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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well. All right, rain Drops, we are back

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Speaker 1: for another installment of the Braxton's recapin I am joined,

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Speaker 1: of course by Dustin and we got Blue.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we do. Happy to have you Blue.

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Speaker 3: Thank you guys for having me.

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Speaker 4: This has been so.

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Speaker 2: Fun, hasn't it.

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Speaker 5: It's been a great time in the way you'd be

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Speaker 5: breaking this shit all the way down.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. We're gonna start.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna behave this week.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna behave. I promise, I'm gonna be so so

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Speaker 3: so behaved.

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Speaker 5: No Burning Blue this week, I'm gonna start calling you

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Speaker 5: burning Blue like that Mariah song, like.

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I actually love me too.

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Speaker 5: Is gorgeous. She needs to write for other people to fun.

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Speaker 5: Fact she writes all of the music by herself.

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Speaker 3: Performers.

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Speaker 4: Wait, waits, you didn't know that?

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Speaker 5: No, And so I have like a tremendous amount of

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Speaker 5: respect for Mariah the scientists now because the lyrics are

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Speaker 5: actually what drew me into her music in the place.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Just told my age I thought we were talked about

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Speaker 1: Mariah Carey.

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Speaker 4: Oh us, okay, look at you. That's blue.

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Speaker 3: You've ever said, are you serious?

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Speaker 2: Blue?

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Speaker 4: Blue Blue? I know I have the face of a

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Speaker 4: twenty five year old.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 6: Rich, but blue blue, that's look at it? Doesn't have said,

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Speaker 6: Oh you did know that? Like I thought, Carre wrote

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Speaker 6: her song not me and.

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Speaker 7: Me another Mariah with with with bad tasting Ben who

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Speaker 7: gossip on on jail birds.

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Speaker 5: That Mariah we knew Mariah Carrey got down with that

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Speaker 5: p Mariah Carry clicked that big so fast and write

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Speaker 5: ahead on your ass.

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Speaker 2: Expediously all that.

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Speaker 5: Ship, big three syllable one marriage. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: I love all right Carry. But yeah, I was so surprised.

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Speaker 5: Shout out to Mariah a scientists and her skills with

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Speaker 5: the pen. I did not know that she wrote all

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Speaker 5: that music by herself.

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Speaker 3: I was impressed the stronger than the Yeah, oh I

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Speaker 3: just heard it.

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Speaker 4: Oh people I dated back in the day, I gotta

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Speaker 4: you know what you're strong.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I said, I was my line. Okay, so yeah,

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Speaker 3: the is up. Let's do this.

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Speaker 4: Let's do this.

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Speaker 7: My mercury is an aries. I communicate like an aries.

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Speaker 7: Even when I'm being soft, I might knock all this

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Speaker 7: shit over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I love that. I feel seen. I know.

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Speaker 4: I am constantly around aries.

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because back in the day it was

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Speaker 1: all scorpios. My ax is a scorpio. I my my look,

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Speaker 1: my ex best friend. Of all these years of scorpio,

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Speaker 1: I've always been around scorpios. But nowadays, at my big age,

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Speaker 1: I'm surrounded by aries, and I gotta say one thing

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Speaker 1: of my areas that I do love.

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Speaker 4: You guys are beautifully honest.

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Speaker 2: I'm an.

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Speaker 3: I don't claim the aries in me. I fight it

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Speaker 3: every day.

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Speaker 2: Come on over to the dark side.

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Speaker 4: I'm oh, I know what it is. I don't.

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Speaker 1: Dust's in a mood because I forgot dust. It is

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Speaker 1: gay our day after five, p yo, let's.

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Speaker 2: Get it all.

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Speaker 5: It's the weekend. You know the motto all you do

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Speaker 5: is this is the motto for the whole weekend.

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Speaker 3: About or whatever this is before you let it out.

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Speaker 4: I like mood.

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Speaker 2: You want my schedule? You know my schedule. You know

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know your schedules.

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Speaker 7: But no Dustin you and the other finance black men.

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Speaker 7: I saw y'all on that stage. I was very related.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, ste I got my life. That's my boy.

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Speaker 5: Shout out to Obio Jones, Shout out to Deontay Kyle,

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Speaker 5: and shout out to my boy Steve Sanders. And the

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Speaker 5: biggest shout out goes to the beautiful and name and

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Speaker 5: he for giving us her platform to have a great conversation.

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Speaker 5: Shout out to everybody at Revolt. That was a really

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Speaker 5: dope experience. Thank you for for knowing that. Blue, I

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Speaker 5: appreciate that. Thank you for watching.

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Speaker 4: And just to tell the range Jos where they can

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Speaker 4: watch it.

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Speaker 5: So if you go to YouTube to the Revolt YouTube

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Speaker 5: channel and you look up The People's Brief, the name

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Speaker 5: of the show is The People's Brief by Lene Venie.

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Speaker 5: And we were so blessed to be able to moderate

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Speaker 5: a discussion on black masculinity and the many facets and

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Speaker 5: dynamics of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we really just scratched the surface. So hopefully we

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Speaker 2: get to do it again. But it was really great,

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Speaker 2: great group of guys, great minds. You know.

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Speaker 5: I like being around smart people. I was just soaking

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Speaker 5: it up. I was a sponge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we got up in there, didn't we. It was good.

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Speaker 5: So, you know, it was a great experience. And I

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Speaker 5: love working like that in that capacity. I love being

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Speaker 5: able to share ideas and kind of just just put

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Speaker 5: a conversation out into the world that's gonna make motherfuckers

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Speaker 5: be better.

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Speaker 2: So I was grateful.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Blue, Thank you to everybody who was a

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Speaker 5: huge Thank you to Lena, Thank you beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: So you guys been watching that, and apparently a lot

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Speaker 1: of people are watching our Braxton's recap, including some family

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Speaker 1: members all the legends.

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Speaker 4: So and you see, is anybody happy?

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Speaker 7: Did anybody call the lady afterwards and maybe do some introspection?

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Speaker 4: People are watching.

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Speaker 3: I'm used to it. I don't mind it. Let's do it.

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Speaker 6: Check the table, Blue, how has your feed been?

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Speaker 1: Because listen, Dustin, uh his name is Dustin. I don't

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Speaker 1: recomments rass. So it's so Dustin is far removed from it.

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Speaker 1: He is used to being the topic of conversation, but

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Speaker 1: Blue being introduced into this wild world of recapping the

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Speaker 1: our finale that aired tonight.

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Speaker 4: But how has a feedback ben for you?

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Speaker 1: Because doesn't I said this to you earlier? We really

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Speaker 1: do appreciate your educational ways of dissecting the dynamics of

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Speaker 1: this sibling robbery that's occurring.

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Speaker 4: On this show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 4: Have you beginning any dms?

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. I feel like the people who

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Speaker 7: You know, I'm very consistent. Those who are new to me,

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Speaker 7: I will say this. I am compassionate, not nice, like

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Speaker 7: niceness is performative. Nice by definition, simply means I want

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Speaker 7: to be agreeable and stroke your ego. I'm a self

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Speaker 7: mastery coach who specializes in ego death. So just because

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Speaker 7: you're mad at me, does it mean something good's not

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Speaker 7: still happening?

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Speaker 1: I hire you to just follow me around life and

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Speaker 1: to talk to me about every move I make.

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Speaker 7: Oh what's his name? Jonathan Major tried to hire me.

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Speaker 7: I was like, sir, I got I got too much

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Speaker 7: going on. Wait, it's an exclusive we're be had to pay. Well, okay, yes,

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Speaker 7: there's a long list of people who have pulled me

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Speaker 7: aside what a dollar and said please help me.

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Speaker 2: That's a compliment. Blue means a huge one. Yeah. That

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Speaker 5: People are like, you know what, I'm willing to be

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Speaker 5: vulnerable to her. That means you the ship and he's huge.

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing. Everybody is human.

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Speaker 7: So I see all the sisters as human beings, which

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Speaker 7: is why whenever we try to teat treat them like

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Speaker 7: purely victims or purely superstars, I clock out because to me,

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Speaker 7: all I see is human beings going through human ship.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, and that's watching yeah no, listen, listen, listen.

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Speaker 1: On aside, I will say this, the one thing I

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Speaker 1: always pride this podcast or doing is working with people

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Speaker 4: Just being honest.

