WEBVTT - Superintendent Series: Nick Nate on St. Andrews and South Bend

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<v Speaker 1>is with Nick Nate. Nick is the superintendent at South

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<v Speaker 1>Bend Country Club. He got his art working on Warren

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<v Speaker 1>Golf Course at the end of their construction. Nick is

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<v Speaker 1>a golf nut. He does it really for the love

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<v Speaker 1>of golf. He's superintendent and I was really exciting to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to him about turf and his career. So without

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<v Speaker 1>further ado here is Nick Nate I miss a green.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, I'm already upset. When I find my ball

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<v Speaker 1>in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball in a brid egg

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<v Speaker 2>Friday egg the dread Frida egg Frida egg egg Frida

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<v Speaker 2>egg bride egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off

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<v Speaker 2>the golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>So are you a big Notre Dame fan?

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<v Speaker 2>Huge Notre Dame fan? Grew up here? Love it, been

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<v Speaker 2>going to football games my whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the take like? Are you know should they join

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<v Speaker 1>a conference or.

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<v Speaker 2>It's tough because they've joined the conference for for all

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<v Speaker 2>the other sports except for football, and from a money

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<v Speaker 2>side of things, it wouldn't be good for the university.

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<v Speaker 2>And they like their anonymity so they can stay separate

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<v Speaker 2>and do their own thing and have a better chance

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<v Speaker 2>to get into the playoffs. So I don't think they

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<v Speaker 2>ever will for football, but they have for all the

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<v Speaker 2>other other sports.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uh so what uh? Any tips on?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody people make the pilgrimage to come to see a

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<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame game all the time? What are what are?

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<v Speaker 1>What are a couple of local inside tips?

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<v Speaker 2>You want to get here? Early enough and actually walk

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<v Speaker 2>around see the tailgate and watch the team come walk

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<v Speaker 2>walk from the basilica over to the university. That's a cool,

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<v Speaker 2>cool little thing that they do, and it's it's really

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<v Speaker 2>neat to watch. And note getting over to the linebacker

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<v Speaker 2>is a must at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the line bar.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bar that's right there off a campus that

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a kind of a tradition, but it's a

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<v Speaker 2>great actual, great place to go to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, one of your great tips was if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't like football, the best time to play golf

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<v Speaker 1>in South Bend is on Saturday afternoons.

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<v Speaker 2>Very true, very true, because it's a you can hear

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<v Speaker 2>the game actually going on when you're at the golf

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<v Speaker 2>course on the with the Warren golf Course. The Brick

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<v Speaker 2>golf course is closed at that time, but every golf

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<v Speaker 2>course in town is virtually wide open. You could play

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere here at that point, especially Warren.

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<v Speaker 1>When did you decide that you wanted to get into turf.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to business school at IU South Bend

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<v Speaker 2>and I was working at the Warren golf Course.

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<v Speaker 1>And what year would this be?

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<v Speaker 2>It was two thousand, I was there nineteen ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>and two.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousand, So that's like right after it opened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep, it was. It was it was during well,

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<v Speaker 2>they were still doing some of the sootting I started there.

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<v Speaker 2>We were still doing some of the sotting at the

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<v Speaker 2>golf course, and we were getting truckloads a day. I really,

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<v Speaker 2>I just I just realized that I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>do my business side of things and decided I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to go to school at Rutgers and my boss

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<v Speaker 2>there at the time really helped me out doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you're in business school and then you just

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<v Speaker 1>so you already had gone to undergrad.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I was already three years into business school.

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<v Speaker 1>Three years into business school, and you just to make

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<v Speaker 1>an abrupt change. You were in school. You were in

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<v Speaker 1>school for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, and then I moved went out to Jersey

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<v Speaker 2>and went to Rutgers for turf and decided that, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>that was my path. And it just it just something

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<v Speaker 2>triggered me. I love golf, always have and grew up

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<v Speaker 2>playing it with my with my dad and just absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>Where'd you grow up playing around here?

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<v Speaker 2>I played Morse Park and Brookwood golf Course, and my

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<v Speaker 2>dad really played all over the place. Took me kind

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<v Speaker 2>of everywhere in this area, Erskine, Elbell here, South End

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<v Speaker 2>country Club, just all over the place.

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<v Speaker 1>What was it like, you know where people must have

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<v Speaker 1>been really excited about Notre Dame getting a new course

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<v Speaker 1>and then you were a part of it. And then

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<v Speaker 1>what was it like when it opened? Was it was

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<v Speaker 1>it really busy with with locals and students alike, or

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<v Speaker 1>how how was that whole transition?

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<v Speaker 2>It was very busy, very very busy right when it opened.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a phenomenal golf course still is They They

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<v Speaker 2>offered a lot of a lot of neat things for

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<v Speaker 2>people to come play there around the area, So it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was jam packed, uh for a good five

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<v Speaker 2>ten years where everybody got to come play it. And uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the the locals really really took to the fact of

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<v Speaker 2>having Bill Core and Ben Crenshaw build a golf course

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<v Speaker 2>in in this area.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was early on and there it probably was

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<v Speaker 1>so much different than everything around too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it was it was basically like a

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<v Speaker 2>celebrity coming to building a golf course in your area.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, at that point he was still playing

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<v Speaker 2>pretty and so they h it was it was a

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<v Speaker 2>really big deal in the area.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you probably his celebrity definitely gave him more license

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<v Speaker 1>to do different stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and there it was. It's not like any any

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<v Speaker 2>golf course we have in the area. It's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a newer model golf course and it was one of

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<v Speaker 2>their first and just uh it's it's held the test

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<v Speaker 2>of time over the last twenty years. It's been a

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<v Speaker 2>great golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing that I look at with it is

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<v Speaker 1>like how well it's aged. You know, it's essentially effectively

