1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nolan. They called 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: producer Paul Mission Control decades. Most importantly, you are you, 8 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Today's episode is about one 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: of our mutually favorite things, space, the Final Frontier. It's 11 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: weird because when previous generations talked about space travel or 12 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: speculated about the possibilities, they were almost always thinking of 13 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: this in turn of governments, state powers, countries, nations. You 14 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: think of the U. S. S R. When the Soviet 15 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: Union puts spot Nick into space, then put the first 16 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: UH official human into space. UH story for another day. 17 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: We think of the US putting the first people on 18 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: the moon. But increasingly nowadays, in recent years, people are 19 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: thinking less about state powers in space and more about 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: private entities. A world of very powerful corporations, world of 21 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: very ambitious startups and not a few eccentric billionaires. Maybe 22 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: one day. Uh, a lot of tourists. That's what we're 23 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: talking about the future of private space travel. Here are 24 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: the facts. This is so strange. A lot of people 25 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: may not be aware of this, but private space travel 26 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: is not a brand new idea. Well sure, I mean 27 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: think about like, you know, commercial airlines. I mean, those 28 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: companies were making stuff for the government long before they 29 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: expand ended into the idea of tourism, of like air 30 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: travel tourism because it wasn't something that was available or 31 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: even viable in terms of what people could afford. It's 32 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: always how it goes right. I mean, the companies that 33 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: make you know, super super high tech um stuff for 34 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: the government in terms of like data um, that stuff 35 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: reaches the public much much later. But they've been doing 36 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: stuff for the government all along, no exception with the 37 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: space program. The private sector has always played some kind 38 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 1: of role in developing new technologies for a government. We'll 39 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: get into all of it, but think about the amount 40 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 1: of government grants that go to private companies to create 41 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: something new that then can be you know, brought into 42 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: the government's program to do a thing. Uh. Especially this 43 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 1: is especially true with flight. As you said in Old 44 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: and Rocketry, rocketry big time. There's a dude. Yeah, there's 45 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: a dude name Goddard. You may know that name from 46 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: a certain NASA space station, Robert Goddard, who is at 47 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: the father of rocketry. And that dude it's not like 48 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: he was given a ton of money to throw into 49 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: his inventing and his testing. He a lot of that 50 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: money came out of his own pocket. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 51 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: And rocketry and flight are kind of the peanut butter 52 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: and jelly the great sandwich we call space exploration. And 53 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,839 Speaker 1: I love like I can understand where Goddard is coming from. 54 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: And even investors who might have initially been skeptical about 55 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: his his concept, because if you had never heard of 56 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: a rocket and some guy described it to you while 57 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: asking you for money, could you be blamed for saying 58 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: that's kind of crazy? Man? Horses are where it's at, 59 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: you know, uh Like, because you're saying, I'm gonna put 60 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: stuff in a tube, okay, and it's gonna explode and 61 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: it'll go somewhere. That's my idea, And they're like, okay, Robbie, 62 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: uh where, well, you know, up hopefully kind of up 63 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: to the side. I mean, you know, it's I'm sure, 64 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: a lot of people reacted to the idea of of 65 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: of flying in an airplane in the same way. I mean, 66 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: any new technology that's a big swing is going to 67 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: be so remarkable and outside of the norm that people 68 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: are gonna kind of bulk at it initially. I mean, 69 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: not everyone can be as forward thinking as like genius inventors. True. True, 70 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: even inventors who were killed by their own adventure. Shout 71 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: out to a fantastic Wikipedia article. But it turns out 72 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: the guy that invented the wood chipper took a tumble 73 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: right into his own wood chipper prototype and got Steve 74 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 1: bush immid all over the snow. Woody chimpleton long may 75 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: remain a blessing. Uh. Yeah, So I'm glad you mentioned 76 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: airplane technology because as World War one hits, we know 77 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: that war drives technological innovation. Uh. And as World War 78 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: one hit, it brought along this amazing boom in airplane technology. 79 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: It took airplane tech two unprecedented heights. Get it. The 80 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: US government was Dino sorry, was hand in hand with 81 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: private entities the whole time, and they wanted these entities 82 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: to uh pioneer new industries, maybe without some of the 83 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: political constraints that government's face, which is going to be 84 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: a big part of today's show. The big notable thing 85 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: here was something called the air Mail Act of nine 86 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 1: and this allowed private companies to start flying mail across 87 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: the country, and then they were flying human passengers not 88 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: too much later, first across the country, then across the world. 89 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: This is important because it establishes a strong precedent, and 90 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: if we look at the evolution of commercial airlines, we 91 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: see a pretty robust possibility that this pattern could repeat 92 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: in the world of space flight. I mean, NASA sure 93 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: is on board. They have been super down to clown 94 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: with private entities and their early days, because they'll say, hey, 95 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: you already make widgets, can you help us make a 96 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: kind of space widget? You know, it's it's an oversimplification, 97 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: but it's very true. It's also sort of the differentiation 98 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: between using space for war via satellites that obviously are 99 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: really important and powerful when it comes to tracking, you know, um, 100 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: enemy forces or mapping or whatever it might be, or 101 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: guiding missiles and things like that, to the idea of 102 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: space exploration, which is maybe a little less sexy, uh 103 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: in the in the war machine kind of kind of model, right, 104 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: or space looking out a window. Well that's the that's 105 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: its own kind of what the what you know, but 106 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,119 Speaker 1: eleven minutes and it's not even really space whatever. Okay, 107 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: So yes, Uh. The one of the big innovations we 108 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: see is there are a lot of private companies who 109 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: are trying to do stuff with mixed results. The first 110 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: object in space that has built entire early by a company, 111 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: not a government, is the Tellstar one. It's a communications 112 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: satellite and it is launched in nineteen sixty two, but it, 113 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: like all the satellites in the US, are still being 114 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: launched by NASA, not private companies. The first private company 115 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: to launch its own thing into space happens in nineteen 116 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: eighty two. A company called, in a burst of creativity, 117 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: Space Services Incorporated, launches the Conastoga one from an island 118 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: off the coast of Texas. They get to about a 119 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: hundred ninety two miles in altitude. But even before that 120 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: you had things like the German company h Trog, which 121 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 1: sounds so epic. Uh oh. Trog was trying to develop 122 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: its own space propulsion systems back in the seventies. Ultimately 123 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: they mothballed it. In the eighties, and then for decades 124 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: and decades, uh, leading up to the eighties, the US 125 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: government said, only nasty can launch satellites in this space, 126 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: no matter who builds them. You gotta work with our 127 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: team to get them up into the ink. And this changed. 