Speaker 1: Hey everybody, it's me Matt Rogers, letting you know. Tickets
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Speaker 1: Yes, goodness, lost ding Dong, lost Cluesa's calling. I just
Speaker 1: whipped out an expression. You love this expression? I do.
Speaker 1: I say it often. I was road hard and put
Speaker 1: away wet, and I kind of used it in this
Speaker 1: way to say like, we're old dogs, We're broken into
Speaker 1: this podcast, right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, we
Speaker 1: we just we're withered and weathered, withered, weathered, road hard
Speaker 1: and put away wet. A front nunner for title of that.
Speaker 1: I know I'll come up with something better. Did you
Speaker 1: want to ask about my sports pageantry?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You're wearing now.
Speaker 2: People don't know about this, but Matt Rogers, being the
Speaker 2: Long Island King, he is as a huge fan of
Speaker 2: Prince is a huge fan of the New York Mets.
Speaker 2: Major major So you're wearing a Mets T shirt and
Speaker 2: is that a baseball cap a Mets baseball cat.
Speaker 1: I'm flipping around to reveal it is actually a Pride
Speaker 1: themed Mets cab that I got when I threw out
Speaker 1: the first pitch. I threw out the first pitch last
Speaker 1: year at the at the Mets Pride game, and I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you it was a strike when I threw it.
Speaker 3: You knew this.
Speaker 1: I went from the mound because you have to understand,
Speaker 1: my dad is a sports That's right, he's baseball. They
Speaker 1: really should have gone the extra mile there, but it
Speaker 1: was it was a streamer. Yeah, I know exactly what
Speaker 1: Cat was famous for doing in the rainbow balls. Wow
Speaker 1: already right. Anyway, So it's a huge week for the
Speaker 1: New York Mets. Explain So I really can't, but I
Speaker 1: know that it's a big week. In fact, I texted
Speaker 1: my father to explain. They went to the Mets game
Speaker 1: last night, and I said, can you explain what's happening
Speaker 1: with the Mets this week? Because I know it's a
Speaker 1: big week And he said all these words, and so
Speaker 1: I know that they're playing the Braves, the Atlanta Braves,
Speaker 1: and they have to do well this week in order
Speaker 1: to stay contentions. Playoff implications. Oh, there's major playoff implications.
Speaker 1: Another front runner for title of app We're really rolling
Speaker 1: at it today, but this is a major week. So
Speaker 1: I'm wearing my sort of giche and I pray for them.
Speaker 1: I pray for them. Now, this is something that I
Speaker 1: want to come back to, which is this idea of
Speaker 1: you don't have to understand something in order to appreciate
Speaker 1: and show love. Thank you so much. You know, you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't know how to do make clothes
Speaker 1: and we're wearing and we're wearing them. Wow, by the way,
Speaker 1: I love this, thank you? But when would you want
Speaker 1: to describe what you're wearing?
Speaker 3: A little cable knit card.
Speaker 2: Again, it is the second day of fall at the
Speaker 2: time of recording.
Speaker 1: We did it.
Speaker 3: We beat it.
Speaker 1: I have to be beat summer. It feels even better
Speaker 1: than the end of Labor Day weekend, which I famously
Speaker 1: said was.
Speaker 2: At the end of summer, but you were corrected summarily.
Speaker 1: It was controversy, yes, and we caught a lot of
Speaker 1: controversy on this podcast, and now no one can say
Speaker 1: anything to me. It's fucking over.
Speaker 3: Stu season, Stoop season.
Speaker 1: What is the stew you're gonna make this week?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a beauco, which is a Vietnamese beef stew,
Speaker 2: lemon grass down, bitch, Oh my god, I'm doing it
Speaker 2: on Sunday.
Speaker 3: We're back at work.
Speaker 1: You know, the top really jumps out when you talk
Speaker 1: about stew.
Speaker 3: The top.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've really been looking forward to this episode. I
Speaker 2: saw one of our guests at seth Myers. I had
Speaker 2: the privilege and honor of doing Second Chance Theater. Our
Speaker 2: guest remounted his legendary sketch called Mister Cotter, where he
Speaker 2: plays someone who has basically just rear ranged his life
Speaker 2: to look like his favorite actor, Gabe Kaplan from the
Speaker 2: sitcom Welcome Back Cotter.
Speaker 4: And no one knows what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: People loved Volta. Yeah, and so it's been on six times,
Speaker 2: been on six times, hilarious.
Speaker 1: We gave him the jacket hilarious, and.
Speaker 3: I stopped our guest.
Speaker 2: I said, you and Harper have to come on when
Speaker 2: the doc comes out Rave reviews at Sun Dance.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you know, one hundred percent I'm
Speaker 1: nottten tomatoes. That's all the percent. That's literally every percent
Speaker 1: you could get and not for nothing. But you watch
Speaker 1: it and it works on every level. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: an incredible story of friendship, of resilience. I mean, you'll learn,
Speaker 1: you will laugh. It's just got all the greats in it.
Speaker 1: And I really feel like I had so many emotions
Speaker 1: watching it. It's one of those like true feats of
Speaker 1: documentary film and that it captures so much. I mean,
Speaker 1: like it's it's just fucking great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's incredible. Will and Harper. It's not on
Speaker 2: Netflix September twenty seventh. You simply must watch. We're simply
Speaker 2: so happy.
Speaker 3: Yeah that our guests.
Speaker 1: Are here, give it up. Alphabetical, alphabetical, last Nattie, here
Speaker 1: we go. Welcome and see your ears Welfare on Harper Seal. Now, Yes,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Did you drive here?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Did you? Yeah? I love driving in New York.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, it's so easy today too. Today there's
Speaker 5: some events going on and I don't think it's Mariah Garry.
Speaker 1: It's art carry.
Speaker 2: She's performing at the UN General Assembly, which.
Speaker 5: Is also okay.
Speaker 3: I always come to Manhattan during the UN General Assembly.
Speaker 3: And I stay in Midtown in the un area. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: do you ever try, you ever try to get it.
Speaker 3: I've tried a couple of times as a foreign diplomat,
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm tackled to the ground. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yah, yeah. I was surprised they didn't let y'all into
Speaker 1: the White House because I feel like when you pointed
Speaker 1: to your face and said this is how we're getting
Speaker 1: in to see Big Joe, I thought this might work.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: I feel like you're gonna get pushback, Will, because I
Speaker 2: think that one of the first things that said in
Speaker 2: the film is you say hi, I'm Will Ferrell, one
Speaker 2: of the greatest actors of all time. And then Matt
Speaker 2: and I were like, well, yeah, truly you.
Speaker 1: Made it a joke and we think it's true.
Speaker 3: I don't like this. Are you listening to this? I'm not.
Speaker 5: I can't hear anything.
Speaker 3: No, thank you. I so appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Is this a matter of distup between the two of you.
Speaker 3: Well, it's been at that's a point of contention.
Speaker 1: What is your greatest role?
Speaker 3: Thank you God, I love this. This is the greatest
Speaker 3: podcast ever. I'm what is my greatest role? Human being?
Speaker 3: Human being?
Speaker 1: Human being like you the way you the way the way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think people do think you're great, and I
Speaker 5: think people need to know that there's work. There's just
Speaker 5: work to be done. We can improve every day.
Speaker 3: Of work in progress. I'm a work in progress.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, yeah, absolutely, I feel I'm progressing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're progressing every day. I'm almost there. Complete. Oh
Speaker 3: you feel yeah, you feel pretty good like you're Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I think, Okay, what is the greatest role?
Speaker 3: What is my greatest role? Yeah? Human being?
Speaker 1: I started stopping because this emotional immediately I didn't want
Speaker 1: I did want to ask about So in the beginning
Speaker 1: of the documentary, you talk about your beginnings at SNL.
Speaker 1: You really felt you were a flop. You didn't think
Speaker 1: people were getting it at first.
Speaker 3: Well, I kind of have to warm up to the room,
Speaker 3: I will be. Yeah, I'm not a guns of blazing
Speaker 3: at least back the like Cherio Terry was doing.
Speaker 5: You were confident. Yeah, I was, but it wasn't very
Speaker 5: subdued human beings.
Speaker 3: There were already clicks that had formed. People were way
Speaker 3: more like just really felt like they had been there
Speaker 3: the whole time. I'm like, wow, it just was overwhelming
Speaker 3: and yeah, but but it's funny to hear. It was
Speaker 3: funny to hear after like, you know, a couple of
Speaker 3: ris We're like, yeah, everyone just thought you were like
Speaker 3: you seemed nice, but yeah, he's not that funny. I
Speaker 3: don't know what he's gonna do on the like, who
Speaker 3: is that guy? Right? Why is he here?
Speaker 2: Even though it was the same start week for both
Speaker 2: of you, Yeah, we both started, but I had kind
Speaker 2: of come in with the John Stewart Show, so I had.
Speaker 5: A little clique, a little group of my own, and
Speaker 5: so yeah, I wasn't.
Speaker 3: I wasn't.
Speaker 5: And then Steve had already sort of gotten good with
Speaker 5: in with the Second City people because Cindy capan Era
Speaker 5: they were best friends. So I kind of had a
Speaker 5: little bit in and then I just would get asked
Speaker 5: every once in a while. We were all sort of
Speaker 5: sizing up talent.
Speaker 3: And I was also on the other side. My office
Speaker 3: was behind the page. Oh yeah, that wasn't part of
Speaker 3: the No Man's Land, And I walk over to that
Speaker 3: to the writer's room table side, and it was gales
Speaker 3: of laughter down.
