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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern whitetail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, Mark Kenyan,

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Speaker 1: and tall In the show, I'm joined by bow hunting

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Speaker 1: legend and world champion tournament archer Randy Almer to discuss

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Speaker 1: everything you need to know to take your archery accuracy

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Speaker 1: and effectiveness to the next level. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wired Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light,

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Speaker 1: and today we're kicking off Shooting Month. All this month

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Speaker 1: of July, we're gonna be chatting with the best bow

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Speaker 1: hunters and shooters in the world about different ways to

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Speaker 1: improve our accuracy and effectiveness, both with a bow and

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Speaker 1: with a firearm, all with the goal of making this

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Speaker 1: next season are very best. Today, no more mrs, no

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Speaker 1: more shank shots or wounded deer. I'm sick of it.

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Speaker 1: I bet you're sick of it too. This is gonna

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Speaker 1: be the year that we can all take a significant

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Speaker 1: step towards becoming a better shot than ever before. That's

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Speaker 1: my goal, and today we're gonna kick things off in

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Speaker 1: about the best possible way that I can think of.

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Speaker 1: With Randy Almer. He's on the show of Me and

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Speaker 1: Tony today. If you're not familiar with Randy, he is

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Speaker 1: a long time outdoor writer and television personality. He's a

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Speaker 1: world champion ternment archer and one of the very most

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Speaker 1: regarded and most successful bow hunters in the country, if

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Speaker 1: if not the world. He's truly one of the best

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Speaker 1: has ever been and I'm thrilled he was willing to

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Speaker 1: join us today to dive deep into all things archery.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode it's it's really a masterclass, I gotta say

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Speaker 1: for taking your archery skills to the next level. We

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Speaker 1: cover some of the most important gear upgrades to improve

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Speaker 1: your accuracy, and whether or not gear is really all

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Speaker 1: that important these days when it comes to accuracy. We

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Speaker 1: cover uh target panic, we cover buck fever. We talked

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Speaker 1: about the keys to improving your archery form, Randy's step

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Speaker 1: by step shot process, a series of in depth instructions

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Speaker 1: for creating a perfect archery practice regiment, and a whole

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Speaker 1: lot more. I mean, this is, without a doubt, one

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Speaker 1: of the very best podcasts we've ever done about archery

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Speaker 1: and the skills necessary to become a more effective bow

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Speaker 1: hunn So sit back, and get ready to be inspired

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Speaker 1: to grab that bowl and hit the range, because that's

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Speaker 1: at least what it did to me. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: So I hope you feel the same way and hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoy this one. Here we go all right here

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Speaker 1: with me and Tony on the line, we have the

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Speaker 1: one and only Randy Almer. Randy, thanks for being on

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Speaker 1: the show. Hell, thanks for having me. We are we're

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Speaker 1: excited for this one. We've got a new series kick

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Speaker 1: and off this month. It's all about shooting, all about

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Speaker 1: taking our you know, skill set with a bow or

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Speaker 1: topics than you, Randy. So the pressure is on though,

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Speaker 1: because you're you're leading us off. Can you can you?

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Speaker 1: Can you care that? Okay? From everything I've seen of yours,

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Speaker 1: a do you have a recommendation on what the actual

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Speaker 1: in field best option would be if you are, you know,

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Speaker 1: jumping back and forth between the two. Yeah, I actually

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Speaker 1: go you can use the thumb button. The thumb button

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Speaker 1: is just a little like you're a little less likely

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00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: have target panic or uh, punch the trigger with the thumb,

436
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: but you can certainly do it. And a lot of

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00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: people do have issues with the thumb button, but especially

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00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: if you're shooting a hand because they're both handheld releases,

439
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: and for some reason psychologically, it's much easier to yank

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00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: the trigger or punch the trigger with your index finger

441
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Speaker 1: than it is pushing with your thumb. Because with the

442
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: thumb button release, you can kind of you can you

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00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: can shoot a release such as that more like a

444
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: a a hand release because you can kind of lay

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00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: the web of your thumb over the trigger and then

446
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: just squeeze with your hand and the release will go

447
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: off and it will be more of a surprise release.

448
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: But if you get to where you can shoot a

449
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: hand release very well, very comfortably, and not have any

450
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: hint of target panic, what I do is, even when

451
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm out hunting and I shoot my practice shots in camp,

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00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: I will actually use a hinge for my practice shots

453
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: because what's what you're doing is you're forcing your subconscious

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00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: mind and your muscle memory to hold that pin in

455
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: position until the release goes off as as a surprise,

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00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: and you're much less likely to punch, You're much less

457
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: likely to peak, and you're much less likely to have

458
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: all those issues that are going to cause you to

459
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: mission in a high pressure situation. Yeah, so Randy, let's

460
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: take into account here. So the people listening to this

461
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: are probably, you know, almost all primarily white tail hunters

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00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: who are using index finger style releases. Uh. They you know,

463
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: a lot of them aren't going to go buy a

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00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: hinge and use it. What what would you tell them?

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00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: Is there anything they can do that crowd can do

466
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: to get a little bit better at this? But the

467
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: surprise release um not without a lot of discipline. Uh,

468
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: it's it. Once you've got the issue of punching the trigger. Um,

469
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: like Tony said that he's dealing with. Once you've got that,

470
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 1: it is so hard to get with rid of unless

471
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: you go way back, um and go to the beginning

472
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: and then practice a lot, you know, and you can

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00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: get a good because hinge releases aren't complicated, the very

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00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: simple ones. And you can get a good hinjury lease

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00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: for not that much money. And to have that in

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00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: your tackle box and use it exclusively. That's where the

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00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: discipline comes in, is because it's so much more comfortable

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00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: and so much easier to shoot a trigger release. But

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00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: once you've learned to use the hinde release, you will, UM,

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00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: you will be so glad you did. So if you're serious,

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00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: you know. If you're not serious about your actuacy, then

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00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: no big deal. But if you're truly serious about making

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00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: your really good shots in the clutch, UM, I would

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00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: practice with the hinge release almost exclusively, and and and

485
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: and there's a little bit of a learning curve, so

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00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: you I always encourage people that do start shooting the

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00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: hinge release with their eyes closed up close to the bail, uh,

488
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: right after the hunting season ends and just get in

489
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: the wintertime maybe and just get really really comfortable with it.

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00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: So when they're ready to go outside and and or

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00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: you know, start shooting targets, they are very very comfortable

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00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: with the whole function of the hinge release. Before we

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Speaker 1: move on from this, Randy, how closely related? Because you

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00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: keep talking about target panic and I guarantee you there's

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00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of white tail hunters who have it who

496
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: don't know it. How closely is how close is that

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00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: uh relation to buck fever? In your opinion, it's well

498
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: buck fever that okay, buck fever is just getting really

499
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: really really excited and hurrying everything. And how they're related

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00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: is that the hurrying everything is where the issue comes in. Um,

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00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: what happened. Most people would define target panic as something

502
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: where you cannot They wouldn't consider punching the trigger target panic,

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00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: and I kind of roof them under the same umbrella

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00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: because of both psychological issues. But buck fever is just

505
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: getting really excited and we all get it. And for me,

506
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: what it is is just incredible anticipation that you know

507
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: you've got this big buck right there, and you want

508
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: him so bad and you just want it all over

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00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: with really quickly, because the anticipation in the excitement um

510
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: is so overwhelming. You just want that arrow gone because

511
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: you're afraid something's gonna happen uh, and the buck's gonna

512
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: run off and you're not gonna get your shots, so

513
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: you hurry the shot. What you have to do is

514
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: tell yourself that, yeah, the buck might run away, but

515
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: but you're much more likely to miss him. Um if

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00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: you don't take your time and squeeze the trigger. UM,

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00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: I know that I've screwed up if I don't remember

518
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 1: what happened during the shot process and you know the

519
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: arrow is gone and you don't even know why. If

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00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: I can remember every part of the shot process on

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00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: a big buck, that means that I actually had a

522
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: surprise release and I followed through. Yeah, I gotta believe

523
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of folks who can't do that. While

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00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: you just describe remember every part of that process. I mean,

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00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: I can tell you myself most of my shots. It's

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00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: even as I've tried to get better at this, I

527
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: still fall into an autopilot. And my autopilot historically has

528
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: been better the last couple of years. But I still

529
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you, all right, I remember anchoring, I remember

530
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: doing this, I remember thinking, I remember that. Now usual

531
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: it's that train and gets on the tracks and that's going.

532
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: So that's that's been in the animals I have shot

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00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: with the hinge relise. I can remember everything because when

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00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: you have that hinde reniase in your hand, you realize

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00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: that you have just I call it staying with the shot.

536
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: You have to stay with the shot through the very end. Uh.

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00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: It's it's very strong psychologically and knowing that you when

538
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: you're on the animal depends on the animal, You're subconscious

539
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: knows that you have to stay with stay with the shot.

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00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: And what it does is it causes you to aim

541
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: better because you're focused, focused, focused, because you don't know

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00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: when that release is going to go off. And I

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00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 1: can almost guarantee you if you shoot something with if

544
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: you shoot an animal with the hindered they Sho're going

545
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: to remember the whole shot process. So speaking of releases,

546
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: then that being one of these tools that you know,

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00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: you have a lot of belief in and being able

548
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: to help you. One of the things I was curious

549
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: about would be if someone was wanting to address accuracy,

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00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: somebody wanted to level up, and they were going to

551
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: look at the gear side of things, and they weren't

552
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: necessarily wanted to get more speed or more penetration or

553
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: something like that, was simply more accuracy. What's the one

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00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: gear category, like the one bucket stuff you would look

555
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: at addressing first. Would it be the release or is

556
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: it the bow itself, broadheads or arrows or what would

557
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: be that category that you think is the most impactful.

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00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: If someone worse started oh by far now years ago,

559
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: thirty years ago, I would have said, you know, it's

560
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: it's it's a big part of it's the equipment. The

561
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: equipment nowadays, if you've had your bow set up by

562
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: someone who knows what they're doing. The equipment is is

563
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: so good nowadays, so good that the vast majority of

564
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: accuracy issues are with the shooter. I can, I can.