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<v Speaker 1>almost twenty getting close to twenty five years old, and

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<v Speaker 1>it just seems like everything still works just perfect the

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<v Speaker 1>way it was worked the first day it was built.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they both. They both when they built the golf course,

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<v Speaker 2>they really looked at it from a standpoint of maintenance

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<v Speaker 2>issues and how the golf course can stay stay healthy

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<v Speaker 2>in the way way they built it from a maintenance standpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>because the maintenance practices haven't changed much and they still

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<v Speaker 2>keep the golf course in pristine condition and they've only

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<v Speaker 2>they've only changed a few things over there. They added

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<v Speaker 2>some bunkers and stuff for the for the Senior Open

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<v Speaker 2>that they had a couple of years ago, but golf courses,

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<v Speaker 2>it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what do you do? You have any moment do

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<v Speaker 1>you was there a specific moment that you remember that

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<v Speaker 1>made you say, I, I don't want to do you know,

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<v Speaker 1>go work in the business world. I wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>a superintendent. Is there like a did you have a

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<v Speaker 1>specific away at like moment that you remember back to

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<v Speaker 1>or is it just kind of like a did it

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<v Speaker 1>just build over the time that you were working at Warren.

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<v Speaker 2>In two thousand and one, I went and volunteered for

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<v Speaker 2>the Buick Open up at Warwick Hills in Michigan, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was my first real besides some of the college

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<v Speaker 2>tournaments that they held at Warren, I'd never been a

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<v Speaker 2>part of a big tournament like that, and I realized

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<v Speaker 2>that that point on, I wanted to be at golf

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<v Speaker 2>course that was holding holding tournament events. And so that's

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<v Speaker 2>what propelled me to go to Rutgers and then and

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<v Speaker 2>then be on from that to Saint Andrews.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk about that talk with America gone working at St. Andrews.

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<v Speaker 2>Once I realized I needed to do an internship in

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<v Speaker 2>the summer, I really I wanted to go to the

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<v Speaker 2>best place I could and so I called Gordon Moyer,

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<v Speaker 2>who was the head of the UH runs all the

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<v Speaker 2>golf courses at Sant Andrews Leaks. He actually just retired

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<v Speaker 2>last year, and asked him how I could apply, and

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<v Speaker 2>he said, you could come over here for an interview.

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<v Speaker 2>And so my brother lived in London at the point

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<v Speaker 2>that time, so I flew over and stayed with my

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<v Speaker 2>brother for a week, went up to Saint Andrew's for

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<v Speaker 2>a day and met with him, and from then on

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<v Speaker 2>I got the job. And the following two months later

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<v Speaker 2>I was there working.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you work at all the courses or just

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<v Speaker 1>the old course, the old course, just the old course, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how many people apply for that that internship?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. We had We had six other interns

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<v Speaker 2>at the other golf courses and I was the only one.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that I was anything special, but they gave the

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<v Speaker 2>original plan was for everybody to flip flop and get

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<v Speaker 2>a chance on all the different courses, and for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 2>they just kept me on the old course, and I

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<v Speaker 2>loved every minute of it. I got to learn how

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<v Speaker 2>they how they they still used a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>practices that they did back in the day with old

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Morris. We topped dressed by hand with a knapsack

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<v Speaker 2>over our like we were carrying a backpack, and we

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<v Speaker 2>would throw it out a specific way. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>it was a very neat experience for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that your first time to Scotland? Yes, at that point, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for that interview. Yes, you went up for one day,

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<v Speaker 1>it came back up for one day, it came back

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're then you get that and you're there

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<v Speaker 1>for two months.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I stayed there for eight months?

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<v Speaker 1>Eight months, okay? And that so where what did you

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<v Speaker 1>start by doing? Like what year were you in interf

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<v Speaker 1>school at that point and what how did your kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like progression and in the internship work? How did

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<v Speaker 1>it work?

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<v Speaker 2>That was my first year. That was after my first

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<v Speaker 2>year interf school and we needed to do an internship.

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<v Speaker 2>And once I first started there, my first probably two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks I was there, I did nothing but rake bunkers

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much all day every day because the wind would

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<v Speaker 2>blow and we would need to push up bunkers. And

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<v Speaker 2>then they've slowly graduated me to doing course setup and

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<v Speaker 2>mowen greens and moan fairways and everything. And by the

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<v Speaker 2>end of it he was letting me supervise different things.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like supervise the fairway crew and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>My direct boss was Eddie Adams and he works for

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<v Speaker 2>the European Tour now as an agronomist and he was

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<v Speaker 2>great for me. He's helped me a lot in my career.

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<v Speaker 2>Him and Gordon both have been really good. And at

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<v Speaker 2>that point Gordon McKee, who's the superintendent of the old

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<v Speaker 2>course now, he was the superintendent of the strath Tyron

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<v Speaker 2>Course and so I still know a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>guys that are over there and still talk to him

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<v Speaker 2>now and again. So it was a great group of

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<v Speaker 2>guys that really helped me on my career.

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<v Speaker 1>What was your favorite job of all of them? Was

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<v Speaker 1>it the setup or the mowing the green? Like what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think think back to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Muff, Probably the walk mowing of the greens and the

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<v Speaker 2>top resting of the greens. Those were two things because

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<v Speaker 2>when you walk mode the greens over there, which wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>every day, we'd triplex them sometimes, but walk mowing the

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<v Speaker 2>greens over there was a six hour job for six

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<v Speaker 2>guys because the greens are so big and when you're

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<v Speaker 2>taking that long route going side to side. You're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about one hundred and fifty one hundred and fifty yard

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<v Speaker 2>pass and conditioning over there was everything. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have to do a lot of things that we

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<v Speaker 2>do here in the States, and so the molling lines

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<v Speaker 2>being straight, bunkers and good edges was everything over there.

