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Speaker 1: multiple pieces. All that was nasty right there? Rights the

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Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who covered the teams.

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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by Fota Baker like

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Speaker 1: a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I scared

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Speaker 1: of nobody. Here's Paul CALVICI, you know, if people are

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Speaker 1: wandering out there, and I don't know if this is

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Speaker 1: actually been a question to the mailbag officially, but I'll

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Speaker 1: get to the mailbag in a minute. In fact, the

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Speaker 1: mailbag is part of this initial question. It's a question

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Speaker 1: with multiple choice in a way. How exactly do Darren Urban,

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Speaker 1: Kollergarden poly Podcasts get a podcast that's now listen to

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Speaker 1: internationally apparently? How exactly does this happen? And I would

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Speaker 1: just counter by saying, before trying to I don't know

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Speaker 1: dignify this podcast with our credentials, I would just cite

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Speaker 1: have you seen anything else that's going out there across

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Speaker 1: the landscape. I walked into a gas station the other

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Speaker 1: day and they were selling bitcoin. If you can buy

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Speaker 1: bitcoin in a convenient store, gas station, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: If Darren can get a mailbag letter from Slovakia, If

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Speaker 1: the GM of the Titans can pull off a trade

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Speaker 1: for Julio Jones from his pontoon boat on a lake,

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Speaker 1: If the OC of the Ravens, Greg Roman says that

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that a little bit later. If Carlo's Dunlap,

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Speaker 1: a defensive end can now wear number eight, Kyle, I

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Speaker 1: mean stop me here at some point, Okay, If all

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Speaker 1: these things. If Michael Gallop of the Dallas Cowboys can

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Speaker 1: see anybody stopping us this year, then you know what,

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Speaker 1: You're darned. Two. We can have Cardinals underground every week,

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. Are you offering me your stash of bitcoin?

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Speaker 1: Is that what's going on here? If you got some

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Speaker 1: bitcoin land around, it's worthless, Paul. Just hand it over

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything. If you haven't caught up on the news,

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Speaker 1: Just send it over. I'll get rid of it. I'll

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Speaker 1: You haven't seen my track record with the sec in

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Speaker 1: Wall Street. The government will come after that bitcoin like

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Speaker 1: they just did those criminals in the pipeline. So if

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Speaker 1: long because my reputation will precede me over here. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: those are just some of the happenings out there on

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Speaker 1: that really happened. I mean we the mail bag is international, Paul,

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Speaker 1: and I've gotten lots of letters from all over the globe.

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Speaker 1: By the way, should we catch Darren up since he

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Speaker 1: wasn't here last week? Um, you were one of the

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Speaker 1: we came up with some Paul prop bets. H Kyle,

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Speaker 1: You know he basically shot most of them down. But Kyle,

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Speaker 1: what did you say when I posed the prop bet

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Speaker 1: Ron Wolflee on the Big Red Rage immediately said yes

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Speaker 1: darned too, Niam. I mean, you don't know how you

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Speaker 1: Darren listened to Cardinals Underground last week. I actually did

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Speaker 1: did you bring us back any fish tacos from Mission Beach? No? No, okay,

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Speaker 1: would think four or five. Yeah. So if you have

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00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler, Byron Murphy locks after that, you have four

426
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: guys for two spots, four guys for three spots. If

427
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: you want to do the math between the young guys

428
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 1: Tay Gowen and Marco Wilson and now dark was Denard

429
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 1: and Robert Alford. So you're gonna to me, when you're

430
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 1: talking about the most hotly contested position group in camp.

431
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: Off the top of my mind, you're gonna have a

432
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 1: hard time beating corner here. Here's here. I would also

433
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: say this when you start doing the numbers, and it's

434
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 1: so early when we start talking about numbers, but I

435
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: would also say this that, and I would lean towards

436
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: take Gallen. But you've got two young cornerbacks. I mean,

437
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 1: I just there's a part of me saying, maybe you

438
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: do keep a sixth if you're thinking that six guys

439
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: a red shirt quote unquote red shirt guy who you're

440
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 1: afraid he's not going to make it through waivers to

441
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: the practice squad, so you might keep that extra guy

442
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: knowing that we might have to play a little bit

443
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: with spot number fifty two. And the other thing too

444
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: is don't forget you have a little bit of leeway there,

445
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: because it does there. We are trending toward the ability

446
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: for teams to again bring up two guys every weekend

447
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: from the practice squad to play, which means you have

448
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more leeway to keep it one guy

449
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: like they did with Eno Benjamin last year, who they

450
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily think was going to make it through to

451
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: the practice squad, but they really never had any intention

452
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: of probably making him active, so they just kept him

453
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 1: on the active roster all year, or what they did

454
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: with DJ Humphreys a few years ago. So I wouldn't

455
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: rule out a sixth cornerback on the active roster because

456
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: you have a little bit more ability to hide him

457
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: as it were that way. But a lot of times

458
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 1: those last corner, last safety, last linebacker. It's strictly a

459
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: special teams move more so than what position you play,

460
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: because we've seen, you know, four safeties and sometimes we've

461
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: seen six, depending on who's playing special teams. Like Charles

462
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: Washington is a safety, but he's a special teams guy,

463
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: and that's just kind of the position he plays. So

464
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 1: if a Tay Gowan or a Marco Wilson plays special

465
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: teams well, and maybe they're not ready to play corner,

466
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: but you're keeping him in that special teams role, that

467
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: can affect the cornerback number. But I think clearly your

468
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: top three corners are going to be those veterans, most

469
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: likely Alford, and then if Denard you want him to

470
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: be your fourth, or if he competes and gets a

471
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: starting job, and then you got your three, And then

472
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: I think it depends on is Marco Wilson ready to

473
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: step in if you need him, and is Tay Gowen

474
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: worthy of a roster spot. I think Wilson being a

475
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: fourth rounder, those guys are tough to cut in their

476
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: first year, especially with his athletic upside, So I think

477
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 1: Wilson is probably safe unless it just doesn't work in

478
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: camp and then gawin Will will have to show something.

