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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you all for joining us on this emergency episode.

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Speaker 2: You have Dustin Ross and myself where we are going

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Speaker 2: to talk about what has been trending on Twitter since

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Speaker 2: last night, and that is the Basketball Wives situation that

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Speaker 2: happened between Jackie Christie and her daughter Chantelle. I said,

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Speaker 2: before we get into that actual moment, you and I

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Speaker 2: have been watching Basketball Wives for so many years, the

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Speaker 2: Miami version, the La version.

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Speaker 3: They decided to collapse both and just make it into one.

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Speaker 2: And Jackie Christi to me, is like the face of

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Speaker 2: this new sort of like reboot.

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Speaker 3: If you will love the show.

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Speaker 2: And what I want to talk to you first about

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Speaker 2: is what are your thoughts on this season overall? Because

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Speaker 2: I'm fully caught up this is one show that I

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Speaker 2: have made sure to maybe not watch live because we

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Speaker 2: tape our show on my day, so I do watch

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Speaker 2: it the next day. But Basketballise this season has been

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Speaker 2: appointment television.

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Speaker 4: It absolutely has it. Not just this season, Carlos last

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Speaker 4: season as well. They're on a two season run and

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Speaker 4: two seasons high. There were things I like and things

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Speaker 4: I didn't like. But it's been good nonetheless. And last

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Speaker 4: season I really took a pause and was like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: Basketball Wives again, this shit was good.

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Speaker 5: Brooke was there last season.

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Speaker 4: The ladies looked like Basketball Wives like we remember them looking,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean? It just was good last

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Speaker 4: season and this season has been good too, So I

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Speaker 4: haven't missed an episode. I've watched Basketball Wives, even through

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Speaker 4: the weird pandemic episodes where they were filming in two houses.

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Speaker 4: I've watched Basketball Watch Miami from season one, episode one.

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Speaker 4: I watched Basketball Wives La from season one episode one.

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Speaker 4: And I've definitely kept up with the new iteration of

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Speaker 4: the show. So hell yeah, I remember every Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When you saw that Jackie Christie's daughter was joining the show,

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Speaker 2: what did you think we were expecting? Because Dustin, when

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Speaker 2: I interviewed Jackie Christie. No one knows this, so this

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Speaker 2: is my first time saying this. Okay, exclusive exclusive, you

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Speaker 2: guys get Tuesday exclusive. I interviewed Jackie Christie. This is

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Speaker 2: no live rain drops. I interviewed her ten minutes before

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Speaker 2: the trailer came out.

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Speaker 5: Wow, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: And in the trailer we saw the sort of friction

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Speaker 2: between her and Chantelle, her daughter, and we saw how

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Speaker 2: the trailer ended with Jackie, you know, doing that and

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Speaker 2: it faded to black. So I'm on the way to

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Speaker 2: the interview to see the legend Jackie Christie, and I'm

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Speaker 2: watching the trailer and I could tell that Jackie just

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Speaker 2: watched it too. If you watch my interview with Jackie,

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Speaker 2: you know, Jackie's a fire, cracking all those things. But

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Speaker 2: I could tell she was. She was in a different space,

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Speaker 2: a different kids space. And that's why, guys, if you

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Speaker 2: watch my Jackie Christie exclusive, you would see a woman

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Speaker 2: that wasn't to me herself.

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Speaker 3: It was a fun interview.

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Speaker 2: She was right, but she was very careful with her words,

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Speaker 2: and she also just she was very distracted. And I

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Speaker 2: do believe it was because when you're filming, you don't

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Speaker 2: surprise was the fact that, oh shit, this is about

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Speaker 2: to go down. But Dustin, when you saw the trailer

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Speaker 5: This is a recipe for disaster. That was what I thought.

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Speaker 4: I knew it was only one place that that could

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Speaker 4: go her being cast on this show, and that was

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Speaker 4: straight to hell. Remember Chantelle, this is not her first appearance.

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Speaker 4: First of all, Chantela is absolutely beautiful, right, that gorgeous,

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Speaker 4: She also has a beautiful, beautiful baby boy that we

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Speaker 5: She's married.

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Speaker 4: Now, this is a new version of Jackie Christie's daughter.

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Speaker 4: This is Chantale and the fullness of her personality. Right,

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Speaker 4: But I remember when Chantelle was on the show previously.

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Speaker 4: Jackie has a checkered past with a lot of rumors

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Speaker 4: to her relationship with Chantale. And I remember when Chantelle

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Speaker 5: So I already.

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Speaker 4: Knew when I saw her being cast, I saw no

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Speaker 2: No, I knew that if you got her daughter on

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Speaker 2: the show based on the scenes that Dustin has outlined.

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Speaker 2: Because what we're no stranger to if you are true

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Speaker 2: Basketball Wives fans is Chantell has been on the show before.

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Speaker 2: Chantelle has always made accusations that she didn't have the

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Speaker 2: best childhood. Chantale spoke, they were in a therapy session,

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Speaker 2: right Dustin, with Chantale, the other daughter and Jackie. They

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Speaker 2: were talking and of course I'm paraphrasing, but Chantelle felt

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Speaker 2: that Jackie wasn't present as a mother. Jackie felt, you

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Speaker 3: You know, you have food on the table, you have everything.

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Speaker 2: And Chantelle's gripe at that time, this is years ago,

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Speaker 3: We wanted you, we didn't want the material.

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Speaker 2: Things, and Jackie was like, I thought, that's what you wanted,

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Speaker 2: which Dustin, I want to dissect there. I think for

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Speaker 2: a lot of parents, especially in our community, when you

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Speaker 2: do grow up with lack, you do overcompensate it when

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Speaker 2: believe that what Chantal was trying to tell Jackie at

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Speaker 3: God, we were talking.

