1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: with i R Radio. It's time for another almost famous podcast. 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: Today is a big day for Ashley and myself. Why well, 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: because we're here talking to you. Ben. You ridiculousness. I 5 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: enjoy it so do I. Um, thank you everybody for listening. 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: Ben has a big announcement that he's talked about a 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: little bit on social media today. Ben, you're going around 8 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 1: the world. You're basically a speaker for higher now for 9 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: corporate events for what what are you talking about? Tell us, 10 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: tell us about your new venture. Okay, well, thank you 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: for bringing it up. It's a big day. It's been working, 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: been in the works for over a year now. I 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: was encouraged to think about some I'm gonna keep this short, 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: to to think about some things that really fired me 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: up that I enjoy doing. What I found out that 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: I enjoy doing is sitting in really difficult conversations where 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 1: nuance uh special special quality. That's just not a lot 18 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: of people like to sit in uncomfortable positions. Yeah, that's 19 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: what makes you so awesome. That's what I'm hoping I 20 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: get hired some some for it. But you know, a 21 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: lot of it was based you know, right now, I'm 22 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: at a gathering of church pastors which in with in 23 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: in Colorado. There's about fifty of them here and the 24 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: whole purpose of this weekend is to just kind of 25 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: heal and rest and discuss and help kind of get 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: clarities to some issues maybe the pastors are feeling, and 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: I just get lucky enough to be invited to it. 28 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: This idea came last year when I was here. I 29 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: was like, you know, I enjoy sitting in those hard 30 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: conversations with people that maybe it's there isn't like a 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: right and wrong, but the important part is that we're 32 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: hearing people's stories, that we're listening well, that we're trying 33 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: to understand where everybody's coming from, and then you can, 34 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: you know, make your own opinion and judgment based on that. 35 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: But I think it's one of the things missing in 36 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: a very polarizing world on all big you know, umbrella 37 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: fronts right, religion, politics, culture, society. Um, how are we 38 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: functioning together if we're not listening to each other? And 39 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: so this website launched, Ben Higgins dot Com, was taken, 40 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: so I had to go with the Ben Higgins dot com, 41 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: which feels very self, but we know it's not. It 42 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: was the closest thing to it. And we're gonna be 43 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: launching a talking series called Come Sit with Me, where 44 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: I'm hoping to go into corporate events and churches and 45 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: schools and just sit with people so that they are heard, 46 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: listen to and feel less alone, and that I can 47 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: just get to be a part of those conversations and 48 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: maybe help guide and and direct so that some good 49 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: fruit is coming from him. So it launched today. You 50 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: can go visit the website. I'd really love for you too, 51 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: and I'm very excited about it. Well, congratulations Ben. It 52 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: sounds like in Plaine Site UM is going on tour. Yeah, 53 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: because it never did because of COVID. COVID rushed my 54 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: book Dreams. So um we did well with the book, 55 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: you know, considering not fantastic UM. But now it's bringing 56 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: what we wrote about Alona Plaine Site yet too different 57 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: people groups to helpfully bring people together, to listen more, 58 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: and to leave. I'm hoping people leave no matter what 59 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: space we're doing this in, encouraged to continue, uh and 60 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: to continue well in a healthy way, causing less pain 61 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: than they do healing well. There's no one I can 62 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: think of that's a better listener. I feel like everybody 63 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: has that story of when they first meet you, well 64 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: they're just like, oh my gosh, I've never met somebody 65 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: who's just so engaged and you could tell which is 66 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: actively listening and making eye contact, Like I've just never 67 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: met somebody like that, like on the first meeting, to 68 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: seem so interested in my life because I am, and 69 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: I think that's a cool thing. And I used to 70 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: cover that up and kind of suppress it and be like, oh, yes, 71 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: isn't that what we're supposed to do? No, you know 72 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: what I'm I'm confident now that that is something that 73 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: I've been gifted with and it's a skill set because 74 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: I really am curious about people in their stories and 75 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: where they come from and why they are the way 76 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: they are and why they believe what they believe and uh, 77 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: And it's just gotten more over time as I've been 78 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: in touch with more