Speaker 1: Podcast starts now, and even Earnestness Bonanza starts now, one
Speaker 1: could say, And even one could say the ernest that
Speaker 1: Bananza starts now. And I want to say, Happy Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: to everyone. Oh, Happy Thanksgiving to all. As everyone is
Speaker 1: listening to this, I will be preparing Thanksgiving dinner for
Speaker 1: twelve people with Matthew. Can you believe I'm actually I'm
Speaker 1: having heart palpitations just thinking about it. I mean that
Speaker 1: sounds insane. So this is coming out, what two days
Speaker 1: before Thanksgiving, so it's gonna people are going to be
Speaker 1: in the thick of the Thanksgiving spirit. We are in studio,
Speaker 1: I should say, in Los Angeles, California, stud in Los Angeles, California.
Speaker 1: We just recorded an episode that will come out after this,
Speaker 1: and we are coming off of like this really incredible
Speaker 1: week of shows. And we have to say, for those
Speaker 1: that don't know what this is, potentially the Earnests Bonanza
Speaker 1: is not like any other episode that we would ever do.
Speaker 1: This is where we dropped the bit as completely as
Speaker 1: we possibly can and try to be sincere and earnest.
Speaker 1: And is it sometimes boring by design? One could say,
Speaker 1: And yet that's honesty. Yeah. And the first the first
Speaker 1: few times we did it, I was like, oh God,
Speaker 1: I'm being so boring. I'm not saying anything that is
Speaker 1: in any way entertaining or funny. And then I kind
Speaker 1: of had an empowering moment where I was like, and
Speaker 1: that's good. Well. I remember being like, we can't possibly
Speaker 1: release these, and then we did, and then someone was
Speaker 1: like people could be like, oh, I love the earnestness.
Speaker 1: One like that. More often we're like no coman hard. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I like it when we're funny and when we're like
Speaker 1: trying really hard, not when we're just like sort of talking. Yeah.
Speaker 1: People were like, normally, you guys try so hard it
Speaker 1: keeps falling. Glad at least now you're like, you know,
Speaker 1: being normal. But I think it's a good time for
Speaker 1: one one because Thanksgiving and too because of this incredible
Speaker 1: week of shows that George was just about to go into. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we it really is kind of the perfect time to
Speaker 1: stop and be grateful for one another, for everyone who
Speaker 1: has ever supported the podcast, also for everyone we work
Speaker 1: with now um our producers Hans and Olivia and our
Speaker 1: editor Adam. It's like one of the best, if not
Speaker 1: the best, like kind of working team relationship I've ever had.
Speaker 1: There's not like a single person where like when I
Speaker 1: get an email from them, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this again. Yeah, and they really understand, really like us
Speaker 1: and want us to do our thing. It really feels like, um,
Speaker 1: something you are told does not happen when you are
Speaker 1: in this cutthroad industry of podcasting and in this town,
Speaker 1: in the town of Los Angeles, which is where we are,
Speaker 1: random is where we are. Do you want to talk
Speaker 1: about little bit about the shows? I do? So we
Speaker 1: had the most stressful week of our entire lives. We
Speaker 1: were which actually is kind of sad if you think
Speaker 1: about it. Um, but we were doing like and this
Speaker 1: is earnestness. It's hard for us. It's actually hard for
Speaker 1: me to get into like to like talk, I'm like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: one wants to hear about this, but okay. We did
Speaker 1: a show at for New York Comedy Festival at the
Speaker 1: Bettlehouse and that was really fun. And that was on
Speaker 1: like Wednesday of last week, then on Friday, then on Thursday.
Speaker 1: On Thursday we did game show with Dave Mazzoni, our
Speaker 1: friend and normally Matt Rogers but who wasn't there. But
Speaker 1: so we were the two like Queer Wise Queers on
Speaker 1: game show. And so that was Thursday night. Then Friday
Speaker 1: we flew to l A. Saturday, we had two shows
Speaker 1: at Vulture Fest. One was our show, which was kind
Speaker 1: of we did this um very silly satirical event that
Speaker 1: was kind of making fun of the concept of a
Speaker 1: panel event. It was kind of like the first scene
Speaker 1: of Tar. So we were pretending to be titans of
Speaker 1: the podcasting industry and our friends Sudie Green past guest,
Speaker 1: was playing the role of like a hard hitting journalist
Speaker 1: and asking this all these questions, and so we spent
Speaker 1: all day Saturday kind of writing. We wrote like all
Speaker 1: these questions and this whole controversy section where we had
Speaker 1: to address all these fake controversies, and Sudie like really
Speaker 1: committed to the character. It was like it really felt
Speaker 1: like something completely different than anything we've ever done. Also,
Speaker 1: we didn't see we didn't like do it thinking like
Speaker 1: we're going to do something really like subversive. We were
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, this is like a comedy, Like
Speaker 1: there's gonna be comedy on this festival, and this is
Speaker 1: what we think would be funny to do. Like if
Speaker 1: it's our fans will understand it's funny that we're like
Speaker 1: pretending to be really self important. And then it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's like there is comedy at the festival, but it's
Speaker 1: mostly genuine Q and A s. Yeah, and it's like
Speaker 1: pop culture fandom. It's the pop culture festival. And so
Speaker 1: then it looked like it's turned us into like actually
Speaker 1: doing the edgiest thing. Yeah. I was like, oh, we
Speaker 1: are suddenly Andy Kaufman, we are like really fine. I
Speaker 1: was worried almost that we were like offending the organizers,
Speaker 1: which was not like because there weren't. I guess we
Speaker 1: also maybe thought there would be more comedy events. There
Speaker 1: were like two or three comedy events, but it really
Speaker 1: was like mostly um, you know, panels and cast re
Speaker 1: unions and uh you know like like live podcast recordings
Speaker 1: or whatever. And it did feel like we were kind
Speaker 1: of the jokers of like we were like doing Jester.
Speaker 1: We were being jesters basically, were the court jesters. We
Speaker 1: were being court jesters. Because also it's like it was
Speaker 1: at a festival, so you have to assume there are
Speaker 1: some people that I don't know who we are and
Speaker 1: are just coming to something that says Q and A
Speaker 1: about podcasting. Yeah, because the title of the event was
Speaker 1: Vulture Presents Stradio Lab presents What is podcasting? A conversation?
Speaker 1: And truly multiple people were like, uh, is this serious?
Speaker 1: Like should I come to is this like a show
Speaker 1: or is it serious to that? I a darling, use
Speaker 1: use your brain. But it was so fun. I've actually
Speaker 1: never felt I haven't felt like that, um both like
Speaker 1: nervous and excited on stage in a long time, where
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, we are like being
Speaker 1: we're being the joker, so we're being like little stink.
Speaker 1: It was electric. I was so obviously I'm always grateful
Speaker 1: for you every second of every day. But Sudie in
Speaker 1: that moment, I was like, I feel so safe in
Speaker 1: her hands. She was so fully committing to the bit.
Speaker 1: And then we had Matt Rogers, who was there for
Speaker 1: his own show. We asked him if he would want
Speaker 1: to do like a cameo basically, and when we opened
Speaker 1: up for audience to n a. The joke was that
Speaker 1: we kept calling on him and of course people were
Speaker 1: so excited um that it was him and he could
Speaker 1: have done anything, but he came fully prepared with a
Speaker 1: character and a narrative and three questions that each had
Speaker 1: like their own introduction that he had multiple beats that
Speaker 1: each heightened, and I was like, okay, you know you
Speaker 1: don't have to be like funnier. That's right now. I Yeah.
Speaker 1: So that was that was our little event that we did.
Speaker 1: It was in the kind of like smaller stage pool
Speaker 1: side um at the festival. And then right after that,
Speaker 1: like an hour later, we did Matt Show, which was
Speaker 1: this big kind of Thanksgiving God Christmas variety show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it turns out everyone's really good at singing except for us.
Speaker 1: But we had so much fun and it was just
Speaker 1: like we got to be like a little stinker sidekicks.
Speaker 1: It was like this is heav fun. Like the premise
Speaker 1: was that he's in his living room for Christmas and
Speaker 1: his friends keep coming over and doing stuff with him.
Speaker 1: It was kind of like it felt very like classic
Speaker 1: variety show and we were the only ones who didn't sing,
Speaker 1: and so our I guess he just kind of had
Speaker 1: a conversation with us, and then we just like we're
Speaker 1: on stage while all these like true singers were like
Speaker 1: singing and we were just kind of reacting to it.
Speaker 1: It was a damn blast. It was so fun. Truly
Speaker 1: felt insane after that. Yeah, And then by the way,
Speaker 1: like that that night was also just like one of
Speaker 1: the best. It's really like one of the best nights
Speaker 1: socially of the past three years for me, Like it
Speaker 1: felt like a sort of pre pandemic joy that I
Speaker 1: hadn't felt in so long. We all got dinner afterwards,
Speaker 1: everyone from that show, and then our mo fright passing
Speaker 1: and us went back to our hotel for a night cap,
Speaker 1: and we're just like laugh laugh laughing all night so fun.
Speaker 1: We were literally like walking because our hotel was on
Speaker 1: the like Walk of Stars or whatever, and it was
Speaker 1: we started off with being like who would like who
Speaker 1: cares about this? And then immediately just started seeing names
Speaker 1: of celebrities that we recognized, and we go literally every
Speaker 1: name we recognize, which is many of them, they're all famous.
Speaker 1: We would just be like, Oh, I got pink I
Speaker 1: got Kidman, have I got it? Halfway? And I still
Speaker 1: have photos of my on my phone where it's like,
Speaker 1: why did I take a photo of Pink Star? When
Speaker 1: am I When am I going to need that? But
Speaker 1: I was in that moment I was like, well, I
Speaker 1: have to have a photo of Pink Star. It was
Speaker 1: so fun. We were being crazy and I was having
Speaker 1: a block. I felt like summer camp and uh yeah.
Speaker 1: And then and so then the next uh, the next
Speaker 1: day was our one day off. We again like had
Speaker 1: such a nice like I saw Julia Claire during the day,
Speaker 1: then we saw Josh and Aaron at night, I had
Speaker 1: dinner with Charles Rogers, um, and so that was like
Speaker 1: our one friend day. And then Monday was our show
Speaker 1: at the Allegian, which which was genuinely like I felt
Speaker 1: like I was on drugs, just a cherry on top. Uh. Everyone.
Speaker 1: The audience was like one of the best audiences we've
Speaker 1: we've ever had. I was like, I've never felt so
Speaker 1: supportive by a routup of people. Um, it was it
Speaker 1: felt really friends and family. We had Sydney, Greta Mo
Speaker 1: and Nori, so all people that we like really love
Speaker 1: and do not have to like feel like we're doing
Speaker 1: work with us. After that show versus us on Tuesday
Speaker 1: the previous week, when we were so deeply stressed out
Speaker 1: and like still even trying to book people and still
Speaker 1: trying to like put it all together and figure out
Speaker 1: what we were doing, it was just like what a
Speaker 1: sense of relief and it was like it was very emotional. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it it really felt like a weight had been lifted,
Speaker 1: because yeah, I mean it basically did one to three
Speaker 1: or four five. We basically did five shows in five
Speaker 1: days into in two cities. Now I understand other people
Speaker 1: have harder lives than us, but it was for us.