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Speaker 2: About years ago because we have to get the backstory

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Speaker 2: to understand where things led up to the altercation and

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Speaker 2: tells gripe to me was always about Jackie not being

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Speaker 2: from it. Yes, she did talk about some colorism, how

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Speaker 2: and she ed that Jackie. She said to so Laura

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Speaker 2: And she said that to Laura, but she did not,

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Speaker 2: and you're talking, I'm wrong, Dustin. She never said those

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Speaker 5: We never saw her say them on the show.

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Speaker 4: We never saw her say them to Jackie's face, but

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Speaker 4: we did see her express that there was some problems

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Speaker 4: or a rift in their relationship. Obviously, and listen the

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Speaker 4: shit show that we saw last night, because that's what

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Speaker 4: that was. That didn't just come out of nowhere. That

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Speaker 4: type of behavior, right, that type of communication that we

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Speaker 4: that it's coming from somewhere. There's a problem, a serious

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Speaker 5: But heard what you just asked.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that is what happened back when we previously saw

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Speaker 2: So Raindrops, the reason why wanted to bring that up

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Speaker 2: the television show audiences I've seen, and that was it.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm going someplace with that.

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Speaker 2: So again, that's the only thing we saw with Chantelle's

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Speaker 2: presence on the show was accusations of colorism and accusations

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Speaker 2: of Jackie being an absent mother. Fast forward to Chantelle

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Speaker 2: being a full time cast.

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Speaker 3: Member this season.

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Speaker 2: The season started off with Jackie being this doting grandmother and.

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Speaker 3: Chantelle have this very interesting dynamic.

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Speaker 2: Albeit you know, they they it's not joyous, but it

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Speaker 2: wasn't dark, but they were They were fine. Everything appeared

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Speaker 2: to be fine and Dustin I'm trying to reflect on where.

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Speaker 3: Did things go from from.

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Speaker 5: Bad to hell?

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Speaker 4: Well, listen, first of all, based on this season, I

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Speaker 4: can't tell you. I think that what we saw was

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Speaker 4: Chantelle come on this show with an agenda. Chantel came

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Speaker 5: Of way, whatever way it was. She came on this

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Speaker 4: If conflict did arise, I don't think she set out

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Speaker 5: That were shocking to watch. Right.

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Speaker 4: We also saw her she broke a lot of black codes,

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Speaker 5: With the way that she kind of engaged with her mama.

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Speaker 4: This season letting these people have strong opinions about problems

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Speaker 4: and then challenge and confront your mama about some shit

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Speaker 4: between you and her. When they're by girls, I mean

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Speaker 4: Britney Renner okay, and the girl Denise right, both of

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Speaker 4: them set up there all seasoned and disrespected the fuck

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Speaker 4: out of Jackie Christy in front of chantal. Listen, I've

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Speaker 4: been upset with my parents before. I've had tough conversations

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Speaker 4: with my parents before. But that shit right there, letting

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Speaker 4: somebody cuss your mama and your daddy out, Carlos, I

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Speaker 4: love you with all my heart, bro, and you know

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Speaker 4: I got your back to the end, But me being

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Speaker 4: conversation out if you had a problem with them, That's

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Speaker 4: not what friendship looks like. You have a respect and

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Speaker 4: a reverence for other people's parents. That's just black code.

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Speaker 4: That's the way it worked. Also, when you do have

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Speaker 4: discuss that may be kind of tough to talk about

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Speaker 4: with your parents. There's a way that you do it,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. There's a way that you

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Speaker 4: do it. There's a way that you can say things

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Speaker 4: crossing certain lines of disrespect.

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Speaker 5: And I don't care what nobody says.

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Speaker 4: Jackie Christy has irritated the fuck out of me from

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Speaker 4: day one of my introduction to her on Basketball Wives La.

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Speaker 5: She has gotten on my last nerves.

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Speaker 4: Great TV, polarizing figure, can't take your eyes off of her,

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Speaker 4: but she's gotten on my last damn nerves. Okay, However,

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Speaker 4: It didn't look right. We didn't like seeing it. Nobody

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Speaker 3: Not getting involved in this.

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Speaker 2: If you felt that way about your mama, you had

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Speaker 2: To me, it wasn't until you were a gone by

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Speaker 5: Say Carlos, stay the funk out of it.

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Speaker 5: Respect that give you room for that.

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Speaker 4: That does not give you license to cuss Jackie Christie

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Speaker 4: that was completely out of line. That girl Denise too.

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Speaker 4: That's why I was so glad when Evelyn checked her

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Speaker 5: But it's a way to do it. Chantale.

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Speaker 4: You want to check your mama, you want to talk

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Speaker 5: Me, who don't like her, who can't stand her, and

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Speaker 4: This case, and on a show where family daughters, children

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Speaker 5: Oh, if Jackie come down here is gonna be war.

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Speaker 4: Having anything to say, because Evelyn is so close with

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Speaker 5: But that shit was fucked up.

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Speaker 4: Brittany made it one hundred percent words. She was totally

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Speaker 4: out of line, even involving herself period, Totally out of line, completely, Chantel,

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Speaker 4: You're entitled to your feelings about your mama. We don't

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Speaker 5: Let's not even talk about getting physical.

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Speaker 3: Who knows? Well, yeah, who in.

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Speaker 5: The fuck pushes they?

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Speaker 2: Mama?

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Speaker 5: When did we start doing that?