479
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: I think when you're talking about six seventh round picks,

480
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: those guys at the show, they can play at the

481
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: end of fell level. All right, speaking of because we

482
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: are talking about six and seventh round picks. You know, Benjamin,

483
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: you guys happen to notice he was going full go

484
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: like every single activity out there. Do you notice that,

485
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: like even in the warmups, the initial warm ups, the

486
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: first five or ten minutes, he'd just have a full

487
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: burst right out. I mean just most guys are doing

488
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: the old brother in law thing, and here we are

489
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: and we're just loosing up. Not you know, Benjamin, if

490
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: there's someone who's trying to be conspicuous by the effort level,

491
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: it's definitely number twenty six, which I had to check

492
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: the roster just to verify that was Eno, Benjamin, because

493
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 1: see twenty six last year? He was right? Okay, who

494
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: was the guy who changed on me? The running back

495
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: Jonathan Ward who's now number twenty nine, which is no

496
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: longer chase Edmunds because he's deuced. That's the one that

497
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: screwed me up. Well that's fair. Yeah, it doesn't take

498
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: much to screw up pot, but I will say that

499
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, had a lot. I mean he

500
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: didn't do a whole lot last year, so you would

501
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: think he's got some extra energy, right, He's got some

502
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: fresh legs, all right, speaking of probably my number one

503
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: takeaway was just J. J Watt and just the fact

504
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: he leading every D line drill. At times he's audibly

505
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: not happy with himself doing it all over again, yelling

506
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: at himself in some colorful language, I mean my you know,

507
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: my NFL films esque work with my cell phone and

508
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,239
Speaker 1: tweeting out all the video clips at Paul Kelp. I

509
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,399
Speaker 1: had to do take three or four because jj Watt

510
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: ruined his rep by yelling something out that I can't

511
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: play over the internet. Okay, at least I don't want

512
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: to attach my name to that exact word. So I

513
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: had to wait for him to do it a second, third,

514
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: four time till he liked it and I didn't get

515
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: an explet of attached under it. It's kind of funny,

516
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: like the Cardinals have a lot of laid back, low

517
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 1: key stars right now, Kyler Murray, DeAndre Hopkins, Buddha Bakers, Quieter.

518
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: JJ Watt came in as a force of nature and

519
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: he hasn't stopped. I mean, he's got the credentials. He

520
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: knows who he is, and you know some guys will

521
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: tiptoe into new teams and he just can't embold in.

522
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: And he's he's already like a go to guy. Were

523
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: a lot of different things, and you know it's it's

524
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: nice for that defensive line group and the defense to

525
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: have somebody like that to emulate. And you know, I

526
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: think that the Cardinals like that about JJ Watt as

527
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: he's he's pumped up about practice and he's yelling at

528
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: himself and he'll probably get on other guys and you know,

529
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: they they value that type of leadership and that's something

530
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: he definitely brings. In fact, the Cliff Kingsbury quote after

531
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: the initial mini camp practice was on JJ Watt quote,

532
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: wherever he goes in the building, he raises the intensity. Yeah,

533
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 1: so I immediately thought of office linebacker. What was the

534
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: Terry Tate office linebacker? That's what immediately thought of those

535
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: old Google it up all you gen zers out there,

536
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: Google up Terry Tate and some of those YouTube videos

537
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: of those old commercials. Those kill. But Joe, you make

538
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: some mop I mean you would get seriously fined and

539
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: thrown out of the league for some of those office

540
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: linebacker hits you saw on the commercials. In today's NFL,

541
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: you can't hit like that. In today's NFL, you can't.

542
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: You can't hit in the office like that. HR has

543
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: a problem. That's right, they'd be walking you out on

544
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: day one on the job on that one. So, by

545
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: the way, my Larry's sighting before practice and after practice,

546
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: I'm driving down the one on one going to the

547
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: mini camp and I look over. There's an eighteen wheeler

548
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: right about I don't know, Guadalupe and the one on

549
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: one heading south, a massive eighteen wheeler. And I'm like,

550
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: do a double take to my right, you know, I

551
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: got the hands ten and two, all right, Okay, I'm

552
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: not on my cell phone, but I am looking to

553
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: my right because there's Larry Fitzgerald's mug on the side

554
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 1: of an eighteen wheeler for some energy sports drink. Larry

555
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: taking a sip after a workout. He's see, you know,

556
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: he's sweating the whole thing, and his whole image is

557
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: splashed on the side of this eighteen wheeler. And I'm like, man,

558
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: that's ironical. If you will because on my way to

559
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: Mini Caamp there's Larry on the eighteen wheeler, but I

560
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: will not see him about ten minutes when I arrive

561
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: at the field. You ruin the story for me because

562
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: I was totally expecting you to talk about Larry in

563
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: a trucker cap driving. His picture was on there, Okay,

564
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: I mean I could totally see that he's a big

565
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: ball or he's a son's co owner. I don't know

566
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: if you've heard that. I'm glad he's got another revenue

567
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: stream being unemployed football wise, he's making ends meet. Still,

568
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: that's right, that's good to know, that's right. And then

569
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: afterwards there was another Larry FitzGeralds sighting. You walk by

570
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: it every single day, but then at dawn, I mean

571
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: there's the mannequins right outside the ticket window of the

572
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 1: Barbel's HQ. And then one of the three jerseys, you

573
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: have a number one, number fifty five, in number eleven

574
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: Larry Fitzgerald. Here it comes a conspiracy theory. Well, why

575
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: is gonna walk by it every single day and see

576
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: if it's still there? Macyle, Why would Larry be out

577
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: there in the mannequin if he's not coming back? I mean,

578
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: come on now, if he's out. And by the way,

579
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: those mannequins are jacked. I mean those things are yoked,

580
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: have you. I mean, if only I was half as

581
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: muscular as those mannequins, it's crazy. I personally want to

582
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: get my waist to that like elevel, they got the

583
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: perfect vego. That's right, So there. I mean, honestly, if

584
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: you have fifty five, one in number eleven was in

585
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth grade. They did deductive reasoning or mathematical reasoning.

