1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Car and Drivers. Into Cars, a 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: podcast from iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio, brought to you by eBay Motors. 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm Tony ki Roger, the editor in chief of Car 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: and Driver, and I'm joined by my co host, former 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: editor in chief and current Chief Brand and Content Officer, 6 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: Eddie Alterman, and together we're Into Cars. 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: Each episode of this podcast covers a new car that 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: we think is worthy of your attention. The cars we 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: select may feature a novel design, cutting edge engineering, or 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: something entirely new. We'll cover the stories behind the cars, 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: answering the whys and exploring the whats to bring you 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 2: into the experience. We'll drive the things and let you 13 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: listen in, and then we'll sit down with the people 14 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: who actually made the cars to answer our questions about them. 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: Come along for the ride and you'll hear it all 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: the good, the bad, and the ugly and the way 17 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: that only carrent Driver delivers. 18 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: This episode of Into Cars focuses on Hyundai's newest electric car, 19 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: the Ionic five N. Unlike every other electric car we've experienced, 20 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: the Ionic five N is designed to give a gas 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: car experience through several selectable modes. The Ionic five can 22 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: be set up to act like there's a gas burning 23 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: engine under the hood and an eight speed dual clutch 24 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: doing the shifts, but of course it's all fake. But 25 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: how well does it full up the charade? We're joined 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: today by two Car and Driver writers who have driven 27 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: the Hundai Ionic five N during different stages of development. 28 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 1: Senior editor Andrew Krock drove a prototype on a frozen 29 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: lake in Sweden, and Managing editor David Beard drove a 30 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: development car at the famous Nurburgering racetrack in Germany. Both 31 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: are here to help us make sense of this philosophically 32 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: and technically complicated vehicle. Welcome to Into Cars, guys. It's 33 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: good to have you. 34 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me, Thanks for having us Tony, 35 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: you were just down the hall, so we figured. 36 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Andrew, why did Hundai take you guys out 37 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: to a frozen lakebed in Sweden? What was going on 38 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: there and what did you learn? If anything? 39 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: Well? 40 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 4: I had a blast first and foremost, it was my 41 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 4: first job at Car and Driver. As a matter of fact, 42 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 4: it was March of twenty twenty three. They schleppt us 43 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 4: off as far north as they possibly could and we 44 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 4: hung out underneath the Aurora Borealis and did some ice 45 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 4: track work with a very early version of the Ionic 46 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 4: five vent Hunda was still deep in development on the 47 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 4: chassis and some of the fine tuning portions of the 48 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 4: five N but they had some small ancillary systems ready 49 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 4: for us to try out, like drift mode and E shift. 50 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 4: So they brought us up to the Arctic Circle and 51 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 4: basically dropped us on a frozen lake bed to spin 52 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 4: around in circles and have a great time, and believe 53 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 4: it or not, we did. 54 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 2: Were you surprised when you learned how much power it had? 55 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: I mean, we had the Lamborghini Uricon s Dorado on 56 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: and this thing has almost as much power as that. 57 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: It's got six hundred and one horse power. And then 58 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 2: when you go into what mode is. 59 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: It and grin boost come and grin boost give you 60 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: six for one. 61 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 4: Well, we didn't get too many accelerations on the ice, however, 62 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 4: we did get some lowdown blasting around, and obviously electric 63 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 4: motors produced torque pretty much instantly all the time, so 64 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 4: it felt powerful. I was not terribly surprised by six 65 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 4: ZHO one. I believe it. It's about as close as 66 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 4: we get to a Korean Hellcat these. 67 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: Days, powertrain aside and torque delivery aside. Did it feel 68 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: because this thing does all those internal combustion style tricks. 69 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: Did it feel like a Hellcat? 70 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 5: It does? 71 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 4: And the way I have experienced a lot of consumers 72 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 4: who are kind of trying to dip their toes into 73 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 4: the EV space, A lot of folks are kind of 74 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 4: looking for any sort of anchor of familiarity to kind 75 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 4: of be like, oh, well, this reminds me of my 76 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 4: gas car. Therefore, you know, this is not as foreign 77 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 4: of an experience as I thought it would be. And 78 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 4: I think a lot of these enngrin shift stuff and 79 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 4: the fake gear settings and everything. I think a lot 80 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 4: of it just does a really good job of reminding 81 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: you that it is still a car underneath. 82 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: Has it changed much from production to prototype? 83 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 4: Frankly, it's only gotten crazier. 84 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: Okay. 85 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 4: I honestly think there's more of an attitude to it 86 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 4: in the production version than there was, so, if anything, 87 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 4: they found that there was room to get even crazier. 88 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: Wow, and Dave Beard, he drove this thing at the Ring. 89 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 3: I drove it adjacent the ring. Oh so close, but 90 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 3: yet so far. I drove it on the GP circuit there, okay, 91 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 3: but I did not drive the Norge. 92 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 2: Lipho okay, because if you were to drive the Norge 93 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 2: Lifa you'd only get two laps in. 94 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, when we were there, that was their goal was 95 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 3: two laps with no fall off in performance at all. 96 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: Hyundai tested over six thousand development miles at the Nurber Ring. 97 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: Was an active sound that is the different modes where 98 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: it sounds like an internal combustion car, and was an 99 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: E shift active that's where it shifts like an eight 100 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: speed dual clutch. Did they let you play with those 101 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: at the track? 102 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 3: These were still pretty early prototype mules and buttons were 103 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: taped off so we couldn't really see what things were doing. 104 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: But they did let us toggle through a few of 105 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 3: the sounds. You know, the supersonic jet mode which is 106 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 3: pretty synthetic. But what really blew me back was the 107 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: two liter synthetic engine noise that kind of pumps through 108 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 3: the cabin. That really throws you off because it does 109 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: mimic a gas car pretty well. They had a button 110 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 3: set up where you could turn shift boat on and off, 111 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: and the torque in eruptions in the motor it also 112 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 3: does a great job simulating a dual clutch transmission. It 113 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 3: kind of warps your mind that you're in a gas car. 114 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, were you fooled? Did the software fool you? 115 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 3: I was not fooled. I was impressed. I think that 116 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 3: if you put somebody in the vehicle who has not 117 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 3: been around vehicles like we are, that you might actually 118 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 3: be able to fool them. 119 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: Dave, you're a gamer and you like to play video games. 