Speaker 1: It did. You know, it did feel like a lot
Speaker 1: and a lot of pressure. I mean, the you know,
Speaker 1: you just never know how these things are going to go.
Speaker 1: I mean I absolutely have PTSD from doing bad like
Speaker 1: planning shows and having them flop flop flop and l a.
Speaker 1: You really you really never know. And I and we've
Speaker 1: both had experiences of like shows we thought were going
Speaker 1: to do well that like sold no tickets, that did
Speaker 1: sell tickets but did but were terrible, where like you
Speaker 1: thought a bit with Crush and it just didn't end anyway.
Speaker 1: It just it was it was kind of one of
Speaker 1: those weeks where everything seemed to be going right and
Speaker 1: everyone around us was like doing their best to help
Speaker 1: out and be supportive and uh, yeah, and I guess
Speaker 1: so that leads us to the earnestness bonanza, which yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we're I guess I even want to say
Speaker 1: like thanks for coming. Yeah, like anyone who came to
Speaker 1: a show or I don't know or has come to
Speaker 1: a show in the past, and I even want to
Speaker 1: say like thanks for listening. Yeah, why not? Like I
Speaker 1: think this week in particular really put like a different
Speaker 1: perspective on it. You know, we've seen it the podcast grow,
Speaker 1: and it's been very nice to see. But this like
Speaker 1: doing like all these shows and feeling like like it's
Speaker 1: hard for me sometimes to like understand that what we're
Speaker 1: doing is like it almost transcends us as individuals in
Speaker 1: a maybe that's too aggrandizing, but it's like it is
Speaker 1: it is something. It is something, and I'd like to
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, it's our stupid podcast that I don't
Speaker 1: care about or whatever. It is our stupid podcast. But
Speaker 1: it's also like fun to be, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: if we're like stupid and silly and um uh, you know,
Speaker 1: whimsical or whatever else, it's like fun to then be
Speaker 1: in a room of all people that are like in
Speaker 1: the mood to be silly and stupid, and I don't
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not under any impression that we're doing
Speaker 1: like deep important cultural work. But it's also like just
Speaker 1: like super fun too. It's basically just um. I think
Speaker 1: mostly it's just like fun to meet people that share
Speaker 1: our sensibility and I have a similar similar sense of
Speaker 1: humor and to be like, you guys seem really cool
Speaker 1: and so I don't know, Yeah, last night we were
Speaker 1: like talking to people after the show and it was
Speaker 1: just like so nice to meet people. And I thought
Speaker 1: every single person I talked to was like genuinely someone
Speaker 1: that's cool and that I would like be friends with,
Speaker 1: um if we if we lived in Los Angeles of course, wait,
Speaker 1: don't ask us. Yeah, so grateful. So to kick it off, George,
Speaker 1: it's been an amazing time podcasting with you. As we've
Speaker 1: gone into our corporate era. I'm happy that we have
Speaker 1: not changed an ounce and we are still raw and
Speaker 1: edgy and um you know these especially an event like
Speaker 1: that Vulture thing where we're doing something kind of experimental.
Speaker 1: I feel so taken care of performing with you. I
Speaker 1: because when it's just myself, I'm sort of like I
Speaker 1: can get even I can get very very nervous because
Speaker 1: I by myself. Oh baby, the highs are high, but
Speaker 1: the lows are low, and there are times when I
Speaker 1: can flop but with the two of us, I always feel,
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, I'm like, and this is not going what.
Speaker 1: We're absolutely gonna bomb as soon as I say this,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, there's no way we can bomb. I'm knocking,
Speaker 1: I'm knocking on the table. We're just like, you know what,
Speaker 1: We'll not that there's no way we can bomb. And
Speaker 1: I take that back, but I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll find something, and I could kind of trust that
Speaker 1: we could find something even if like the things that
Speaker 1: we intended to go well weren't going to go well.
Speaker 1: And I would like to ping pong that pickle ball
Speaker 1: that back to you and say that at this point,
Speaker 1: like you know, we had this like I don't want
Speaker 1: to go into the whole thing where in the beginning
Speaker 1: of the podcast, a joke was that we were coworkers,
Speaker 1: but then we actually became super close friends and whatever
Speaker 1: everyone knows and like, at this point we have been
Speaker 1: legitimately close friends for many years. It's not worth addressing,
Speaker 1: but there's a way where I feel like there's always
Speaker 1: even one level deeper. And what makes me so grateful
Speaker 1: and excited about our friendship is that I never know
Speaker 1: what that next level will be and it like, I
Speaker 1: feel like our relationship is deepening every day, and like
Speaker 1: you still surprise me with certain things you say or
Speaker 1: certain things you do. It feels like kind of in
Speaker 1: the same way with like a sibling or very close
Speaker 1: to where like even though you know them inside and out,
Speaker 1: there's always something to talk about and there's always something
Speaker 1: to do. And when we're like sitting next to each
Speaker 1: other in a show, sometimes I will like sometimes I
Speaker 1: will like physically just touch your shoulder and it almost
Speaker 1: feels like I'm like it's like physically grounding. Wow, that's
Speaker 1: our little earnest, this up top earnest up top. And
Speaker 1: I guess what we're gonna do? Answer your damn questions. Now,
Speaker 1: We're gonna answer you damn questions as soon as Sam
Speaker 1: got his laptop work. I know I'm not a great
Speaker 1: tech head. Um, Okay, let's start at the start. Let's
Speaker 1: do it. Okay, this is from Elena. Sam. Can you
Speaker 1: tell us more about Gizmo? How long have you had him?
Speaker 1: What kind of dog is see? What is his general affect?
Speaker 1: Does he bark, et cetera? And now, most importantly, can
Speaker 1: you explain your ethos as a dog owner. Are you
Speaker 1: a dogan who lets your dog get away with a lot?
Speaker 1: Do you get offended if people don't love your dog?
Speaker 1: Do you take him everywhere? Do you have strict boundaries?
Speaker 1: I have a theory that someone's approaching their dogs has
Speaker 1: a lot about them, and I'm very curious about yours.
Speaker 1: I love this question. So this is part one. Part
Speaker 1: two is for you, but I'll do my part first.
Speaker 1: So Gizmo, he is a rescue. He is a blue
Speaker 1: healer mixed with something I'm not sure of. He is cranky.
Speaker 1: He has some aggression issues. If I'm being completely honest, Um,
Speaker 1: I can't concur although actually, because I've been told that
Speaker 1: so much, I don't attempt to pet him, so I've
Speaker 1: never had issues with him, but I do sometimes wish
Speaker 1: I could like take a little face in my hands.
Speaker 1: I know it's the it's the preparedness paradox, but I
Speaker 1: do like he just he's complicated because he he almost
Speaker 1: like doesn't like affection, like but then as soon as
Speaker 1: someone's ignoring him, he's like, well I want a little.
Speaker 1: But I think the real key is to like pet
Speaker 1: him a little and then like stop and then he'll
Speaker 1: like walk away. But I'm like, he's tough. He's like
Speaker 1: a stubborn dog. So I try to just like work
Speaker 1: with him rather than against him, Like it's sort of
Speaker 1: my approach. Like there was a while, like we have
Speaker 1: found out like, Okay, he doesn't like when people get
Speaker 1: in his face, Like that is a fact. So now
Speaker 1: we just tell everyone that comes in, like don't get
Speaker 1: in his face and generally ignore him unless he approaches you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I tried a lot of different methods. Like I tried,
Speaker 1: like because he has leash aggression, and so I tried
Speaker 1: to like do the like sit and treat at every
Speaker 1: time we would pass another dog, and then like that
Speaker 1: did not work, and then like I try, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: tried like being like stopping every time, like and like
Speaker 1: get being really strict, and that like didn't. That actually
Speaker 1: did work better. Honestly. The thing that worked the most
Speaker 1: was changing where I put his collar like his leash,
Speaker 1: putting it like higher up on his neck um because
Speaker 1: that was like more uncomfortable for him, and so he
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, now I don't want to mess around
Speaker 1: on this, but generally I try to. I think, um,
Speaker 1: I am the strict parent and Misha is the nice parent.
Speaker 1: Misha is always like giving him extra treats and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I'm always like, well he already ate dinner. But
Speaker 1: um no, I love my dog very much and we
Speaker 1: have a very very special bond. And um I have
Speaker 1: had him for eleven years. Yeah, that is crazy. You're
Speaker 1: not a dog on that brings him to like bars
Speaker 1: and stuff. No, just because he's like he needs his space.
Speaker 1: I like to bring him, Like if we're going to
Speaker 1: a park to sit somewhere, I'll bring him there. I'd
Speaker 1: like to bring him on quote unquote vacations, like if
Speaker 1: we're going to my parents house from his parents house.
Speaker 1: I love to get him out of the city whenever
Speaker 1: I can, because I think it calms him definitely. All right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now yours. Okay, so this is mine? Um, all right, George.
Speaker 1: You've said in past episodes that you've changed your name
Speaker 1: because it's almost impossible to pronounce in English, So obviously
Speaker 1: I'm extremely curious about what your name is. Can you
Speaker 1: introduce yourself using your full name like you would in Greece.
Speaker 1: On a similar note, on the first Earnestness bananza, a
Speaker 1: listener requested thirty seconds of Sam giggling. I wonder how
Speaker 1: many people have sexually pleasured themselves to those thirty seconds
Speaker 1: of Sam thousands? Hopefully, can I request thirty seconds of
Speaker 1: you speak in Greek? You know we did. I gotta say,
Speaker 1: we said this episode it would be self indulgent. So
Speaker 1: if you find yourself being like this is self indulgent, no,
Speaker 1: that it's by design. Yeah, that's the point. That's the point. Um. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to say what my full name is. So
Speaker 1: in Greek my name would be Yogos to video at
Speaker 1: these and basically I shortened like I didn't want to
Speaker 1: just like change my name like George Smith, like I
Speaker 1: wanted it to have like a Greek vibe. And so,
Speaker 1: in fact, so my name normally would start with a
Speaker 1: T S. But that's actually what that actually was because
Speaker 1: of a regional accent kind of um. And so when
Speaker 1: I changed in to a C, that's almost kind of
Speaker 1: harkening back to like the original name that it would
Speaker 1: be because my family, my dad's family was from a
Speaker 1: village or from a town called Kivetti with a like
Speaker 1: with a C sound in the beginning, so it would
Speaker 1: have been ke and so I made it Kivetti like Severis,
Speaker 1: And so it's in my mind, it's like part of etymologically,
Speaker 1: it has roots in the actual name. So I didn't
Speaker 1: want to just like make it something random. Um, did
Speaker 1: your sisters? No? No, no, I mean it's and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have. The only reason I did is because I
Speaker 1: was like doing stand up and I just wanted people
Speaker 1: to be able to pronounce it when bringing me on stage.