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<v Speaker 2>That was what kept the course interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Condition Did you think about ever just staying over there

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<v Speaker 1>and not going back to America?

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<v Speaker 2>I really did, and I decided to come back. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been back there a few times, but I've yes, there

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<v Speaker 2>were a couple of points I regretted not staying over there,

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<v Speaker 2>and longer, what do you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Back now as a superintendent, Like what are the things

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<v Speaker 1>that you look at that they do in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the UK that you wish was more of a common

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<v Speaker 1>practice here.

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<v Speaker 2>Bunkers are hazards over there, and they treat them that way,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not meant to be perfect, and I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>over here, we've gotten to the point where bunkers need

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<v Speaker 2>to be just absolutely pristine on a day in, day

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<v Speaker 2>out basis, and they keep them a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>natural over there and makes it a little bit tougher

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<v Speaker 2>to get out of them. And I really like that

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<v Speaker 2>and everything is simple over there. It's there. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we only had nine nine, well twelve crew members total

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<v Speaker 2>on the old course, and over here you're having crews

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<v Speaker 2>of fifteen to twenty on a on a normal golf course.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the thing about courses in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>The old courses like the crown jewel of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe all of all of golf. But like if you

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<v Speaker 1>compare it to many how many guys are on the

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<v Speaker 1>curre at Pine Valley probably forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty easily, easily at least thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Or yeah, so so you got four times the amount

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<v Speaker 1>of people almost, yep, just to it's interesting, yep. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot less inputs, right.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot less inputs. The only applications we put on

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<v Speaker 2>the year I was there was we did a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of herbicide along the edge of the the smoke

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<v Speaker 2>and burn, and a few a few other fertilizer inputs.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was pretty much take what mother nature gives

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<v Speaker 2>you over there.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course, like it's a completely different setting.

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<v Speaker 2>So comparing, oh yeah, definitely that comes into play.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, So what'd you do after Saint Andrews and

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<v Speaker 1>how and how disappointing was the next next thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The next thing was disappointing just just leaving there in general,

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<v Speaker 2>because it was, you know, it was it was such

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<v Speaker 2>a simple time and you only worked forty hours, and

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<v Speaker 2>so every day after work I would go play golf.

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<v Speaker 2>And so going from that to coming over here, moving

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<v Speaker 2>to Chicago and going to the was a huge change

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<v Speaker 2>because then you're going to work in eighty plus hours

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<v Speaker 2>a week and doing everything from watering every day, fertilizing,

0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:14.360
<v Speaker 2>spraying every day, and just it's a different maintenance practices

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<v Speaker 2>all in general. But it was good. I was at

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<v Speaker 2>Madina from two thousand and three to two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 2>and I loved it. I had a good time there.

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<v Speaker 2>Had a great bosson Tom Lively who really took care.

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<v Speaker 1>Of us and furthered my career had a major.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we had the two thousand and six PGA Championship

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<v Speaker 2>while I was there, and it was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>fun hosting that and a lot of other small events

0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:38.240
<v Speaker 2>that we had that were great as well.

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<v Speaker 1>What about tournament golf really kind of let your passion

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<v Speaker 1>for being a superintendent.

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<v Speaker 2>Just having that course in pristine condition, for having the

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<v Speaker 2>best players in the world come and play is just

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<v Speaker 2>puts it at another level. In my opinion, I just

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<v Speaker 2>love it. I love setting up a course for a

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<v Speaker 2>tournament and having those players come and play it and

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<v Speaker 2>being able to show what you do you off it

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<v Speaker 2>means a lot to me.

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<v Speaker 1>What how do you kind of go about the process

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<v Speaker 1>like it? If you're six months out, what are you

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do and are there certain milestones that you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to hit as you go along? You just finished

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<v Speaker 1>having a Cemetra event here at South Bend. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>know this has got to be fresh in your mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. About about six months and months ago we started

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<v Speaker 2>working on some of the bunker issues that we had

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<v Speaker 2>and redoing those with a better billy bunker and getting

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<v Speaker 2>the mowing lines sitelines good for the girls coming to play,

0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.040
<v Speaker 2>and getting the greens where we want them from a

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<v Speaker 2>firmness standpoint and moisture standpoint, and just basically getting those

0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.200
<v Speaker 2>projects done. We added a few tea and complexes for it,

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<v Speaker 2>those those things. Getting those issues resolved about six months out,

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<v Speaker 2>But once you get to that three weeks out is

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<v Speaker 2>when you start getting the course in just prescene condition,

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<v Speaker 2>all the details, everything trimmed up, everything mode properly. We

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<v Speaker 2>dealt with a little rain this past week for the

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<v Speaker 2>for the Cemetro event, but other than that we had

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<v Speaker 2>everything where we wanted it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, big a little bit of rain understatement.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we had. We had eight inches of rain this

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<v Speaker 2>on during during the week. So by by Wednesday afternoon

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<v Speaker 2>when we had the pro ams, it was it was

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<v Speaker 2>dicey to say the least, where we had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of water on the property. My crew absolutely killed it

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<v Speaker 2>getting the h with squeegees and pumps and getting everything

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<v Speaker 2>off the course. We did. We it worked out really well.

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<v Speaker 2>We had the greens, the greens were fine. The greens

0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.080
<v Speaker 2>drained well here, so we had those good to go.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was the fairways and some of the rough

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<v Speaker 2>spots getting those in good shape. But it worked out

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<v Speaker 2>really well and by by by Friday, Saturday, Sunday, we

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<v Speaker 2>were good to go.

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<v Speaker 1>So, you know, while you're at Medina, what what type

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff did you take away from that experience from

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<v Speaker 1>like how different it was from Saint Andrew's to Madonna,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know, obviously that's it. It's a big chasm,

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<v Speaker 1>but both like especially at that time, landmarks of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>American golf, landmark of UK golf.