120 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: I know you like to play racing games. Yeah, that's 121 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: a simulation. This is a simulation. Now philosophically, are you 122 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: okay with an electric car simulating a gas experience? And 123 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: same question for you, Andrew. 124 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 3: I'm okay with it as long as you can turn 125 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 3: it off if you want to, right, Like, don't force 126 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 3: it on me, give me the opption to go back 127 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 3: and forth. But I think we kind of need it. 128 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: Electric vehicles, Yeah, they're quick and everything, but they lack character. 129 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: And even adding it in digitally is adding a little 130 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: bit back to the driving experience of piloting a gas 131 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 3: powered car. 132 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: And Andrew, how do you feel about the simulation and 133 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: being part of the simulation. 134 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 4: I've been part of the simulation. 135 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 2: My whole life, Doney. 136 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 4: I love it for pretty much every reason Dave said. 137 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 4: Number one, it's not hurting anybody. You can turn it 138 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 4: off if you don't like it. You don't have to 139 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 4: use it. But the fact that it's there expands its appeal, 140 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 4: and it's a very, in my opinion, what is probably 141 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 4: a lower cost way of getting to expand that appeal. 142 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 4: So I'm all for it. Whatever gets more people interested 143 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 4: and excited for electric cars, because I know that we 144 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 4: had the longest time where we all thought we'd be 145 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 4: driving second gen Priuses and we'd all be doing two 146 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: miles an hour, hanging out with Ed Bagley Junior and 147 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 4: having the worst time of our lives. Don't knock ed vaguely, 148 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 4: but I think we're at a time where the car 149 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 4: is can be exciting, and they're more exciting than people think. 150 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 4: And whatever gets more eyes on them, I think. Isn't 151 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 4: that positive? 152 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: You know, you see this a lot. Whenever there's a 153 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: technology change, some artifacts of the old technology persist into 154 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: the new one. To me, and I haven't driven the 155 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: car yet, but it's little like controlling a vehicle with 156 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: horse reins, you. 157 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: Know what I mean, and making horse sounds. 158 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: But you know, we're so far into the EV transition anyway, 159 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: it seems like this is pretty late in coming. Maybe 160 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 2: this is how it's going to be. I don't know. 161 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: I mean, are we that addicted to noise, vibration and harshness. 162 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: Maybe we are. 163 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: I think I am in a performance car like this, 164 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: I want that I would miss it. 165 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean theater is a big reason why 166 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: people like performance cars, and I think injecting that an 167 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 4: EV may seem a little more counterproductive because it isn't 168 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 4: making as much noise as an internal combustion engine would, 169 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: but I'm all for it. 170 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 3: I should also mention that with ane shift activated, the 171 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: car is actually slower accelerating because you get those interruptions 172 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: in torque, so it's not even with that experience active, 173 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 3: it's not as quick as your standard EV mode. 174 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: And I'm sure it'd be slower on a racetrack as well. 175 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 3: Yeah right. That was the one thing about driving it 176 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: around the circuit is your shift points and all that's 177 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 3: playing in your brain as you're out there running laps. 178 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: So I found it better to drive with an E 179 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: shift activated on the track, just because it was a 180 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: level of engagement and it gave me reference points where 181 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 3: things were happening versus you know, just dead silent out there. 182 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. 183 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: Now, speaking of theater, there's also that drift optimization mode. 184 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: Did you use that at all? 185 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 4: They turned that on for us, They gave us a 186 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 4: walk through of how to do it. They brought us 187 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 4: out to this gigantic couple thousand foot ice skid pad, 188 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 4: and we're basically just like, engage you in your hown 189 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 4: go nuts, see if you can hold the drift with 190 00:08:58,679 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 4: without the mode. 191 00:08:59,440 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 2: See how it was. 192 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 4: And there is a demonstrable difference in how well that 193 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 4: thing engages and holds a drift with that mode active. 194 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you would think it'd be kind of hard 195 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: to modulate a drift the way it is in an 196 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 2: IC car. 197 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was thinking that too. So the entire 198 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 4: time I'm going around the circle drifting, let's just say, 199 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 4: better than I normally would. I was trying to figure 200 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 4: out how it was all happening in the background, but 201 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 4: my brain was just having the hardest time wrapping around 202 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 4: it because the end result was just such a smooth, 203 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 4: perfect slide that. Yeah, my mind was blown the whole time. 204 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: So the production car has N race, which will optimize 205 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: the battery for a few quick laps versus staying out 206 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: on the track for a longer session. Do you know 207 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: what mode your car was in? 208 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 3: We were not optimized for longer sessions. We were dumping 209 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 3: more power in because we did four laps at a time. 210 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: And I don't know how you guys drive on media events, 211 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: but I like to drive them pretty hard because we 212 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 3: get such short exposure to them, right, So I was, 213 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: you know, definitely abusing the brain and the tires and 214 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 3: leaning on it as hard as I could everywhere. And 215 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: I came away really impressed with how well they had 216 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 3: two in the car. I mean, they've got a couple 217 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 3: of fantastic guys running the program over there, with Albert Berman, 218 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: former mastermind for all the M cars, and Tyrone Johnson. 219 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 3: He was from Ford, he did the Fiestast and the 220 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 3: focus RS. 221 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 2: Great drift mode cars. I mean, we should pause for 222 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: a second to talk about how good these N cars are. 223 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: And I don't know if the general public really understands 224 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: just how amazing something like Alantra N is and just 225 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: how good it is to drive, how much kind of 226 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: front end authority these cars have. They really do feel 227 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: like they're set up by real race guys. They're just 228 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 2: awesome to drive. 