people who maybe don't believe the 79 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: same things I believe, became more curious to hear why 80 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: and a lot of times it makes sense. And like 81 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: we say on this podcast, Ashley, you know, I've said 82 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: it many times before, it's really hard not to like 83 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: somebody when you get to know somebody. So that's what 84 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: this is all about. And that's kind of what's been 85 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: fun about Almost Famous is we've gotten to get to 86 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 1: know a lot of people who have been very critical 87 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: of something. Yes, and they were like, gosh, dang it, 88 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: I like them. I even said, did I said tell 89 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: us to you that when I met Aaron, Like to 90 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: his face, I said on TV, I didn't like you 91 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: like you look at you're always looking for a five, 92 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: You're always angry. It's like, I'm Aaron, I'm angry, and 93 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: in real life you're totally different. But I do think 94 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: that he's coming across on this season more of the 95 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: way that he is real life. He's like way more 96 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: of a jokester. And this there's this one part I'm 97 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: not sure if it's an episode one or two of 98 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: this week, but he's talking about delicious, like what is 99 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: it like nectar? That's sweet nectar? Well, if you guys, 100 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: if you're listening, is it? Yeah? And I think there 101 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: was episode one it was and it was so funny. 102 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: That's like true Aaron. Okay, well let's dive into the 103 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: episode right after this break. Okay, we start off with 104 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: everybody being super sad and depressed about Rodney leaving and 105 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: having his heart crushed. It's like morning in Paradise. M 106 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: Oh you are, And I mean can I'll say this, Actually, 107 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: I thought it was way overdone. I mean, I get 108 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: I believe that Rodney has had this impact on all 109 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 1: the people's lives. At this deep level. I think he's 110 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: a tremendous dude. I'm not taking anything away. It was 111 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: over kill, But fifteen minutes of this episode where people 112 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: being sad about Rodney leaving, it was way overblown. I've 113 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: never again if this is the impact that he has 114 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: on people by being around him on a beach, I 115 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: just want to sit in Rodney's presence to feel that 116 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: same love, you know. I just want to feel the 117 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: love that he's exuding from himself because he had people 118 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: a mess. Yes, everything was genuine, do you know what 119 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: I mean? Like they were truly feeling that way, but 120 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: we didn't have to see all the depression. It was 121 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: like a little bit like WHOA. But I will say 122 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: the part where Brandon is talking to Serene is super 123 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: adorable because he was like just having one of those 124 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: moments where he was appreciating her so much, and like 125 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: the fact that he's so lucky that he hasn't had 126 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: his heartbroken and he has this angel and he's just 127 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: the cutest little munchkin. Isn't he the sweetest and so 128 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: emotional and like so romantic. His heart is so broken 129 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: for his friend. Yeah, he's the sweetest. That relationship is 130 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: the sweetest. I will make a statement though, and say 131 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: that he is the sweetest because he's so in love. Like, 132 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: I think he's probably a great dude off this show. 133 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: I think he's very kind and consider he's very very romantic. 134 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: But we're loving him. Why because we get to see 135 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: this dude just fall head over heels for somebody and 136 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: we're seeing what she brings out in him and what 137 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: he brings out in her. But he's the sweetest cause 138 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: easy for him right now, I mean he's just I mean, 139 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: there's just rainbows and butterflies. It is easy. But we 140 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: even know how Sweetie is when he gets broken up 141 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: with with Michelle, Like he may throw rings into the ocean, 142 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: but he still handles it with sensitivity. I think he's 143 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: a great dude. Okay, So now we go to like 144 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: the juice, right, we have Eliza flying to Baltimore from 145 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: Porto Vierta to surprise Justin at his door, which he 146 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: just arrived home, like, I can't even imagine that it 147 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: was more than like twenty four hours before she gets there, 148 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: his bags are still unpacked. He's surprised but not necessarily 149 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: happy to see her, and we quickly find out why 150 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: he's really not down for the fact that he was 151 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: second choice. I am a little bit torn in this situation. 