586
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: If one in two, then three. So if the first

587
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: and second mannequin our current players are going to be

588
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: playing in twenty twenty one, then why not three? That's

589
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 1: the sort of mathematical deductive reasoning I'm using and looking

590
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: at those three mannequins with a three jersey, I was

591
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: told no math, Okay, I believe that. Isn't that your saying?

592
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to ask me twice on

593
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: that one, So there you go. By the way, didn't

594
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury say the number one question he gets asked

595
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: around town? Hey, why don't you talk Larry into playing

596
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: another year? Not just is he playing? You need to

597
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: talk him into playing. It's definitely the number one question

598
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: I get to. It's like long lost relatives and friends

599
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: of friends. Oh, you work for the cardinal Todd Haley?

600
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: What's up with Larry Fitzgerald? I did. I did an

601
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: interview with on serious NFL radio and Todd Haley is

602
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: a co host of a show right now, come on,

603
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: is he Richie? That blows me away. I know, Kyle,

604
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: you never had a chance to meet Todd, but the

605
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: rest of us did. And uh wow. Anyways, Uh that

606
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: was the first question. Like half my interview was Larry

607
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald related. In the first question, Todd said, He's like,

608
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: I've been trying to get information I can obviously you

609
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: probably do. So what's going on with Larry Fitzgerald. I'm like, hey,

610
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: good thing he's on satellite radio. Knowing Todd, you know

611
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 1: what I mean, he gets worked up and he'll have

612
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: some colorful language out there himself. I got to I

613
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: got to tell prompted by him and his co host,

614
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: I got to tell the the infamous Todd Haley running

615
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: me over in the basketball court story. So there was that. Yeah,

616
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: by the way, a Field Yates put out there that

617
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: Jake Butt has worked out for the Cardinals, So as

618
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: of this recording. This moment J J. Watt dreams so

619
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: or or Greg Moore talking about Larry Fitzgerald playing tight end.

620
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: I like it still happened. No, I don't say that.

621
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: That was like two months in the make. Didn't we

622
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: cover that? We cover Larry? Yeah, and like February. You know,

623
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: nobody has been injured more than Jake Butt by the way,

624
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: he's played eight games with the Broncos in four seasons.

625
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: Think about Annie was injured at Michigan quite a bit. Yeah,

626
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: when he was a big time recruit. So none of

627
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: it has been his posterior, which is oh no. So

628
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: just for that, Darren, it's on you. What's next? What

629
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: are the takeaways? Kyle is about to say something and

630
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: just cut them right off. Don't go don't save them, Kyle,

631
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: go ahead. When you talk about injury prone guys, like

632
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: it's a big worry when you're paying money in free

633
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: agency or spending draft capital when it's a guy on

634
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: the street for the minimum salary, Like, there's no downside

635
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: to bringing in a guy with talent who's had injuries

636
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: and maybe he doesn't give you a full season, but

637
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: if he can contribute, like we've talked about their depth

638
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: is non existent at tight end. So I don't think

639
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: it's a bad move to kick tires on anybody at

640
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: tight end. At this point, I'm telling you get ready

641
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: for Josh Jones to be that six offensive lineman slash

642
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: tight end. JJ Watt. Didn't we already have this conversation

643
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 1: and JJ Watt, you know JJ Wat will be more

644
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: the pass catching tight end. And then and then you

645
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: have oh boy, okay, all right. By the way, it

646
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: is the offseason. It is June, and of course that

647
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: means power poles. And so with the Titans making the

648
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: big move they did make in a reference to an

649
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: earlier the GM John Robinson pulling that trade off from

650
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,479
Speaker 1: a pondoone boat with an outing with his family, and

651
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: so I think it's Adam Shine speaking a serious radio.

652
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: Adam Shine. He threw the cards. He threw out his

653
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: Shine nine. The biggest bandwagons right here, right now going

654
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: into training camp, and this power poll the biggest bandwagons

655
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: number one, you're a week one opponent the Tennessee Titans.

656
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: Think about that when you have Julio Jones and A J.

657
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: Brown and Derrick Henry. Think about the challenge if you're

658
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: trying to load the box. Now, put eight in the

659
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: box with two young linebackers and a rookie Zavin Collins

660
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: with a green dot having to worry about everything and

661
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: everyone else and setting it because Bill Davis told us

662
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: in the Big Red Rage, Yes, indeed, that position is

663
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: responsible for everybody on that defense. So now, okay, that's

664
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: pre snap. Now you do snap the ball and you

665
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: have six foot three, two or fifty pound Derek Henry

666
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: coming straight ahead like a locomotive. You have to worry

667
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: about that. Oh no, it's play action. You better get

668
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: back in coverage because here's Aj Brown on a cross

669
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: or right behind you. It is a you know now,

670
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: Thankfully for anybody playing the Titans, least earlier in the year,

671
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: their defense is nothing to write home about. But if

672
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: you're telling me right here, right now, you're gonna have

673
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: a thirty something to thirty something score in Week one,

674
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: right out of the gates, which usually isn't the norm

675
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: because it takes a week or two for these offenses

676
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 1: to sort of get into gear after showing a lot

677
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: of nothing in August. Yeah, I could see the Cardinals

678
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: and Titans being a barn burner in week one. Yeah.

