Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schrager is a production of the
Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's Up, Everybody, Welcome to
Speaker 1: the Season with Peter Schreger. I am Peter Schreger. You
Speaker 1: might see me on Good Morning Football in the mornings.
Speaker 1: You might see me on Fox NFL Kickoff on Sundays.
Speaker 1: If my voice is a little hoarse, it's because it's
Speaker 1: been a wild few days. Sunday we were we did
Speaker 1: the Fox NFL Kickoff Show. We had the best episode
Speaker 1: of the season. It's myself, it's Julian Edelman, Michael Vick,
Speaker 1: Charles Woodson, and Chris Thompson. We have a blast. And
Speaker 1: then I had never been to a Chargers home game,
Speaker 1: and I was sticking around LA to do Good Morning Football.
Speaker 1: So I went to Chargers Chiefs in person, and I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, three quarters into that game, that felt like
Speaker 1: a chart victory. And then, like they do, the Chiefs
Speaker 1: snatch it at the last second. But I came away
Speaker 1: just amazed, amazed by Steve Spagnolo's defense. And I think
Speaker 1: we're a month into the season and I have so
Speaker 1: many observations based on what we thought the first week.
Speaker 1: Then it changes the second week, then we overreact the
Speaker 1: third week and one of the fourth week. I've been
Speaker 1: doing this long enough where I think October is really
Speaker 1: where we start to see the best teams in football
Speaker 1: more importantly, you don't want to peak week one, week two,
Speaker 1: week three. Things start to settle and things start to
Speaker 1: show themselves more in October. For example, this Chiefs team,
Speaker 1: we knew they were going to be down a bunch
Speaker 1: of weapons once you saw Hollywood Brown got hurt and
Speaker 1: Isaiah Pacheco got hurt. Now you lose Rashi Rice, which
Speaker 1: at the end of the day on Tuesday was like,
Speaker 1: you know, it might be a little better the next way,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be out. He's gonna be out for a
Speaker 1: long time. The Chiefs rolled out there Carson Steele as
Speaker 1: their number one running back.
Speaker 2: He fumbled.
Speaker 1: They didn't give him the ball again. So now it's
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt, samaj p Ryan to aging veteran running backs.
Speaker 1: It's a rookie Xavier Worthy who had three catches and
Speaker 1: the big touchdown, and that's great, but I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's gonna get the load. It's gonna be an
Speaker 1: aging Travis Kelce. It's Noah great it's justin Watson, it's Skymore,
Speaker 1: who you could tell the team is just is just
Speaker 1: beyond frustrated with and it's like, all right, Chiefs, four
Speaker 1: weeks into this season, how are we gonna win games?
Speaker 1: Their defense? The defense is awesome. Herbert's out there and
Speaker 1: he's dealing to McConkie the first few drives and then
Speaker 1: it just completely stops. And you see what the Chiefs do,
Speaker 1: and it's McDuffie coming in off a zero blitz off
Speaker 1: the corner spot. You see Chris Jones just absolutely annihiling
Speaker 1: people in defensive line. Teams change, Teams change because they
Speaker 1: have to cheats adapt. The Chiefs might go and get
Speaker 1: make a big swing and make a trade and get
Speaker 1: another wide receiver. Great, that'll keep them a float. But
Speaker 1: if the Chiefs are gonna do it again this year
Speaker 1: and they're gonna win three in a row, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be based on their defense, and it's gonna be based
Speaker 1: on Andy Reid's ingenuity on offense, and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: based on mahomes Is finding a way they're not gonna
Speaker 1: score thirty and forty points in games, not with the
Speaker 1: offense that they have, and not how that team is
Speaker 1: built right now. But they will stop you and they
Speaker 1: will hold you under twenty. And if that's the case,
Speaker 1: they can win October. This is where we start to
Speaker 1: see these teams come together the Chiefs. That's what I
Speaker 1: think is going to have to take for them to
Speaker 1: do this. And I know it's just one month in,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna see there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 1: inks billed on what's wrong with with Mahomes, what's wrong
Speaker 1: with Kelsey. It's already started. But as long as they
Speaker 1: keep winning and they get that home field advantage in
Speaker 1: Kansas City, or at least get a couple of those
Speaker 1: games in Kansas City in the playoffs, they'll be there
Speaker 1: at the end. I look at the Baltimore Ravens. Everyone
Speaker 1: picked them to either go to the Super Bowl or
Speaker 1: win the AFC North. Two weeks into the season, there
Speaker 1: is masssteria, tough loss Week one, and then you know,
Speaker 1: bone crushing, soul crushing last week two. Well what happens
Speaker 1: week three? Mixed results. They go into DA they get
Speaker 1: a big lead, but they almost give it up. And
Speaker 1: then finally week four, week four, they start showing what
Speaker 1: they can be. A one hundred ninety nine yard game
Speaker 1: from Derrick Henry and eighty seven yard run from the start,
Speaker 1: a defense that was just swarming Josh Allen. The Bills
Speaker 1: came into this game averaging thirty seven points a game.
Speaker 1: They were held at ten, and their defense was all
Speaker 1: over those receivers and in such a way where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton might be one of the best defensive players
Speaker 1: in football. Oh ro Qwan Smith's one of the best
Speaker 1: linebackers of football. Oh Nate Wiggins is a rookie that
Speaker 1: they expect a lot out of it, and he played well.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm telling about this. It takes some time.
Speaker 1: They lost three offensive linemen this offseason that were very
Speaker 1: key parts to their offense last year. They have three
Speaker 1: guys replacing them. Takes some time. They lost their defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: Mike McDonald, They lost Geno Stone, they lost Patrick Queen.
Speaker 1: Those were leaders on the team. It takes some time.
Speaker 1: October this is where we start to see these guys
Speaker 1: who's going to be coming through. I look at the
Speaker 1: Lions offense weird first few weeks. Weird in that they
Speaker 1: were winning games, but that went against the Rams.
Speaker 2: The offense was like all right.
Speaker 1: We just had to run the ball with David Montgomery
Speaker 1: down the stretch, and we'll just lean on that. That's
Speaker 1: not the Ben Johnson offense. It's usually so innovative and different.
Speaker 1: Week two, bad loss, Week three they squeeze by Arizona
Speaker 1: and the offenses. And then week four, October's here. We
Speaker 1: know that's the offense. But we saw on Week four
Speaker 1: against the Seahawks that's the offense. October is where we're
Speaker 1: gonna find out a lot about that teams. And I
Speaker 1: look at the New York Jets and they might be
Speaker 1: the most paramount on the list. Let's see, this is it.
Speaker 1: We knew things were going to go through some rough
Speaker 1: times at some point. Well you know, I picked them
Speaker 1: to be the number one seed in the AFC. I
Speaker 1: have Aaron Rodgers is my MVP. After that Patriots game
Speaker 1: week three, I felt pretty good. I was puffing my
Speaker 1: chest out. After Week four, it's right back down to
Speaker 1: the to the doldrums. And if you look at what
Speaker 1: they have up ahead, it's the Vikings. This Sunday in
Speaker 1: a Week four game in London, they're flying over there,
Speaker 1: and it's more than just you know, can we get
Speaker 1: the win? Fine? You beat Sam Darnold. Great, you find
Speaker 1: a way you're three and two cool that keeps the press,
Speaker 1: you know, at Bay for a little bit. But already
Speaker 1: Robert Salo has asked about the cadence, and he's talking
Speaker 1: about cadence and he's talking about, you know, Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: trying to draw guys off sides and false start out
Speaker 1: of your typical comfort zone as a defensive head coach.
Speaker 1: Is he allowed to talk about it? Sure, he's the
Speaker 1: head coach. Then they go to Rogers and Rogers immediately
Speaker 1: it's like, how about we just hold guys accountable. We've
Speaker 1: had one false start the whole year. That's what I've
Speaker 1: been doing doing for twenty years. Then they go back
Speaker 1: to sala On on Monday. He's got comments on it
Speaker 1: where he kind of backtracks a little bit. Look, this
Speaker 1: is the stuff, this is the stuff. Stay stay, stay
Speaker 1: in your pocket, stay in your lane. Do not start
Speaker 1: speaking out of school, do not spart speaking out, don't
Speaker 1: try to say things that you don't necessarily feel comfortable with.
