WEBVTT - Call-In Ep w/ George and Sam 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.439 Boody who. This is George with a very special announcement. 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:22.160 First of all, my debut stand up comedy special is 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:26.040 coming out officially on December second. It will be available 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:28.840 to rent or purchase on Amazon and Apple and various 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:31.560 other websites. But that is not what I'm here to announce, 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.800 because it is not available yet. I am merely saying 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:37.479 that because I wanted to tell everyone that I am 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:42.879 having a big special release show at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn, 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.840 New York on December third. That is the day after 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:50.199 the special comes out, So come to the Bellhouse, come celebrate. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:51.760 It will be a big show. It'll be like a 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.000 George and Friends style show with some extra special guests 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.320 and surprises. And if you buy tickets now then you 0:00:58.320 --> 0:01:00.080 won't have to buy them later when I announced the 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:06.040 lineup publicly, so you heard it here. First, Bellhouse, December third, 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:10.200 Special Release Georgian Friends show. And then the second thing 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.600 is that Sam and I are doing a sort of 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:19.240 last minute kind of industry adjacent show, a special edition 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:23.000 Stradio Lab Live at on Air Fest in Los Angeles 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:26.720 on November eleventh. It is a podcast festival and there 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:30.280 are a few tickets set aside for sort of the 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:34.360 ga general admission crowd. If you don't professionally work in podcasting, 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:39.440 you can still see us do our thing. So in conclusion, 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.680 come to my special release show at the Bellhouse in 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:46.320 Brooklyn on December third, and if you're in LA come 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:50.000 see us at on AirFest on November eleventh. The tickets 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:52.920 for that are on the Bellhouse website, on my link 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.080 tree on the Stradia lablink tree. Honey, if you look 0:01:56.120 --> 0:02:00.760 for them, y'all find them. Enjoy The showcast starts now. 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.560 Hello all, we are coming at you bi coastally once again. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:10.200 Our New York records have officially ended. We did six 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:11.960 weeks of New York recordings. 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:16.080 We did six weeks of New York recordings. And now 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.440 you know, also, I have to say those recordings were 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:21.960 recorded during such an optimistic time. We were both in 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.560 such good moods. We were frolicking around various food trucks 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.680 in the Dumbo, Brooklyn area. It was pretty much still 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:33.040 summer in the sense that it was, you know, September. Yeah, 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:37.120 and now I am first of all, let's get this 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:40.720 out of the way. I'm sick. It's okay, you don't 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:44.080 have semi flowers, but it is what it is. I 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:47.560 have what is known in the medical community as brain fog. 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.040 It is absolutely kicking my ass. I'm taking fifteen minutes 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:53.640 to complete one sentence. So that's one thing. Drop that down. 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:58.200 Second thing. It is a gloomy New York day. I 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.600 would say the light that is reflected on my face 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:02.239 is the color gray. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.720 I have to say. I still follow like a New 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:11.040 York weather account, and it like every day like says 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.040 like ten out of ten, like Sonny and seventy five, 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.519 and today it was like two out of ten. Torrential downpours, 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:22.520 miserable energy, avoid at all costs, And I was like, 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:24.960 I really want to come back to New York and 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.600 I really forget, Like I'm like scared for that moment 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.600 when you're like, damn, today is just miserable. There's no 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:32.359 way around it. 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:37.880 You know what though it is, however, there is something 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:44.320 so almost there's this sort of joy and the self 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:48.720 flagellation of just being like I can't do anything. I'm 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:53.120 basically Sylvia Plath, and I'm gonna sit here and just 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:57.000 sort of sink deeper and deeper into my couch and 0:03:57.120 --> 0:04:00.240 just be depressed doing emails I'm gonna make tea, but 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:02.440 then forget the tea bag and the tea thing and 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:04.720 then have one sip and be like this is absolutely disgusting, 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:06.280 and then throw it out and be like, you know 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.240 what I should get into tea? Finally, I can't keep 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.080 only drinking tea that's from the grocery store. But it's like, 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.840 that is such a high bar to entry. So then 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.000 of course you start googling tea. Next thing, you know, 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:18.920 you have seventeen tabs open, and you're like, I wonder 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:20.440 what my ex is up to, and then you go 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:22.599 on his Instagram, et cetera, et cetera. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.840 No, I think, what's so at least in New York 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.359 when you're when it's cloudy slash rainy and you're in 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:30.320 a bad mood, and you're like, well, of course I'm 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.960 gonna mood bad moods cloudy slash rainy today. I'm let's 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:37.160 let's be upfront. I'm in a horrible mood for seemingly. 