152 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: I don't think he was second choice. I don't know 153 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: that he even thinks that. Do you think that he 154 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: thinks his second choice or do you think that it's 155 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: more like you didn't have the guts to just go 156 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: forward with me. My my opinion is that he wasn't 157 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 1: his enduror as he bled on. And there's that because 158 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: if they're a person that you are so head over 159 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: heels for comes begging at your door, you're going to 160 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: be happy and take them back, especially twenty four hours later. 161 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: And she explains that she felt pressured and that she 162 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: explains you know why she did what she did if 163 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: he was as in Okay, let's reverse corpse. Let's role 164 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: play for a second, so it happens in reverse order. 165 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: She chooses Justin realizes Rodney is the one flies home 166 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: to see Rodney. How Rodney reacts to her showing up 167 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: at his door completely elated, like a little hesitant, but 168 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: mostly elated. Yeah, I mean Justin, Justin did not seem down. Uh. 169 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: And I'm sure it does hurt to be second choice, 170 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: and I'm sure it doesn't feel good and that he 171 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,719 Speaker 1: is looking but uh, I just read, and this is 172 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: my opinion. I don't have any concrete facts to this. 173 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: I read in that conversation that he wasn't that disappointed 174 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: to be home, and that he maybe wasn't as interested 175 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: uh in pursuing Eliza like we all thought he was. 176 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 1: But we're judging it off of the Rodney reaction. We're 177 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: judge this off of how much in love he was 178 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: and how torn up he was, and how torn up 179 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: the beach was. That Rodney isn't with Eliza still, and 180 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: so I think we just saw a very drastic difference 181 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: where Rodney was. This is my wife and Justin's like, 182 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: I would have loved to keep trying to make it 183 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: work in paradise, but it didn't work in paradise, and 184 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: so now we're all moving on and I'm good with that, 185 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: and I hope you are too, which is a very 186 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: different perspective than Rodney had about Eliza. I think that 187 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: that night, that Rose ceremony night, she wanted to pick 188 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: Justin and there there's no second choice about this. She 189 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: just felt so much peer pressure and can you blame her? 190 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: Look at the peer pressure that was like that, Look 191 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: at the the reaction that the crowd had. How are 192 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: you supposed to disappoint people like that? Then? Like, not 193 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: only are you maybe disappointing a whole bunch of other people, 194 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: but you're also saying you're also worried that they're going 195 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: to be like, oh, there's the dumbass who chose Justin 196 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: over Rodney. Like you don't want to wake up the 197 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: next morning, go to the pool and then be like, oh, 198 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: there's the girl that made the massive mistake, Like what 199 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: is she thinking? I think that's what they would think. Yeah, 200 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: we said it last week, Like I I feel for 201 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: Eliza here. Yeah, I think she was almost a no 202 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: win situation because she was interested in both people. She 203 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: made it a choice that she felt like it was 204 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: best for her, but also, uh, you know when you 205 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: make a big choice in life, Typically people rely on 206 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: their friends and their family to help bring clarity, and 207 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: her friends were all telling her very obvious, you should 208 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: choose the man that wants to marry you. So she did. 209 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: Didn't work out. I was surprised that Justin didn't welcome 210 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: her back in with open arms. Do we do we 211 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: villainize him for this? I want to know what the 212 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: fans were thinking on Twitter last night, or on any 213 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: social media, But the fans annoyed at him because I 214 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: don't think there's any reason to be annoyed at him. 215 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: I think that it's just a very unfortunate overall situation. 216 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: Do you think that she regrets not hanging around and 217 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: giving Rodney more of a chance. I think ultimately it's 218 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: a win, win win. I think she pursued what she wanted. Yeah, 219 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: I think it was a lose at first. I think 220 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: it turns into a win because Justin is then at 221 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: this point clearly stating his intentions and feelings for Eliza. 222 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: I do don't. I don't think we villainize him. I 223 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: do wonder though, since he his friends with so many 224 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: of the guys in the beach, and he knew how 225 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: Rodney felt about Eliza, why he stuck around if he 226 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: wasn't completely and utterly in love and sold out with 227 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: Eliza saying, this is my human, this is my person. 