Speaker 1: This is the stuff. Where Rogers is a twenty year veteran,
Speaker 1: four time MVP. Let him handle the cadence. Let him
Speaker 1: do what it is now what I've been trying to
Speaker 1: draw guys off sides in the red zone. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that's necessary. There's a far greater danger to
Speaker 1: having a false start and knocking yourself back than it
Speaker 1: is getting an extra a couple of yards in the
Speaker 1: red zone when you're already within the ten. That said,
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson comes out. He had some comments when he
Speaker 1: was talking to the media in the big context, is
Speaker 1: not as bad as what was clipped out. All this
Speaker 1: stuff matters. Now you go to London, how do you
Speaker 1: stay together? Because the New York media is not the
Speaker 1: Jacksonville media, The New York media is not the Minnesota media.
Speaker 1: The New York media is not necessarily the Arizona media.
Speaker 1: This is one where if they see any blood, or
Speaker 1: they see a scrape, if they see even a window,
Speaker 1: they'll pounce. And how do you stay together with that?
Speaker 1: How do you stay together that and not start responding
Speaker 1: to that and looking at each other and saying, wait,
Speaker 1: well you said what, why'd you say that? Why wouldn't
Speaker 1: you say that? Can't do it, can't do it.
Speaker 2: It's too soon.
Speaker 1: October key month, really key month. If the Jets start
Speaker 1: losing games, This could be real bad. They need to
Speaker 1: find a way to get a couple of these wins.
Speaker 1: Coming up, we have an awesome guest today and it's
Speaker 1: a perfect time to have this guest. This guest just
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the exclusive breaking news. This
Speaker 1: guest just got back from Washington, DC because he sat
Speaker 1: down with a guy who he's being compared to, and
Speaker 1: that guy's being compared to him. We're gonna have Michael
Speaker 1: Vick on and he just got done with a sit
Speaker 1: down with Jaden Daniels in Washington, which he did on
Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon. We're gonna talk to Mike about Jaden. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk to Mike about two. We're gonna talk to
Speaker 1: Mike about his new film that he produced on Amazon
Speaker 1: called The Evolution of the Black Quarterback. Michael Vick is
Speaker 1: going to join us October, he said, when it matters guys,
Speaker 1: right after this, I'm very excited for our guests this week.
Speaker 1: With no further ado, one of the NFL and cultural
Speaker 1: icons of his generation and a colleague of mine on
Speaker 1: Fox NFL kickoff every single Sunday Box eleven am Eastern.
Speaker 1: We've become very good friends over the years. And it
Speaker 1: was the first time having you on the podcast, mister
Speaker 1: Michael Vick.
Speaker 2: Michael, Hello, Well, so Peter, I can wait to come
Speaker 2: on the pod man.
Speaker 1: I've been waiting out get on the pod. I want
Speaker 1: to start in Washington, d C. And I want to
Speaker 1: start with current events because anytime there's a young athletic
Speaker 1: African American quarterback, they immediately are compared to Michael Vick.
Speaker 1: And I always say, time out, time out, that Michael
Speaker 1: Vick was was one of one when he came into
Speaker 1: this league. And there are very few guys who could
Speaker 1: run and pass like Michael Vick. Jaden Daniels might be
Speaker 1: that guy. When you watched Jaden Daniels in college, what
Speaker 1: was your takeaway?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because as soon as you start talking
Speaker 3: about Jay and I start thinking about his days at
Speaker 3: Arizona State and his time with herm Edwards, and I
Speaker 3: think he spent three years there. And so you know,
Speaker 3: we come out to California. You know, we catch the
Speaker 3: late game. So I was always catching the Earth, I'm
Speaker 3: always catching Arizona UCLA and so I was watching this kid.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I'm looking at the statue like
Speaker 3: he got a lot of potential. You know, I knew
Speaker 3: he was young, but I was like, I got to
Speaker 3: watch and see how he progressed. And fast forward, he
Speaker 3: ended up going to LSU. I'm looking at the quarterback
Speaker 3: at LSU, like you get two years ago, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: this kid looked familiar transfer reporter all this. I found
Speaker 3: out that he transferred in and then his first year
Speaker 3: at LSU it.
Speaker 2: Was kind of like an up and down year, and
Speaker 2: I knew he had another year left.
Speaker 3: And nowadays, you never know how many years kids got,
Speaker 3: Like in college, you know, some guys be six years
Speaker 3: guys and five years and that wasn't the case back
Speaker 3: and I date, so, you know, I see him at
Speaker 3: LSU and I'm like, oh, the first year, I knew
Speaker 3: he needed some work.
Speaker 2: Last year, I was like, something must have clipped and
Speaker 2: he ended.
Speaker 3: Up winning the hazard And you know this, you know,
Speaker 3: a long story short that you know, now we get
Speaker 3: Jane Dames in.
Speaker 2: The National Football League. So through four games.
Speaker 3: Pete, I mean, he's just getting better and better and
Speaker 3: better each and every week.
Speaker 1: The crazy part is the completion percentage. He cleared ninety
Speaker 1: percent of his passes two weeks ago eighty two percent
Speaker 1: of his passes this week. A lot of that is,
Speaker 1: of course the offense, but a lot of that is
Speaker 1: on him as just a pure passer. That that has
Speaker 1: blown me away as someone who was you know, thrown
Speaker 1: into the NFL. Is the fact that he's so accurate?
Speaker 1: Is that blowing you away?
Speaker 3: Also, Yeah, it's blowing me away because I watched him
Speaker 3: in college and so, like I said, the first year.
Speaker 2: I just knew he needed a little work and needed
Speaker 2: time to get better.
Speaker 3: And then the next year he was making more plays
Speaker 3: in the pocket and he was more accomplishing more in
Speaker 3: the passing game. As far as understanding the concepts, I
Speaker 3: think getting to the right places with the ball, and
Speaker 3: I don't know what type of offense they was running with.
Speaker 2: It was enough to win.
Speaker 3: That hasn't Then fast forward and now he links up
Speaker 3: with Cliff Kingsbury, your guy who you always praise and
Speaker 3: said that you know, he, you know, was one of
Speaker 3: the best in the business. And he's proven that, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm say. He's proven that with Kyler, he's
Speaker 3: proven that with jayalen Jada, and for him to come
Speaker 3: out smoking and to be as efficient as he is,
Speaker 3: that's that's the coach understanding the player and vice versas.
Speaker 1: All right, so we work at Fox every weekend and
Speaker 1: you get thirty two teams. No one, I mean, we
Speaker 1: thought the Commanders could have a nice little bomum. No
Speaker 1: one expected them to the story of the first month
Speaker 1: of the season. You get a call from our producer saying, hey,
Speaker 1: this is the story of the twenty twenty four campaign.
Speaker 1: This is the Jaden Daniels here, Michael Vicky want you
Speaker 1: to sit down with Jaden Daniels. That's gonna air on Fox.
Speaker 1: You get the call where a few hours removed, you
Speaker 1: spent yesterday in d C. Without giving away the entire interview,
Speaker 1: take us through your day Tuesday, spending it with Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 1: I assume the first time you met him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really cool to be back home for one.
Speaker 3: You know, anytime I fly back into pertain you to
Speaker 3: always bring back memories too. I always wanted to play
Speaker 3: for Washington, so you know, being a guy who grew
Speaker 3: up for my grandmother grew.
Speaker 2: Up a Washington fan. I watched them a lot.
Speaker 3: Didn't like him as a kid, but you know, I
Speaker 3: wanted to finish my career in so you know, it
Speaker 3: was I didn't get a chance to do that, so
Speaker 3: it was a little bittersweet. But having a chance to
Speaker 3: actually go and see any any team's facility, I'm always
Speaker 3: intrigued by that.
Speaker 2: When I got there, you know, just had to soak
Speaker 2: it all in, look around, you.
Speaker 3: Know, complex is really it was nice to doing a
Speaker 3: lot of renovations and and uh, we're trying to you know,
Speaker 3: make it, you know, a little more efficient than what
Speaker 3: has been over the years. And so when I first
Speaker 3: walk in and I see phrase move and Uh saying
Speaker 3: Tana Monks.
Speaker 1: I think working, I think working for the team. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're working in the mediate department.