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Speaker 2: And I think before that we get to that dust

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Speaker 2: the record show I'm with Dustin. I believe Chantelle's experience

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Speaker 3: The problem is this based on the structure of a

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Speaker 2: Jackie Christie is the force multiplier, a legend, and she

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Speaker 3: She understands what.

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Speaker 2: This is and and Chantill, in my opinion, I do

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Speaker 5: You don't know what it is?

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Speaker 3: Yep, I think Jackie.

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Speaker 2: To me, Jackie was like, they don't know what it is,

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Speaker 3: And you're one of them.

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Speaker 2: Two who are on Jackie's side because we saw Jackie

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Speaker 2: Justin's right, My mama makes you rest in police, black woman.

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Speaker 2: I've never called my mother Gail what.

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Speaker 3: I've never called my mother by her first name.

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Speaker 3: So I'm nineteen years old.

439
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 2: Working at the Touchy Fried Chicken and part time at

440
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: missus phil Cookies at the east Land Mall in Detroit, Michick.

441
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 5: Yes, uh huh huh, So, Dustin.

442
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 2: I'm looking for my black leather jacket. I couldn't find it,

443
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 2: I said, Mom, was my jacket? Oh, your cousin took it,

444
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 2: dust It, I said, And you let him take my jacket?

445
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 3: I and your son and you are my mother nesting?

446
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: I know. I had a a hand on my throat

447
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: by my father, Yeah, who choked me, put me down

448
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: and said, don't you ever speak to your mother that way.

449
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: I'm like teen, and I'm like, get off for me,

450
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 2: And he said, you will never speak to your mother

451
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: that way. And guess what, at nineteen years old, I

452
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: never did.

453
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 3: Was the first time and the only time.

454
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 2: The constant words of bitch that Shantelle used to her mother.

455
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 3: Was too much for me, if that's youall dynamics off camera,

456
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 3: maybe it is.

457
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 2: But again, Jackie is smart enough to know if that

458
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: is y'all dynamics behind the scenes calling each other bitches,

459
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 2: because that that may be your relationship. Jackie was smart enough,

460
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 2: in the words of Meani, not to.

461
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 4: Do it right if I did choke somebody, yeah, you know, I.

462
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm a person who believes in sane

463
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 5: what you have to say.

464
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,239
Speaker 4: If you have a voice, especially as an adult, you

465
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 4: have a right to voice your opinion, even to your mother, right,

466
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 4: But there's a way that you do it.

467
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 5: And that what we saw last night, that just wasn't it.

468
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 5: That was not cool.

469
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 4: Chantelle was wrong as hell, and I don't know what

470
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 4: she thought was gonna happen after literally provoking Jackie NonStop,

471
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 4: and just the scenes that we saw those, you know

472
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 4: that they shot way more than what we saw, right,

473
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 4: So there was obviously more antagonizing going on, and you

474
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 4: decided to push your mama.

475
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 5: Jackie rocked her shit, as she should have.

476
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 4: That's what happened to me when I saw Jackie here her,

477
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, it's about time. It's

478
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 4: about time, because you cussing your mama out like that,

479
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 4: putting your hands on her, coming back to start more

480
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 4: of an argument. When Jackie blew her shit out, I

481
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 4: was like, now let's start the conversation.

482
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 3: So let's talk about that. So what we saw rain

483
00:26:58,760 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 3: dropped was.

484
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: Jackie tried two times in her leopard pajamas too.

485
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: Does that they changed clothes? Jackie said, I'm keeping this on.

486
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 5: Okay, she was hot.

487
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 4: She wasn't even thinking about she was pacing in that

488
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 4: room before we saw her. Jackie was upstairs mad than

489
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 4: the motherfucker, chewing gum, cussing on the phone to somebody,

490
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 4: you know she was.

491
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 5: That's why she ain't changed.

492
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 3: She didn't change cloth. Jackie said, I'm saying my room.

493
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 2: The thing for me was the fact that again I'm

494
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: like Dustin said, yes, they shot hours of rain jobs.

495
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 3: We're only talking about what we saw.

496
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 2: What we did see was one attempt of Jackie and

497
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: Chantelle trying to talk about it, and Jackie said, I'm

498
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: doing this for you.

499
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 3: You want to want to want what is it?

500
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: And Chantelle did not verbalize what the issue was because

501
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: Jackie said, after Vegas, we're still beefing. I'm confused, what's

502
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: going on, Talk to me, tell me it didn't happen.

503
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 2: Then she proceees to go to dinner. And in my opinion,

504
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: based on what I saw, was egged on again by

505
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 2: the girls. And I'm rich on the Evelyn piece in

506
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: the sense of, you can't say nothing about Evelyn's daughter

507
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: before you see, you know, another side of her. Uh,

508
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: you'll see the Liberty City side of Evelyn Lozado if

509
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: you say anything about her daughter. And that's why I

510
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: think for the audience justin it is kind of hard

511
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: to digest them being real friends because the gold post

512
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: is always moving all of those women. I'm gonna say it,

513
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: none of us girls will ever talk about Evelyn's daughter

514
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 2: and they know not to. But when it comes to

515
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: Jackie's daughter, I understand she's a part of this show.

516
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 2: But the same ruthe shall apply in sense of Chantelle. That'sha, Mama,

517
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: I'm not getting involved in it. Pass the pork chop.

518
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 4: Who the first person needs to play by them rules

519
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 4: is Shantel Christie. Chantel Christie opened the door for that

520
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 4: disrespect wide open for the cast to disrespect her mother

521
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 4: and have an opinion and involve themselves in their business.

522
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 5: Chantal did that. Chantale introduced that conversation.