Speaker 5: Gale Gale's bit Scalore, everyone doing it a bit, and I.
Speaker 3: Was laid on the bit and I didn't already understand
Speaker 3: the inside joke, and I go back to my Yeah.
Speaker 1: Not a good feeling to be outside of the bit.
Speaker 5: Well, also, he just wasn't enough for like bidding for.
Speaker 3: Do some longstance phone calls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on the phone, doing your own bit.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, I have touess I'll go
Speaker 3: to Ikea and my apartment. I don't know what else
Speaker 3: to do. They brought us in so early.
Speaker 5: Too, yeah, like really early early, like into August.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It was fun though, because there's no pressure at that point,
Speaker 5: so the show is not happening for a long time,
Speaker 5: and you're like, I can't wait for the show to start,
Speaker 5: which obviously we know that's not really fun.
Speaker 2: Well, you two came, I think, and it's documented in
Speaker 2: the documentary YouTube. Came on a on a read through day,
Speaker 2: I remember, and you both came down and just say
Speaker 2: hi everybody.
Speaker 1: It was so lovely. We'd heard the scuttle about that
Speaker 1: the doc was starting. Was Travis Kelcey, the host, Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 3: That was the week. Yeah, we were so. We were
Speaker 3: once again overwhelmed because that was not really read through
Speaker 3: in the studio. It was so foreign to us totally.
Speaker 1: It was a little yeah, you know what, we're recording
Speaker 1: this right before the first week back, and by the
Speaker 1: time this comes out, I'll know whether or not we're
Speaker 1: back on seven to seven.
Speaker 2: I think Louren that's the mission Lorn wants.
Speaker 5: It's such an intimate, such a better well. I mean,
Speaker 5: we can't. I can't compare because I didn't fit through
Speaker 5: a read through on this, but what I saw it
Speaker 5: looked sort of hollow. You get up there on seventeen.
Speaker 5: It's intimate and there's lots of yeah, the laughter you
Speaker 5: can hear and or when I wrote sketches often you
Speaker 5: couldn't hear the yeah acoustically. It's better up yeah.
Speaker 2: But by the time, when did the bits start of
Speaker 2: you walking around? And was it that you were Lisa
Speaker 2: Kudro's brother, like you were playing or you were playing
Speaker 2: someone's brother.
Speaker 3: You were like I was a Chip coudraise brother. There
Speaker 3: was no character by the way.
Speaker 1: You had glasses on.
Speaker 3: I had the same vocal intonation I wore, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: wore your greatest.
Speaker 5: Human you kind of a least, I think, but you
Speaker 5: kind of dumbed Chip down.
Speaker 3: A little bit. Chip Kudrow said, really.
Speaker 5: One line we He would sit at read through and
Speaker 5: we would all be going over the sketch and Chip
Speaker 5: would just go, I would invert that.
Speaker 3: That's all Chip would be at the rewrite there was
Speaker 3: super affable. Yeah sure, and then would just sit there
Speaker 3: smiling and yeah, give them something. And then somewhat Higgins
Speaker 3: or some we go, Chip, do you have? I would
Speaker 3: invert it.
Speaker 2: I would do the funny part the beginning, and then
Speaker 2: end on the I don't know.
Speaker 1: Wait, well, so then what would happen? Where would Chip be?
Speaker 1: Like where would Will be?
Speaker 2: When Chip was kind of just holding just being in.
Speaker 5: The room like Superman.
Speaker 1: And there was no distinguishing physical thing either. That's even
Speaker 1: better than the whole car Kent Bulls.
Speaker 3: But at what point was there the comfort to broach Chip?
Speaker 3: Because that huge That was at least it was not
Speaker 3: the first year. It was probably second or third year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not bad. It takes people a couple a couple.
Speaker 2: Of seasons to to show themselves.
Speaker 3: But that's the other place harpurn I bonded just constantly
Speaker 3: reminding ourselves and everyone else with the show that like
Speaker 3: we're doing comedy, let's not take it too seriously. We're
Speaker 3: going to fail. We know that failing is kind of
Speaker 3: yeah liberator, right, if you don't get Gabe Kaplan.
Speaker 2: But that ended up being such a triumph by the end.
Speaker 3: Well but sure it's funny.
Speaker 2: But you know, all it needed was someone to show
Speaker 2: a picture of what Gabe Kaplan looked like. And then
Speaker 2: when the reveal is that you look like him, it's funny.
Speaker 3: Can I bring up or you should talk about Box
Speaker 3: of Ship?
Speaker 1: Now talk about Oh I don't know.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, well no, no, no, I'm very proud of Box
Speaker 5: of Ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first two seasons, that's a rural culture. At
Speaker 1: number eighty, I'm really proud of a box of shit.
Speaker 5: The first few seasons of the SNL, I would compile
Speaker 5: a viewing party called the Box of Ship. It was
Speaker 5: the worst sketches of the year, good and I had
Speaker 5: to you have to include one of your own because
Speaker 5: it's you know, you can't.
Speaker 3: Kiss imagine we all we all had shitty sketches.
Speaker 5: Yeah, some people weren't invited to the Box of Ship
Speaker 5: viewing party because they didn't have the same attitude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you have to be careful there.
Speaker 5: But if you're thinking what eye on the Box of Ship?
Speaker 1: Yes, you were, yeah, you have to be able to
Speaker 1: roll in the box of ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it became a point of pride of course,
Speaker 3: Box of ship. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And we had this one sketch and I'm not going
Speaker 5: to name who it was. It was a commercial parody,
Speaker 5: but there was a laugh on it that was from
Speaker 5: maybe forty second Street.
Speaker 3: It was the only laugh.
Speaker 5: It was so far away from the building and so
Speaker 5: and we just analyzed it over and over again.
Speaker 3: Was it a laugh?
Speaker 5: Where did it come from? But it was silent, a
Speaker 5: commercial parody that was silent.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like and the phantom laugh is just a s
Speaker 2: fuzz of static.
Speaker 1: It was like.
Speaker 2: Forty second Street.
Speaker 5: You were like, oh, that's just someone out on forty seconds.
Speaker 3: Can you do that again? That's very you sound.
Speaker 5: People get out your equipment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, they're gonna do what they're gonna do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're open the pods.
Speaker 3: Yes, Is that the right terminology? Really? Okay?
Speaker 1: You always think, you always think whenever you go into
Speaker 1: like a studio or something, that there's going to be
Speaker 1: knobs like this everywhere. Nowadays, very few.
Speaker 3: Knobs like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, I'm doing this too, As if
Speaker 1: there's like one one the glamour of recording one one
Speaker 1: one pod. This is hanging off for the other side
Speaker 1: and you sort of slide the nob and go, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. Turn the games up. I don't know what
Speaker 1: a single one are actually, thank you. I have some experience.
Speaker 1: I'm near some knobs. Now, this is very antiquated. You
Speaker 1: need to email somebody.
Speaker 3: Face the screen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's not where you should be facing.
Speaker 6: Having been said, what if I touch this, I wouldn't
Speaker 6: do nothing. If you touch that, nothing, don't do it.
Speaker 6: Don't you don't produce this podcast? Do you want us
Speaker 6: to go down and flames?
Speaker 3: It's the only good thing we had.
Speaker 1: I thought about the joy of producing.
Speaker 5: Well, can I say something because I don't think people
Speaker 5: will knows how much do you evolved?
Speaker 3: He is producing?
Speaker 5: He was under the table here working wires this morning.
Speaker 3: I got in here, and what about I was a
Speaker 3: little bit late. So I got in here at six thirty.
Speaker 3: I'm sure here at five thirty. Yeah, and I was
Speaker 3: real I was making sure the board was hooked up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: I got the sony.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's for him. You know.
Speaker 3: I line these up and I make sure the coffee
Speaker 3: machine was working. Did you get did you.
Speaker 5: Get this really cold coffee for everyone.
Speaker 3: Getting?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Harbor, you're not a fan of cold coffee. You
Speaker 2: want it hot.
Speaker 3: I wanted a hot coffee, but it wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 1: So it can't always happen because the thing about hot
Speaker 1: coffee is it can become cold, whereas cold coffee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: become warm, but it.
Speaker 3: Can't ever become right, Yeah, of course, of course. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well you know, if you don't expect anything, you're not
Speaker 1: were disappointed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pull out a paperback novel, right exactly.
Speaker 1: I think that one of my favorite parts of the
Speaker 1: doc was seeing you guys all interact with you know,
Speaker 1: Tina and Seth and Colin and everyone together, And I wonder, like,
Speaker 1: what is that like to go into the room with
Speaker 1: all those people, And of course there's going to be
Speaker 1: the bits, but there is this very real thing of
Speaker 1: this transformation and this change. Yeah, what were those emotions
Speaker 1: that were going through your mind?
Speaker 5: Well, very family like because and I know, Bo, when
Speaker 5: you're there now, you probably hate everyone there, of course
Speaker 5: you do, but but he'll.
Speaker 3: Never say the truth.
Speaker 5: But but I guarantee you in ten years that's your
Speaker 5: high school, you will love those people. So much so
Speaker 5: when I came out, the email got out to these
Speaker 5: various people that I worked with at Saturday Life, they
Speaker 5: were so supportive, so sweet. So walking into that room
Speaker 5: was just really sweet and yeah, felt like a family.