565
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: You can take almost any bowl off the shelf, a

566
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: decent bow and put good accessories on it now and

567
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: bows are so well engineered now um that that the

568
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: bow is probably not a big part of the issue

569
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: unless something has happened to to it's gone out of tune,

570
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But the bows and arrows and

571
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: all the equipment nowadays are so good. So if you

572
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: want to be a better shooter, h you're not going

573
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: to do that by buying a new bow, um, you know,

574
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: unless your bow is over ten years old. You're going

575
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: to do that by working on yourself. And that's where

576
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: most people want to buy their way to accuracy, and

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00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: it just it just doesn't matter. You can take a

578
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: really good shooter with a really crappy, a very cheap

579
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: bow nowadays, and they're going to be incredibly accurate. So

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00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: I would say as long as you you know, you

581
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: know your your bow is shooting well, and you can

582
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: do that by going to your local pro shop and

583
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: having them look at you shoot and you know, shooting

584
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: it through paper, make sure everything's good, um, and make

585
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: sure all the bolts are tied of course, and there's

586
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: nothing loose. And as long as as the bow shooting good,

587
00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: I'd say the equipments ten percent the shooters. What about

588
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: like matching arrows to your bow or weights and anything

589
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,439
Speaker 1: like that. There's a whole lot of talk these days

590
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: about you know, different arrow setups, heavier this, more front

591
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: of center. It's a very trendy thing in the last

592
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: few years to dive further and further down that road.

593
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: How important is that for people to do We need

594
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: to go really really deep into that and obsess over that,

595
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: or to your point is no, absolutely not. Um, you

596
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: can again, I can take a good shooter and get

597
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: a boat an arrow that's that has really almost no

598
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: front of center and an arrow that is not really

599
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: even spined well to the bow, and he's still going

600
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: to shoot very very well. Um, it's not nearing his

601
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: critical now if you most of that stuff comes from

602
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: Western hunters that are shooting a hundred yards, and it

603
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: does make a difference because you know the Olympic shooters

604
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: or uh competitive compound bow shooters that are shooting long distances.

605
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: You know front of center is going to make a difference.

606
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: But it's front of center and the stiffness of the

607
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: arrow and and I'm into all of that stuff, don't

608
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: get me wrong, And I've written about all of it.

609
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: I've talked about all of it. Um. But that's taking

610
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: you to a point of diminishing returns. That's when you're

611
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: already completely well versed at shooting form and discipline of

612
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 1: the release that all of that stuff will make the difference.

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00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: Let's say you can shoot. Let's say you can shoot

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00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: a tenant group at a hundred yards and you know

615
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: you would just a regular setup, and and that's a

616
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: very very very incredibly good shooter. You start working on

617
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: front of center, uh, different stiffnesses of arrow, you know,

618
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 1: you might be able to get down to an eight

619
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: or a seven inch group. That's what that stuffs for.

620
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: It's for the elite shooter that really knows what they're doing.

621
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: For the average white tail hunter, it doesn't matter much

622
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: all Now, it matters a little bit. I don't want

623
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: somebody to say that he said it doesn't matter. It matters,

624
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: But it's so much more important that you're able to

625
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: put the pin on the target, squeeze the trigger, not

626
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: interfere with the bow. That's the problem most people have.

627
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: You take the average bowl you would buy at a

628
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: bow shop right now, or even if you were to

629
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: go to a big box store, buy an average bow,

630
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: put it in a shooting machine after it's been tuned,

631
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: and it is going to hit. You know, it's going

632
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: to shoot a two three group at fifty yards. The

633
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: issue is the shooter. People interfere with the bow. They

634
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: interfere with how that bow shoots. The arrow, they turket,

635
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: they yank the trigger, they have interference with the bowstring

636
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: on their face. They do all these things to interfere

637
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: with how that bow shoots the shot. The only thing

638
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: good form does is it make sure that you allow

639
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,959
Speaker 1: the bow to shoot the shop without interference. That's it.

640
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: Let's talk about form so that if that's really the

641
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: foundation that's going to allow our gear to actually perform

642
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: as well as it can, how do we make sure

643
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: our form is as good as possible. I know there's

644
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 1: a million videos out there, and there's a million articles

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Speaker 1: that talk through all the different aspects of good archery form.

646
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Speaker 1: But but could you walk us through the Randy Almer

647
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Speaker 1: take on you know, whether you want to walk us

648
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: through the foundational elements of it, or if it's more

649
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: interesting to you just maybe break down the big problem

650
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: areas you see most often. Um, I'd love to just

651
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: kind of get your take on how we can establish

652
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: better form and consistency. Okay, the thing to remember about

653
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: form is with archery, h you can be an incredibly

654
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: good shot and you can have a really bad form

655
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: as long as you do everything exactly the same way

656
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: every time. And there's some shooters just like some just

657
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: like some golfers that have really radical swings that are

658
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: still really good. That's because they do they're able to

659
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: do everything exactly the same way every time. Good form,

660
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: what I would call good form, is merely increasing the

661
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: odds that you can repeat from shot to shot to shot.

662
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: So really, obviously the most basic part of form is

663
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: having a good foundation. But unfortunately, and when I say that,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about stants, puts, put placement. Unfortunately, most of

665
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 1: the times, at least when I'm shooting, I'm either on

666
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: my knees, or I'm I'm leaning around a tree, or

667
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: the winds blowing uh, or you know, you're on uneven terrain.

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Speaker 1: The nice thing about white tail hunters is usually they've

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Speaker 1: got a good solid foundation to shoot from. And a

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00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: lot of white tail shooters will try to stand up

671
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: to shoot, but some shoot from sitting down. And if

672
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: you do shoot from sitting down, obviously you need to

673
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: work on your form. But really the foundation is just

674
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 1: the bottom part. The foundation allows your upper body, which

675
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: is the critical part two, not be wiggling. Um, as

676
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: long as you can have good t form with your upproportion,

677
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: and what I mean by good tea form is that

678
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: your your torso your spine is relatively vertical, and your

679
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: bow arm and your release arm are in the form

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00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: of a t um and you know you're everything. The

681
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 1: more aligned your body is with the bow, the less

682
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: likely you are to interfere with the bow. And what

683
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: I mean by that is if, if, if you were well,

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00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: Let's start with the handle of the boat, because that's

685
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: the one place that most people have. The issue is

686
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: how they put their hand into the boat. You have

687
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: to be able to put your hand in the bow consistently.

688
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: And the best way to have a consistent shot process

689
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: from shot to shot to shot is to have bone

690
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: on bone contact. Now, if you'll if you don't take

691
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: your middle finger and put it, it's too bad. This

692
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: isn't visual. But basically what you want is you want

693
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Speaker 1: the bow, the pressure of your hand on the bow

694
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: to be in the bottom part of your palm, where

695
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: if you were to follow the two long bones of

696
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: your forearm, the radius and the aulna, if you were

697
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: to pretend you had a a a rod that rent

698
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: perfectly parallel to those two bones and and came out

699
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: in the bottom of your palm, that's where you want

700
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: all the pressure on your bow handle because that way

701
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,439
Speaker 1: you don't have to use any muscles to control the bow,

702
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: and you won't talk your boat from left to right.

703
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: So pretend you had no thumb, no fingers, no hand

704
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: other than the the the end of your forearm where

705
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: it comes out on your palm. You could put a

706
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: bow right there, and if you were holding the boat correctly,

707
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: that bow would not fall off that point. That's what

708
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,240
Speaker 1: you're trying to do, and you want want no pressure

709
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: from your finger or your thumb, because what happens is

710
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 1: as soon as the string is released, the bowl will

711
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: start rotating whichever way you have pressure on it. So

712
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: pretend you have no hand and all the pressure is

713
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: straight down your forearm. That's what you want because it's

714
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: very repeatable and it will never change from shot to shot.

715
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: The next thing is you need to have your release

716
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: hand in your release elbow to have a perfectly straight

717
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: alignment with the arrow. So if you were standing straight

718
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 1: above a shooter and you were to look down the arrow,

719
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: and then you were to look down their forearm and

720
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: their hand all the way to the tip of their elbow,

721
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: it would be a perfectly straight line. A lot of

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00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: people will break that line by bending their their wrist

723
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: or by bending their hand in some way you don't

724
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: want to do. They wanted to be in a perfectly

725
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: straight line, because the the and the best way to

726
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: do that is just to completely relax everything. Because if

727
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: you completely relax everything, it's going to become it's going

728
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: to go into winement. If your elbow is to the

729
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: left or to the right of that line, small changes

730
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: in the position of your elbow is going to have

731
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: a major effect on the the forces that that that

732
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: are created. If your elbow is perfectly in line, you

733
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: can have your elbow off a quarter or a half

734
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: an inch either way, and it's going to have very

735
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,919
Speaker 1: little effect on where that Harald Boes another very important form,

736
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Speaker 1: and you guys can jump in any time if you

737
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: have a question, because I'm kind of going just down

738
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: the line again again. Your entire goal is to let

739
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: the bow shoot the shot. Don't make the bow shoot

740
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: the shot. People create tension, and that tension interferes with

741
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: the bow shooting the shot. If you don't interfere with

742
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: the bow the string at all, and you you contact

743
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: the bowl, well you should only contact the bow in

744
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: two places at the string where you've got the release attached,

745
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: and and and and and and your bow hand. If

746
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: those could be completely relaxed and everything in alignment, the

747
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: arrow is going to hit exactly where the pin is.

748
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 1: If you take a shot and the arrow hits somewhere

749
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: other than where the pin was once the bow sided,

750
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: and obviously and the arrow hits anywhere other than where

751
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: the pin was, it means that you interfered with that bow.

752
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: And you have to figure out why. One of the

753
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: most common places that people are going to interfere with

754
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: the bow is once we've eliminated hand torch in the front.

