Speaker 1: Friday Day, Friday. I gotta get down on Friday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kicking it back to the old school. Old school. Oh god,
Speaker 1: is that old school now? I feel like that was
Speaker 1: last few year. Old school has got to be ten
Speaker 1: years or more. What was that you read earlier about
Speaker 1: how like um wedding Singer Wedding Singer would have taken place?
Speaker 1: What in like two thousand nine today? If it was
Speaker 1: the same period of time removed when the movie came out,
Speaker 1: it was nostalgically reminiscing about it would be about two
Speaker 1: day Oh my wedding. Weird. Yeah, it's weird to think
Speaker 1: about being nostalgic for two thousand and nine or I
Speaker 1: guess I kind of am. Those were good years. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Happy Friday or who knows if it'll be Friday when
Speaker 1: you listen to this, but I hope that it's Friday
Speaker 1: in your hearts. Keep that Friday spirit going all week
Speaker 1: long unless you work weekends. I used to work weekends
Speaker 1: Friday for a nightmare like brunch, the bunch, the brunch.
Speaker 1: What would you call it? Career? What do you call
Speaker 1: it when you do uh, when you're in the army
Speaker 1: and you do a tourre My years of service and
Speaker 1: the trenches. I think three tours of brunch and uh
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, weekends are not fun. It ain't fun. No,
Speaker 1: Friday was a Monday. Saturday was also a kind of
Speaker 1: a Monday. Sunday was Wednesday. Mondays and Mondays were still Mondays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know they were like your weekend, but for everyone
Speaker 1: else was still Monday, so it was still Monday. Let's
Speaker 1: get out of reminiscing about this because it is not
Speaker 1: a place I ever wanted to revisit. Oh, bless you
Speaker 1: all you brunch workers out there. Thank you, We salute
Speaker 1: and tip you. Yes, we appreciate that. For real, love
Speaker 1: a brunch. I love to go to brunch, not like
Speaker 1: to ever work a brunch again. If I and make
Speaker 1: that happen pleasing, thank you? Yes, So, so tell all
Speaker 1: your friends about the show so we don't have to
Speaker 1: go back to wait till we are relying on your friends,
Speaker 1: your neighbors, your uncles and aunts to listen to our show.
Speaker 1: You know the title, Um, thanks for tuning in. I'm
Speaker 1: excited about this episode today, doing something a little different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm excited too, because we are going to dive into
Speaker 1: our mail bag and usually we just do like one
Speaker 1: or two in an episode. But we have such a backlog.
Speaker 1: It's true. We talked in the last episode how we've
Speaker 1: just been getting like boatloads of suggestions and messages from
Speaker 1: people and we love them so much. But sometimes we're
Speaker 1: recording an episode, we're like, ah, this this episode runs
Speaker 1: a little long because you know our show, uh, and
Speaker 1: we don't feel like we have time to read one,
Speaker 1: so like, let's just take a minute here and go
Speaker 1: through some of these because there's such good stuff what
Speaker 1: I love. We get these amazing suggestions from you guys,
Speaker 1: which is great. We get such cool reactions from you
Speaker 1: about the episodes that are just like stuff you're pulling
Speaker 1: out that we never even thought of, which I love.
Speaker 1: And then sometimes it sparks a story that you have
Speaker 1: yourself about someone you knew, or a story you experienced
Speaker 1: or something you know from your own life, and like
Speaker 1: seeing how people are connecting to the show on that
Speaker 1: personal level is like, I don't think I ever expected
Speaker 1: that when we started this, and that's just so cool. No,
Speaker 1: And it's awesome because it's such a like a perk,
Speaker 1: I guess of doing history through the lens of a
Speaker 1: couple because you can connect. There's a character to connect with,
Speaker 1: and there's you know, things about your own life that
Speaker 1: are reflected no matter what period of time we're in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's things you can go well. I relate to that,
Speaker 1: So it's kind of cool to see that so frequently. Definitely,
Speaker 1: So we want to take some of those stories and
Speaker 1: we want to share them with you all because I
Speaker 1: don't know about you, but I love, I really do
Speaker 1: love hearing people stories. It may not sound like it
Speaker 1: on this show, but I am a listener I in
Speaker 1: real life. If you get me in a conversation, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let you do most of the talking because that's
Speaker 1: just easier. Um. I've I've been I was an actor
Speaker 1: since I was a kid. I'm very used to having
Speaker 1: a script in front of me. And when I don't,
Speaker 1: when someone hasn't written my dialogue already, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to say. So you do it well, I'll say
Speaker 1: if if you get you if if if you get
Speaker 1: him on a subject you really like or knows a
Speaker 1: lot about, it can be like a train like you're
Speaker 1: just going to let that one happen. We're not stopping,
Speaker 1: which I'm the same way. So, yes, you know that
Speaker 1: doesn't even have to be a subject you like. It
Speaker 1: might just be something about how I really don't know
Speaker 1: much about it for about thirty minutes and my memories shipped.
Speaker 1: So I will pull out a notepad and I'll jot
Speaker 1: down things as I think of them, and later I'll
Speaker 1: be like, remember at this point in the story, I
Speaker 1: was going to say this, Listen, the way my brain
Speaker 1: makes connections is one of the most unique things about me.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful pattern. I wish you could catch out
Speaker 1: the way your brain makes connections, because this is incredible
Speaker 1: work of art. It's like in Stranger Things and they
Speaker 1: have to put together the map of Oh my god, yes,
Speaker 1: of Indiana, of hacks, and you can map out your brain.
Speaker 1: No one would get that. Awesome. Well, I'm excited for
Speaker 1: everybody because we're gonna read some really cool stories today.
Speaker 1: So I say we just dive in. Yeah, let's do it. Hey,
Speaker 1: the French, come listen. Well, Elia and Diana got some
Speaker 1: stories to tell. There's no match making, a romantic tips.
Speaker 1: It's just about ridiculous relationships, a love. It might be
Speaker 1: any type of person at all, and abstract cons that
Speaker 1: don't a concrete wall. But if there's a story where
Speaker 1: the second Glance Ridiculous rolls a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: And just because this is one of my favorite sound effects,
Speaker 1: I think that it's time for us to take one
Speaker 1: giant awesome So are We're going to kick it off
Speaker 1: with this message from Sheila who was at Sheila dot
Speaker 1: Herrera on Instagram, and she reached out and said, Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: love the show. I was listening to the de Land
Speaker 1: McCullough episode recently and I had to share my own story.