Speaker 5: I mean, I just was so happy to see every
Speaker 5: one of them except for Colin Joe's.
Speaker 3: And no one wants.
Speaker 1: Did Tim actually respond thinking it was a bit? Or
Speaker 1: was that a bit?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 5: I didn't respond that aggressively that a bit? I think, yeah,
Speaker 5: he he got the news from an old friend of ours,
Speaker 5: Marci Klein, and I think it came to Tim. And
Speaker 5: there's a way to tell someone that they've transitioned, and
Speaker 5: then there's a way maybe not to but I hope.
Speaker 2: You don't feel that your way was not the right
Speaker 2: way because it was completely personal and oh yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah no, and I and I know, I mean, it
Speaker 5: was again everyone, which to me is the laughable thing.
Speaker 5: We have a friend who came out on the Ellen Show,
Speaker 5: but they were working at Ellen for like ten years
Speaker 5: before they had the courage to come out this game,
Speaker 5: and You're like, how is that possible? And I have
Speaker 5: that feeling like why was I so afraid in the
Speaker 5: world of entertainment? Is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's sort of well outside of it.
Speaker 1: But one thing that I that doesn't really come up
Speaker 1: in the documentary, but that I was thinking about is
Speaker 1: I was thinking back to that time and even when
Speaker 1: we were really coming up in comedy, like It's funny.
Speaker 1: The other day there was a piece on Bowen and
Speaker 1: we talk about the sketch that we wrote many years ago.
Speaker 1: Was that first sketch that Bowen ever performed.
Speaker 3: In our I wrote it.
Speaker 1: It was called it was about Joan from man Man.
Speaker 1: I wrote it, and we were talking about it and
Speaker 1: I was like kind of reminiscing, and then I went
Speaker 1: back to those sketches and I was like looking in
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen at some of the sketches and I opened
Speaker 1: one up. Yeah, and in the very first line there's
Speaker 1: a transphobic joke. And we were queer, we felt very progressive,
Speaker 1: and I actually had to sit back in my chair
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, it flew out in the
Speaker 1: first line. And then I really thought to myself about
Speaker 1: how prevalent not only just casual racism, casual missagy, but
Speaker 1: transphobia was world absolutely. And so when we talk about
Speaker 1: the entertainment world, you were in the comedy world. Of
Speaker 1: course there was some Oh yeah, and I just wanted
Speaker 1: to ask, like to speak to that, Like, I'm certain
Speaker 1: that if we went back to SNL sketches from your tenures,
Speaker 1: there were things.
Speaker 5: Oh definitely things I not would not write again at all.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to know that you were dealing with this in
Speaker 1: the midst of that, was that a rub or did
Speaker 1: you find yourself participating in that type of comedy writing,
Speaker 1: because that's just kind of what you did.
Speaker 5: I think I got so good at disassociating that it
Speaker 5: just was and not paying attention to how anxious or
Speaker 5: how miserable. I was not paying attention to that side,
Speaker 5: just letting this thing keep going, and just making sure
Speaker 5: that the train state on the track, always doing the job,
Speaker 5: just constantly, just and I love the job and I
Speaker 5: love the people. So it's like one of these kind
Speaker 5: of impossible things to explain. You're just living this experience
Speaker 5: that seems in every way beautiful, and it was in
Speaker 5: a lot of ways, and then there's just this other
Speaker 5: side that's falling apart.
Speaker 3: Do you think I was saying, do you think that
Speaker 3: disassociation led to I mean, you're a funny person. But
Speaker 3: do you think comedy was a way to not.
Speaker 5: Oh, without a doubt. No, I mean when I was
Speaker 5: a kid, Yeah, exactly. I mean I became a class
Speaker 5: clown for a reason.
Speaker 3: You know, I had to distract.
Speaker 1: You, flourish, but also hide.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, of course. Yeah.
Speaker 5: You know, I think a lot of comedians it's not
Speaker 5: being trans, are being queer or anything. There's a lot
Speaker 5: of things people are hiding in a comedy room, and yeah,
Speaker 5: I think I you know, it's just a very disassociated
Speaker 5: kind of world.
Speaker 3: Really. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean there's a moment in the dock that's really
Speaker 2: beautiful where it's YouTube with Forte on a hot air balloon.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that, man, I love that.
Speaker 3: What a beautiful man to get to that shoot.
Speaker 5: Belfte went through thirty different Yeah, and probably another hot
Speaker 5: air balloon.
Speaker 3: He interrupted, like a ski vacation, yeah, or something to
Speaker 3: meet us on because we knew we were hitting Albuquerque
Speaker 3: at a certain date and like most people, Oh, I'm busy,
Speaker 3: I can't no, no, got out of there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's a thing that Harper says where she where you say?
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes I wish I had come out sooner.
Speaker 2: But if I had then I might not have met
Speaker 2: you guys, and I might not have had a comedy job.
Speaker 2: And I wanted to ask about this, what you feel
Speaker 2: about this, Like temporal aspect to being a trans person,
Speaker 2: You've always been a transperson, Yain. But then the moment
Speaker 2: of coming out or of transition, which are also two
Speaker 2: separate things that are chronologically undifferent. Low Si, Let's say,
Speaker 2: how do we like reconcile those things though, I like,
Speaker 2: you've always been this person, yeah, and yet the moment
Speaker 2: of coming out is incredibly consequential.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I try to kind of reconcile it with
Speaker 5: the sort of transness of my whole life.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So, like a lot of the transness seep through in
Speaker 5: so many great ways. And that's just that thing inside
Speaker 5: me fighting me the whole time and finally winning. And
Speaker 5: that's a really joyous thing to think about. Like I
Speaker 5: thought it so hard for so long, or when I say, ah,
Speaker 5: this is all complicated, but yes, I tried to keep
Speaker 5: this thing down and it just kept fighting back.
Speaker 3: So yes, on the other side of it, it's.
Speaker 5: Like to come out in nineteen seventy nine, I mean,
Speaker 5: which I wish I could have done. I wish I
Speaker 5: could have come out in nineteen seventy nine. I'm not
Speaker 5: I would have been as beautiful as Hunter's Shafer, but
Speaker 5: oh my god, but if I could have come out,
Speaker 5: then that would have been wonderful. I just don't know
Speaker 5: if the world would have been the same. And to
Speaker 5: get to Lorne Michaels wouldn't have hired a trans woman
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety six. I mean, I'm sure lorn Oh, no,
Speaker 5: of course I would have. No, he's not doing that.
Speaker 5: I mean I could have had a wonderful life. I
Speaker 5: don't know what that life is. I'm not saying it
Speaker 5: was going to be misery or anything, but yeah, I
Speaker 5: just I also value all the friends and people I
Speaker 5: made sort of just being half myself, you know.
Speaker 2: All that aside, though, it is I think pretty incredible
Speaker 2: that snel Like has already had a transhad writer.
Speaker 3: Oh I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at the cast and the crew and the
Speaker 5: writers now and it's it's just like, yes, thank you, I'm.
Speaker 2: Talking about I'm talking about you. Like anytime you ask
Speaker 2: me like, oh, what's it like with this? You know, oh,
Speaker 2: of course for your sensibility that's broken in, I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's broken. I think it's always been there,
Speaker 2: like there's.
Speaker 5: A second female head writer. I mean, yeah, yeah, goddam
Speaker 5: girl boss about that that you didn't need.
Speaker 3: That much way? When is it enough? Gorgeously? Did you
Speaker 3: not see that I was a woman?
Speaker 1: You seen that?
Speaker 3: This is Tina's fault.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tina impressed me to get ahead.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 1: People magazines coming for you. One thing that really blew
Speaker 1: me away is, and it always bows me away, is
Speaker 1: when someone has a passion for solo road trips through
Speaker 1: the middle of the country. And one thing that this
Speaker 1: is part of the ride that I was on and
Speaker 1: watching the documentary, was how I was checking in with
Speaker 1: my body, like when you guys go into those bars,
Speaker 1: those hole in the wall bars. I had like a
Speaker 1: response to it. And one thing that I think was
Speaker 1: my pull from this was not only how beautiful your
Speaker 1: story was and how beautiful your friendship is, but how
Speaker 1: afraid I really am of those spaces and how I
Speaker 1: feel like whether it's I've been conditioned or I've learned
Speaker 1: and need to unlearn, but I myself have a phobia
Speaker 1: of a type of person. I think that is learned
Speaker 1: because whether it's a trauma response or something be being
Speaker 1: defensive like and I know that I can code switch
Speaker 1: in those spaces if I wanted to. In fact, I
Speaker 1: did it many years to survive in my.
Speaker 5: Own road switching today with you like.
Speaker 1: This, I didn't, but like any think, the reason I
Speaker 1: even owned this shirt is because I had it a
Speaker 1: long time ago. But just the ability to go into
Speaker 1: those spaces is now one that you have to think
Speaker 1: about in a different way. And I think, were you
Speaker 1: actively nervous those whole times? Did you feel protected by
Speaker 1: the cameras and by Will's presence and so was that Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I guess yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean I wasn't as nervous. I mean that bar
Speaker 5: going in by myself was a weird experience. I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm looking around at people I grew up with. I
Speaker 5: knew that world a little bit. That felt weird. But
Speaker 5: I also had a camera crew and my buddy Will
Speaker 5: was outside, Yeah, and I knew he was going to
Speaker 5: come in. So whenever I was traveling with Will, I
Speaker 5: didn't have a sort of typical trans experience obviously. But no,
Speaker 5: I've been back and forth twice now and I still,
Speaker 5: like you, I'm not sure I'm going to go back
Speaker 5: into that kind of bar at night, I will go
Speaker 5: into truck stops and the places that I love and
Speaker 5: I have and I and I feel way more confident.