755
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: The other place that they're going to interfere with the

756
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: bow is contact with their face or clothing. But the

757
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: main thing is the face. Um. What you'll see people

758
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: do is is for the last thirty years, since people

759
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: have gone away from shooting with their fingers um and

760
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: people started using peeps, there's one bit of dogma that

761
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: has stuck in the archery industry and I don't really

762
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: understand why, and that's that you have to have a

763
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 1: rock solid anchor point and and what that causes people

764
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: to do is really dig into their face with their

765
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: hand and the string and what happens is you get

766
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: chin drag or nose drag, and people will press the

767
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: string so hard into their face that the string actually

768
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: has For a right handed string shooter, the string actually

769
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: has to come out around their face to the right,

770
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: dragging their skin, and it will make them hit to

771
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 1: the left. So if you have inexplicable right or left shots,

772
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: it's usually either from hand tork or from face interference.

773
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: What I like to tell people is just have a

774
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: baby breath, touch of their string to their face or

775
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: to the tip of their nose, again not interfering with

776
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: the bow, so the string wants to release. This is triggered.

777
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: The string has no interference moving forward again, you're letting

778
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: the bowshoot the shot instead of making the bowshoot the shot.

779
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: So really good form is extremely simple. Um it's just

780
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: doing everything the same way every time. And the best

781
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: way to do that is really to watch video of

782
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: the very top pro shooters. They'll almost all have the

783
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: exact same form, and that's the form that's proven to

784
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: be most repeatable. And that form is standing up straight,

785
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: no stress in the face. You want the boat, You

786
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: want the string. When you pull a bow back, you

787
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: want the string to come to your face. Okay, if

788
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: you're standing, If you're standing like you're going to shoot

789
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: your bow, but you do not have a bow in

790
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: your hand. You're standing, and your feet are Actually most

791
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: people their feet will be the tip of their toes

792
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: if you were to to lay an arrow down at

793
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: the tip of their toes, and the air would be

794
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: pointing pretty much straight at the target. So you're you're

795
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: you're at a ninety degree angle to the target. And

796
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: what you want to do with your head is you

797
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: want to stand there, completely relaxed, looking straight forward, and

798
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: then you want to turn your head. For a right

799
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: handed shooter, you're turning your head ninety degrees to the

800
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: left and just as comfortable as can be. When you

801
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 1: pull your bow back, you do not want to move

802
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: your head or your face. You want it to be

803
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: in a completely perfect position, perfectly relaxed position. Most people

804
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: will pull back their bow, most most people that aren't

805
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: really really good shooters will pull back their bow, and

806
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: then they'll move their face and bring their face into

807
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: the boat. And and that's not relaxed. You'll see them

808
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: cocking their head down, or cocking their head up, or

809
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: cocking their head further to the left or the right.

810
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: You want your head to be in a perfectly straight

811
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: up and down, relaxed spine, relaxed neck position, and and

812
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 1: looking at the target. And when you draw the bow,

813
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: the bow will come to your face and you're not

814
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: manipulating your face to put it into the bow. What

815
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: you're seeking with good shooting form is complete, complete relaxation.

816
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: You want bone upon bone. You want everything to be

817
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: resting upon bone. Obviously it takes some muscular contraction to

818
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: hold the bow back and up. You want that to

819
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: be as minimal as possible. I've got a quick question

820
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: when it comes to you know, the face and the

821
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: anchor points, and you know, as you mentioned, it's been

822
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: drilled into us so much about the importance of those

823
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: anchor points, and your point about the possible chin drag

824
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: or nose drags is well taken. I'm curious what you

825
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: think about some of these anchor um anchor point tools,

826
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: stuff like a kisser button or more recently like the

827
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: nose buttons that are becoming popular, or either one of

828
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: those good ways to still have an anchor point, but

829
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: have that lighter no like like you said, like a

830
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: very very light anchor point is that a good way

831
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: to do it, or do you think those are not?

832
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: You know, I've never been a fan of kisser buttons.

833
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: Now if you kisser buttons came around when there were

834
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: no peeps. Okay, I can take my bow mhm, and

835
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: I can shoot my normal way with just the my

836
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: tip of my nose on the string and just a

837
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: whisper baby's breath touch of this of the of the

838
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 1: string on my chin, I can shoot. Then I can

839
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: take my bow and I can I can pull it

840
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: further forward from my face, so I actually have to

841
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: kind of tip my head a little bit. And if

842
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: I'm completely relaxed and I'm looking through my peep and

843
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: it's lined up with, uh, the spot I'm trying to hit,

844
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: it will hit in the exactly same in the exact

845
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: same spot because I'm not interfering with the bow. So again,

846
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,319
Speaker 1: the more things you have touching your face, the more

847
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: you're interfering with your bow. That that really the peep

848
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 1: site is your anchor point. If your bow is complete,

849
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: if you're if you are completely relaxed, you if you

850
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: are completely relaxed and your your barm and your release

851
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: arm are completely relaxed and in alignment with the bow.

852
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: You do not have to have an anchor point. You

853
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: can just look through the peep and shoot. Now, I'm

854
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: not advocating that, I'm just telling you that to illustrate

855
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: a point that a solid anchor is absolutely not necessary. Now,

856
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: a solid anchor, A solid anchor is not necessary. But again,

857
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: in order to be as consistent as possible, you need

858
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: to repeat. So a light anchor is plenty. All you

859
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,959
Speaker 1: have to do is just do it the exact same

860
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: way every time. What happens is when people hear the

861
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,959
Speaker 1: words solid anchor, they feel like they got to dig

862
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: their hand into their into their into their jawbone. And

863
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: what happens is you'll notice if you dig your hand

864
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 1: into your job zone, what will happen is it will

865
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: break your wrist. And what I mean by that is

866
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: your wrist won't be in a straight line. Because you

867
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: can do it right now, just just just while you're

868
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: sitting there. If you take your hand and let's say

869
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 1: what they what people tend to tell you to do

870
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: with a hand held release is to put those first

871
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: two knuckles of your of your of your fist, against

872
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 1: your jaw bone, say, against the back of your jaw

873
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: bone and push it there, and that's gonna get you

874
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: in the same anchor point every time. But when you

875
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: do and you push it in hard, what you're gonna

876
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: notice is it's gonna break your release. Your release is

877
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: no I mean your wrist. Your wrist is no longer

878
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: in a straight line. It's very important, in my opinion,

879
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: to keep your wrist in a straight line as possible

880
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: because whenever you break the line of force, if you

881
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: break that line of force and you change it, say

882
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: half an inch from shot to shot, it's going to

883
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: affect the left and rights on your arrow. However, if

884
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: you relax your release completely and relax your wrist completely,

885
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: and and maintain that just that very light touch of

886
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: your of your knuckles to your face, not digging into

887
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: your bone to get that solid, but just relax it,

888
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you'll see that your wrist becomes

889
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 1: straight because everything is relaxed. And the more relaxed you are,

890
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: the more consistent you're gonna be, and the less likely

891
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: you are to interfere with the bow because what's happening

892
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: is is everything is just hanging. I like to imagine

893
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: my my bow arm, excuse me, my release arm from

894
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: the tip of my elbow all the way through my

895
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: fingers to be like a rubber band that just stretches out.

896
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: And the more it stretches out, the more relaxed it is,

897
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:58,359
Speaker 1: the more consistent it's it's going to be because you're

898
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: not using any muscles. Whenever you incorporate muscles into the

899
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: shooting routine, the more muscles you incorporate, the easier it

900
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: is to change from shot to shot. If everything is

901
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: totally relaxed, the less likely things are to change from

902
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 1: shot to shot. Yeah. When you bring up the issue

903
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 1: of consistency and all this are the anchor points and everything,

904
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: the next thing that came to mind for me was

905
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: how our consistency is as white tail hunters changes when

906
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: we try to perfect all this form you're talking about

907
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: in the backyard, but then all of a sudden, we're

908
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: in a tree at an elevated position pcent of the time,

909
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, now things start getting wonky.

910
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: Can you talk about that a little bit. Yeah, that's

911
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: why that's why your house has a roof. Yeah. No, seriously,

912
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 1: you either you know, you either put a tree stand

913
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: up in your backyard at your shooting range. And and

914
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: the key is, you know, most of the time, let's

915
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: say you're let's say you're fifteen feet up in a

916
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: tree um and you're shooting, say twenty yards, Well, you're

917
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: shooting downhill fairly a fair bit. What I found is

918
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: to use extreme practice. And when you can use extreme practice,

919
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: the less extreme the average. Let's say the average what's

920
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: what's your average tree stand high? Yeah, it's say, yeah, okay,

921
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: so so and your average shot is going to be

922
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty yards I'm guessing. Okay, Well, okay, now,

923
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: now I don't have I don't have any way of

924
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: calculating that that angle right now. But the angle is

925
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 1: not severe, but it's it's significant. So what I do

926
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: is like I'm in Colorado right now, and just outside

927
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: my archery room door is a thirty seven degree slope,

928
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: which is nearly a cliff. I mean, it's hard walking

929
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: up it. And at the top of that is ninety

930
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,879
Speaker 1: yards away is a target. And I shoot my arrows

931
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: up and then I shoot myrows down. And that's a

932
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: very very significant angle. But the reason I do such

933
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: an extreme angle, you know, you're very rarely gonna have

934
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: a shot like that in real life. But what it

935
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: does is it teaches me an extreme what what I'm

936
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: doing wrong and why Typically when I'm shooting uphill and

937
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: for right hand or shoot is this is most often

938
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: when you're shooting up there, you're gonna miss the lap

939
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: from you're shooting down here, you're gonna miss to the

940
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: right um. Not true for everybody, but but on average.

941
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: So what I would encourage you to do is is

942
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: put a tree stand up in your yard, if you

943
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: have a tree or at the range, you know, thirty

944
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: feet up, and then shoot at a target fifteen yards

945
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: from the base of the tree. And what that's going

946
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: to do is it's going to exaggerate all the issues

947
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: that you have. And you've got to remember to do

948
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 1: it standing up and sitting down because obviously it's it's

949
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: going to change your form and when you're shooting at

950
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 1: such a severe angle like that, your misses are going

951
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: to be more significant, and they're going to be more

952
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 1: significant missing to the left um. And what you have

953
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: to do is teach yourself. And and this again this

954
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: is you can look online videos shooting up hill and

955
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: down hill. I have some stuff online and a lot

956
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: of other people do. But what you'll find is that

957
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: the more you practice in it in extremes, the more

958
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: likely you are to identify your problems and then and

959
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: then be able to resolve them. If you shoot like

960
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: let's say you only climb up ten ft in a

961
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: tree stand and you're shooting thirty yards away, you're not

962
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: really practicing any extreme. It's it's it's almost as easy

963
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: to shoot that shots is a shot on flat ground.