679
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't look at the Titans as this

680
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 1: like high scoring machine just because of the way they play.

681
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you'll get into the thirties

682
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: in that game, but yeah, you can definitely see some

683
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: efficient football from them. And it is an interesting like

684
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: set up for them where they have this star running

685
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: back and they can pound it and then you don't

686
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: throw as often as everybody else, but when you do,

687
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: you've got two elite weapons on the outside. My big

688
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: questions with them are, is Ryan Tannehill gonna stay as

689
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: good as he's been the last two seasons, because there's

690
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: some advanced numbers which suggests he might regress. And then

691
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, can he keep doing what he's been doing

692
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: with that type of workload And he's getting a year

693
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: older and at those running backs kind of slowed down

694
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: at some point, and I'm not saying he will, but

695
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: it's always a concern that if he's not this super

696
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 1: imposing running back, the best runner in the NFL anymore,

697
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: how much does that hamper their offense? So I asked

698
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: some question marks about them. I think it'll be a

699
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: very good opener, but I don't think the Cardinals are

700
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: going to go in as heavy underdogs in that game.

701
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: I think those teams are pretty evenly matched. You want

702
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: to hear the other bandwagons according to the Shine nine,

703
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals number six. That's the next team listed because

704
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: in between the Titans and the Cardinals are a bunch

705
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: of names. This is intriguing where you throw actually throw

706
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: out individuals in terms of bandwagons getting a lot of attention.

707
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Brandon Staley, the former Rams defensive coordinator who's

708
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: now the Chargers head coach, Ceedee Lamb, Chase Young cam

709
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: Acres is near the bottom of the top ten or

710
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: the top nine in this case. The Rams running back

711
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, the Lions head coach. All right, so yeah,

712
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: you know Motown in the d they're definitely digging themselves

713
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: from Dan Campbell. But the Arizona Cardinals number six, the

714
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins number seven. When it comes to bandwagon, there

715
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: was definitely a bigger bandwagon feel for the Cardinals last season.

716
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: It seems like it's that type of hype has moved

717
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: on to other teams, and it's a lot of times

718
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: post hype is when you actually become a good team

719
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: where a lot of times good players, where a player

720
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: will come up and everybody will be excited for him,

721
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: but he's still learning and still inexperienced. And maybe we

722
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: look at Kyler Murray in addition to what the team

723
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: can do, where the expectations were super high on Kyler

724
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: Murray last season, and now just looking at the growth

725
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: of any player from your second year thirty year, you

726
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: should keep improving. So even though the hype isn't there,

727
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray should be better than he was last year.

728
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: You look at any productivity curve of an NFL player

729
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: and they peek around twenty seven years old. So Kyler

730
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: Murray should keep improving the next several seasons, and we

731
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: don't have that hype anymore. But now it's more realistic

732
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: that the Cardinals can continue to improve and take that

733
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: next jump, even though there isn't a huge bandwagon anymore.

734
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: But I think it's certainly realistic for all that to

735
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: come together. Okay, I'm very glad you brought it up

736
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: because I have a direct question for you, Kyle out

737
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: Guard here on Pacific Cardinals Underground, brought you by Pacific

738
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 1: Office Automation, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. You asked

739
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury question about Kyler Murray, and it was about

740
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: the injury he suffered Thursday night at Seattle and then

741
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: before and after. What was the answer again, because Cliff

742
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: Kingsbury did acknowledge, Actually, I have it here loosely, he said, yes,

743
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: things shifted a bit after that, this style of play

744
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: and the production. He said, Kyler did a nice job

745
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: of pushing through it because he was uncomfortable a bunch

746
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: during the season. Yeah. And the reason I asked that

747
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: is you talk to these guys during the season and

748
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 1: they really downplay everything, Like when we talked about Kyler's injury.

749
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: Cliff and Kyler all season long, you know, tried to

750
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: downplay it, say he's fine, it's not a big deal.

751
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: Once you get a little bit removed from a season,

752
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: and I think the honesty comes out more where guys

753
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: are willing to say exactly what was going on and

754
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: whether it's a crutch or whether it's true. That's what

755
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask at least Cliff Kingsbury's opinion on it,

756
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: and he was very clear about the fact that, Yeah,

757
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: anybody that watched the tape could see the difference between

758
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray before the injury and after. So have we

759
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: not talked about that enough? I guess my question is

760
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray when healthy, that good that he was in

761
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: the first half of the season was it was the

762
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: combination of what he was in the first and the

763
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 1: second half more of the player he is. I think

764
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: that's what we're going to see in year three now

765
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: that he's healthy again. But if he's truly the guy

766
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: we saw in the first half and it was less

767
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: about defensive adjustments and it was more about him not

768
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: being able to play the way he used to play,

769
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: that's huge for the Cardinals offense obviously, because what we

770
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: saw at the end of his rookie season to the

771
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: first half of year two, that offense was humming and

772
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: then it bogged down. And if you can say the

773
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: injury was the biggest contributing factor to that, then the

774
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: Cardinals are in really good shape moving forward. Because Cliff

775
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: Kingsbury mentioned the production and the drop off a little bit,

776
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: can you tie it directly? I actually haven't done that,

777
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: And can you go to that moment that game it

778
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: was the second quarter or was it the first quarter

779
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: where he suffered the shoulder injury first drive, I think,

780
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: and then from there on was it a different story

781
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: the rest of the season. I mean, that was the

782
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: game where they were what five and two I think

783
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: going into that Seattle game. So it very much lines

784
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 1: up to where they started hot and then they cooled off.