Speaker 5: But no, I mean and code switching is such a
Speaker 5: funny thing. There's a thing in this documentary. It just
Speaker 5: bothers me every time I see it. We're in that
Speaker 5: Oklahoma bar and and I'm talking to people and I go,
Speaker 5: y'all and uh and and I at this fear based
Speaker 5: you know, And it's not It's not a bad thing
Speaker 5: to be fearful.
Speaker 3: It's safety, right.
Speaker 5: And I grew up in Iowa, and I know what
Speaker 5: y'all means, and I've said it, but every time I
Speaker 5: see it now, I'm like, aren't.
Speaker 3: You proud to be out Harper Steel?
Speaker 5: Why you don't need to say y'all?
Speaker 3: Y'all?
Speaker 5: Well, I still do a little bit.
Speaker 1: Oh what do you mean? What's what's scary about y'all?
Speaker 1: Or what's what is it?
Speaker 5: Just I'm just trying to connect with these people in
Speaker 5: a way I am code switching. I'm trying to connect
Speaker 5: with them and like, don't hurt me basically totally.
Speaker 2: And I but I think there's I don't know where
Speaker 2: how this nests together.
Speaker 3: But I feel like.
Speaker 2: There's there's code switching, and then there's also like I
Speaker 2: would consider the y'all a signal just and like a
Speaker 2: pretty you know what.
Speaker 3: I take that back, You're right.
Speaker 5: I code switching has become a kind of a dirty word,
Speaker 5: and it's actually just a to communicate sometimes with people.
Speaker 5: And I'm a hard of myself. But when you do
Speaker 5: a great bro, what do you mean I've seen I've
Speaker 5: heard your bro, you do a really good very.
Speaker 3: I heard yeah, so yeah, so believe me you can
Speaker 3: code switch. Wow, you haven't seen this guy do his brother?
Speaker 3: Look at him? Whatever? Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't like attention, bro.
Speaker 2: This is the thing. This is the thing about like
Speaker 2: straight straight guys can.
Speaker 1: Like, you know, wink at each other and be a
Speaker 1: little bit whatever. I'll say this. I went to a
Speaker 1: straight wedding recently. I went to a straight wedding recently.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. God, I'm just like, yeah, so
Speaker 1: you get away with it.
Speaker 3: But I would never do anyway here.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. I went to a straight wedding recently,
Speaker 1: and the straight men who are so comfortable with themselves
Speaker 1: are touching are all over me. I think that they
Speaker 1: wanted it more than any games because game man are
Speaker 1: so aloof yeah, and they're so like like everyone wants
Speaker 1: to be like the one, whereas these straight guys are
Speaker 1: like whether they're gonna go there because it's something intrinsic
Speaker 1: that they don't know about or like whatever. I feel
Speaker 1: vibes with them, and I am a I know vibes.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: If I know anything, I think it's because of the
Speaker 1: code switching.
Speaker 3: Okay, I know what it means to.
Speaker 1: Be repressed or press or pressed, and then when something
Speaker 1: feels open, like it's like a certain openness, Yeah, they're interested,
Speaker 1: like I don't know what it is, and.
Speaker 3: It's married guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm just saying there's there's no.
Speaker 5: But this is a person who's very comfortable in his skin, skin,
Speaker 5: and I envied I always envy that right in people.
Speaker 3: You know. Uh, that was so nice. That was a
Speaker 3: lovely compliment. Did you write Mark Spitz?
Speaker 5: I did not write the Mark Spitz, okay, but that was.
Speaker 3: A lovely moment in the dock.
Speaker 1: But also study was telling me last night, was Robert
Speaker 1: Gulay that was your last season? Was that all in
Speaker 1: the last season? Probably okay, but it was like it was,
Speaker 1: it was towards the end. I feel like, Harper, your
Speaker 1: tenure on the show is pretty expansive, like you're obviously
Speaker 1: there when Will was there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was there and Amy and all. He's really
Speaker 3: wonderful great, I mean, not to mention, really fostered so
Speaker 3: many voices at Funnier Die Harper was like, go to office,
Speaker 3: creative director. Yeah, and you'd stop by her office to
Speaker 3: get an idea or get a note, and she would
Speaker 3: she was.
Speaker 5: Like, I mean, I'm kind of a genius.
Speaker 2: Not see not kind of genius.
Speaker 1: You threw it away, but it's true. Oops. I crapped
Speaker 1: my pants when you came out with that shirt. I
Speaker 1: flashed all the way back. That was one of the
Speaker 1: like I do I think I downloaded like that. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say kaza like Napster, but not you weren't
Speaker 1: going to go to prison for it.
Speaker 3: Albert nine Stein didn't speak until he was six years old.
Speaker 3: When did you first speak? No, I spoke as soon
Speaker 3: as I came How are you so much? Talk with
Speaker 3: my sexuality?
Speaker 2: And then they did, and then they did, is there
Speaker 2: a unicycle nearby?
Speaker 1: So that that was completely random that was no, there's.
Speaker 5: Nothing, there's nothing composed documentary and and that was very strange.
Speaker 3: And the and the therapist at the Grand Canyon was
Speaker 3: like trying to make amends for Yeah, for.
Speaker 1: Those who haven't seen it, he hasn't come out yet.
Speaker 1: There are a couple of moments in here where you're
Speaker 1: talking about how you would unicycle around your neighborhood.
Speaker 3: Your child in front of your childhood home, and.
Speaker 1: Then a unicyclist just and you get on the unicycle and.
Speaker 5: In that was which bad form I'm going to say
Speaker 5: for all unicycles out there, for the unicyclist press, that's
Speaker 5: gonna do, like the review.
Speaker 1: A new one, they're gonna rip the way you went
Speaker 1: up that hill too. You had to maneuver some terrain,
Speaker 1: the course strength. It was impressive.
Speaker 3: That's gotten every screening, that's gotten an applause break when
Speaker 3: she gets.
Speaker 1: It's the don't rain on my parade of the year,
Speaker 1: And there's always one every year, there's.
Speaker 5: Always be one. Let's start nineteen ten.
Speaker 2: There's you know what I mean, I think there is
Speaker 2: some buzz starting about. I mean, obviously the a unicycle parade,
Speaker 2: the unicycle parade that's starting up and I think that's
Speaker 2: I think don't.
Speaker 5: Please, don't please, don't make me go in the.
Speaker 1: Bow is hitting at buzz.
Speaker 2: For the docks, for the dock, but also a buzz
Speaker 2: for and this is a little bit of a spoiler, but.
Speaker 1: Started though Kristen has a song, Kristin Wig rights. So
Speaker 1: the running bit of like the Chekhov's gun at the
Speaker 1: beginning of like, write us a song and then you
Speaker 1: almost think it's not gonna happen, and then it happens.
Speaker 2: And when it happens it is like the final release
Speaker 2: for me emotionally.
Speaker 5: I just wonderful. She's just like and that was a
Speaker 5: surprise to us. We didn't know that it was happening.
Speaker 3: We did the bit and we just called her and
Speaker 3: actually hadn't heard anything. We just thought I went checking with.
Speaker 1: Josh, well did she write and and the direct Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Josh Josh, Josh.
Speaker 3: He's like, Josh is like, when do you guys come up?
Speaker 3: I made a few more little edits or try I'd
Speaker 3: like you guys to just watch the movie one more time,
Speaker 3: like okay, sure we come in And then he he
Speaker 3: revealed at the end, Wow did Barbon star? Yes?
Speaker 5: Yes, so he knew Kristen and was able to go
Speaker 5: and cajole her into your writing a song.
Speaker 3: But oh my god, I love her her death.
Speaker 1: She's so brilliant. And also the song is not only
Speaker 1: beautiful but also funny and the jazz I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know it goes play music.
Speaker 5: We gave her some interesting notes, yes, but yes, that's
Speaker 5: part of the bit.
Speaker 3: And yet she kind of makes yeah except did she
Speaker 3: pull off the country? No? Yeah, yeah, I think it
Speaker 3: lived in there a little bit. Take it back? What
Speaker 3: d what terrible terrible song? Right off off?
Speaker 2: I think we should ask Harper the questions hit. We're
Speaker 2: gonna ask you the question we ask all of our guests,
Speaker 2: Harper Steel, what was the culture that made you say?
Speaker 3: Culture was for me?
Speaker 5: I hope this is a good answer, because I really
Speaker 5: don't know what you guys mean by them.
Speaker 1: That's actually.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 5: But I'm going to tell you so Rocky our pictures
Speaker 5: show it wasn't the movie. I was in Chicago. I
Speaker 5: saw it with friends. Afterwards. It was at the Biograph Theater.
Speaker 5: Afterwards we went to a diner. I'm sitting with my
Speaker 5: broie friends and incomes for queens. Yeah, and they're over
Speaker 5: here and I'm over here. I'm watching this group over here.
Speaker 5: And if I could have split my body in half
Speaker 5: at that point, I would have gone over to that table.
Speaker 5: But something kept me over on this side, and it
Speaker 5: was it was intense.
Speaker 3: I could feel it like, oh, there it is over there.
Speaker 3: You can reach it.
Speaker 5: Nope, can't have it.
Speaker 1: So this was after you had seen it.