Speaker 3: They got their own podcasts, and they you know, just
Speaker 3: around just around the facility, just hanging out, just being being,
Speaker 3: you know, legends, the legends that they are. Then I
Speaker 3: see Doug Wis, Then I see Cliff, then I see
Speaker 3: Dan Quinn. You know, they all coming, you know, introduce
Speaker 3: themselves and they're saying hi. And then then I ultimately
Speaker 3: I get the team and uh had a chance to
Speaker 3: just hang out with him for a second before we
Speaker 3: did an interview. They were just talking about, you know,
Speaker 3: the game plan for for this week. You know how
Speaker 3: he's seeing a couple of you know, potential touchdowns in it.
Speaker 3: So he's already off to the right off to you know,
Speaker 3: the right start for this week. So sitting down and
Speaker 3: talking to him, man, it was everything I thought it
Speaker 3: would be. He was, you know, various, sightful, you know,
Speaker 3: vibe Prince Smith and just very confident.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: The one thing I can say Peter is that he
Speaker 3: really believes in himself. He believes and what he can.
Speaker 2: Do the past first, mentality run second.
Speaker 3: And I'm pretty sure that the guys around him, you know,
Speaker 3: as far as the receivers appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think DJ Moore and Keenan Allen and Realm
Speaker 1: Dunes they are lining up for the Chicago Bears and
Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams. When you get to Washington, as Jayden Daniels,
Speaker 1: you're looking around. Mclaurin's great, but it's not guys who
Speaker 1: are going to the Hall of Fame or winning All
Speaker 1: pros or anything. A lot of that's on his shoulders,
Speaker 1: and yet it doesn't seem to affect him. These guys,
Speaker 1: he's making them better, he's elevating them. You get the
Speaker 1: sense that he's a leader and he's bringing the best
Speaker 1: ot of all these other guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when you know the quarterback gets it and
Speaker 3: understands it. And then I go back to my first
Speaker 3: couple of years in Atlanta, man, when I had Sean
Speaker 3: Jefferson and I had Brian Finneran and Algie Trump. I mean,
Speaker 3: these wasn't superstar receivers. Or Sean was in his trunk
Speaker 3: season and you know Brin was, you know, six '
Speaker 3: five and ran a four four six inspector Brian Finnering,
Speaker 3: great player, he know, he one of my favorites all time.
Speaker 3: He know that, so he'll know. But you know, it
Speaker 3: was all about, you know, the ball distribution. It was
Speaker 3: all about playing together, believing in one another. Most important,
Speaker 3: being on the same page. You know, you can accomplish
Speaker 3: a lot, you know, just by having an understanding of
Speaker 3: what you want to get accomplished, playing and play out.
Speaker 3: But everybody's got to be on the same pages. So
Speaker 3: that those guys they get together, they you know, they
Speaker 3: they have their own little meetings, uh privately to make
Speaker 3: sure that they all on the same page and to
Speaker 3: make sure that you know, when the ball is snapped,
Speaker 3: everybody know what they're going and they can get the
Speaker 3: job done.
Speaker 1: When when these young quarterbacks come in, I said this
Speaker 1: started African Americans wor there could be an a young
Speaker 1: quarterback when they come in, we get four or five
Speaker 1: every year. It's fine. In the last decade or so,
Speaker 1: you've been doing the media stuff you've been out of football.
Speaker 1: Who's been the young quarterback that has proactively reached out
Speaker 1: to you or has wanted to create a relationship or
Speaker 1: has shown you that respect where the you know, Okay,
Speaker 1: you've done this, You've been there, and I'm going to
Speaker 1: look to you for some guidance, but also kind of
Speaker 1: throw your flowers because we grew up you were the guy.
Speaker 2: And they all reach out when they need to. You
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: They all reach out, you know, whether whether it's Kylo,
Speaker 3: whether there's CJ. You know those they all reach out.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. They all reach out for
Speaker 3: advice if they needed. Most of the time, they have
Speaker 3: people in the corner man who really appreciate you know,
Speaker 3: you know, the the try hard, They appreciate them. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, want to you know, be the
Speaker 3: best that they can be. And you know, my door
Speaker 3: is always open. You know when I when I meet
Speaker 3: those guys as that I passed my number along to them.
Speaker 3: I passed it to him for a reason. He texts
Speaker 3: me call me when that way they need And for
Speaker 3: the most part, man, they're having one conversation with him, like, oh,
Speaker 3: I can instant tell he's gonna be okay, he's gonna
Speaker 3: be good.
Speaker 2: He might need some work, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: They all just so open and they all want the knowledge,
Speaker 3: and they also appreciative that we all try to reach
Speaker 3: out to him and make him better.
Speaker 1: Did you give your number to Jade and Daniels?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I gave my number to Jay and the quarterback
Speaker 3: I got to talk to the most lately over the
Speaker 3: last couple of weeks, two or three times. But our
Speaker 3: long conversations just trying to get on the same page.
Speaker 3: And most of the time we had these conversations, it
Speaker 3: might be a little frustration, but Shador, Shador saying, go on,
Speaker 3: there's some good conversations. Shador coming into the season and
Speaker 3: she doors are thinking, he's very smart, you know, a
Speaker 3: very unique way of thinking that and he understands the.
Speaker 2: Quarterback position.
Speaker 3: So so confident in hisself that you know, he might
Speaker 3: get put hisself in the he might overthink things, you know,
Speaker 3: for the bet, and so you know, there's more conversations
Speaker 3: about you know, trusting himself, trusting his coach, you know,
Speaker 3: playing within the system.
Speaker 2: And he's looking really good right now. Man. I text him,
Speaker 2: you know, last week because I try not to be
Speaker 2: on the line and trying to you know, hit them.
Speaker 3: When I see the product, when I see the progress,
Speaker 3: I know why they have the problem. It's not because
Speaker 3: of me. It's because you know, they listening to the
Speaker 3: people around. They might have took maybe one or two
Speaker 3: tibbits and the things. And I said, but you know,
Speaker 3: when I got to when I have to talk to
Speaker 3: him and tell him what's really happening, I do, and
Speaker 3: hopefully should door appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Man, he's playing some good football right there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We had Daniel Jeremiah, who's the NFL Networks draft guy
Speaker 1: on last week. He said, I know it's early and season,
Speaker 1: give us a taste. Who who the guys. And he's like,
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter and Shador might both go top picks, Like
Speaker 1: that's how good both of those are.
Speaker 2: They might go back to back.
Speaker 1: They might go one too, dude, they might they might
Speaker 1: they won't playing together.
Speaker 3: I was about to say that they won't be on
Speaker 3: the team. But at least, you know, those guys are
Speaker 3: enjoying college football right now. It look like they have fun.
Speaker 3: It was a moment where it seemed a little stressful
Speaker 3: for the Colorado teams as a whole. But man, when
Speaker 3: you got smart people in the building and people get it,
Speaker 3: I understand, you usually get it, right, do you.
Speaker 1: I know Warren sapp is now with dionn and I
Speaker 1: know you've done like the Spring League, and you've done
Speaker 1: some other things as far as like coaching goes in
Speaker 1: a voluntary role. Do you ever think about a full
Speaker 1: time coaching job? Did that ever come across your your
Speaker 1: your table and something that you would think about doing?
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's always it's always a thought, man,
Speaker 3: because I have so many camps and be around so
Speaker 3: many kids and seven or seven tournaments that i'd be doing,
Speaker 3: and you know, so it's always a thought that I
Speaker 3: would love to be with this kid every day to
Speaker 3: help them out and watch and progress and you know,
Speaker 3: help them grow, you know, through the good in the bad.
Speaker 2: So it's always a thought.
Speaker 3: But then then I think about, man, the opportunity that
Speaker 3: we got the seats that we have.
Speaker 2: Man, I like, yeah, I like what I do now too. Man.
Speaker 2: So you know, I've I've always been torn in between coaching.
Speaker 3: Full time and you know and other you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, other, you know, opportunities that that might come
Speaker 3: my way and that I've had a couple.
Speaker 2: But I just I can't. I can't. I can't do it, man,
Speaker 2: I know I know what that entails. And when you
Speaker 2: dive into coaching when you haven't, you got to go, man,
Speaker 2: you got to.