128 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: Congress passed the law as part of a bigger package 129 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: of deregulation to let private companies do their own launches 130 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: whenever they wish, as long as they meet you know, 131 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: a cavalcade of constraints and paperwork. But this was so 132 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: important because this set the stage for what we're encountering 133 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: decades later, a brand new space race. And it's paid 134 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: to play. Maybe pay so much play for eleven minutes max. Yeah, 135 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: it's it's really interesting because you know, when we were 136 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: growing up, when we were younger guys, little kids in 137 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: elementary school and high school. Uh, there was a space 138 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: race occurring men in the nineteen nineties and even in 139 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 1: the early two thousand's. It's just I don't know, some reason, 140 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: nothing really impacted me personally. I don't I don't remember 141 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: any of that stuff. I can, you can look it 142 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: up now, things that were occurring in the ninety nines, 143 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: but nothing was successful. There is you know, there's a 144 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: reason why there's no space tourism company. That's kind of 145 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: the grandfather that we're thinking about when these new companies 146 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: are popping up in the two thousand tents. Yeah, there's 147 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: a reason Disney isn't offering space flights right now, you 148 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Because if it were more feasible 149 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: from a technological and financial perspective, then of course people 150 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: would get into that. Who doesn't want to be the 151 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: first to be able to do that? Right? Uh? As 152 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: we record, there are people who qualify as space tourists, 153 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: but very very few, and spoiler, the majority of those 154 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: folks are very well off, even even after paying for 155 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: that ticket. So you're absolutely right, there's mixed success. But 156 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: we still see the pattern of these companies interacting very 157 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 1: closely with their home countries, governments and business boom us 158 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: in the early two thousand's. But this would be nothing 159 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: in comparison to what we can call the space rush 160 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: of the tents, which is just a phrase we made up. 161 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 1: It's not official, it's a street name. Uh. There was 162 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: a great article by Zvetla bin Itsack over at the 163 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: Washington Post. Who you know, I thought i'd be interesting 164 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: to look at the numbers here, and Ben Itsak sums 165 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: it up beautifully. If you want to get a sense 166 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: of the amount of money involved that we're talking about, 167 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: it's it's still even reading it, it's kind of tough 168 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: to wrap your head around. Over the last fifteen years, 169 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: commercial activity in space more than tripled, growing from a 170 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: hundred ten billion dollars and five to nearly three hundred 171 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: and fifties seven billion dollars in Commercial activity in accounted 172 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: for about eight of the estimated four forty seven billion 173 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: global space economy that year. Morgan Stanley projects that the 174 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: sector will rock ata to more than one trillion by 175 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: with growth concentrated in the commercial space sector really quickly. 176 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: I mean that that doesn't mean space tourism. It's much 177 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: more than that. It means more commercial satellites, smaller commercial satellites, 178 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: all kinds of uh ways. That data is going to 179 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: play a huge part in this, much more than like 180 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, your billionaires doing their fifteen minute joy ride. Yeah, 181 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: that's that's a lot of you know, two tickets. If 182 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: you think that's that number seven billion is actually coming 183 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: from private space tourism, that's yeah, that's a lot of tickets. 184 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: That that number, by the way, comes from Virgin Galactic 185 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: two and uh, that is that is one of the 186 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: more affordable tickets for this one. So I mean comparatively, 187 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: of course. But there's another thing here. Manufacturing is going 188 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: to be a growing piece of the sector. Uh take 189 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: for example, fiber optic cables. If you're making fiber optic 190 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: cables in zero gravity, they're going to be cleaner and 191 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: just like markedly better than cables made on Earth. So 192 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: making those is huge space factory. Yeah, but we know 193 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: how much it costs to ship payloads back to Earth. 194 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: How do you account for that? You just drop it, okay, 195 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 1: all right, like unraveled on the way down or burn 196 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: up in the atmosphere. It seems like whenever you hear 197 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: about space missions, you know, exploratory space missions, the payload 198 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: amount is always a huge part of the cost in 199 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: terms of like how much stuff do they have on 200 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: the on the vessel you know, we will get into 201 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: a blue Origin is specifically working on something for that purpose, 202 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: like some kind of mixed used international space station like 203 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: structure that will just that they will continually send flights 204 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: up and down to and uh. These these launch costs, though, 205 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: are falling as we record. I think as of April 206 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: at there were some private companies who's great worked out 207 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: to about twelve hundred dollars per pound of payload to 208 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: reach low Earth orbit, which again is totally different from 209 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: going to the moon. Still, you're still a long way 210 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: away from the Moon, even though you can see it 211 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 1: from here. So okay, so the calculations I was talking 212 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: about were more for deep space exploration. Still, if it's 213 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: still a lot per pounds is a lot, but you know, 214 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: going further would obviously probably four or five x that number. 