Speaker 5: So I was nineteen eighty one, maybe I was twenty
Speaker 5: years old.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you just to be clear you, I
Speaker 3: went to Sea Rock Era Pictures show.
Speaker 5: The whole night was magical, people up on stage doing
Speaker 5: Frankenfurt or whatever, but it was really just being in
Speaker 5: that neighborhood sort of Chicago neighborhood.
Speaker 3: I can't remember what it is, but Link Park, God,
Speaker 3: thank you you have the fairground.
Speaker 5: I'm so happy that. No, this is my this is
Speaker 5: my hype, man, I need this h But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 5: it was.
Speaker 3: It was in this neighborhood.
Speaker 5: And there's obviously where people when you saw the movie
Speaker 5: and then I'm sitting there looking and I don't know
Speaker 5: what their gender was or anything.
Speaker 3: Just was just like, oh, this is fun.
Speaker 2: Over there were there remarks from the bros at the table.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, one was really.
Speaker 5: In fact, there was another person who came out later
Speaker 5: at the table.
Speaker 3: I was in touch with any of those bro.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, no, of course some of those brothers,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: So I was hanging out with Lorne Michaels and we
Speaker 5: were just like, Hey, the cubs are playing.
Speaker 3: The more, I've got an idea for the show. You're
Speaker 3: I'm thinking of going back.
Speaker 5: Going back, what you should it's gonna be. I told him,
Speaker 5: I said, go back, you have to go back more.
Speaker 5: And I think it's gonna work.
Speaker 1: It needs you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But anyway, that was my culture moment. I don't know
Speaker 5: if that's perfect answer.
Speaker 1: In fact, I actually feel a little scene by the
Speaker 1: answer because when we were eighteen, one of the Welcome
Speaker 1: Week activities that I did, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: remember this, but they had the Rocky Horror Picture Show
Speaker 1: at NYU and they were showing the movie and it
Speaker 1: was interactive and it was one of those things I
Speaker 1: had never I didn't I think I was aware of
Speaker 1: what Rocky har was. I think I just thought it
Speaker 1: was a movie with Susan Sarandon as I want to think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: But then in seeing what it was and seeing that
Speaker 1: it was a place for people to truly lit there,
Speaker 1: I guess, freak flag flag and access this part of
Speaker 1: yourself that was like the animal. And then you know
Speaker 1: what's funny is a couple months later, Lady Gaga would
Speaker 1: sort of take over New York and the little monster
Speaker 1: thing would happen, and it almost felt like something was
Speaker 1: speaking to me on high, don't see these things and
Speaker 1: feel these things. And I remember they had a moment
Speaker 1: in the thing where they stopped it and they said,
Speaker 1: we're going to come out into the audience and we're
Speaker 1: going to pick people out of the crowd, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna come up and everyone's going to do a fake orgasm. Whoa,
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: For some reason, I wouldn't have been able to do
Speaker 3: it at all, No way, I don't know why.
Speaker 1: But I raised my hand, yeah, and I went up
Speaker 1: there and I did a terrible fa orgasm and I
Speaker 1: got booed.
Speaker 3: One of the time we went down the line. You
Speaker 3: still get line everyone.
Speaker 1: They lined us all up and there were these people
Speaker 1: on like fish nets of course, like everywhere. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like they got to me and I did this horrible thing.
Speaker 1: I think it was wearing American ego, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it was like I was in by
Speaker 1: like Long Island Drag, very much like this, and I
Speaker 1: did a terrible one and they booed me and I
Speaker 1: went to sit in my seat and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I am so far away from being the person I
Speaker 1: want to be. Yah, because you have so many checkpoints.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And it wasn't going to happen. Just wasn't
Speaker 5: going to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never seen Rocky horror.
Speaker 2: Will Farah, can I tell you something? If you sit
Speaker 2: will I haven't either.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, because I was about to say, when Will
Speaker 5: sees it, he will come.
Speaker 3: Out Ah probably yeah, chance it will you guys, I
Speaker 3: wasn't number Wow.
Speaker 1: Wait, I can't believe you've never seen it either.
Speaker 3: I remember it was necessary, really, it was at a
Speaker 3: certain point.
Speaker 1: It's really it came at a time when I was like,
Speaker 1: you want to know what it was the way you
Speaker 1: felt compelled to go over there. I was compelled to
Speaker 1: get up on the stage and I didn't sort of body.
Speaker 1: It was like I'm raising my hands and I went
Speaker 1: up there and had a bad experience, but it ended
Speaker 1: up being memorable, and it ended up being really formative
Speaker 1: because I remember looking around and seeing people who didn't
Speaker 1: seem to care about anyone thinking about them and looking,
Speaker 1: Oh they look gay, or they look weird, Are they
Speaker 1: look dark fucked? Are they ugly? Or they look really
Speaker 1: fucking hot? You know what? It was just everyone being
Speaker 1: all those things all at once, and the screaming and
Speaker 1: the lack of the forum being a sign there was
Speaker 1: something about it that made me and I think few
Speaker 1: years later we would discover like, you know, it's weird
Speaker 1: now because it's such a mainstream part of culture. But
Speaker 1: RuPaul's drag race at the time, and when I started
Speaker 1: was like whoa drag? RuPaul saying you're all born naked
Speaker 1: and the rest is drag. You don't have to beat
Speaker 1: in these boxes. That was like a revolution and people.
Speaker 2: Coming out as trans on the show, not giving a
Speaker 2: vocabulary to people.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Over time, Yeah, but it's interesting you say that.
Speaker 2: But I feel like, see, you're still holding on to
Speaker 2: some of those there's still some residue from that time,
Speaker 2: like the met shirt, let's say, right, and like the
Speaker 2: American Eagles sort of like aesthetic and I feel like
Speaker 2: what I also really enjoyed about the documentary and Harper's
Speaker 2: story is that like there's this identity with the road
Speaker 2: tripping and like knowing where all the record the best
Speaker 2: record stores are drinking.
Speaker 5: Should he be I'm not going to lose that. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's I consider that, Harper, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like knowing, like I think Seth makes a
Speaker 2: joke of like, oh god, the list of the best
Speaker 2: dumpster like dumpsters for you, No.
Speaker 5: One wants my list of places to go in the country.
Speaker 3: I think my favorite filled with unused furniture.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 5: Oh it's my favorite line. Yeah, I love that line.
Speaker 2: I mean I feel like there you I feel like
Speaker 2: there's this really beautiful connection to like beautiful ruin or something.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah. No, I mean yeah, there's a there's a
Speaker 5: bad side where I felt like a monster, and then
Speaker 5: there's the good side where I see beauty and monsters.
Speaker 5: So they're they're just sort of back and forth fighting
Speaker 5: each other.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you developed like a queer community. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like you know there's queer people that are it's
Speaker 1: slow developing.
Speaker 5: Now, it's slow developing. Yeah, I have some trans friends.
Speaker 5: It's flow developing. It's one of those things that I
Speaker 5: just am looking for the queer community. That's the community
Speaker 5: is most afraid of for this doc I don't there's
Speaker 5: so many that trans community can get a little snipy too,
Speaker 5: and I was really afraid. And then I did some
Speaker 5: screening just for queer audiences and it was.
Speaker 3: It was incredible.
Speaker 5: I mean you said it was super emotional. Oh no,
Speaker 5: I'm crying. I'm on the cover of The Advocate.
Speaker 3: This is like huge, Like I just like if I
Speaker 3: can toot her horn, she's she was in a Toronto
Speaker 3: film festival, was on a panel of queer trans filmmakers,
Speaker 3: and it was just, yeah, you were like the star
Speaker 3: of the I was not. I they were amazing. They
Speaker 3: were amazing. You were so hilarious and Harper and well
Speaker 3: that I am. And then a big group came to
Speaker 3: our screening that night and Harper was holding court with
Speaker 3: all these young trans and it felt me. It feels
Speaker 3: really good. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, but it's a slow process for me because
Speaker 5: I've been so resistant. So you know, I feel like
Speaker 5: you are so invite me to.
Speaker 3: Your next party, of course, both of you.
Speaker 5: I feel like, well, no, not will Yeah, I don't
Speaker 5: have to.
Speaker 3: I mean I'd love to.
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel super uncomfortable around.
Speaker 3: I make a great stew. I make a great stew.
Speaker 3: Go for the top.
Speaker 1: You guys should do a stew party and watch Rocky
Speaker 1: hornor for the first time, we'll do something else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we have to break this the old Rocky horror.
Speaker 2: You're talking about. This fight, you know, between your body
Speaker 2: and your mind is your whole life. And then I
Speaker 2: think you were telling your kids before you set off
Speaker 2: on the trip that this was a way for you
Speaker 2: to come out more.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean if there's an altruistic reason.
Speaker 5: There was a trans legislation being passed across the country
Speaker 5: that's been very violent and very you guys know, the
Speaker 5: political landscape out there for trans people and for queer
Speaker 5: people in general. But so that was a reason to
Speaker 5: do it in terms of like, oh, this will have
Speaker 5: maybe some use, but also will and I like to
Speaker 5: make weird things. We do a lot of weird projects.
Speaker 1: And I mean, and we're here to promote girl Visions.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so when will sort of like said lifetime movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah. So so it's like I should the
Speaker 5: opportunity to do this sort of strange thing. Also, was
Speaker 5: I jumped at it? And then yes, of course anything
Speaker 5: that's helped me because you come out, you know, and
Speaker 5: I don't know if this is through of alterns. My
Speaker 5: experience as I came out and every day is just
Speaker 5: more confidence. So it's like there's a learn there's a
Speaker 5: thing that just you just kind of keep moving forward.