229 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're tons of fun. The chassis works well. The 230 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: veloster En sort of got them to this point, and 231 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: then the Lantra end just took it to the next level. 232 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a fantastic car, tons of grip. I 233 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: think it's close to a G on the skid pad. 234 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: They're incredibly quick, and it's affordable. It's in the low 235 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: thirty thousands. Oh yeah. 236 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 3: Just for my brief time hanging out over there with 237 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 3: the end team, they're very enthusiastic about their brand and 238 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,839 Speaker 3: they want them to be good, and they want them 239 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 3: to drive well and provide the very entertaining experience. Like 240 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: they really care about their product, and I think that 241 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 3: shows with how well these end cars drive. 242 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: So, Andrew, did you have any reindeer when you were 243 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: up there? 244 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 2: Reindeer meat? Like eating it? Or did you see reindeer? 245 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 4: For a second, in my head, I was like, did 246 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 4: he ask if I hit a reindeer while I was 247 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 4: out there? 248 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: No? 249 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: No, did you have the reindeer chili? 250 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 4: Sadly, everywhere Hun they took us, they did not offer 251 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 4: us any sort of local quadruped fair Man. 252 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 3: You got the short end of the stick there. 253 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. 254 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 3: Really, I was there once and there was a guy 255 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 3: beating on a drum and they were parading a reindeer around, 256 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 3: and then like thirty minutes later we're all eating a reindeer. 257 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 3: So I don't know if that was like, was. 258 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 5: It that same reindeer? 259 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: I don't know. 260 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: They never said, but we had the chili. 261 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: Really, it was just theater. Hopefully it was as real 262 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: as the Ionic. 263 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, those noises, it's not like ritual sack price apocalypse now. 264 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 5: A long time since. It's been one of those press trips. 265 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: Let's go drive it. 266 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: Let's go. 267 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: Here. It is in the carent driver garage and it's 268 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 2: bigger than you think it's gonna be. 269 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing with Ionic ends, they're always it's 270 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: got this beautiful hatch shape, so in your mind you 271 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: think eighties hatchback, right, and it's so much bigger than that. 272 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: Let's been described the regular Ionic's been described as like 273 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: a Minecraft GTI or Delta into. 274 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: Graalitg Yeah, exactly. 275 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 2: It has an eight bit feel to it. You know. 276 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: I love the design of this, and you've got a 277 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: larger rear spoiler. This one has matte blue paint. It's 278 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: like that light blue gulf Matte paints. It's the end color, right, 279 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 1: And it's got the little n on the rockers. It's 280 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: got the much larger wheels and tires. It's got p 281 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: zeros on it. It's got a lot of rubber underneath 282 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 1: it too. 283 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 2: Twenty one inches two. 284 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: Seventy five's in the back, two seventy fives in the front. 285 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: They're square and there's a little bit of extra width 286 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: in the car to accommodate those. I got to say, though, 287 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: the hood fit isn't great over those flares. Do you 288 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: see that. 289 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: It's sort of hanging out over it, but perhaps intentionally 290 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: because it sort of meets up with the fender that way. Okay, 291 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: and it's got the cool eight bit headlights I mentioned, Yeah. 292 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: But does that reinforce the idea that this is just 293 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 2: a robot. 294 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't have that much of a dead lie look, 295 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: does it. It's cool. It's got radiators for the motors, 296 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: got radiators for the batteries. I mean, this is the 297 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: high performance EV right now. 298 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 2: So I mean it's basically, you know, an Ionic five 299 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 2: from the exterior with a little bit more flair. 300 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, they say, even more of a rally car. Look, 301 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 1: it's the Carlos Science version of the Ionic five. 302 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: Excellent. Let's get in it all right, Let's get in 303 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: these cool flush door handles. 304 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: Oh the seeds. 305 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: Oh it's nice. My critique of the base Ionic is 306 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: that it looks like a work cubicle inside, you know, 307 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: like made in Grand Rapids. 308 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: You're going to be hotelling at this for the next 309 00:13:58,720 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: couple of days. 310 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: It's got a little business center with a fax machine. 311 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: But this thing looks proper. 312 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got the center, it's got the larger center 313 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: console up here. 314 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: Oh did you hear that? It's occurring? Okay, what are 315 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 2: you walking through now? 316 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: So I'm going to go through the active end sound 317 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: and we can choose our different sound. So this is 318 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: a ignition, which imitates in an internal combustion engine evolution, 319 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: which is the usual sound of an ev that's piped in, 320 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: and then supersonic, which is apparently inspired by the movie 321 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: typ Gun. 322 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: Okay, let's go with ignition. 323 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: We'll go back to ignition. You know, it's a weird. 324 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: Thing that all the sound is happening on the inside. 325 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 2: You've got this fake exhaust noise, but there's no exhaust. 326 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: It's on the outside. It's not for anybody else but us. 327 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: It's very eerie. 328 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: And then I do love like the wheel is the 329 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: cereingel is gorgeous. I mean it almost looks like a 330 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: BMW steering wheel. It does, but it has avoided being 331 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: as large as modern BMW steering wheel. 332 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: You've got these n shortcut button. You have NNGB. That's 333 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 2: the what was that n. 334 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: N grin boost. Yeah, and that's how you get your 335 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: six forty one for ten seconds. 336 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, from it goes from six hundred and one horse 337 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: power to six and forty one, So next forty horse 338 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: power boost for ten seconds. For ten seconds, that's it. 339 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: But there are so many features and options. And look 340 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: at this menu here that we're going through. This an 341 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: launch control and shift which is the fake eight speed 342 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: and actors Salwich is the fake exhaust. So moving on 343 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 2: the end, Drift Optimizer. 344 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: That's the one that keeps us drifting. That's the one 345 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: that Andrew was talking about on the lake that made 346 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: him a champion drifting. 