Speaker 1: Like if I wasn't even if I was just a writer,
Speaker 1: I would not have changed it. Like it's not you
Speaker 1: know it, I will say it is. It is annoying
Speaker 1: to have a name that no one can pronounce. Like
Speaker 1: when we lived in New Jersey, it was just so
Speaker 1: exhausting that, like I would have like my middle school
Speaker 1: graduation and the and the teacher would ask me like
Speaker 1: three times ahead of time, like how do I say this?
Speaker 1: And then on the day of the thing, she'd be
Speaker 1: like George T. And then everyone would like laugh, knowing
Speaker 1: it's just like annoying. Um. But then again, right now,
Speaker 1: it's annoying because my legal name is different than the
Speaker 1: name everyone knows me by, and so it's impossible to like,
Speaker 1: you know, just like I'll have like a dinner reservation,
Speaker 1: someone will show up early. Then it's like with my
Speaker 1: old email address. So they'll be like, it's first Severus
Speaker 1: and they're like, we don't have it, and they're like text,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a whole thing. Also, I say Severus
Speaker 1: even though it's a fake name. That's how I pronounced it.
Speaker 1: And of course most people now say Severus and I'm like,
Speaker 1: well I couldn't even escape. Still people can't pronounce my
Speaker 1: fake name. Um, okay, and then thirty seconds. Sure I
Speaker 1: can speak Greek for thirty seconds? Would you like to
Speaker 1: time me? Ready? Milla up to athena? A thought, I'm
Speaker 1: in a snaki alla piano, spit my mom and si
Speaker 1: nica perni yes igal with a pound of foul. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Is that three more seconds? Yeah? Do that
Speaker 1: means goodbye? All right, there we go. Wow, that was powerful.
Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely think thousands of people will pleasure
Speaker 1: themselves to that. Let's fucking hope. So next question, next question. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is from Liz. They asked three questions, but we're
Speaker 1: going to do the third question, which I think is funny.
Speaker 1: What is the most morally corrupt sponsor you would allow
Speaker 1: and what for what price? Wait? Okay, before we answer this.
Speaker 1: I want to say it because we do get messages
Speaker 1: all the time about ads. I want to just say, like,
Speaker 1: I think that often the ads are like algorithmically chosen
Speaker 1: or personalized or like we're not signing off on every
Speaker 1: ad and like we're really like learning as we go.
Speaker 1: We're also learning. It's very funny because I understand why
Speaker 1: it would be, of course, and I'm also like, as
Speaker 1: the person in it, I'm like, wait, why don't they
Speaker 1: know that we have no say or like I know,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, well, yeah, when I listen to
Speaker 1: the radio, I don't necessarily think but but of course
Speaker 1: I understand, I understand that, Um, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: not kind of like I'm not like shot up, like
Speaker 1: I understand where it's coming from. Um. But it really
Speaker 1: is like we listen to the podcast like two times
Speaker 1: before it's released for edits, and obviously the ads are
Speaker 1: not on those edits, so to be honest, we don't
Speaker 1: listen to it when it has ads because we're gonna
Speaker 1: listen to it a third time, just like on our
Speaker 1: little walks. So it's always very surprising and shocking in
Speaker 1: like a bad way when suddenly we'll get like an
Speaker 1: angry message. Yeah, it's actually very weird, but I understand
Speaker 1: where it comes from us, of course, But just the
Speaker 1: next time it happens, go damn the rhythm. Sure is weird.
Speaker 1: If it's our voices, that's different. We are they're not
Speaker 1: using a bot to create our voices. It's also, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're also kind of in the beginning of this process
Speaker 1: where like I'm sure in a year, like more of
Speaker 1: the ads will be like us endorsing things or whatever,
Speaker 1: like you like you hear another podcast, but like right now,
Speaker 1: since we're still new, it's mostly like just adds that
Speaker 1: exists in the whole network. So yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: do think we'll be more careful when it's like us
Speaker 1: doing something. You have to hope, you gotta hope. But
Speaker 1: I would love to plug the military. Um no, okay,
Speaker 1: what is the most morally crupt sponsor and maybe let's
Speaker 1: say morally corrupt sponsor that we would do the voice
Speaker 1: over for. Oh sure, sure, sure, Um let's see morally corrupt,
Speaker 1: you know, a real one. This is maybe two grounded
Speaker 1: of an answer. This seems like it could be a
Speaker 1: fun there could be a funny answer here, but that's
Speaker 1: not what this one is is like I feel confused
Speaker 1: about like Amazon shows, where it's like because it's like
Speaker 1: you want to be like hardline and be like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to support like I would never do
Speaker 1: like a buy from Amazon. But then it's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: I do understand, like the Amazon entertainment connection. It's always
Speaker 1: really confusing, right also because like all media conglomerates are
Speaker 1: incredibly bad but nothing but respect to but all of them, Um, yes,
Speaker 1: I I understand that dilemma. I mean it's like, I
Speaker 1: mean there are Disney shows, and then there's also like, well,
Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know. And then it's also
Speaker 1: like I have genuinely no idea what the labor conditions
Speaker 1: are in many of these places. I the best thing
Speaker 1: we can do is go case by case. I would say,
Speaker 1: my kind of joking answer is like I wouldn't. I
Speaker 1: don't know how I would confirm this. But there are
Speaker 1: so many things that are like supplements or vitamins, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, if I could confirm that they are fully placebos,
Speaker 1: like they do nothing, I would never advertize something that
Speaker 1: is harmful for you. But if someone could confirm that
Speaker 1: something is a complete placebo, I would like lie that
Speaker 1: it works and just know that our listeners are smart
Speaker 1: enough to not believe. That is such a funny answer.
Speaker 1: I wish I had a jokey answer. No, I don't
Speaker 1: have one. Right, next question, Next question, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: from Maxim. Do either of you find it difficult to
Speaker 1: relate to gen Z gay men? I myself am gen
Speaker 1: Z Prince's twenty three, and I found it increasingly difficult
Speaker 1: to find things in common with gay millennials and gen
Speaker 1: X men. I'm surprised to find that, although we're both gay,
Speaker 1: the expected generation divide does seem to apply mostly culturally
Speaker 1: and in terms of humor. And then the wait, the
Speaker 1: generation gap applies culture and through humor, mostly culturally and
Speaker 1: in terms of humor. And there's also a part too,
Speaker 1: sche I do that now or later? What is it
Speaker 1: when you both were in your early twenties? What was
Speaker 1: y'all's relationship with aging, specifically through the lens of being
Speaker 1: a gay man? Yeah? We can do both. Okay, So
Speaker 1: how do you feel about relating to gen Z game in? Um,
Speaker 1: I don't feel there's that much of a I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, from my experience when I've I don't know
Speaker 1: that many years. I think that's what it comes down to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was trying to think, like, who are friends of
Speaker 1: mine that are twenty three? I mean, I'm sure we
Speaker 1: interact with twenty three yearls on a daily basis, but
Speaker 1: we are in our thirties, so like our close friends
Speaker 1: are just not twenty three and and thank god, I mean,
Speaker 1: how weird would it be if we were like, well,
Speaker 1: Jeffrey's kind of like this, but um, but no, I
Speaker 1: mean I did famously as we talked about once, I
Speaker 1: got drinks with a twenty three year old who like
Speaker 1: is in New York and he went to my college
Speaker 1: and it's like doing comedy and sweet were uh, you know,
Speaker 1: talking about that, and it was like I felt like
Speaker 1: culturally and I couldn't tell if he was like appeasing
Speaker 1: me or if it was like at least like you
Speaker 1: know that's he had the same cultural touchstones. Yes, they
Speaker 1: come at a different time and a different like have
Speaker 1: different meaning, like in ways that it can be jarring.
Speaker 1: Where it was like we're talking about like Gaga and
Speaker 1: he would be like, yeah, I mean I remember listening
Speaker 1: to Bad Romance and my Way to middle school and
Speaker 1: it's like, right, right right. That came out when I
Speaker 1: was in college, And that's like that really like it
Speaker 1: hits you like a ton of bricks of the difference
Speaker 1: in age, but like generally it was like we've we
Speaker 1: pretty much have the same language. But I don't know
Speaker 1: what's your experience. Yeah, I mean my uh my youngest
Speaker 1: sisters was born in two thousand, which is so crazy
Speaker 1: to think about, and I'm very close with her, and
Speaker 1: I like, you know, there are differences between us, but
Speaker 1: like we pretty much speak the same language. The one
Speaker 1: kind of thing I would say about all this is
Speaker 1: that because you and I are very like spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time on the internet, I actually think we
Speaker 1: prob we probably relate much more to a year old
Speaker 1: than the average person in their thirties. Sure, that's a
Speaker 1: good point. I think like there's a sort of I mean,
Speaker 1: of course, there was a sort of like delayed adolescence
Speaker 1: that happens with doing comedy when we're like running around
Speaker 1: even even like in our thirties, like running around like
Speaker 1: shows and bars and getting techuilosdas with drink tickets. Like
Speaker 1: the average person, I mean, there are people the average
Speaker 1: person or ages like having children, you know, so I
Speaker 1: do think like there is less of a generation gap
Speaker 1: than there would be if I was like an executive
Speaker 1: at Shell. So yeah, I definitely don't feel like I Also,
Speaker 1: it's so funny like the way these generation gaps are
Speaker 1: like talked about. I always thought it was kind of
Speaker 1: a joke when people were like gen Z sucks, Millennial suck,
Speaker 1: and then you realize people actually have strong feelings about it,
Speaker 1: and you're like, grow up. Yeah, Like literally this is
Speaker 1: so meaningless, Like, yes, everyone everyone has different cultural touchstones,
Speaker 1: and everyone grows up, and everyone inevitably like becomes more
Speaker 1: quote unquote mature or often becomes honestly more conservative in
Speaker 1: some ways, or their priorities change, and you kind of
Speaker 1: like I have to like extend some grace to people
Speaker 1: for being like different ages and different and coming from
Speaker 1: different life experiences. Yeah, like the idea, like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: whole idea that there's a feud between millennials and gen
Speaker 1: Z is like truly grow up. Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: is a funny thing because like, as millennials, like, what
Speaker 1: were my feelings towards gen X? Like I felt nothing
Speaker 1: towards them, Like it was like it was not something
Speaker 1: I thought of I mean, I do think ten years
Speaker 1: above us with ten years above us be gen X. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess so. Well. It's funny because my boyfriend is
Speaker 1: like seven seven and a half years older than me,
Speaker 1: and a lot of his friends are obviously older than him.