Speaker 1: Let me just jump into McCulla just a tear jerker, beautiful,
Speaker 1: wonderful story. I love that story so much. He wanted,
Speaker 1: like chills up my spine to second summary. Well, de
Speaker 1: Lan McCullough is a running backs coach. He had done
Speaker 1: like a Super Bowl and he's like a big name
Speaker 1: in the in the football world, American football and American football.
Speaker 1: Thank you and um he uh. He had been adopted
Speaker 1: as a child, and when he was sixteen, he got
Speaker 1: a coach who was like his mentors favorite person in
Speaker 1: the world, and that was kind of his father figure.
Speaker 1: But he always wanted to know who his real father was,
Speaker 1: so he finally asked his adopted mother, like do you
Speaker 1: have any information? And his dad turned out to be
Speaker 1: the coach that had been his coach since he was
Speaker 1: sixteen years old. So it was like a wonderful coincidence. Insane, loving,
Speaker 1: beautiful story, just insane. I love it. Spoiler alert if
Speaker 1: you haven't heard that episode, but go back and listen
Speaker 1: to it anyway. It's the way it all plays out
Speaker 1: is so wonderful. So Sheila is going to tell us
Speaker 1: her story. My mom gave my older sister up for
Speaker 1: adoption when she was born. Never had contact or knew
Speaker 1: where she was, but my mom knew the last name
Speaker 1: of the couple that the daughter had gone to. In
Speaker 1: high school, I had to take a swimming course for
Speaker 1: a scouting program that I was involved in. A couple
Speaker 1: of months after the course was completed, my mom was
Speaker 1: making a copy of the certificate to send in saw
Speaker 1: the last name of the lifeguard that taught me the course.
Speaker 1: Froze looked at me and told me it was my sister.
Speaker 1: I knew I had a sister, but didn't know anything else.
Speaker 1: I didn't see her again until after I graduated and
Speaker 1: started going to the community college. We ended up in
Speaker 1: the same math class. I introduced myself to her. We
Speaker 1: talked for a while. I got to know where. Eventually
Speaker 1: my mom met her and we have been pretty close
Speaker 1: for almost fifteen years now. Oh and after getting to
Speaker 1: know her more, we found out that she went to
Speaker 1: a local high school and was in the marching band.
Speaker 1: I went to a different school but was also in
Speaker 1: marching band. We were at competitions at the same time,
Speaker 1: competing against each other, and didn't know talking about sibling rivalry.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and you didn't even know it was
Speaker 1: sibling which is rivalry flin old straight up rivalry, secret
Speaker 1: sibling rivalry. Now, this is a lot like the de
Speaker 1: Land story. Do you think she had, like each of
Speaker 1: them had, there was something at that competition that were
Speaker 1: there inside. They were like, I don't know why this
Speaker 1: one feels like it matters more than the other, but yeah,
Speaker 1: there's something I gotta beat that school. I gotta kick
Speaker 1: as one trombonist whatever. Looking at her and she's just
Speaker 1: got something that makes me want to be better than
Speaker 1: her and also like connect with her too. There's something there,
Speaker 1: something there. Maybe maybe she will have to tell us
Speaker 1: if you felt that way she left. You're like, there's
Speaker 1: this one school I was like, it feels really extra
Speaker 1: extra competition. They're playing SUSA extra hard. Seriously. What's funny
Speaker 1: about this is that, just like with the land, his
Speaker 1: mom when she gave him up, the adoption agency told
Speaker 1: her that he would not be staying in the same area,
Speaker 1: that he was going to be adopted out in a
Speaker 1: different city, but he wasn't. He was adopted out right
Speaker 1: in the same name, in the same hometown. So that's
Speaker 1: so weird to think about. I guess you're like, psychologically,
Speaker 1: they're far away, so I won't look. It's not that
Speaker 1: weird to me that the administration at any facility just
Speaker 1: didn't work as hard as they said they were gonna, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going to send him real far away, and they
Speaker 1: just throw a dart at a local map and they're like,
Speaker 1: that's good enough. It's not the same stree. Yeah, don't worry,
Speaker 1: we'll send him blocks. And because his mom even talked
Speaker 1: about maybe being in the same grocery store with his
Speaker 1: accompted mother and passing him as a baby and not
Speaker 1: even knowing it, which must be just a weird mind
Speaker 1: space to live in, right, like all the different ways
Speaker 1: this could have gone or whatever. So that's funny that
Speaker 1: she was so local. Yeah, she ends by saying, anyway, again,
Speaker 1: I love the show. My son and I looked forward
Speaker 1: to them every week. Thank you, Sheila. I hope your
Speaker 1: son is either not too impressionable or a grown man.
Speaker 1: It's my year old son. Look, kids want to listen
Speaker 1: to the show. I welcome it, you know. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was slightly censored when I was growing up in terms
Speaker 1: of what I've watched. I don't know how my parents
Speaker 1: did it, because I just didn't want to. You know,
Speaker 1: my my friends watch horror movies or something, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, I never liked horror very much,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't too interested in like sexy stuff until
Speaker 1: I was old enough to want to watch it anyway.
Speaker 1: But like curse words, violence, no problem, our rated action movie. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. I remember we weren't allowed to watch The
Speaker 1: Simpsons when I was very young. It was like a
Speaker 1: little just a little too adult, little too crude, crass.
Speaker 1: And my parents are like free will and hippies, you know,
Speaker 1: they just don't like they didn't want violence in our childhood,
Speaker 1: which I appreciated. Not we couldn't have we could, like
Speaker 1: I had, I had like Ninja turtles, but they didn't
Speaker 1: want us to have the weapons. You know, you couldn't
Speaker 1: have like a nerf right right, right, which is all
Speaker 1: you know Again, I I think that contributed to my
Speaker 1: imagination and all kinds of my and I don't have
Speaker 1: a particular activity towards violence. I love violence in movies
Speaker 1: and video games and stuff. That's great, but it's not
Speaker 1: like I'm not looking for it anyway. Point being, we
Speaker 1: weren't allowed to watch The Simpsons, and I remember my
Speaker 1: parents coming to me one day and saying, we watched
Speaker 1: the Simpsons last night. It was hilarious. We should all
Speaker 1: watch it, and from the next Sunday on every night
Speaker 1: is family. We sat down and watched the Simpson That's amazing.
Speaker 1: What's funny is the first episode we all sat down
Speaker 1: and watched together opened with a McBain movie trailer, so
Speaker 1: it was like the most violent cartoon blood everywhere, and
Speaker 1: it was so insane. I was like, this is the show.