215 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, And that's you know, that's not counting 216 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: all this stuff you have to do to keep humans 217 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: alive outside of the environment. They have literally evolved to 218 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: exist in space. Truckers, huh, I'd watch it Space road, 219 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: Space road. I mean, there's also the idea of roads, 220 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: were going we won't need roads. There's also the idea 221 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: of a space elevator, which kinda is it's a really 222 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: good idea, but it probably won't work because for the 223 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: same reason that you don't a lot of dirigibles, it's 224 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: easy to attack and someone will just yeah, which is 225 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: a shame, and miss airships. But but yes, so now 226 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: as we're recording, if you're familiar with the private space industry, 227 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: you know there are a lot of players, and a 228 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: lot of them are specializing in certain parts of a 229 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: launch process or certain components. But then there are really 230 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: big dogs. Three of the big dogs now SpaceX, Blue 231 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: Origin and Virgin Galactic. You can also think of these 232 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: as musk Bezos and Branson because they're definitely their babies. Uh. 233 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: They all made some pretty profound breakthroughs in just last 234 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: year and this year. It's the kind of stuff that 235 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: previously only governments could do. We're talking about taking astronauts 236 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: to the I s S. We're talking about flying tourists 237 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: into space. I gotta get over that, uh, and even 238 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: delivering cargo to low Earth orbit. And then of course 239 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: one of the biggest ones reusable booster rockets, reusable launch technology, 240 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: which is huge. And then you get into the idea 241 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: of like space warehouses, you know, all of that kind 242 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: of stuff, uh, different like shipping and receiving hubs in space. 243 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: It's fascinating to think about. But is it like essentially 244 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: junking up outer space the same way we've jumped up 245 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: our planet? And who's in charge of who gets to 246 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: put what wear? Yeah, and you know it just would 247 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: like to remind everybody the United States government attempted a 248 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: reusable rocket type situation with the shuttles one time, and 249 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: that went really well, really well, you mean exploded, right, Well, 250 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: one did, but mostly it was too difficult to maintain 251 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: a working shuttle after a flight flight flight, flight flight 252 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: and then using you know, parts of the rocket again, 253 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: right right, sustainability, I mean, it's it's an incredibly punishing 254 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: process on any craft, right, get it from Earth and 255 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: then back to Earth under tremendously difficult circumstances. But but yes, 256 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: we we're gonna explore some of that. I think I 257 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: had said this off air earlier. But if you were 258 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: not from Earth and you were approaching the planet from outside, 259 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: it would look kind of like the stereotypical, uh, redneck home, right, 260 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: like like the yard littered with rusting vehicles and trash 261 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: and and refrigerators and varying states of disrepair. That alone 262 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: is tricky because you have to account for that. Physicists, astronauts, 263 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: all the people involved in this are so incredibly intelligent. 264 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: They're doing math that I will say the average person 265 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: probably couldn't comprehend myself included, you know what I mean. 266 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: I'm very glad there's no one like me making those calculations, 267 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: because people would die. It's the kind of math in 268 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: those beautiful mind kind of brain melt down, you know, 269 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: gifts right just so. And if you have supporters of 270 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: these endeavors, they'll say, hey, buddy, this is just the beginning. 271 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: Get in on the ground floor of this space elevator. 272 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: You don't have to look too far at all. Defying 273 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: wildly ambitious but not implausible claims and goals. We're talking 274 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,959 Speaker 1: a reusable system for passage to and from Mars. We're talking, 275 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: of course, mining initiatives, even a proposed space hotel. There's 276 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: a lovely little video on YouTube about it. We'll see 277 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: how it works out, but may surprise you to learn, 278 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: fellow conspiracy realist, not everyone is so optimistic. On the 279 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: other side of our figurative launchpad, critics are arguing that 280 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: the privatization of space should be a cause for deep 281 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: and growing concern. What are we talking about. We'll tell 282 00:17:51,160 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: you after a word from our sponsor years where it 283 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: gets crazy. Yeah, so not not everybody, as it turns out, 284 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: is on board with private entities being in charge of 285 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: space exploration and there there are several factors behind us, Yeah, 286 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: there are, And like, at first, I just want to 287 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: bring up a thought, like I think I mentioned it earlier. 288 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: I think, you know, obviously NASA doesn't do the space 289 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: shuttle program anymore, so it left a lot of kind 290 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: of room, you know, in the in the in the 291 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: space for private entities to come in and kind of 292 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: pick up the slack where that wasn't happening. And I 293 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: think largely that's because there wasn't really any advantage to 294 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: be gained from it, at least from the like Warhawks 295 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: kind of perspective. So it takes private companies and billionaires 296 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: who were super keen on space first of all, sort 297 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: of like uh reminds me of the dude from Jurassic Park. 298 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: You know what the heck was his name, the white 299 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: haired guy David Attenburgh's brother. Anyway, you know someone who's 300 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: like he's fascinated with this stuff. I'm sure all three 301 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: of these guys, Brandson, Musk and Bezos. They're like billionaires 302 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: are often like little boys at heart, like they're interested 303 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: in this stuff, but obviously they have a long game 304 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,919 Speaker 1: that they're playing as well. But if it wasn't for 305 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: NASA kind of backing off, I don't think the space 306 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: would have been freed up enough for them to really 307 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: swoop in the way they have that. I think that's 308 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: a good observation that and they have very different sets 309 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: of constraints. But we're looking at the factors that lead 310 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: to people, as I said, not being a percent on 311 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: board with private space travel. One of the first ones 312 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: is inequality. It's continuing to skyrocket ideology. Aside whether you 313 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: think it's a good thing or a bad thing, the 314 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:35,719 Speaker 1: simple reality is that more and more wealth is in 315 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: the hands of fewer and fewer people, and that trend 316 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: is probably going to continue for some time. That means 317 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: there's a possibility distant for now, but not implausible, that 318 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: a privileged few will be able to leave Earth behind, 319 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: maybe orbiting in an elysium like Paradise, while billions of 320 00:19:54,080 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: other people below struggle with Earth's ongoing and worsening climate disasters. 