523
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: Chantal when she didn't check the first person that had

524
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 4: something to say about her and Jackie beefing.

525
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 5: She opened the door when.

526
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 4: She started those conversations who discussed Jackie with those other

527
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 4: women on the cast. She opened that door. Chantal did that,

528
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 4: and she did it on purpose. It did not seem

529
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 4: to me. I'm not even gonna be nice about it.

530
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 4: Chantel wasn't there to resolved nothing. Chantel came on that

531
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 4: show to embarrass her mother and to challenge her mother,

532
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 4: which is why when Jackie asked her for more context

533
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 4: her to go deeper, she was unable to because all

534
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 4: she was focused on was the confrontational element.

535
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 5: She wanted to confront Jackie and be the one that's

536
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 5: my mother. I know her for real. She and fucking

537
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 5: with y'all for years. I'm the one that's gonna come

538
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 5: on this show and get her ass.

539
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 4: That's what she did. That's what that was her m

540
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 4: O coming on that cast this season.

541
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: I'm reminded now, And this is why you guys have

542
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: to make sure before y'all recap reality shows, you can

543
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 2: actually watch everything.

544
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: Anyways, I digress, So.

545
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 2: I'm gagging rain drops because I with Dustin said he

546
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: feels that Shanta came on the show to expose Jackie,

547
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: and even with Jackie's like what's going on, she had

548
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: nothing to say, but she would talk about her to

549
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: the other girls. I'm reminded that remember when Chantelle told Brandy, oh,

550
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: y'all think, y'all friends, she talks about you before we

551
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: got here. My mama said this about you.

552
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 5: Don't you like her? Now?

553
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 3: Y'all cool?

554
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 5: And I'm like, way mmm mmmm.

555
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: So even when Jackie isn't, oh, my god's that said? Okay, guys, she.

556
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 5: Had been holding that. She had been holding onto that.

557
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 4: And remember, if you paid attention, Brandy kind of tried

558
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 4: to deflect. Brandy never really took that bait, you know

559
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. And even Brandy she wasn't really responsible

560
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: responsive rather to that, and Chantelle doubled down mention that again.

561
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 4: She kept mentioning that to Brandy in that scene that

562
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 4: Jackie talked about her to try to sway her to

563
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 4: have a different, you know, position in the situation. All

564
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 4: of that was intentional, and it reflected an aim of focus.

565
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, It reflected somebody who had

566
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 4: a mission who came on this show to embarrass her mama.

567
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 4: That's what she came on the show to do. And

568
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 4: I don't have anything to say about why she's mad

569
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 4: at her mom, because that's we weren't exposed to that, right,

570
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 4: we haven't seen the things that happen again. Obviously she

571
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 4: arrived at that point from something taking place. But what

572
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 4: we saw is what I have something to say about.

573
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 4: And I did not like that ship we saw. I

574
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 4: did not like that, not actually for the first time

575
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 4: in over a decade, right, I feel sorry for Jackie.

576
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 5: Christie on TV.

577
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: Tell me, well, let me let me get to the altercation.

578
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: And I do, but Dustin, don't let me forget asking

579
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 2: why you felt sorry for her. But what I do

580
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: want to get to first is so the first attempt

581
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: of a one on one between Jackie and Chantella failed.

582
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: Chantaa has dinner.

583
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: I felt she was aged on again by some of

584
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: the girls, not all not all brittant Denise, thank you,

585
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 2: and then she changes her clothes and goes back to

586
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: see her mother and Jackie.

587
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 3: I've watched this scene ten times.

588
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure I look at the nuance,

589
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: Jackie said, I'm giving you pretty much. I'm giving you

590
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: the scene I'm giving. So what Jackie was doing is

591
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: my daughter's on the show. I'm gonna say this, but

592
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Jackie said this to herself. But Jackie

593
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 2: wanted to give her daughter a moment like get you

594
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: get your TV moment on. You want to have a

595
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: conversation with me, fine, and the and and you guys

596
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 2: have to look at the at the at the nuances,

597
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: Jackie asked her tell me what's wrong that opened the

598
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: door and the floor for if Jackie has something to hide,

599
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: in my opinion, she would not have said tell me

600
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: what's wrong?

601
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 3: What did I do? Tell me?

602
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: And that's when Chattel said, it's a rhetorical question.

603
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 4: Jackie, she said, it's a rhetorical yes or no question

604
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 4: if it's a rhetorical question. But anyway, yeah.

605
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: So I was like, your mother is pretty much saying

606
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: to you your only show with me, you need this

607
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: moment where you're on TV.

608
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: I'm a og, I'm the face of this show. Where

609
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: she is to me, what is it, I'm gonna give

610
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: you a moment? What is it?

611
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: And she she kept trying to egg herund and Jackie said,

612
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: I would like for you to leave, because jackieaid at

613
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: the beginning, I'm not gonna leave this high.

614
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get.

615
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: Up at this point, you leave, she exited. She tries

616
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: to leave, Jackie does say the exit looks good on you.

617
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 5: This time.

618
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: She turns back around and then she calls her bad

619
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,439
Speaker 2: mother and and listen, I'm not a mother. I don't

620
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: know what it would feel like to constantly be told

621
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 2: by your daughter your bad mother.

622
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 3: Jackie gets up and like, can you leave.