Speaker 1: So it is very like I have many friends now,
Speaker 1: especially through him, that are like that are like up
Speaker 1: to fifteen years older than me and have like children
Speaker 1: that are like in middle school, and I think, like
Speaker 1: me interacting with people older than me, it keeps into
Speaker 1: perspective my own differences with people younger than me. I
Speaker 1: fully agree, like I have older friends and it's like
Speaker 1: you learned to like it's like I used to will
Speaker 1: get along and understand the same things and like maybe
Speaker 1: have different perspectives on it slightly. But like like the
Speaker 1: people that I know that are like gen X, I'm
Speaker 1: not like like I do think we see the world
Speaker 1: a little bit differently, but not in a way that's
Speaker 1: like you're wrong, right, It's like, oh, and I actually
Speaker 1: appreciate a gen X perspective totally like it. There is
Speaker 1: a different outlook in a way that I'm like, there's
Speaker 1: something to it. It's true. Um, okay, And then Part
Speaker 1: two which I actually do like. Was when you both
Speaker 1: were in your early twenties, what was yrs relationship with aging,
Speaker 1: specifically through the lens of being a gay man, and
Speaker 1: how has it changed. I mean, it's so funny because
Speaker 1: the thing is, when you're in your early twenties, you
Speaker 1: don't think about anyone other than yourself. I didn't have
Speaker 1: relationship with age. I was not thinking of my early twenties. God,
Speaker 1: I like I am afraid of aging, or that I
Speaker 1: can't wait to age. I was just like, I'm depressed
Speaker 1: and hate myself. I was kind of obsessed with age.
Speaker 1: I really like HBO's girls, was like obsessed with being
Speaker 1: like in my twenties, and I was just like, this
Speaker 1: is the exact age I'm meant to be. But so honestly,
Speaker 1: my eight late twenties and like turning thirty, sorry to
Speaker 1: sound like the most boring person on earth was kind
Speaker 1: of jarring for a moment, but in a way where
Speaker 1: now I'm like, oh, that was childish to feel that way.
Speaker 1: Like now I'm like glad I don't feel that way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of love getting older. Yeah, it's kind of fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, whatever, check back in and however, many years
Speaker 1: maybe we'll be like full of cheek fillers and you know,
Speaker 1: be afraid of aging. But right now it's going fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my cheek filler looks great. You can't blink, but yeah,
Speaker 1: because my cheeks are so full. All right, Okay, next question. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is from Patrick. I love this. I'm a longtime listener,
Speaker 1: and I love that you've created a safe space for
Speaker 1: little monsters and kindest punks. I've loved Goga for as
Speaker 1: long as I can remember, But in the spirit of earnestness,
Speaker 1: I sometimes get conflicted about her motives and whether or
Speaker 1: not she being sincere with her fans. When I listened
Speaker 1: to her music, watch her life performances, and take in
Speaker 1: her fashion moments, I think she's a once in a
Speaker 1: generation genius. When I watch her promote oreos from her
Speaker 1: couch and say random ship about kindness during the grammatical ball,
Speaker 1: I get pessimistic and worry that her whole stick is
Speaker 1: totally hollow and that she's just a rich lady pulling
Speaker 1: one over on us. Do either of you have doubts
Speaker 1: slash qualms like this about mother Monster? Is she sincere
Speaker 1: and ultimately just basic? Should we care about her motives?
Speaker 1: If we love her music. I would love to know
Speaker 1: your thoughts. This is such a complicated topic. You got
Speaker 1: to go first. I mean that's the whole thing with her,
Speaker 1: Like it's like the push and pull where you're like,
Speaker 1: you can't trust her, and that's what like you. It's
Speaker 1: literally like I think of her as like a force.
Speaker 1: She is obviously a force, but you you crave that
Speaker 1: force to go towards the light. But the darkness is
Speaker 1: always calling her, and it is like so hard to
Speaker 1: know which way she's going to go and if her
Speaker 1: compass is right. I think she has good intentions, but
Speaker 1: I also think she has bad intentions. It's genuinely very
Speaker 1: hard to read her. Um. I saw a tweet recently
Speaker 1: that was like, so when Katie Perry voted for um,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, why am I blinking? Who cruso? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Who ran against Karen bass Um When Katie Pry cruso,
Speaker 1: uh my kind of internet friend Nolan quote tweeted and
Speaker 1: was like, thank gods. Definitely doesn't know what year it is,
Speaker 1: and that, to be like really encapsulates. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she doesn't know what year it is, so you have
Speaker 1: to kind of go into everything with that mindset that
Speaker 1: she's like essentially like since since she was like eighteen
Speaker 1: years old, she has been pretending she is like a
Speaker 1: seven year old cook. Yeah, and so just like and
Speaker 1: and and and in terms of like oreo chromatica oreos
Speaker 1: and like her skin caroline and stuff, it's like, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: this is the world we live in. I mean say
Speaker 1: that it also okay, I know what it is for me.
Speaker 1: You know those balls like a metal ball that you
Speaker 1: dropped down like a thing, and you're almost like a
Speaker 1: betting thing or and you like see which one it
Speaker 1: lands on, Like Gaga is that always where it's like
Speaker 1: oh please go no no no, no, no no, no, she's
Speaker 1: coming back. No no, no, I mean yeah, she's just
Speaker 1: like yeah, I just I know part of me is
Speaker 1: ever going to take her literally or like interrogate her
Speaker 1: intentions in an earnest way. And maybe that's a cop out,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, she's a cartoon character. She's a cartoon character.
Speaker 1: And what's funny is when she is like pretending to
Speaker 1: be super maybe not even pretending. I believe that she
Speaker 1: is super earnest. I mean she again, it's not original state,
Speaker 1: but she is like a full like she's like a
Speaker 1: theater kid at heart, and even when she does her
Speaker 1: like a little sponsored stuff, like there is a part
Speaker 1: of even that that feels earnest where she's like I
Speaker 1: am feeding everyone oreos. It's also just like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: aren't gen x, and like we aren't fully anti corporate
Speaker 1: in a funny way where it's like, I mean, people
Speaker 1: are gonna work with corporations at least it's gonna be
Speaker 1: Gaga making silly or yeah, I know it's tough. I
Speaker 1: mean I do through phases where sometimes the weight of
Speaker 1: all of it hits me and I'm like, the world
Speaker 1: is so deeply broken, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like and it and it feels almost too much to bear,
Speaker 1: but yes, you have to kind of go through the
Speaker 1: world with a bit of horse blinders on the times. Um,
Speaker 1: it's only she's I don't know, and maybe I do
Speaker 1: make too many justifications from her, but I'm like, she's
Speaker 1: not the Obama's No, no, she's not, Like well that's
Speaker 1: what I've always said, Like it keeps kind of I
Speaker 1: don't know, to be honest, that shocks me on a
Speaker 1: daily basis how seriously people take celebrities And I say
Speaker 1: this as not as someone who thinks are better like
Speaker 1: I love pop culture or whatever, but like you do
Speaker 1: just have to like be like none of this matters.
Speaker 1: Like what matters is like actual you know, social and
Speaker 1: economic and political issues, like whether Lady Gaga is like
Speaker 1: earnest and her intentions is not like that. We all
Speaker 1: end all for the record, we want Lady got to
Speaker 1: be taxed. Yes, that's right, Yes we do want lad
Speaker 1: It's always when Katie Perry voted for Cruizo, they were
Speaker 1: is funny when so many people were like, so this
Speaker 1: is what y'all's faves like, So yeah, just remember next
Speaker 1: time when when you think you're relating to someone that
Speaker 1: they're actually rich and it's like, yeah, like who are
Speaker 1: you addressing? I thought Katy Perry was like relatable and
Speaker 1: had like socialist politics. What are you talking what are
Speaker 1: you talking about? She is one of the most the
Speaker 1: dumbest ones we have. She's literally one of the dumbest
Speaker 1: people who has ever lived. My final I just want
Speaker 1: to say one final thing about Lady Gaga. I grew
Speaker 1: up for better or worse as like a huge Madonna fan,
Speaker 1: and Madonna talk about someone who disappoints you, like every
Speaker 1: day with everything. It's like when you have cut your teeth.
Speaker 1: As a Madonna fan, nothing nothing can like make you
Speaker 1: feel bad like Lady Gaga having cammatica oreos. Please have
Speaker 1: you seen what Madonna was doing for all of the nineties.
Speaker 1: I mean literally I was a Kanye fan and it's
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I'll take an oreo please, thank you exactly.
Speaker 1: This is from Joel. Do you consider yourselves artists? And
Speaker 1: if so, what motivates you to keep making your art
Speaker 1: or doing your work? If you don't think of yourself
Speaker 1: as an artist? So wow, what do you think? We
Speaker 1: were kind of like, is there any way to answer
Speaker 1: this without sounding and sufferable? And We're like, yeah, we'll try,
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, wait anothers actually I will. My
Speaker 1: earnest answer is I do not think about that. I
Speaker 1: would have to agree like it is not something that
Speaker 1: is important, like that distinction is not something that's important.
Speaker 1: I actually like that answer a lot because I fully agree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how I feel about it. Literally, never in my
Speaker 1: life have I been tortured about whether or not I'm
Speaker 1: an artist. I think the moment I think of my
Speaker 1: whatever I'm doing as like important. I am now then
Speaker 1: unable to do it. I have to think of what
Speaker 1: I'm doing as stupid and irrelevant, or I will never
Speaker 1: do it and thank god it is great. Next. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is funny. This is from Austin, Hi, Sam
Speaker 1: and George. I never thought it could happen to me.
Speaker 1: I was at the Pavement show in early October with
Speaker 1: my best friend Prince C, straight woman. She saw Sam
Speaker 1: from like three feet away, yelled celebrity sighting, and then
Speaker 1: waved at him until he waved back. A few weeks later,
Speaker 1: I was at Top Dog Underdog with my straight guy friend.
Speaker 1: I saw George from a distance, but my friend, whose
Speaker 1: glasses prescription is six years old, couldn't see him, and
Speaker 1: so he took a very zoomed in picture attached After
Speaker 1: completing the stradio lab pokey decks, I have a few questions.
Speaker 1: Did you guys like the show? Our concerts for girls
Speaker 1: and plays for boys? Is that why the combination of
Speaker 1: concerts and plays musical theater is gay? Is that why
Speaker 1: I was at both? When you are recognized in public,
Speaker 1: do you prefer it to happen Pavement style demands your
Speaker 1: attention from close quarters or Top Dog Underdog style creepy
Speaker 1: surveillance you didn't know happened until a month after the fact.
Speaker 1: If ever, um and they attached actually a really amazing
Speaker 1: photo of George in the theater that he doesn't know
Speaker 1: as being taken of him, which is funny. I love
Speaker 1: you look great. So did we like the show? I did.