321 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a great view as long as 322 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: you don't look down too closely. Ye don't look out 323 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: those windows that were specifically designed to look down at 324 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 1: the Earth. It reminds me of the Voyager space station 325 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: hotel that you mentioned right before the break and the 326 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: one of these private space stations that's going to be 327 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: created theoretically, or Blue Origin has a new thing that 328 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: they're trying to build called the orbital reef. That's gonna 329 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: be a lot like that. That's the one that looks 330 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: like the dr Evil Penis shuttle, right, the Blue Origin, Yes, 331 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: shift that goes up. Yeah, Well the orbital reef looks 332 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: a little different maybe, uh like a modular version of 333 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: that that's just a little bigger, kind of similar to 334 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: the Origin was the name of the of the ship. 335 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: It's also the name of the company, I believe, so 336 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: way to where the Origin is the name of the company. 337 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: So we've already got two proposed examples of things like this, right, 338 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: all you gotta do is expand that scale, but ten 339 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: x or whatever, and you may very well have something 340 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: like that, Ben, because these things are supposedly going to 341 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: have sustainable growing plants on them, you know, food sources 342 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: and pretty much anything that a human being would need 343 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: to survive without Earth. Yeah, and it is scary, and 344 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: there are there are a lot of a lot of 345 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 1: things that get glossed over let's just spend a second 346 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: on this. There are so many things that get glossed 347 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: over about living in space. It is terrible for the 348 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: human body. You would ideally, for a sustainable solution, you 349 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: would try to have some sort of gravity and and 350 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: that's like, that's one of many problems. There's also radiation shielding. 351 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: There's also the fact that we don't know there were 352 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 1: experiments with sex in space, but we as a civilization 353 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: have no idea how a person being born in space, like, 354 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: we don't know what their life would be like. We 355 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: don't know exactly how it would affect everything from the 356 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,719 Speaker 1: formation of their brain and zero gravity to you know, 357 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: puberty and stuff like that, and their muscles too. I imagine, 358 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: you know, gravity is constantly exerting force on our muscles. 359 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 1: So even if we're living a relatively sedentary life, uh, 360 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: you're still having some calories being burned just by the 361 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: force of gravity. Yeah, and then okay, so that's a 362 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: different that's a problem that governments will encounter as well. 363 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 1: For the next factor of the problems with private space travel, 364 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: we have to look at monopolies. Remember, these are not charities, 365 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: these are not volunteer organizations. Yet they are for profit entities. 366 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: So let's enter the realm of thought experiments. Imagine you're 367 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick. You have invented something amazing. Now you're a 368 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: billionaire and you own a successful space exploration conglomerate. By 369 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: the nature of your position, you have integrated everything both 370 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: horizontally and vertically. What we mean by that is you 371 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: own minds that supplied the metals to the factories on 372 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: Earth that you also own, and those in turn build 373 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: the rockets that you own. From stem to stern, soup 374 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: to nuts. This is a map for Frederick original that's 375 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: what's That is the motto of the company. And and 376 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: like there's an arrow because that's what what's up is space? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 377 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: we call it space Jams. That's what's up. Yeah. So 378 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: you can also in this scenario, as a space tycoon, 379 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: which is what you would be, you may have exclusive 380 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: rights to certain things like passage to a lunar base. Right, 381 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick's company, Space Jams has made the lunar base 382 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: and they're the only way, Like riding on one of 383 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: those ships is the only way to get to that base. 384 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: Might have exclusive mining rights that would be a big, 385 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: big deal. That's actually one of the hugest deals, right. 386 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: And you know, in the case of real company like SpaceX, 387 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 1: you one day might be the only way people can 388 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: visit Mars. Here's a silly question. Maybe maybe not. And 389 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: I definitely you know, I know as much as the 390 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: next space enthusiast about the makeup of planets. And you 391 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: know what's inclind it's a lot of toxic gases for example, 392 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: that like gas giants like Jupiter. But are there any 393 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: um uh, resource rich planets that we know of that 394 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: would be viable for mining the hell out of We 395 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: don't even need the planets, man, we got asteroids. That's 396 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: where uh the asteroids or what what you're looking for 397 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: for a lot of these mining interests, And Japan has 398 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: done some pretty amazing work, uh just figuring out the 399 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: mechanics and nuts and bolts of how to how to 400 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 1: touch one of those asteroids, how to get some stuff. Uh. 401 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: And then comets could also be uh an agglomeration of resources. 402 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: The sky is no longer the limit um And you 403 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: might not need planets, but it's not it's nice to 404 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: have them, you know what I mean, humanity case you 405 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: can have you know, so we don't look broke when 406 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: we meet aliens. Yeah, so we have some good moon 407 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: swag to flex, you know, chains, I just that freaking movie. 408 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: Just keep thinking about that Netflix movie. Uh, I don't 409 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: know why I'm blanking on the name Don't Look Up. 410 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 1: I think, oh, yes, keep thinking about that this entire conversation. 411 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: Very divisive movie. A lot of people I have talked 412 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: to really loved it. I haven't seen it yet. It 413 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: kind of got slammed, but I believe it got some 414 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: Oscar nominations. Not that means a damn thing, but I 415 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: want to watch it. But it's weird. It got like 416 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: kind of middling reviews, but some people that I know 417 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: that I really respect their opinions liked it a lot. 418 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: I liked. I enjoyed it. I can see why people 419 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: might not dig it, but it definitely has an agenda, 420 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: no point to make. Uh. It would be very interested 421 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: to hear what you think of the ending when you 422 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: get a chance to watch it. That goes for you too, 423 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: follow conspiracy realists, We'd love to hear your thoughts on 424 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: Don't Look Up. And I'd love to hear your thoughts 425 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: on space jams, the space monopoly that we're currently creating. 426 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: Because every step along the way, if you are the 427 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: space tycoon, you can press your advantage. You can engage 428 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: in rin seeking, you can get a little viig right, 429 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: and people will work with you because you are the 430 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: only game in town. You can decide what people in 431 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: space or on the Moon or on an asteroid or 432 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: on Mars or wherever, what they can and can't do. 433 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: You can control the information they can and can't access 434 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: because you're also in charge of the communications, and you 435 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: can control what they can or can't buy. So it's like, 436 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: welcome to Mars, subsidiary of Illumination Global Unlimited. Like you 437 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: are the company at that point. By its very nature, 438 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: any initial private space colony is going to be very 439 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: much like a company down from the days of old. 440 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: You know, you can't like you're a government on Earth. 