347 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: Only available in rear drive mode and ESC is Minimized 348 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: Stability Control. N race mode is for track driving. 349 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that one allows you to discharge the battery. 350 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: Is if you're only going out for a quick lap 351 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: time or if you're going out for a long session. 352 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: That's sprinting endurance. 353 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: And you can adjust the torque front and rear. Ok So, yeah, 354 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: there's a little fly. Look at that. Oh my god, 355 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: let's activate it. 356 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: So let's go to E shift and turn on the 357 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: eight speed, the virtual eight speed. Hit activate on the screen. Okay, Oh, 358 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: and now it's a commoner. Look at that, Eddie, listen 359 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: to that. 360 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 2: It is a video game. It totally is a game. Wow. 361 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: That's wild. And like you said, it's only playing it 362 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: for us inside, it's not playing it out. 363 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: Can hear it outside? 364 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 6: Wow? 365 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: That is wild. Maybe you will never upset a neighbor. 366 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: It's quiet all the time. 367 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. And these seats too, are much more highly Yeah, they're. 368 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: Not hard to get it out of. If they're easy 369 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: to get it out of. And there's tons of bowl strings. 370 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: You've got tons of shoulder support. 371 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: Nice wing. You can wear your stets in in this baby. 372 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: Shall we try it out? 373 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: Then? Yeah? 374 00:16:53,560 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 6: Let's drive it all right? 375 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: You know it's funny, even though if you don't like 376 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: the idea of all this fake sound. It's really cool. 377 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: Sound it sound right, it's really cool. 378 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: A fake gearbox has done so convincingly. 379 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: You have to be impressed and seduced by it a little. Right, 380 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: it sounds great, it feels great. 381 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: I did not I haven't driven this car until today. 382 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: I did not expect it to be this convincing. I mean, 383 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: it feels like there's an icy engine underneath you, and 384 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 1: there feels like there's an eight speed and. 385 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: Let's not forget and icy with Lamborghini power exactly in 386 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: a Hyundai. Now, this thing is a lot more expensive 387 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 2: than the base Ionic five. It's sixty eight grand, yeah 388 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 2: to start. 389 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: So over twenty thousand dollars more than the bass Ionic five. 390 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: But the performance is pretty ridiculous. It's three seconds to sixty. 391 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's super cool. It feels like the 392 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: power delivery is not like an EV No, it is 393 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: absolutely this is really wild, like an icy car wild. 394 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: And you don't have to really feel guilty about, you know, 395 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: downshifting and keeping it at quote unquote four thy five 396 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: hundred rpm all day long either. Right, All right, let's 397 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: turn off the E shift for a second and see 398 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: how it is this a regular EV and it's still 399 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: making the noise because we have an active sound on. 400 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:45,360 Speaker 2: But the torque delivery feels much more like an EV, right. 401 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it'll just pull on that one 402 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: gear forever. 403 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: So how does it do it. 404 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: I think they just have all the software written so 405 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: that the electric motor is delivering torque in the same 406 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: way that an IC engine would wild so it's like software. 407 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 2: It's detuned. This is so weird. 408 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 1: We're so plugged into the matrix. 409 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so weird. But again, it's like in the 410 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 2: earliest days of the car, people would have to walk 411 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: in front of cars with flags. 412 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: Right exactly. 413 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 2: This is kind of like that. You know, that's the 414 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: old technology persists in the new one. 415 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 1: But it's also I mean, you can do it both ways. 416 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: You can play with this as a regular EV, or 417 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: you can play with it as with an eighth speed 418 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: and a fake for cylinder engine under the hood. 419 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 2: It's truly what makes it like a video game to me. 420 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if more performance evs went this route. 421 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 2: I hope they do, because, as you say, you know, 422 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: on paper, it really sounds like a gimmick, but when 423 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 2: you get in the car and you experience it, You're like, oh, 424 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 2: this is what my car does. Yeah, yeah, and it 425 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 2: gives it a lot of character. It's a different mode. 426 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 2: It's a cool drive mode that's very concrete and distinct 427 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: from the regular EV modes. 428 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: And it feels authentic, it feels real. And why not 429 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: give me a V twelve Lamborghini engine? 430 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 5: Right? 431 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: Why are we stopping at trend? Right? And yeah, I 432 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 2: know there's a lot of corporate pride, but come on, 433 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 2: but how about like a Colombo V twelve. 434 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: How about Colombo's pougio. 435 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 2: For oh good, good call man. 436 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: Well, now we're in evolution. 437 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 2: I don't like it as much. This is weird. Just 438 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,719 Speaker 2: sounds like an ev that's broken. 439 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: It sounds like there's somebody's vacuuming in the other room. 440 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: Okay, let's get out of this. Let's go to supersonic. Okay, 441 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:34,399 Speaker 2: this is the jet noise. 442 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the oh yeah, this one sounds like 443 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: there's a there's a small jet engine a few rooms. 444 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 2: Over, like an A three twenty on takeoff. 445 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: Because it's a lot quieter. And these are adjustable for 446 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: sound as well. You can you can crank up the 447 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: sound on these it's not long enough, too many adjustments. Okay, 448 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: there's somebody vacuuming nearby. Let's go back to this. 449 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the best one. It is the best one. 450 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: Or you can turn it completely off and just listen 451 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: to the sweet sounds of nothing. Go back, and then 452 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,479 Speaker 1: when you use launch control you can dial in how 453 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: much grip there is. You can go from high, medium 454 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: to low. 455 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: Why would you want low? 456 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: The stability control system optimizes for it, like if you 457 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: try to do it on the slippery surface, it won't 458 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: introduce as much torque immediately. And this is all we'll 459 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: drive do. But that's just how much power this thing is. 460 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: Let's go to turn an E shift on again. 461 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 2: I think i'd get task overload in this car. 462 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: There's a lot going on. You can lock in a 463 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: bunch of your settings into the end modes, but still 464 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. I wish there was one 465 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: button just to turn on the eight speed transmission and 466 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: the sound. So the skip has just a giant three 467 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: hundred foot radius circle and most cars, when you drive 468 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: around it, the front tires give up first. That's understeer. 