964
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: So practice extremes. And and while we're talking about shooting,

965
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: you guys always shoot downhill. I'm I'm shooting uphill half

966
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: the time when you know, in the west and the

967
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: really rough terrain. But you guys just need to learn

968
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: how to shoot down here. And the main thing to

969
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: remember is to maintain that te form shooting. What a

970
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: lot of people are doing and it causes problems. Is

971
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: rather than bending at the waist and and keeping that

972
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: tea form where your spine is perpendicular to both of

973
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: your arms at full draw, what they tend to do

974
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: is they tend to stand more straight up and just

975
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: lower the left arm, which completely changes your shooting form

976
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: and it completely interferes with with the bow shooting the shot. Yeah,

977
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: and it does. There's a different feeling too, when you

978
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: when you try to focus on, you know, swiveling at

979
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: the hip the proper way. If you don't do that enough,

980
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 1: you can feel different muscles being activated, and it can

981
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: be harder to get comfortable if you don't practice that.

982
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: I remember early on, it's just really hard for you

983
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: to relax. And the tea to shooting a really good

984
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: shot is is to be as relaxed just possible a

985
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: full drawn If if you're tweaking your muscles while you're

986
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 1: trying to do that, it can be very uncomfortable and

987
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 1: you're you're more likely to interfere with the bow. Yeah,

988
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: I want to I want to talk practice now, but

989
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 1: I guess before before we jump to that, Tony, do

990
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: you have any other form specific stuff before we shift

991
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: into how we make form a part of who we

992
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: are with practice? Um? I think no. The only two

993
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 1: things I would say is I've never fake drawn my

994
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: bow as much as I have in the last hour,

995
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: and I've never faced the reality of how much bullshit

996
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: I've written in my life. That's probably wrong as far

997
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: as how to be an accurate shooter. So this is

998
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: making me question everything. Randy, Well, yeah, now and Cabiat

999
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: out there that just because I'm saying it. The one thing,

1000
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: the one reason I was so successful as a competitive archer,

1001
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: is I didn't I always question dogma. The one thing

1002
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: that you have to remember is there's a lot of

1003
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: dogma in the archery world, and everybody wants you to

1004
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: shoot exactly the way they shoot um, and that's not

1005
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: always going to work for you. You do have to

1006
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: You do have to question yourself though, and you can't

1007
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: assume that the way you do things is the right way.

1008
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 1: And when someone like me is you know, is beating

1009
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: on their chest and saying this is the way you

1010
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: have to do it. This is the way that works

1011
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: for most people, it may not be the way it

1012
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: works best for you. But it goes back to being

1013
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 1: honest with yourself. If to do things the way you've

1014
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: always done it is the easiest solution, but if you

1015
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: truly want to get better, you have to experiment. And

1016
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: I did a great deal of experiment experimenting when I

1017
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: was seriously trying to be better as a competitive shooter.

1018
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: To see and there were a lot of things that

1019
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: were dogmatic that that that I challenged and I did differently,

1020
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: and and and Since that time, a lot of those

1021
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: things have become dogma. So again, what you're saying that

1022
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: you know you're doing everything wrong because I say it's wrong. Um,

1023
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, don't believe every person that proclaims their guru

1024
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: out there. There's a lot of stuff on the internet

1025
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,439
Speaker 1: that just horrifies me. Well, can we talk about something

1026
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,600
Speaker 1: quick then, Mark? I know you want to move on

1027
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: to practice, but there's something I always think about, uh

1028
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: with you know, and it's different in your world, Randy,

1029
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: because you're you're you're doing so much Western stuff and

1030
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: you know, up and down terrain, just a different kind

1031
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: of hunt than a than a typical white tail hunt.

1032
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: But one thing I know about you, uh, you know.

1033
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this or not, but

1034
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: I met you at that Peterson's Bow Hunting meeting or

1035
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: dinner we had at a t A and like two

1036
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: thousand and six or something, and you were you were

1037
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: talking about a couple of the really big meal dear

1038
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: you had killed that year, and I remember you saying

1039
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: I think maybe it was your Colorado buck that year,

1040
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: but saying that you had spent like fifty days scouting

1041
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: that deer. And I just remember thinking Holy cow, how

1042
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: familiar is this guy with this animal? And you know,

1043
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: so throughout this conversation we've been talking about form and

1044
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, blank bail shooting and all of these kind

1045
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: of like fundamental technical things that make you a better shot,

1046
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 1: but you also work really hard to get a familiarity

1047
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: with these animals you're hunting. And I think people kind

1048
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: of take it for granted that you're this amazing shooter

1049
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: and you kill a lot of big stuff, But there's

1050
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 1: that sort of piece in the middle that we don't

1051
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 1: talk about much, which just you putting yourself around these animals,

1052
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: probably to get a comfort level that most you know,

1053
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: average hunters couldn't even understand. Well, yeah, and that's a

1054
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: completely different podcast. I mean, that's that's just even to

1055
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: touch on that, it's just going to take a long time.

1056
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 1: But yes, uh, and that's you know, if if you

1057
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: guys want to move in that direction, we certainly can um.

1058
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: But again that's kind of a different podcast. Yes, I

1059
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: spend you know, all spend literally thirty nights out on

1060
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: the mountain, you know, sleeping on the round because it's

1061
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 1: what I enjoyed. I've fortunately, over the year, has been

1062
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: able to put myself in a position where I have

1063
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: a lot of time. In the summer, I do most

1064
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: all my work. Um, I work in the summer, but

1065
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: I I I'm able to get out and at least

1066
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 1: thirty days every summer scouting and mule there is kind

1067
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: of my you know it used to be out, but

1068
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 1: I've really gotten into meal there so and and and yes,

1069
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: and most of that time is spent just trying to

1070
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 1: find that one deer that I want to take. But

1071
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: but the take home point on on on me spending

1072
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: that much time is when you spend that much time

1073
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: looking for one deer, um, and you get an opportunity

1074
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 1: at that deer. And this is the same. This translates

1075
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,880
Speaker 1: completely for white toil hunters. You know, you've got your

1076
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: trail cameras out there. You know there's one deer out

1077
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: there that that's the deer you want to kill, and

1078
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: you're you know, you're doing your food plots, you're doing

1079
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: you're scouting, you're putting up your tree stands, you're doing

1080
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 1: all the preparation. You guys do as much preparation as

1081
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: I do. It's just mostly done in the middle of

1082
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: the day. Um, But you've got all this preparation, and

1083
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: it all comes together. Your whole season is going to

1084
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: be a successor of failure. And I'm not measuring success

1085
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: purity as killing an animal, but for this particular conversation,

1086
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: let's let's use success as getting that animal that you've

1087
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: been putting all this work into. It all comes down

1088
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: to that one shot. And people assume, because of all

1089
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: my you know, target shooting championships and all that stuff,

1090
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: they assume that I shoot a long ways and I don't,

1091
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: and and and there's a reason I could, you know,

1092
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: because again I can. You know, I can consistently and

1093
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: again this is in my backyard with no end and

1094
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: I can consistently shoot very very well at very very

1095
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: long distances with my broadhead set up. However, I will

1096
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: not on on on an animal that I've scouted, or

1097
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 1: any animal for that matter. But I have a hard

1098
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: and fast rule that I don't shoot past six yards, um,

1099
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: because you know, I've got so much time invested in

1100
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: this animal, and the last thing I want to do

1101
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: is wound him or missing, because these are smart old deer.

1102
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,919
Speaker 1: And and if you wound him or missing, it's done.

1103
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: You're done for the season. You know, you're gonna have

1104
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: to go to your number two dear, hopefully if you

1105
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 1: can find him. But so this does tie in a

1106
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: little bit too to working on your shooting, because you

1107
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: guys spend so much time all the intricacies of of

1108
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:40,360
Speaker 1: of and I don't even know the half of it

1109
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: what you guys do to get position yourself in the

1110
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: right place at the right time to get a shot

1111
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:50,640
Speaker 1: at this one deer. And yet these guys that do this,

1112
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: And and I'm friends with a lot of extremely successful

1113
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,919
Speaker 1: bow hunters, um and I'll shoot with them, and I'm

1114
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm just affle at at how the issues they

1115
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: have in their shooting. And they spend literally thousands of

1116
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: hours a year, hundreds of hours a year, uh doing

1117
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 1: everything else, but they're not willing to go to a

1118
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 1: shooting coach and improve their shootings so that when they

1119
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: do get this opportunity they can kill it. And I've

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01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: got a good friend, Jack Frost. He's one of the

1121
01:06:25,720 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: best bone hunters of all times. And and and I'm

1122
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 1: not picking on him, well, I guess I am a

1123
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: little bit, but he'll pick on himself. Jack is probably

1124
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: the best hunter, certainly one of the top five hunters

1125
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: I know of all time. Um. And Jack will tell

1126
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: you that if he could shoot better, he would have

1127
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: had multiple world world records, but he will admit that

1128
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: he's not the best shot in the world. And and

1129
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, Jack is a Jack is a orthopeak surgeon.

1130
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 1: He's an incredibly intelligent individual. But I don't know if

1131
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: John Jack's every bondo shooting coach. But it's just you know,

1132
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 1: he likes hunting and he likes he actually likes shooting.

1133
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: But the thing is is is he's told me that, yeah,

1134
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: if I could shoot better, I would have all these

1135
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: world records. So my point is, take some time and

1136
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 1: study and shoot, join the target league, get a coach,

1137
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 1: and then when you do have that one opportunity, you're

1138
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: not gonna blow it. Yeah, So so let's go there.