441 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: You say, hey, you guys are breaking the law right, 442 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: you are violating what we consider basic human rights. They'll say, okay, Earthlyn, 443 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: come up here and tell me what are you gonna do? 444 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, short of shooting a nuke, 445 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: are you going to spend more billions of dollars to 446 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: come give me a dressing down in public? Or do 447 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: you want me to keep shipping these medals to you. 448 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 1: I'll go with the medals please. Yeah, I'm hanging up. 449 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: We're gonna play Spacepeak, see you, Mr President. And I 450 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,239 Speaker 1: gotta say when you said space Monopoly, though, Ben, I 451 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: immediately just pictured of like another branded Monopoly where it's 452 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,959 Speaker 1: the same horrible game, just with like planets instead of 453 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: part places. What would be okay? So I guess part 454 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: place would be like Earth Baby. Yeah, space Monopoly is 455 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: a great idea, and I'd be surprised if they haven't 456 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: done that, because there's every other themed version of Monopoly 457 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: out there except for stuff they don't want you to know, 458 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: which I don't think we should have a Monopoly game. 459 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: I don't approve of it. That's that's solidly saying no. 460 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: But speaking of those branded Monopoly games, apparently a big 461 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: plot point of the new season of Stranger Things got 462 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: spoiled by the latest Stranger Things branded Monopoly game like this. 463 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 1: I guess somebody got the batch early and then someone 464 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: gotta advance copy and they took a picture. I don't 465 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: know what it is, and no spoilers here, but careful 466 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: Slippery Slope is branded Monopoly games yes, yeah, they'll lead 467 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: you to the devil as surely as a Weegia board 468 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: kidding fact to space. Let's talk about some of the 469 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: things that could happen in a monopolized world or in 470 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: a monopolized community like this. Laws can get replaced, the 471 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: company replaces the government, and this is common in a 472 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: lot of science fiction. So laws are no longer around. Really, instead, 473 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: they're best practices, their company policies, and you would better 474 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: hope that you are happy with that or make your 475 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: peace with it, because it's tough to leave. This is 476 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: not like you know, quitting a job or a side 477 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: gig and walking out the door and then posting and 478 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: angry manifesto on Twitter. You will have to pay to 479 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: leave if you are allowed to do so. So just 480 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: let's go full dystopian. We are on a lunar colony. 481 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: We'll call it Moonville in a burst of creativity. So 482 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: we're Moonvillians and we're part of our own kind of 483 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: society and hierarchy. The bulk of the people who live 484 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: in Moonville are staffing resorts for a privileged few v 485 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: i p. S. Space tourists, celebrities. They're the waiters, they're 486 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: the custodians. They're the um, you know, the people doing 487 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: the laundry, the people working on the h v a C. 488 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: And they feel like they are getting exploited and they 489 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: feel like they're getting stiffed. So it's a utopia that 490 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: very quickly backslides into a stop tailor as old as time. Yeah, 491 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,920 Speaker 1: and they in this bottle episode, maybe they attempt some 492 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: sort of collective action. They might try to protest, they 493 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: might try to do something like unionization. They get shut 494 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: down immediately. There's no recourse. This is moon law, you know. Uh, 495 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: but let's say they get fired. They get fired and 496 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: they're sent home to Earth. But they're sent home with 497 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: a bill for their return flight, a crippling expense that 498 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: could keep them as debt slaves for the rest of 499 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: their natural lives. Oh, that's like the way that immigrant 500 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: workers are exploited oftentimes, where they're have their passports um 501 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: confiscated and they're forced to work on a horrible condition. 502 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: Then they get stuck with the bill to get their 503 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: papers and stuff to Yeah, sure you can leave, but 504 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: it'll cost you this much, and uh, you can't afford that. 505 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: You might as well to stay here forever. Precedent patterns. 506 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: The human species can be accused of a lot of things, 507 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: but not unbridled originality in the good and the bad. 508 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, or empathy yea, Or or empathy as well, 509 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: or if they decide to say, maybe these people who 510 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: are part of the working class of Moonville are already 511 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: in debt because of the process you just described nol 512 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: and because the checks that they are paid are not 513 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: enough to cover the astronomically expensive cost of housing, air, water, 514 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: and food. We're killing it with puns today, but you know, 515 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: that's how company towns work. You get paid in script 516 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: right and basically get your bend bucks, and that's not 517 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: ever quite enough to get you out of debt. By design, 518 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: it's not a bug. But then we can take it 519 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: one step further. What if a real revolution occurs, a 520 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: physical altercation? What extent would the corporate authorities go to 521 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: to protect this massively expensive, massively fragile colony. Why send 522 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: in troops? You can just shut off the air, you know, 523 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: And it's scary to think about, but it is a possibility. 524 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: And that means to me, do want a wax too 525 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: poetic here, But that means to me, the first thing 526 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: is built in a colony like Moonville, are going to 527 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: be habitats for people to live in, means to produce consumables, food, water, air. 528 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: The second stuff built will be things like labs and 529 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: of course business ventures. But the third thing built may 530 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: well end up being a prison, and that should scare you. 531 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: So we're gonna pause for a word from our responses. 