469 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: But in this car, the test team came back and 470 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: was like, I've never driven a car like that on 471 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: the skid pad. It just oversteered. It just wanted to 472 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: drift the entire time. 473 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 2: And you can control the drift. 474 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's all programmable. 475 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 2: It's amazing. 476 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: It's all part of the simplit. 477 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: That's amazing. And it's a heavy, heavy car, it is. 478 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: It's almost five thousand pounds. I think it's like forty 479 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: eight and change, right. 480 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, but at least it's big, you know, at least spacious. 481 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: I've taken a regular Ionic five to Ikea and I 482 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: fit a lot of stuff in the car because it 483 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: basically has an suv shape. 484 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 2: It's just a little bit so right. Yeah, it's like GTI. 485 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: Were in first gear right now, just creeping around. 486 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: I mean, they. 487 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: Could really tune this to drive like any car. But 488 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: I imagine they should give me more modes, but just 489 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: make it easier to cycle through them. So now we're 490 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: in eighth gear. The engine while the tachometer is turning 491 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,919 Speaker 1: over fourteen hundred rpm and im floor it. Yeah, and 492 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 1: it just lugs along just like it as if it 493 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: was an a laundra n in eighth gear. 494 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 2: And this is a much stiffer structure than the regular 495 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 2: ionic Like there's like forty two additional welding points. There's 496 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 2: almost seven feet of additional structural adhesives. Making it stiff 497 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: is really important for the suspension to do its optimal job. 498 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: It's even the tachometer. You can hear sort of the 499 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: idle bouncing as if it's got a really hot canon 500 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: or something. 501 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a very welcome con you know, it is. 502 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: It's very true, good tasting poison. 503 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 7: The verbal. 504 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 2: No, this thing is set up pretty damp stuff too. 505 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 6: It is. 506 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: I was gonna go around art de facto a skip 507 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: bad year. It's got tons of grit. Body control is good. 508 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: The steering feels terrific. Getting some mid corner bumps here nice. 509 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I am fooled. I am completely fooled. 510 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 8: This is really metal, you man, this is really amazing. Wow, 511 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 8: way to go, and all right, well done. 512 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 2: I mean, they really know how to tune a car. 513 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, and stacular, and they know what a car is 514 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: supposed to feel like, yeah, I'm gonna take a turn 515 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: at it. 516 00:24:46,440 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 2: Can't be fooled by this. Oh yeah, you get a 517 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: little vibration through the pedal. It's weird. It's like it 518 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,640 Speaker 2: feels authentic. It does, and you can just have it. 519 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: You can have it earwaight like burger. 520 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 7: King dude, nuts no lift shift? Yeah is that why? 521 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? You definitely feel it in your inner ear. 522 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: But it's so much more fun to accelerate in this 523 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: than in a regular EV even though EV's are. 524 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 2: Brutally quick and with those auto down shifts. Dude, this 525 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 2: is great. And the breaks are solid. 526 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, the breaks are nice. It's got gigantic breaks. I 527 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: think there are fifteen point seven inch roders, but it. 528 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 2: Feels like completely friction breaking, like no region, right. 529 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: I mean, they spent a lot of time. There were many, many, 530 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: many prototype drives of this metal. How long the development. 531 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 2: Took, but it worked. And I've always been so impressed 532 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 2: by what they do in the end shop. You know, 533 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 2: they really take their cars up, you know, several notches. 534 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 2: How much have we depleted the battery since we started? 535 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,639 Speaker 1: I think we're at like eighty five percent. Okay, a 536 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: couple of hard excels. 537 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 2: You know, you can get all the hockey gear and 538 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 2: the kids in the back, and that's something you don't 539 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 2: normally get in a performance car. You get in a 540 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 2: performance suv, but there are real trade offs for an 541 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 2: internal combustion performance suv because all the masses are high, 542 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: whereas here they're all low and centered between the axles. 543 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 2: And it really is like the ULTI I met big GTI. 544 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the ultimate hot hatch. Yeah, exactly what I 545 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: was thinking. I can't think of any other hot hatch 546 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: that delivers this kind of performance. I think it was 547 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: three seconds to sixty eleven to one in the quarter 548 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: at one hundred and twenty three miles an hour. It's 549 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: just ridiculous that before wild and it's not boring. I'm 550 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: not bored by this car. 551 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 2: How can you be? That's just so awesome. Now it's 552 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: throwing all kinds of warning mites and coats. 553 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: Well, you just leap onto traffic so quickly and doesn't 554 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: know what to do. 555 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm using the reach end panels to shift, which 556 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 2: I like. That's a very sort of natural intuitive experience. 557 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: But kudo's to Hyundai for doing this first. Right. Everybody 558 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: else has sort of like played at the idea, has 559 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: discussed I don't know, maybe we'll do that. I think 560 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: Toyota was playing with a manual transmission, but here it 561 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: is and it works, and. 562 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 2: I'm fooled, so smart, I'm totally fooled, and I'm happy 563 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: to be fooled. It's like a very much an idealized 564 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 2: version of an internal combustion car with all the smoothness 565 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:16,359 Speaker 2: of an EV but the sound and the fury of 566 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 2: the experience. Yes, but it's kind of the best of 567 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 2: both worlds. 568 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can have both. 569 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: All right, I'm buy this. 570 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: So that was way too much fun. But how did 571 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: they actually do it? Good question? 572 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 2: Coming up, we'll chat with Hyundai product planner Andre Ravinovich 573 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 2: about how they brought the all new Ionic five N, 574 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 2: the N Active and the NE Shift systems to life. 575 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: Welcome back to car and drivers into Cars. 576 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: Our guest today is Andre Ravinovich. Andrey is a senior 577 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: product planner in charge of the Hundai Ionic five N, 578 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: and he's agreed to answer some of our lingering questions. 579 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to into Cars, Andre. 580 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 5: Hi, Tony, good to be here. 581 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: I'm excited. 