1139
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 1: Then let's talk about shooting, practicing, making sure that you

1140
01:07:49,560 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: don't blow that moment. If if we've got our form,

1141
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: we we know the right way to to be operating

1142
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,439
Speaker 1: our bone, we know the right set up for our bone,

1143
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 1: and we know certain things we to do control the

1144
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,959
Speaker 1: mental side. Now we've got to just get out there

1145
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: practice enough that this that this stuff is is part

1146
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: of who we are. I first I'm curious about one

1147
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: simple thing, that being how much practice is enough. Like,

1148
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: there's some people I know, pretty darn good hunters who

1149
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: don't touch their bow until like a month after the season,

1150
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: and then they grab their bow and they'll shoot, you know,

1151
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: a dozen arrows a couple of times a week, and

1152
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 1: then they're like, oh, yeah, I'm good to go, and

1153
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: they're and they're great. And there's some people who say,

1154
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,759
Speaker 1: I shoot a lot, and maybe they shoot from July

1155
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: into the season, and then they shoot a couple of

1156
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: times here and there during the season, and then you

1157
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: hear other people who shoot all year round, and they say,

1158
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 1: you've got to shoot every day all year round and

1159
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: really be good at this. Um, What's what's the truth

1160
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: of the matter, Randy, What do you think is is

1161
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 1: the bar that someone who really wants to be extremely proficient,

1162
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: what's the bar they need to pass as far as

1163
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: how often and how you know, how how much practice

1164
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: is needed to really be fishing at this? Okay, so

1165
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 1: remember this perfect practice makes perfect and it's very very true. Okay.

1166
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 1: When I was winning my world championships, i was I

1167
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: was working as a veterinarian sixty hours a week. I

1168
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: did not have time to practice every day. It just

1169
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 1: wasn't in my schedule. I shot anywhere from thirty to

1170
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: sixty arrows every other day, and my competitors were shooting

1171
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 1: two to three arrows a day. The key is, we'll

1172
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: go back to what I said earlier. The key is

1173
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 1: every day that I let's say I had an hour

1174
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: and a half to practice every other day, I wrote

1175
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 1: down what my issues were, what I needed to work

1176
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 1: on that day. And let's say I was working on

1177
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 1: um relax in my front hand, which was is an

1178
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: issue with everybody all the time constantly, because instinctually your

1179
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: front hand of your bow is is is incredibly hard

1180
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 1: to relax perfectly every shot. But I would, let's say

1181
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm working on that well during my practice session. That

1182
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 1: is my top priority is to focus and work on

1183
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 1: my practice on that hand. But you know, you don't

1184
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: let everything else go, but you are focused on that,

1185
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 1: and I would shoot my thirty to six arrows and

1186
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 1: they would be perfect arrows. And the other thing that

1187
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: I did is and I still do it to this day,

1188
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 1: is I shoot at least my first five arrows and

1189
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: my last five arrows at a blank bell with my

1190
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:55,360
Speaker 1: eyes closed, And I know that just sounds completely whacked

1191
01:10:55,360 --> 01:11:00,040
Speaker 1: to people that don't understand. But what it does do

1192
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: is is it teaches you. And it has to be

1193
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: something that you teach yourself, and you're kind of like

1194
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: an alcoholic. It's one day at a time. You have

1195
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 1: to teach yourself over and over and over again. What

1196
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 1: a perfect, relaxed, perfectly executed surprise release shot feels like.

1197
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,120
Speaker 1: What it actually feels like. When you've got a target

1198
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 1: involved in the equation, you quit thinking about what's going

1199
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 1: on with your body. You start thinking about the execution

1200
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 1: of the pen when the when the depends on the target,

1201
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:39,600
Speaker 1: and everything else kind of goes way back into the background.

1202
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: By shooting with your eyes closed, you you you teach

1203
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:47,799
Speaker 1: yourself what a perfectly executed shot feels like. Perfectly executed

1204
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 1: shot feels really good. So I get myself in the

1205
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: groove for a perfectly executed shot, and if I'm not

1206
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 1: feeling at all, shoot fifteen or twenty arrows at the

1207
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: blank bail, just tell and tell I can feel that

1208
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,840
Speaker 1: perfect shot and the same thing at the end of

1209
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 1: my practice session. So I haven't answered your question. If

1210
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 1: you've got a lot of time, then yes, practice a lot,

1211
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: but you cannot practice mediocrity or you're gonna be mediocre.

1212
01:12:16,479 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: Don't just go out there and fleeing arrows. And what

1213
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: happens is if you go out and shoot a hundred arrows,

1214
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: pretty soon you're just gonna be fleeing arrows. You're not

1215
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,799
Speaker 1: focused on the perfect shot. I'd much rather you shoot

1216
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 1: ten shots every other day and have those shots perfect

1217
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: shots than to practice two hundred arrows every day. So

1218
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: that's probably the difference between the two individuals you put

1219
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: on each end of the spectrum. If if okay, my

1220
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: son Levi, he wanted to be a target shooter, you know,

1221
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,959
Speaker 1: before he discovered girls when he was from thirteen to fifteen,

1222
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: and he we you know, we went to the nationals

1223
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 1: into Vegas and all the big tournaments, and Levi very

1224
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: very very good student listener. He did everything exactly like

1225
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: I told him. He never learned, he never was able

1226
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: to develop bad habits because he because I coached him

1227
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: from the very beginning, and I coached him from the

1228
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: very beginning with a you know, once he once he

1229
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: put away his recurb bow shooting with fingers just to

1230
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: watch the aero fly. And he wanted to shoot a

1231
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 1: compound bow. I put him on a hand release. The

1232
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: kids never developed a bad habit because he's never had

1233
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: the opportunity to. LEVI has killed Okay, he's twenty. By

1234
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:49,759
Speaker 1: the time he was nineteen, he had killed six book

1235
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: you know in the three plus class. Yo. It's just

1236
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: because he lives in and I was hunting with him. Um,

1237
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: he has never he has never shot. He's never missed

1238
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 1: at an animal, and he's never it's never taken. Well,

1239
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: no animal he's ever shot at has gone more than

1240
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: seventy yards. Okay. He my whole point, I'm bragging on him.

1241
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 1: He's my son. But my whole point is he and

1242
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: I are going on a carabra hunt in August. My

1243
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: whole point is he can pick up his bow because

1244
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: he has no bad habits. He will come He's coming

1245
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 1: up to Colorado here shortly, and he will pick up

1246
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: his bow and the very first shot at twenty yards

1247
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: I can guarantee it. After he hasn't shot all years

1248
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: since last honey season, his very first shot at twenty

1249
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 1: years yards will be in the yellow on a Vegas face.

1250
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: It's just phenomenal because he has no bad habits. And

1251
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: his form is perfect, and if you're capable of having

1252
01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: if if you've learned perfect form and he've not developed

1253
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: any bad habits, you don't have to practice very much.

1254
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 1: But that is not the average shooter. The average shooter

1255
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: has bad habits. It has to practice a lot. The

1256
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: more bad habits you have, the more you have to practice, because, uh,

1257
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 1: you're kind of just you're kind of just hoping for

1258
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 1: that magic and you have to kind of form that

1259
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 1: magic by practicing a lot. It's kind of like recurve shooters,

1260
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: you know that don't use sites or anything else, you

1261
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: have to practice all the time because they kind of

1262
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 1: have to get in that magic groove. If you have

1263
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: perfect form with a compound and you're using a site

1264
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: and a and a peep site, you it's kind of

1265
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: like shooting a gun. Seriously, you don't really have Like

1266
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: if I were to go rifle hunting, which I haven't

1267
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 1: done in thirty years, but if I were to go

1268
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: rifle lining, I just go to the rain, shoot three

1269
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: shots and say I'm good to go, because really there's

1270
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 1: nothing to it. If you have perfect archery shooting form,

1271
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 1: it's it's basically the same thing. There's really not much

1272
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 1: to it. You don't if you're fit, and my son

1273
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 1: is very, very fit, he's very very I was going

1274
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: to ask the fitness to be able to hold your

1275
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: bow back, like how important is the specific like archery

1276
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: muscles and keeping that set of muscles toned and in

1277
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,840
Speaker 1: good shape. And mean, I've always wondered that I'm not

1278
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,880
Speaker 1: like the super weightlifter upper body dude, I'm a runner.

1279
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: And I've always thought if I were to really get

1280
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 1: the weightlifting or doing something with that really helped me,

1281
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Speaker 1: or or is it not that important other than just

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01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,599
Speaker 1: shooting your bow? I mean, how important is that side

1283
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 1: of things? And does that factor into how accurate you

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01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:38,599
Speaker 1: can actually be down? It definitely does. Like when I

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01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: was shooting and even nowadays, when I when I was

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01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: shooting competitively, I would work on my archery muscles are

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01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 1: are are not used. Archery muscles are very specific. The

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01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 1: muscles you used to pull back the bow and hold

1289
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 1: the bow back are very specific. And and that is

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01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 1: one thing I would say about practice is saying that

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01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: that you do need to do. And when I was

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01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: shooting UM at my highest level of competition, I would

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01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 1: work on those specific muscles every other day UM and

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01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 1: even now, one of the things that I do, and

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01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: I've always done, is at the end of every practice session,

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01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 1: if I at the time, I'll pull my bow back

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01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: to exhaustion. And I'm by doing that, I'm working on

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01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: the very specific muscles that are used to pull back

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01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 1: and hold the bow. And it's very simple because you know,

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01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,719
Speaker 1: let's say I shoot thirty shots, and my average practice

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01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 1: session is about nowadays it's about thirty maybe forty shots.

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01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 1: At the end of that, I don't want to be

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01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to have to shoot so many shots

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01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: to keep my archery muscles strong and in shape that

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01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm you know, practicing mediocrity. I practice really good shots.

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01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 1: But then at the end, in order to get the

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01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 1: equivalent workout of shooting you know, say a hundred shots,

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01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: I pulled my bow back to exhaustion. What I mean

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01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 1: is my hunting bowl. I can usually pull it back

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01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty times in a row. UM. And then

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01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: once I pulled it back as many times as I can,

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01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 1: I'll hold it up for as long hold it back

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01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: and hold it up as long as I can. And

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01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 1: what that's doing is training those specific muscles. And there's

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01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,759
Speaker 1: really nothing better than that. But but but to answer

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01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,919
Speaker 1: your question, it is important. If those muscles aren't strong,

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01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: then you're gonna shake. And by having those muscles stronger

1318
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: than they need to be, um, you're you're you're going

1319
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 1: to have a much steadier shot. And also, you know,

1320
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 1: there we all get in this situation. It's not as

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01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 1: bad now that the bows have such a great let

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01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 1: off as it used to be when the bows had

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01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 1: let off. But you're gonna get in a situation where

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01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,400
Speaker 1: you draw your bow back and the deer's behind a

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01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 1: tree and he stays back there for forty five seconds,

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01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: and if your muscles aren't really really good shape, you're

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01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: gonna be shaking like a dog when he steps out. Hey, Randy,

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01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: on that, on that, No, is there a is there

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01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: sort of a counter argument there for uh not being overbowed?