623
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: That's when Chantelle first put hands on her and pushed her,

624
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: and in my opinion, Jackie gave a reflex, and whether

625
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: it was gave a reflex because remember Dustin when your

626
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 2: black mother and mine did too, said I will slap

627
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: you in the middle of next week, and I told

628
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm other, Mama is Monday, and I would like to

629
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: live to see another week. I don't I don't want

630
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: to go to Wednesday today, Mama, it's Monday. Please don't

631
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: slap me in the middle of next week. I don't

632
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: like Wednesdays. And my mama said, try me again. I

633
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 2: won't and I'm sorry. I believe and for the black

634
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 2: mothers in the group chat. Let me know, I believe

635
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: that was a reflex, right or wrong.

636
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 3: I get it. You should never put your hands your child,

637
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 3: I understand that. And as a child, you should never

638
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: put your hands on your mom.

639
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 2: They both were wrong. But what I'm saying to you

640
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: guys is Jackie got pushed by her daughter. And I

641
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: never pushed my mother to know what she would do.

642
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 2: But I'm pretty sure if I pushed my mother, I

643
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: would be on I will, I will, I would be

644
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: at Wednesday.

645
00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 4: Jackie got pushed by her daughter. After Jackie got cussed

646
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 4: out relentlessly by her daughter, okay for a long time,

647
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 4: got caught all kinds of again, bitches, dumb ass bitches,

648
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 4: stupid ass, bitch, your bad mother, your man gonna leave you.

649
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 4: That's the kind of shit that Chantelle was hurling at

650
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 4: her mother, over and over and over again, right on camera.

651
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 4: So this is gonna make the cut because this is crazy. Okay,

652
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 4: So Jackie was I think dealing with all of that.

653
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 4: We've never never seen Jackie not take an opportunity to

654
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 4: defend herself verbally. Until Chantel came on the show. Jackie

655
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 4: kept disengaging. Person can only take so much, and I

656
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 4: think Jackie said, you know what you've grown. I'm gonna

657
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 4: let you say what you have to say. But her

658
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 4: putting her hands on Jackie was too much, and I

659
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: believe it was a natural reflex for her to rock

660
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 4: her shit the way that she did.

661
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 5: Jackie robbed her as she should have. I don't think

662
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 5: she was wrong.

663
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: I think it's wrong to be violent with any adult,

664
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 4: especially between a mother and child, father and child siblings.

665
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 5: Those are the last people that you need to hit.

666
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 4: But after she had already crossed so many lines of disrespect, Okay,

667
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 4: saying the worst shit you can say to a person

668
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 4: on the street, to your mama, and then you're gonna

669
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 4: fucking push me.

670
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 5: That was it.

671
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 4: Jackie saw red and she locked in and laid her out.

672
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 4: And then even after that, Chantelle throwing things at her mother,

673
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: cussing at her, and then scrambling because she realized that

674
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 4: she had just began gotten embarrassed on television. So she's, yeah,

675
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 4: let me leave. That's a good idea of just saying

676
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 4: random stuff. What you're gonna do, Jackie and already blew

677
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 4: shit out. You don't have no power here, little girl,

678
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 4: that's your mother okay, and she just reminded you that

679
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 4: she's the mama and you the daughter in that moment,

680
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 4: no matter how big your bark is, no matter how

681
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 4: much cussing you on to do, she fizzled out because

682
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 4: there was nothing substantive there to marrit what we saw.

683
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 5: And that's why she got our mouth blew out. Simple.

684
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I when I saw that, Dustin

685
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: for me, right, Look, I do believe they both were wrong.

686
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 2: I'm not here to tell anybody how to react to something. Right,

687
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: I too wrong, don't make it right to me, right,

688
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: But what I will say is this, Dustin. When I

689
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: saw that for the first time, and I saw that

690
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: after we went off air last night, yeah, I got

691
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: emotional because to.

692
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: Me, it was sort of like.

693
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: I would have been fine never seeing that image the

694
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: day of my life. I would have been okay. Never

695
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: seeing that. I just I would have been okay never

696
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: seeing that, And it to me shows that unfortunately, that

697
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: image would be out there for the rest of their lives.

698
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: And what's sad is Chantell is raising a daughter.

699
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: And that's why for me, as I spoke to you

700
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: guys about whatever issues I have with my own father

701
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: that were so passed now, but I had to let

702
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: my issues with my father go in order for me

703
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: to be fruitful in life. I couldn't hold onto the

704
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: pain anymore. So I set him down in front of

705
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: my mother and said everything I felt.

706
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 3: Since I was five, and I released it. And I

707
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: did it more so for me than for him.

708
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 2: I'm grateful Dustin that he said I'm sorry, but I

709
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 2: didn't need that.

710
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 3: I needed to release it so I could move home

711
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: with my life.

712
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,919
Speaker 2: I would have preferred for Chantelle to answer her mother

713
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: so that she's able to release it.

714
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 3: And because she is raising a dog her and being

715
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 3: a mother.

716
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 2: I don't know what that feels like, and I don't

717
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: know what it's like to be a parent. But there's

718
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: not an instructured manual one receives and how to be

719
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: a parent. It's either innate, it's either you learn on

720
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: the job. It's trial and error, but it should never

721
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: result in physical violence, whether you push your mother and

722
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: and the reflex. I feel sad for both of them, Dustin,

723
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: because that image is going to be.

724
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: Out there forever.

725
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: And shall Tell's daughter, chan Tell's daughter has to grow

726
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: up seeing her mother and her grandmama get into it,

727
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 2: and and and her and Jackie's children have to see that,

728
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: and Duck have to see it.

729
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: And I do want to I do want to get

730
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 3: to the dug things, Dustin.

731
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: That's been a big debate on social media about Doug

732
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: where a lot of people are saying two things, and

733
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: I'll start with one, Dustin. Oh, before I do that,

734
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: I want to get back to your thing. Why is

735
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 2: it that you for the first time do feel sorry

736
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 2: for Jackie?