Speaker 1: I had a good time at the show. I had
Speaker 1: a lot of fun hanging out with Claro Kane and
Speaker 1: watching the band. There was is I will say there
Speaker 1: was a hint of sadness in the like nostalgia element,
Speaker 1: nostalgia element and sort of feeling everyone being older and
Speaker 1: almost feeling like what are we doing? Like sort of
Speaker 1: like what is this? Like? Is this is this good?
Speaker 1: Like they don't did they don't really like they were
Speaker 1: having fun, but it's like something they're like making new music,
Speaker 1: like they're doing this too please the fans and like
Speaker 1: put on a big, fun show, and it was sort
Speaker 1: of like there was an element of it that half
Speaker 1: bummed me out, even though I was enjoying and they
Speaker 1: have meant a lot to me before, so it was
Speaker 1: kind of weird. They were one of my big cultural
Speaker 1: blind spots. I have never gone through pavement phase. I
Speaker 1: think Matthew really like Pavement when he was younger, and
Speaker 1: we have like a couple of their records at home.
Speaker 1: But I've I've I don't even know if I've ever
Speaker 1: if I could name a Pavement song, It's just like
Speaker 1: one of those bands that I never got into. I
Speaker 1: will say it was fun. I do think it made
Speaker 1: me realize how far I have strayed from indie rock
Speaker 1: as a genre. And I was like, this is kind
Speaker 1: of fun. I forgot how like bitchy, uh like Stephen
Speaker 1: Malchomist can be where it's just like like annoyed at
Speaker 1: the audience. And I'm like, oh, because I am so
Speaker 1: used to people being like, how's it going. That makes
Speaker 1: some noise and it was like, oh, this guy is
Speaker 1: being a bit to me, and and thank god I
Speaker 1: needed that. Um okay. I went to Top Dog Underdog
Speaker 1: to play um, the Susan Laurie Parks play on Broadway.
Speaker 1: I did really like it. Yeah, I really liked it.
Speaker 1: I felt like, so it ends with this like really
Speaker 1: emotional monologue, and I do I'm sorry to say, but
Speaker 1: everyone I've talked to agrees with his Yeah, yeah, who's
Speaker 1: the actor that? Do you remember the actor? Do you
Speaker 1: ever watch Watchman on HBO. Yes, it's the guy that's
Speaker 1: Regina King's husband who plays the blue guy. So he's
Speaker 1: he had the final monologue. I did feel like he
Speaker 1: didn't quite stick the landing with the monologue, which is
Speaker 1: it's like, who am I to judge? He is an
Speaker 1: incredible actor, but there was something it just took me
Speaker 1: out of it a little bit, like it was not
Speaker 1: fully there and every and I've everyone I talked to
Speaker 1: kind of agrees, but the rest of it I thought
Speaker 1: was really good. And yeah, I mean, I've really been
Speaker 1: kind of like, ever since theater reopened, I've been really
Speaker 1: prioritizing trying to see plays because I think the pandemic
Speaker 1: made me realize. I don't know how how much I
Speaker 1: took it for granted that they existed before and I
Speaker 1: didn't make an effort to see them. So I've and
Speaker 1: that's been like one of the ones I've been like
Speaker 1: most excited to see. Yeah, I mean, I wish I
Speaker 1: had something better to say. I with theater, I'm always like,
Speaker 1: I really enjoy it, but I have no education in
Speaker 1: it and could not don't even know like the right
Speaker 1: terms when talking about theater or acting or anything. I
Speaker 1: just I'm kind of like, well, sometimes I like it,
Speaker 1: sometimes I don't. Um, I think we should cut to
Speaker 1: the right when you were recognized in public, to prefer
Speaker 1: it to happen up close or surveillance style. I mean,
Speaker 1: once again, not to be self a grand I think
Speaker 1: it's not like we're being recognized left and right now.
Speaker 1: So it's rare enough that it actually is very fun
Speaker 1: when someone comes up. It's because it's very rare and
Speaker 1: it's never like annoying. No, we still very much enjoy it.
Speaker 1: We are actually, if you can believe it, not famous.
Speaker 1: We in fact have a gay podcast, um, which is amazing. Okay,
Speaker 1: next one, but we'll let you know when. Again. By
Speaker 1: the way, the best is at a gay bar. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just so fun and we're all we're all family.
Speaker 1: We're all family. Girl. Okay. This is from Benjamin. As
Speaker 1: I write, Twitter appears to be on the verge of
Speaker 1: collapse through to machinations of capital as its users crowd
Speaker 1: around its deathbed. Do you have any favorite tweet slash
Speaker 1: accounts that you will cherish the memory of totally? Okay,
Speaker 1: if not, thank you, I can I actually know what
Speaker 1: my favorite tweeting please, um, okay, fuck let me. I mean,
Speaker 1: I wish I remembered the tweeter's name, but I actually
Speaker 1: think I can find it. Here's the thing. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say the tweet, and if you search this you will
Speaker 1: find who tweeted it. And I'm really sorry. I'm not
Speaker 1: crediting her name. I think her name starts with an
Speaker 1: L and and and and I fell her. It is
Speaker 1: from like the kind of golden era of Twitter, where
Speaker 1: like everyone's being so stupid, but the tweet is so
Speaker 1: what a vaccines make your kid artistic? That doesn't always
Speaker 1: mean he's gay. It's like one of those things that
Speaker 1: so toes the line of almost being incredibly offensive, but
Speaker 1: it is ultimately like literally like word play. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: it feels dangerous without actually at all like making any
Speaker 1: kind of statement, and it's just it's it's so funny
Speaker 1: to me that, oh, can I say the other one?
Speaker 1: So Patricia Lockwood once tweeted like I wish I remember
Speaker 1: the wording of it. But it was at Paris Review,
Speaker 1: like that the Paris Reviews account. It was like at
Speaker 1: Paris Review, So what do you give Paris or like
Speaker 1: or like, so, so what's that so like where did
Speaker 1: we land on Paris or something something along those lines.
Speaker 1: It was much better worded, but like it was one
Speaker 1: of those things that now seems almost like okay, expected,
Speaker 1: but at the time it was like, this is genius,
Speaker 1: probably like nine or something like I know, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of like old old tweets. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I can't think of a true one, but whatever, I
Speaker 1: love the thought. Okay, this is from Angelina. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's from Angelina Julia. That's huge. Now you're a corporate
Speaker 1: darlings with big money advertisers. Who would your ideal sponsors
Speaker 1: be if you had to choose them? What is the
Speaker 1: studio lab brand? Um? Well, this is fun because we
Speaker 1: were at some point asked to give a list of
Speaker 1: brands we would want to work with, and we were
Speaker 1: so stumped. It was like I've never been asked to
Speaker 1: talk the question in my life because it was like
Speaker 1: no offense. Um, I understand that that is a normal
Speaker 1: part of having our podcast, and of course it would
Speaker 1: be much better to do ads for things that we enjoy,
Speaker 1: but I was really like, wait, what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Like there's a part of me that there's part of
Speaker 1: me that almost likes a separation of church and state,
Speaker 1: like not knowing what our ads are because I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm a radio personality and I it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's not up to me what the ads are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the ads aren't about me. Yeah, but basically we can
Speaker 1: say a few that we put in that well, we
Speaker 1: were sort of inspired by the Poog approach and we
Speaker 1: were sort of like, well, how can we just get
Speaker 1: like free things that we like? Because I remember being like,
Speaker 1: can we do an ad for like Equinox, like I
Speaker 1: want to go to a fancy gym? You Also we
Speaker 1: said like we kept saying um like clothing brand like
Speaker 1: like lands end LLL being Patagonia, Like we were like
Speaker 1: we want outerwear and like fun cozy pajama um Mine was,
Speaker 1: which I think I've talked about. Matthew is a huge
Speaker 1: Nuts dot Com stand and so I was like, if
Speaker 1: I could get free nuts dot com, like that would
Speaker 1: be the most incredible present I could give him. And
Speaker 1: Nuts dot Com is fris I know, was like a
Speaker 1: family round company that like I wouldn't mind supporting. No,
Speaker 1: that's very the thing is also what we're talking about before.
Speaker 1: It's like so many corporations are so bad when it's
Speaker 1: like even if their corporations, I like, like, like I
Speaker 1: eat at Chipotle, I have a relationship with chipotleh And
Speaker 1: I was like, it would be funny to do an
Speaker 1: average pole and it's like, oh, right there in the
Speaker 1: news for like busting unions. So it's like, I don't
Speaker 1: really want to do an adverage pole and really looking
Speaker 1: up the email of earthenity brands, Oh no, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be so embarrassing. I won't do all of them. Okay,
Speaker 1: I did say Warby Parker because my glasses are Wrby Parker.
Speaker 1: Guess what, I look fucking incredible? Oh. I said all
Speaker 1: Cloud cookwear because they're really expensive and they're really good
Speaker 1: quality cookwear. Um. Oh, I said the Real Real because
Speaker 1: I honestly have many clothes from the Real Real. Is
Speaker 1: this interesting? Um? I think it's interesting on a more
Speaker 1: general sense. When would just say a study lab brand, Well,
Speaker 1: it's young, it's young, it's gay, it's gay, and it
Speaker 1: is random, which is why nuts dot com is in
Speaker 1: a weird way the perfect it's so young, it's so gay,
Speaker 1: it's like unexpected, and we could be like, you know,
Speaker 1: people don't know about it, but that's not com Yeah right, okay, Sam,
Speaker 1: not to be insane, but I did in fact meet
Speaker 1: your brother the other night through a mutual comedy friend,
Speaker 1: and he is lovely. I don't think I realized that
Speaker 1: you had a sibling who was also a performer until
Speaker 1: a few months ago, despite having been a fan of
Speaker 1: yours since the dawn of time. Wow, that's amazing as
Speaker 1: someone who could not be more different from their sibling
Speaker 1: in every way, I'm so curious what it's like to
Speaker 1: share this space with your brother in whatever ways you
Speaker 1: do overlap. What did this look like for you two
Speaker 1: when you were growing up, How did you both end
Speaker 1: up getting into the biz, And do you ever talk
Speaker 1: about slash bond over comedy stuff? I love this question. Um.
Speaker 1: I love both of my siblings, my older sister and
Speaker 1: my younger brother, but my brother is in comedy. Um,
Speaker 1: we've sort of like compartmentalized. I think by having it
Speaker 1: be sort of different approaches, Like he has more of
Speaker 1: a writer early and director early approach, and I went
Speaker 1: in more like stand up the performery, and I think
Speaker 1: our overlap is maybe like writing like, but he's definitely
Speaker 1: more like on the film track, but I think he's
Speaker 1: trying to do more stand up in in performance because
Speaker 1: he also likes solo performance and is good at it.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty seamless for the most part, and
Speaker 1: I think it's helpful to like he can ask me
Speaker 1: about like what do you think I should focus on
Speaker 1: right now? Or like who, like what is a good
Speaker 1: use of my time? And like I can like one
Speaker 1: time I was writing a script for I think, maybe
Speaker 1: just have a sample and I but I have no
Speaker 1: like training and scriptwriting where he like went to college
Speaker 1: for film and creative writing, and so I like asked
Speaker 1: sent it to him and was like, what is does
Speaker 1: this make sense? Like is this like structurally correct? And
Speaker 1: it was like, I think, very helpful. Um, we do
Speaker 1: bond over comedy stuff, you know, growing up we like
Speaker 1: the same things. We laughed at the same things, and
Speaker 1: we're influenced by a lot of the same things and
Speaker 1: just made each other laugh a lot, which is not
Speaker 1: that weird. I mean it helps that he's just like
Speaker 1: a genuinely sweet and nice person and like so seamless.