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01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 1: You know? I mean, I think a lot of people

1331
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: want to get really manly with, you know, shooting seventy pounds,

1332
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: but they might be more way more comfortable and relaxed

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01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 1: shooting sixty. And it really wouldn't matter in the deer

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01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:19,800
Speaker 1: woods anyway. Absolutely, it's it's madness when I see these

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01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 1: guys shooting these really really heavy bows, because no matter

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01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 1: who you are, you you can't shoot a really really

1337
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:31,880
Speaker 1: heavy bow as well as you can a bow with

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01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:36,080
Speaker 1: a lighter draw length, a draw weight. Um and really

1339
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: especially for for white tail hunters. I mean, fifty pounds

1340
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: is plenty. But the average man, you know, the average whatever,

1341
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:47,560
Speaker 1: thirty if you're old man, can shoot sixty pounds pretty comfortably.

1342
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 1: And if you can't, you know, just a little bit

1343
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: of working out, we'll do it. But yeah, you're gonna

1344
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: get in situations where you have to hold the bow

1345
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 1: back for a long period of time, or where you're

1346
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 1: really cold and or in an awkward position and can't

1347
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: draw the bow back. So that's absolutely critical. Uh. I like,

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01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 1: I like a few of these things you've outlined here

1349
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 1: as far as what your practice sessions look like. You know,

1350
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: the work in those muscles at the end, holding back

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01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: as long as you can, drawing back as many times

1352
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 1: as you can until you until you reach exhaustion. You

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01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: mentioned blind bail shooting at the beginning and the end,

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01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: but can you elaborate on anything else to make for

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01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: this perfect practice session, because I think that was a

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01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: really key point, Like perfect practice is what we're going

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01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 1: for here. But I think what the average person does

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01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: myself included a lot of the times you fall into

1359
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: this autopilot. If you go behind the house, you're fling

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01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: yours or whatever. Your mind's kind of this place in

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01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 1: that place, and it's kind of therapeutic and fun, but

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01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,880
Speaker 1: but like you said, probably not the most effective use

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01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:51,920
Speaker 1: of your time. So other than those two things you

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01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 1: outlined and just being focused, what else can you do

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01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 1: to make for that perfect practice session? Or are there

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01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 1: any other specific exercises or drills that we can do

1367
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 1: to help us address some of the problems we spoke

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01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: For me, if I'll shoot my and this is you know,

1369
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,640
Speaker 1: a very very very few people do this, but if

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01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: you'll do it, you'll see such great rewards. And because

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01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 1: it's boring, but shooting with your eyes closed, you know,

1372
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 1: once you have good shooting form, shooting with your eyes

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01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: closed and feeling the shot is just phenomenal because you

1374
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 1: what will happen is you realize the things that you're

1375
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 1: doing wrong when you're shooting with your eyes closed and

1376
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 1: you don't even realize it. The second thing in practice

1377
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 1: is be honest with yourself and if something's going wrong,

1378
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: figure out what it is. And then be honest with

1379
01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 1: yourself about how to address it. And then you have

1380
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: to address it full on and work on it and

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01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 1: make it better. It's not going to get better all

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01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 1: on its own. Like if one day you go out

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01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 1: and then you're just occasionally getting a miss to the

1384
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 1: left and you can't explain it, figure it the hell out.

1385
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: Don't say, oh, you know, it's just probably me. Well

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01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 1: it is you, and a lot of people say it's

1387
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:12,839
Speaker 1: just me. I'm just doing something to the bow today.

1388
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: Figure out what you're doing to the bow and while

1389
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,200
Speaker 1: you're doing it, and eliminate it, and then work on

1390
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,919
Speaker 1: that in a specific practice session. Work spend your practice

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01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:27,000
Speaker 1: sessions working on your issues, on the issues that are

1392
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 1: keeping you from being a better shot. And it takes discipline.

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01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,599
Speaker 1: It takes mental discipline because shooting bow is fun. It's

1394
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 1: supposed to be fun and and and and and and

1395
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 1: it will be fun. And trust me, the better you shoot,

1396
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: the funner it is. But it takes a little bit

1397
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 1: of mental discipline. And if you don't want to do it,

1398
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 1: if you just want to shoot your boat, that's fine.

1399
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 1: But if you do want to get better, you have

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01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 1: to have mental discipline and and figure out what you're

1401
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 1: doing wrong, why you're doing it, and then figure out

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01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: a way to resolve the issue. Yeah, can you walk

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01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:02,640
Speaker 1: me through your shop process, like what it looks like

1404
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: and and maybe I'm curious if it's in any way

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01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 1: different from the practice session versus in the field, But

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01:23:09,680 --> 01:23:12,639
Speaker 1: could you walk me through like every step in your

1407
01:23:12,680 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: process and what thoughts are going through your mind and

1408
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 1: what's actually happened physically in my backyard or do you

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01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 1: want to shooting in a buck Well, I guess I'd

1410
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 1: like to know are those two different and in some

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01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 1: substantial way other than the obviously really they are. They

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01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 1: are because of what you mentioned Nelier buck fever, So

1413
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 1: let's talk about both them. Could you do that? Yeah? Well,

1414
01:23:34,320 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: in practice session is really easy. I've been shooting both

1415
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,960
Speaker 1: for so long that that it's just everything is natural.

1416
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 1: I don't even think about my shooting process to speak

1417
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: of when I'm shooting. Uh, my main thing is once

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01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 1: I've got the boat to full draw my my, my,

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01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 1: um my. I have a little mantra and I use

1420
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 1: like when I'm shooting, just on the day and and

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01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: and that is just relaxation, relaxation, relaxation, patients, patients, patients,

1422
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,120
Speaker 1: and what that's doing for me because I'm shooting. Most

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01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 1: of the time, I'm shooting the hind release. It's just

1424
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: waiting for the boat to go off and aim a name,

1425
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,759
Speaker 1: and you're just letting the pin float around the target

1426
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: and you're the relaxation part is critical. So it's relaxation patients,

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01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: aim a name, it's just letting your just aim. All

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01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 1: you're doing is aiming and remaining. What people tend to

1429
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,240
Speaker 1: do when they think of aiming and holding the pin

1430
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 1: on the spot, is they thinking of grabbing the bowl,

1431
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 1: controlling the bowl and holding it on that spot as

1432
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 1: tight as they can, uh, and shooting when the pin

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01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 1: goes by the center of the bull's eye. Well, what

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01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: I do is I try to continually think about relaxation. Now, yeah,

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01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm I don't focus really the on all the other parts,

1436
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: but I probably should go through for the listeners. Uh.

1437
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's if you want to start at the beginning,

1438
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:10,200
Speaker 1: it's putting your feet in the right position. You know.

1439
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: Typically for me it's shoulder with the part and I

1440
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: shoot with a little bit of open stance, meaning that

1441
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, my left foots a little bit away from

1442
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: that perfect line. It's way back, a little bit back

1443
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 1: from that perfect line, straight to the target. And for me,

1444
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 1: everything is naturally because I've done it. But basically it's

1445
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:33,559
Speaker 1: putting your hand. I usually try to rest the bow

1446
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: um on my leg. Put my hand, I'm my release

1447
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 1: is hooked up. I putting. I kind of put my

1448
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:43,759
Speaker 1: hand into the bow as the bow is at about

1449
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 1: a forty five degree angle, and I'm trying to find

1450
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: that sweet spot where the bow will will again get

1451
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: in that center part of those two bones of the

1452
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 1: forearm um. And it goes very naturally for me. But

1453
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: then it's it's it's lifting the bow up and I

1454
01:26:01,200 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 1: try not to sky the bow, meaning I don't lift

1455
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: the bow above, you know, above the level of the

1456
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: target much. And then pulling the bow back and and

1457
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 1: again not moving my face to the string, but bringing

1458
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: the bow straight back to the string. Anchoring. And again

1459
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:21,760
Speaker 1: be careful with that word anchoring, because it's not a

1460
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 1: rock solid anchor point, but it's a point that comes

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01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 1: back naturally and there's very little contact with skin and

1462
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 1: if if, if, if I've done that properly, my peep

1463
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,679
Speaker 1: will be right in the center of my eye and

1464
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,200
Speaker 1: and and and on the and and on the on

1465
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 1: all the and the pen will be in the center

1466
01:26:40,280 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 1: of the peep. Then I really focus on relaxing everything

1467
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:50,600
Speaker 1: and and most people don't, but it's just so important

1468
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 1: that you think. If you think about relaxing your face

1469
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 1: and relaxing your hands, the rest of your body will

1470
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:58,760
Speaker 1: follow suit. And again, what you're trying to do is

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01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: you're trying to relax all the muscles that aren't used

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01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 1: in the shop process. And I try to maintain and

1473
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 1: I again, this term really kind of bothers me. It's

1474
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 1: it's it's called back tension, but but it's not really tension.

1475
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: You don't want a lot of tension. But but the muscles.

1476
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to be holding the bow back with

1477
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: the muscles of my arm. I want to be holding

1478
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 1: the bow back with the muscles that are closest to

1479
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:30,679
Speaker 1: my spine, like the rhomboids and all the terries, miners,

1480
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 1: all the all the tiny muscles they're back there along

1481
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: your spine there they they they're much more stable than

1482
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 1: say the muscles of your arm. So I'm trying to

1483
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: hold my bow back with my back instead of with

1484
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: my arm, and it will be much more stable. And

1485
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 1: if I need to move the bow to the left

1486
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:53,920
Speaker 1: or to the right, or up and down, I don't

1487
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:58,360
Speaker 1: move my hand my my bow hand. I do it

1488
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: with my back muscles. Like I'm right handed, so I

1489
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 1: do it with the bustles of the right hand muscles

1490
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 1: of my back. I move left, right, up, down, so

1491
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 1: that my form is always perfect in the linement. I

1492
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: don't move my bow hand to to put the pin

1493
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:18,200
Speaker 1: on the target. Then I just focus on relaxation, aiming, squeezing,

1494
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:23,240
Speaker 1: and surprise release, and then follow through and follow through.