785
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: And like I said, we can debate whether the injury

786
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: was the biggest factor or not, and I don't know

787
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: if it was, and I think it's gonna take a

788
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: little bit to figure that out, but there were there's

789
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: a clear statistical decline after he got hurt. I do think,

790
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: like because there was the other shot that he took

791
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: against the Dolphins that you know that that's right in

792
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: that time frame two about you know, they beat the

793
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: Bills and and then all because he was pretty good

794
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: against the Bills. Yeah, I'd have to go back and

795
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: look at the exact things, but they're you know, basically

796
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: around halfway through the season. And I do remember nosing

797
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: around a little bit with that question, and what I

798
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: got out of it, Well, if you look at the

799
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: way he's running the ball, it's different. He's not quite

800
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: running it straight ahead as much after the shoulder injury,

801
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: and that was sited is maybe some evidence that you

802
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: know what, that injury could be a little bit more

803
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: painful than he's letting on and that has changed his game,

804
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: his running game more so than anything, just his desire perhaps,

805
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 1: or perhaps he's on doctors or coaches orders. Look, you

806
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: know what, had more for the sidelines and run laterally

807
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: than vertically. If you recall, I think there was a

808
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: few times last year where Cliff Kingsbury and press conferences

809
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: was basically like, yeah, I'd really like for him to

810
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: be a little smarter about how some of these things

811
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: are gone, because I did feel like I felt like

812
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: as a rookie he obviously didn't produce as much rushing yards,

813
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: and part of that was learning the game, and part

814
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 1: of that was I think they were trying to figure

815
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: out what they wanted to do. I felt like he

816
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: came out last year and especially when he had the

817
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: early success, it was like, I think that emboldened him

818
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: a little bit in terms of being a little bit

819
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: more aggressive with how he ran. And then you know,

820
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: you get to the point where it's like, Okay, it's

821
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: the risk reward thing that we've always talked about. And

822
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: that's the other problem with you know, because if you're

823
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: going to be honest about this stuff. And I'm you know,

824
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: we haven't had a chance to talk to Kyler yet,

825
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 1: but it's I'm curious to know kind of how he

826
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: reacts to all this, because again, I think the last

827
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: thing he really wants to do is go down the

828
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: road of like, hey, do you think if you keep

829
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: playing like this you're gonna be able to last? And

830
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a subject he wants no part of

831
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: in book. This isn't the only sport where they're not

832
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: going to give you great detail on the severity of

833
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: an injury. Look at hockey. Darren is a former hockey

834
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: beat writer. You kid me, They'll tell you upper body

835
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: or lower body, and that's about it. I vividly remember,

836
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: I can't remember the guy's name. There was a playoff

837
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: run by a team I was covering, and you could

838
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: tell the guy was in a lot of pain. Oh

839
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: it's not fan Handra hands fine over there, and he

840
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 1: played the entire playoff run and then it was revealed

841
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 1: later that he had a busted foot in three places.

842
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: And they would just lace that skate so tight it

843
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: would actually stabilize the foot, and they played it off

844
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: for a month like it was. I mean, it's almost

845
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: like Chris Paul right now, right like he says everything

846
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: is cool with the shoulder, we can see it's not.

847
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: But how much you know in the benefit of two

848
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: or three months down the line, maybe when the next

849
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: season starts, maybe he'll say exactly what was going on

850
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: behind the scenes with that shoulder. And that's what I

851
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: feel about Kyler, And hopefully we can talk to him

852
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: and see how open he is about it. But you know,

853
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: these guys are still very good players, but how high

854
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: is your ceiling when you're a bit banged up. And

855
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: the nice thing about Kyler is he's he knows how

856
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: to avoid hits for the most part, So maybe it

857
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: was more just unlucky last season than anything that happened

858
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 1: to be one of the most important parts of him

859
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: is his shoulder, and you're gonna get nicked up every

860
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: single season, but he always has done a nice job

861
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: of staying pretty healthy and avoiding hits, so I don't

862
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 1: think it's it's a huge issue. He's definitely smaller, and

863
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: those injuries might crop up more when he takes a

864
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: big hit being five foot ten. I mean, he's not

865
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: a Ben Roethlisberger in the pocket or anything. But yeah,

866
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes from here on out. But

867
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: if if the injury was a big deal, then then

868
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,959
Speaker 1: that's obviously a pretty big storyline heading into next season. Well, look,

869
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: he was pretty darn honest on two other fronts so

870
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: far this off season. I just looked it up. It

871
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: was the Rich Eisen Show where he said, you know what,

872
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: I have to take care of the little things and

873
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: pay more attention to detail and really respect the little things,

874
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: is what he said. And then on that same media

875
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: tour that day, he went on the Pat McAfee show

876
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 1: and he was asked about the Cardinals roller coaster ride

877
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: of his season, the inconsistency in the finish, and he said,

878
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: and I quote, you just didn't know which team you

879
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: were getting end quote. So maybe he'll be honesty. I

880
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 1: don't think he's directly been asked that question in the

881
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: off season. What was the severity of the shoulder injury

882
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: and how limited were you the remainder of the season. Yeah,

883
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: he's I mean, he's not the biggest SoundBite or the

884
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: most interesting compelling interview at times, but he's generally pretty honest.

885
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: That's one thing that he does. He'll often answer the

886
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: questions and well, we'll see what he says. Hopefully we

887
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: get him in the next couple of days and can

888
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: probe that a little bit. But yeah, I mean, and

889
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: I go back to it, like there were definitely defensive

890
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: changes and running that zone read. I don't think the

891
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: lanes were there that were early in the season. So

892
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm hesitant to say like this injury completely changed their season.

893
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: But the way Kingsbury answered, did I agree with you?