228 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: Knowing that his buddy was feeling that way, why do 229 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: you stick around and try to step in between that? 230 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: That would be the only thing I'm wondering about. What what? 231 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: What decisions he made? But Rodney gets clarity because he 232 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: realizes the person that he was in up with maybe 233 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: doesn't feel the same about him. Eliza gas clarity because 234 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: now she's single. Yes, I hate that she's felt pain 235 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: on both sides of this now and then Justin Justin 236 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: is able to move on with his life. Uh, And 237 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: I think ultimately it's gonna work out great for all 238 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: of them. I just think watching it was hard. I 239 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: do wonder if I had a question for Justin, it 240 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: would be why did you stick around knowing how deeply 241 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: your buddy felt about this person and that there was 242 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: a potential that that person felt the same way about him? 243 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: What were you doing on the beach? That's a really 244 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: interesting way of thinking about it, because I didn't think 245 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: about in that way. But I did think when he 246 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: didn't take her back that he did it because he 247 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: didn't want he he likes his friend Rodney more than 248 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: he likes her. Well, that could be too, I mean 249 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: that's not a bad thought. We don't know, but that's 250 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: another theory, right that he's thinking. No, I know how 251 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: this played out with my buddy obviously probably crushed him 252 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: and I can't. However, However, if you're really being a 253 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: good guy, really really, then you leave the beach and 254 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: you say I'm not here. I I don't have strong 255 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: enough feelings to stick around for you and to make 256 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: like this whole she again, or when you do get 257 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: let go like he did. Right before you get in 258 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: the car, you say, hey, I think this is the 259 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: best thing for you, Like you know, you give that 260 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: reassurance before you leave. So I'm going home, and I 261 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: do believe this is the right thing. I think this 262 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: is this is something that's gonna be great for you 263 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: and great for Rodney. And I'm sad because I did 264 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: have feelings for you and I do think you're amazing. 265 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: But you made the right decision. Yeah, you could have said, 266 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: I wonder, well, we get could go on and on 267 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: about the eye wonders here, but I do wonder if 268 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: he had one of those left the bachelor bubble births 269 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: where he was like, oh, got on the plane. Okay, 270 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 1: I liked her. I liked her, but I didn't see 271 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: her as my wife. I don't even know if I 272 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: saw her as a long term girlfriend, but I was 273 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: like really into her, attract her in this In the 274 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: US wondering stage, I wonder why the show doesn't give 275 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: us I t M s with the in these situations 276 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: that ask these questions, give us clarity. Justin sit down 277 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: and I t M tell us what was going through 278 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: your head, why you ultimately made this decision? Why don't 279 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: you leave the beach early? Tell us everything so that 280 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: we aren't wondering, give us clarity. That's why they have 281 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: reunion shows. Okay, fair enough, I don't. I don't I 282 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: love sitting in tough situations and walking through stuff with people. 283 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: That would be when I'd be like, there's a lot 284 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: of the there's a lot of emotion in this one, 285 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: which isn't always fun too to be a part of. Well. Actually, 286 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: then after these two big storylines, obviously um the Rodney 287 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: monologue of tears that everybody seems to be feeling, and 288 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: then Justin and Aliza break up, we move into some 289 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: more smaller issues, um in my opinion, and some things 290 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on. The whole rest 291 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: of the episode is like small issues in my point 292 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: of view. Yeah, but there are some things I want 293 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: to bring out to you and get your opinion on. 294 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: The big one is we sell people showing up to 295 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: the beach and what what the heuck? Like? What what's 296 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: the point? Okay, so you've been to Paradise, You've been 297 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: to Paradise this year, You've been behind the scenes. You 298 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: know how the show flows and functions. From a from 299 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: a producer's perspective, from a show's perspective, why do they 300 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: still have people showing up to the beach right now? 301 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: I think it's because it was such a long season 302 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: that they needed to fill up, honest But from my 303 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: point of view, when I was down there during week two, 304 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: which is a long time ago now, I thought that 305 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: they weren't going to be bringing in people late, and 306 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: that the whole switcheroo thing was going to take the 307 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: place of people coming in late, the girls going to 308 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: the hotel. I thought it was gonna be dragged out 309 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: more in just one week. I'm yeah, I mean I 310 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: think that would have worked. Now I'm confused with the 311 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: switcher Ruth thing. I do think that filming episode. I 312 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: think it's it's already interrupted. But it's like a whole 313 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: different season to me. Like that season when like Lace 314 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 1: was there and Jill was there, that was good times. 