532 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: I disagree. I think prisons is four. I think three 533 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: is um robotic drone sentinels of some sort, the police officers, 534 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: the security and then yes, okay, they just bring those 535 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: with the first shipment, and they just come in with 536 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,719 Speaker 1: the first shipment. Yeah, don't ask what's in that box. Anyway, 537 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna gonna pause for word from our sponsor, and 538 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: then we're gonna explore a sinister and effective way to 539 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: get around these human rights concerns. And we've returned. So 540 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: we talked about the very real dangers of companies replacing 541 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: governments for captive population in space, which is not a 542 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: sentence I imagine saying this week. But we have to 543 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: propose another possibility. And unfortunately, like these other ideas we've 544 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: brought up, this is a possibility with strong precedent. What 545 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: if Instead of employees, you use prisoners, people who already 546 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: have their human rights curtailed, people who already have very 547 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: limited ability to redress grievances. Think back to the early 548 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: days of modern Australia. The United Kingdom was had had 549 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: tons of draconian laws during the industrial era. There was 550 00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: a desperately poor population in overcrowded sitting and as a 551 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: solution to this, after making so many things death penalty offenses, 552 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: like ridiculously trivial crimes would carry the death penalty, the 553 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:18,439 Speaker 1: UK first started putting people in boat prisons, like these 554 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: floating things in the harbor that weren't seaworthy vessels, but 555 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: they just they held prisoners off the coast. And then 556 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: when that didn't work, when that stop gap wasn't enough, 557 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: they started shipping prisoners to a part of Australia called 558 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: New South Wales. This was punishment known as transportation in 559 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: lieu of the death penalty, and the first penal colony 560 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: was founded on January. I remember that really awesome sequence 561 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,280 Speaker 1: and I think it's the first Guardians of the Galaxy 562 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: movie where they're on like a prison ship, like basically 563 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: a prison space station where everyone's got like magnet boots 564 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: or they if they can't they can only walk in 565 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: certain areas or whatever. I didn't se might that be 566 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:04,439 Speaker 1: too far off? Could be a good use of space? Yeah? Well, 567 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: Also the prisoners in Australia, we're not just sitting around 568 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: in lock up. They were essentially conscripted colonists. They were 569 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: building the colony. That's how it is in prison in America. 570 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: And they're not building colonies, but they're building stuff for 571 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: all these companies. You know that license plate all about bathers, 572 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: that movie that I believe it's called Firefighters construction, timber 573 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: industry precedent again, more patterns, and uh boy, if you 574 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: are one of these Australian conscript colonists, life kind of sucks. 575 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: Food is scarce. A lot of people don't have the 576 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,920 Speaker 1: agrarian knowledge they need to grow food in this unfamiliar environment. 577 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: And it wasn't until like the early nineteenth century that 578 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: a governor said, hey, maybe Sydney and New South Wales 579 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: can be something other than a gigantic prison. And as 580 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: it was old of that, you know right now, I 581 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: think the statistic is something like roughly of modern day 582 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: Australians can trace can trace their ancestry back to someone 583 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,800 Speaker 1: who was transported by the United Kingdom. So history stays 584 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: with us. You know. Faulkner's right when he says the 585 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: past isn't past. And then I mean fast forward to 586 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: the modern day. There are roughly two million people in 587 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: the US incarceration system, prison, jail, so on, and they 588 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: have no hope of getting out for decades or in 589 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: some cases ever getting out. What if you were one 590 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 1: of these people and you were offered a choice, get 591 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,800 Speaker 1: this announcement and it says, come work for our company 592 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: on the moon, come help build Moonville. You'll get a 593 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: reduced sentence, but you'll also one day when your freedom 594 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: and you'll be participating in the most ambitious human experiments 595 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: since the day that first primate stood on its hind legs. Yeah, 596 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: I mean kind of like the Great Depression. It's like 597 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 1: come out CALIFORNI way, you know. But I mean not 598 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: with prisoners necessarily, but with poor people are essentially their 599 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: own kind of prisoners. That's that's very student observation. I mean, 600 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,959 Speaker 1: we were we're talking about this a little bit off 601 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: air with Mission Control. If you got that offer, what 602 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: you're over under on saying yes, would it depend Matt, 603 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,919 Speaker 1: I think you brought up maybe it depends on how 604 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,280 Speaker 1: long someone was going to be in regular prison anyway. Yeah, 605 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,680 Speaker 1: I mean I think if you got hit with a 606 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:34,680 Speaker 1: life sentence, I could imagine that making sense, right, Uh 607 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,440 Speaker 1: or maybe you know, again, we're all we're speculating a 608 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 1: ton here about maybe you do something illegal to get 609 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: ten years on purpose made hopefully that isn't too violent, 610 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: just so that you can get your own trip to 611 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: the moon, because he wouldn't be able to afford it otherwise, 612 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 1: like those unforeseen unforeseen, like those guys. That's that's a 613 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 1: real precedent too. There are people who have committed um 614 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: petty rhymes so that they can go to prison and 615 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,719 Speaker 1: have housing and food like people who and healthcare, health 616 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,600 Speaker 1: and healthcare. It's true. It's true, folks. And that might 617 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: tell weird to people outside of the United States, but 618 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: it's not an infrequent occurrence. I mean now, and I'm 619 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: sure that living in prison is no picnic, But they 620 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: spend more more money on a prisoner in terms of 621 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: government investment than they do on homeless people. Uh, no 622 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,320 Speaker 1: question about it. You get three square meals a day, 623 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: access to exercise, books, no, I just got to avoid 624 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 1: the occasional shanking. Well, most most people, as I understand it, 625 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: in prison, who are like doing doing serious time. Most 626 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: people there are just trying to keep their head down. 627 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: You know. It's there's an old there's an old saying 628 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: where they say you only do two days. It's the 629 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: day you go in and the day you go out. 630 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: That that kind of mentality, which I think is philosophical, 631 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: but a cold comfort. Nonetheless, so we can see how 632 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: people would say, Okay, yeah, I'll go to Moonville. It 633 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: beats prison. And you know, if we if we want 634 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,879 Speaker 1: to further just speculate about what could be done here. 635 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: If a private prison system wanted to enact something like this, 636 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: you could theoretically have prerequisites for the prisoners who were 637 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: there for the types of crimes, for maybe the physical 638 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: fitness of a certain you know type that you're looking 639 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: for specifically if you're looking for those prisoners to do oh, 640 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: I don't know, mining on the moon or a moon 641 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: of Jupiter or something to that effect. Um, it's kind 642 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 1: of creepy. It's it's really creepy to think about, because 643 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: you could you could restrict eligibility to most people. But 644 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:47,600 Speaker 1: have a specific type of prisoner that becomes the space prisoner. Sure, 645 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: and then you know, Ben, we were talking a little 646 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: bit off air about our friend friend of the show, 647 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: Peyton Fisher, who's a brilliant lawyer, and he did, I think, 648 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 1: sort of like a mock trial, and he's in law 649 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: school about the idea of space law. And it wouldn't 650 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: necessarily I mean, I guess it would be sort of 651 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,879 Speaker 1: like those outposts in Alaska, I guess, or Antarctica rather 652 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: where like there would be regions that are controlled kind 653 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,720 Speaker 1: of but you can't really plan a flag in space. 