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily after playing a lot of years in
Speaker 3: the league. Man, I don't want to leave my family
Speaker 3: the way you know I had to when I played
Speaker 3: the sacrifice. You know, you know, maybe when i'm you know,
Speaker 3: years lay down the road. Man, who knows what can happened?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: So this movie comes out last week on Amazon. It's
Speaker 1: the number one movie on Amazon. I don't know all
Speaker 1: the algorithms. I don't know what that even means. I
Speaker 1: just know that a lot of people are watching it,
Speaker 1: and your name is attached to it. And I remember, Michael,
Speaker 1: I think it was three years ago you and I
Speaker 1: were talking about this project. And now it comes to fruition.
Speaker 1: It's called the Evolution of the Black Quarterback. It hits
Speaker 1: streaming and it's number one, and it's great. But there
Speaker 1: was a lot of work and a lot of ups
Speaker 1: and downs that went into this. Can you take us
Speaker 1: into the creation of the idea and then actually seeing
Speaker 1: it to the finish line, which I am not wrong? Right,
Speaker 1: three years even working.
Speaker 2: On this thing. Yeah, that's accurate.
Speaker 3: The one thing that I've been telling everybody, And you know,
Speaker 3: we discussed it last week and we you know, y'all
Speaker 3: congratulated me on and I appreciate y'all so much, man
Speaker 3: for acknowledging the work.
Speaker 2: And we all work hard in our own right, man.
Speaker 3: We you know, we worked for Foxes, you know, full time,
Speaker 3: you know, saying the good GMF is is full time,
Speaker 3: and you know, we got to put a lot into it.
Speaker 3: But we also try to dabble into things that we
Speaker 3: also think could be efficient or useful or purposeful and
Speaker 3: in other ways. And you know, I learned that, you know,
Speaker 3: you got to you got to convince people one that things,
Speaker 3: certain things make sense and too nobody's don't believe in
Speaker 3: a vision like you, and you gotta work on to
Speaker 3: make people believe and and and that's part of it.
Speaker 3: That's that's so fair. I learned that, and so you know,
Speaker 3: I wanted to gain credibility. I wanted the game and trust.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: The origin of it was people. You always come to
Speaker 3: me and say, Mike, you changed the game, you revolutionized
Speaker 3: the position.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: It was you wouldn't see dam you wouldn't see Kyler,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't see such such if it wasn't for you.
Speaker 3: And I'd be like, well, have you ever seen Donovan
Speaker 3: Man play? Have you ever seen Steve McNair, Chylie Wooden?
Speaker 3: This generation that was always Noah, you no, yeah, But
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, man, hell let's let's let's be by
Speaker 3: with history a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know. My favorite player was Steve Young growing.
Speaker 3: Up, and you know, I had like I had to
Speaker 3: look at somebody who who played like me.
Speaker 2: You know, obviously him being left handed, it really helped
Speaker 2: him being a runner.
Speaker 3: I was so intrigued by that. And then I had
Speaker 3: cut of hand mooning different styles. I was like, man,
Speaker 3: you know what, Man, I want to talk about this man,
Speaker 3: but I'm but you know what, I'm gonna take it
Speaker 3: back because I felt like the NFL has grown so
Speaker 3: much over the years. Man, I feel like an I
Speaker 3: institute and you know, the opportunities that we get man
Speaker 3: allow us to do so much man and grow as people.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, every every organization entity.
Speaker 3: Was like guys, man, we you know, the world will
Speaker 3: be a better place because we were constantly growing.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to show that part.
Speaker 3: I wanted to show the greatness of the quarterbacks that
Speaker 3: came before me and I couldn't take credit for it
Speaker 3: was really changing the game of revolutionary.
Speaker 1: I love this because it's your opportunity to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know I was at that time, and when you
Speaker 1: grew up, maybe was, and I knew I broke through
Speaker 1: with commercials and with video games and Madden. It all
Speaker 1: was a perfect storm. But you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: We have to we have to show respect to Charlie
Speaker 1: Ward first, because Charlie Ward went into Notre Dame and
Speaker 1: beat Notre Dame and I'm sorry he lost to Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: but it was one of the best games ever.
Speaker 2: Like you, you.
Speaker 1: Was like, this is my this is my burden, this
Speaker 1: is my responsibility to now instead of just accepting the praise.
Speaker 1: Let me give back and kind of show give this
Speaker 1: back to the game and give those guys their flowers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what I've been telling everybody, what I said
Speaker 3: at the premiere, was that in twenty twenty four, Doug Williams,
Speaker 3: Charlie Wood, Shaq Harris, you know, all these guys are
Speaker 3: first round picks, you know what I'm saying. So that
Speaker 3: shows the avenues, that shows the change in the progress.
Speaker 3: I'm like, all these guys you just watched, they had
Speaker 3: to go to Canada, had to do that. That's not
Speaker 3: today's game, that's not today's time. We don't live in
Speaker 3: that world anymore. So I was just excited to highlight
Speaker 3: that man because I lived it. I know what the
Speaker 3: league meant to meet. I know what the locker room
Speaker 3: with his brotherhood means to me. And I know what
Speaker 3: the fans mean to us when they acknowledge and they
Speaker 3: see us coming together and going all out and trying
Speaker 3: to entertain as best we can.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at in the fact that Warren
Speaker 1: Moon had to go to Canada, despite breaking all those
Speaker 1: records in college and being had to go to Canada
Speaker 1: first and win Great Cups and have a whole career
Speaker 1: in Canada, before he could even start his Houston Oilers career.
Speaker 1: You look at Charlie Ward. I know he wanted to
Speaker 1: be a basketball player, but the fact that he wasn't
Speaker 1: a first round pick anyway in the NBA, it is
Speaker 1: kind of my boggling because both of those players different styles.
Speaker 1: Of course, both those players were be first round picks,
Speaker 1: no doubt in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Right, And I'm growing up boxing these guys because I'm
Speaker 3: playing quarterback and I'm feeling like them, just like stuck
Speaker 3: between the rock and the hotspot as a you know,
Speaker 3: thirteen fourteen.
Speaker 2: Year old kid.
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, i gotta change my position because if
Speaker 3: I continue to play quarterback, I'm not gonna be drafted.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a waste of years and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be sad. Man, I don't know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3: What I did know that I wanted to make it
Speaker 3: in criminology. You know, I wanted to be in the FBI,
Speaker 3: so I had a backup plan. But you know it
Speaker 3: was man my coaches over the years who was mentors
Speaker 3: who pushed me to continue, you know, just play quarterback.
Speaker 3: But I'm watching everything closely, because I wanted to know, like, look, man,
Speaker 3: if I'm gonna put my all into playing quarterback, I
Speaker 3: at least wanted to get drafted in like the fifth
Speaker 3: or the sixth or the seventh round.
Speaker 2: I just I want, I just want to shot.
Speaker 3: And then and then the nineteen ninety nine draft happened
Speaker 3: when when Andy to Donovan number two, and I was like, man,
Speaker 3: and then you know, and then that whole draft for Kelly Smith,
Speaker 3: Codante Cole Pep, I was like, hold on, man, I
Speaker 3: think the league changing. Man, I think it's been a
Speaker 3: little paradigm shift. So I was so excited so much
Speaker 3: to me, and I always talked to Amy about that
Speaker 3: and told him what that meant to me. And uh,
Speaker 3: you know, now I get a chance to tell the
Speaker 3: world and hopefully hopefully this project, man, people see this
Speaker 3: and they just just bring us all closer together.
Speaker 2: Man, that's what I want.
Speaker 1: Who were the actual quarterbacks that you physically sat down
Speaker 1: with for this project. I know there was a couple, obviously,
Speaker 1: I know that a lot of people participated, But who
Speaker 1: did you travel to go sit down with.
Speaker 3: I traveled to see Dak, I traveled to see Russell,
Speaker 3: I traveled to see Warren.
Speaker 2: I traveled to see Doug. I traveled to see Charlie Shack.
Speaker 2: Who else? Man? I traveled to see Colin Kaepernick.
Speaker 3: Kapp was graceful, graceful enough to you know, blesseds with
Speaker 3: his presence, and that was really cool.
Speaker 2: Man. I know, missing on a lot of guys, man,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I travel to see everybody.