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<v Speaker 2>It was more about the conditioning. So being at St Andrews,

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<v Speaker 2>I really learned everything was about pristine condition and that's

0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:22.000
<v Speaker 2>what that's what the we did there there. There wasn't

0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:23.399
<v Speaker 2>a lot of other things to do. You didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to worry about hamwatering every day. It was the basics.

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<v Speaker 2>It was top dressing, it was the mowing lines, straight

0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.360
<v Speaker 2>mowing lines and everything like that. And I really took

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<v Speaker 2>that to Madina that that really has helped me in

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<v Speaker 2>my career, just making sure detailed work is done and

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<v Speaker 2>roll prepped up for the golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>Where were the places you were playing when you were

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<v Speaker 1>You said you played a lot of golf when you're

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<v Speaker 1>at St Andrews because you're you know, forty hours a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Where where were you were you exploring all over the

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<v Speaker 1>country or was it mostly centrally located around around the

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<v Speaker 1>old course?

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<v Speaker 2>Mostly entry located, But I Kings Barnes is right down

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<v Speaker 2>the road. I played there a lot. I played all

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<v Speaker 2>all six of the courses at St Andrews now they

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<v Speaker 2>have seven, but played the Old course probably at least

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<v Speaker 2>two times a week, And which is I've felt spoiled

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<v Speaker 2>being able to do that. That was probably the worst

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<v Speaker 2>part of coming back here, but Kings Barns, Mierfield, Carnusti

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<v Speaker 2>I would go kind of, I would go all over,

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<v Speaker 2>but mainly the St Andrews courses and Kings Barnes were

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<v Speaker 2>my favorites to play.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that you go back as like a visitor more so,

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<v Speaker 1>are there pockets or courses that you've kind of discovered

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<v Speaker 1>that you wish you had played more when you're around.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I wish I would have got to Golane and

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<v Speaker 2>some of the other ones that I never really never

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<v Speaker 2>really made it to, And I plan on going back

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<v Speaker 2>next year and hopefully I'll get to go to some

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<v Speaker 2>of the other ones because there's still a lot of

0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.119
<v Speaker 2>courses over there that I haven't hit Berwick and some

0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.040
<v Speaker 2>of those they're just great golf courses.

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<v Speaker 1>How does you're obviously you you travel, You play a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of golf, and you travel a fair amount to

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<v Speaker 1>see places. How does that help you as a superintendent?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you go see places.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's really important to go see other golf

0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.720
<v Speaker 2>courses because you can see what other people are doing

0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:17.320
<v Speaker 2>and pick things up. Anywhere I go. I've been able

0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.000
<v Speaker 2>to pick things up that other people do, and it

0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:22.440
<v Speaker 2>helps you maintain your own golf course and see what

0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:25.280
<v Speaker 2>things you can add to make your golf course better,

0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.280
<v Speaker 2>because you can always make it better. And I've learned

0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:29.639
<v Speaker 2>that at every place that I've gone to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any examples of things that you've brought

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<v Speaker 1>back from somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Over the past past couple of years, I've played

0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:43.200
<v Speaker 2>some really good golf courses, and I would say I

0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:47.520
<v Speaker 2>would say the mowing lines and visuals going to a

0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.360
<v Speaker 2>place like Seminol that I went there a few years

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<v Speaker 2>ago and just seeing some of the visuals that you

0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:53.800
<v Speaker 2>have going up to the holes and trying to bring

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<v Speaker 2>those into your own course of how you see a hole,

0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:01.919
<v Speaker 2>and not so much that comparing anything that I have

0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:06.200
<v Speaker 2>to Seminole, but just how you visualize a hole, making

0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.480
<v Speaker 2>you realize how you can visualize certain holes at your

0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:12.640
<v Speaker 2>golf course. It really impacts what we've done here from

0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:15.320
<v Speaker 2>a member standpoint and how they view our course now

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<v Speaker 2>on some of the holes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So you're at South Bend. It's a nineteen sixteen

0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:27.239
<v Speaker 1>George O'Neill design. You've been in the process of, you know,

0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:31.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to take out some trees and start to restore

0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:37.240
<v Speaker 1>some features that we're here. And obviously that probably Seminole

0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.879
<v Speaker 1>would be interesting because you know that place doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of trees. The trees it has are very

0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.520
<v Speaker 1>skinny and unobtrusive to sight lines.

0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:46.879
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>But talk about the process of kind of starting to

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<v Speaker 1>bring back some of the features that have been lost

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<v Speaker 1>over the years here at South Bend.

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<v Speaker 2>So over the years have been a lot of changes.

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<v Speaker 2>The greens have gotten a lot smaller, and wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>bring those out to the way George O'Neil had it

0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:09.119
<v Speaker 2>was on one of the first things I wanted to

0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:13.040
<v Speaker 2>do here. We're in discussions about trying to do some

0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:17.080
<v Speaker 2>of that and that open it out. We've lost probably

0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.600
<v Speaker 2>about half our green size over the years. There weren't

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of trees when they built a golf course,

0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.120
<v Speaker 2>and so that's been the other thing. We've taken out

0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.440
<v Speaker 2>twelve hundred trees in the last five or six years,

0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:28.840
<v Speaker 2>and so.

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<v Speaker 1>We've still there's for everybody that loves trees, there's still

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<v Speaker 1>a million trees.