894
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: Where he was like, yeah, it was a pretty big

895
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: deal and it changed quite a bit offensively. I was

896
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: gonna say, I do think for all this discussion that

897
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: we're having that defenses did start accounting for it a

898
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: little bit more and knowing that maybe the passing off

899
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: into the Cardinals wasn't quite where the Cardinals might want

900
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: it to be and it wasn't quite as effective if

901
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: he couldn't move around and mush rush and that kind

902
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: of stuff. So I do think defenses accounted for some

903
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: of that. By the way, did you catch that one

904
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: little glimpse of honesty from Buddha Baker on Zaven Collins

905
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: when he was talking about different members of the defense

906
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: and getting ready for the season, etc. And he said

907
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: Zavin Collins. And he paused and he said, who gets it.

908
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: He understands football. Quote end quote about Zavin Collins. That

909
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: gave me a little bit for a mini camp practice

910
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: and a Mini camps press conference. He gave me a

911
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: little bit of encouragement and hope that a rookie MIC

912
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: linebacker was gonna have the green dot is capable of

913
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: pulling this off. When Buddha Baker, who was brutally honest

914
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: on the Big Red Rage and said, you know what,

915
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: I'm not crowning anybody who's a rookie because I got

916
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 1: to see him out there. So for him to offer

917
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: that up on his own that he does see some

918
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 1: football like you already on his Zaven Collins, I took

919
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: that as a sign hopefully everyone can be bullish on

920
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: a rookie pulling that off. And Buddha Baker, who we

921
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: all saw right away he came into training camp, no

922
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: offseason work because of the Washington school schedule, he couldn't

923
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: practice in the off season, came in camp right away.

924
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: It's like this guy belongs. It didn't take him long

925
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: to figure it out, and he didn't really play early,

926
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: but we always knew he was going to get on

927
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: the field and start pretty quickly. And that's obviously a

928
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: bullish sign on Zavin if he can be similar because

929
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 1: there are guys that have come in and right away

930
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: you knew they were players, So that's a big, big

931
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: plus for the defensive Zaban can do that. By the way,

932
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: on the Red Sea Report, we're just gonna rip this

933
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: off the Red Sea Report and Craig Griel's question, which

934
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: player is not getting enough pub? Right here, right now

935
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: is a Cardinals wrap up mandatory mini camp and they

936
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: get ready to launch into training camp for the most

937
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: part through the month of August. Which player, Darren Urban,

938
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: would you identify who's running under the radar? If you will?

939
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 1: Which player is not getting enough PUB? Do you need

940
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: Kyle to buy you sometime? No? No, I think honestly,

941
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: I personally, I think it's Rodney Hudson. I think there's

942
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: a guy who you know, he's not going to be

943
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: super sexy, and he's not You're not. It's not somebody

944
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: that you're gonna notice a lot or talk a lot about.

945
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: But I just think adding him into the middle, I

946
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: think changes a lot of the dynamic of what they

947
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: can do on that offensive line. So I think in

948
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: that regard, I'm gonna say Rodney Hudson. Yeah, Bertrand Berry

949
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: went with Shard Lawrence, by the way, the fourth round

950
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: pick a year ago out of LSU Fair Kyle I

951
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 1: was the president and founding member of the Jayalen Thompson

952
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: hype Train last year, which never got out the station.

953
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: But I'm doubling down. I think I think Jayleen Thompson

954
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: is a really really good football player, and a lot

955
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: of people that aren't hardcore Cardinals fans don't realize that yet.

956
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: And I think if he stays healthy, I think the

957
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: safety duo of him and Buddha Baker can be among

958
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 1: the best in the NFL. And if those two guys

959
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: stay healthy, I think it's going to really help a

960
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: lot of these cornerback issues that we think might happen.

961
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: So I think Jayleen Thompson is an absolutely integral piece

962
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: of this defense, and just for his sake, I would

963
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: like him to stay healthy and show what he can do,

964
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,919
Speaker 1: because last year it was only in flashes. But he's

965
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: just a very very good football player. And if you

966
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: want to know about it, ask Vans Joseph about Jayleen

967
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 1: Thompson because he raves about him every time he can,

968
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 1: and I think I think, once again, like I thought

969
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: last year, I think it can be a breakout season

970
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: for jay Thompson. I want to go with Max Williams,

971
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: but really that's a matter of health, you know, in

972
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: the absence of Dan Arnold, and you want to have

973
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: that guy working the seam. I think Max Williams is

974
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: pois knock on Wood to to have a big season.

975
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: But if you really want to talk about a guy

976
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: under the radar, I'm gonna go Zach Allen. He had

977
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: the unbelievable game a year ago against the Philadelphia Eagles.

978
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like an All timer. You look some of

979
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: the stats he put up as a D lineman against

980
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: the Eagles in that game. It's just ridiculous. But there's

981
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: a component going on right now. His new bestie is

982
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: JJ Watt, and Zach Allen told me we did an

983
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: event a couple of months ago that he grew up

984
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 1: latter half of high school all through BC the film

985
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: he studied the most. JJ Watt, that's his guy, and

986
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: he said there are still times where he gets a

987
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: text from JJ Watt what's going on, dude, and he

988
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: just he's just mesprized for a minute. He's just blown away.

989
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: JJ Watt is checking in on me. And if you

990
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: watch those guys during the mini camp, they're sort of

991
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: hanging out to together, and he's really gleaning a lot

992
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,479
Speaker 1: I can tell from Jay and you know what, there's

993
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: a spot to be one along that defensive front and

994
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: to me, Zach Allen could be that guy. And he's

995
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: slowly put on more and more weight and strength as

996
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: he's gone on. He said the advice he guy going

997
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: into his pro day back before the draft was to

998
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: lose as much weight as you can to be as

999
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: nimble and quick as you can, and he said he

1000
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: was way underweight. It plagued him his rookie year. He

1001
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: got up to two eighty five last year. It looks

1002
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: like he's gotten even stronger again. So my money poised

1003
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: for a breakout season. I'll go Zach Allen. I think

1004
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: that that draft class that we're talking about was so big,

1005
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: and I think it's a good draft class. But now

1006
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: they're all going into their third seasons and it's Zach

1007
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 1: Allen and Jalen Thompson and Kyler Murray and Buyer Murphy.