Speaker 1: Whenever we have gone out for drink or something and
Speaker 1: he's there, he's like so seamlessly. Part of the group.
Speaker 1: It's not like it's Sam's brother, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's the best. Yeah, he's a little stars, he's
Speaker 1: got it all and little he's twenty nine. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he is three ft four yeah, very little three inches.
Speaker 1: Um all right, okay, and George George, Yes, I don't
Speaker 1: think your siblings are comedians proper, but with comedy and
Speaker 1: interest you all shared growing up. My brother and I
Speaker 1: were definitely both interested in performing, but we ended up
Speaker 1: veering off in completely different directions as people as we
Speaker 1: got older. T b H. I do think he's a
Speaker 1: little bit jealous because I started to pursue comedy as
Speaker 1: I say it, with me thirty year old, and he
Speaker 1: has yet to make the leap in your resting. I
Speaker 1: love that. Um. Well, yes, my sisters are incredibly funny,
Speaker 1: as are my parents. And I'm not saying this is
Speaker 1: like a fake humble thing, but like when we're all together,
Speaker 1: I'm not the funniest one by any means. Like, my
Speaker 1: youngest sister is like so almost like almost vaudevillian, like
Speaker 1: she does these impressions of our grandmother that are so
Speaker 1: spot on, or like in terms of my mom or
Speaker 1: like she she will think of like a gesture that like,
Speaker 1: let's say our mom does that I hadn't even noticed,
Speaker 1: and then she does it, and it's it's like seeing,
Speaker 1: you know whatever, like a really good actor played like
Speaker 1: a historical figure in a movie where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're like nailing the bit or whatever. Neither of them
Speaker 1: ever had any intention to pursue comedy. I don't think
Speaker 1: they're like drawn to writing or performing. I think they're
Speaker 1: just like very funny and conversation and very smart. Interestingly,
Speaker 1: all three of us had an artistic passion and I'm
Speaker 1: the only one who pursued it. But I don't think
Speaker 1: that for them it was like that they pursued their
Speaker 1: second Like I don't think they gave up or something.
Speaker 1: I think they earnestly like cared more about the more
Speaker 1: serious thing they pursued. So like my middle sister did
Speaker 1: a lot of visual art, like in college she almost
Speaker 1: mine eard in art and had like a solo show
Speaker 1: of paintings and in college at some point, and took
Speaker 1: drawing classes in high school and was considering being an architect,
Speaker 1: and I think just like ended up enjoying engineering and
Speaker 1: like wanting to go into a stable job. But it's
Speaker 1: not like she like stays up at night being like,
Speaker 1: oh God, I wish I were a painter. I think
Speaker 1: it's like it's not like a sad thing. And then
Speaker 1: my youngest sister, it was like an incredible ballet dancer
Speaker 1: who would go to like ballet camps where she was
Speaker 1: the only one that wasn't like homeschooled, like all the
Speaker 1: other ones were like specifically pursuing ballet. And my sister
Speaker 1: literally is now in medical school, and so I mean,
Speaker 1: from what I know about the ballet world, I'm very
Speaker 1: happy she's on part of it. Like, yeah, I saw
Speaker 1: black Swan. I cannot go through that. I don't want
Speaker 1: her to turn into a Swan. No that. And she
Speaker 1: just loves medicine so much. It's like, I mean, she
Speaker 1: can't wait to be a surgeon and whatever. And there's
Speaker 1: always thinking about residencies and all this stuff. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the only one who pursues something creative. However, it's
Speaker 1: not that like they're jealous of me or something. They
Speaker 1: are in many ways way happier than that I am. Yeah. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is from wit who says, how do you two
Speaker 1: deal with a feeling that you cannot prove yourself to family, peers,
Speaker 1: or yourself with various projects you each are a part of.
Speaker 1: Or have you ever felt this? I know attacked to
Speaker 1: say I'm doing it for myself, Mama, but I really
Speaker 1: don't ever want to lose focus and try to do
Speaker 1: something that I think would please others over my own aspirations.
Speaker 1: Are we chasing a false and intangible satiation? Why do
Speaker 1: I know not to compare or strive for other success,
Speaker 1: yet spend every waking moment doing it? Will she princes me? Ever?
Speaker 1: Be there? Love that? Um? So, what was the first question?
Speaker 1: How to deal with a feeling that you cannot prove
Speaker 1: yourself to family, peers, or yourself with the various projects
Speaker 1: you each are part of. Um? Well, I can tell
Speaker 1: a story that's kind of relevant to this that I think,
Speaker 1: like maybe might be helpful. Um My parents have only
Speaker 1: ever see me do stand up once. It's not because
Speaker 1: they don't want to, because they literally live in a
Speaker 1: different country. But one time, when they were visiting me
Speaker 1: in Boston, I took them to my home club, the
Speaker 1: Comedy Studio, and they saw me do a set and
Speaker 1: they didn't have a great reaction to it. Like, I
Speaker 1: think it was very shocking for them to see me
Speaker 1: do something that felt so outside the realm of what
Speaker 1: they expected I would be pursuing. And it's funny because
Speaker 1: I had kind of planned the whole thing and it
Speaker 1: was the weekend of my grad school graduation. So I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, well, they will first see that I
Speaker 1: did grad school, and I also have this as I
Speaker 1: like I knew that it would be difficult for them,
Speaker 1: but I and I wasn't and I was like, okay, great,
Speaker 1: so there's the perfect thing, Like they will first see
Speaker 1: me excelling academically and then they will see me do this.
Speaker 1: And even so I could just tell that it was
Speaker 1: like shocking for them, and I had a really really
Speaker 1: negative reaction that I kind of regret, Like I was
Speaker 1: like so offended that they weren't like complimentary, and I
Speaker 1: was like yelling at them, and it was really like
Speaker 1: it kind of ruined our weekend, to be honest, in
Speaker 1: a way that I don't think was necessary. Um, and
Speaker 1: I think they respond well to like traditional markers of success.
Speaker 1: So for instance, the fact like if we were like
Speaker 1: written up in a magazine, They're like, oh, I know
Speaker 1: what that is. So I am proud. And I think
Speaker 1: once I realized that, I was like, oh, well, then
Speaker 1: I can separate myself from that and do my own
Speaker 1: thing and like every now and then they'll be like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, yeah, and then they don't have to
Speaker 1: know that I'm also doing shows like in basements like um,
Speaker 1: and it's not and and I and I no longer.
Speaker 1: I don't think I like really seek their approval in
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, I don't know is that helpful. I
Speaker 1: don't really think I'm motivated by approval person I The
Speaker 1: toxic things that I think about are more like, um,
Speaker 1: how am I going to make money? And and and like
Speaker 1: will I let's say I have a job that lasted
Speaker 1: certain number of months, will I then be able to
Speaker 1: find it next job? Like? Those are the things that
Speaker 1: stressed me out more so than will I have the
Speaker 1: approval of my peers? Yeah, I definitely think about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, my parents are very sweet and
Speaker 1: they're very good at saying like we're proud of you,
Speaker 1: We're like happy that you've done that. But I also
Speaker 1: think they I think they were skeptical when I started,
Speaker 1: but in a way that I was like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: should be like totally. I wasn't and I definitely it
Speaker 1: wasn't my goal to impress them. Uh. It was always
Speaker 1: my goal to like just do it. And it was
Speaker 1: like I understand that you're being And I almost think
Speaker 1: that was helpful for them, because when you're looking for
Speaker 1: their approval, there's like, well there's nothing to approve yet,
Speaker 1: like you haven't. It's like you just moved to New
Speaker 1: York to do open mics. What are you talking about? Um?
Speaker 1: And they were essentially like, as long as you're paying
Speaker 1: your own rent. Like I was going to say, like
Speaker 1: not to open a can of worms, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would never feel comfortable like ask my parents for
Speaker 1: money so that I could pursue gone, Like yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that would be Like I don't know, there's
Speaker 1: something about being financial independent where you're like, well I
Speaker 1: can do whatever I want. Yeah, um yeah. But in
Speaker 1: terms of our peers though, I do cravy. Yeah, it's true,
Speaker 1: it's true. I really like I'm very aware of how
Speaker 1: I react when I think someone is doing bad material
Speaker 1: or hack material, or if they're like pandering, or if
Speaker 1: they're doing clapture like and I do feel like sometimes
Speaker 1: if something doesn't land. I'm so aware of the fact
Speaker 1: that people are watching in the audience. I not to
Speaker 1: be we're being earnestness. I had a meeting in a
Speaker 1: Los Angeles meeting and I was telling them about the
Speaker 1: show I used to do, and because I was like
Speaker 1: telling them about this idea I had about like a
Speaker 1: pop star thing, and I was like, you know, I
Speaker 1: used to the show and like I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if like blank you saw it because
Speaker 1: you were at that other thing. And they were like,
Speaker 1: no one's seen that in a way where because I
Speaker 1: was like, I think I might bring it back, but
Speaker 1: I'm worried it's like hack and they were like, you know,
Speaker 1: no one, like maybe two people saw that show, like
Speaker 1: in the whole world. And I was like, oh see,
Speaker 1: I'm so concerned with did open mic friend to see this?
Speaker 1: Like will they think when I post about this on
Speaker 1: Instagram that I suck now? And it's like, why is that?
Speaker 1: That is a weird thing to care so deeply about?
Speaker 1: And I think it was kind of a wake up,
Speaker 1: like I was like, maybe I do need to break
Speaker 1: my I mean, it's helpful to keep in mind, but
Speaker 1: it's not helpful to tie yourself to Well, there's a
Speaker 1: way in which it's all public where I mean, imagine
Speaker 1: if you're someone who works in a job and you're
Speaker 1: like making a power point presentage or something and all
Speaker 1: your friends and like all your friends have seen every
Speaker 1: power point you've ever made, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you know, like, oh my god, what am I
Speaker 1: gonna do? Fall back on my stop relying on that graphic, mama,
Speaker 1: And it's just like that is so unhappus, it's unnatural,
Speaker 1: and it like only exists in our specific literally only
Speaker 1: in performance basic because even if you're just a writer,
Speaker 1: then it's just the people that are in the room
Speaker 1: with you that know what you're pitching. You can go
Speaker 1: and pitch the same exact joke like five times in
Speaker 1: row in different rooms and no one will know. So, yes,
Speaker 1: it is weird. And in fact, I would like to
Speaker 1: retract what I said before I do crave my peers approval. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I actually need to crave it a little bit
Speaker 1: less agreed. Okay, next question always seem to ask me
Speaker 1: to people is about their diets and skincare routines. But
Speaker 1: I'd like to know more about your cultural slash media diet.