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Speaker 1: And you didn't have to even say it, but I'm

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Speaker 1: glad you did because I think now we could frame

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Speaker 1: it that way. The three of us, including Claudia, Ebony

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Speaker 1: get a lot of dms from people who we do

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Speaker 2: That's what's up.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 2: Ain't nobody here trying to hurt nobody.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of other places you can go to

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Speaker 5: for that type of content. Some people call it mess

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Speaker 5: it's just got some content or whatever. And if that's

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Speaker 5: what you're into, cool, But that's is not what we

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Speaker 2: Over here. Sorry, So no, I'm glad.

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Speaker 1: So listen, let's get into this two our season finale

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Speaker 1: that I think may be called the series finale because look,

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Speaker 2: That show did not come back.

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Speaker 4: So what I it's sort of.

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Speaker 1: It sort of feels like and listen, I have no

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Speaker 1: insider information, because if I did, I would tell you all.

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Speaker 1: I think a two hour finale on this show indicates

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with all of you. We'd love

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Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts after watching this two hour season finale.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what the.

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Speaker 1: Next season of the show would feel like the difference

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Speaker 1: between a show like this from Housewives, Bell Collective Love

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Speaker 1: and Marriage Love and Hip Hop Batties, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean? Like the difference with these shows. Shout out

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Speaker 1: to Dustin Ross the difference with those shows. Everybody replaced

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Speaker 1: the Bow Family, isn't You can't do a show about

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Speaker 1: the Braxtons and not have the core group of the

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Speaker 1: I honestly, and Blue, I'm looking forward to your dissection

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Speaker 1: of this from a global educational standpoint. I don't see

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Speaker 1: a world where these sisters can film again and it'd

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well you brought up a very interesting POV on that,

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Speaker 5: was thinking, you know, Thanksgiving its next week. This show

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Speaker 2: You know, everything in the world, well in our.

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Speaker 5: Business typically shuts down after the fifteenth of November anyway,

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Speaker 5: So I was just like, maybe they're trying to expedite

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Speaker 5: they're going to have to create some sort of contractual

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Speaker 5: disjointed filming, it cannot be You're almost going to have

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Speaker 2: Entirety of the season.

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Speaker 5: That's what I think, because don't nobody want to watch

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Speaker 5: them reach your daddy? And I'll just put it like that.

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Speaker 5: I think Twanda spoke in some very final ways. She

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Speaker 5: used some words and phrasing that was very final, right Blue,

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Speaker 5: And I feel like that was premature because as you

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Speaker 5: feel like there is a pathway back, but it's going

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Speaker 5: I will, Carlos, because you make this shit.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, well, yeah, but to your point, will we'll

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Speaker 7: Yeah, go ahead, Blue, and the money is loud depending

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Speaker 7: on how much, but it depends on who the money

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Speaker 7: I did some research, you know, the anthropologist in me,

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Speaker 7: I said if there's some market research on what the

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Speaker 7: sentiment was we came for Tony, we stayed for Tamar.

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Speaker 1: Whoa I was studying everywhere I went.

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Speaker 3: It was the theme.

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Speaker 7: And I think everybody's having to sit with what that

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Speaker 7: some jokes about the Lilac and Doodoe Brown wedding, but

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Speaker 3: The wedding was.

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Speaker 7: Beautiful, beautiful wedding, right, And I will never jokes about

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Speaker 3: I think that's why she was like, well, there's no

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Speaker 7: And that's why the finality that that doesn't picked up

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Speaker 3: And here's the thing.

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Speaker 7: There's nothing wrong with one in your main character moments,

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Speaker 7: especially when it's your wedding. There's nothing wrong with wanting

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Speaker 7: It's just you guys know what I feel about cannibalizing

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Speaker 2: Evelyn cannibalizing them.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to keep it straight, saying.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to right now? I'm laughing at night.

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Speaker 5: I don't get the day I'm laughing, and that.

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Speaker 3: You want to keep that girl up.

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Speaker 4: Blue Blue.

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Speaker 6: I'll be good until Dunfin cracked a smile and laughed,

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Speaker 3: I'm just going over there trying to kill a black

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Speaker 7: Is the moment that made it clude to me that

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Speaker 7: Tony went to her mama and said, so, I'm gonna

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Speaker 7: go tell Twanda right that our sister had a medical

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Speaker 3: And the mother was like, Miss Evelin was like, girl,

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Speaker 3: I don't know about that.

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Speaker 7: Let me go talk to mister Rufus real quick and

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Speaker 7: get a little dancing like Miss Evelyn was saulst to

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Speaker 7: job that one scene. Miss Evelyn was not about it.

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Speaker 7: She was like, oh, girl, okay, y'all do nothing, y'all

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Speaker 7: why the matriarch figure and who's supposed to fix this

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Speaker 7: has never arisen and the closest we have is a

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Speaker 3: Those are my opening thoughts. Let me choll.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well, let's listen.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's dog into that, because again, I know

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Speaker 1: excuse me because I'm a respectful black man raising Detroit,

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Speaker 4: Listen, that scene is.

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Speaker 1: Indicative the dynamic of what's happening, and before we get

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Speaker 2: Which, by the way, he told me everything I needed

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Speaker 4: You are vindicated and.

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Speaker 1: So oh yeah, they call that a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm just waiting till we get there. That's it. I'm

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Speaker 2: just waiting till we get there. We can't hear you

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Speaker 2: those Carlos.

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Speaker 7: Your voice went out. See they got one. They got

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Speaker 7: one of the Braxton lawyers to turn off your mic friend.

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Speaker 7: You be careful.

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Speaker 2: It's some damn airprids.

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Speaker 3: Oh he is high tech. Yeah, and that microphone.

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Speaker 7: I wonder where he got that microphone from.

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Speaker 5: Ye, I don't know, changing colors and ship Okay, this

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Speaker 5: grady and ass microphone. Where you get this from?

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Speaker 3: I like you can hear you, you and your fancy

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Speaker 3: micro still. Oh he's on mute. Well that's just mute.

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Speaker 4: My bad. We're back.

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Speaker 2: Yay, we're back.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 1: Technical difficulties Okay, sorry, it's the spirit of a Braxton

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 4: So we I will say is this what I will say?

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Speaker 2: Is this.

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 8: No, apologized because you yaked my wing.

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Speaker 4: That We'll get to that. That was easy. We'll get

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Speaker 4: to that, okay, miss eval, Yes, sorry again.

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Speaker 1: We talked about how Tony Brackston said publicly, and these

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Speaker 1: just clocked it when Trina had to leave the wedding

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Speaker 4: So I'm glad they did lead. Tony was running around

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Speaker 1: The mom was like, nah, don't do it, and she did,

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Speaker 1: With all of that being said, in addition to the

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, do your thing, boo ladies.

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Speaker 5: First, you know what I'm saying, because it's simple for me,

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Speaker 5: It's a very simple answer.

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Speaker 3: I feel like.

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Speaker 7: Miss Evelyn is a slave to optics, and that there

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Speaker 3: Good on camera, and that she's kind of created this pact.

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Speaker 7: With the girls and as long as it looks good,

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Speaker 7: Don't embarrass the family. I think the need not to

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Speaker 7: Also to seeing how Miss Evelyn doesn't know how to

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Speaker 3: If nobody's just gonna stand up for you, it would

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Speaker 7: And even when they said, oh, we're crying over Tracy

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Speaker 3: Y'all include There's just all these things that.

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Speaker 3: I'll say this, I think miss Evelyn wasn't taught so

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00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 3: she couldn't teach it.

447
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 7: I think she wasn't taught how to be an individual

448
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 7: within the community, and so she didn't know how to

449
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 7: give that to her girls. And so the things that

450
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 7: she's normalized for herself, she's normalized in them. But unfortunately

451
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 7: for her, we're in a different time where people and

452
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 7: I have the Internet and they're like, wait a minute.

453
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 7: The therapist lady on TikTok said, I'm allowed to have

454
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 7: a voice and be a singular person, and she's kind

455
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,360
Speaker 7: of like, you know, chicken, little if I just turned

456
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 7: my head away, it's not there. But avoidance is not healing.

457
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 7: Avoidance is not healing, and I honestly I feel bad

458
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 7: that I feel like these girls don't have a mother.

459
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 7: They might just have a sixth or fifth sibling. It

460
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 7: doesn't feel like their mother is showing up as a matriarch.

461
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 7: And honestly too, I will say this, Can we all

462
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 7: just acknowledge even the people who hate Tamar, because I

463
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 7: know the saarapheop go on here who get mad, we

464
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 7: humanize Tamar? Can we all acknowledge that in that scene

465
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 7: that happened after she missed the wedding, the first thing

466
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 7: she said was how was the wedding? And how there's

467
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 7: something so vulnerable in asking that question as soon as

468
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 7: you see your sisters, because that's the little girl and

469
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 7: you saying, hey, I want to know what I missed

470
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 7: because I wasn't included. I want to know what I

471
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 7: missed because I wasn't included. And when Tony said are

472
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 7: you coming, she said I wasn't invited. And then Tony said,

473
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 7: well pride. I can't believe that's not pride, that's that's her,

474
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 7: that's discernment. Why would I show up in a space

475
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 7: where I'm not wanted even though I want to be there?