1495
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:26,679
Speaker 1: A lot of people will I think they have really

1496
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 1: good follow through when they shoot their bow and their

1497
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 1: boat doesn't even move. Now that means that they've incorporated muscles.

1498
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 1: Exactly at the moment of the shot, They've activated muscles,

1499
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: and you definitely don't want do that. You Naturally, a

1500
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 1: big part of what is holding the boat up is

1501
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 1: you holding the boat back at full draw. So naturally,

1502
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 1: when you shoot, the boat is gonna fall away. If

1503
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 1: the boat doesn't fall away and it stays in position,

1504
01:28:57,720 --> 01:29:00,479
Speaker 1: you're not following through properly. It looks like a good

1505
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: ball through, but it's not. The bowl has to fall

1506
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 1: away or you're incorporating muscles during the shot that you

1507
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 1: shouldn't incorporate, so follow through is important as well. That's uh,

1508
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:20,639
Speaker 1: that's I guess. The next question then is what does

1509
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: that look or how does that look different than in

1510
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 1: the field. You mentioned that there are some different parts

1511
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 1: there or something happening in the field. In the field,

1512
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm always talking to myself when when I draw back

1513
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: in the field that let's say, a big bock I

1514
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: I I'm telling myself my form is natural, it's just comes.

1515
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,600
Speaker 1: I don't even think about any part of my form um.

1516
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:49,920
Speaker 1: But what I do think about constantly is pick a spot.

1517
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:52,759
Speaker 1: And I know that's like the fundamental first thing everyone

1518
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:56,439
Speaker 1: learns when they're going to be a bow hunters pick

1519
01:29:56,439 --> 01:29:59,280
Speaker 1: a spot, pick a spot. But it's so important. I

1520
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 1: tell myself pick the right pen, use the right pen,

1521
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 1: use the right pen, pick a spot, pick a spot. Patience, patience, patients,

1522
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 1: I tell myself patients, because I do not want to

1523
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:14,960
Speaker 1: hurry the shot um. And and that's the biggest thing,

1524
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 1: because the thing that's going to cause you the most

1525
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 1: problems are the most mrs is if you hurry the shot.

1526
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 1: And so I want to make sure I'm using the

1527
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:29,920
Speaker 1: right pen, and I always I always range fine unless

1528
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 1: it's within you know, under thirty yards, but I will,

1529
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 1: I say, pick the right pen and put it in

1530
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: the exact right spot. Patients, patients, patients, patients, and and

1531
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: that helped me to stick with the shot to the

1532
01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:49,440
Speaker 1: very end. And that's the key. Most people miss especially

1533
01:30:49,960 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, at a at a big buck or something

1534
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: they're very excited about shooting, they missed because they hurry

1535
01:30:55,200 --> 01:31:00,160
Speaker 1: that situation. So my whole goal in in shooting at

1536
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: game animal is sticking with the shot, having patients, letting

1537
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 1: it be a surprise release. Yeah. I know you mentioned

1538
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 1: earlier that you haven't really had issues the target panic

1539
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:15,440
Speaker 1: at all, But do you ever still get physically excited?

1540
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 1: Like you know, I guess what I'm getting at is

1541
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,480
Speaker 1: some people that have issues of buck fever or excitement,

1542
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,600
Speaker 1: they talk about controlling your breathing or deep breathing or

1543
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:25,840
Speaker 1: anything like that to try to calm yourself or to

1544
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 1: try to regain control. Is there anything like that you

1545
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 1: ever do or is that even not even of need

1546
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 1: for you? Oh? No, I get extremely excited. Um. What

1547
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 1: I tell myself is and I get the same thing

1548
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 1: like it at really big tournaments, let's say a shoot off.

1549
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 1: I used to try to tell myself, Oh, no, no

1550
01:31:47,800 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: big deal, it's just this is just a just pretend

1551
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 1: like it's in the backyard. What every fiber of your being, No,

1552
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,439
Speaker 1: it's not. Knows it's not the backyard. So what I've

1553
01:31:57,479 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 1: done that really works well for me is I tell myself, yeah,

1554
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm as nervous as hell, I'm scared shitless. Excuse me

1555
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 1: for that. But basically it's I tell myself, yeah, I'm

1556
01:32:08,240 --> 01:32:10,120
Speaker 1: gonna you know, when I'm sneaking up on a buck,

1557
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: I go, man, i am gonna be a mess when

1558
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:15,760
Speaker 1: I draw back on this bow. But what I tell

1559
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:20,120
Speaker 1: myself is I'm gonna make the very best shot I can.

1560
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 1: In spite of the fact that that that you know,

1561
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 1: I'm excited as can be, and what that does from

1562
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 1: that actually kind of calms me down. I'm gonna make

1563
01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 1: the very best shot. I'm gonna be shaken. I shake

1564
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:32,240
Speaker 1: a little bit on every day I shoot at almost

1565
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 1: um and I said, yeah, I'm gonna be shaken. But

1566
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna execute the very

1567
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: best shot I can. And if you punch the trigger.

1568
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 1: You can't do that. If you get have the surprise release,

1569
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 1: you can do that. Because you're sitting there, you're thinking,

1570
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, stay with the shots, stay with the shot. Patients, patients, patients,

1571
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 1: And I'm shaking, but I'm still sticking with the shot.

1572
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 1: I Am not going to punch that trigger and screw

1573
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:02,360
Speaker 1: it up. And seems like something you've mentioned I've heard

1574
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 1: from a lot of other people too. It seems to

1575
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:09,640
Speaker 1: be a pretty consistent. AH factor in being able to

1576
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 1: handle these moments. Is that self talk? Is that that

1577
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 1: mantra or that that voice in your head that's keeping

1578
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 1: you in like you said in the shots, keeping you

1579
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,600
Speaker 1: in the moments, keeping you in control. It seems like

1580
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 1: that's not a trivial thing. No, it's well and it's

1581
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 1: it's what's really helped me because you know, I can

1582
01:33:28,360 --> 01:33:31,559
Speaker 1: look back thirty years ago when I was first trying

1583
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 1: to shoot big meal there. I would get on one

1584
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 1: a good meal there or something, and and literally from

1585
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: the time I hooked my Ronissa until the deer ran away,

1586
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember any of it. And it was like, wow,

1587
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 1: what happened? I don't know what happened. I mean, the

1588
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 1: very first six point bull I ever shot at. I

1589
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:58,800
Speaker 1: missed by two ft at twenty yards um And to

1590
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 1: this day, all I remember is the air. He was

1591
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:02,960
Speaker 1: on top of ridge and I was on top of

1592
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 1: the ridge. All I remember is the arrow sailing way

1593
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:09,160
Speaker 1: down into the canyon and me thinking what in the

1594
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 1: world just happened? And it was just a complete bucked

1595
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 1: fever blank out. And so through the years I gradually said,

1596
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and I didn't have any self talk.

1597
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 1: I I just pulled back and shot. Now, in order

1598
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 1: to keep myself present in the moment, I have to

1599
01:34:28,200 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 1: have this self talk. And my self talk is pick

1600
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 1: a spot, make sure you're the right pen. And if

1601
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 1: you're focusing on the method, on actually the the the process.

1602
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 1: If you're focusing on the end and not so much

1603
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 1: on like the process of you know, making sure your

1604
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:49,840
Speaker 1: anchors right and all that stuff, if you shot enough,

1605
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 1: that should be completely instinctual. The problem people get into

1606
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,400
Speaker 1: is the patient's part. They want that arrow gone, and

1607
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:01,439
Speaker 1: they want it gone right now because they're so much

1608
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 1: anticipation and so much stress and anxiety. You just want

1609
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 1: the moment over with. So self talk makes me stay

1610
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 1: in the moment, Okay, Okay, do you know exactly how

1611
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 1: far the dear is? Where are you gonna Okay, let's

1612
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:19,519
Speaker 1: say it's forty five yards, where are you gonna put

1613
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 1: your forty yard pan? Okay, you're gonna aim right there.

1614
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 1: And then once you're a full draw, you're seeing they're

1615
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 1: going patients, patients, patients, you know, am am, aime. And

1616
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,439
Speaker 1: then also the narrow is gone, and you know you've

1617
01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:34,639
Speaker 1: made a good shot, but you're gonna shake. You're you're

1618
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 1: never shooting at a big buck. If someone tells you, well,

1619
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,640
Speaker 1: there's been a few that I've shot at work for

1620
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:43,520
Speaker 1: some reason, I didn't shake a lot. And usually it's

1621
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 1: if they're further distances a fifty or sixty yards, um,

1622
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 1: and I have a lot of time to to get

1623
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,679
Speaker 1: everything in order. But um, you know, if it's happening

1624
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:58,000
Speaker 1: fairly quickly and they're fairly close, you're you're gonna shake,

1625
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 1: and and so you have to So, okay, I'm going

1626
01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: to be shaken. That's okay. If shaking is gonna be okay.

1627
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 1: If I execute a good shot with good form, yeah,

1628
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 1: I find that encouraging. I find encouraging that you still

1629
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,839
Speaker 1: get excited, that you still shake that you still are mortal.