Speaker 1: What do you consume that's good and bad for you?
Speaker 1: How do you keep your comedy brain nourished? What rituals
Speaker 1: do you want to build? Okay, I just want to
Speaker 1: say I pitched this as an idea at Glackra that
Speaker 1: we should do something like grub Street diet, but it's
Speaker 1: about people's media diet, and then we were like gonna
Speaker 1: do it, and then literally another way I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I think it might be The Verge, but like another
Speaker 1: website started doing it and I was like pissed. Anyway, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: media diets. Do you want to go first? Um? Sure,
Speaker 1: I think this year I'll a this year. I've been
Speaker 1: trying to like be more active. I mean maybe it's
Speaker 1: a constant pursuit. I don't remember when I started to
Speaker 1: be trying more active, but I'm trying to be more
Speaker 1: active in what I do consume because I you know,
Speaker 1: when you're scrolling on your phone and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I just wasted an hour. Like if I am on
Speaker 1: like TikTok for even a half hour, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: jump off a cliff. Um. So I have taken up.
Speaker 1: I've been reading more, which has been helpful because I
Speaker 1: it does calm and nourish me, and it honestly is
Speaker 1: like I think the older I get, the more I
Speaker 1: return to it, where I'm like, this actually does make
Speaker 1: me feel better. I feel like I'm learning, but I
Speaker 1: also feel like I'm being entertained and I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm relaxing, and it really is something that is nice.
Speaker 1: I like watching TV is hard because there's so much TV,
Speaker 1: and I like I'm pretentious about it too, in a
Speaker 1: way that I don't necessarily like, where I'm like, only
Speaker 1: want to watch the best, and it's like I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to drop that, you know what. Though it's good,
Speaker 1: it's like there's so much garbage, Like why why watch
Speaker 1: all the gardens? Like I'm kind of honestly, something we
Speaker 1: have in common is that we don't watch reality TV
Speaker 1: and like no offense to people who do, but like
Speaker 1: I kind of like that about us. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: there's something to it. But I also am starting to
Speaker 1: get sick of like sometimes I will be like, like
Speaker 1: the Prestigio stuff. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I I know
Speaker 1: I've been a little I've been pretty uninspired by TV,
Speaker 1: but I am Yeah, I've also been seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of movies trying to it's so helpful to be able
Speaker 1: to go to a movie theater. For me, I don't
Speaker 1: like watching movies that I completely agree. What what what
Speaker 1: would you say to your answers? UM, Well, in terms
Speaker 1: of like news stuff, I every morning I try to
Speaker 1: read the I read the New York Times, um European
Speaker 1: morning newsletter really because it's like better at having like
Speaker 1: world news. I found that during the pandemic, the US
Speaker 1: one was so like focused on specifically COVID news in
Speaker 1: the US, where I was like, I understand this is important,
Speaker 1: but like it's not helping me to just like read
Speaker 1: the numbers every morning and then like five paragraphs about them.
Speaker 1: And so that has been kind of a nice just
Speaker 1: like it's like a nice rundown of just like what's
Speaker 1: going on in the world, And even if sometimes it
Speaker 1: kind of washes over me. I'm like, at any given point,
Speaker 1: I like vaguely know what's happening in Ukraine, and like
Speaker 1: vaguely know if there's an election in another country, and
Speaker 1: I think it's like I don't know. It's just like
Speaker 1: a nice um. Not that I have like important opinions
Speaker 1: about any of these things, but it is nice to
Speaker 1: just like be aware. I find that it makes me
Speaker 1: feel like more grounded in the world to like have
Speaker 1: a sense of what's going on. And then we subscribe
Speaker 1: to like the New Yorker and New York Magazine because
Speaker 1: my boyfriend works there, and those that kind of like
Speaker 1: dip in and out. Like there can be like months
Speaker 1: from IM like really reading a lot of magazines and
Speaker 1: then full like six months where I don't open a
Speaker 1: single one. Another thing I would like to add is
Speaker 1: that one thing, one specific thing that I can't tell
Speaker 1: if it's good or brad for me that I am
Speaker 1: doing right now is playing the like playing video games,
Speaker 1: and specifically I've been playing like elden Ring, which is
Speaker 1: like very involved and requires like you have to like
Speaker 1: remember you have to like know the map and like
Speaker 1: remember where to go to get certain items, and it's
Speaker 1: like very expansive and like very time consuming, and I
Speaker 1: do have fun with it, but I'm at the same time,
Speaker 1: I'm like that was four hours totally was what do
Speaker 1: I feel better? And I cannot tell And I know
Speaker 1: not everything needs to be for productivity. You can have fun, um,
Speaker 1: but I am sort of torn on like whether or
Speaker 1: not that is like even a good way to have fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think in terms of like movies music,
Speaker 1: Like music is honestly something I would like to be
Speaker 1: better at being intentional about. I don't I've never been
Speaker 1: someone who makes playlists. I end up just like whatever
Speaker 1: comes to mind. I'm like, uh, him, and then I'll
Speaker 1: just like play him and like let it, let it play,
Speaker 1: or like I don't know, we gotta record player, and
Speaker 1: I thought that would be better for us, but then
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well now we have like nine records.
Speaker 1: I guess it's like a lifelong battle. Um. And then
Speaker 1: like movies, I completely agree with you that I have
Speaker 1: to be in a theater. I mean, I don't have
Speaker 1: to be in a theater, but it really helps to
Speaker 1: be in a theater. Like I thought I would be
Speaker 1: so much better at watching movies during the pandemic. I
Speaker 1: subscribe to criteria and all this stuff, and I never
Speaker 1: want to watch movies. No, you need a theater, I yeah.
Speaker 1: And then TV, I'm like, I don't know, it's like
Speaker 1: every now and then I'll get into a show. But
Speaker 1: I've been rewatching a lot of Curb and thirty Rock
Speaker 1: I'm watching curb too. Okay, next question. The question is, George,
Speaker 1: you have hinted that there are much better Greek aisles
Speaker 1: to visit than the popular tourist destinations. Can you give
Speaker 1: a breakdown. I am badly needed a vacation and this
Speaker 1: is our last email question. Okay, can you answer? All right? Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm alone in the room. I'm alone in the room. Um. Yes,
Speaker 1: I would say that I am a little out of
Speaker 1: the loop in terms of what the trendy islands are.
Speaker 1: I feel like I used to be way more aware
Speaker 1: of that when I was in high school. But I
Speaker 1: really like when I was in high school, when I
Speaker 1: was like eighteen, I really liked going to ka um
Speaker 1: ko u f f f okay ko u f o
Speaker 1: n I s s i um. It's like super walkable
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of like camping and it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel to overrun by tourists. And then I would say
Speaker 1: that if you look into like the less well known
Speaker 1: cyclastic islands, so the most well known ones obviously like
Speaker 1: Santrainian Miconos, but if you look at like Folegndros or Amoros,
Speaker 1: those are really nice places. Idra and Spetzes are really
Speaker 1: nice islands to go to. And then my family recently
Speaker 1: has been going to Tinos, which is very up and coming,
Speaker 1: I hear, but again, I'm sure I'm missing things. I
Speaker 1: whenever people ask me for cool rex, like queer rex
Speaker 1: or like recommendations and Athens, I I'm always at a
Speaker 1: loss because I truly have not lived there since I
Speaker 1: was eighteen, and it has undergone many different booms and
Speaker 1: busts since then, So that would be my answer. Wow,
Speaker 1: I can't believe there were enough islands to talk about
Speaker 1: while I went pe. Okay, so those are our email questions,
Speaker 1: by the way, we say this every time we do this,
Speaker 1: but we can't get to all the questions. But we
Speaker 1: did read literally every single one of them, and and
Speaker 1: some of them we didn't get to, not because they're bad,
Speaker 1: but because they like would require too long of an
Speaker 1: answer and there's simply no time. But we appreciate every
Speaker 1: single one of them genuinely. Okay, all right, and I
Speaker 1: will say we have four questions left. Okay, here's one
Speaker 1: from Caroline, how do y'all feel about marijuana? And then
Speaker 1: it's twelve question marks. See, I love our d M
Speaker 1: questions because they're definitely a more casual energy in a
Speaker 1: way that is like are appropriate, Um, I can start.
Speaker 1: I feel like for literally I was scared of it
Speaker 1: and bad at it for like still I was like
Speaker 1: twenty seven, And now I'm like, I think, actually maybe
Speaker 1: I'll even very rarely did it until like the pandemic
Speaker 1: and then I was like, okay, I need something else
Speaker 1: around here. Um, and now it's like a It's like
Speaker 1: such a fun I love. Now I'm like a once
Speaker 1: a week and Edible on a Sunday is like the
Speaker 1: truly the best way to relax. Um. I love the stuff.
Speaker 1: I honestly love to I I have never I'm just
Speaker 1: not a big I'm not a big weed person. First
Speaker 1: of all, I think we maybe even talked about this.
Speaker 1: I have never been a social weed person. Or when
Speaker 1: people are like I love like smoking weed and running errands,
Speaker 1: it's like absolutely not. I feel out of my mind.
Speaker 1: If I'm gonna smoke weed, I have to be at home,
Speaker 1: either alone or with my partner. I'm like, lock the door, ma, mo,
Speaker 1: what I do. Like my co worker was telling me
Speaker 1: that she doesn't edible like as a sleep aid at night,
Speaker 1: and I do have really bad insomnia. And if I
Speaker 1: could find a way to do that in a healthy way.
Speaker 1: I would love that. Like if I could like naturally
Speaker 1: fall I mean obviously would not be natural. If I
Speaker 1: could artificially falls um every night, that would be great.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I have been doing it a little bit
Speaker 1: more during the pandemic um, but it's like maybe once
Speaker 1: every few weeks. And yeah, I'm not I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: not a huge weed head. But I'm learning and I'm listening.
Speaker 1: Yeah I'm seeing value in it. All right, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is such a fun question from Richard. It simply says,
Speaker 1: are people nicer than they used to be? I love
Speaker 1: those question so much. And this again, DM questions nothing
Speaker 1: with respect to my emailers. You are so efficient and
Speaker 1: you really are good at your jobs. But the d
Speaker 1: M people really can cut to the core and this
Speaker 1: very quick way. Email questions are like shout outs. D
Speaker 1: M questions are like straight shooters. Yes, okay, the question
Speaker 1: is are people nicer than they used to be? And
Speaker 1: so this is such a simple question and yet so
Speaker 1: so complicated because I actually feel so much more turmoil generally,
Speaker 1: where like like people are nice, like the people that
Speaker 1: like us are nice. Oh, I didn't even think about
Speaker 1: it in terms of us, I felt, I, okay, in
Speaker 1: my mind, this is like a general question about the world,
Speaker 1: which I like even more. Are people nicer than they
Speaker 1: used to be? Is that wrong? You're probably right. I
Speaker 1: guess it should be about well, I mean, there's no context.