Speaker 3: I travel to see all those guys and sitting down
Speaker 3: with him and and uh, it's it's to a point
Speaker 3: now where the storys are so intriguing. And now I
Speaker 3: got a lot of young quarterbacks called him like, man,
Speaker 3: when you go do a part two? So yeah, we're
Speaker 3: gonna do a part two. But it probably consists more of,
Speaker 3: you know, the teaching of the game. I want to
Speaker 3: you know, break down film with those guys, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Probably the younger generation see how much
Speaker 3: they know about the game. You know, maybe a couple
Speaker 3: more general managers and owners getting their perspective, you know,
Speaker 3: just on the game now and where it's going, where
Speaker 3: it's headed. Just some cool stories, many cool moments and
Speaker 3: in our profession that I think people are enjoy. So
Speaker 3: maybe a part two could potentially be you know, with
Speaker 3: Jamie Daniels and still didn't get Kyler and wanted to
Speaker 3: include RG three and you know, and a lot of
Speaker 3: them guys. You know, budgets are real. Budgets are real.
Speaker 3: So I didn't control the budget. So I want to
Speaker 3: circle back and get those guys, man, and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: certainly get them an opportunity to to you know, to
Speaker 3: pay homage.
Speaker 1: I know other quarterbacks that are in the documentary. Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes makes an appearance. Jalen hurts, Oh yeah, how did
Speaker 1: I forget these?
Speaker 2: I tried.
Speaker 3: I traveled to see Patrick, travel to see cam and
Speaker 3: travel to see Jay.
Speaker 2: Man. I want I just wanted it to be a moment. Man.
Speaker 3: I look forward to more of those moments because sit
Speaker 3: down with Jaden yesterday was it brought me back and
Speaker 3: it was just really cool. And I wish I could.
Speaker 3: I wish I could sit down with every quarterback in
Speaker 3: the need. I wish I could sit down with j
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert.
Speaker 1: I wish I could.
Speaker 3: But you know what, it's all based on playing, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, but uh, you know, I will, I will
Speaker 3: circle the wagon to get through those guys, man, just
Speaker 3: because now for me, it's more and so about the
Speaker 3: football journey.
Speaker 2: How they all became quarterbacks. So I be sort intriguing
Speaker 2: their stories. It's really cool.
Speaker 1: If one common bond between you and Mahomes is Andy Reid.
Speaker 1: We see Andy Reid, big jovial, loving guy that you
Speaker 1: know obviously is now a super Bowl champion three times over.
Speaker 2: The whole deal.
Speaker 1: They've won and everything's great, and he's going for this
Speaker 1: three feet the man Andy Reid and what he's meant
Speaker 1: to so many of you. I know when you were
Speaker 1: in your darkest hour, Andy Reid was there. Tell tell
Speaker 1: the listeners just what Andy Reid means to you as
Speaker 1: a as a player but also as a human being.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Andy meant a lot to me. I start with Andy.
Speaker 3: The how what he meant to me as a player first,
Speaker 3: because I think it's the more profound effect to what
Speaker 3: he meant to me as a man.
Speaker 2: As a player. He just made me better.
Speaker 3: He just the knowledge that I've attained before him, he
Speaker 3: just enhanced it. I listened to everything that he ever
Speaker 3: said in terms of football, try to and try to
Speaker 3: do it to the best of my ability. I knew
Speaker 3: what I had learned before him. You know, I could
Speaker 3: only get better and I will say this. I was
Speaker 3: always and I told Donald this, I was always jealous
Speaker 3: of Donovan because he had Andy and he they was
Speaker 3: going to end up the championship games. And I'm watching
Speaker 3: the film when I was with the Falcons, and I'm like, God, leave,
Speaker 3: they do a lot. Man, This dude know what he
Speaker 3: doing and it was just it was just non stop
Speaker 3: me and they got too and they just was going crazy.
Speaker 2: And he didn't have Toyo.
Speaker 3: I just knew he was a good football coach from
Speaker 3: from the time I was young, and you know, obviously
Speaker 3: never being able to beat him in the Grovisional Round
Speaker 3: or the NFC Championship, and you know, it was always
Speaker 3: fun and competitive.
Speaker 2: But you know, once I got to me, he made
Speaker 2: men better quarterback.
Speaker 3: And then Andy the man was even even better because
Speaker 3: he was the only coach. I not the only coach,
Speaker 3: but as I'm mature, he was the coach. I used
Speaker 3: to go sit in his office and talk. They called
Speaker 3: me up just to have a conversation, and you know,
Speaker 3: I put myself in his seat. If I was a coach,
Speaker 3: I would do the same. I would call my players
Speaker 3: to the office and have a little one on one
Speaker 3: check in with them see what's going on, things that
Speaker 3: that are important, and uh, you know they know a
Speaker 3: lot about us, more than what we think they know,
Speaker 3: especially at those times. And so it was moments where
Speaker 3: he gave me amazing advice. You know, probably used to
Speaker 3: correct the ninety percent of the time ten percent I
Speaker 3: did it, probably failed in some.
Speaker 2: Other area in life.
Speaker 3: And you know, the moments that we probably would laugh
Speaker 3: about now and cool stories. But I never forget man
Speaker 3: the type of man. He is a great sense of
Speaker 3: human he has. One time, my wife, who was he
Speaker 3: was going through some tough times, you know, with her family,
Speaker 3: and and uh, you know, I was just exhausted, man,
Speaker 3: and you know, trying to try to play football and
Speaker 3: trying to be the best person that I could be
Speaker 3: as far as you know, the supporter.
Speaker 2: You know, my wife is going through some difficult times
Speaker 2: losing family lost and family member, and I remember I
Speaker 2: just I broke down crying. I had no I had
Speaker 2: nothing left, you know what I'm saying. I got trying
Speaker 2: to be strong for her. I broke down crying and
Speaker 2: laying on the couch and I'm just nobody to talk to.
Speaker 3: You know, one of my doctor's moments because she she's
Speaker 3: in a dark place and that's nothing I could do
Speaker 3: to help her. And my phone bring is Andy, and Andy,
Speaker 3: you know, I pick up.
Speaker 2: You know, I.
Speaker 3: Started crying even worse because now I really need somebody
Speaker 3: to talk to. But I can't really talk. I can't
Speaker 3: get the words out.
Speaker 2: Peter.
Speaker 3: By the time we got off that phone, Man, this
Speaker 3: man had me laughing so hard. Man Like he just
Speaker 3: I needed him so much in that moment. Man, he
Speaker 3: and it's just the type of person he is. He
Speaker 3: made me feel so much better about my about life
Speaker 3: and just what I believed in. And we went through
Speaker 3: some tough times together as well. And so and that's
Speaker 3: the moment I never forget, man, because uh you know,
Speaker 3: it shows this chartter it's true character. And so it
Speaker 3: don't surprise me they having the success that they have.
Speaker 3: You in Kansas City. I'm so happy that he got
Speaker 3: his rings. I was just thinking of it.
Speaker 2: Damn. I wish he could have got won in Philly.
Speaker 1: Not I agree, even if with me, if.
Speaker 3: It was just one you know what I'm saying, just
Speaker 3: for the fan base, But but Philly ended up getting there,
Speaker 3: so it was just all good.
Speaker 2: They got it.
Speaker 1: Uh well, rap, sure they just want to go through
Speaker 1: some rapid fire questions about the memories of being Michael
Speaker 1: Vick in that moment and in those times of Atlanta
Speaker 1: early two thousands, Ludacris is coming out, Outcast is coming out,
Speaker 1: Ussher is on the scene, It's it's Jermaine Dupriez everything,
Speaker 1: and then there here comes this Michael Vick in the
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons. And I was in college at the time.
Speaker 1: You're a little bit older than me. I was in
Speaker 1: Atlanta and there might have been no bigger cultural moment
Speaker 1: than Atlanta in the early two thousands, and you were
Speaker 1: one of those main faces when you look back at
Speaker 1: that area. Just give me a snapshot of what it
Speaker 1: was like being in Atlanta during the two thousand the
Speaker 1: two thousand and five range, just when the musical scene
Speaker 1: was exploding, but also this incredible football team in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: and you know what was going on in the Georgia
Speaker 1: Dome on Sundays.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Peters, it's so hard to go back to Atlanta now, man,
Speaker 3: because I love that city so much because of not
Speaker 3: just football, but those moments, man, when when I first
Speaker 3: got there and meeting everybody, get introduced to Ludaprius and
Speaker 3: getting introduced to two chains, when they getting introduced to
Speaker 3: TI and getting introduced to man, all these these people
Speaker 3: who mean so much to the culture, who mean so
Speaker 3: much to entertainment and their profession. Them accepting me one,
Speaker 3: you know, I was proud too. It added more pressient
Speaker 3: to me having to be great, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And so you know, those guys, you know, more so
Speaker 3: than anybody was if I was out.