0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Still, there's still a million trees out here. Could we

0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.560
<v Speaker 2>could keep going easily and we could get to two thousand,

0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:43.119
<v Speaker 2>you'd still see plenty of trees out here, so they

0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:47.520
<v Speaker 2>were not short on planting trees out here. But beyond that,

0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:51.320
<v Speaker 2>there's beyond the greens expansions some of the visuals that

0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:53.720
<v Speaker 2>we've had a lake. We've really expanded it where you

0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:55.879
<v Speaker 2>can see the lake from a lot of points. Before

0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.080
<v Speaker 2>you and I were out on fifteen t earlier today

0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.760
<v Speaker 2>and five years ago, you couldn't see the lake from

0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:03.760
<v Speaker 2>fifteen to T and now you have a whole clear

0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:06.680
<v Speaker 2>view of that whole of chain of lake out there

0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.680
<v Speaker 2>and out here where we're sitting now you can see

0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:12.960
<v Speaker 2>part of the lake, but we still have a decent

0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:14.840
<v Speaker 2>amount to go to get get to that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So with this with this club, obviously you you're

0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:22.119
<v Speaker 1>very well traveled. I think you've you've got members that

0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:25.239
<v Speaker 1>are you have a large national member contingent, But then

0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.520
<v Speaker 1>you have members that have traveled, members that haven't really

0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:31.640
<v Speaker 1>in South Bend Country Club is like a very good

0:22:31.680 --> 0:22:35.000
<v Speaker 1>course and you know a lot of members that haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen stuff. Do you Is there some struggle with getting

0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:42.560
<v Speaker 1>them on board with pushing towards you know, something different

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<v Speaker 1>than what they've played for a number of years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's always a struggle with getting everybody on the

0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:49.720
<v Speaker 2>same page. It's never going to happen getting everybody on

0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:52.480
<v Speaker 2>the same page. But as we've done things here, guys

0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:55.639
<v Speaker 2>have realized that there is a purpose for it and

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:57.840
<v Speaker 2>what it's brought to the table. So there's been a

0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.560
<v Speaker 2>lot of people who weren't happy with certain things we've done,

0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:05.320
<v Speaker 2>but they've realized the endpoint is is something that they

0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:08.000
<v Speaker 2>that they would want and so we're we're slowly making

0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:11.040
<v Speaker 2>progress with that and I think we'll we'll eventually get there.

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<v Speaker 1>Toro distributor today. Now back to Nick Nate, what you

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<v Speaker 1>know into in terms of, you know, agronomically would have

0:23:54.840 --> 0:23:57.359
<v Speaker 1>been the biggest things that have happened with the with

0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:00.680
<v Speaker 1>the tree removal that you've seen, you know, dat to day.

0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:05.520
<v Speaker 2>It's drastically helped our drainage issues and on some of

0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:08.879
<v Speaker 2>the holes and helped really the shade issues for the

0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:11.280
<v Speaker 2>most part on the greens. So we had a lot

0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:14.840
<v Speaker 2>of greens that had trees way over into the canopy

0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:17.480
<v Speaker 2>that most courses wouldn't even think about having. And so

0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:19.600
<v Speaker 2>we had some challenging spots on the greens and we've

0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:21.959
<v Speaker 2>removed most of the ones around the greens from an

0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:26.040
<v Speaker 2>economic standpoint, but down on the low holes, we had

0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:29.520
<v Speaker 2>a lot that was the roots were growing through drainage

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:32.119
<v Speaker 2>lines and everything from that standpoint, so we really opened

0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.439
<v Speaker 2>that up, helped drain the low holes. We've added some

0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.240
<v Speaker 2>a lot of drainage over the last ten years and

0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:41.240
<v Speaker 2>this course to help pump it off because most of

0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:44.080
<v Speaker 2>our fairways on the low holes are actually below lake

0:24:44.160 --> 0:24:46.600
<v Speaker 2>level and so we have a lot of challenges there

0:24:46.640 --> 0:24:49.760
<v Speaker 2>when the sea walkns sometimes come up over.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's got to be the hardest thing. I used

0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:56.359
<v Speaker 1>to work at a club that had flooding issues with

0:24:56.440 --> 0:25:01.000
<v Speaker 1>a river, and I you know, you sympathized with the

0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:04.240
<v Speaker 1>superintendent of the days that it came over. You know,

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:06.439
<v Speaker 1>in terms of what's been like the outside of the

0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:09.040
<v Speaker 1>tree removal, it would have been some other things that

0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 1>you've done that have really worked well that helped move

0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:14.280
<v Speaker 1>water off off the golf course.

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:18.639
<v Speaker 2>We've added some new pumping pumping stations around the course

0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 2>to pump the water back into the back into the lake.

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:28.400
<v Speaker 2>We've added about twenty thousand square feet of linear feed

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 2>of drainage throughout the golf course and a lot of

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:35.160
<v Speaker 2>those are French trains, but most of it is hooked

0:25:35.200 --> 0:25:38.320
<v Speaker 2>up to our drainage system. We have done a drainage

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:41.640
<v Speaker 2>master plan and we hope to start that to kind

0:25:41.640 --> 0:25:44.600
<v Speaker 2>of finalize the getting the water off the golf course.

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 2>We have a lot of places to take it, but

0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 2>sometimes we have the issues where if we get too

0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:52.960
<v Speaker 2>much rain the lake comes up over and so sometimes

0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:54.760
<v Speaker 2>that stuff doesn't do us any good.

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:57.720
<v Speaker 1>At that doesn't seem like that as an avoidable.

0:25:57.359 --> 0:26:00.159
<v Speaker 2>That's not available. You wouldn't be allowed to build the

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 2>golf course.

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 1>It can be able to raise the golf course.

0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 2>No, you wouldn't be able to build a golf course

0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 2>here nowadays with the wetland restrictions from Army Corps engineers

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:10.720
<v Speaker 2>and things like that. So it's it's what kind of

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:13.320
<v Speaker 2>makes it a special place. But they build this back

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 2>in the day, and virtually half the course could be

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:21.399
<v Speaker 2>deemed as a wetland if it wasn't already grandfathered in

0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:23.840
<v Speaker 2>as a golf course. So it's it's kind of a

0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 2>unique property where we half the other half the properties

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 2>up high and half the properties down low. So it's very,

0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:32.280
<v Speaker 2>very challenging to maintain.