Speaker 1: You're okay with us watching? All right? But it was
Speaker 1: a new family tradition who watched every week. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's fun. The mom's going to call me next week
Speaker 1: and go, that's not what happened. But that's what I remember.
Speaker 1: That's my memory. Yeah, don't trust your memory. Well, I
Speaker 1: remember we had like like a lot of uh probably
Speaker 1: the BBC FEATURETTS or something about like real historical figures. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds right, And I remember like watching some of
Speaker 1: them and you would learn that like, oh, for example,
Speaker 1: this one king was killed when they snuck into his
Speaker 1: room and stuck a hot poker up his ass, and
Speaker 1: now no everyone thought he died of natural causes. That's
Speaker 1: a real story. Yeah, And I just wonder what you
Speaker 1: were watching it on. Well, this is I'm saying. They
Speaker 1: were like, well of history is like that, and I
Speaker 1: want you to learn history. How can I tell you
Speaker 1: not to watch I mean basically, even in leath the weapon,
Speaker 1: they're not sticking up po grab someone's so it's like
Speaker 1: at least they're shooting like civilized people. I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Don't want you know what the logic was, to be honest,
Speaker 1: but I feel like I've turned out fine. I don't
Speaker 1: even remember how we got onto this mm hmm. I
Speaker 1: don't know. This is what it's like when conversations anyway,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Sheila for sending us that message.
Speaker 1: That one put a big smile on my face. So
Speaker 1: our next one comes from Katie Kempbell Katie Duck Kempbell
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Katie says, Hello, I wanted to reach out
Speaker 1: and tell you how much my fiance and I love
Speaker 1: your show. Thank you, Katie and Katie's fiance um or
Speaker 1: maybe maybe spouse now. I don't know how long it's been, UM,
Speaker 1: but Katie was talking about how, you know, all these
Speaker 1: different episodes we have sparked these what if conversations between
Speaker 1: her and her fiance, Like sometimes like I imagine an
Speaker 1: episode comes up and they're like, what if you were
Speaker 1: a hologram? You know, then what would you still love me? Well?
Speaker 1: It's sort of like when we did UM what were
Speaker 1: their names that were the Lonely Hearts Killers? Oh? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I was like, would you kill someone for me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And I was like sure, I don't know who depends
Speaker 1: on who? Yeah, I'm sure, Yeah, that's a reasonable answer
Speaker 1: if I was just like this asshole you never met
Speaker 1: who I don't even know, But I just feel like
Speaker 1: they insulted me. Feeling maybe not UM. I can't to
Speaker 1: be fair, I can't think of an example where I'd
Speaker 1: say all right, Okay, I'll do I'll kill that person.
Speaker 1: I know. I guess I can't. I can't think of
Speaker 1: anyone I would tell you to kill either. Let's just
Speaker 1: say it's probably a no. Probably anyway, So, Katie says,
Speaker 1: we usually listen to different episodes when commuting, and we
Speaker 1: love to tell each other high lights of episodes after work.
Speaker 1: That is a very efficient way to listen to a podcast. Efficient.
Speaker 1: That's partnership right there. Absolutely, and we don't have time
Speaker 1: to get through all this content. Let's make this a
Speaker 1: team effort. Katie says, we are especially big fans of
Speaker 1: the pandemic episodes because we met at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the pandemic. What a weird time to meet, I know.
Speaker 1: She says. We were actually friends in middle school and
Speaker 1: hadn't seen each other in years. We had just both
Speaker 1: graduated high school and we had plans to go to
Speaker 1: collegees hundreds of miles apart, but because of the pandemic,
Speaker 1: decided to stay in town and take a gap year.
Speaker 1: I had already put in my notice at work, and
Speaker 1: it was actually one of my last days there when
Speaker 1: Jacob came into the store and we reconnected. It's crazy
Speaker 1: to think something like a pandemic brought us together when
Speaker 1: we would have been living in separate states otherwise. That's
Speaker 1: so wild, you know, silver linings and all that. You
Speaker 1: just got to find something really good came out of this.
Speaker 1: While I'm glad it worked out for you, Katie and Jake,
Speaker 1: the rest of us had a lot of people got divorced,
Speaker 1: but it was Twitter got rain on her. No, No,
Speaker 1: this is so awesome. I love that for you both.
Speaker 1: Um so cool, it really is. I mean, you know, causality.
Speaker 1: Let's go back and say, well, this thing happened because
Speaker 1: of that thing. And it's just like and butterfly effect too. Right,
Speaker 1: if we've gone back in time and tweaked one thing,
Speaker 1: maybe you never would have met well, and I wonder
Speaker 1: if if they had gone to colleges separately, would they
Speaker 1: have met other people or would they have come back
Speaker 1: home and reconnected anyway, And just like the same thing
Speaker 1: would have happened, but like four years from now. You know,
Speaker 1: that is a longstanding question in romance, right, you can
Speaker 1: really you can really burn your brain on that kind
Speaker 1: of question, destiny, predeterminism, um free will or is it
Speaker 1: just or is it just that draw just like you
Speaker 1: know Yeah, we we have free will to who's where
Speaker 1: we go and who we meet and who we fall
Speaker 1: in love with to some degree. But I'm just drawn
Speaker 1: back home for some reason. It feels like there's something
Speaker 1: there that matters to me. Who knows, We can't We
Speaker 1: can't tell without a time machine. You just gotta pick
Speaker 1: your belief and go with it. That'd but true. But
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that this worked out for you too,
Speaker 1: So awesome. Probably engaged, may be married now. I don't know,
Speaker 1: let us know, Katie if what's going on, but I hope,
Speaker 1: I hope everything's going well for you all. Thanks for
Speaker 1: reaching out again. Yeah, it's nice to think about a
Speaker 1: pandemic bringing someone together instead of keeping them apart. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: Well here's another quick one. This is from Saxon who
Speaker 1: is welt Wondering on Instagram, and they gave us some
Speaker 1: really great suggestions, which we will save for when we
Speaker 1: actually do the episode. But they followed up with I
Speaker 1: shared your episode on Oscar Wilde with my law school
Speaker 1: class and we wound up using it as a reference
Speaker 1: for our class discussion. What awesome. That is both awesome
Speaker 1: and terrifying. I know. Now I'm like let should listen
Speaker 1: to you and make sure all the information is good.
Speaker 1: Students facing their education on us. Our voices are too powerful.