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.599 I guess the reason is because I slept badly and 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:44.279 it's sunny and about eighty five degrees outside. I simply 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.880 have no excuse. I was mad that it was too sunny. 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:49.760 I was mad that it was nice out, and I'm like, 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:52.520 now this has to stop. You can't. The way that 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:56.720 La is turning me against sunny summary weather is shocking. 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.159 I used to because because yes, well exactly, because what 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:04.160 Ela does is infuse sunny summary weather with a sort 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:09.760 of like grim film noir element. It's like, it's like 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:12.360 did you It's very like David Lynch, It's like, did 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.800 you know that actually when it's sunny, that's because there's 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.240 darkness in the world and this is hiding it. 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.000 Yeah, it's really really bleak. 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.120 And I'm glad you mentioned being in a bad mood 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.040 because we are honestly both in pretty terrible moods today. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.240 And I'm feeling that there's a there's a part of 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:33.320 me that wants to address each of our bad moods 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:35.240 or for me to be like what's wrong, Like is 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.039 everything okay? Blah blah blah. But I'm kind of like, 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.800 put your own mask on first. I'm literally like I 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:43.679 can't think of anyone else's bad mood except except my own. 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.719 Well, and I just want to add to what's going 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.440 on with me? Is this so this will come out 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:51.760 after Halloween so I can say this now and it 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:53.760 won't be a spoiler, which why are to be a spoiler? 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.960 Who do I think I am? But for Halloween, Misha 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.839 and I've decided. First we were like, we're gonna be 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:03.200 Ham and Mitch. How funny. I bought a red wig, 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.360 I got red dye from my and I'm growing my beard. 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:13.320 Misha's got like a contrast cuff flowed shirt. Oh yeah, 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.400 and so we're like, okay, that's so fun. And then 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:18.000 we put the costumes on roughly and I was like, wait, 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:19.320 I kind of just like a normal guy in a 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.520 red wig, of course. And then it's like, okay, wait. 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:24.080 We were talking to some people and they were like, 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.800 what if you're sexy Camon Mitch? And I'm like, now 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:29.520 that's funny. And so I was like, okay, so it's 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.760 the same costume but like with like soft garters on 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.400 and like maybe like playing boxers on. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:37.280 It's really good, but. 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.760 Still like sweater and like v nex sweater and collared 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.800 shirt up top for me. And but then I've been 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.920 on various websites all morning. I can't find st Garters 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.440 for the life of me. They they they don't have, 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.720 like there are none in Los Angeles that I can 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:58.400 find and Amazon sorry is not delivering until Saturday. 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.560 You know. This is of course when those things where 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:02.760 my instinct is to google it and think I'm gonna 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.839 find it in two seconds, and it's like, no, you're smart, 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.360 you've tried. You've tried what I'm about to try. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:10.880 It's I mean, there is like I could like look 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.640 up like men's suiting stores and like call them and 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:16.280 be like do you have these? But it feels like 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.800 such a niche product at this point, or like even 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.000 like I'm like sex stores, Like I'm like, has it 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.920 just gone into full kink wear where like the sock 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:24.920 garter for men? 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.200 But I don't you think so. I mean, I understand 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.080 the desire for a sock garter, but there are other 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:31.920 ways to make a costume sexy, Like I think if 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.720 you can't find one, you will find other ways to 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.440 pull off the iconic costume sexy. 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.880 Cam and Mitch, of course, it's just a SoC guard 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:41.920 would really sell it. 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:45.160 Yeah, are you gonna have a lily? 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:46.280 No? 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.680 Because we wanted to have like, you know, we're going 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:50.440 to a house party first, so we were like, oh, 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:52.600 we should like bring a bottle of something wrapped up 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:55.080 in a baby blanket. But then we were worried that 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.200 people would like, if we posted a picture of us 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:59.560 as Cam and Mitch with a baby, they would think 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.240 it was a baby innouncement, right I do. 0:08:03.360 --> 0:08:05.400 I don't know if that many people would think that, 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.440 but I respect it. I was more thinking that you 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.920 were worried that like libs of TikTok would pick it 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.240 up and then it would be like, look, these these 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.960 gays think that having a child is kink. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.000 Yeah, no, that's true. I mean, you're right, and I 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:21.200 should let go of the salt garter, but I really 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:23.360 committed to it in my mind. 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.320 Yeah, no, I get it, and it is the perfect 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.320 way to make It's the perfect way for something to 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:35.000 be kinky while also gesturing at preppy dad, which is 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.199 basically what you're trying to do with them with your 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:43.280 Mitch costume. Yeah that's really good though, and I mean 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:47.040 Mitch is a little more challenging. But Cam, if you 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:51.160 have one of those contrast cuff shirts, it's like so 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.319 immediately clear what you're being. 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:57.520 I was honestly like jealous that got to be Cam, 0:08:57.600 --> 0:08:59.800 and then I was like, we're both Cam, and then 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:01.679 I like no one of us has to be match. 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:03.839 It would be really funny if you. 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:09.679 Were nine of one thousand cams. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:16.240 So basically, this is a call an episode, and we 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.280 are having disagreements about which calls to. 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:19.720 Take, huge disagreements. 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:21.800 Huge disagreements to the point where I was actually like, 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:24.080 we have to start recording otherwise we'll get into a fight. 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.400 And it's kind of this ever happens to us. 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:30.680 I know it was a real I mean, I think 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.000 this has to do with both of us are not 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.719 feeling great and are sleep deprived. I'm not going to 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.280 get into it, but when you mentioned sleep problems, I 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.240 wanted to also talk about how I've been having insane insomnia. 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:45.160 Like last night, I watched after we had watched TV 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.960 and went to bed by myself. I watched five episodes 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.520 of thirty Rock just in bed in the dark, like 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:55.000 with my laptop there, which usually would put me to sleep, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.800 and I was just eyes wide open, staring into my screen. 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.440 And this has not been happening for like a week. 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.000 I'm just like being up until four am, not being 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.960 able to fall asleep, and I think it's stress related 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:13.400 and and I don't know. Also the like travel over 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:17.679 the summer didn't help, but I'm I'm so tired. 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.360 Yeah, so. 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:26.320 We I'm gonna I like the idea of sort of 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.400 reading through we have. We get so many calls and 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.680 I want everyone to know that there are I put them. 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.000 We put them all in a spreadsheet. Then we like, 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.600 based on our whims that day, we highlight them that 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:40.520 we think are good. That we end up doing whatever 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.240 we feel like in the moment. There are questions that 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:45.839 keep getting asked over and over again, and we are 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:47.560 not sure if we've ever answered them. 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:48.560 We are. 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:50.640 It also depends on our mood. Sometimes we want to 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.800 do more advicey questions. Sometimes we want to do pop 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:56.360 culture questions. Sometimes we want to do more like conceptual questions. 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:58.360 What are the ones that we're sticking out to you? 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.559 I wonder I was preferring the ones that were sort 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:04.800 of like either like very open ended pop culture. I 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.600 think I don't like when it feels like a quiz. Yeah, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.560 And I also don't like when I feel like I 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:13.120 have to like speak from huge authority, because sometimes say 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.960 I find that to be like, I'm yeah, but I 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.920 was liking the open ended pop culture ones, which just like, 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:22.000 what are your thoughts? On this, and I was also 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:28.840 liking sort of the like maybe options, like I have 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:31.319 I have a choice. I can either do this or this, 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.719 Which should I do? Like that was really speaking to 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:39.440 me because I was like, it feels easiest, not that 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:42.680 not that it's all about ease. I'm just sort of 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:45.439 like that was what was speaking to me. We was 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:46.000 speaking to you. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.280 So here's what I think. Maybe this is a crutch 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.240 I'm falling on, but I think people generally like recommendation culture. 