1008
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: You know, Deonte Thompson is a guy that has flashed

1009
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: a little bit too. Maybe he can get in that mix.

1010
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: But when you get into your third year, you can

1011
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: really have some big time seasons, and we've seen that

1012
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: with I think Tyer Matthew's really good season was his

1013
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: third season. You can explode and become a star in

1014
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 1: year three. You kind of get it. You're still young

1015
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: and for the most part, if you've avoided injuries, you're

1016
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: in good health and in the prime of your career.

1017
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: So that that draft class was so big and they

1018
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: had the number one pick in every round that Bayern

1019
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: Murphy was a second rounder technically, but he was number

1020
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: thirty three. Zach Allen a third rounder technically but one

1021
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: spot away from a second rounder. So like, all these

1022
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: guys have talent that we're up there, and if you

1023
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: get that type of performance out of a lot of them,

1024
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: it really helps the overall product for this team. By

1025
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: the way, speaking of d line, real quick, Xavier Williams

1026
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: added to the Cardinals roster. He was the guy taken

1027
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: the same year twenty fifteen as David Johnson. We wasn't

1028
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: really taken, he was. He was undrafted rookie free asient,

1029
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: but they were both out of Northern Iowa. Correct. Ostensibly

1030
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: they're watching film and David Johnson, they're like, wait a minute,

1031
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: who's this d lineman for their Northern Iowa for one

1032
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: hundred points? What's their nickname again? Panthers? Well done, Kyle

1033
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner as a prize for you online too, So

1034
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: he'll be over there. So all right, Xavier back. Yeah, Okay,

1035
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: that's good. I mean, you know the part of the

1036
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: all quote teams. So it's good to have him back

1037
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: for us. Is he's a good he's good interview. Wow.

1038
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever went. In fact, I want

1039
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 1: to say, in one of my early David Johnson stories,

1040
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: I was happy I could go talk to Xavier and

1041
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: get a couple of quotes from him because David wasn't

1042
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: always super forthcoming. Hey, here's hoping even more so now

1043
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: that we can actually get into the locker room, say

1044
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: interview these guys, we'll see about that. I don't know.

1045
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 1: And he's carved out a nice career for himself being

1046
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: an undrafted guy in what five or six years in

1047
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: and he I mean, even though he's one of those

1048
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: late offseason signings. He obviously the Steve Kime knows him

1049
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: and they know who he is, and maybe he can't

1050
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: get plugged in as one of those rotation linemen. The

1051
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: Cardinals always need six or seven d linemen to go

1052
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: in and out. So it wouldn't surprise me if he

1053
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: made the team and had a bit of an impact

1054
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: biggest position battle coming out of minicamp going into training.

1055
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: This is one we can obviously kick around a little

1056
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: bit more in future editions of Cardinals Underground. But right here,

1057
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: right now, the clubhouse leader for the group, the position

1058
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: group that's going to have the biggest battle, are we

1059
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: thinking right guard? Are we thinking Brian Winners? Justin Murray?

1060
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: Help me out? Josh Jones, Max Garcia, Yeah, yeah, I

1061
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: agree with that. I mean, just because it seems so

1062
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: wide open, and because they have multiple people, and I

1063
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 1: don't think we really have a good idea of what

1064
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: they exactly want to do. I mean, there's other spots

1065
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: like I'm curious to know what's going to happen at cornerback,

1066
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: but they're gonna play three cornerbacks so much, you know,

1067
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: and I don't know if those rookies are really going

1068
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: to be ready, So it might just be a question

1069
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: of how they're ordered on the depth chart rather than

1070
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: really a position battle per se. Whereas obviously, if you

1071
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: win the right guard job, you're gonna play a lot,

1072
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: and if you don't, you're probably not. So yeah, if

1073
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna go, I mean, the corners will be a

1074
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: rotation to a large degree. D line will definitely be

1075
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: a rotation. Those guys always get so many snaps a

1076
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 1: game to keep everyone fresh. But yeah, if you settle

1077
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: on a right guard and that guy decisively wins the job,

1078
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: he's apt to take virtually every snap all season. Yeah, absolutely,

1079
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: And I I don't know they did some rotation last year,

1080
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: but ideally, I think you want to keep a guy

1081
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: in there full time, and that means he's clearly the

1082
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: best one. And I don't think this offensive line has

1083
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: very many holes. I think DJ Humphries has proven to

1084
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: be one of the better left tackles in the NFL,

1085
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: and Rodney hunts it is already clearly one of the

1086
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: best centers. And I think Justin pu is solid and

1087
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: Kelvin Beacham last year had a good year. So if

1088
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: Beacham can duplicate what he did and you can figure

1089
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: out that right guard spot, I think you're in good shape.

1090
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: I think clearly the right side of the line is

1091
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: more tenuous. I think anybody can see that. I think

1092
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: the left side is very solid. And if you can

1093
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: keep those three guys healthy Humphries, Peu and Hudson, I

1094
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: think your line is going to be pretty good no

1095
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: matter what. But it's kind of that extra level if

1096
00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: you can figure out the right guard. And if Beacham

1097
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: play the same way he did last season, so if

1098
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,280
Speaker 1: you get wolf in the air and the big red rage,

1099
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: he'll talk about, you know, what is going to be

1100
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 1: the level of physicality in the Cardinals game this year?

1101
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 1: So based on which guard they decide upon to start,

1102
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: is that a tell if Brian Winters is the guy,

1103
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: then indeed, here comes the Pound game. As the offensive

1104
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: lineman like to talk about it, the Pound game. Straight ahead,

1105
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna go. I mean, we're digging in and we're

1106
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: coming off the ball, and Kyler's under center, hint, hint,

1107
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson and Greg Roman what they're doing in Baltimore.