Speaker 1: I guess someone take us down to peg. Someone tell
Speaker 1: me you told one of our stories to your teachers
Speaker 1: and they laughed at you. So wrong, so wrong. Now
Speaker 1: that's so awesome. I feel raps give me a very
Speaker 1: big ego right now. Right, someone used our episode as
Speaker 1: a references critic. Uh Saxon went on to say, you
Speaker 1: guys asked in your Stork Derby episode if it really
Speaker 1: was a thing that lawyers just sit around on a
Speaker 1: Friday night talking about law cases for fun. I can
Speaker 1: confirm this is, in fact what lawyers do for fun.
Speaker 1: I'm a third year law student and I regularly read
Speaker 1: about law cases, both for school and fun. We're all
Speaker 1: a bunch of nerds. It's fine. Well, I am happy
Speaker 1: to know that confirmed. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, thank
Speaker 1: you uh Saxon for writing in and telling us the
Speaker 1: truth about lawyers friday nights. Right, I did say. I
Speaker 1: was like, I guess we're all nerds about the things
Speaker 1: we love, so it would be nerdy of us to
Speaker 1: sit around and talk about podcasts on a Friday night.
Speaker 1: But we certainly do it. I don't know if we
Speaker 1: talk about podcasts. Well, we talk about our podcast yeah, constantly,
Speaker 1: it's never off. But we do talk about our theater. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: things we've invested ourselves into, for sure. For sure. What
Speaker 1: else are you gonna talk about? It would be weird
Speaker 1: if we sat around talking about law cases. That would
Speaker 1: be weirder. Like, I have no reason to talk about
Speaker 1: this or knowledge, but I just felt like Briga, Hey, Diana,
Speaker 1: you ever heard of Jordan v. Massachusetts. I can't say
Speaker 1: that I have. Well, I'm going to talk about it
Speaker 1: for the next twenty minutes. Just made that one up.
Speaker 1: If Jordan v. Massachusetts is a real thing, Saxon, please
Speaker 1: let me know what I'm talking about it. Jordan went
Speaker 1: up against the entire all right, Well, I think we
Speaker 1: should just take a quick break. We'll come back with
Speaker 1: a couple more fun messages right after this. Yeah, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the mail bag, everybody. Okay. This one comes
Speaker 1: from German Nica on Instagram and she says, Hello, Eli
Speaker 1: and Diana. I love to hear your podcast. That leaves
Speaker 1: me in a great mood While I walk the dog
Speaker 1: in the morning, That's the perfect time to listen on
Speaker 1: this podcast. Um. She says, the biggest problem is I
Speaker 1: don't have enough episodes for my daily walks. Maybe you
Speaker 1: should do a daily podcast. She at least laughs after
Speaker 1: saying right, I was like, I just broke out into
Speaker 1: a sweat. I guess if we just had to turn
Speaker 1: on the mic and be like, hey guys, we're just
Speaker 1: gonna shoot the ship for fifteen minutes, then I would
Speaker 1: do that. That's true, but then we wouldn't have cool
Speaker 1: stories to tell. We would get very boring very quickly,
Speaker 1: because I think we bore each other with our non
Speaker 1: story is all the time. Anyway, Uh, Germenica has seriously, guys,
Speaker 1: great podcast, Thank you very much. I'm a Portuguese living
Speaker 1: in Jakarta and about to move to Singapore again. Maybe
Speaker 1: you can add Singapore to your places to visit. Maybe
Speaker 1: we care. I'm already done yea on the list on
Speaker 1: the list um. She also suggested that we look into
Speaker 1: in Yesta Castro and Pedro of Portugal, which we did
Speaker 1: last week. So I know that we had said, my mom,
Speaker 1: it's just that story to us, but Jermanica also suggested
Speaker 1: that story to us separately, So thank you for throwing
Speaker 1: that idea out. So I hope that. I hope we
Speaker 1: did them right in your ears Portuguese ears, because she
Speaker 1: was saying, it's just a really well known story in
Speaker 1: her country. As we said, it's like the Romeo and
Speaker 1: Juliet right, so um hopefully, yeah, I hope right for
Speaker 1: a for a real life Portuguese person hearing it from
Speaker 1: a couple of Americans, I hope we did it justice.
Speaker 1: We do our best, so yeah, tell us what you
Speaker 1: thought of it. Yeah, please reach back out and thank
Speaker 1: you for messaging us again with that. I hope you're
Speaker 1: talking to your dog. I hope you're walking your dog
Speaker 1: right now, and then you can lean down and pet
Speaker 1: him for us. Yeah, a little scrap, that's really all
Speaker 1: I care about. Um. So we got this email from
Speaker 1: someone and it's a really wonderful personal story, and so
Speaker 1: they asked us to keep their name out of it. Um,
Speaker 1: so we're just going to call her h thanks, thanks
Speaker 1: h And it's like made me cry a little bit
Speaker 1: because it's just so wonderful. So I'm very excited to
Speaker 1: share this one with one. H says hi Eli and Diana.
Speaker 1: I'm a new listener to your show. I wanted to
Speaker 1: reach out to you and let you know how impressed
Speaker 1: I was with your episode on Lily and Gerda. So
Speaker 1: she's talking about our Lily. Elb and Gerda beganer two
Speaker 1: parter where um, we were talking about the first woman
Speaker 1: to get a gender confirmation surgery in Lely. L h says,
Speaker 1: I wasn't familiar with the story before I listened to it,
Speaker 1: but Lily's story really resonated with me. I dated someone
Speaker 1: from high school through my first year of college. I
Speaker 1: am assis woman, and when we were together, she identified
Speaker 1: as a boy named Jamie, not their real name, and
Speaker 1: we were so in love and had so much in common.
Speaker 1: I thought we would be together forever. When Jamie went
Speaker 1: to college, she began taking a class on gender and sexuality.
Speaker 1: She came home to see me one weekend, just dying
Speaker 1: to tell me this secret that she thought would destroy
Speaker 1: our relationship. I begged her all night to tell me.
Speaker 1: I did my best to reassure her that I would
Speaker 1: be there to love and support her. All kinds of
Speaker 1: terrible things are running through my mind, like was she
Speaker 1: a murderer? Was she an alien from another planet? That's
Speaker 1: so tough when someone tells you like I have something
Speaker 1: to tell you that's going to change your opinion of me,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to tell you, and then you're
Speaker 1: just left hanging like there's so many options there. What
Speaker 1: could change my opinion of Are you d B Cooper?