737
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 5: Because this is the first time. I'll go ahead, what

738
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 5: was you gonna say?

739
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,479
Speaker 2: Oh no, you're saying the first time you felt sorry

740
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: for Jackie in the history of her presence on the show.

741
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,439
Speaker 4: For sure, And it's because this is the first time

742
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 4: I saw real, something that was real from her on

743
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 4: a level where it was just straight up authentic, Right,

744
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 4: Jackie not want to argue with her daughter and cuts

745
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 4: her daughter out on TV.

746
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 5: That was real.

747
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 4: Jackie walking away from them scenes with her daughter to

748
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 4: avoid those sort of verbal interactions with her daughter.

749
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 5: That was real.

750
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 4: This is the first time Jackie been on some Let's

751
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 4: be real, Carlos. What makes Jackie good on this show

752
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 4: is that she's always full of shit, right, lying about something,

753
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 4: doing too much being delusion or whatever. This was the

754
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 4: first time that I saw something that was relatable, real, understandable,

755
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: and undoubtedly authentic from her and as a human being

756
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 4: right with family that I haven't been happy with before,

757
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 4: with challenges I've had, you know before, seeing that on TV.

758
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 5: I felt for Jackie. I felt for her. I did.

759
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,959
Speaker 4: I felt for Jackie Christie. Another thing I want to say,

760
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 4: I don't have anything to say about what has taken place,

761
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 4: the occurrences that have taken place in the relationship between

762
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 4: Jackie and Chantale. I don't have anything to say about

763
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 4: Jackie's relationship with her other daughter, none of that. What

764
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 4: I have an opinion on is what I saw on

765
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 4: that TV last night, which I hope that siren that

766
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 4: you hear in the background.

767
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 5: When you hear you tell.

768
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 4: But I literally just did not like seeing her cuss

769
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 4: her mama out like that and push her mama on TV.

770
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 4: It was not her being passionate in the heat of

771
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 4: a moment in an argument. That was her continuously basically

772
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 4: going after her mother, trying to start an argument and

773
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 4: cussing her mother out, calling her by her name, all

774
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: kind of shit, just being wildly dish respectful. That was

775
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 4: crazy to me. I don't have kids, but I would

776
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 4: raise my children to be vocal even when they were

777
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 4: upset with me. Let me know how I hurt you,

778
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 4: Let me know what made you mad, Let me know

779
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:11,479
Speaker 4: how you feel.

780
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 5: We can talk about it. You know what I'm saying.

781
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 4: But that shit that we seen, you dumb ass, bitch,

782
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 4: you a whole, and all of that that we saw

783
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,959
Speaker 4: that was way too much. I can't remember what movie

784
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 4: it was. I want to say it was The Brothers.

785
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 4: You remember that movie The Brothers.

786
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, one of the others. I think she uh.

787
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 4: They were asking her, the daughter was saying something to

788
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 4: her that was faster on. She was like, ah, that's

789
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 4: a little too much me and you. And I never

790
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 4: forgot that because that is certain lines that you just

791
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 4: don't cross when it comes to your parents.

792
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

793
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 4: It's a way to let your parents know they pitched

794
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 4: you off, but you don't call them bitches, wholes, motherfuckers

795
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 4: and all that other shit. And you definitely don't do

796
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 4: it on television where it's archived forever. That it was

797
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 4: crazy to me. I did not like it.

798
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 5: I didn't like seeing her push her mama and I

799
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 5: was glad when Jackie popped her as that's how I

800
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 5: feel about it.

801
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: There's been a big debate on.

802
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: Doug's involvement in all of this, or lack thereof, I

803
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 2: should say, in addition to his involvement.

804
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 3: Social media split Dustin.

805
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: They feel like when Chantelle constantly says things like your

806
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 2: husband is going to leave you, and she even told

807
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 2: the girls that I'm gonna say it, you know there's

808
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: issues there.

809
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: I staid up to my mom and your kids don't

810
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: like you.

811
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: People are debating whether or not Doug is somebody that

812
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 2: stands in the middle of the kids' issues with their

813
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: mom in terms of is he involved or is he

814
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 2: out of the picture with this?

815
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 3: What is your take?

816
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 2: Because as much as I love my mother, I still

817
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: never articulated that I'm going to go against my dad

818
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 2: or or or say things that would would would paint

819
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: my father as if I'm on his side.

820
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: And I heard I'm on my mama's side and not his,

821
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 3: that that part was confusing to me.

822
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: Do you think there's there could be something to where

823
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: Doug just has been passive when it comes to this

824
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: situation with the kids and Jackie or Jackie More importantly.

825
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 4: I think that as it relates to what we saw

826
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 4: last night, and as it relates to what we watch

827
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 4: on Basketball Wives, it's a moot point what Doug has

828
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 4: to say. Doug ain't on the damn Show outside of

829
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 4: a guest appearance here and there over the years, you know,

830
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 4: for the wedding or you know home scenes.

831
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 5: Where she's talking to him in the kitchen.

832
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 4: Doug ain't never been in the mix with the business

833
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 4: on this show, even when it's his business. Because again,

834
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 4: this ain't the first time that Jackie and her daughters

835
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 4: or her relationship with her children has been mentioned or

836
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 4: focused on or highlighted on this show, and Doug was

837
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 4: not a part of the conversation, then Doug don't.

838
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 5: Have nothing to do with this.

839
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 4: We don't know what his position is, and it's none

840
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 4: of our business because he's not a voice on this show.