476
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 7: And so I I will say this, miss Evelyn disappoints

477
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 7: me deeply. And also, you can't talk about people's momas

478
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 7: without them getting defensive, and I fear that the girls

479
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 7: wanting to defend their mother will stop them from admitting

480
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 7: that their mother is a human being who failed them

481
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 7: in some ways. I think miss Evlin has failed them.

482
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, for me, it's pretty black and white, right, So

483
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 5: miss Evelyn is a black mother, black parent of a

484
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 5: certain age. The only two rules that people really had

485
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,959
Speaker 5: because there were so many external factors that they had

486
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 5: to prioritize, if for being honest, societal factors, right that

487
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 5: when it came to rearing their children and parenting their

488
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 5: children at that time, don't do what I tell you

489
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 5: to do and don't disrespect me. That's it, right, And

490
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 5: a lot of times any introspective conversations that really built

491
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 5: up your development or kind of challenged that in some

492
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 5: way that wasn't disrespectful, were deemed disrespectful and therefore it

493
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 5: did not happen. And I think that these women have

494
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 5: carried that rationale will call it right into the way

495
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 5: that they engage with their mama as adults. They still

496
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 5: even like Trina when they were having and whatever the

497
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 5: healing moment was that they had at the retreat, and

498
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 5: Trina was associating it was something that would contradict her faith.

499
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 5: There was a posturing of like defiance and I'm not

500
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 5: doing it because I was told no, i ain't and

501
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 5: like a fear based thing. That to me is the

502
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 5: same exact energy that they all have when it comes

503
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 5: to their mama. And I get it because you know,

504
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 5: I'm a black man of a certain age, right, and

505
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 5: so I understand it. But I also can understand how

506
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 5: that sort of allegiance to respect, and allegiance to a

507
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 5: certain model of respect, I say, can betray and be

508
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 5: detrimental to any sort of real progress, any sort of

509
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 5: real evolution, any sort of real development. Miss Evelyn today

510
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 5: is a completely different woman than she was when she

511
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 5: was an in home mother of those four young, five

512
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 5: young four young five five young ladies, you know what

513
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 5: I'm saying. And their brother, you know what I'm saying.

514
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 5: She ended up going through a divorce, She went through

515
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 5: a situation with some infidelity or her husband.

516
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: You know, he moved on.

517
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 5: Those are things that can cripple you, especially a mom,

518
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 5: someone who had devoted their life to being a wife,

519
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 5: a mother, and a figurehead in the church.

520
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

521
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 5: That's that completely uproots all of that, then your daughter

522
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 5: gets famous. You know what I'm saying. It's just a

523
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 5: lot of stuff to manage. And I think Miss Evelyn

524
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 5: is tired, y'all. I think she's tired. And I think

525
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 5: that instead of coddling that antiquated, archaic model of respect

526
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 5: and reverence for your parents, now is a better time

527
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 5: than ever to connect with their mama as women.

528
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

529
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 5: Tiwanda's newly married, Tamar's divorce and embarking on a new,

530
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 5: you know, chapter in her life. Trina has experienced the

531
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 5: loss of a partner and now you know, she's managing

532
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 5: her husband's health in addition to being a mama. We

533
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 5: don't know what's going on with Trina's sons because they're

534
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 5: not a part of this, So there's other shit she's

535
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 5: dealing with too that we don't even see her talk about.

536
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 5: You feel me? So I think Miss Evelyn just had

537
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 5: a lot to manage. And I think that it's time

538
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 5: for all the sisters to, like unlearned some things when

539
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 5: it comes to their level of transparency and the way

540
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 5: that they connect with their mother. And I think if

541
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 5: they dig a little deep, Miss Evelyn will feel comfortable

542
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 5: or maybe they can like break that.

543
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: Whatever their veil is, it's.

544
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 5: Keeping them from keeping it real, almost in the name

545
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 5: of being respectcause I'm mama taught us that.

546
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: I'm Mama taught us. Now we don't, we wouldn't talk like,

547
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: we wouldn't raise everything raised like that. She did say that, Yeah,

548
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: everything's framed like that, you know what I mean?

549
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 5: And nobody gives it damn about about that. I'm trying

550
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 5: to be respect respectful as possible. Nobody cares about how

551
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 5: y'all showed up with regard to the Black American model

552
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 5: of respect for your parents that we all understand and

553
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 5: it here too.

554
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: We get that.

555
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 5: But who are you you know what I'm saying, what's

556
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 5: really going on? And how are you going to work

557
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 5: towards resolution? That's what I see.

558
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: No, so I agree with the both of you. You know, obviously,

559
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: same thing raised by the same mom and dad of

560
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: my nine siblings. It's ten total, same household until my

561
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: mom passed away five six years ago.

562
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: Same house, three girls, seven boys.

563
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: There is this sort of veil and facade that one

564
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: has when you are raising children and you want the world,

565
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: the neighborhood to see you as one way when you're

566
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: really dealing with some real shit. So we be bossing

567
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: that and that is true. The thing about Miss Evelyn

568
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: that I don't think has ever truly been dissected. And

569
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: I really wanted Miss illanovan Zad when she was a

570
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: guest on the show. I really wanted her to focus

571
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: more on Evelyn than the daughters, because I do think

572
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: children you are sort of a product of your the

573
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: way you were raised in some cases not all this

574
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: some cases.

575
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 4: And one thing that I've always felt day.

576
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: One, because I've watched this show since season one and

577
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: I watched behavior, Miss Evelyn has never gotten over her

578
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: ex husband cheating on her. It is still written all

579
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: over her face. And one thing I know about Black

580
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: women who are around miss Evelyn age. I'm sure we

581
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: know a plethora of Black women who around her age

582
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: who husbands may have passed away and they never remarried.

583
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: They never you know, women are grandmothers, great grandmothers, husband cheated,

584
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: they don't get remarried. If they pass away, they don't

585
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: get remarried. There's a pain that they just don't deal with.

586
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: Miss Evelyn said on the show once.

587
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 4: And I want to read it to you and Dustin.

588
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 4: And this is a quote.

589
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: She said that the whole town knew her husband and

590
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: was cheating, and nobody told her a thing. I quote

591
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: she said, they were sleeping together in my bid for

592
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: ten They were sleeping together in my bid for ten

593
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: long years.

594
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 4: Who would ever get over that?

595
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: Is down right, low down and disgusting that you would

596
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: bring another woman with her big draws and candles lit

597
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: into my bid like it's something special. She made it

598
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: clear that forgiveness does not mean forgetting, and that's how

599
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: she feels, right, But she said to herself that.

600
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 4: Who would ever get over that?

601
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: I think Miss Evelyn has dealt with that, and this

602
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: is no shade to obviously this woman, because I would

603
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: never do that, tons mother, now that you guys would either.

604
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: I think what we've learned as adult children of parents,

605
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: of course, is the fact that I would never judge

606
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: the things my parents did because they only did what

607
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: they knew how to. And I think miss Evelyn not

608
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: being able to heal from that, I think it does

609
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: have a direct reflect on how the daughter's relationship is,

610
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: because you can't teach your daughters to really forgive each

611
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: other and forget about what happened because she hadn't done

612
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: that to her ex husband that she had these kids with,

613
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: and that, to me, is is indicative of exactly the

614
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: behavior she has.

615
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 4: And I could not agree with you morralbleuu about the

616
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 4: fact that she.

617
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: Doesn't want to deal with whatever is happening to her

618
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: daughters because she has to focus on this, on this facade, right.

619
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: And it hit me and I never thought about this

620
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: until now. We know for a fact that it was

621
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: displayed in this EF so, I mean it has been

622
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: displaying all the episodes, but the girls got access to footage.

623
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 4: Yep. The girls have editing control.

624
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

625
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 1: It hit me today that maybe Miss Evelyn did have

626
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: a scene where she learned about.

627
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 4: It, and maybe it never made the light of day

628
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 4: because they didn't like how it looked. I never I

629
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 4: never thought about that.

630
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: I did until now that that that that they could

631
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: have tape a scene that was removed because there's no

632
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense that you never had a

633
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: combo with your daughters about what happened. But now it

634
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: makes sense. You guys, did y'all looked at it? I

635
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: think she probably said, I don't.