Speaker 1: You know I didn't cross my mind? Is an option
Speaker 1: first placed? Next time, I'm gonna cheese, I'm gonna cheose
Speaker 1: a conversation with you. So you think I'm dB Cooper.
Speaker 1: I would have a lot of questions if you were
Speaker 1: dB Cooper. First of all, ain't no way you're jumping
Speaker 1: out of a plane. No, you so right. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: why you'll never jump out of a plane because you
Speaker 1: did once and it didn't go so it's like good
Speaker 1: cover for me. I'm like, I'd never jumped out of
Speaker 1: a plane. Also, I'd be like, where's the money? Can
Speaker 1: we talk about where the money is? Please listen? If
Speaker 1: there's nothing like putting your assets on ice? Okay, she says.
Speaker 1: Finally she blurred it out, I'm a cross dresser. I
Speaker 1: breathed out a side relief. That's it, she says. I
Speaker 1: hugged her tight. We sat and talked for hours about
Speaker 1: how she came to this conclusion and what this meant,
Speaker 1: and honestly, I wasn't worried at all. I looked at
Speaker 1: my boyfriend with curly brown hair and warm eyes. Nothing
Speaker 1: had changed for me. I guess I had noticed that
Speaker 1: he liked to dress up and win in's clothing as
Speaker 1: a joke, and had once begged me to let him
Speaker 1: try on my prom dress. It was nothing we couldn't
Speaker 1: work through. Time passed, and Jamie continued to learn more
Speaker 1: about herself. She grew her hair long and tied it
Speaker 1: back in a ponytail. She bought skinny jeans, buttoned down shirts,
Speaker 1: and slim sports jackets. She would wear women's clothing in private.
Speaker 1: She wanted to try going out, but was terrified of
Speaker 1: what would happen or how people might react. I tried
Speaker 1: to be as supportive and understanding as I could, although
Speaker 1: as a seventeen year old in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: I felt very out of my depth. And I can't
Speaker 1: even imagine the dumb ship I would have said as
Speaker 1: a seventeen year old in two thousand nine, like, there's
Speaker 1: no way I would have done that. Well, let's be fair,
Speaker 1: you were not a seventeen year old in two thousand nine.
Speaker 1: But if I had been in this scenario well, both
Speaker 1: when I was seventeen and even in the year two
Speaker 1: thousand nine when I was older than that. Um, I yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't have the information, the education that I have
Speaker 1: now about how to have responded that. I think I
Speaker 1: would have been cool. I like to think, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: I would also like to think that definitely learned a
Speaker 1: lot since then. We all we all have h says.
Speaker 1: From time to time, we would have honest conversations about
Speaker 1: how we felt about Jamie's changes and how we felt
Speaker 1: about our relationship. For a while, we pretended that it
Speaker 1: changed nothing. We still assumed that Jamie would propose to
Speaker 1: me when she graduated college, and that we would marry
Speaker 1: when I graduated college. We would eventually purchase her family
Speaker 1: home and have children. I found myself beginning to wonder
Speaker 1: how I would explain Jamie to our future children. Our
Speaker 1: future wasn't nearly as cut and dried as it used
Speaker 1: to be, and I felt selfish and ashamed of how
Speaker 1: much that scared me. During many of our conversations, Jamie
Speaker 1: would swear to me that she would never transition, that
Speaker 1: although she felt her gender was fluid, she would not
Speaker 1: identify as a woman. She did not think of herself
Speaker 1: as a gay or bisexual man, and was not attracted
Speaker 1: to men in any way. I know there are a
Speaker 1: man any things I did not do right during the
Speaker 1: course of our relationship, but even as a teenager, I
Speaker 1: knew not to let Jamie make this promise. You're still
Speaker 1: learning what this means for you, I would say, we
Speaker 1: both are. Let's just take it one day at a time.
Speaker 1: After I went to college, Jamie and I inevitably drifted apart.
Speaker 1: We broke up during Thanksgiving break of my freshman year,
Speaker 1: and we didn't speak much after that. Jamie went on
Speaker 1: to become a computer engineering wizard and eventually moved to NYC.
Speaker 1: She eventually came out as a trans woman. Since then,
Speaker 1: I have been cheering her on from afar, but was
Speaker 1: afraid to reach out. As time passed, I felt as
Speaker 1: if my wonderful experience of first love was invalidated because
Speaker 1: my boyfriend decided to identify as a woman. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: felt that Jamie had tried to steal my role as
Speaker 1: a woman, whatever the hell that means, and it made
Speaker 1: me feel ashamed for being so selfish. I would look
Speaker 1: back on pictures and memories and wonder if any of
Speaker 1: it was real. Your episode on Lily and Gerda was
Speaker 1: such a godsend because it helped me see that my
Speaker 1: relationship with Jamie was real and loving just like their's.
Speaker 1: Like Gerda, I wanted Jamie to be happy, even if
Speaker 1: that meant eventually losing her. We didn't handle everything perfectly,
Speaker 1: but we did our best and treated each other with love, respect,
Speaker 1: and kindness until the end. I'm sorry this email is
Speaker 1: so long, but I wanted to let you know that
Speaker 1: I felt you two were speaking directly to me and
Speaker 1: it made me feel like my experience mattered. Thank you
Speaker 1: again for your wonderful podcast. Sincerely, H. Well, don't apologize, H.
Speaker 1: That was well written and really powerful email, and we're
Speaker 1: really glad we got that. I think this is such
Speaker 1: a really important conversation to have as people are getting
Speaker 1: more in touch and being more real about who they
Speaker 1: are and their gender expression. And I think there's several
Speaker 1: relationships that are like Lilian Gerda's, where there's a lot
Speaker 1: of love, but at some point you're going you're not
Speaker 1: the same person, and that does change to an extent,
Speaker 1: doesn't it your attraction, your desire, your companionship. I mean
Speaker 1: everything would change somewhat. I mean, maybe not. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it just depends on the person and the couple.
Speaker 1: And some people are very like, there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: being uh, with knowing the rigidity of your sexuality, right.
Speaker 1: I when we got together, we were heteronormative couple, and
Speaker 1: that's what I need, Like, you know, and if you're
Speaker 1: someone if you are transitioning, if you discover this about yourself,
Speaker 1: I still love and support you. I feel that. But
Speaker 1: I you know, if I was in a relationship with
Speaker 1: a woman who transitioned and was actually a man, you know,
Speaker 1: I would say, well, I'm not I don't have romantic
Speaker 1: attractions to men, right, I think I don't know? Right,
Speaker 1: how could I know? And that's the kind of what
Speaker 1: you just have to feel out on an individual level.