1108
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: And here's James Connor and he's just following straight ahead

1109
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: the power run game or if they go with a

1110
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: Justin Murray or Josh Jones are a more nimble of foot.

1111
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: Guess what, Yeah, we're gonna do some more outside zone

1112
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: or we're gonna run latterly. I suppose that's a possibility.

1113
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if it's going to

1114
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: be quite that cut and dry, because I do think

1115
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 1: that whatever, however more physical they might want to get,

1116
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: there's still an element to this offense that Cliff Kingsbury's

1117
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: not going to go away from that does want to

1118
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: be a little bit more nimble and stuff like that.

1119
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: And and I do think they want to get Chase

1120
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: Edmonds very much in this offense, and I don't know

1121
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: if he's a plow ahead kind of guy. I'm pretty

1122
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 1: confident your right guard is going to be the best

1123
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: among those four, and that person is not going to

1124
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: dictate whatsoever what your offense looks like. No offense to

1125
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: the right guards, because I'm I'm just gonna throw this

1126
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 1: out there. The offensive line coach is Sean Kugler, who

1127
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: happens to be the run game coordinator who got a

1128
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 1: promotion in the offseason and a little more pay and

1129
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 1: a little more influenced theoretically soul. So if Justin Murray

1130
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: wins the job, you're going zone reading. If it's Brian Winters,

1131
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: you're going I form under center. Is that ludicrous? What

1132
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: do you mean completely? It doesn't. It doesn't denote a

1133
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: change in philosophy and your run game. If all of

1134
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: a sudden, hello, they went on a target of Brian

1135
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: Winners for a reason, it's his job to lose, because

1136
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,280
Speaker 1: that's the sort of run game they want to employ.

1137
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: I feel like, if Kyler Murray's your quarterback, you're gonna

1138
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: be playing a certain way. And I don't think, Hey,

1139
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: I like this right guard and running it up, so

1140
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: we'll put Kyler Murray behind center. Like eighty percent of

1141
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: the time. I just don't see that happening. Maybe Rondelle

1142
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: More will play fullback and they're just filling us all.

1143
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: It's not often I say this. Yeah, I think they're going,

1144
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, where's Wolf and I need him here. I

1145
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: don't say that what they're going spread. I mean, you

1146
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: got Christian Kirk and Rondale More in the slot. And

1147
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: if you're going if you're using a I form, if

1148
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: you're going under center, I mean you're talking about eleven

1149
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: personnel at most and one of those guys sits, I

1150
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: think it's it's much more likely that you're going spread

1151
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: than big boy football. Well, you know it's Darren's watching

1152
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: NFL Network a Colt's Chargers game, I don't know, from

1153
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: the preseason two thousand and eight or something. So I've

1154
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: lost Darren here. That's a bad sign. Yeah, I'm just

1155
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: a bad sign. Well, you lost me was when you're

1156
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: said that they're going to start going up like uh

1157
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: like freaking the nineteen seventy nine Pittsburgh Steelers and Frank

1158
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: o'harris and Rocky Blyer. Okay, all right, I'll back off

1159
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: that a little bit, but I'll leave it with this.

1160
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: If Greg Roman is indeed correct, and this wasn't media bluster.

1161
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: He was quoted at a season ticket holder events saying

1162
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna put Lamar Jackson under center more often. And

1163
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: we saw Kyler, we'll bet, we'll bet under center. And

1164
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: we've heard a lot of guys who know a lot

1165
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: about football and really extol the virtues of putting a

1166
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: quarterback under center. The running backs get that running start,

1167
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,480
Speaker 1: you keep the ends honest a little bit more. There

1168
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: are some positives to that and Kyle's already shake. Literally,

1169
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 1: Kyle's licking his chops right now. He wants a piece

1170
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: of this answer. When I pose the question, do we

1171
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: expect Kyler under center? More like perhaps Lamar Jackson. I

1172
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: don't think it necessarily has to do with playing under center.

1173
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's more about being unpredictable.

1174
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: And I think at a point last season the Cardinals

1175
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: ran the zone read and teams kind of decided how

1176
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: they wanted to defend it and if they're going to

1177
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: defend it that way, we did see them go I

1178
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: form and do bootlegs and stuff. So I think that

1179
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: it's it's just being a little bit unpredictable. I don't

1180
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: think Cliff Kingsbury is ever gonna be a put my

1181
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: quarterback under center type guy. He said as much. He

1182
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: thinks shotgun is a more optimal spot for the quarterback.

1183
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: So I think we could see it a little bit.

1184
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: But I don't think the Brian Winters slash fullback, slash

1185
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: straight ahead James Connor for three yards in a cloud

1186
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: of dust is going to be this offense. You know,

1187
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, you know who can play fullback? J J. Watt? Well,

1188
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: what about mandatory Psycho. That's the nickname we came up

1189
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: last week for Bernhard's Psychovits fishing for your Austrian. We

1190
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: got to work that into Cardinals Underground as a wrapping

1191
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: things up right here. We got the shout out last

1192
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: week for it. In fact, here's the prop. Bet this

1193
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: week Wolf will be able to use the nicknames psycho

1194
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:59,439
Speaker 1: during a preseason game, meaning Bernhard's Psychovits. We'll actually get

1195
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: some pre season action. Yeah, a lot, probably, I don't

1196
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: know about a lot, but I bet you he gets

1197
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: a chance to play in a game. I bet you

1198
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: gets more than the starters. Okay, but J J. Watt,

1199
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna see a lot of Psycho out there. I

1200
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: like that. I can't think of a better way to

1201
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: end this addition of Cardinals Underground, brought to you by

1202
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: Pacific Office Automation. What was that quote again, Kyle, Just

1203
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: for posterity, You're gonna get a lot of psycho out there. Boom,