0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, talk about that. I mean you've got like you've

0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 1>got the up the upholes which are in you know,

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:42.639
<v Speaker 1>kind of like roll along a high ridge with rolling

0:26:42.720 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 1>hills and it's sandy and uh. And then you've got

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the lower holes that are down at below in some

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:52.960
<v Speaker 1>cases you're the lake level, and you know, you've got

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:57.080
<v Speaker 1>two distinctly different almost like nine holes split. How do

0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:00.919
<v Speaker 1>you go about, like, how do difficult is it to

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:06.480
<v Speaker 1>manage properties that to effectively two different properties within one.

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot of times where we will be

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:13.120
<v Speaker 2>removing water off of the low holes with drainage pumps

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.960
<v Speaker 2>and while watering on the high holes. So it's it

0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 2>makes it incredibly difficult, and we have a lot of

0:27:19.040 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 2>different irrigation programs in our computer just specifically for that,

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:26.680
<v Speaker 2>because we have basically high hole watering and low hole

0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 2>watering and it's very, very different. So it's very not

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:34.119
<v Speaker 2>very common that we are watering both the holes at

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:36.000
<v Speaker 2>the same both low holes and high holes at the

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:39.480
<v Speaker 2>same time. And the we top dress all of the

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:42.160
<v Speaker 2>fairways on the low holes just to try and make

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:44.640
<v Speaker 2>those play as play as the high holes do.

0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:47.639
<v Speaker 1>Because the high holes are real bounce here, right.

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:51.439
<v Speaker 2>Real bouncy, very sandy property up there, straight sand all

0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:53.919
<v Speaker 2>the way down and on the low holes we have

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:58.119
<v Speaker 2>a very very high clay content and below that is

0:27:58.840 --> 0:28:01.879
<v Speaker 2>straight sand actually from back in the day. So if

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:04.639
<v Speaker 2>you go to about a foot or two down, then

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:07.400
<v Speaker 2>it's straight sand from then then on really, so it's

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 2>almost something where you if you ever wanted to flip

0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:11.720
<v Speaker 2>flop it, you could try and just flipop it, but

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 2>it would be a monstrosity of a project.

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 1>Is the sand uh is the lake of sand bottom micee?

0:28:19.280 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow?

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:23.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So so it's it's it's it's a very unique

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:25.320
<v Speaker 2>property from that standpoint.

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 1>Nobody would think South Bend sand site. Nope, but here

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:28.840
<v Speaker 1>we are.

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:33.679
<v Speaker 2>Here, we are Yes, the it the fair ways. With

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:35.440
<v Speaker 2>all the top racing we've been doing over the years,

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 2>are are starting to match up with the high holes

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 2>pretty pretty good.

0:28:38.880 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 1>So where do you get do you get the sand

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 1>from just on site? Do you dig a hole or something?

0:28:42.760 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Or we we have we have a top racing mix

0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 2>that that we that we matched up and uh, that

0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:49.240
<v Speaker 2>works well for.

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Those You're not like sand hills where they just go

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 1>dig a.

0:28:52.720 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Hole and no, it's not like that. When we topped

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 2>a scene Andrews, we took it from the beach. You

0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:59.280
<v Speaker 2>just just went over, rent over and we would dig

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:01.560
<v Speaker 2>a hole right at the beach and load up, load

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 2>up and go.

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:04.600
<v Speaker 1>That's it makes it your life a little bit easier,

0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 1>right yep. That's so how do you go about kind

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:14.560
<v Speaker 1>of pushing things that you wanted to do through? I

0:29:14.600 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 1>don't you guys don't have an architect right of record

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 1>like that that's on retainer per se. You've got a committee,

0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>you've got yourself. How does how does decision making go through?

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 1>What works?

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Well?

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 1>What's you know? Maybe one challenge of the setup you

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 1>guys have here.

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 2>I've had some really good boards over the years here

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 2>that have that have really been good. I've had one

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 2>green chairman uh my entire time here and he's been

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 2>he's been very receptive to making changes to the golf course,

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 2>doctor Jim Granger, and he's been He's been really good

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.600
<v Speaker 2>for me from seeing seeing the visual of what we

0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:57.160
<v Speaker 2>need in the future. The rest of the boards of

0:29:57.560 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 2>you know that they're always going to have their questions

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 2>on what we should do and want to do, and

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.840
<v Speaker 2>there's always debates. We had a membership meeting this year

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:09.640
<v Speaker 2>where we discussed removing more trees and what we need

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:13.200
<v Speaker 2>to do as a membership. But it all in all,

0:30:13.240 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 2>getting it approved has has gone pretty well. The only

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 2>hiccup we have right now is approving one of these

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 2>master plans to really go for We've had a master

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 2>plan done and some other ideas that we've been kicking around,

0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:30.800
<v Speaker 2>but everybody's under the same assumption that we really need

0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 2>to restore the golf course back to what George O'Neil

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 2>did here because it's a really great layout. Yeah.

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can tell the bones, you know, just from

0:30:40.160 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 1>like the greens and getting kind of the corners back,

0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:46.120
<v Speaker 1>and you know, obviously, like one of the tough things

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>that happens with all these courses, you know, is over

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 1>time the golf course, the memories, memberships or have get

0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:00.239
<v Speaker 1>locked into what the course was at that time of

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, the great shot, the great home one, or

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the great round I shot. You know, I was behind

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 1>this tree and I hid an unbelievable hook shot, and

0:31:07.760 --> 0:31:12.760
<v Speaker 1>those those memories become like sentimental moments that lock in,

0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 1>like we need to keep this tree, or we need

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 1>to keep the whole of the way it is, because

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.760
<v Speaker 1>this is the way it always was. But you know,

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:22.280
<v Speaker 1>in terms of your golf course, you look back, it's

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 1>like it's very clear where the great history was. It

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 1>was when it was hosting Western Opens in the forties

0:31:28.360 --> 0:31:31.320
<v Speaker 1>and and Western Ams, and you know, you look at

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:35.600
<v Speaker 1>the NTA Championships. You've got you know, Frank Stranahan one here,

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 1>one of the great amateurs of all time, Sandy Tatum

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 1>wanted an individual national championship here, that's the golf course,

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 1>and you've got a program with pictures that's the golf course.