841
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 5: I think people would like to see.

842
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 4: That because it would make it easier to understand and

843
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 4: they would be able to say, well, the father is

844
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 4: doing it right, but ultimately it's none of our damn business.

845
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 4: And this is what I mean about the show going

846
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 4: are further away from what we see on the TV.

847
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 4: The dialogue about what Doug has to say is irrelevant.

848
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 5: He's not a part of this.

849
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 4: We're talking about the damn Show, unless he filmed scenes

850
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 4: where they discuss it, or unless VH one creates a

851
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 4: spin off where it is about Jackie's family and all

852
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 4: the people that are all the players involved in these stories,

853
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 4: our members, and we're watching it, then we talk about

854
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 4: what other people had to say.

855
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 5: Why are we even discussing it? You know what I'm saying.

856
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 4: Doug has nothing thing to do with that, and it's

857
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 4: none of our business what his take is on that

858
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 4: very personal family matter. Let's focus on what we seen

859
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 4: last night, which was Chantelle cussing her mama out and

860
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 4: then fistfighting.

861
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 5: That's enough, That's how I feel.

862
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So after the altercation, Chantell goes back to join

863
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: the ladies and pretty much just says everything that her

864
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: mother did to her. What I found to be interesting

865
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 2: is she never once said anything that she did. In

866
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: addition to that, she did not mention that obviously I

867
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: pushed her, She did not mention that, you know, I

868
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: said these things to her.

869
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: She let all of the things go, and then you.

870
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 2: Saw the girls sort of rally with her, and it's

871
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 2: one of those things where we'll see what happens when

872
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 2: since finale, but.

873
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 3: That I didn't like that either.

874
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: I don't like that because it's sort of like, I

875
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: know that Jackie into our favorite person. I get that,

876
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: but evidence have shown that there's two sides of the

877
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: story and that yes, hug her and do all the things.

878
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: That's fine, but I didn't like how Everlynn, I feel

879
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 2: like Evelyn, even the argument on the beach, I just

880
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: like Evelyn.

881
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: This I Evelyn.

882
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 2: Was definitely a contradiction throughout this whole saga. I love Evelyn.

883
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: I think she's great for the show. If I'm basing

884
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 2: it off of the character that I love since season one,

885
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 2: that Evelyn who's still on business for her daughter, the

886
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: Evelyn that I've watched since day one would have never

887
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 2: chosen a side when it comes to a mother and

888
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: a daughter.

889
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 3: That would have never been the case.

890
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: The bias was clear when she said I woke up

891
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 2: crying for Chantala's.

892
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: Like you.

893
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: Like, let's have a real conversation. Your bias is showing here.

894
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: It was a typic to me.

895
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 4: Typically Carlos, when people who covet their children as much

896
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 4: as these ladies have purported themselves too. Right, There's a

897
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 4: softness or a gentleness that softens even the most tough

898
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 4: exteriors when it comes to women who are mothers, right,

899
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 4: or people who are mothers. You know what I'm saying, Like,

900
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 4: I didn't see that when it came to Evelyn. It

901
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 4: would have been different if Evelyn was like, Damn, I

902
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 4: woke up crying for Chantelle and Jackie, and so I'm

903
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 4: going to talk to Jackie today and have a soft,

904
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 4: hard to heart mother to mother conversation where I say, hey,

905
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 4: y'all gotta find some peace Jackie.

906
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, like whatever, whatever.

907
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 4: That's different than saying I woke up crying for Chantelle

908
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 4: and if your mother comes down here, it's gonna be

909
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 4: a fucking war.

910
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 5: That's totally different, And it doesn't align with.

911
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 4: How Evelyn was about to flip tables and all kind

912
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 4: of shit at Jackie overcoming she made that were grossly

913
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 4: inappropriate about her daughter Shanese.

914
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 5: It don't line up.

915
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 4: And so to me, that means that you are using

916
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 4: this situation as a way to get at Jackie, as

917
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 4: a way to antagonize Jackie or fuck with her, and

918
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 4: you're you're involving yourself. That conversation at the beach was

919
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 4: crazy to me, crazy because it came from nowhere too,

920
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 4: like where where is this energy? Even like I just

921
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 4: I was surprised. So Jackie left in too, and Brittany

922
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 4: wasn't I mean, Chantel wasn't even there. But it was

923
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 4: about Shantale and so she got up and left. She

924
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 4: won't even engage with them women for real, for real.

925
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 4: After she had that dust up with Brittany, Jackie stopped

926
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 4: really fucking with them when it came to conversations about

927
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 4: her daughter or excuse me, like she always used to

928
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 4: say my daughter. She always used to say it like

929
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 4: it was TTEI. That's how she always to say daughter,

930
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 4: like me and my daughter.

931
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 5: But she did you remember that ship? My daughter? That's

932
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 5: my daughter. That's what I can do that But I

933
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 5: don't know you know what I'm saying. That was that ship.

934
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 5: That was not cool to me. That wasn't cool to

935
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 5: me at all.

936
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 3: Nothing what the top of me?

937
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 4: Please, my daughter is d O T T E. That's

938
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 4: my daughter. Let me tell you something about my daughter.

939
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,399
Speaker 4: Me and my daughter, that's what she You ain't gonna

940
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 4: talk about my daughter that's what that's what she would say.

941
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 3: Hey man, hey man.

942
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 5: My daughter, that's my daughter. That's what she would always do.

943
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 4: But I don't know. That was just that was some

944
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 4: foul ship to me. Man, I did not like seeing that.

945
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 4: I did not like what I saw. That's what that's

946
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 4: what s.