Speaker 2: Hey, man, how things go on?
Speaker 3: Football may may make sure you're getting your rest, man,
Speaker 3: make sure you stay healthy.
Speaker 2: Make sure they cared about me genuinely, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. They wanted me to. They knew. Look and
Speaker 2: entertainment world is one thing, but man, you need to
Speaker 2: be getting rest.
Speaker 3: You need to be putting off of us on Sunday,
Speaker 3: on Sundays, Mondays and Thursdays and Jesus come along, man.
Speaker 3: And it's just the games was amazing. The games was
Speaker 3: like like playing a football game in front of the club,
Speaker 3: outside of the club, man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like it's that, it's like it's electric, we having fun,
Speaker 2: it's music.
Speaker 3: And man, it was a lot of pressure too, because
Speaker 3: I mean, when you got all your boys in there.
Speaker 1: You can't.
Speaker 3: You can't slack, man, You got it. You gotta be
Speaker 3: on your A games. So just amazing moments in time, man.
Speaker 3: And that's why I said it's hard to go back
Speaker 3: to Atlanta, because I relived those moments.
Speaker 2: It was so much. It's just it's tough, but I
Speaker 2: still love to go back.
Speaker 1: You had this great rivalry with your cousin Aaron Brooks,
Speaker 1: who was with the Saints, and I remember I would
Speaker 1: go to all those Falcons games. I would, you know,
Speaker 1: pay for tickets. I'd go with all my friends from college.
Speaker 1: We would go to like probably six or eight Falcons
Speaker 1: home games a year when you were there. We loved
Speaker 1: watching you. And then one time I'm sitting in the
Speaker 1: fraternity house and I get a message on my phone
Speaker 1: and it's a recorded message from Michael Vick and.
Speaker 2: You probably didn't know.
Speaker 1: It's Hey, I'm playing my cousin Aaron Brooks this weekend
Speaker 1: and the Saints are coming to town and we need
Speaker 1: you in the building, please please, And I was like,
Speaker 1: this is the rivalry. And it wasn't treated the same
Speaker 1: as Cowboys Eagles on the national scale, or even forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers cowboys on the national scale. But my gosh,
Speaker 1: those those Aaron Brooks Michael Vick here is probably a
Speaker 1: little window in time, probably two three years.
Speaker 2: Like that was real three years.
Speaker 3: And I really didn't know what that raval meant at
Speaker 3: the time, because you know it was enhanced because of
Speaker 3: my cousin being on the other side and you know,
Speaker 3: a little cousin want to be big cousin, and that
Speaker 3: that part of it was always always came into play.
Speaker 2: And it was just good games.
Speaker 3: I remember some of the best crowd and the loudest,
Speaker 3: the Georgia jhomers up was was ever you know, I
Speaker 3: guess Mark was in those times like a Sparts decib
Speaker 3: me to like I'm talking about rowdy, rowdy, you know.
Speaker 2: And and so those fans they didn't like me, man,
Speaker 2: they didn't like me.
Speaker 3: The one time I got in trouble when I when
Speaker 3: it wasn't no social media and I tried my biggest
Speaker 3: mistakes and off fan was was not a Falcons fan.
Speaker 3: It was Saturday say it was the Saints man, but
Speaker 3: that's how rowdy was. That was the rivalry man and
Speaker 3: they beat us. But that was post that was post Aaron.
Speaker 3: That was the start of the Drew Brees ear and
Speaker 3: so he I knew when Drew came man, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: in trouble, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Aaron was tough to deal with.
Speaker 3: But Drew and Sean came in at the same time,
Speaker 3: and it was like, Yo, nah, they can't take this
Speaker 3: robbery from They can't.
Speaker 2: They can't take this over.
Speaker 3: So but man, good moments. Man, good moments is sports
Speaker 3: and certain games. I never forget for sure.
Speaker 2: All Right.
Speaker 1: Two amazing commercials that are forever in my head, the
Speaker 1: Michael Vick experience. When you're on the roller coaster. Do
Speaker 1: you remember getting pitched that whole project and take us
Speaker 1: through the formation of that commercial, what brand it was for,
Speaker 1: and then when you actually filmed it and then saw
Speaker 1: it actually come to life. It was probably the most
Speaker 1: popular commercial of the two thousands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was a Nike commercial.
Speaker 3: And I never forget to you. I was like, man,
Speaker 3: I need something more urban in this, Like what this
Speaker 3: is a commercial for kids? And hid it's like thinking
Speaker 3: about it now, Yes, that's what you was trying to do.
Speaker 3: You was trying to appeal to the kids and the
Speaker 3: next generation. You're trying to give them the Michael Vick experience.
Speaker 3: That's what it was all about, Like what are you missing?
Speaker 3: And so like back then, I was just always in
Speaker 3: my own head, always wanted things to be my way, and.
Speaker 2: It goes.
Speaker 3: It goes to show that the people around me probably
Speaker 3: the best, because that commercials stood and test the time,
Speaker 3: is still one of the top commercials in football to
Speaker 3: this day, and I appreciate it more now than.
Speaker 2: I did back then.
Speaker 3: So shut out the Nike for making that, you know,
Speaker 3: one of the top commercials in that era and believing
Speaker 3: in me, you know what I'm saying that to put
Speaker 3: it out there.
Speaker 2: So I didn't like it. But man, when you were.
Speaker 1: Filming that, they take it to like Stone Mountain Local
Speaker 1: six Flags, and you're like, you know, actually getting in
Speaker 1: Like what was the process of like actually filming that commercial.
Speaker 3: So I think we filmed that out in the Word
Speaker 3: now by Nike's campus, Yeah, on the Nike campus, And
Speaker 3: I remember Phil Knight was there, Bill Keller was there,
Speaker 3: And for some reason when I used to see Phil man,
Speaker 3: I used to feel like I just said, but I
Speaker 3: created Nike, you know, perk U blow yeah, man, because
Speaker 3: I always wanted to make a proud you always wanted
Speaker 3: to I appreciate it the Nike so much, and then
Speaker 3: I'm giving me a whole line of the shoes like
Speaker 3: the vict you know, the whole vic line was. You know,
Speaker 3: we was able to create create four shoes, different shoes
Speaker 3: and four different styles of pleats and that it was
Speaker 3: on the fifth one and it was like, man, they believe,
Speaker 3: they truly believed in me, so that the respect was
Speaker 3: always there.
Speaker 1: When you saw I'm as sending you watch that Matt
Speaker 1: Damon ben Affleck movie air, like did you see yourself
Speaker 1: in them Michael Jordan's shoes where he was kind of
Speaker 1: the same deal where they're going to build a line
Speaker 1: around me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So when I first started my shoe line, it was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: brings some shoes in and you want to pattern your
Speaker 3: shoe after and I.
Speaker 2: Pulled out like six pairs of Jordan's. They was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is what you want to do. So, you know,
Speaker 2: Shout out of the East got more was my shoe
Speaker 2: priod at the time.
Speaker 3: He was over Nike, and he uh like he took
Speaker 3: those shoes, man, and he he took six shoes and
Speaker 3: he drew like three hundred pitches like he would come
Speaker 3: up with like three hundred sketches and we'll break him
Speaker 3: down three hundred, two hundred, two hundred to one hundred hundreds.
Speaker 3: The shoe process and making a shoe was so fun, man,
Speaker 3: so intriguing. P I I fell in love with that
Speaker 3: line more than anything that was that I was doing.
Speaker 3: I think that was one of my biggest downfalls because
Speaker 3: you know, did.