315 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: Now we're just like a whole new like a lot 316 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: of new cast. How long does it feel that Teddy 317 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: was there? Oh my god, a year ago. It doesn't 318 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: seem like I mean, I was wondering if she was 319 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: even on this season. It's been so long. Well, she 320 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: goes in. We we get Teddy drama later in this 321 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: week's episode. So you guys listening to this episode one 322 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 1: know that this is definitely a topic of conversation and 323 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 1: episode two. Yeah, but it just feels like forever. I mean, 324 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: there's just a lot, uh, a lot of people that 325 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: have came on the beach, came off the beach, coming 326 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: back on the beach, splitting up the beach. Now we 327 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: still people showing up as engagements are upon us. In 328 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: the next couple weeks here, people still showing up, and 329 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: it's really awkward for these people because they're showing up 330 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: to a beach full of couples, like there's an even 331 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: number of girls and guys this week, uh entering in 332 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: and they're still girls showing up to the beach only 333 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: there to steal a man. This is when it should stop. 334 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: The whole entrances is when they have to break up 335 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: a couple in order to um go on a date. 336 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: Sometimes that it happens that the person isn't even able 337 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 1: to find a date, which is super embarrassing. But also 338 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: if you're breaking up a couple at this point, we're 339 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: not even it's not even that dramatic because the couple 340 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: obviously wasn't strong enough to still be around. Yeah, it's not. 341 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we do have a little drama 342 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: with some later rivals when it comes to Mara and 343 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: it comes to n Z and those, You know that 344 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: that does shake it up a bit. But I'm more 345 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: intrigued at this point in the season with making the 346 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: couples that still exist asked those big questions. You know. 347 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: That leads us so well into the conversation between Victoria 348 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: and Johnny. He's just now revealing to her that there's 349 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: a lot of family drama going on. Um, his mom 350 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: is in a super stressed out situation. I don't know 351 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: how their marriage is going, but they they're dealing with 352 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: his brother being in prison, and how is she How 353 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: are they just having this conversation now after knowing each 354 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: other for like three weeks. I think it's fair you do, okay, yeah, 355 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: because he said it. Even when he told her, He's like, well, 356 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: I said this, and now the whole world will know. 357 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: I think it's very kept to his heart, in a 358 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: very secret thing, and I'm sure many times he's wanted 359 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: to tell her. I don't think it's a Victoria Johnny problem. 360 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: I think he's probably stopped himself, going, this isn't really 361 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: my business to expose to the world yet. And at 362 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: some point then he's gotten so comfortable on the beach. 363 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: It feels like they've been there for so long that 364 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: this just felt like he had to tell her now 365 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: or a lot of what he's going on behind the 366 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: scenes doesn't make sense. I'm assuming though, for the first 367 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: three weeks he's just held it close to chest because 368 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: it's a very personal issue and it's not it involves him, obviously, 369 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: because it's his family, but it's not his it's not 370 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: necessarily his story to tell. And uh and I'm I'm 371 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: also assuming that when he went on Paradise, you know, 372 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: there were some probably people around him they're like, hey, 373 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 1: if you can, please don't talk about this too much. 374 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: I think I worded it wrong. Definitely understand why he 375 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't say like my brothers in prison that early on 376 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: because of the television point of view. Yeah, but it's 377 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: how the conversation started, which felt were to me because 378 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: Johnny's like, I can see my dad really liking you. 379 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: Victoria said, my dad would really like you, and then 380 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: they kind of like start talking about each other's like 381 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: dad's and then talking about the family as if they 382 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: haven't talked about like describe what your relationship is with 383 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: your family yet. Or maybe it's just like a reiteration 384 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: of it which is very very much like that. It 385 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,239 Speaker 1: could be it could be that. Yeah, I think you're right. 