Speaker 5: And I just thought, oh, well, this is gonna really
Speaker 5: just make me just I'm done, you know, And that's
Speaker 5: and that did. It was really wonderful experience. And I
Speaker 5: did go back across the country again and both ways,
Speaker 5: and yeah, it's just easier.
Speaker 3: What I love about working on stuff with Harper is
Speaker 3: that we don't necessarily know that it's going to work
Speaker 3: or connect with a big part of the audience, but
Speaker 3: we know it will definitely connect with a specific part
Speaker 3: of it. It's genuine and it will always feel proud
Speaker 3: of it. And even though that's sometimes hard to in
Speaker 3: Hollywood to push that through the committee, but yeah, if
Speaker 3: you give us a couple of swings, we'll make something original.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I think what you're getting at is this thing that
Speaker 2: I was saying earlier, which is like you don't have
Speaker 2: to understand something or someone in order.
Speaker 3: To appreciate just appreciate it.
Speaker 2: And I feel like that is kind of the beautiful
Speaker 2: thing about this documentary is that like you will, you
Speaker 2: are being such a such a wonderful and I think
Speaker 2: I think this is a perfect example. Study was talking
Speaker 2: about this last night, Like you set this perfect example
Speaker 2: of someone is really opening up to you and peeling back.
Speaker 3: The layers and you are just there to listen and say.
Speaker 2: Not and not be like no, you're you're amazing. Why
Speaker 2: would you feel this way? You're just there to not
Speaker 2: and listen and walk alongside someone. I think that is
Speaker 2: such a good model that isn't really common, yeah, in
Speaker 2: terms of friendship, but I feel like even with Harper
Speaker 2: going into these bars and these spaces that are maybe
Speaker 2: potentially hostile, like there are people who like, upon meeting
Speaker 2: a trans person kind of like put their shields down
Speaker 2: and then there's connection that happens. And that is this
Speaker 2: thing that like you don't have to understand and everything
Speaker 2: a trans person goes through in order to see them
Speaker 2: as a as a human being.
Speaker 1: Yeah, another thing too, in addition to all of that,
Speaker 1: it's just like the allyship. And you know, it feels
Speaker 1: like we say it so much that it sort of
Speaker 1: loses its meaning. It's sort of like when you say
Speaker 1: like representation matters, like it feels like a like a
Speaker 1: press thing now or something, but it really is important,
Speaker 1: like the allyship, and like there if there needs to
Speaker 1: be a new way to say it for it to
Speaker 1: have impact in a different way. It's just like the
Speaker 1: whole time I was thinking, like this allyship is giving comfort,
Speaker 1: and when there is comfort, there is the opportunity for dialogue.
Speaker 1: And that's why it's important that there are allies, because
Speaker 1: like we need to be able to communicate about these things,
Speaker 1: because it's only when we communicate that, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe someone watching who sees you walk into that bar,
Speaker 1: shoulders aren't going to be up here, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, because I did drop my shoulders there. When
Speaker 1: you started to see the dialogue, that young man and
Speaker 1: his girlfriend coming over to you, and you know, even
Speaker 1: after he misgenders you, there is the dialogue. There is
Speaker 1: not the thing of there was a misgendering, and then
Speaker 1: the conversation.
Speaker 3: Is over and he was receptive to the correction, right,
Speaker 3: receptive to.
Speaker 1: The correction, not defensive. And also then there was an
Speaker 1: opportunity to share and to learn and to feel good
Speaker 1: about it. And I also think as comedians sometimes and
Speaker 1: probably I think this is something we can all identify with,
Speaker 1: but we're scared of vulnerability because then that would mean
Speaker 1: because you want to know what, the boys are not vulnerable.
Speaker 1: They have always thought of it as and you talk
Speaker 1: about this like I want to get to the point
Speaker 1: where I can see my vulnerabilities as a strength, and
Speaker 1: that is something I think is really important to as
Speaker 1: comedians like call out it's like we're scared of vulnerability.
Speaker 1: And then you know, just I can say from listening
Speaker 1: to our fans like they respond to that, they learn
Speaker 1: from that, and we're.
Speaker 5: Learning from this, learning that vulnerability is a superpower. It's
Speaker 5: like to be vulnerable isn't Because I'm just getting into
Speaker 5: so much deeper conversations with people around me because they
Speaker 5: see vulnerability and I express it. I don't have no
Speaker 5: problem with it. So that's been a that's been just
Speaker 5: a crazy the result of all of this.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I think is it's just it's it
Speaker 1: was that era too, like that sort of late nineties,
Speaker 1: early aughts through the aughts thing, and like whoever was
Speaker 1: saying how they really felt, you know what, I mean
Speaker 1: like there was no emotional comedy out there, Like it
Speaker 1: was not like that, it was it was then you
Speaker 1: learn like it's becomes a core belief that if you're
Speaker 1: like crying, you're weak.
Speaker 3: But now there's this weird pushback yeah, to like this
Speaker 3: new form of masculinity. Like it's it's so crazy that
Speaker 3: what do you mean?
Speaker 5: No, just I feel like politically speaking, on the you know,
Speaker 5: we're getting two kinds of comedy. We are getting a
Speaker 5: kind of vulnerable comedy, and then we are also getting
Speaker 5: the other side, which there's room for all of it.
Speaker 5: Who cares, But you know, you can feel like people
Speaker 5: are like, hey, let's let's get.
Speaker 3: Away from vulnerability.
Speaker 5: Let's get away from You can feel that, and you
Speaker 5: know I felt it in a Texas steakhouse, so you
Speaker 5: can feel it, you know.
Speaker 3: As a queer person.
Speaker 5: I'm sure you guys have that spider sense and I yeah,
Speaker 5: and I can feel it with this kind of kind
Speaker 5: of comic. I'm not against free speech or whatever people
Speaker 5: want to do with their comedy, but yeah, I can
Speaker 5: feel that.
Speaker 3: Sort of backlash that's happening.
Speaker 2: Sure, But I feel like also we had a whole
Speaker 2: like we were on fire Island funnily enough in August
Speaker 2: and we had we ended up watching Zoolander and step
Speaker 2: brother was here last week, Okay was here last week,
Speaker 2: and so we watched those movies and we were just like,
Speaker 2: you know, this is the These are perfect examples and
Speaker 2: like everything you guys you've done together is like, are
Speaker 2: these examples of a comedy that is a sensibility maybe
Speaker 2: of like around masculinity, but it is not like four
Speaker 2: specific audience. It is general in that way, oh for sure,
Speaker 2: and like it can happen, it exists. There doesn't have
Speaker 2: to be this like right division among yeah who it's
Speaker 2: four who's by right?
Speaker 3: Right right?
Speaker 1: Whose idea was Eurovision?
Speaker 3: Oh? Will? For sure?
Speaker 5: Will Will's grown up in Sweden.
Speaker 1: So I.
Speaker 3: Went there. My wife and I went to Sweden in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight, yeah, the first time, and it just
Speaker 3: coincided with Eurovision being and we we were visiting her
Speaker 3: cousin way out in the country in this little cabin,
Speaker 3: and that evening she's like, shall we watch Eurovision the
Speaker 3: Eurovision Song Contest? And I said, of course what And
Speaker 3: I sat there for the next three hours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, transfixed.
Speaker 3: It was the final. I'm like, what is going on
Speaker 3: what is this thing? And this is spectacular and I
Speaker 3: was like, this would make an amazing movie, and I'm
Speaker 3: sure someone will do it. Yeah, at some point, no
Speaker 3: one wanted to, no one would touch it for twenty
Speaker 3: years and finally, I don't know, there was.
Speaker 5: Just a gap in You told me to watch it,
Speaker 5: and I also I really vibe to. It was almost
Speaker 5: like the situation with what I was saying about Rocking Horror. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was almost like that. I'm like, oh, okay, yeah
Speaker 5: that's over there. Yeah, this is amazing. And then we
Speaker 5: actually went.
Speaker 3: To one just to kind of like do Rea went
Speaker 3: to Copenhagen.
Speaker 5: We went to Coen and that year. I don't know
Speaker 5: if you're euro Vision fans, but it was and I
Speaker 5: think that this person does he a verse one with
Speaker 5: the dress, the beautiful dress and who we was wonderful.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah she's in your vision. Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 3: So yeah that was such a that.
Speaker 5: Just walking around your vision all these queer people. Yes,
Speaker 5: it was the most amazing thing.
Speaker 3: Of course that that initially went way over my head.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know. I was like, oh, interesting performances.
Speaker 5: No, And I'm sure I was like for you in
Speaker 5: that early part.
Speaker 3: I was like, it's so queer, but like there has.
Speaker 1: To be like some sort of spider sense that goes
Speaker 1: off in your head that Will is going to be
Speaker 1: a safe person when he brings you euro Vision a thing.
Speaker 5: Not safe enough to come out because I really wanted
Speaker 5: to come. I really wanted to transition seven, eight, nine
Speaker 5: years ago and like, I don't know what stopped men?
Speaker 1: You know, was the pandemic a pusher in that direction,
Speaker 1: because it feels like.
Speaker 5: That was a lot of people, a lot of people.