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 1>That probably was the best iteration of South Bend Country Club.

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 1>But getting there when you're so far away from it

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>has got to be the big, big hurdle it is.

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:00.280
<v Speaker 2>We have a long way to go to get it there.

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>And yes, that was that was the best time of

0:32:02.960 --> 0:32:06.240
<v Speaker 2>this place. It was. The golf course was amazing. It

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 2>was one of the it is it's still one of

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 2>the top ones in the area. But it it can

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 2>go so much further by get taking it back to

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 2>that design. And it's just the removing the trees is

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 2>one of the first step. And and not necessarily all

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 2>the trees, but the trees that are in play that

0:32:23.200 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 2>are that are blocking those visuals and we really have

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 2>some bunkers we need to add and some some sight

0:32:29.760 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 2>lines and some mowing lines that are around the greens,

0:32:33.000 --> 0:32:34.960
<v Speaker 2>uh to bring it back, because the size of the

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 2>greens then, uh, and the shape of the greens then

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 2>where he had he had a lot of fingers that

0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 2>came out up towards the tops and top sides. And

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 2>they still they still have the same slope that they

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 2>have then. But the additions to those edges and the

0:32:50.920 --> 0:32:53.480
<v Speaker 2>perimeters of them where they mow right into the bunkers,

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 2>where you mowed right into the bunkers, that that's a

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:58.600
<v Speaker 2>special special thing that we could do. Yeah.

0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.720
<v Speaker 1>And you know when you go from the small like

0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:06.760
<v Speaker 1>the ovals, which I mean this is a majority of

0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 1>golf courses have this. You know, you go from you've

0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 1>got very sloping greens and small green green sections. Like

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, from your setup standpoint, you're very limited as

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 1>to where you can put pins. And the effective result is,

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:26.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, members play the almost the identical golf course

0:33:26.640 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 1>every day. You know, a pin might be five yards

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:32.200
<v Speaker 1>up or five yards back, but you know, you get

0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 1>some of these corners back the greens go back to

0:33:35.200 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 1>even if you're seventy percent, All of a sudden, you

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 1>add these new pins that might dictate you know, different

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 1>types of shots into greens that you need to hit,

0:33:43.160 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 1>or different thoughts because you get these these pins that

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 1>loom over bunkers as opposed to you know, kind of

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 1>five yards away from them.

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Yep. You know, the stuff that would bring into play

0:33:56.960 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 2>on these green complexes would be so foreign for most

0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 2>are members, and they would love it once we got

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 2>to that point, because there's a lot of when you

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.720
<v Speaker 2>look at the old old pictures and the old aerials,

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:09.720
<v Speaker 2>you can see how he funneled a lot of shots

0:34:09.719 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 2>onto the green from those edges and it was all

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of sloped, sloped in towards spots, and so it

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:18.279
<v Speaker 2>would open up a lot of great pin positions around here.

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:21.120
<v Speaker 2>And we are very limited at this standpoint where you

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 2>are your point essentially the same golf course every day.

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 2>And by by adding some of those some of those

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:29.840
<v Speaker 2>green complexes the way they need to be, it would

0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 2>it would really open up this golf course to just

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 2>make it even more special than it is.

0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:37.640
<v Speaker 1>It's something that I find interesting just with in general,

0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 1>with golfers as they become these creatures of have it

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:43.279
<v Speaker 1>and it's like they you join a club where you

0:34:43.320 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 1>play the same public course every day and you play

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 1>the exact same teas every time you play, and it

0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:50.759
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make any sense to me, Like why don't you

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:54.239
<v Speaker 1>change things up one day, play up here and back here.

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 1>And I think a lot of it has to do

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:59.280
<v Speaker 1>with the handicap system, like that's the thing that's ingrained.

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 1>It is, like I have to play here in order

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 1>to keep my score. But you know, I always dream

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<v Speaker 1>a big some sort of position at some golf course

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<v Speaker 1>where I could set up having back teas in front

0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:14.279
<v Speaker 1>of you know, middle tis some holes because I want

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 1>to see you know, the players that play back teas

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:20.359
<v Speaker 1>usually play up and see what they do. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that more variety is something that like, you know, you

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 1>play somewhere every day, but it would be like if

0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 1>you went to the same restaurant every day in order

0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 1>the exact same thing every time you went. What what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you want some differences, you gotta have. You

0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 2>gotta have differences when you're playing the same golf course

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 2>every day and you want to be able to you

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:45.400
<v Speaker 2>should be moving, moving teas around, t complexes around, and

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:47.760
<v Speaker 2>by doing what we would do do with the greens,

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<v Speaker 2>it would make it so much better and you could

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 2>have so many options where you wouldn't feel like you're

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:54.359
<v Speaker 2>playing the same golf course every day and you just

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 2>have all those options. And that's one of the reasons

0:35:57.200 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 2>why I love going playing different golf courses around the

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 2>country and the world, just because you see all these

0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:04.920
<v Speaker 2>different options that courses have and if you can bring

0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 2>some of those to your to your own golf course,

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:09.759
<v Speaker 2>it's it's made me a better superintendent.

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<v Speaker 1>So I hate the favorite courses question. And you know,

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 1>you travel, you play a lot of golf, but I'm

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 1>more interested in your favorite places, so it could it's

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily a favorite course. But let's just say like

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<v Speaker 1>three favorite places that you've visited, had a chance to play,

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 1>but like not necessarily all just hey, this golf course

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:35.360
<v Speaker 1>was the best, but just your favorite place.