386 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm looking into it. Maybe my initial response was 387 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: to like, harsh, I just don't think it's weird. I 388 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: think it very much makes sense on why it's happening now, 389 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 1: and um, I'm surprised to happen at all. I don't think, 390 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's a bad I think I get why 391 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: because they're getting close enough, and the ends apo upon 392 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,640 Speaker 1: them and they're having more serious conversations about what life 393 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: looks like post show. I'm wrong, I'm wrong, You're right. No, 394 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: this is so true. Thank you for like kind of 395 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: like showing me the light on that there's like a 396 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: lot of people that aren't and and and the way 397 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: that they brought that up it was like, oh, you know, 398 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: my dad will really like you if he meets you 399 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: type thing, which is different than like, this is my 400 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: family dynamic. I have a mom and a dad and 401 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: they live here. And I says termed al blah blah, 402 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: and they live here. It's different than like saying like, 403 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: my dad would really like you. And then like going 404 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: into the personality traits is so yeah, I understand you 405 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: been again. Final thing. I mean, I think the biggest 406 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: thing that happens now with the rest of the episode 407 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: that we need to discuss before moving on the headlines 408 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: is n C showing up with all the people showing 409 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: the beach. She seems to be the one that shaken 410 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: stuff up the most because Justine and Andrew are splitting, 411 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: and n C is taking Andrew on a day, and 412 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: so we get to see this day between the two 413 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: of them. I've never I can sit this now and 414 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: and feel really good about it. Um, so it probably 415 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: will come off very um illegitimate, But uh, I've never 416 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: felt Andrew and just sinya like I just don't does 417 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: it's ever like felt like a couple that that had 418 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: the depth that maybe some of the other couples didn't understand. 419 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: It wasn't shocked. I was surprised that he did go 420 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,960 Speaker 1: on another date with somebody else. Um, but and Cee, 421 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: you know, comes, she's new, she's exciting, and uh, and 422 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: they go on their date. It seems to go well. 423 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: Obviously an episode two this week, we'll talk more about this, 424 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: But I guess my my question to you actually is 425 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: were you shocked that Andrew said yes to this day 426 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: and just leaving just send you on the beach. No, 427 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: Andrew has definitely been around for a while because I 428 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: think every he's just such a likable person. But I 429 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: don't think that like we've ever felt like, oh man, 430 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: this relationship is going to lead somewhere serious with him. 431 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: But he's really nice to have their episode in Gabby 432 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: and Rachel are showing up to the beach. The two 433 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: pass Bachelorrets show up. It's a little cliffhanger, a lot 434 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: of shot faces, a lot of surprised faces, Ashley, If 435 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: Chris Soul showed up to the beach on your season 436 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: and you're sitting on the bench with Jared, let's say 437 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: the season after, like a couple of months after, would 438 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: it feel awkward for you? Um? No, not in the 439 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: case that Chris were to come on our season, because 440 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: one time would have passed more time than the Bachelorette 441 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: season seeing their guys. So these guys are seeing their 442 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: bachelorettes about a month or so after they left them, 443 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: so it is still fresh. And then obviously I had 444 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: way stronger feelings for Jared than Chris, so it wouldn't 445 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: have been phased me. But I totally understand like a 446 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: little like a heart surge, you know, like a little 447 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: little electricity or your body and be like, oh God, 448 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I feel nervous. Now. If Caitlyn 449 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: were to have shown up the beach when Jared was 450 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: there during our first season, all hell would have broken loose. 451 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: See I uh, I mean I remember the uh was 452 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: after the final rose. I think I was at I 453 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: was so embarrassing. Yeah, and I saw Caitlin, and I 454 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: remember just being really excited. So I was I can't relate. 455 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: Maybe because Caitlin I ended on such good terms, very 456 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: clear terms. Um both had like that moment to discuss, 457 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,479 Speaker 1: and I knew it was best for her and I 458 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: believed it was going to be best for me. So 459 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: there wasn't like any like Harvard feelings or resentment, but 460 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: I I just was excited to see her. Really, no 461 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: heart flutter, no heart flutter, come on, now, I had 462 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,680 Speaker 1: a heart flutter when Christal is gone stage. I didn't 463 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 1: expect it. Yeah, he's a good looking film. Yeah that's 464 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: I was just like, wow, he's really hot. Yeah, I 465 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: mean Caitlin. Caitlin and I just ended so well and 466 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: and so clearly, like we knew how we felt about 467 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: each other, Like Caitlin will always be somebody in this 468 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: world that I respect and I care about out and 469 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 1: I'm so happy that I've gotten to meet you. Didn't 470 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: get dropped in the bad Lands and then helicoptered off. Yeah, No, 471 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: I had that moment, And so maybe a little different Ashley. 