Speaker 5: Because I didn't have to go to an office every
Speaker 5: day and it faced people, you know that day. It
Speaker 5: wasn't going to be there where it's like, oh I'm
Speaker 5: wearing a dress now, right, that horrifying.
Speaker 3: That's when I decided to go gluten free.
Speaker 2: Huge, huge, because you realize life is too short.
Speaker 3: Isn't that the same kind of decisions we're talking about? Okay,
Speaker 3: but I shared the moment it wasn't good that you
Speaker 3: did that. Okay, well do you want to cry. We're
Speaker 3: going to cut that out.
Speaker 1: We're going to protect you from the joke. Gluten Oh
Speaker 1: my god, we have such a long way to go there.
Speaker 5: There is a documentary about his gluten Free Trip.
Speaker 1: Yes, coming out, but it's on Roku.
Speaker 3: On September twenty eight. It's a Saturday. Really, it's not
Speaker 3: getting the same press. I'm fighting with Roku right now?
Speaker 3: Is there like we don't know if we can show this.
Speaker 1: It's about your gluten free journey, journey and every time
Speaker 1: he's constantly trying to piggyback it, and that's it's like, stop.
Speaker 3: I keep bringing up in the interviews there's spending dollars
Speaker 3: on press.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, maybe time to head into the segment. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Okay, so this is don't be
Speaker 1: yikesingcause you're gonna when it will right.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I've already done this.
Speaker 1: You do it again. We're gonna do it again. So
Speaker 1: basically what's about to happen is we're going to take
Speaker 1: sixty seconds each to hear something up. It's not that long,
Speaker 1: do it? We do it.
Speaker 3: I can't do it.
Speaker 1: This is I don't want to hear about you.
Speaker 3: I'm going to phone beautiful.
Speaker 1: I'm here, we go.
Speaker 2: I have something, yes, not Rogers. I don't think so
Speaker 2: many time starts now, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Honey, Natty Light, you crazy bitch, you're talking about Natty Light,
Speaker 1: love yourself, You on this journey, keep going. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something tastes like lemonade compared to this ship.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to you as a Long Island bitch. Okay,
Speaker 1: I drank a lot of Natty Light bye to In fact,
Speaker 1: I would put Natty Light in a funnel, take three
Speaker 1: beers and once to the chest. I'm telling you, don't
Speaker 1: contain you down this road, bud Light. Please just course
Speaker 1: like anything light, amstell light, some culture, get some culture
Speaker 1: and drinking amsetell light Natty Light. If you don't drink
Speaker 1: it and totally drink it within the first five seconds,
Speaker 1: it turns to devils piss.
Speaker 3: This is bad.
Speaker 1: I will not stand you will not leave this room
Speaker 1: still being a Natty Light fan. Nothing that goes from
Speaker 1: natural light to Natty Light is moving forward in the
Speaker 1: right direction. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute.
Speaker 3: Ship. That's like a blast furnace.
Speaker 1: I could believe my eyes. Can you explain what you
Speaker 1: like so much about Natty Light.
Speaker 2: It's water, It's not beer, and the appeal drink water.
Speaker 1: Natty Light is just a roads.
Speaker 3: And water twelve you get she is starting to drink
Speaker 3: more wine, and yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5: I can't help it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what type of girl are you like? Red red Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it, likes a good get to do. We
Speaker 1: believe that it's genuinely good for you red wine. Like
Speaker 1: they say, like a pregnant woman can drink of a
Speaker 1: glass and a half and the baby will.
Speaker 5: Be In France, they all drink red wine when they're pregnant.
Speaker 5: They don't care. Those kids, all of them grow up.
Speaker 5: They're idiots. That It's true, don't you know, the thing
Speaker 5: about deteriorating the whole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing about Parisians being rude, it's true.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's true because of the wine. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I also then say, like it could be because
Speaker 1: we're like I'm like so American walking in there being
Speaker 1: like y'all have ketchup.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is when we're in Sweden, you see the Americans, Yeah,
Speaker 3: a mile away. Now the Swedes are so like super emotionless.
Speaker 5: I drank out of a Caraffe had a Parisian restaurant.
Speaker 5: They had a craft and glass rimmed mountain.
Speaker 1: You took the craft of the way.
Speaker 5: The way waitress came over and just he just he
Speaker 5: didn't say anything. She just grabbed that craft out of
Speaker 5: my hand, took it away.
Speaker 3: I was in a grocery store once and I wanted
Speaker 3: to buy some carrots and I took two carrots out
Speaker 3: of the bundle of carrots and I brought them to
Speaker 3: the checkout and she went just threw it down on
Speaker 3: the ground, and I just started laughing. She wouldn't because
Speaker 3: I wrecked the bundle of carrots. You know what, You
Speaker 3: gotta laugh? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sometimes, Oh you know what?
Speaker 3: You know what this is?
Speaker 2: No, I have my own thinks so money, this is
Speaker 2: thank you so much for this, because you're giving me fodder.
Speaker 1: Okay, you mind, you mind giving fodder.
Speaker 3: I can't follow anything, my god, I'm fodder oder fodder. Hello, murder, Hello.
Speaker 1: That was beautiful. Something happened to get there.
Speaker 3: There was little maybe a band?
Speaker 1: Are we turn because someone turned my favorite comm Can
Speaker 1: someone turn that up? By the way, My dad texts
Speaker 1: me today one four three He says he knows the
Speaker 1: ling one four three. Katy Perry Katy Perry's new album,
Speaker 1: and it's it's shorthand for I Love You aparent like
Speaker 1: one letter four letters, the old pager thing for three.
Speaker 1: But now Katy Perry has sort of brought.
Speaker 3: It back when I had my ham radio. Yeah, that's right,
Speaker 3: you had, you had you had a Hamm radio operation.
Speaker 3: Oh but Harper downs like Harper Harper brought her CBE radio. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was all cut out of the doc. You never
Speaker 3: get it. It didn't work.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of the cumming room because in
Speaker 2: the credits you see all these other places.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, two hundred and fifty hours of foot.
Speaker 1: That's crazy to me. The editors deserve no Bel price.
Speaker 3: That's almost all the hours in the days.
Speaker 1: A right, okay, so many hours?
Speaker 3: How many hours? Hours?
Speaker 1: Okay, this is bowling Yang's I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: It's time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The
Speaker 1: current state of vegetables and produce at the grocery stores
Speaker 1: of America. Why did this person throw out the carrots? Sometimes?
Speaker 2: I don't need seven fucking carrots.
Speaker 3: I'm making one stewed, not seven stews. The recipe calls
Speaker 3: for one care.
Speaker 1: Now I'm supposed to come up with other recipes that
Speaker 1: are carrot forward for the rest of my fucking week.
Speaker 1: Who do you think I am?
Speaker 3: I'm a single, childless day man. I'm cooking for one
Speaker 3: and I like it that way, and I.
Speaker 1: Don't want Why Why is society constantly constantly pushing us
Speaker 1: towards partnership, towards domesticity with other people.
Speaker 3: That's a beautiful thing. That's a beautiful ideal.
Speaker 1: They aspired to. Why am I on planes? It's the
Speaker 1: responsibility on me to change my seat with you because
Speaker 1: you want to sit next to your partner. Yes, make it.
Speaker 2: You know this is this is really small, a larger
Speaker 2: thing about society.
Speaker 3: That is illing us? Is that a verb?
Speaker 1: I'm all over the place to play words today, but listen, listen,
Speaker 1: here's the deal. I don't want to buy one head
Speaker 1: of broccoli when I just need two small florettes from
Speaker 1: my suit. That's one minute. Thank you, cut things off
Speaker 1: for I don't need all of that. The whole thing
Speaker 1: of bananas. Guess what's going wrong? Four of them?
Speaker 3: Four of them?
Speaker 1: And there are so many benefit from if you take
Speaker 1: if you they should have taken the banana apart, I'll buy.
Speaker 3: You because we're knowing.
Speaker 1: Ridiculous. And these carrots are going awaye and they go
Speaker 1: bad way quicker than you think. Cucumbers forget, No, cucumbers
Speaker 1: can be so beautiful. Use them immediately, Thank you, cabbage,
Speaker 1: forget about.
Speaker 3: Keep going, keep going.
Speaker 1: Name. You will not.
Speaker 3: Believe what he can do.
Speaker 1: He can name seriously, five seconds in between each one,
Speaker 1: and wait, with only five seconds between each one.
Speaker 3: This man can list a lot list vegetables.
Speaker 1: You know what's flashing in my head? You guys having
Speaker 1: your pedicure with I want to do a pedicure with Molly.
Speaker 3: Oh god, if you're going to do a pedicure, do
Speaker 3: with Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love I love the way she the greatest, the
Speaker 1: greatest listener of all time. Wasn't that funny? I think
Speaker 1: that's so funny.
Speaker 3: Now, So when you wait, when you wait someone, wait, wait,
Speaker 3: wait math hold on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So your dad right took you to the baseball Yes,
Speaker 4: isn't that funny? Left you in the parking lot? And
Speaker 4: I thought that was so funny of him to do.
Speaker 4: You know, I thought, you know, baseball, It's like you
Speaker 4: could be at the game, you could be in the
Speaker 4: parking lot. It's just so funny how you can be
Speaker 4: in so many places at once.