1630
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 1: I think everyone listening should find that encouraging and to

1631
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:21,640
Speaker 1: know that if you can have this process though, and

1632
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: if you can execute that surprise release, it's okay to

1633
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 1: be a human. Well. And that's why that's why the

1634
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 1: a couple of severe cases that I've worked with that

1635
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:36,799
Speaker 1: really literally we're thinking about giving up boning. There's a guy,

1636
01:36:37,479 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: very very good hunt hunter that he he didn't actually

1637
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 1: call me. A mutual friend of ours called me and said, hey,

1638
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:48,160
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna just quit BONI. He's gonna start hunting

1639
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 1: with a rifle. And anyway, I talked to him and

1640
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 1: went through the whole um hind release process with him,

1641
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 1: and he completely back to normal. He's he hunts with

1642
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 1: the hinge, which is an ideal, but still he's able

1643
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 1: to execute a good shot. Uh and and and what

1644
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 1: the hinge does again is it makes you. It forces

1645
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,080
Speaker 1: you to stay in the moment. It forces you to

1646
01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:19,600
Speaker 1: stand a moment and stay with the shot till the

1647
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 1: very end. Which is why index releases are so bad

1648
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 1: is because they allow you just a second year opin

1649
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:32,719
Speaker 1: gets on that dare you you shoot? You haven't thought

1650
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:35,320
Speaker 1: about much of anything. You just want the whole process

1651
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:37,280
Speaker 1: over with, which is fine if you're twenty or thirty

1652
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 1: yards away, but it doesn't work very well, you know

1653
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:44,200
Speaker 1: on a difficult shot. Yeah, Tony, what are you get

1654
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 1: over there? Uh? Two things. I also love listening to

1655
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:52,400
Speaker 1: Randy talk about his mistakes because it makes me feel better. Randy,

1656
01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 1: I can listen to you, guys if you ever needed,

1657
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:57,679
Speaker 1: if you ever need me to make you feel better,

1658
01:37:57,680 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 1: I'll give you some psychotherapy. I'll just tell you about

1659
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:04,000
Speaker 1: almost mistake things I wouldn't dare mention on a pet podcast,

1660
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 1: and you feel so good about yourself that you're just

1661
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 1: your self esteem will be sky high. Yeah. I might

1662
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 1: need that. I might need that after last year. I

1663
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 1: love it. The other thing that I want to bring

1664
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 1: up here, Randy, because you haven't really touched on this,

1665
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 1: but you've talked a lot about rushing the shot, and

1666
01:38:23,240 --> 01:38:25,680
Speaker 1: we know, we know the anticipation is huge, and you

1667
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:29,320
Speaker 1: know it's a big part of you know, losing losing

1668
01:38:29,320 --> 01:38:31,679
Speaker 1: that ground between your ears when you when you need

1669
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 1: to just keep it together for a little bit. But

1670
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:37,639
Speaker 1: what I'm curious with you is with your like vast

1671
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 1: experience hunting a bunch of different game, and you know

1672
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 1: you killed enormous animals throughout your career. Have you just

1673
01:38:44,720 --> 01:38:46,680
Speaker 1: learned you know, like when you're talking about how you

1674
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 1: tell yourself to be patient and you're going through your

1675
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:51,120
Speaker 1: kind of pre shot routine and talking to yourself, you've

1676
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 1: also probably just learned that even when it feels like

1677
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 1: it should be a really rush situation, you almost always

1678
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:00,479
Speaker 1: have more time. Even when you're calling a bull or

1679
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: you know it's maybe a running buck that's cruising passed

1680
01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. And I think a lot of people look

1681
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 1: at that and go, man, I've only got you know,

1682
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:09,120
Speaker 1: a couple of seconds to make this happen. And if

1683
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:11,679
Speaker 1: you look at the difference between executing a bad shot

1684
01:39:11,720 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 1: in three seconds or a great shot in ten, you

1685
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 1: probably almost always have that tent. Well you just you

1686
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:20,040
Speaker 1: just said it all for me really, Um, it's a

1687
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 1: numbers game. And what I found is if if I

1688
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:32,280
Speaker 1: rushed them first of all, well I've learned this because Okay,

1689
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:34,719
Speaker 1: thirty years ago, you know, if there was a decent

1690
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:39,080
Speaker 1: bowl or a decent buck, I was just gonna shoot it. Okay,

1691
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 1: Now I spend so much time finding that one animal

1692
01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:49,920
Speaker 1: that that if he gets away it's no big deal.

1693
01:39:50,160 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a big deal. But if he gets

1694
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 1: away and I don't shoot, I'll get on him tomorrow

1695
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 1: or the next day or the next day. And back then,

1696
01:39:57,920 --> 01:39:59,760
Speaker 1: I didn't have as much time as I do now,

1697
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of needed to get things done

1698
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:04,600
Speaker 1: because I was I was working full time as an

1699
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:06,960
Speaker 1: editor and had kids and all that kind of stuff,

1700
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:09,840
Speaker 1: um and needed to get back. But now I have

1701
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 1: more time, and that's that's the luxury a lot of

1702
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 1: people don't have. But now I've I've discovered that I

1703
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:21,799
Speaker 1: am much better off waiting for a good shot and

1704
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 1: a relaxed shot, and if the animal gets away, then fine.

1705
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:30,920
Speaker 1: And I've had this happened many times. I'm you know,

1706
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:33,640
Speaker 1: and people that may be watching from a distance with

1707
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:36,360
Speaker 1: binoculars going, why in the hell didn't you sue because

1708
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 1: it wasn't perfect and and and again it's because I'm

1709
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 1: hunting one animal. But it's true, and you said it

1710
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 1: really well, it's very true that that. Okay, let's take

1711
01:40:49,920 --> 01:40:53,639
Speaker 1: a hundred situations where you think you have to shoot

1712
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:56,719
Speaker 1: within four or five seconds. Now, out of that hundreds,

1713
01:40:57,200 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 1: hundreds hundred situations, you know you're going to miss that

1714
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:05,439
Speaker 1: shot or wound the animal maybe thirty times because you

1715
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 1: brush your shot. Now, say out of those hundred times

1716
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 1: you go, Okay, I'm gonna wait for a better shot,

1717
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:15,840
Speaker 1: I would say seventy of the time, you're at least

1718
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 1: seventy percent of the time you're going to get a

1719
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:21,920
Speaker 1: better shot and a more relaxed shot, and and even

1720
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,759
Speaker 1: and the key is is even if you don't shoot,

1721
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:26,960
Speaker 1: then you're gonna get another opportunity at the animal. But

1722
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 1: if you wound him, or with these really older age

1723
01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 1: class animals, if you shoot at him and miss, you're

1724
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 1: pretty much done for a long time. So the numbers

1725
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 1: are with you in being. And you're also a more

1726
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 1: ethical bow hunter, which is really important to me, especially

1727
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:47,839
Speaker 1: as a veterinarian. You know, I don't mind harvesting an animal,

1728
01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 1: but I don't ever want to wound an animal. I

1729
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 1: do everything in my power not to wound an animal.

1730
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:58,040
Speaker 1: It's just not fair. So if you keep ethical considerations

1731
01:41:58,040 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 1: in mind, and and actually just the it's a numbers game,

1732
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 1: just a numbers game, you're much better off waiting for

1733
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 1: a better shot. You almost always are. I can't argue

1734
01:42:10,560 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 1: with that. I think, Randy, this has been phenomenal. I mean,

1735
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 1: this is this is everything I could have hoped for

1736
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 1: for an opening conversation in this series. Um, and I

1737
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 1: have I have like a physical uh just like charge

1738
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 1: right now to get out and shoot my bow. And

1739
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:32,599
Speaker 1: as we've been talking, I'm just like thinking about how

1740
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 1: great it's going to be in September on that first hunt,

1741
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:39,720
Speaker 1: having this perfect in control shot and making that come

1742
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:42,800
Speaker 1: to fruition. That's the kind of thing I'm imagining are today.

1743
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 1: It's got me want to go grab my bow right

1744
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 1: now and and just make it happen. So thank you,

1745
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 1: Thank you for this. Randy Bay, I'm gonna leave you

1746
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: with one word, and that's discipline. You have to have

1747
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 1: discipline to get better. So true, is there anything that

1748
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 1: you will want? Do you want to leave folks with

1749
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:04,760
Speaker 1: any called action? Is there anywhere you want them to

1750
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:06,720
Speaker 1: go to to to read some of your stuff for

1751
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 1: to see any of your past content or any future

1752
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,519
Speaker 1: projects or anything folks you know about? No, no, no,

1753
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:16,000
Speaker 1: I'm you know, uh no, if they there's certainly I

1754
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,280
Speaker 1: mean in in I have a calm and every issue

1755
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 1: of bo Hunter and Peterson's Bow Hunting. Uh, then I

1756
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 1: just write about shooting and life experiences. But no, there's

1757
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:27,680
Speaker 1: no call to action. Really really, if you want to

1758
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:31,360
Speaker 1: get better, to have discipline, there's so many more resources

1759
01:43:31,400 --> 01:43:34,120
Speaker 1: now than there were twenty years ago. Uh, you just

1760
01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:36,760
Speaker 1: have to be a little careful because they're they're they're

1761
01:43:37,120 --> 01:43:39,760
Speaker 1: Most of the content online is really good, but there's

1762
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:42,640
Speaker 1: some of it that's that's a little whacked. So you

1763
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:45,280
Speaker 1: have to be a little careful. Yeah, like that Tony

1764
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 1: Peterson stuff. Well, you know, he's you can't expect much

1765
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:55,280
Speaker 1: out of him, keep expectations. They didn't name they did

1766
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 1: name the magazine after him. I mean there must be something. Yeah,

1767
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:06,559
Speaker 1: and then they fired. And on that note, the perfect

1768
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:10,439
Speaker 1: way to end all podcasts by Rasing Tony, We're gonna

1769
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: we're wrap this. Thanks so much for having me. It

1770
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 1: was fun. Thanks Rand, absolute blast. Thanks Randy all right,

1771
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:20,760
Speaker 1: and that is a rap. Thank you for tuning in.

1772
01:44:21,160 --> 01:44:23,120
Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed this one as much as I did.

1773
01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:25,600
Speaker 1: Best of luck to all of you out there on

1774
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:27,640
Speaker 1: the range, because I'm sure you've got your bow in

1775
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:30,360
Speaker 1: hand here soon and you'll be out there for lions marrows.

1776
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 1: I've been doing the same thing. This is good stuff

1777
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:36,360
Speaker 1: and there's more to come this month, so get ready.

1778
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:40,840
Speaker 1: Shooting Month continue soon. Thanks for listening, and until next time,

1779
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 1: stay wired Ton