Speaker 1: You get upset with the shoe culture, like that's what
Speaker 1: you were?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wassessed with the shoe culture and obsessed with
Speaker 3: just having my own sicknasure line. It's like what athlete
Speaker 3: has its own shoe lining?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So even then, as privileged as I was, man like,
Speaker 3: I felt like I should have, you know, appreciated that
Speaker 3: a little bit more and that you know, sometimes you
Speaker 3: have things that come to you and things that you
Speaker 3: are given opportunities where you got to say, I got to,
Speaker 3: you know, one, be on my best behavior too. I
Speaker 3: got to think myself through a lot of situations because
Speaker 3: you know, I'm wonder this, this puts.
Speaker 2: Me up under the public eye and it's a pedestal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a lot of responsibility that comes along
Speaker 3: with having all of this, you know, and so you know,
Speaker 3: it's hindsight now, but you know, my attitude of my
Speaker 3: thinking was at twenty four was the way it was
Speaker 3: at thirty four and out of the church and things
Speaker 3: a lot more. And so you know, it's something I
Speaker 3: can preach to the Shadors and the James and the
Speaker 3: guys who are coming into the league who are going
Speaker 3: to obtain all these things at some point. Protected man,
Speaker 3: God blessed you, and you want to be able to
Speaker 3: talk to the next generation ten fifteen years from now
Speaker 3: and let them.
Speaker 1: Know how to hold on to my last question, I'll
Speaker 1: never forge get Monday Night football. Chip Kelly's now the
Speaker 1: new coach of the Eagles, and Robert Griffin is the
Speaker 1: hottest name in sports. He comes out, he is carrying
Speaker 1: a flag running out of the thing, and you guys
Speaker 1: came in there and just absolutely destroyed them. You Sean Jackson,
Speaker 1: Chip had the game plan laid out, take us through
Speaker 1: that week one Monday night game Eagles versus Redskins, and.
Speaker 2: Peter you always bring out the coolest moments. Many Let
Speaker 2: me let me look. I g three, my boy. I'm
Speaker 2: on the doorst part in a couple in a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks and Igie three, he the home.
Speaker 3: Well, I gotta tell you this story too, and me
Speaker 3: and me and Agi talked about this because I took
Speaker 3: it the wrong way.
Speaker 2: So four before that, I was I finished the season,
Speaker 2: I was hurt on.
Speaker 3: And just a long story long, I'm on injury reserve,
Speaker 3: and the Ramskins came in and would watch Commanders.
Speaker 2: They came in and beat us. They knocked us all
Speaker 2: beat as good.
Speaker 3: After the game, as he came to me and he
Speaker 3: was like, man, I wish he was out there today.
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, man, me too.
Speaker 3: But I kind of took it as you know, as
Speaker 3: a competitor, you always and also he respects I look
Speaker 3: at it, yeah, some type. But he was like, I
Speaker 3: wish he was out there. And later on that night,
Speaker 3: I'm like, what do you mean about that? He wished
Speaker 3: I was out there? I mean he wanted to go
Speaker 3: toe to toe with me, and you know, quarterback and quarterback.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know what next year, you know, I
Speaker 3: have my shot. We get they scheduled Washington first. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: Ge said he wanted you know, he wish I was
Speaker 3: out there. He went and so like in the Jordan moment,
Speaker 3: I psyched myself up in my head.
Speaker 2: And this what he wanted.
Speaker 3: He wanted to be a twelve year veteran. I'm a
Speaker 3: little older. He young, and he doing this thing and
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, and I just show up and show out.
Speaker 3: So you know, Chip, we we was running that new offense.
Speaker 3: It was fast paced, it was it was a great system.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I remember Lendon Fletcher coming to me before the game
Speaker 3: and saying, man, it's unfortunate that we got to play
Speaker 3: our first and we got to run into this offense first.
Speaker 2: Right then and there. I knew he was gonna be
Speaker 2: It was done right.
Speaker 1: When the best linebackers like it's unfortunate, we don't feel
Speaker 1: it's actually prepared for this.
Speaker 2: I'm like, he's scared. He got feel already. You know.
Speaker 3: We just got to go fast and then came off
Speaker 3: the flag and stuck it in the ground boom. I said,
Speaker 3: oh man, it's gonna be a long night. We gotta
Speaker 3: start fast. And I just never forget the play calling
Speaker 3: was amazing. I thought Chip was amazing. I knew I
Speaker 3: was getting old because I had a scene in that
Speaker 3: game where I broke one and I had to see
Speaker 3: him too wide open and they caught me, you.
Speaker 2: Know, time catching you a movement, not the same. It
Speaker 2: was a very competitive game.
Speaker 3: I had a chance to speak to after the game
Speaker 3: and we you know, we we had it, you know,
Speaker 3: a nice little moment. And then I mentioned it to
Speaker 3: Ig a couple of weeks, a couple of months ago, like, Bro,
Speaker 3: I remember you said that.
Speaker 2: He was like, nah, Bro, I ain't mean it like that,
Speaker 2: just that one.
Speaker 3: Just face you as an election, you know what I'm saying, Like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: I cite myself up to So it's good.
Speaker 2: It's one.
Speaker 3: When I think of that game, I think of that man.
Speaker 3: But certainly fun to play against, you know, Washington at
Speaker 3: the time. You know, long story, long story long. My
Speaker 3: grandmother was a Commander's fan. I always told myself I
Speaker 3: would never lose to Washington in my professional career because
Speaker 3: my grandmother was a command was a Commanders fan, and
Speaker 3: I never lost to him. Did you never lose to them?
Speaker 3: I never lost to them. I probably lost to everybody else,
Speaker 3: but I never lost them. So that was kind of
Speaker 3: a cool thing, man. And you know, me and my
Speaker 3: grandmother shared even when I got to the league, because
Speaker 3: my dream of playing in the NFL started with her.
Speaker 3: It started with us watching watching Washington every week because
Speaker 3: you know, growing up in Virginia, they was on every
Speaker 3: every week.
Speaker 2: That's the local game. That's what you got. You got
Speaker 2: you got the you got Washington weekend and week out.
Speaker 2: So I grew up watching Jay Straight and all those guys, so.
Speaker 1: Gary Clark and Ricky Sandys.
Speaker 2: The Posse.
Speaker 3: Uh, I mean it was too good. They was too good.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's my you know, my football moment. But
Speaker 3: Tip Kelly was amazing. I really got a lot of
Speaker 3: respect and chipping what he's done for the game of football.
Speaker 3: How you helped me to learn learn more more offense?
Speaker 1: Cool? All right, we're gonna wrap here. This is amazing.
Speaker 1: The Jaden Daniels interview I assume airs this weekend on
Speaker 1: Fox NFL Sunday.
Speaker 3: Yep, you, sir, Joe Santos. I want to say who
Speaker 3: was Joe was on the ground. Joe was amazing, man.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what the prep me and Joel did, Like,
Speaker 3: Joe prepped me to a point where I could just
Speaker 3: go in there and just ask the question.
Speaker 2: So he was amazing with it. That was fun working with.
Speaker 1: The producer for all those great features you see on Fox, Mike,
Speaker 1: I love you, man, You're great. You're so cruel and
Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking them time. You're a busy guy.
Speaker 1: Let's get some dinner this weekend.
Speaker 2: What do you say? Let's do it Saturday night.
Speaker 1: Saturday night, We're gonna go out. We're gonna go out hard.
Speaker 1: Let everyone knows, all right, Michael Vick. I'm gonna bring
Speaker 1: in my producer and friend, mister Aaron Wong Kaufman. I
Speaker 1: think Michael Vick is an incredible, incredible American story when
Speaker 1: you talk about the highs, the lows, and then getting
Speaker 1: back into the NFL and making the most of the opportunity.
Speaker 1: And what I take away from all this is that
Speaker 1: like he's got this great heart where he's trying to
Speaker 1: give back to the younger generation and saying, if I
Speaker 1: only knew then what I knew now, and how do
Speaker 1: I use all that information knowledge and experience Because you
Speaker 1: hear him like it's so sad that he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I had this shoe and I couldn't even enjoy it.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even I was so obsessed with it. And
Speaker 1: then he was talking about, you know, being in all
Speaker 1: these commercials and with the and I wish I could
Speaker 1: go back now and if I knew what I knew
Speaker 1: when I was thirty four, when I was twenty four,
Speaker 1: Like there's a there's a tragic part to the whole
Speaker 1: conversation too, of just like I wish he could have
Speaker 1: just enjoyed.