Speaker 1: We could it could be either. I kind of like
Speaker 1: the general one me too, But the other one, the
Speaker 1: one about us, is more earnest. I guess that's true.
Speaker 1: But I mean, let's I'll answer that. I'll answer from um.
Speaker 1: I think both of us are. We're also receiving critique
Speaker 1: in a way that is new, like just because there's
Speaker 1: more people listening where it'll be like there will just
Speaker 1: like there's more separation like there it's not like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm friends with someone that's friends with them. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's a I don't know these guys at all, and
Speaker 1: I listened to their podcast and like this bothered me
Speaker 1: or like and it's sort of like, oh, weird, Like
Speaker 1: it's really hard for me to like shake it when
Speaker 1: someone says something negative in a way that is I'm
Speaker 1: sure we have more positive than negative, but the negative
Speaker 1: stick out so hard, and so I'm always like, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, people are meaner than ever before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's true. Yeah, I mean, and now you talk from
Speaker 1: a general I like don't yeah, I like don't want
Speaker 1: to harp on it. But because ultimately, like we're very
Speaker 1: lucky generally speaking, of course, but we are both cancers
Speaker 1: and like it comes with some baggage rushes me if
Speaker 1: someone says a single thing that's like me and uh,
Speaker 1: sadly there's no filter where you can just choose nice
Speaker 1: only yeah, because it is like I want you to
Speaker 1: be able to express yourself. It's just like I just
Speaker 1: don't really want to know. I know, yeah, that's that.
Speaker 1: It's true, it is. It's also just like an impulse
Speaker 1: that like I've never left a bad Yelp review, Like
Speaker 1: it's just a different style of it's a different type
Speaker 1: of personality totally, which is totally fine. Um. In terms
Speaker 1: of people generally being nicer than they used to be,
Speaker 1: I kind of think people are less nice than they
Speaker 1: used to be because I think there's this is gonna
Speaker 1: sound so conservative, but I almost think like, uh, there
Speaker 1: is there is less consensus about what good manners are
Speaker 1: almost totally do you know you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like there's almost something where I'm like, sometimes people just
Speaker 1: act like completely people that are like you know that
Speaker 1: you interact with, like strangers on the street or at
Speaker 1: a store or with a barista or whatever, Like sometimes
Speaker 1: people act in such an insane way where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess maybe WASPS made some points when they decided
Speaker 1: to be like emotionally stunted and shut down. But you know,
Speaker 1: I have to agree, I think people are less nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, okay, this is another Twitter question. Will you
Speaker 1: both leave Twitter or stay? Okay, so, uh, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about this? I'm very curious um, to be honest,
Speaker 1: I mean talk about like we were talking about our
Speaker 1: media dies before, Like I've say this constantly, but like
Speaker 1: it really is my one gravest addiction in a way
Speaker 1: that feels at this point so humiliating, so like two
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen, but I wish I could quit it. And
Speaker 1: it's like when you talk about playing video games, that's
Speaker 1: literally how I am sometimes with Twitter, where it'll it'll
Speaker 1: just like get sucked in and it doesn't even feel
Speaker 1: relevant anymore. Like no, it's it's kind of like a
Speaker 1: flop platform. Like the people left there are like it's
Speaker 1: like a you know, it's like Batman's Gotham and you're
Speaker 1: like in a dark alleyway or something. And yet for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, I think because I have met people there,
Speaker 1: it has been like I've even gotten professional opportunities there
Speaker 1: or whatever. There's just something about it that it's almost
Speaker 1: like a safety blank or something. It's also just my
Speaker 1: and it's hard to tell this as a chicken or
Speaker 1: the egg situation, but like it's so much easier for
Speaker 1: my brain to think in that format, Like I can't
Speaker 1: go on like it's so easy to like fire off
Speaker 1: a tweet and not care, Like I can't fire off
Speaker 1: an Instagram and not care. I can't fire off a
Speaker 1: TikTok and not care, Like a tweet is so low lift,
Speaker 1: and so I can cut to the chase of what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to. Also just how my brain works, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I I think I naturally think in little bite sized thought.
Speaker 1: It's not the best original, but like that is I
Speaker 1: think way more that than like conceptually like some people
Speaker 1: do who are like make like complicated videos or something
Speaker 1: like I That's just how I think. It has always
Speaker 1: Like I remember, you know, early days when it was
Speaker 1: mostly jokes, Like I thought it was so funny and like,
Speaker 1: you know, you've spent like five minutes on it and
Speaker 1: laugh like three times. Um, but yeah, now it is bad.
Speaker 1: It's bad. It's hard to give up though it's bad,
Speaker 1: and almost like it's almost like all these people are
Speaker 1: like in pain. There's also this this thing where people
Speaker 1: act so um detached in a way where we're like,
Speaker 1: oh God, like at this point you're like thirty five
Speaker 1: and have two kids, like, I don't know, I got
Speaker 1: to move on. You gotta move on. And people are
Speaker 1: like really trying to keep the bits up and it's
Speaker 1: like it's to you know, people like making like literally
Speaker 1: like fake conversation and it's like what are we doing here?
Speaker 1: There is a part of me that almost wishes it
Speaker 1: would all crash and I would be like freed. I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of how I feel. Honestly, I wonder what my
Speaker 1: brain would do afterwards. But while it is around, I
Speaker 1: will still probably check it and still probably use it unfortunately.
Speaker 1: All right, last question, Oh my gosh, this is from Dana.
Speaker 1: What do each of you believe to be the straightest
Speaker 1: art medium and why? And then bonus question, which is
Speaker 1: actually a really good one to end on what are
Speaker 1: each of you looking forward to most. So first, what
Speaker 1: is the straightest art medium and why? That's a really
Speaker 1: good question. I mean I'll say not painting, not painting,
Speaker 1: not even sculpture, not sculpture, um, potentially performance art interesting
Speaker 1: so unexpected. Yeah, no, I mean that's probably not right.
Speaker 1: I actually have a good one. I think it's like
Speaker 1: graphic design. Mm hmmm. And I understand there are arguments
Speaker 1: of the contrary, but I feel like a sort of
Speaker 1: like being like a font nerd and like and and yeah,
Speaker 1: I really font nerds specifically, is it? Yeah? I mean,
Speaker 1: to be honest, it's like sometimes you know, you go
Speaker 1: to like, um, oh god, what's that museum? It's like
Speaker 1: designs like the Cooper the Cooper Hue, I can't remember,
Speaker 1: but you got to like, um, like a little museum
Speaker 1: exhibition of like design work, and you're like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: this is why painting is better. Like, of course, I
Speaker 1: like respect industrial design and graphic center all this stuff.
Speaker 1: Industrial design is another thing where people are like the
Speaker 1: the iPod with such a beautiful artifact. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, but like I actually would rather look at
Speaker 1: a painting. That's my answer. Yeah, No, that's a very
Speaker 1: good answer. Um. I also want to say that pranks
Speaker 1: and pranks are art there and they are a straight art.
Speaker 1: Great all right, final question, what are each of you
Speaker 1: looking forward to most? Wow? The Oscars? Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: Kate Blanchett to win. I don't know, It's like, I
Speaker 1: still have a month. I have to have to do
Speaker 1: a lot of goals. I have to go to the
Speaker 1: dentist the next month, and that is a true goal
Speaker 1: of mine. Do you know what I'm looking forward to? Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't really track, Like I haven't really traveled other
Speaker 1: than seeing my parents, which obviously I'm very lucky that
Speaker 1: my parents live in a very beautiful country and that
Speaker 1: does count as travel. Okay. However, I'm not someone who
Speaker 1: like is like I'm going to Japan. You know. I
Speaker 1: don't do a lot of big trips like that, and
Speaker 1: I think that this year I want to do, like
Speaker 1: do an international trip for pleasure with my boyfriend, and uh,
Speaker 1: I kind of want to be the one to plan it.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to be like a fun you know,
Speaker 1: a fun thing I do as an adult. I think
Speaker 1: that's very fun. I God, what am I looking more
Speaker 1: proposing to? Misha mom Um? Why don't you gonna get
Speaker 1: my grandkids? No? I, um, yeah, I don't know. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is that a good answer. Yeah, there's kind of beauty
Speaker 1: of that. I don't um. I will have goals, but
Speaker 1: part of my thing with goals is never to expect
Speaker 1: them and more. There are things I was trying not
Speaker 1: to go career. Yeah, and I even mean like like,
Speaker 1: I also have talked about trying to go abroad next year,
Speaker 1: like in like but then I'm like, but realistically will
Speaker 1: I I'm not sure I would like to. But wanting
Speaker 1: to do something and doing it are different. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Well, you're open to possibilities, You're going
Speaker 1: out into the world, and you're saying I say yes
Speaker 1: to it all. Yeah, I'm looking forward to a new
Speaker 1: killer season of Drag Race this spring. I know, I'm
Speaker 1: are there cultural things we're looking forward to. I mean, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm again, this is all I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's kind of it goes back to my theater thing,
Speaker 1: like I kind of have a you found zest for
Speaker 1: things that I, like, I didn't do before the pandemic.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, honestly, this is so embarrassing to admit
Speaker 1: like seeing Tar made me want to like go to
Speaker 1: the Philarmonic, Like I want to do that. I've never
Speaker 1: done that, Like I think that would be really fun
Speaker 1: or like something like that, or like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like take advantage of things that are like close to
Speaker 1: us that we wouldn't think to do. Like that's that's
Speaker 1: like kind of where I'm at right now. I'm like
Speaker 1: excited about like reading the goings on about Town section
Speaker 1: of the New York and being like, well, I'll go
Speaker 1: to that exhibit. Well, if it's going going on about town,
Speaker 1: that's where I lived. Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh sure. You
Speaker 1: know what else? Something for it took My sister moved
Speaker 1: to New York in the last couple of months, and
Speaker 1: it's been so nice to have her, and I'm like
Speaker 1: excited about like doing things together and you know what else?
Speaker 1: I have a final, finally answer. I'm gonna relearn how
Speaker 1: to drive. And that is a promise in I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take driving lessons and re get my license. Well, you
Speaker 1: have so many things, thank you. I'm like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna um, damn, I'm gonna commit. You're gonna get that
Speaker 1: big back tattoo that you've always wanted. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm well, we're redoing the bedroom. Um m mmmmm. We're
Speaker 1: going to figure out the internet. Yeah, well I have
Speaker 1: to figure um no, I'm I'm looking forward to whatever comes.
Speaker 1: Love them great, Well, well, thank you all for listening.
Speaker 1: I hope this wasn't boring as hell, and if it was, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving, love you, love you bye.