636
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 7: Know, no, do you know what I mean, do you

637
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 7: know how I knew that that scene actually happened, because

638
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 7: there's no way in how a producer would pick as

639
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 7: a first choice to watch you bringing candles to Tina's

640
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 7: office talk about faise on Love. I said, well, this

641
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 7: is fluff. What really happened? This feel like feeling, This

642
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 7: is not This is not prime times. These scenes like filler.

643
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 7: When they were sent around on the ikea furniture, smelling

644
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 7: candles and talking about face on Loves Bachelor Pad, I

645
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 7: was like, I feel like something juicy or happened, and

646
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 7: they had to find something wholesome to fill in with

647
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 7: Miss Evelyn because Miss Evelyn's real scene was too much.

648
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 7: And I want to point out the quote that you

649
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 7: just read, Carlos, What did you just read in her

650
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 7: own language? The worst thing that's ever happened in my

651
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 7: life that I am determined not to get over is

652
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 7: being embarrassed. And what did I say that Mark's biggest

653
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 7: sin was in the very first episode when I came

654
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 7: on here. Timark's biggest sin in that family is being embarrassing.

655
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 7: And they have a mother who has taught them it's

656
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 7: okay to never forgive somebody who embarrasses you.

657
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I know where to start. I don't even know

658
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: where to start.

659
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 5: Okay, first of all, so let's let's keep it right

660
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 5: here when we saw I'll just say this, I'm totally

661
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 5: down to watch a show where they can break a

662
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 5: fourth wall, pull out a laptop and look at a

663
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 5: four cam shot of the same scene.

664
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 2: And break it down.

665
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,959
Speaker 5: I'm like, if this choose your own adventure interactive ass

666
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 5: version of the Braxton's is what we're about to watch,

667
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 5: then bring on five more seasons, because this is how

668
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 5: we get down to some answers. And what I saw

669
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 5: at that table, sitting around that table when they were

670
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 5: in California and Malible, if I'm not mistaken, was each

671
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 5: of their production company logos that's displayed at the end

672
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 5: of the credits every week. I saw Tamar's director chair

673
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 5: right there in front of the computer. I saw a

674
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 5: treehouse treating its production company sitting right there. And I

675
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 5: saw Tony Braxton TV. You know what I'm saying, I

676
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 5: seen Tony Braxton sitting right there. Og came out the

677
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 5: way that that sort of check and balance system is

678
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 5: necessary in a group of personalities like this who can

679
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 5: take state in an occurrence right and put value in

680
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 5: an occurrence, and then it has to be proven whether

681
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 5: that happened or not. I think that this is that

682
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 5: when we add in these if those women sit down

683
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 5: with the powers that being said, listen, in order for

684
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 5: us to participate, we got to have a media access

685
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 5: to all the footage, every shot, every scene. We need

686
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 5: to be able to call that, we need to be

687
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 5: able to break the fourth wall and talk to the producers.

688
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,479
Speaker 2: We got to have those kind of layers in place

689
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: in order for this scene to work.

690
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 5: I'm with it because that makes it a totally different

691
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 5: show that I'm watching, which is interesting. And now there

692
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 5: is a there's a device that they're using, right, which

693
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 5: is this system of checks and balances like, uh, let's see,

694
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 5: let's just watch and see. You know what I'm saying,

695
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 5: And so I enjoyed that. So if that's what we're

696
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 5: gonna get, bring that on.

697
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: Renew that. You know what I'm saying.

698
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 4: If everybody come in with the laptop, listen, did.

699
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 3: You see Trina's face. It's the quiet moments where Trina

700
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 3: tells them herself. She said, has Tamar seen this before I.

701
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: Even watch it?

702
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: Seen it?

703
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 7: Yep, that there was these nasty quiet moments with Trina

704
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 7: where I was like, we have to unpack this, because

705
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 7: what you're saying in that moment is I'm not curious

706
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 7: to see if I remembered it correctly and open to

707
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 7: apologist if I got it wrong.

708
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 3: I want to know if I messed up, and I

709
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 3: have to get ready for another fight.

710
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 5: Well, let's also be clear that the whole, the whole

711
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 5: disagreement they have is based upon a situation that directly

712
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 5: involves Trina. So even though she did not give the

713
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 5: person that a lot of people are assuming to be

714
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 5: their brother, that they assumed that was the brother's name

715
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 5: that they're remuting out. Even though she did not say, hey, suit,

716
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 5: put you know, put a cease and desist, which we

717
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 5: can have another conversation about that, because I'm so tired

718
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 5: of a ceasing desist being equated to stopping somebody's business.

719
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: But anyway, I don't she did.

720
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 5: She although she did not say, hey, place a cease

721
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 5: and desist on this conversation, she did provide them with

722
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 5: the attorney's information, and she would held that piece when

723
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 5: they were discussing it at the restaurant in the first

724
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 5: damn place, when tame flipped out and the read you

725
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 5: have to then that then begs the question why would

726
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 5: she want to aid that conversation being stopped or muted,

727
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 5: And it's because it's gonna, like Blue said, I believe

728
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 5: last week or the week before, it's gonna expose some

729
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,680
Speaker 5: or she assumes that it's going to expose some sort

730
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 5: of bad behavior or something that she knows was not

731
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 5: the right thing to do that she did in this situation.

732
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 5: And so Trina did. I hate to say it because

733
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 5: I enjoyed Trina on this show, but I don't.

734
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: Hate to say it because it's an observation, right.

735
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 5: I did peep that Trina was kind of not even

736
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 5: kind of Trina wasn't honest and forthcoming in that conversation.

737
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 5: Because when they were at the restaurant in the first place,

738
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 5: when Tamar turned around and did like this, when they

739
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 5: had that conversation, that was the time for Trina to say,

740
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 5: you know what, Tamar, No, I did not send you that,

741
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 5: but I definitely did pass the lawyer's information to them

742
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 5: because I don't want that conversation to happen either.

743
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: Is bringing up a lot of pain.

744
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 5: I don't feel good about the part I played in it,

745
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 5: and honestly, Tamar, I did not want that conversation to

746
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 5: come to light. And that's why I was angry with you,

747
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 5: because I felt like you understood that and you did

748
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 5: it anyway.

749
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: That's all she had to say that you go.

750
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: Death dustin that.

751
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 7: I mean, if a dog can me, I would be

752
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 7: a cat like that's not her nature. And I will say,

753
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 7: this is a word called darvl. Do y'all know what

754
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 7: darvro is? And we talked about dar on this before time.

755
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 2: R V O, D A, R and D.

756
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 3: Have you ever gotten into an.

757
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 7: Argument with somebody because they did something that was blatantly

758
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,959
Speaker 7: hurtful to you, something that a complete stranger would admit

759
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 7: was hurtful, and you go to them to tell them

760
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 7: that they've hurt you, and by the end they're mad

761
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 7: at you for being mad at them.

762
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

763
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: Now hold on that. I feel agree party get in it.

764
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 3: That's called darvl.

765
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 7: It means deny attack and then reverse victim and offender.

766
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 7: So what happens with darvo is the person who has

767
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 7: done something wrong will be the that is at the

768
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 7: table because they rather pretend they're mad and have been

769
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 7: harmed than admit how they were complicit, then just.

770
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 5: Say you don't like me, and don't pretend to want

771
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 5: a solution because that completely blocks all progress being made and.

772
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 3: Just covering up a cover up allegedly. Right, if I

773
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: have some.

774
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 7: Think about it, let's let's trace it backwards. God like

775
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 7: to reverse engineer these things. Right, Bear with me if

776
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 7: I carry shame around being someone who froze and was

777
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 7: complicit by freezing. When a miner in my family told

778
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 7: me a story that put me in a rough spot, right,

779
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 7: and had I been of sound mind and body, I

780
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 7: would have.

781
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: Advocated for the truth.

782
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 7: But instead I advocated for the optics, because that's why

783
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 7: I was taught by my mother and my family and

784
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 7: my church and everybody else.

785
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: Right. And then years go by.

786
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 7: Of my sister, particularly Tauanda, telling me, well, I'm a

787
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 7: victim to it happened to me too, even though it

788
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 7: technically I have actually happened to the minor, and I'm

789
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 7: told that's okay. Then one day the miner grows up,

790
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 7: it comes back from Spain and wants to start singing

791
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 7: like a canary bird about what happened. And in this day,

792
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 7: in an age of TikTok, a decade or so after

793
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 7: how it happened. The audience is now primed to see

794
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 7: her point in the way they probably were, and I.

795
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 3: Wasn't when it originally happened.