472 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: The first episode of this week, Something's happening, A lot 473 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: of things not happening, another kind of slow episode. To me, uh, 474 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: doesn't feel like we progressed very far in any relationship. 475 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like we got to know some of 476 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: these relationships any better. Obviously, a lot of the episode 477 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: was taken up with the Eliza Justin and Rodney situation. Uh, 478 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: and we obviously discussed that. But episode one made me 479 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: h intrigued for episode two because I feel like if 480 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: they're if we're counting, each week is a is a game. 481 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: They have to hit a lot of home runs in 482 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: episode two to get fans, you know, excited about the 483 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 1: finales here and as somebody who has seen episode two, 484 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: we can tell you that the episode two is the 485 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: wild one this week. So many fun, so many moments, 486 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: talk about we'll do that in the next episode. But 487 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: before we do move on to headlines, I think we 488 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: should mention Mara because Mark comes in, she takes um 489 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: just In the twin on a date, and then he 490 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: basically just leaves her. I don't want to leave the 491 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: episode without talking about Mara because I actually think she 492 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: had a ton of screen time. Her screen time just 493 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: happened to end up with like pointlessness. Yeah, I was 494 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: gonna say, I mean, she had a ton of screen time. 495 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: She wasn't a date, she was a storyline. But you 496 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 1: know she comes and goes and there's nothing that happens, 497 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: Like there's no there's no juice, there's no breakups. There's 498 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: nothing but a date in us, some time together and 499 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: some more eating food off of each other. I mean, 500 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: the twins really walked into like an ideal situation because 501 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: they're like late enough for there the two most single dudes, 502 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: and now they're going to get the attention from anybody 503 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: comes on the beach um. So I don't I think 504 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: I think they just are finding I think those two 505 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: will well you've Paradise feeling like they hit the lottery, 506 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,439 Speaker 1: like they had the best time ever. Those guys, Like 507 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: I know, I said it from the get go when 508 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: they were announced, but I thought that they were going 509 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: to be like Pete Davidson, like like just these hilarious 510 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: brose that like had all this, all these good snappy lines, 511 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: and they are. They're even keeled, and they're coming on 512 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: the show tomorrow, so you'll see if we can get 513 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: some more funniness out of them, because they're far more 514 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: serious than we expected, or I expected far more serious 515 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: Pride than the show expected. All right, Ashley, It's time 516 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: for headlines Bachelor Nation Headlines with our resident expert, Ashley 517 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: I Connettie resident expert, the first Headlinne is this the 518 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: Bachelor's Peter Webber and Kelly flannagain enjoy romantic cruise after 519 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: rekindling relationship that scording to people, guys, I want to 520 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: go on this cruise they have sold me. I am influenced. 521 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: We all know if you've listened for a while. I'm 522 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: a huge cruiser, love cruises with my family, vacation for 523 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: like twenties three years, haven't been for four years, have 524 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: never been on a celebrity cruise, but their documentation of 525 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: their cruise makes me want to try celebrity so bad. 526 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: I already wanted it to be the next cruise line. 527 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: I tried out as an adult because it's very much 528 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,239 Speaker 1: an adult cruise line. But they lost Loically if they 529 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: had the best time ever, We're happy for him. Well. 530 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: Madison Pruitt shares honeymoon photos with Grant Trout from Mexico. 531 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: The quote is still not over it disaccording to people. Yeah. 532 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: On her Instagram stories, basically did a carouselt of like 533 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of places that they hit when they 534 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: went to Los Cabos to Mexico. Um, she says in 535 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: the caption best Honeymoon with my husband, All caps still 536 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,239 Speaker 1: not over it. Um. You know they're kissing, they wear 537 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: bathing suits, there's an infinite a poor pool. It's like 538 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: all the things that you expect to see on a honeymoon. 