Speaker 1: It must be because I've definitely seen ones to where
Speaker 1: there's transitions and they stayed together and it's no problem
Speaker 1: and every looks fine. So absolut lutely I think it
Speaker 1: can happen either way. But it feels like kind of
Speaker 1: a I don't know, an experience that must feel very
Speaker 1: lonely because it's hard to talk about and I feel
Speaker 1: like she says she feels really bad for all her
Speaker 1: feelings about it, because some of them feel like they're
Speaker 1: coming from maybe a transphobic place where like a place
Speaker 1: of not understanding, and you're like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be that person. That's of course I don't. But that's
Speaker 1: that's coming up for me. What do I do with that?
Speaker 1: Who do I talk to? There's no one to say
Speaker 1: this too, and I don't. I feel like a bad person.
Speaker 1: That's just all I've got. So that's a that's a
Speaker 1: sad thing I think too. When we talked about Lily
Speaker 1: and Gerda, you know, we even talked about a little
Speaker 1: bit how Lily was very strict about gender roles. Lily
Speaker 1: herself was like, I need to pass as a woman,
Speaker 1: or I'm not a woman. I need to have women's
Speaker 1: reproductive organs, or I'm not a woman. And women don't
Speaker 1: marry women. Women are not with women. That's not a
Speaker 1: thing that happens. So I have to find a man.
Speaker 1: A long time ago, right, it was the thirties. There's
Speaker 1: still a lot of gay stuff going on. No, definitely,
Speaker 1: But in terms of just like what support system would
Speaker 1: she have had to try and explore a different lifestyle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if Gerda felt the same way
Speaker 1: about like, well, you're a woman now and I'm not
Speaker 1: attracted to women that way. Um, so I feel like
Speaker 1: you're my sister and we'll just have a different relationship
Speaker 1: than we did, or if Gerda was even in her
Speaker 1: mind going, oh, I thought we were good, but you
Speaker 1: feel like that's not what a woman does, so we
Speaker 1: can't be together anymore. So that might have been some
Speaker 1: heartache as well. I like your idea about what a
Speaker 1: woman is is so rigid and what a woman does
Speaker 1: is so rigid that you can't be as free with
Speaker 1: your new gender expression and as well as you couldn't
Speaker 1: be free with your old gender expression either because you
Speaker 1: were having this dysmorphia going on. So that's the that's
Speaker 1: sort of the extra tragedy to me about Lily's story
Speaker 1: is that extra layer of like, well, if I'm going
Speaker 1: to do this, I have to dress this way, I
Speaker 1: have to act this way, I have to be this
Speaker 1: type of presentation. It's tough, um. And of course we
Speaker 1: can only speak to it as sis people you know,
Speaker 1: outside looking in and from what we've read and learned
Speaker 1: and and listened and heard um. But so I can't
Speaker 1: know what that experience is like, but I can know
Speaker 1: that it's easy to uh, to validate that experience and
Speaker 1: support it. It's not hard. Genders super fluid and a
Speaker 1: lot a lot of the times. What I imagine is
Speaker 1: the idea is just like, well, because gender is a construct, right,
Speaker 1: it's what a woman is. We made that up, right,
Speaker 1: Like you wear dresses, you have long hair, you wear makeup,
Speaker 1: you wear heels. You know a lot of his presentation,
Speaker 1: some of its behavior, but it's all we decided these things, right,
Speaker 1: and like not consciously. I didn't decide that at any
Speaker 1: point in my life, but it's the world I was
Speaker 1: born into, and we all kind of social contract style, uh,
Speaker 1: sort of have this idea. And I think it's great
Speaker 1: that we're like bending that idea and kind of breaking
Speaker 1: it down a little because it's so absurd. There's no
Speaker 1: there's no law there, there's no nature. When you say, like,
Speaker 1: by nature, women are this and men are that. No,
Speaker 1: they're not. That's insane. Um. By nature, we're all naked,
Speaker 1: you know, so so it's it's that's silly, um. And
Speaker 1: also we it is our own nature to create an
Speaker 1: advance and change and if and we have a lot
Speaker 1: of medicine and things that we do to our bodies,
Speaker 1: either surgically or medicinally. Uh, which, hey, that's nature too
Speaker 1: because we can do that and we are nature. So anyway,
Speaker 1: it's just it's a very clear cut and dry scenario
Speaker 1: to me that gender is fluid and people are exploring that,
Speaker 1: and I think that's awesome. And in fucking twenty years,
Speaker 1: if a bunch of people who you know are teenagers
Speaker 1: now grow up and say you never should have let
Speaker 1: me done that, then we'll have another conversation. But for
Speaker 1: adults now to be coming in and saying, kids, you
Speaker 1: can't explore your gender, funk off, Like, are you kidding me? Well,
Speaker 1: some people now saying that it should be illegal at
Speaker 1: any age to take a hormone therapy or any any
Speaker 1: transition type surgery or anything, which is it's outrageous. It's outrageous. Nuts,
Speaker 1: it's outrageous, And message me. I will tell you why
Speaker 1: it's outrageous. He'll write you a very long message. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: and honestly, yeah, it's this podcast. You know what side
Speaker 1: we're on. I don't think we have any fine, I
Speaker 1: don't energy. I mean that spitefully, like honestly, like if
Speaker 1: you are someone who as I mean honestly when I
Speaker 1: talk about two thousand nine and when I was seventeen
Speaker 1: years old and these things, I definitely had different opinions
Speaker 1: about this kind of stuff than I do now. And
Speaker 1: I'm glad to have learned, because who the fund doesn't
Speaker 1: like learning? Who? Why? Why the hell would I want
Speaker 1: to be the same person now that I was at
Speaker 1: seventeen years old? My god, thank god, I'm not the same.
Speaker 1: So if you know, if you genuinely like I want
Speaker 1: to think differently but I just can't figure it out,
Speaker 1: I will totally have that conversation with you again the
Speaker 1: best of my ability. I'm not going to be right
Speaker 1: about everything, but well, yeah, and again it was like
Speaker 1: a good faith conversation. I don't want to any like
Speaker 1: essentialism about what kind of vagina you have. It's not
Speaker 1: interested in that conversation at all. But but yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just it's just so interesting to see how many times
Speaker 1: in human history we've up ended gender. And women were like,
Speaker 1: I'm aware of pants, and football players were like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take ballet, and you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: David Bowie's out here where in dresses and people are
Speaker 1: like it's sexy and Prince is sort of non binary
Speaker 1: and everyone want to fuck him and like it's just
Speaker 1: and that that's all about your gender expression, right, It's like,
Speaker 1: how what clothes am I wearing? What do I want
Speaker 1: you to think of me when you look at me?