796
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 7: Then, my sister, the most embarrassing one, is the one

797
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 7: who is carrying this torch for her right and about

798
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 7: to have an ex fos where I am concerned that

799
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 7: my part will be double clicked on in a way

800
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 7: that it never has before. And my brother allegedly says,

801
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 7: y'all know, I don't even want to be on the show.

802
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 7: You think Rob Kardashian's a ghost in the machine. I'm

803
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 7: about to change my name to Larry right. I don't

804
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 7: want no parts of this.

805
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 4: Stop stop stop stop stops stop stop stop that I

806
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 4: mean because I happen to get it out, but please finish.

807
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: I never realized that with a family full of sins,

808
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: there's a one brother that the one brother in the

809
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: Kardashians and the one brother in the Bractons want nothing

810
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 1: to do with this reality show.

811
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 4: Wow, go ahead, looke, because we all know.

812
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 7: That when you are looking at a gender group from

813
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 7: a distance, you can see their collective mess better than

814
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 7: they can when when men are looking at women, When

815
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 7: women are looking at men, when the gay community is

816
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 7: looking at everybody else, they're like, what is they doing?

817
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: This is weird?

818
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 7: Right, you're the other It actually gives you a better

819
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 7: vantage point, right. So the brothers like I don't want

820
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 7: to be pulled into this, and this is my daughter, right,

821
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 7: and she has the Braxton face. I, Trina, I want

822
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 7: you to stop this.

823
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: You and I. You think it's a coincidence that who

824
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: he went to to get the information?

825
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 7: Trina, you and I are the two who are gonna

826
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 7: look the worst if this comes out, because I'm her

827
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 7: daddy who didn't do shit, and you the auntie who

828
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 7: didn't do shit.

829
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: Do you know somebody who can help me? And Treta's like,

830
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: I don't know who.

831
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 7: This is a boot, but I don't want to get involved.

832
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: Me out of it, right.

833
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 7: So she's complacent, but because then it in a way

834
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 7: where she can say, my name is not on the deed, right, right?

835
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 7: And so he does this and here's the thing I

836
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 7: need try to understand about the business part. And I

837
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 7: do want to double click on this. Several of my

838
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 7: friends is not a flex. A lot of my friends

839
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 7: are Grammy Award winning artists, and they're getting paid from

840
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 7: their podcasts, not from singing. They're getting paid from appearance

841
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 7: is not from music, right, the consumption that Tamar's business

842
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 7: is singing and being a star. Respectfully, I get paid

843
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 7: more on YouTube than I did working for iHeartRadio.

844
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: A lot of times, the.

845
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 7: Hustle that looks the smallest is actually what's keeping you

846
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 7: afloat for the optics of the hustle that.

847
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 3: Everybody else is clapping for.

848
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 7: So I do believe that in Tamar's mind, as somebody

849
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 7: who's been in business conversations that might have included her

850
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 7: potentially and the bags were big, I do believe that

851
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 7: in her mind, this media persona, that she's doing this,

852
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 7: this podcast and all her stuff, in her mind, that

853
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 7: is her business. It's the thing that's probably feeding her

854
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 7: a lot more steadily than the music sometimes. Right.

855
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, But friend, I'm talking about perception, and I think

856
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 5: that's why the tape scene was so important.

857
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 7: You're about to talk about reality. I'm talking about Tamar's perception.

858
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 7: And we tend to operate from perception, not objective reality.

859
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 7: So in my mind, I'm thinking I have been signs

860
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 7: for my sisters, and I love them and for some

861
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 7: reason we're good off camera, but like she said, Trina,

862
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 7: why are you so mad at me on camera? And

863
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 7: I now believe in my research it's because they all

864
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 7: can feel in their gut they showed up for Tony

865
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 7: and stay for Tamar Hoole different discussion. So now Tamar

866
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 7: sees her little niece going through something that she can

867
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 7: relate to for reasons that she probably hasn't even clocked herself.

868
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 7: So she's thinking, well, I'm doing something good. She talks

869
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 7: to Tony, and Tony's like, yeah, that Ashley thing was concerning, let.

870
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: Me do the vores. That Ashley thing was concerning. I

871
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: didn't know much about it, but that is concerning. Maybe

872
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: we should have her on the Braxteds.

873
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 7: She goes off thinking that she has her sister's co

874
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 7: signed to support Ashley, but then Toni starts talking to

875
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 7: Twanda and Trina, and then she.

876
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 3: Realizes, oh, snap, this might implicate my.

877
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 7: Sister, right, So suddenly she has to pull back on

878
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 7: the endorsement she gave Tamar. Tamar stinking she's running off

879
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 7: with the endorsement of Tony D. Braxon, not knowing the

880
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 7: other two in the middle have actually changed the waters

881
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 7: because you know how libras are. Whoever gets them last

882
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 7: and smells the best is gonna get their ears right. Whoever, whoever,

883
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 7: whoever talks to them last and smells the best and

884
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 7: strokes them into some Oh you do you do make sense?

885
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 3: I know, I just saw her. I agree, But you

886
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 3: make sense now too. So now Tamar stinking she.

887
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 7: Has an endorsement that she does not have, not recognizing

888
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 7: that Trina has a vested interest in silence in this

889
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 7: and her brother's already in cohoots.

890
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 3: With her allegedly allegedly allegedly.

891
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 1: Okay, which is why, which is why Tamar kept saying,

892
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: you did not have my back. You were defending me,

893
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: and Tony took them as a global I always defend you,

894
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: and Tamar said, I'm talking about in this moment.

895
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 3: And you're the one who put the battery in my pack.

896
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 3: So why are you with them?

897
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: Because you are our second mother, So my second mother

898
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: as a baby sister, who is just good my second

899
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: mom as my baby says, he gave me the go

900
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: ahead to do it, and when I did it, you

901
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: didn't put me up.

902
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 4: On game, saying, look, bitch, they about to do X,

903
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 4: Y and Z.

904
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: And That's why Tony kept saying the finale, I did

905
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: not know you were being.

906
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 4: Served, which I believe her. I believed know she was

907
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 4: being served. But you knew that to blues point, you

908
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 4: knew that your assist and your.

909
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 1: Brother, who have the most to lose, contacted your best

910
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,959
Speaker 1: friend who happens to be a lawyer that you speak

911
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: to on a Delhi basis, So you knew that a

912
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: conference was happening, although you get your sister the greenlight

913
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: to do it, because you know, at the end of

914
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: the day, your sister looks up to you.

915
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 7: And you were relying on the technicality of the name

916
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 7: not You were relying on the technicality of your name's

917
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 7: not being on the document to shield you.

918
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: You were.

919
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 5: I feel like at the end of the day, Tamar

920
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 5: was relying on the technicality of being able to say

921
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 5: that her sister tried to shut her businesses down. No,

922
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 5: I don't, but I think that you have to be

923
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 5: I think that you have to be specific about that

924
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 5: because I don't believe.

925
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 2: I don't know, right, but I don't.

926
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 5: Believe she got a letter saying you have to stop

927
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 5: doing business as Tamar Braxton. I believe she got a

928
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 5: letter saying I believe she got a cease and desist

929
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 5: that you can't have this conversation with Ashley and to me,

930
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 5: to to frame that as you shutting down trying to

931
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 5: shut down my businesses. I'm a producer and a performer

932
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 5: and you're trying to shut down my businesses, that's a reach,

933
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 5: just like to me, it was a reach that she

934
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 5: said Trina put her hands on her and struck her,

935
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 5: and Tamar admitted that it was a reach.

936
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: That was a reach, and I think that.

937
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 5: So I think that sometimes we of course these things

938
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 5: are Tamar's perception of these occurrences, but it is not

939
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 5: a license, right. Tamar hits her whole wagon of argument

940
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 5: right to the fact that they tried to shut her

941
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 5: businesses down and who was responsible for it. I want

942
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 5: to know who sent my address to that lawyer to

943
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 5: shut my businesses down.

944
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: And she was very clear on that. And I personally don't.

945
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 5: See her getting a cease and desist not to have

946
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 5: a conversation at a live podcast event as someone trying

947
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 5: to shut her businesses down. And I think that that's

948
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 5: the problem Tamar can definitely if Tamar has shown a

949
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 5: capacity to kind of see something and then take events

950
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 5: and circumstances and build them to that conclusion rights conditioning.

951
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 5: Though I never even said it was paranoia.

952
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is.

953
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 5: That's what she's doing, you know what I'm saying, like,

954
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 5: that's why.

955
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 4: No, No, I.

956
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 7: Think Tony Broxton, I don't think it was the ceasing assist.

