York Bean

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01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 1: is that is actually so funny that it's like, what

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01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: is New York new culture? And it's stealing, like just

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01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 1: like appropriation and stealing. You have to all right, well,

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Speaker 1: we're going to do a big outdoor show by the

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Speaker 1: New York Bean and see everyone there, and that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be on February seven, all right O fine M.