Speaker 1: I don't want you to quite be able to put
Speaker 1: me in a box. And so that was sort of
Speaker 1: the vibe of that, I think, but it was a
Speaker 1: lot of chafing at and we don't like that, Like
Speaker 1: human beings do not like a cage, even if it's
Speaker 1: an invisible one. We chafe at that. And we'll find
Speaker 1: a way too to bend that ship, you know. And
Speaker 1: and it's there's something about identity to that, like you know,
Speaker 1: if you're assist person, of course you can't wrap your
Speaker 1: head around that's what it's like to be a transperse.
Speaker 1: Of course you can't. I can't. You can't, And that's fine.
Speaker 1: You can think of that and go wow, I certainly
Speaker 1: could never be decided to be a woman, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a not how it works, and be of course
Speaker 1: you can't because you're not. But if you've ever had
Speaker 1: something about yourself or just a truth that you knew
Speaker 1: that was just like clawing inside of you to get out.
Speaker 1: Like that's a very difficult life to live and and
Speaker 1: it could be about any you just find something small
Speaker 1: and and just blow that up. Try to try to
Speaker 1: make it proportionate to what someone might be experiencing, you know,
Speaker 1: live ving in what they feel like is not their
Speaker 1: own body. That's right. And every day, in countless ways,
Speaker 1: people are getting you wrong yes yeah, and telling you
Speaker 1: you're wrong about yourself, that they know you better than
Speaker 1: you do. Come on, stop that, people, just stop. It's
Speaker 1: not hard. It's not going to change your life in
Speaker 1: the slightest. That's the other thing too, It will not
Speaker 1: more than likely not at all affect you. I promise.
Speaker 1: Thank you again to Age for this beautiful email. It
Speaker 1: was wonderfully written. You're so honest, You're so vulnerable with us,
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate that. That means a lot that
Speaker 1: that episode touched you so much and spoke to you
Speaker 1: so much. I think that's a really important experience to
Speaker 1: highlight and thank you for sharing it with us. Well,
Speaker 1: we better take a break, yeah, um, and we will
Speaker 1: come back with a couple more messages. Right after these messages, Hey, everybody,
Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. I'm just still thinking that
Speaker 1: we should have given everyone a funny voice. I think
Speaker 1: I think historical voices are hilarious, but our contemporaries will
Speaker 1: We'll leave them. We'll just leave them alone. Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 1: Imagine that all of these emails have people reading them,
Speaker 1: just voices so beautiful that we can't replicate them. The
Speaker 1: beautiful They're like Shakespearean actors. We are not doing them justice. Absolutely. Um. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we got an email from Rachel, uh subject line
Speaker 1: excellent podcast. A little clue, then pun in the subject line,
Speaker 1: this is Marty and Rachel. She says, hello there. I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan of the show and I've been listening
Speaker 1: from the beginning. Y'all are the cutest and I adore
Speaker 1: your banter, absolute hashtag couple of goals. I'm blushing. In
Speaker 1: The Giant Dick That Changed Chinese History Forever, episode, Diana
Speaker 1: at a joke about using eggs instead of rice flour
Speaker 1: for construction because they're so difficult to scrape out of
Speaker 1: the pan. True. I live in Prague, where the most
Speaker 1: iconic site is probably the Charles Bridge. Heard of it,
Speaker 1: never been there, but dying to go. It has long
Speaker 1: been believed that eggs were used in the mortar when
Speaker 1: it was created. There is even one village, Velvety that
Speaker 1: remains the butt of jokes because it is said that
Speaker 1: when the king requested eggs be donated for the project,
Speaker 1: they sent boiled eggs to prevent breakage. That is amazing.
Speaker 1: Oh you dummy, like, no, it's the yolk we wanted you,
Speaker 1: bastard Velvey. They want us to send eggs, well, jeeze,
Speaker 1: but we don't want us send broken eggs. Got it?
Speaker 1: Got a perfect idea. Rachel goes on to say modern
Speaker 1: testing has shown that there are egg proteins in the
Speaker 1: fourteenth century Lime, More, confirming the long held belief Diana
Speaker 1: was onto something with her suggestion of eggs as a
Speaker 1: construction material. Look at that regular engineer. Yeah, who said
Speaker 1: I couldn't engineer, and probably a lot of my teachers.
Speaker 1: I'm an idea girl, okay, Rachel says, I'm including a
Speaker 1: picture of my pug. Thank you. If there's ever a
Speaker 1: pet to be included, please include that. Send a picture
Speaker 1: of your pets, please, but this one at a special point,
Speaker 1: Rachel says, pugs were originally lapdogs for Chinese royalty, and
Speaker 1: it's believed Chin Chi Wang destroyed the written records of
Speaker 1: how they were created. As someone who loves the breed
Speaker 1: and is a major proponent of rescue, this is probably
Speaker 1: for the best, very true. We don't need to make
Speaker 1: more of these poor dogs. They can't even breathe like.
Speaker 1: That is so cute, though, looking forward to hearing you
Speaker 1: cover all the ridiculous romances the world has to offer
Speaker 1: Rachel and Murphy the pug he s. I also love
Speaker 1: all the fringe talk. I knew there had to be
Speaker 1: one of y'all. I didn't mind all that. I've been
Speaker 1: an avid fringe attendant since I was a teen, as
Speaker 1: the festival coincided with my birthday. When I lived in
Speaker 1: the States, I had a tradition of celebrating with a
Speaker 1: fringe nerd lesque show. Nerd Lesque is so fun. It's
Speaker 1: like nerdy burlesque. It's un Actually, this year, when we
Speaker 1: did five Fists Back to the Future, one of those
Speaker 1: burlesque performers created a doc Brown thinking cat from the fifties.
Speaker 1: That so cool, and she was like, I actually already
Speaker 1: do a Dalek burlesque number, and now she wants to
Speaker 1: do like a sexy doc Doc Brown, which I would love.
Speaker 1: I just love it. So anyway, look up nerd lesque
Speaker 1: if there's one in your area. It's definitely worth seeing.
Speaker 1: Rachel says Progus Fringe is in late summer. If you're
Speaker 1: okay with lots of animals, I'm always happy to host.