957
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 7: I think it was Tony Broxton. If Tama had gotten

958
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 7: the cease and desist but Tony had her back, she

959
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 7: would not see it as them shutting down her business

960
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 7: like so perfect example, if I get a cease and desist,

961
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 7: but Tony says no. I talked to Tamar and told

962
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 7: her I thought this made sense. Suddenly you're thinking me

963
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 7: and Tony at least have each other's back, and I

964
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 7: can try to explain it to my sisters why this

965
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 7: ceased desistem But one was respectful because of how I

966
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 7: feel about my address and the death threats and my child.

967
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 3: And number two because.

968
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 7: My brand that I am building and my heart is

969
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 7: attached to it, and so my money was also got

970
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 7: a hit. But the minute Tony does it about face

971
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 7: and then Tamar's perception and Tony even admitted it that

972
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 7: she lied, didn't have to.

973
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: She did.

974
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 4: She did the minute Tony.

975
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 7: Turns my her back on me, Tony, the star power

976
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 7: of Tony means where else am I losing the backing

977
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 7: that I need? And where else are they trying to

978
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 7: trip me up? I don't think it was singularly about

979
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 7: the podcast. The minute Toni Braxton turns on you, As

980
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 7: a co producer with a much bigger star power, you.

981
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 3: Not have to be thinking what else am I going

982
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: to get in the mail?

983
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 7: And it creates this paranoia around if you can turn

984
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 7: your back on something that's elegant, where else you don't

985
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 7: not have my back as a co producer.

986
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: And my sister.

987
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 5: That's the spot where we all have a little bit

988
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 5: of personal responsibility to the outcome of the events, right

989
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 5: and to what happens, because Tony Rexton's statement of support

990
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 5: to Tamar shouldn't hold that much weight in her life.

991
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 3: She's got She's Jesus, you.

992
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: Feel what I'm saying.

993
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 5: And even though they have, Tamar still is responsible for

994
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 5: her own life, and she's responsible for the way that

995
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 5: all of those decisions that other people may impact.

996
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 2: What she does as far as her behavior is concerned.

997
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 5: In this case, even though that explains why she don't

998
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 5: do it right, but it doesn't negate the fact that

999
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 5: she should.

1000
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous that.

1001
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 5: Tony's words held that much power in this situation, to

1002
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 5: the point where you losing control and kicking your sisters

1003
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 5: and blacking out.

1004
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 2: These are her words. She says, she blacked down, didn't

1005
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,479
Speaker 2: know what was going on. So my thing is, yeah,

1006
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 2: you know, wedding, everybody stopped breathing. Tony D.

1007
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 3: Braxton is about to talk for thirty seconds.

1008
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: Then they should have asked her before before to Wanda

1009
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: put them cowboy boots on.

1010
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,359
Speaker 5: If we're gonna give Tony power, then let's give her

1011
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 5: the real power, right.

1012
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: I thought Towanda was a beautiful bride.

1013
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 5: I was confused by the cowboy boots after because I

1014
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 5: wore cowboy boots to Beyonce concert and the motherfucker's hurt.

1015
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 5: I couldn't wait to take them goddamn boots off. So

1016
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 5: I'm like, if she changed shoes to be comfortable while

1017
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 5: was the cowboy boot to choice, but she looks she

1018
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 5: was a beautiful bride though.

1019
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: Real talk.

1020
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 5: But I just feel like at a certain point we

1021
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 5: can explain all this shit away. We all are affected

1022
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 5: by so many things, but ultimately it's up to you

1023
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 5: to kind of course correct, right, And I think that

1024
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 5: especially when you got four people all at the end

1025
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 5: for sure, you know. But even that though, let's talk

1026
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 5: about that scene because fuck, fuck.

1027
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 2: The other ship. We know what's going on.

1028
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 5: But but that last scene when her and Trina were

1029
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,479
Speaker 5: like trying to make some.

1030
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 2: Progress, I even felt like that was okay.

1031
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 5: So now that I admitted it, what you're gonna do okay,

1032
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 5: So now that I said yes to that, well, what

1033
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 5: you're gonna do.

1034
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna do it. I'm gonna do with it, okay.

1035
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 5: It was very much like a push pull as opposed

1036
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 5: to people just saying I don't like what's going on,

1037
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 5: let me just enter this space with.

1038
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: A view to it like this that was looking for

1039
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: something from you. You know what I'm saying.

1040
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 7: I think I think you're a very healthy black man,

1041
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 7: and I do think you're very mentally healthy. If you

1042
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 7: if there was a neurotypical person on this stage, I

1043
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 7: think it's you.

1044
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 2: No offense to me and Carlos, thank you, thank you,

1045
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: because I feel like I'm.

1046
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 7: You're very your brain is very aligned properly, but in

1047
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 7: a neuro divergent brain, which trauma actually creates no divergence. Guy,

1048
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 7: all those sisters have some form of Nord divergence induced

1049
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 7: by trauma. Right in a Nord divergent brain. What happens

1050
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 7: is and this is something Tamor has already shown. So

1051
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 7: I've clocked it, like, and I don't want to diagnose.

1052
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 7: Tamar is sometimes so much trying to make her case

1053
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 7: that she doesn't read the room and it's not because

1054
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 7: of egos, because of trauma. So when she looks up

1055
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 7: and sees, oh, there's a way to fix this, she's like, bad,

1056
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 7: let me fix it. Not what?

1057
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 3: Oh, so that's why you're upset. You can't listen to me.

1058
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 3: And I've done this before.

1059
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 7: Oh you're mad because I won't admit this one thing.

1060
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 7: You mean, all I gotta do is is admit this

1061
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 7: one thing, and you actually listen to me.

1062
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: Bet, I admit it. I'm wrong, That's what you needed.

1063
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 3: I'm wrong? Now what, Like, I really want to work

1064
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 3: this out. That's actually not defensiveness.

1065
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 7: That's an autistic nor divergent trauma induced thing that happens a.

1066
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 3: Lot that people misread a lot of times.

1067
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 7: And so what that told me as a Nord divergent

1068
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 7: person was she and I've done it before. She wants

1069
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 7: so badly to fix it. Tell me what is stopping

1070
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 7: you from being my sister? Please just tell me what

1071
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 7: you need to be my sister again. I was having

1072
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 7: Sunday with so I'll give it to you now. What

1073
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 7: I miss my sister? Tell me what I need to

1074
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 7: get my sister back. And she kind of voiced that

1075
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 7: as best as she could, and so, and I want

1076
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 7: to be clear, guys, we are never explaining things away.

1077
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 7: We're explaining how people got there because the lack of

1078
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 7: intentionality is important. Tamar doing something because her perception was

1079
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 7: off doesn't excuse it, but it does take away the

1080
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 7: tinge of malice, and that is incredible. So it's not

1081
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,399
Speaker 7: the way to say she didn't accidentally and it still

1082
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 7: had an impact that needs to be accounted for, but

1083
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 7: it wasn't the malicious intent that many people I miss

1084
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 7: reading it as.

1085
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

1086
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 2: Perfect sense? Perfect? Yeah?

1087
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 4: Because the thing is this, The thing is this.

1088
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: One of the things that I felt that that scene

1089
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: gave me was Trina's. It's sort of like Trina knew

1090
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: that her hand was called the cookie jar when Tamar

1091
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 1: did ask her point blank, like, look, did you give.

1092
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 4: So and so my information?

1093
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: And she hmmm, she h she hung she looked in

1094
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: the air, and then she finally said yes, which and

1095
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 1: then take that long to know you did that, just

1096
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: like you knew at the at the dinner scene, you

1097
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: did it when she asks and you and you kept

1098
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: quiet to me, listen, I am just gonna say this

1099
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: because I honestly feel that way, and I really do.

1100
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: I feel like the scene with Tony and Trina, I

1101
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: feel like Tamar is doing a lot of work internally,

1102
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: and I for the first time on this show, I

1103
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: felt that she was really trying. I felt that the

1104
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: therapy is working. I felt that her advisor task is.

1105
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 4: Doing great work with her.

1106
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: I felt that she was just trying to be like,

1107
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy, and look, it's the game of semantics

1108
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 1: in terms of you put your hands on me whatever

1109
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: like and I get that to me, that semantics. But

1110
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: I also feel that when you are in the heat

1111
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: of the moment. What I found so sad was it

1112
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: took Tony to say no, we I because Tony stood

1113
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: up first and gave her the finger. And then one

1114
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: thing I've learned is you can't you can't be mad

1115
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 1: at how somebody responds to you when you started, yeah,

1116
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: and then and then, And to me, it was it's

1117
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 1: not so much the semantics of like, yeah, she didn't

1118
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: push you, she definitely pushed you aside. But if I

1119
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 1: feel like my family, these these people hate me, let's

1120
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: talk about let's talk about housewives, if if if if,

1121
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: Memi and Cynthia are about to help about to like

1122
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 1: get into it, and Phaedra comes in and all of

1123
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: a sudden, bad analogy, because yeah, shut up, not not that,

1124
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: not that, but the person who you don't think liked

1125
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: you is the one that's pushing you.