Speaker 2: It all, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, very introspective. And I also loved how much he
Speaker 4: how like he gave his flowers to those that came
Speaker 4: before him a lot. Like I loved him talking about, Oh,
Speaker 4: I love his backup plan with criminology. He's like I
Speaker 4: was gonna be in the FBI, Like I just had
Speaker 4: this other thing I could do, but him talking about
Speaker 4: like I was worried I would have to change my
Speaker 4: position because no black quarterbacks were getting taken. And then
Speaker 4: I saw Donovan mcnatgott yeah, and it was like, wait
Speaker 4: a minute, there's a chance that I can do.
Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. I mean, it's a really good take
Speaker 1: on it. And like I know that this movie comes
Speaker 1: out and I don't know if you've seen it or not.
Speaker 1: It's on Amazon, not it whatever the thing, it's number one.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means as far as you know,
Speaker 1: for his wallet or for his production career or anything
Speaker 1: like this. But I remember Michael Vick three years ago
Speaker 1: tell me he's like, I'm getting on a plane to
Speaker 1: go sit down with you know, Cam Newton. And I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, for what it's like this project I'm
Speaker 1: working on, and like how many athletes have like projects
Speaker 1: they're working on here. And then it came to fruition
Speaker 1: and it got like a red carpet you know, premiere
Speaker 1: and it was at the Apollo and it was a
Speaker 1: whole thing, and I just I'm so proud of him.
Speaker 1: It was like stuck with it and it's outside his
Speaker 1: comfort zone. He's not a filmmaker, and yet he played
Speaker 1: such a key role. And I from what I gather,
Speaker 1: he seems like he's really satisfied with the final product.
Speaker 2: It's pretty cool. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have not watched yet, but I'm excited too.
Speaker 4: It was one of those things that like coming out
Speaker 4: in the midst of the football season that's like, no,
Speaker 4: I'm going to like pull off some time when I
Speaker 4: can you know, set aside like an hour get into
Speaker 4: this now. But yeah, I mean it looks great, and
Speaker 4: he was, Yeah, I really enjoyed hearing him. He was great, great,
Speaker 4: and he's such a pleasure to work with.
Speaker 1: On Sundays, like it's funny you have Dan Orlowski like
Speaker 1: breaking down film of like here's x's and o's, and
Speaker 1: then over on you know CBS, like Matt Ryan is
Speaker 1: doing his thing as the next quarterback. Mike comes in
Speaker 1: and he's just like he sees things that we don't see.
Speaker 1: So he's talking about Jayden Daniels last week and he's like,
Speaker 1: I love the way how he talks to his teammates
Speaker 1: on the sideline and like that's what you're watching. He's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's that's what I see. He's like, I see the
Speaker 1: fact that he just go right to the bench and
Speaker 1: put his head in a towel, like he's over there
Speaker 1: and he's talking. I'm like, every one of these star
Speaker 1: quarterbacks has their own personal experiences, and for Michael Vicktt's
Speaker 1: so it's so unique because he was such a breakthrough
Speaker 1: athlete and such a cultural icon.
Speaker 4: And yet you also you hear him talk. He even
Speaker 4: said in the interview like what he what he what
Speaker 4: the game meant to him? And then he said, and
Speaker 4: what the locker room meant to me?
Speaker 1: And what that brotherhood meant me.
Speaker 4: So it makes sense that he would be the one
Speaker 4: who's like, oh, I see Kyler going off, and then
Speaker 4: he goes and he's talking to Marvin on the sideline
Speaker 4: and he's like getting him hyped up, and yeah, it
Speaker 4: was great observation and he just yeah, sounds like he
Speaker 4: looks at it a really interesting way.
Speaker 1: It's cool. Another great podcast episode, and we are happy
Speaker 1: to be sponsored and presented by Uber Eats. We are
Speaker 1: fans of uber Eats. I got an Uber eats iced coffee. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I do the Good Morning Football Show Aaron, and
Speaker 1: when I go out to LA which I did Monday
Speaker 1: and Tuesday, we start the show. I'm in there at
Speaker 1: three am, so we're not kidding. At three am it's
Speaker 1: so early. It's it's absurd, it's it's so early. But
Speaker 1: I need an iced coffee, as you see here, I'm
Speaker 1: holding one here. I need a nice coffee to do anything.
Speaker 1: But I don't like making ice coffee. If you make
Speaker 1: an iced coffee, you have to use a coffee maker,
Speaker 1: which they have. They got some great coffee maker there
Speaker 1: at NFL Network. But then you have to it's hot coffee.
Speaker 1: Then we need to do you put it to a fridge,
Speaker 1: but then you put ice in after the fact. It's
Speaker 1: all I like having an iced coffee that's just presented
Speaker 1: to me. I don't know how it's made.
Speaker 2: I don't know how it is.
Speaker 1: Someone does something and it's just it's there. So it's
Speaker 1: like three in the morning and I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 1: awake yet and there's diet coke and like that. That
Speaker 1: just sounds like a toxic way to start your day,
Speaker 1: to have like.
Speaker 2: Just soda in you.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I'm gonna uber eat a Starbucks the
Speaker 1: second it opens. There's a Starbucks that opens in Inglewood
Speaker 1: at like five am. I'm like, I'm gonna uber eats
Speaker 1: one of those. So I talked to one of the
Speaker 1: production coordinators. Great guy, I'm like if I Uber is like,
Speaker 1: i'llubre eeds it for you, Like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, I will do it, and he's like, let
Speaker 1: me do it. Within ten minutes, Uber Eats had an
Speaker 1: iced coffee presented to me. And I was having the
Speaker 1: best show in the world on Monday, talking about Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry and talking about Lamar Jackson and going big on
Speaker 1: Jaden and I think I would have been dead if
Speaker 1: I didn't have that iced coffee. I don't personally see
Speaker 1: a dime from uber eats. I am just telling you
Speaker 1: this is an amazing innovation in our lexicon right now.
Speaker 1: And if you're waking up at three am and you
Speaker 1: can get a coffee at five am, the second Starbucks
Speaker 1: opens and they don't deliver, but someone else does that
Speaker 1: delivering results. And the season with Peter Scheger is delivering
Speaker 1: results and well, presented by uber eats, and I give
Speaker 1: a war out each week titled It's time for Delivering
Speaker 1: Results presented by Uber Eats, and this week's winner is
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, thirty years old. Slow out of the gates
Speaker 1: first two weeks, exploded against Dallas in week three and
Speaker 1: then a week four, I had the most rushing yards
Speaker 1: ever by a Ravens running back in a game with
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety nine, and then he had an
Speaker 1: eighty seven yard run to really set the tone. And
Speaker 1: I think everyone's back in on Baltimore. They have now
Speaker 1: won two straight games. They're two and two, they're right
Speaker 1: and high. They look good, and Derek Henry looks as
Speaker 1: happier and as spry as he's ever looked before. I
Speaker 1: would say that Derek Henry is just getting started and
Speaker 1: he is just starting to deliver and deliver results. And
Speaker 1: that was delivering results presented at uber eats, where you
Speaker 1: can get the best deals on game day food all
Speaker 1: season long and dice coffee. Uber Eats is the official
Speaker 1: on demand delivery partner of the NFL.
Speaker 2: Order.
Speaker 1: Now, all right, Week five Jets go to London to
Speaker 1: play the undefeated Vikings and Sam Darnold, their former quarterback Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Let's see how it goes.
Speaker 1: Big Minnesota talk last night. We're not going to do
Speaker 1: politics here, but a lot of a lot of references
Speaker 1: to Minneapolis and Minnesota and that vice presidential debate. And
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the skull Vikings, whether this is the
Speaker 1: year they break through. We'll see. My mind is in
Speaker 1: football till next week. We'll have another product coming shortly.
Speaker 1: We enjoyed a conversation we have with someone else. We're
Speaker 1: going to pop that up on the feed. But thank
Speaker 1: you to Michael Vick, thank you to Jason English, thank
Speaker 1: you to Aaron wan Kaufman. Thank you to all the
Speaker 1: folks who helped with this together. Let's keep it rolling.
Speaker 1: Michael Vick tremendous guest this week. So appreciate his time,
Speaker 1: and we so appreciate you listening. The Season with Peter
Speaker 1: Schrager is a production of the NFL and partnership with iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.