947
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 5: You know? Oh God, because you like.

948
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 3: So Dustin.

949
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: At the end, we did hear the audio. Baby Jackie

950
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 2: called her husband and said, look, let me tell you.

951
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what it is.

952
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 5: Look just like said he was going to.

953
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: Call up.

954
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 3: That is funny. No, dust we're gonna talk about this.

955
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: When they sat down for the last time and Jackie

956
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 2: had her phone out and Chantelle said, are you recording?

957
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 3: Yes, she goes, no, I was just checking sha chat.

958
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 2: Tell you ate that Chattel has moments. I'm like not

959
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: to be cute ship like, so you recorded that. It

960
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 2: was sort of like, well, damn, Jackie, are you like

961
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: what you said?

962
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 3: Go call doug Hey, Dougie.

963
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 5: So like that. That's what I'm saying.

964
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 4: The way she could have did it without being grossly

965
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 4: disrespectful like she was. Certain shit, you just you don't

966
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 4: you don't be mean the old people and kids, you

967
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, you don't fucking disrespect your parents

968
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 4: and grandparents. It's just certain things you just don't fucking

969
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 4: do in life. And what we saw last night was

970
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 4: just somebody that didn't care about that.

971
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 5: I did not like seeing that. I didn't.

972
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I didn't either. So listen.

973
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: What we don't know is this Jackie and Chantell have

974
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 2: not been active on social media.

975
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 5: Thank god.

976
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: I do love that this is not a Meian Porsche

977
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: around too, So I'm happy that. I'm happy that Jackie

978
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: as Chantelle decided to listen.

979
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 3: All just aside, I will say this.

980
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 2: I'll I'll wrap things up by saying this, and I'm

981
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: sure Justina was the same way. But I want to

982
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: hear from Dustin' too. Mike Park goes out to the

983
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 2: Christy family. I really do hope that they all saw

984
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 2: themselves and said, what can we do?

985
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 3: Doug is the.

986
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 2: Man of the house. I'm old fashioned a lot of ways.

987
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 2: I do believe as the men of the house. I

988
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: hope that Doug is able to really sit his whole

989
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 2: family down and really deal with this. And there isn't

990
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 2: Dustin not shure you know this, There's not going to

991
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 2: be a reunion for this particular season. Okay, so the

992
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: finale does air next week. So unfortunately we don't know

993
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 2: where things stand today between Chantilla and Jackie. I did

994
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: do it interview with Jackie the first week the show

995
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 2: came out. I did ask her about Chantale. Jackie made

996
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 2: it up here that they're fine. So I don't I

997
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: don't know.

998
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 3: I don't know. But what I do know and you

999
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 3: know this too, dustn't.

1000
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 2: Once reality starts, watched the season over again, it does

1001
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: read your.

1002
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 3: Feelings does resurface.

1003
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 2: So my heart goes out to Jackie, my heart goes

1004
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: out to Chantelle, my heart goes out to the entire

1005
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: Chrissy family. All jumps aside. I really do want to

1006
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 2: see you guys making work, and I will go out

1007
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: and say this. I don't want to see you guys

1008
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 2: coming together ever again.

1009
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 5: I'm on me either.

1010
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 4: They need to bring Yanla back and they need to

1011
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 4: take their ass on the Yandler.

1012
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 5: That's what we need to do. Carlos.

1013
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 4: You got a relationship with own, Let's get a Yanda

1014
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 4: special going on. You know what I'm saying, and you

1015
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 4: link it up. Do what you gotta do. But they

1016
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 4: obviously need some work all jokes aside. Like you said,

1017
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 4: of course, you know, we want resolve. We want that

1018
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 4: family to get back connected in the right ways.

1019
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 5: We want healing for their family.

1020
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 4: We want Chantelle to stop cussing her mother out in

1021
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 4: private and in public. We want Jackie to be reasonable

1022
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 4: and shut up and listen for real, for real, and

1023
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 4: we want them to find peace. That's what I want.

1024
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 4: I know that's what you want. We want them to find.

1025
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 4: But she deserved what she got last night.

1026
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, thank you Dustin so much for doing

1027
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: this range. I love you more and make sure y'all

1028
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: watch Explicit interview. Inspired dropped a lot of gems about

1029
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 2: business marriage.

1030
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 3: It's a really really good interview and a yacht.

1031
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 4: So I was just about to say, first of all, y'ah,

1032
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 4: you're doing that on location on that yacht, and you

1033
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,280
Speaker 4: did just hilarious in which was also a good interview.

1034
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 5: You did that in the studio. I see what you're doing.

1035
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 3: Brother.

1036
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 4: When I seen that reality yet I'm going to the area.

1037
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 4: Yet when I seen that that preview for Keish interview

1038
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 4: and you always on that yacht, I was like, look

1039
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 4: at this nigga doing this day. I was working all

1040
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 4: day today, so i didn't get a chance to watch it,

1041
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 4: but I'm gonna watch tonight.

1042
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 3: Oh It's a good one. It's gonna dustin.

1043
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 2: It will leave you, inspire the business and Keisha Davis.

1044
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 2: I I share a story about how she inspired me.

1045
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,280
Speaker 2: So just know she impacted my life in many ways.

1046
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: And I cannot wait for you guys to watch it.

1047
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: If you haven't said, congratulations, Thank you guys, thank you brother.

1048
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: I love you guys so much. All Right, I'll see

1049
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 2: you guys next week.

1050
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 3: Love y'all. Bye.

1051
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,

1052
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a partnership.

1053
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 5: With the Lack Effect Network.

1054
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at

1055
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: the Carlos King Underscore