1126
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 3: Aside while she's.

1127
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 6: Okay blue with the with the back turn, pushing you,

1128
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:18,959
Speaker 6: telling the woman in front of you.

1129
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 4: Who got up out her seat, you're a superstar, don't

1130
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 4: do this.

1131
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it, I get it.

1132
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: So I did feel like what I got from that

1133
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: scene was I feel like the therapy Tamar's doing is working,

1134
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: and I feel like they.

1135
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 4: All need it. She's not the only one who needs it,

1136
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 4: they all need it.

1137
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: Because it was it was it was sort of like

1138
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: she ain't the only one guy that needs it, And

1139
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: I think you guys have spent your whole life thinking

1140
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: that she's the one that acts out, which is fine,

1141
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: but I think as grown women, no one. And she

1142
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: said it, y'all, don't y'all don't ever hold Tony accountable.

1143
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: Y'all gonna be check her, and it doesn't because you

1144
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: never check. And this is true in families.

1145
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 4: You never check. The person who is signing your checks.

1146
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 5: And the person that's gonna need therapy is og ah

1147
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 5: wrap their crew, og and crew. That's who's gonna need Yeah,

1148
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 5: they need therapy. Gift cards with the punch like after

1149
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 5: each visit, because this.

1150
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 2: This is a lot, man, and it feels even more heavy.

1151
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 2: You know, what's that stat.

1152
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 7: Around black women that the studies have found that when

1153
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 7: a black woman is angry or ridable, she's actually just depressed.

1154
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 7: And that's been quantified now, so this is not just

1155
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 7: anecdoto anymore.

1156
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: And I always think about people.

1157
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 7: Like Miss Evelyn, back to Miss Evelyn, women of that age,

1158
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 7: like my mama and them, whenever they were ashamed, they

1159
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 7: would hide behind sternness as a cover for shame. The

1160
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 7: sternness that Trina had, that entire retreat total her so

1161
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 7: loudly to me I am shamed of how I showed up.

1162
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 7: So I'm gonna be stern and super pious to hide

1163
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 7: my shame, because sternness is a fact similar for the

1164
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 7: power I don't have in this situation.

1165
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 3: She was costplaying at her.

1166
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 7: I felt like I was watching a little girl putting

1167
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 7: on her mother's wig and costplaying as Miss Evelyn.

1168
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 3: That entire retreat.

1169
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 4: Mmm.

1170
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 7: And the minute Tony said, nah, I actually did get

1171
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,479
Speaker 7: knuck if your buck, and yeah, that was me, Trina

1172
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 7: immediately stood down. The thing that Tamor had been begging

1173
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 7: for months. Trina gave within a half a millisecond to Tony,

1174
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 7: and you're trying to tell me that that's not gonna

1175
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 7: hurt I'm begging for months. But she just blinks and

1176
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 7: she gets it. That's gonna hurt anybody. And I dream

1177
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 7: of a day where your healthy logic is available to her.

1178
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 7: It's not like it's not, to Carlos's point, anything that's

1179
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 7: available to her. She soaks it up so badly because

1180
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 7: she won't so badly. And I will say this, this

1181
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 7: is purely speculation, This is not a fact. I blew

1182
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 7: Tulusma in that scene when I watched Tamar Braxton say

1183
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 7: I keep showing up for them. I believe that was

1184
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 7: her subconsciously admitting I only keep doing these shows because

1185
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 7: they need the money, and then they keep.

1186
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 5: Attacking one hundred. That's what the messages out and clear.

1187
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 5: But that would have offended me.

1188
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 3: When you were talking to me. But I'm the reason

1189
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 3: you can pay your mortgage this month. Make it makes sense.

1190
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 5: That felt passive aggressive to Mede.

1191
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 7: It was passive aggressive, and it was also an admission

1192
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 7: of motivation, like I'm trying to buy your love. I'm

1193
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 7: trying to again be cannibalized and put on the pit

1194
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 7: like a fresh suckling piece of pork, so that maybe

1195
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 7: you seeing me will make you remember that I'm your sister.

1196
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 3: Nah, bruh, it's it's And the thing is I heard

1197
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 3: for Towanda.

1198
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,479
Speaker 7: I heard for Towanta because the thing is to Wanda

1199
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 7: is being revealed right now, and it could have been

1200
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 7: an opportunity for her to go see the lady along

1201
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 7: with her sisters, but instead she's choosing to isolate in

1202
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 7: a distraction of her new marriage. And again, Tuanda, I'm

1203
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 7: rooting for you so hard because I relate to you

1204
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 7: so much. The Unheald part of being relates to you

1205
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 7: so much more than Tamar funny enough, avoidance is not

1206
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 7: healing you. Being with that man and kissing on his

1207
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 7: beautiful face and thanking him for loving you is wonderful

1208
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 7: and he can never replace the love of your sisters.

1209
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 5: They look good together too, by the way, just let

1210
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 5: the record look good together.

1211
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 4: I have them on my podcast.

1212
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: I did want brought him man, I will say, singing

1213
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 1: in person.

1214
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 4: They're so mates.

1215
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 3: That's a good man.

1216
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: You can tell.

1217
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: Johnna is a great man. She loves him. They are

1218
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: meant to be with each other. I do think this, though,

1219
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: well does I want to? I want to make sure

1220
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: you finish your thought when you said you clocked something

1221
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: and you felt.

1222
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 4: You hit it.

1223
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,479
Speaker 5: I don't even remember mine ship mine now, I don't

1224
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 5: remember my CRS is kicking in.

1225
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it.

1226
01:01:52,160 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: So what I will say is I and and I

1227
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: hate to say this because I have siblings. I love them,

1228
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: But I'm also in my forties. So also give people

1229
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: change as they get older. I just think at this

1230
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: point in their lives, in their lives, I think it's

1231
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: best that they just go their separate ways. I think

1232
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: I think when it comes to like because look, I think,

1233
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 1: at some point, if you're not willing to fully show

1234
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: up and do the work. In that scene, when it

1235
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: took Trina ten seconds to say the obvious truth in

1236
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: her heart that told me everything. When Tony sat there

1237
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: and was very particular about I did not know you

1238
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: were being served. When Tamar is saying, you just don't

1239
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: like me, what is it?

1240
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 4: Because you don't like me?

1241
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: So what happened? You don't like me, you know? And

1242
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 1: Tawanda saying my man, my ma, and my man, you

1243
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: know by my honeymoon. I just think that who they

1244
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: are in their lives, I think Tony and Tamar will

1245
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: forever be close.

1246
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:17,439
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I think Tony Tammarbart will be here.

1247
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,439
Speaker 1: I think I think Twanda and Trina will be here.

1248
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: And I think Tony will always find ways to play

1249
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: in the sandbox. And I think tay Marble always be

1250
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: here alone. And I think at this point, I think

1251
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: the only.

1252
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 4: I don't put that off the universe. I won't say this,

1253
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 4: but what I will say.

1254
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 2: Is I know exactly what I was about to say too.

1255
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: You know, yeah something, yeah, go y'all get it. That's

1256
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: the only way they're going to come back together because

1257
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 1: and I did God forbid. But I just I think

1258
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: at this point in their lives, I think Trina, which

1259
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: is no shade. I think Trina focuses on Bomb and

1260
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: his help. I think Towanda is focused on this man.

1261
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: She is happy to be married. They've been you know,

1262
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: they've been seeing each other off and on since they

1263
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: were early twenties, right, yeah, And I think.

1264
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's something that's so mate. She's with her new man.

1265
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: And I think Tony Braxton, who is on a who

1266
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: was about to start her tour new edition and boys

1267
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: to man.

1268
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 4: I think she got Burdman, and I think she got

1269
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 4: her her career. And I think and her kids.

1270
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 3: We have to finish the sentences Tony Braxton.

1271
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 1: Tony Braxton, and I think that's what it is. And

1272
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: I think Tamar. I think Tamar is realizing that I

1273
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: just am not capable.

1274
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

1275
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 1: My sisters just aren't capable of meeting me where I'm

1276
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: at today. And I have to accept that, yeah, yeah,

1277
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: And I have to navigate through life hoping that one

1278
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: then we'll get back together.