582 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 9: It's obviously a really exciting car that I'm happy to 583 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 9: be a part of, and I'm excited to talk more 584 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 9: about it. 585 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: So we've just experienced N Active Sound and n E Shift, 586 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: the way these systems fool you into thinking that this 587 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: electric car has an internal combustion engined under the hood 588 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: is so convincing it's leading me into an existential crisis. 589 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: Who had the brilliant idea of N active sound and 590 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: N E shift. 591 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 9: So, you know, in talking to some of the engineers 592 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 9: in Korea, nomyank right, I think there is really no 593 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 9: benchmark for this car is how they approached it, and 594 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 9: they want to look at it, find a way to 595 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 9: create a product and create a performance EV model that 596 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 9: kind of allow that bridge for enthusiasts to get into 597 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 9: something that's in the EV and become engaged and happy 598 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 9: about driving. Me personally, for example, a lot of times 599 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 9: I saw evs as not necessarily end of the world, 600 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 9: but not the most engaging things to be a part of, right, 601 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 9: And I think that was the approach for those two features, 602 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 9: is to beat almost like a key bridge feature for 603 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 9: enthusiasts to be really engaged with EV vehicles. 604 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: One of the things about evs is that they've sort 605 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 2: of taken acceleration out of the equation and you guys 606 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 2: have put it back, you know, with six hundred and 607 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 2: one horse power and the way that that power is 608 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: delivered through the kind of fake shift mode. It really 609 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 2: feels just staggeringly quick, but it doesn't have the kind 610 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 2: of torque characteristics of a classic EV. There's a bit 611 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 2: of a ramp up to the torque delivery, right. 612 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 9: Yeah, So every single gear in that kind of simulated 613 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 9: any shifts function has its own torque curve. So it's 614 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 9: a combination obviously of kind of simulating that build up 615 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 9: you would have in tor kind of a peak as 616 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 9: you get to the top end of the gear, and 617 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 9: that kind of transition to the next gear obviously is 618 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 9: a combination between playing around I guess with the primeters 619 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 9: of the motor as well as actually the regen So 620 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 9: the regen system of the car helps to simulate that 621 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 9: kind of shift shock fuel a normal car transmission, that 622 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 9: transition between one gear and another is really could theoretically 623 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 9: be really smooth if there wasn't a clutch or if there 624 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 9: was any kind of channical componentary to it. Right, you're 625 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 9: just shifting torque curves essentially, and I think that that 626 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 9: addition of the combination of playing around I guess with 627 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 9: the motor parameters and the regen system bring back that 628 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 9: kind of mechanical shift shock feel, which makes them really 629 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 9: engaging to drive. 630 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: So it sounds like you could do anything. So you 631 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: could do anything from like a Ferrari V twelve to 632 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: an unmuffled tau Va to a Geometro even have you 633 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: considered programming different cars as an option? I would pay 634 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: a lot extra if I had that in my Ionic five. 635 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 9: N Yeah, you know, that's something that's been commonly asked 636 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 9: of us recently. I think it's something that would be 637 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 9: relatively easy to do. I think we want to start 638 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 9: with the sounds that we have in the car now, 639 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 9: and we'll have to see what comes in the future. 640 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 9: Like you said, it could be anything, and to be 641 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 9: something that I think personally would be very exciting for 642 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 9: customers to be able to kind of pick and choose. 643 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 9: And you can tailor other parameters of the car, not 644 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 9: just the sound. You can tailor the shifting right. Instead 645 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 9: of simulating an eight speed dual clutch, why couldn't you 646 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 9: simulate a five speed manual right and have a longer 647 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 9: transition between gears right. It doesn't necessarily have to be 648 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 9: a very fast DCT. So yeah, I think that that's 649 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 9: actually the excitement of what this opportunity brings right. I 650 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 9: think this to us is just the beginning. 651 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 2: It's a big car, it's a heavy car, but it's 652 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 2: great on the track. And have you measured lap times 653 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 2: with and without an E shift enabled? 654 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 5: Me personally, I have not. 655 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 9: We did an event at Luguna Seka about a month 656 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 9: or so ago and we had some of our drivers 657 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 9: that are actually running Pike's Peak in about a month 658 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 9: or so. They obviously had a lot of track time 659 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 9: and drove the car both ways with and without any shift, 660 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 9: and I think, as you would expect without an E 661 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,239 Speaker 9: shift is obviously faster, but I think the feedback from 662 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 9: them was it's actually more engaging to have the N 663 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 9: shift on. It also helps you on track because it 664 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 9: helps put in perspective where you are on the course 665 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 9: and entry speeds into corners right, all the things that 666 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 9: you typically would find that a normal gasoline car that 667 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 9: kind of get lost a little bit in evs right, 668 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 9: You get into a corner in then EV and you 669 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 9: kind of just go off thought. Obviously the regent is 670 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 9: going to kick in a little bit, but you don't 671 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 9: have that sense of like, am I going too deep 672 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 9: into a corner? 673 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: Am I? 674 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 2: You know? 675 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 5: Am I at the right breaking point. 676 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 9: I think the shifting kind of gives a sensible way 677 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 9: to know where you are right. 678 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 2: You don't have to say second guess yourself. You don't 679 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 2: have to predict how the regen is going to break 680 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 2: you into a corner. So I would think that it 681 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 2: would give you an extra measure of control and confidence. Definitely. 682 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 9: Now you mentioned regent and you know I said before 683 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 9: the regen is part of this an E shift function. 684 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 9: But the more I talked to some of the engineering 685 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 9: guys and Nommeo, I find how incredible amount of thought 686 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 9: went into all the details of all the features in 687 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,959 Speaker 9: this car. Typically, when you drive an EV you kind 688 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 9: of choose, you know, regen level like one, two, three. 689 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 9: As you're driving Ionic five N in any shift mode, 690 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 9: that level of regen is different depending what gear you're on, 691 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 9: And that's kind of similar to if you're driving a 692 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 9: gasoline car. If you're in a higher gear versus lower gear, 693 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 9: you have more engine breaking versus lge engine breaking depending 694 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 9: what vehicle speed and gear you're on. So that's all 695 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 9: played into that kind of adding the realism to this function. 