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Andrew's is by far, by by far number one.

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<v Speaker 2>Just just the whole living in the town and playing

0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:46.759
<v Speaker 2>those golf courses all as one is just the experience

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:54.320
<v Speaker 2>is amazing. Second second is Cyprus Point, just out in Monterey,

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:57.560
<v Speaker 2>is just great. The everything about it, from the golf

0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 2>to the special golf architecture that's out there too, to

0:37:00.719 --> 0:37:03.640
<v Speaker 2>the views, and just just in general that area.

0:37:04.239 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm convinced, like the Cypress thing is like you just

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 1>can't have a bad day when you're out there.

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:14.239
<v Speaker 2>No, it doesn't matter how you play or anything. It's

0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 2>just a it's just a special place. Every everything about

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:22.880
<v Speaker 2>it is so special. Just walking around there is just amazing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>After that, Seminal to me is just everything about the

0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 2>experience there. The golf course is great. Everything about the

0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:35.800
<v Speaker 2>experience there and just walking those grounds is amazing. The property,

0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:38.480
<v Speaker 2>the property of the clubhouse, it's just it's just a

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 2>great place.

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<v Speaker 1>You picked three places with a lot of history. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and then what are a few places that you are

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:49.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of dying to see that you haven't gotten to yet.

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 2>A couple of places I'm dying to see. Boy, there's

0:37:55.560 --> 0:37:58.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot. I really want to go to. The country Club.

0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 2>I'd really like to see see the country club.

0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Out in Masskline Bookline.

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 2>I just feel like that's a really special place with

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of history that I that I that I

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:14.680
<v Speaker 2>like to go to. Another one that's uh that I've

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:16.759
<v Speaker 2>always always wanted to get to and just never been

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 2>able to get there is Marion. I feel like that's

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.240
<v Speaker 2>that's another special place. Both both out on the East coast.

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Those are two great golf courses, and I think they

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:29.399
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of special history with them. I love

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:32.320
<v Speaker 2>looking into history and things that have happened at golf courses.

0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:34.879
<v Speaker 2>That's just that's that's neat to me. Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So last question is is Notre Dame gonna make the

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<v Speaker 1>playoff this year?

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:41.640
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna make the playoff this year? I feel very kind.

0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Are they gonna, you know, put together a decent performance

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:45.840
<v Speaker 1>in the playoffs?

0:38:45.840 --> 0:38:47.839
<v Speaker 2>Though? Yes, I think I think they're I think they're

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.319
<v Speaker 2>learning as they're going. We've had some really had some

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:53.719
<v Speaker 2>really bad ones, and I think they're I think they're

0:38:53.800 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 2>learning what they need to do to get into that playoff.

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:58.919
<v Speaker 2>And they have a really good recruiting set up this year.

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:00.800
<v Speaker 2>So yes, I think they're gonna be in the playoff

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:03.040
<v Speaker 2>and they will perform this week this year as well.

0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:04.879
<v Speaker 1>You know a lot of people are calling for them

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 1>to just be banned from it.

0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I could see that from the outside looking at I

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.760
<v Speaker 2>could see how nobody would want them in the playoff

0:39:12.840 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 2>because they do. They take a different road to get there,

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 2>and there's a lot of people that want them, want

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.520
<v Speaker 2>them in a conference just to solidify that. And you know,

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 2>if they were going to be in a conference, it

0:39:24.200 --> 0:39:26.439
<v Speaker 2>would probably it would it would be the ACC because

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:28.000
<v Speaker 2>that's where they have their ties to.

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 1>It should be in the Big ten.

0:39:29.360 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 2>They should be in the Big ten based on location and.

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:33.839
<v Speaker 1>And and academic stand.

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 2>And academic standards as well.

0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 1>The UH it would be they don't want to they

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:41.560
<v Speaker 1>don't want to run up against Ohio State.

0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:43.799
<v Speaker 2>I guess that's that that could be the fact. But

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:46.959
<v Speaker 2>you know, right now we have Clempson in ACC, then

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.720
<v Speaker 2>we're not playing them every year because it's a modified schedule.

0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's hard for them from a standpoint

0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 2>to not play Navy and to not play some of

0:39:56.160 --> 0:40:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the Boston College and uh Purdue Michigan, say, some of

0:40:00.480 --> 0:40:03.000
<v Speaker 2>those some of those rivalries Michigan. It's hard for them

0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 2>not to play someone's driving. So they like the modified

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:06.040
<v Speaker 2>schedule where they play.

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:07.879
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's why they got to join the Big Ten.

0:40:07.960 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>They don't lose those games.

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:11.880
<v Speaker 2>We're adding Wisconsin this year, so we have Wisconsin a

0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 2>home and home, Soldier Field and Green and lambeau Field,

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:18.399
<v Speaker 2>so that'll be, uh, that'll be interesting to play start

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:21.479
<v Speaker 2>playing them because in Ohio state, I think we start

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:24.359
<v Speaker 2>playing them in twenty twenty eight. So they're they're they're

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:26.879
<v Speaker 2>trying to bring a tougher schedule in trying to play

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 2>some SEC C SEC teams and some Big ten and Accy.

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<v Speaker 1>Might be in the SCC before you.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what that's what it's looking like. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>they have a good chance of getting there this year though,

0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 2>and they'll I think they'll perform this year.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, Nick, it's been a pleasure and UH

0:40:43.680 --> 0:40:46.719
<v Speaker 1>look forward to uh seeing what what the Irish do

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:50.839
<v Speaker 1>and then seeing South Bend Age as it as it

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 1>enters it's next iteration of its life.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, appreciate it. Thanks for having me.

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