1279
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 4: But I don't see that happen in the next couple

1280
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 4: of years.

1281
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 3: You just broke my heart.

1282
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 7: And I feel like we keep on talking about how

1283
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 7: this show is so much like our families. I am

1284
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 7: both the Tamar and the Toni and my family. I'm

1285
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 7: the shiny one that they find embarrassing for being so honest.

1286
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 7: And I've had to make peace with that in the

1287
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 7: last couple of years, that the people in my family

1288
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 7: who were committed to confusion and chaos and I couldn't

1289
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 7: be a part of that. And when Tamar looked at Trina,

1290
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 7: when Trina would not admit a simple point, because Trina

1291
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 7: was being defensive the entire time, and she said, Trina,

1292
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 7: you are fifty and Trina said fifty and a half.

1293
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 7: Said oh girls, wrap this up. Play the credits. Got it,

1294
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 7: you got it?

1295
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 4: Finally you got it?

1296
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 3: Okay, So you okay. So this is just how I

1297
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 3: was going.

1298
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 7: Got it to the credits because at that point, now

1299
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 7: you're being willfully up to. And here's the thing I

1300
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 7: hate to say, the thing you were about to say

1301
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 7: that might not work the way that we're hoping.

1302
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 3: Because when Tracy passed.

1303
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 2: I don't even want to talk. I don't even want

1304
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 2: to go there.

1305
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tracy passed.

1306
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 7: I had hoped that Tracy's passing would make put everything

1307
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 7: into perspective. Can we all admit that there are some

1308
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 7: people in our families who are glue and without them,

1309
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 7: there's an erosion that happens.

1310
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 3: It's happened in my family.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, for sure, yes, yes, yes, and listen,

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Speaker 1: it's it's in friendship.

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Speaker 4: Like it's some friendship. There's one person who kind of

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Speaker 4: keeps the friend group together.

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Speaker 3: More glod than we thought. Yeah, I think Tracy.

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Speaker 4: Was so Look, I will say this, it was a

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Speaker 4: very sad.

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Speaker 1: It's like groupgeous beautiful gowns, baby, beautiful, beautiful gown. But

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Speaker 1: I I I'm abdusted. If y'all going to give us

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Speaker 1: another season, I guess break the f the Wall and

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Speaker 1: is the it's the Adventures of the for the Wall.

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Speaker 1: But I think this, I think this world, we all

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01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: live separate lives and we're we're only filming together because

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Speaker 1: we're forced to. I just think nobody wants to sign

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Speaker 1: up to see that. And I think the difference with

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Speaker 1: our Kardashians. And I'll go on record saying this because

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Speaker 1: I maybe doesn't watch a lot of reality.

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Speaker 4: Are you watching Kardashian Hulu?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: I thought Okay, so I listen.

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Speaker 1: It's not what it was in its glory days because

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Speaker 1: everybody is living individual lives. But the one thing that

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Speaker 1: family does have besides gazillions is is they're still close

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Speaker 1: in proximity and they all do love each other.

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Speaker 7: They have a Carlos, they have an involved Can we

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Speaker 7: just be honest. Chris Jenner is the antithesis of Miss Evelyn,

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01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 7: where Miss Evelin's like, oh, I was tired, Chris jen

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Speaker 7: The only thing that works harder than the Devil and

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01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 7: the Gop is Chris Jenner. Right, And Kie and Kendall

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01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 7: got a problem. She's driving both of their houses with

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01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 7: a fruit basket. Let's talk about it like everything. And

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Speaker 7: I hate that, right. I hate that we're talking about

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01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 7: a black family versus a non black family, and so

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01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,759
Speaker 7: many black families we go into silos and suffer in silos.

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Speaker 7: That's the reason why I was so excited about that

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01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 7: that work you did with black men. It actually comes back.

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Speaker 3: To this episode. Black men suffer in silos.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and then by the time they hit their mid fifties,

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01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 7: they passed away because they didn't speak out loud about

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01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 7: the obvious thing and get the support they needed. That's

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01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 7: why even the Vaughn storyline heavily sat on my heart

1352
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 7: because how many black men do we know in their fifties?

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01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,520
Speaker 3: A lot of black men die in their fifties.

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01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,560
Speaker 7: Because that's the age where you avoiding stuff starts to

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01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 7: catch up with you.

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Speaker 5: Right, we do, and a not a lot of us

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01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 5: have doctors that look like Stephanie Meals either, because I

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01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 5: know I wasn't on Repub's doctor looked like Stephanie putting

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01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 5: a rush on your diagnosis?

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Speaker 2: Ain't she okay?

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Speaker 4: Black light bulb moment.

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Speaker 3: I like the red the.

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01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 4: I am God, I am done, so listen.

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Speaker 1: We will see where the sisters go from here. There

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01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: hasn't been an announcement of another season, so things are

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01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:29,839
Speaker 1: left to be unseaid.

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01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,560
Speaker 4: But Blue and dustin final thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I hope they come back.

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Speaker 5: I hope all that cast and crew is back to

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01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 5: work for another season. They got a black showrunner. It's

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Speaker 5: a black family, and I want to see these ladies

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Speaker 5: continue to work. And I really hope that with the

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Speaker 5: added protections they need, we get an enjoyable show.

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Speaker 2: I'm not expecting, you know, a miracle here.

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01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 5: I'm not expecting really anything, but I would love to

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01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 5: see what happens next for them in another season, So

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Speaker 5: I definitely hope they come back.

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Speaker 3: That was so spicy and wholesome. I love it.

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Speaker 7: You know what's so funny sometimes when somebody has a

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Speaker 7: really big ego or they're higher identifying with their trauma,

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Speaker 7: which is I think the legacy, unfortunately slash whatever of

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01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 7: miss Evelyn is that she we high p identify her

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01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 7: with her trauma, and her daughters high pridentify themselves with

1384
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 7: their trauma, right, And so when people give up their trauma,

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01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:26,320
Speaker 7: in their mind, they're.

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Speaker 3: Thinking they're giving up their identity because their identity is

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Speaker 3: their trauma.

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Speaker 7: And I'm hoping that they might be fighting the obvious now,

1389
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 7: but I'm hoping the conversations that we're having here watching

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Speaker 7: themselves from a distance, friends and loved ones who hopefully

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01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 7: are dming them in group chats and saying the thing

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01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 7: that needs to be said that eventually they're concent Do

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Speaker 7: you believe these are all good people?

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Speaker 2: Which is why.

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Speaker 3: These are all good people?

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Speaker 7: And I feel like the opposite of love is and

1397
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 7: hat it's apathy, right, this is just love that's lost

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01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 7: its way. I hope that one day Twanda is sitting

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Speaker 7: with her husband and he's kissing on her face, and

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01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 7: she hears a funny joke that she normally would have

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Speaker 7: shared with Tamar and she realizes, that's my sister. I'm

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01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 7: hoping that Tamor has a woman of saying, damn, even

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01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:13,719
Speaker 7: though I'm their grief little.

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Speaker 3: Sister, I have caused harm.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 7: I'm hoping that sometimes people have to hear something several

1407
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 7: times before their ego will be quiet enough for their

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01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 7: heart to listen.

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01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 3: And I'm praying that that happens me too.

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01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so we'll say, we'll say, but thank you

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01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: guys so.

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01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 4: Much for another dynamic episode.

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01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 2: Somebody's check on.

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01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:48,480
Speaker 5: I see you hear nothing about scratchy.

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01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:53,719
Speaker 7: Somebody gee, somebody to check on the whole crew because

1416
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,719
Speaker 7: they were brought into it so many times.

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01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 3: Well, he told me that you didn't want me to

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01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 3: come like I need. Somebody's giving that man a big

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01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 3: Christmas bonus?

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01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 2: Can we all just a Christmas bonus?

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01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 5: Some icy hot, some weed, you know what I'm saying,

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01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 5: A bottle of Hannessey, you know what I'm saying.

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01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 2: OG need a care package for real. Anyway. We love y'all,

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01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 2: Thank you for this Carlos and Blue. I appreciate y'all

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01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 2: another lovely.

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Speaker 1: Yes and we will be back doing this again. So

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Speaker 1: thank you, rain Drops. I love you guys. Have a

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01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: safe weekend and listen give your thoughts in person the

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01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 1: Bractons because we want them to figure this out and

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Speaker 1: up at they do for sure. Reality with the King

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Speaker 1: is executive produced by me Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz,

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01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: and a partnership.

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Speaker 2: With the Lack of Effect Network.

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Speaker 1: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at

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