539 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: Instagram carousel. Um, there's a heart shaped candle around the beach. 540 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: And then she also recently talked about choosing the location 541 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: of Dallas, Texas and the fact that they had four 542 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,239 Speaker 1: hundred friends and family there because she knew would be 543 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: the place that most people at their attending their wedding 544 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: would be from. And also it's kind of like a 545 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: central location. It's also unique and special to us because 546 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: like that's their home now. She also always wanted to 547 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: get married in the fall and always wanted a short engagement. 548 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: She said it could not be more perfect the way 549 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: things have gone down. Well, speaking of the invite list, 550 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: the final headline of the day speaks about somebody that 551 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: wasn't invited to the wedding. Natasha Parker jokes Bachelor's Peter 552 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: Webber was not allowed that Madison pru It's wedding. The 553 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: quote is we would have kicked him out. This according 554 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: to Last Weekly. Well, hilariously, his girlfriend Kelly was there, 555 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: but yeah, he just was not on the invitation, which 556 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: totally respectable. Those invitations definitely went out before they were 557 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: a public couple. Again, right right then, you got an 558 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: invitation when you do such a quick engagement, how many 559 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: weeks did you get notice? Normal, it's probably two months 560 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: before the wedding. Oh really? Okay, so like they basically 561 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: picked a date before, like right away. The date was 562 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: probably already planned before he like got down on one knee. Anyway, 563 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: let's get back to the sort of joke here. Natasha 564 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: said that Peter was not there. No, he was not allowed. 565 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: We would have kicked him out. Um, Maddie's wedding was amazing. 566 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: She married her prince charming. Let's just say she is 567 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: no longer of virgin and were very happy for her. 568 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 1: That is what Natasha had to say for um, you know, 569 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: on on that wedding. My goodness, Uh hey, I lied. 570 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: We have breaking news, a breaking headline. It's not as 571 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: stilly breaking news, but it is a breaking headline coming 572 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: through about Gabby and Eric Ashley. You haven't sent over 573 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: to you in our podcast portal, Please let everybody know 574 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: what this headline says and what is going on in 575 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: there relationship or lack thereof. Well, we basically knew last 576 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: week that it was over over, even though Jesse Palmer 577 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: wants to make it seem like they may have been 578 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: working through things. We had our producer Hannah have friends 579 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,239 Speaker 1: who saw Eric out and about at a bar in 580 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: Santa Monica and he definitely was looking like a single man. 581 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: And now Gabby is confirming it to us, saying, the 582 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: end of our relationship happened because we weren't completely in 583 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: step and in sync with each other in our common 584 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: goals or just the way that we approach life. Um, 585 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: we were in each other's best match. Despite the split um, 586 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: she says that she's so grateful that her dad and 587 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: her step mom um are basically role models for her 588 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: in a relation ship. She wants some like a relationship 589 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: that has the values that they have, and she also 590 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: wants a channel that kind of everlasting love into some 591 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: of the dances that she's doing on Dancing with the Stars. Now. 592 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: It is uh, it is unfortunate news. It does feel 593 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: I remember Shan Loe once told me that Dancing with 594 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: the Stars choosing to do it, uh is a very 595 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: difficult thing for relationship coming off the show, and so 596 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: it does not shock me. I would say that, you know, 597 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: this ended during Dance with the Stars because from everybody 598 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: I know, so a big time commitment. Um, there's a 599 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: lot going on, a lot of time apart. So I'm 600 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: very impressed with like Jason and Caitlin for making it 601 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: as Caitlyn one. Uh, you know, they found ways to 602 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: make this work amongst the craziness of the show. So 603 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: it is difficult, that's so true. But that being said, 604 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: they would have broken up anyway. And she did make 605 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 1: this statement on Dancing with the Stars last night, we 606 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: should mention that, yeah, well she's still on it. Go 607 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: vote for Gabby. But until next time, which is very soon. 608 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: This has been the Almost Famous podcast. This is episode 609 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: one of this week. It's another one of those long 610 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: drawn out weeks of Bachelor in Paradise. But until next time, 611 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: I've been Been, I've Been Ashley followed the Benn and 612 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio or subscribe 613 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: wherever you listen to podcasts.