654 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: Is there a precedent for that? Just an out open space? 655 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: So what laws would apply? And they would baically write 656 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,480 Speaker 1: new space laws I think kind of Yeah, you know, 657 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: what's happening now is kind of outdated. Right now, we've 658 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: got two dystopian scenarios shout out to Jonathan Strickland for 659 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: ruining that word for me. One a brutal company town, 660 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,280 Speaker 1: secondly a future prison farm. Neither of them sounds super appealing, 661 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: but ethics society, they could work pretty well, especially when 662 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: you're thinking of them in the context of some vaunted 663 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: greater good. And there are other more cheerful scenarios like 664 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:53,240 Speaker 1: a an independent lunar government maybe in time, or technocracy. 665 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 1: But they would also have their own problems because there 666 00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: would be precedent. But this would be the first kind 667 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: of endeavor of its kind. And this is where we 668 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: get to your question, Noel. At this point, it's fair 669 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: to ask, so what has stopped a major corporation from 670 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,359 Speaker 1: doing this? Already? A lot of the technology is there 671 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,280 Speaker 1: right to at least make an attempt, even if the 672 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,279 Speaker 1: long term success of that attempt is very much help 673 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: in the air, I kid you not. The main thing 674 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 1: stopping these endeavors is paperwork. Specifically, one very old piece 675 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: of paperwork from all the way back in seven, the 676 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: Outer Space Treaty. This bad Boy explicitly states that no 677 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,239 Speaker 1: one can go to another planet or the moon and 678 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: pop a flag on it and say this is me. Now, 679 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,239 Speaker 1: this is a David Busters, don't call it io anymore. Yeah, 680 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: unless they have bigger space guns, that seems pretty non 681 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: binding the end of the day. If things really took off, 682 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: Pun entirely intended that all of a sudden there'd be 683 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: a war for space. Well yeah, but the thing is 684 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: that war would take place on Earth. It would be 685 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: between nations, right, like all the all those who signed 686 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 1: the treaty would be angry at whichever nation decided the 687 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: treaty didn't matter. And there's a lot of work about 688 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: militarization and space. Uh, it's very difficult. Check out our 689 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: earlier episode. By the way, folks on militarization in space. 690 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,400 Speaker 1: There are laws about it. But those laws also, as 691 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: we're gonna see, are kind of outdated, and they have 692 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,439 Speaker 1: a lot of loopholes. Their their flawed, they're not perfect documents. Uh. 693 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: There's a great article in Science Focus with writer named 694 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: Peter Ward, and he breaks down some of the issues 695 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: with this. He notes that when this was signed in 696 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: the private space sector wasn't really around, right. It's so 697 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: it's not clear how some of these rules would apply 698 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: to private companies and then can lee and Ward is 699 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,320 Speaker 1: maybe being a little bit cynical here, but I agree 700 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,439 Speaker 1: there's no way, in Ward's opinion, this agreement will last 701 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: much longer because anyone with a plan to land on 702 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 1: the Moon or Mars and stay there is going to 703 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: run into the Outer Space Treaty. And the money is 704 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: on the wealthy and powerful winning out against an old 705 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,919 Speaker 1: loophole ridden document. What do you guys think about that too? 706 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,320 Speaker 1: Sorry that that that was much more my question. It 707 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't be governments that would sneak into space or just 708 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: do it take it upon themselves. It would be the 709 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: private sector because they have developed the technology to do it, 710 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,240 Speaker 1: because they can move so much faster than the government 711 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: can for the most part, unless they were like in 712 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 1: league with the government. If they were really doing it, 713 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,479 Speaker 1: they could secretly do it and then just boom. Now 714 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,960 Speaker 1: we own space or we own the sector of space, 715 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: and you come at us, will blast you with our 716 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 1: space rockets. I'm being silly, but also not that far 717 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,600 Speaker 1: off from where we are. Yeah, it's I mean, you know, look, 718 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: world government's intelligence agencies key a very close eye on 719 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,879 Speaker 1: everything that launches. There's not really a way to hide 720 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 1: a satellite, nor is there a way to hide a launch. 721 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 1: But once you get up there and establish your toe hold, 722 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: it could be very difficult to remove that presence for 723 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,520 Speaker 1: multiple reasons. But I love the point we're bringing up here. Uh. 724 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 1: You know, lobbying is one of the most powerful tools 725 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,319 Speaker 1: of the powerful few. It's got a it's undergone a 726 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 1: renaissance and explosion in recent decades, private space companies are 727 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: part of the game. They understand the power. Not saying 728 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: they're sinister at all. They're doing a very rational thing, 729 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:41,360 Speaker 1: which is trying to um nudge toward policy that makes 730 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: their job and their ambitions easier to achieve. And for 731 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 1: now there's all a hypothetical. But even though it's hypothetical, 732 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 1: it's important to note supporters of private space initiatives, some 733 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: of your faithful hosts included, have a valid point when 734 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,240 Speaker 1: they say, well, you know what, getting to space cost money, 735 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,840 Speaker 1: and the res rich involved does have real world benefits 736 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: for the US terrestrial schmucks stuck on Earth. And at 737 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: no point so far has any billionaire or private company 738 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,280 Speaker 1: ever said, Hey, yeah, we're gonna make Mars a prison colony. 