Speaker 1: First of all, I insist on lots of animals. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: If I'm not a puppy pile or kitty pile, I
Speaker 1: don't want to go. Absolutely no. This is great. This
Speaker 1: is actually amazing because from listeners so far, we're staying
Speaker 1: with Robert Smith, not from the Cure in Scotland, between
Speaker 1: Glasgow and Edinburgh. We're standing in Munich and getting a
Speaker 1: beer with Elaney Papadopolis. We're going to Singapore to see
Speaker 1: Dominica and then we're going to stay in Prague with
Speaker 1: Rachel and Murphy the Pug. So we already have a
Speaker 1: world tour going. We've got to get on this. We
Speaker 1: need to find some folks in France, need a couple
Speaker 1: of London and Ireland. So if you're out there, let's
Speaker 1: talk about Canada. Don't forget the big write in letter
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Speaker 1: put us on a world tour. World's are miracle at
Speaker 1: street like bags of mail coming in. They're just gonna
Speaker 1: dump them out and be like everyone all over the
Speaker 1: world is demanding a live world tour of ridiculous romance.
Speaker 1: That's what we need to happen. Who even writes a
Speaker 1: letter anymore, that's how passionate they are pen to paper.
Speaker 1: All right, this is a really important email we got
Speaker 1: from the Hobo Demon. This one was an email, and
Speaker 1: the Hobo Demon decided to help us out with our
Speaker 1: Anti Oakley episode because we talked about the possibility that
Speaker 1: maybe Annie Oakley died from lead poisoning from all her
Speaker 1: time around the bullets. Well, and of course there was
Speaker 1: the idea that uh sometimes shot could get into food
Speaker 1: and that could poison you. It was a whole thing. Well,
Speaker 1: the Hobo Demon sent us an incredibly long and detailed
Speaker 1: description of quote good news and bad news about the
Speaker 1: possibility that Anti Oakby died of lead poisoning. The good
Speaker 1: news is that the effects of lead poisoning are highly
Speaker 1: dependent on what kind of lead you're going to be
Speaker 1: exposed to. In particular, water soluble lead salts for carry
Speaker 1: on birds such as vultures and condors, because they digest
Speaker 1: things using stronger assets than humans. Using a parasitic acid
Speaker 1: solution mixed from vinegar and hydrogen peroxide, the waste from
Speaker 1: that is the flagration of the fuel air mixture, would
Speaker 1: be efficiently converted into which rings me to part three
Speaker 1: of this little essay. We can be somewhat confident that
Speaker 1: Annie Oakley didn't suffer lead tensions. Exposure to damage a
Speaker 1: person's capacity to do people in good involves exposed. Understanding
Speaker 1: of lead poisoning as advanced in the last few decades
Speaker 1: enough that we consider my older cases of low enough
Speaker 1: now that we could have considered everyone alive during the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies to be afflicted. And then to wrap it up,
Speaker 1: he says, sorry that got rambily. The summary I'd endorsed
Speaker 1: for thirty seconds or less is Ariosolized lead from poorly
Speaker 1: ventilated indoor ranges or cars in the twentieth century are
Speaker 1: more harmful than eating lead, but still don't do it.
Speaker 1: Annie Oakley probably died of something else. It takes a
Speaker 1: lot of lead poisoning to be fatal, and there are
Speaker 1: plenty of ways survivable illnesses can still leave a person destroyed,
Speaker 1: but nothing we know about Antiokley's life suggests that she
Speaker 1: was suffering more than the average person of her era
Speaker 1: from lead poisoning. Well, thank you. I did not expect
Speaker 1: a college course in lead poisoning, but I am I
Speaker 1: learned something in that even too. I know we just
Speaker 1: gave you all this summary, but no, yeah, there's definitely more.
Speaker 1: Speaking of engineers, I'm getting engineer vibes from the Hobo Demon.
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm gonna be very thorough give you everything.
Speaker 1: Possibly physicist, possibly doctor doctor, I don't know, scientists of
Speaker 1: some kind, smart one t one what I'm getting here
Speaker 1: than demon? Absolutely thank you Hobo Demon for sending that.
Speaker 1: And now we can say definitively that Annie Oakley did
Speaker 1: not die of lead poisoning. Heard it here first, What
Speaker 1: is our story? And we're sticking to us and Hobo
Speaker 1: Demon correct the age old mystery of Annie freaking Oakley's death.
Speaker 1: All right, and our final message for this mail bag
Speaker 1: episode is going to be from Jed Salts, who reached
Speaker 1: out through email to say just a note to let
Speaker 1: you know I enjoy your podcast very much. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Some favorites are Frederick Douglas. Awesome, Calico, Jack and Maximilian
Speaker 1: and Carlotta. Thank you, Jed. Obviously, you may be interested
Speaker 1: to know that Passeo de la Reforma was originally Pasto
Speaker 1: de la Imperatrees to honor Carlotta. This main boulevard was
Speaker 1: laid out by Maximilian to connect Mexico City Center with
Speaker 1: their palace at Chapoltepec Castle. Awesome. That is really interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was. I mean, you know, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of love for these two and they did get some
Speaker 1: some things named after them. I did not know about
Speaker 1: this reforma. Uh. He ends with there are other good
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Speaker 1: love them all. I'm sure they're great. I love that
Speaker 1: those are Those are great some of my favorite episodes too. Honestly, now,
Speaker 1: I'm so glad to hear that someone loved Frederick Douglas
Speaker 1: because I was so like blown away by what I
Speaker 1: learned about Frederick Douglas. Had no idea what a ladies man,
Speaker 1: I know too much. Ladies well, and also it was
Speaker 1: just inspiring to be like, look how many women were
Speaker 1: just like, you know what, I'm gonna do this. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do a local sewing circle with fourteen other women,
Speaker 1: and you know what, We're going to change the freaking world.
Speaker 1: It's going to take a few years, but damn it,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it. These are amazing, These messages coming
Speaker 1: in all the time, don't stop, you don't love them,
Speaker 1: will run across the house. I think I've said that
Speaker 1: before too, to be like yeahs ye ye and um.
Speaker 1: And this is just a piece of what we have
Speaker 1: to bring to you. We'll be doing more episodes like
Speaker 1: these occasionally. I mean, you know, we we love our stories,
Speaker 1: but we love your stories. So that's so cool when
Speaker 1: when you get to add to the show like this
Speaker 1: with your own, your own voice. Thank you, Thank you everyone,
Speaker 1: Thank you all for writing in. Even if we didn't
Speaker 1: get to your message, I promised you that it brought
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