696 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: Is there a part of the Ionic five N of 697 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: which you're particularly proud that you're like, well, yes, we 698 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: got that through. 699 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 9: I mean, you know, I think the NY shift is 700 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 9: obviously the star feature in many ways. I know we've 701 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 9: been talking a lot about it, but there's a lot 702 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 9: to it. I think one of the things that spent 703 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 9: a lot of focus on is getting that longevity of 704 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 9: the car. So I think one of the challenges with 705 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 9: EV's is being able to do, for example, multiple laps 706 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 9: consistently in a race course and be able to have 707 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 9: the consistency in speed, being able to have the consistency 708 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 9: and cooling performance and battery performance and motor output. And 709 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 9: I think this is another huge aspect of this car, 710 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 9: is how much differentiation there is to the five end 711 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 9: versus the regular five and focusing on cooling, and focusing 712 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 9: on track performance and continuity. 713 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: Andrea, is an E shift patented? Did you guys patent 714 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: this or is it open to everyone else in the 715 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: EV sphere now? Which is a great thing. I hope 716 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:36,800 Speaker 1: that's the answer. 717 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 5: That's a good question, And I honestly don't know. 718 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 9: I personally kind of hope that it, you know, as 719 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 9: much as I would love to protect it for ourselves, 720 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 9: I kind of hope that it's not. I think what's 721 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,200 Speaker 9: exciting about this car, and talking to a lot of 722 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,359 Speaker 9: the team and OMNIONG is that they wanted to kind 723 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,479 Speaker 9: of set not only a benchmark, but kind of set 724 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 9: the starting point right. They know the five end is amazing, 725 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 9: but they know it's not perfect. And I think everybody's 726 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 9: excited about what this could bring to EV's in general. 727 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: That's exactly how how we felt about it. Immediately. We 728 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: were like, yes, we're part of the matrix now and 729 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: we're down with it. 730 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 9: To me, it's so exciting that evs are so configurable. Essentially, 731 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 9: you can do anything right. You can detune the power 732 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 9: on this car, you can shift toward front the rear, 733 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,880 Speaker 9: you can simulate a real, real drive car. Tony, you 734 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 9: asked earlier about different sounds, right, It just blows my mind, 735 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 9: like how much opportunity there is for the future of 736 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 9: what we can do with cars like this. 737 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: The mixing board has a lot of knobs on dre Yeah, definitely. 738 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,280 Speaker 2: And I know that the team stiff in this car 739 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 2: tremendously versus the regular Ionic five and it does really 740 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 2: have a very compliant fluid suspension. What else did you 741 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: do to the suspension aside from stiffening the chassis to 742 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 2: make it work better. 743 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,279 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was actually quite a lot. 744 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 9: There's a significant amount of difference between the regular five 745 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 9: and the five N different suspension layout, obviously different dampers. 746 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 9: They're also dynamic dampers. The ability to kind of obviously 747 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 9: shift damping characteristic the platform itself, the body and white. 748 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 9: It's solf a lot more welding points, a lot more 749 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 9: structural adhesives. Typically a lot of times you find derivatives 750 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,359 Speaker 9: like this of another product, you don't have this level 751 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 9: of change. 752 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: So we've had a few product planners on the show 753 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,319 Speaker 1: this season. Tell us a little bit about your job 754 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: and what your day to day activities are like in 755 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: product planning. 756 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 9: It's funny you mentioned day to day, right, and that's 757 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 9: what I love about the job. There is no day 758 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 9: to day. I'm responsible for a few products in the 759 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 9: Honday lineup, and what's amazing about this type of role 760 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 9: is that you have a chance to kind of shape 761 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 9: the future of products, which is essentially the goal of 762 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 9: the team, and shape the future of products, not just 763 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 9: for what we think, right, because if it was up 764 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 9: to meet, it's the running joke they would all be 765 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 9: brown manual station wagons. But you know, obviously we have 766 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 9: to shape the products for what we need them to 767 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 9: be to be successful in the US market. We work 768 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 9: very closely hand in hand with the R and D side, 769 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 9: with the engineering teams both in Korea here in the US, 770 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 9: do a lot of you know, benchmarking and testing and 771 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 9: ride and drive evaluations here in the US as well 772 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 9: as with the design team in Korea. That to me 773 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 9: personally is one of my most favorite aspects of the 774 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 9: role is having a chance to go to Korea and 775 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 9: see the models throughout the different of development and have 776 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,759 Speaker 9: a chance to kind of give the US market voice 777 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 9: an employ a lot of times, being the biggest market 778 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,920 Speaker 9: in the world for certain products, we have a very 779 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 9: strong voice. We have a chance to kind of truly 780 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 9: shape the product for what we want to be. And 781 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 9: you see that in some of the recent Honda launches 782 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,080 Speaker 9: like Santa Fe for example, that was you know, a 783 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 9: big push from the US market to get what we 784 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 9: want for the US on that product. 785 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,360 Speaker 2: What's next for the N division? Where does it go 786 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 2: from here? 787 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 9: I think the team sees this it's just a start. 788 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 9: There's a lot of lofty goals for what we want 789 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 9: to achieve with Island five N like the end e 790 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 9: shift is a great example. It's something that you know, 791 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,760 Speaker 9: honestly could have gotten the wrong one hundred different ways. 792 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 9: It could have been something that could have been seen 793 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 9: by a lot of people as just gimmicky, right. I remember, 794 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 9: for example, the first time I saw a CVT vehicle 795 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 9: with paddle shifters, I'm like why, And this could have 796 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 9: been the same thing. It could have been like why 797 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 9: bother So, I think seeing the possibilities and seeing what 798 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 9: we were able to do with this car, and seeing, 799 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 9: like we were talking before about what else could be 800 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 9: out there, and that kind of openness. Tony mentioned that 801 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 9: mixing knobs and the tuning board. I mean, it just 802 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 9: kind of an exciting time, right to kind of see 803 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 9: what's next. 804 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we were skeptical, but then you get 805 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 2: in the car and you experience it and you realize 806 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 2: just how entertaining and gratifying it is to drive. 