739 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: Three cheers for US and our Q for profits. No 740 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,239 Speaker 1: one says that. And and there's an advantage to private companies, Matt, 741 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,960 Speaker 1: you and I were talking about this a little bit 742 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,920 Speaker 1: before recording. NASA exists at the whim of politicians and 743 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 1: the public right, so they can't their budget can swing 744 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: or can get cut depending upon what administrations in power 745 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: or who's who's running Congress, and what their beliefs or 746 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: I guess in theory the beliefs of their constituents are 747 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 1: private companies don't have to do that, And that's I'm 748 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,279 Speaker 1: still trying to figure out if that's a pro or 749 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,120 Speaker 1: a con. I think it could go either way. I 750 00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of both. The one 751 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,839 Speaker 1: thing I wanted to bring up just because I think 752 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense here, guys, before we 753 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: get out of here with regards to that, been is 754 00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,520 Speaker 1: a problem with NASA, going back to the Space Shuttle 755 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,800 Speaker 1: program that we've kind of briefly mentioned here in the 756 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,600 Speaker 1: show already, the Challenger disaster of nineteen six and it's 757 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: specifically because NASA is dealing with a ton of engineering 758 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,399 Speaker 1: issues when developing this technology, the shuttle itself, but most 759 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 1: importantly those rockets that the thing needs to get up 760 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,359 Speaker 1: into space, and you need time to fix problems, right 761 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,319 Speaker 1: you to develop these things. That's one of the major 762 00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,160 Speaker 1: things we've talked about. You need tons of time to 763 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,360 Speaker 1: develop this tech, and NASA didn't have the time that 764 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,920 Speaker 1: they needed in the nineteen eighties, in those mid nineteen 765 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,960 Speaker 1: eighties to really get these rockets to where they needed 766 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: to be because of external pressures from the government when 767 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,879 Speaker 1: it comes to timeline, we need you to launch X 768 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 1: number of shuttles on a calendar year in order for 769 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 1: us to get enough satellites up there and to justify 770 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,200 Speaker 1: the costs of this program, right. Uh, talking about the 771 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: budget there have been in this case, if you've got 772 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,799 Speaker 1: a private company that has a budget that's agreed upon 773 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:13,920 Speaker 1: by the board of governors or whoever is running the 774 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 1: corporation um or you know, just the CEO or whatever, 775 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,600 Speaker 1: and then the external pressures on that budget and how 776 00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,839 Speaker 1: many flights they are able to get up in the air, 777 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,520 Speaker 1: and how much money they're able to generate from those 778 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,359 Speaker 1: flights is gonna be from shareholders the public. And if 779 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,759 Speaker 1: they can't deliver enough on what they've you know, projected 780 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 1: that they're gonna do so enough flights, then the shareholders 781 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,839 Speaker 1: are gonna leave, and the stock price is going to fall, 782 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 1: and the entire company is going to fall apart. And 783 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 1: that just means constant scaling, more and more and more 784 00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 1: more trips out there. We talked off air. Uh. Compared 785 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 1: this to kind of what's happened with Mount Everest and 786 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: all of these kind of rich, you know, climber types 787 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 1: that want to go on some missed coal quest with 788 00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 1: a sherpa. It's led to just trash being strown all 789 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: over the beautiful peaks of Mount Everest. Yeah, and that 790 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,880 Speaker 1: external pressure to grow is what causes things like the 791 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 1: Challenger disaster because it's pushing the tech, the development of 792 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:19,040 Speaker 1: the tech beyond it's a threshold of safety, right right, 793 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:24,280 Speaker 1: And this also occurred in multiple instances in the Soviet 794 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,960 Speaker 1: space programs, so unfortunately, there's no reason to imagine that 795 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,880 Speaker 1: it wouldn't occur again in the future. But yeah, there 796 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 1: was a Virgin galactic vehicle that crashed in two thousand 797 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,319 Speaker 1: fourteen as they were trying to develop and it killed 798 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,400 Speaker 1: a pilot. Thankfully, you know, sadly for that pilot in 799 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,800 Speaker 1: the pilot's family, but thankfully it was just a single 800 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,759 Speaker 1: pilot running a test, rather than you know, a group 801 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,279 Speaker 1: of people on a Virgin spaceflight trying to go up 802 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 1: into SubOrbit. Agree And this is a strange thing because 803 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: it can be difficult for a lot of folks to 804 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: take these ideas seriously. A lot of what we're discussing 805 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,600 Speaker 1: today remains for now in the realm of the hypothetical. 806 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,160 Speaker 1: But how long will that be the case? How long 807 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 1: will this be the stuff of science fiction? As we 808 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: established earlier, science fiction is a genre with an expiration date, 809 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 1: and often it becomes just science fact. But you know, 810 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 1: space travel, like all the other ages of exploration before, 811 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,960 Speaker 1: it may well carry the sins of humanities past somewhere 812 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 1: in its figurative cargo hold, and a modern civilization cannot 813 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,040 Speaker 1: learn from those past horrors. There is realistically very little 814 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,279 Speaker 1: to stop humanity from repeating them. And that's maybe what 815 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,759 Speaker 1: we leave you with today. I get so excited when 816 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: we talk about space. Uh if I now that you 817 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: put the idea in my head, Matt, if Moonville happens, 818 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm above faking a crime to 819 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: get in prison to go on the moon. Uh, I 820 00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,960 Speaker 1: don't know. He's just got to be something that shows 821 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:06,480 Speaker 1: you have in acuity for moon mining, right. I just 822 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:10,400 Speaker 1: hope there's moona nights there, Remember the moona Nights. I 823 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,839 Speaker 1: hope you can see this because I'm doing it as 824 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,880 Speaker 1: hard as I can. I don't know what, Like, I 825 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,640 Speaker 1: want the space ice cream. I hope that's still a thing. 826 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 1: I want the Yeah, I grabbed some of that every 827 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 1: time I'm at a museum, gift shop, vaguely science museum. 828 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: I love it. I like the Neapology. Can I ask you, 829 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,560 Speaker 1: gus a question to close out, what's your favorite or 830 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: what you feel is the most accurately representative film about 831 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,760 Speaker 1: space future that's not like Pie in the Sky wild 832 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,480 Speaker 1: sci fi. That's more like realistic, you know, kind of 833 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,719 Speaker 1: this is what it might be like Interstellar, I think 834 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,400 Speaker 1: is what comes to mind from me is a spaceballs 835 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 1: Got it? God? Gravity Gravity was pretty good good. I 836 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: really like at astra at As. Yeah, I mean just 837 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,280 Speaker 1: some of the stuff that they shot on the lunar surface, 838 00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, some of those some of those things, and 839 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,640 Speaker 1: the tech felt very real to me. And a little 840 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,000 Speaker 1: known fact that's also where they shot the moon landing 841 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:19,279 Speaker 1: or Kubrick shot the same sounds. Do check out Fantastic 842 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,439 Speaker 1: Mitchell and web Look conspiracy sketch series where they talked 843 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,080 Speaker 1: about the moon landing. Uh it is. Oh, it's wonderful. 844 00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to spoil it. Just go to YouTube 845 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,640 Speaker 1: now look it up. And while you're on the internet, 846 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: why not reach out to us let us know what 847 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,239 Speaker 1: you think about the future of private space travel. Is 848 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,880 Speaker 1: it overall a really good thing? Is it a necessary evil? 849 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,120 Speaker 1: Is it the wrong move? On a macro level? We 850 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,080 Speaker 1: want to hear your thoughts. We can't wait for you 851 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 1: to dig in with us. 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