Speaker 1: Isn't that fun? You're seeing Will and Harper today, they're
Speaker 1: so tell them I said hello, and tell them again.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 5: Molly Shannon is who's afraid of Virginia Will. She scares
Speaker 5: the hell out of me because I used to have
Speaker 5: coffee with her and in my journals, I'm writing I
Speaker 5: think I need to be a woman, and I go
Speaker 5: have coffee with Molly and she'd be like my father
Speaker 5: came out in life. She's looking straight at me with
Speaker 5: those eyes like purecing.
Speaker 1: She's always or maybe not.
Speaker 3: It's scary. She's scary.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a perceptiveness. Yeah, absolute, she's she's well.
Speaker 3: Well, I think you should go next. I think Harper
Speaker 3: should close this out. Oh Jesus, be so hard.
Speaker 5: I can't follow either one.
Speaker 3: Of course you can't. You do it for a living,
Speaker 3: know you doing this? You guys do this eight times
Speaker 3: a week like a Broadway show.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I only just realized how hard it
Speaker 1: is to do eight times a week. Thinking about doing
Speaker 1: this eight times a week now, I really now I
Speaker 1: really respect Broadway.
Speaker 3: No kidding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, Patty Lapone, hats off man, you are a talent.
Speaker 3: H I happen to be listening to the podc this
Speaker 3: is Patty. I so appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I want to shut it. Okay, here we go, turn
Speaker 1: your phone on. My phone is on in order to
Speaker 1: log the time. This is Will Farrell's I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey, and your time starts now.
Speaker 3: I don't think so honey about here's the thing, Okay,
Speaker 3: tell us the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think so honey, I don't.
Speaker 1: It's okay.
Speaker 4: Here's here's the book.
Speaker 3: This ties into this ties into the documentary.
Speaker 1: Here comes the tie in.
Speaker 3: Here's a book that my mom literally had a self
Speaker 3: help book on her shelf all right, called It's none
Speaker 3: of my business what you think of me. We got
Speaker 3: that and even as a little kid, that was my mantra.
Speaker 3: If I walked into the room and I got dirty looks,
Speaker 3: none of my business, you're taking me, none of my business.
Speaker 3: And as we went through America fifteen second America, the Heartland,
Speaker 3: the rhythm, the flag, the it was none of Harper's
Speaker 3: business what you think of her?
Speaker 1: Five seconds she goes through this world.
Speaker 3: Loved and herself. Finally and uh oh, I gotta slay down,
Speaker 3: slay down boots.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah, slay down boots.
Speaker 3: Just strike that. No we can't do that, No, no,
Speaker 3: we can't do No, we can't do that. The point
Speaker 3: you're making is important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but by the way.
Speaker 5: I didn't know there was a k Farrel, there was
Speaker 5: a that K Farrell connection to your openness. There really
Speaker 5: was there human beings, really was. She taught me to
Speaker 5: I mean like a beautiful person.
Speaker 1: She is.
Speaker 3: She made you a beautiful person.
Speaker 1: You know what I think? Rup Paul says that too.
Speaker 1: What other other people's opinion of me is none of
Speaker 1: my business.
Speaker 2: And if you know yourself and like yourself to a
Speaker 2: certain degree, that's on. That's on the other person. And
Speaker 2: if you don't like that, that's on. That's on you
Speaker 2: to figure out what to do with me. But you
Speaker 2: don't have to be the one to carry it.
Speaker 1: That's you know what's interesting.
Speaker 3: And I'm okay with how bad that. I don't think so,
Speaker 3: honey was I don't care what you think of me.
Speaker 3: There you go, But you know what, that's the cure
Speaker 3: what you think of me.
Speaker 1: It was great.
Speaker 5: Audio was a little spotty during that.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's so many times actually it's like
Speaker 1: what you said about touching the hot stove. It's like
Speaker 1: reading comments about you online is like you wouldn't touch
Speaker 1: a hot stove. Every single time I go to the internet,
Speaker 1: it's a hot stove to gauge whether or not I'm
Speaker 1: doing well or people like me. It always is worse
Speaker 1: than when I wake up in the morning and baseline
Speaker 1: feel pretty good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's right.
Speaker 2: It's always gonna be a hot stove. And why would
Speaker 2: you touch it? Okay, these people gotta go.
Speaker 3: We go all right? Okay, we got on my phone.
Speaker 3: Sounds like like that. It sounds like I just don't
Speaker 3: You shouldn't have said that. This is this though.
Speaker 5: They got it on camera.
Speaker 1: Authenticity, cameras beautiful. That's what people connect when.
Speaker 3: I start the camera, when I made sure they weren't
Speaker 3: on Okay, they.
Speaker 1: Just have a red Yeah, sabotage from boss.
Speaker 5: Give me a countdown.
Speaker 3: Wait wait, wait say that by the way before I don't, honey,
Speaker 3: before we're done today, I have to go through some
Speaker 3: HR stuff.
Speaker 1: Okay, problem, what do we do now?
Speaker 3: I just got to get your w twos that HR
Speaker 3: that's accounting what you do, what you do, all those
Speaker 3: cutbacks and one of us getting cut No, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: you guys are safe.
Speaker 1: Okay, guys are something I know. I'm fucking huge. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: never steal this is your I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 3: Okay, time starts now j K rolling.
Speaker 5: I hate full attacks on Olympic boxer A man Khalif
Speaker 5: demonstrates the very core of why some people hate trans women.
Speaker 5: Khalif is not trans. No, she's a woman, yes, but
Speaker 5: because she does not conform to Jk's limited.
Speaker 1: And frankly racist ideas of.
Speaker 5: What makes a woman, he repeatedly called her trans and
Speaker 5: referred to her as a man.
Speaker 3: Thirty seconds halfway point, I don't think say I don't think.
Speaker 5: So, honey, wit, No, no, no, and oh I can say, oh,
Speaker 5: I don't think so, honey. Women can be beautiful in
Speaker 5: so many ways. In fifteen j K is not one
Speaker 5: of those women, because when you are hateful and bigoted
Speaker 5: in your heart, you are ugly. I don't even think
Speaker 5: she's a honey.
Speaker 1: Oh, we don't even think you're a honey, and you
Speaker 1: haven't been a honey for a very long time. She's
Speaker 1: purely dark.
Speaker 3: So disgusting.
Speaker 2: Although my Kalif was at the Potickeulvanetta show in Paris
Speaker 2: for fashion week. She looked amazing, incredible, word, gorgeous suit.
Speaker 1: What are you just the level of detail, yes, gorgeous, detailed.
Speaker 2: It was a suit as detailed, No and then and
Speaker 2: have you seen all these things about like the mold
Speaker 2: in her house?
Speaker 5: Mold, a black mole, black mole. No, I try to
Speaker 5: keep away from her. Of course they're dangerous and hurtful. However,
Speaker 5: is suing her yea. And the libel laws and England
Speaker 5: are better, the libels and France are better. I just
Speaker 5: hope she gets a fuck.
Speaker 2: Of course j K is a dementor. And you know
Speaker 2: who's also like on this. Not to bring other people
Speaker 2: into this, but Martina never Toulova is also being.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, is women and trans women in sports conversation.
Speaker 2: It's like, all right, everybody, just calm calm down, or
Speaker 2: just even keep it to yourself.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just it's just that we will,
Speaker 3: well we.
Speaker 1: Will, and I will say end on a happiness because
Speaker 1: I know you guys have to go.
Speaker 6: This is just really.
Speaker 1: Tell us that. So what if it was not going well,
Speaker 1: you could.
Speaker 3: A little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well guess what you bet you have to
Speaker 1: do your own pickups? Then no, because we know you
Speaker 1: have to do pickups for your show, and so now
Speaker 1: you have no excuse. No butter, no, Butter said, on
Speaker 1: a serious note, thank you so much for this just gift,
Speaker 1: like it really is. And I think that everyone is
Speaker 1: going to benefit from watching this and in a major way.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you feel both of you feel like
Speaker 1: you've benefited from doing it. That's what art is all about.
Speaker 1: It's about the sharing, and it's about the education and
Speaker 1: the you know, you do it in such a light
Speaker 1: and beautiful way and the heavy moments are they really
Speaker 1: land And I just I can't say enough about how
Speaker 1: inspired and how much I look up to you both.
Speaker 3: Thank you, It's so cool. Means a lot. It's our
Speaker 3: honor both of you, very very very lucky that you're here.
Speaker 3: Thank you for coming. And we end every episode with this,
Speaker 3: can I can I get my parking validated? You did
Speaker 3: drive here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Do you guys do a little wrap up at the end.
Speaker 3: It's like they those two were.
Speaker 1: We have a Howard Stern after showed. Yeah, he does
Speaker 1: an amazing job. He does an amazing job. He's really good.
Speaker 3: He's a huge friend. Yankee shirt.
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Speaker 3: Request.
Speaker 2: I saw it twice and so I'm like, and then
Speaker 2: I texted Christals like, you're getting an Oscar nomination?
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Speaker 1: Created and hosted by Matt Rodgers and Bowen Yang. Executive
Speaker 1: produced by Anna Hasnier and.
Speaker 2: Hans Soni, produced by Becker Ramos, edited mixed by Doug
Speaker 2: BABYMNEFA Board and our.
Speaker 1: Music is by Henry Koberski. Hey everybody, it's me Matt Rogers,
Speaker 1: letting you know. Tickets are on sale now to see
Speaker 1: me on tour, the Prince of Christmas Tour, that is,
Speaker 1: I'm doing my whole album Have You Heard of Christmas?
Speaker 1: Plus a lot more with the whole band all throughout December.
Speaker 1: Go to www dot Matt rogersofficial dot com to see
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