807 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: It's the best DCT I've ever driven, and it's not 808 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,240 Speaker 1: even a DCT. 809 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 5: And tomorrow we can make it a six pe manual 810 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 5: if we want. 811 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,439 Speaker 2: It to right right exactly, And just to give back 812 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 2: a little bit to this question of M, like, are 813 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,759 Speaker 2: the ambitions to make it a full range option? Is 814 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,360 Speaker 2: it going to be like BMW's M division or AMG 815 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 2: where every Mercedes or BMW has an AMG variant? What 816 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 2: is the philosophy? 817 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 9: I think for now, the philosophy has always been picked 818 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 9: the right product that it fits with where the market 819 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 9: is going next, where some of the trends are going next. 820 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 9: I guess in this case, you know, Ionic five being 821 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 9: an SUV type of a product, I think that kind 822 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 9: of fit you know, the market in some ways. I 823 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 9: don't know if I see it as being something that's 824 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 9: a crossing entire lineup. I think it's something that it 825 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 9: needs to be the right product for it to fit 826 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 9: well with the core goals of every end product. The 827 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 9: duality right being kind of an everyday sports cars we 828 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 9: like to call it, as well as being something that 829 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 9: can't be actually track focused, and not every product could 830 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 9: do that right. So I think there's probably some others 831 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 9: in our lineup that you could maybe see that that 832 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 9: would make sense. But I don't know if every product 833 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 9: it would be right for this. 834 00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: Andre, what was your first car? 835 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 9: I originally grew up in Brazil and My grandfather had 836 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 9: a few cars, some older, some newer ones, and we 837 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 9: had a Chevrolet station wagon was a nineteen seventy seven 838 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 9: in Brazil called a caravan, so if you look that up, 839 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 9: it kind of looks like an Impala type of a wagon. 840 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 9: And he actually taught me to drive that when I 841 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 9: was I want to say I was seven or eight 842 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 9: years old actually, you know, in Brazil, like most cars 843 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 9: at the time, they were all manual transmission. And I 844 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,920 Speaker 9: think by eight or nine, I want to say, I 845 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 9: was driving it around the streets in the neighborhood by myself, 846 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 9: which was awesome, a big massive alcohol field, you know, 847 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 9: Brazil has a lot of gasoline and alcohol, like dual 848 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 9: field cars and kind of a fun car still to 849 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 9: this deck and remember the smells inside that car. 850 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 2: So you had your first car when you were seven, Yeah. 851 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,120 Speaker 5: And I have pictured to prove it. I pictured to 852 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 5: prove Yeah. 853 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: If I'd known that when I was seven, I would 854 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: have moved to Brazil. 855 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 5: Things are a little bit different there. 856 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. 857 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 9: And then obviously move moving here to the US and 858 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,439 Speaker 9: I was eleven, so obviously couldn't touch cars for a while. 859 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 9: But my true first car here in the US was 860 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 9: an Eagle Talent turbo. 861 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, it. 862 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 5: Was a ninety one. Eagle bought it a great price. 863 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 5: It had its quirks, had its issues. 864 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 9: After a few let's say, challenges we have with the 865 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,760 Speaker 9: power train that you had to keep the air conditioning 866 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 9: going otherwise it would stall, which was great for Pennsylvania winters. 867 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 5: You know. 868 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 9: The compressor would keep those RPMs just at the right 869 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 9: amount so that it wouldn't stall at a red light 870 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,640 Speaker 9: because it was an empty So it was it was 871 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,240 Speaker 9: fun cool. 872 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: Thanks Andre, Thanks for your time, Thanks for joining us 873 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: into cars and answering all of our questions. 874 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 2: This was great. Thanks Andre, that was great. 875 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 9: You know, as you can talk big enthusiasts. Loved talking 876 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 9: about products in general. And I think the five N 877 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,840 Speaker 9: is a pretty fantastic car that you know. Like I said, 878 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,399 Speaker 9: just to start, I think we're all excited to see 879 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:54,319 Speaker 9: where this goes next. 880 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:55,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, keep it going. 881 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: Thank you. 882 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 2: That interview was brought to you by Ebaymotors. Visit ebaymotors 883 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:03,760 Speaker 2: dot com for more. 884 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 1: Car friends. The Hundai Ionic five end shocked and surprised 885 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: us with its ability to be a great electric vehicle, 886 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: but it also mimics a really fun and engaging car 887 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 1: with an internal combustion engine. All of the fake stuff works. 888 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: The sound might not be great, but it's the first 889 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 1: electric vehicle that can do that, and I hope that 890 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: dual nature spreads to more evs. 891 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, this thing really does it all, and I love 892 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,680 Speaker 2: that dual nature. I was really skeptical before this episode 893 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 2: going in about the fake engine sounds and the fake 894 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,800 Speaker 2: shift points, but it really turned me around and convinced 895 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,959 Speaker 2: me that this is a compelling way to engineer an EV. 896 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: For more on the Hyundai Ionic five end, visit Car 897 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 1: and Driver dot com and be sure to pick up 898 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,239 Speaker 1: the latest issue of Car and Driver magazine. 899 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 2: Tune in next week for our season one finale, where 900 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,280 Speaker 2: we go off roading in the reinvented Toyota land Cruiser. 901 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,839 Speaker 2: Are you locked up? Are we already stuck in here? 902 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,040 Speaker 1: It's quickly going to turn into a lost scenario. I 903 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: know we've died in hearing this offload park for the 904 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: rest of our existence. 905 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us on Car and Drivers Into Cars. 906 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 2: If you enjoyed the show, join us every week for 907 00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,720 Speaker 2: new episodes, and don't forget to rate and review wherever 908 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 2: you listen. To podcasts. 909 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: Car and Drivers Into Cars is a production of Car 910 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: and Driver and iHeartMedia's Ruby Studio. Our show is hosted 911 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: by Eddie Alterman and myself, Tony ki Rogo. Our executive 912 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 1: producer is Matt Romano. Our EP of Post Production is 913 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: Matt Stillo. 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