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:56.160 Right now, I have mixed feelings about how every single 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.000 thing now is like so and so is five favorite 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:01.920 skin care product, so and so is five favorite movies, 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.400 things you can't live without, Like that like questionnaire that 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:09.959 people do on Instagram that's like things things Amanda Seifried 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:13.480 loves and things Amanda Siphreid hates, uh huh, or like 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.880 the perfectly imperfect newsletter where it's like all people recommending 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.080 things and you have to do two things that are 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.400 specific and then one thing that's like the feeling after 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:23.520 a rain when you have a burger, and you have 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.040 to like be just of Carrie Bradshaw enough about it 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:31.680 and be like like things you don't like compulsory child 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.920 are airing or whatever, and I and I think that 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:41.360 adds enough structure. Like, for example, we got a question 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:45.520 that was like, what is the last truly perfect movie 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:47.520 you watched? And I was like, Oh, that's fun because 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:49.960 I can It's limiting enough that I can go back 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:51.839 through the movies I watched recently and just like pick 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.000 a few. And then you were like, why would anyone 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:55.520 want to listen to me talk about how I thought 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:57.760 one battle after another is good? Everyone think it's good. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.199 Well, I was like, I'm not like reinventing the wheel here, 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.520 Like I was kind of like you could like to me, 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.440 and all respects to that caller, but I was like 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:09.880 the perfect what I think is the perfect movie that 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:10.560 I watched? 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:12.559 Like a perfect movie. 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.200 To me? I was like, like, it's I also think 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.160 I'm sort of like maybe I don't believe in I 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.640 think for some reason, the phrasing of the question of 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.640 like what is a perfect movie you watched is like 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:27.560 stressing me out because it invites like people to be 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.199 like you thought that was perfect? 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.000 Like don't you love just recklessly having an opinion? 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:36.480 And maybe part of it is like I don't think 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:40.679 I've ever thought any movie was perfect, like like it's 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:43.720 a wonderful life maybe, but I bet you could trim 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:48.920 a couple of mens, like like, I'm just sort of 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:50.280 like nothing's perfect. 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:55.720 No, that's tea I was. I recently randomly watched Invasion 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:57.880 of the Body Snatchers for the first time, the one 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:02.800 with like Donald Sutherland, and I guess I would say 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:04.800 I had low expectations, but I was like, this is 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:07.160 someone else, you know, Matthew put it on. I was like, 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:08.400 all right, I guess we'll watch it. And then by 0:14:08.440 --> 0:14:11.040 the end, I was like having such a good time 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.560 and it was like so simple and not trying to 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.880 have like a million twists and turns and like really 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:22.440 well shot in this sort of fun seventies like paranoia way. 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:24.520 And I also recently watched in the Mood for Love 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.560 for the first time, and so those were gonna be 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.120 my two sorry, not interesting, and then the other and 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:35.280 then wait, so you you were drawn to? You were 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:38.840 drawn to for example, what celeb or what popstar right 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.720 now has the gay men, gay women and straight women 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:43.480 in a choke hold? 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:46.520 Well? And I thought the call behind that was very 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.000 smart when I read through it, a bit like. 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.440 Well, let's maybe do how about we do our first 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.360 how about we do our first call and start there 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:56.800 and then get the wheels turn in. 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.680 Okay, Okay, I sayim and George. My name is Casey. 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:03.920 I'm calling from Massachusetts. My husband and I went to 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:05.040 your Summerville show. 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:07.040 We loved it. 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.760 He was really not too familiar with your work until then, 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:13.040 but he laughed the whole time, and I'll just say 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:14.960 he was particularly charmed by Sam. 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.040 My question for you is interesting. 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.920 This is a Lily Allen breakup album happening right now. 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:28.000 It's amazing, incredible. What was your perception of their relationship 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:33.680 pre breakup and now with this album post breakup? Did 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.760 you I'm curious what the gay community thought, particularly of 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.920 David Harbor during his height of like people loving this 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.520 sad dad thing and now knowing what we know now, 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.480 have things changed at all? Thanks for your thoughts and 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:49.440 your amazing. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:53.080 Podcast by well, what can you say? Straight guys love me? 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:58.440 It was such an interesting choice to include in a 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.040 call that you know that had it all. It was complimentary. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:04.400 You're building up to a great relevant question to want 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.360 to immediately create a rift between us by saying your 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.160 straight husband liked Sam Moore. 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:14.000 I mean this is there is a toxic desire among 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.000 all to pit gay podcasters against each other. 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.400 It's so the phrasing of and I'll. 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.480 Just say, don't just say, don't say he was. 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:25.520 Especially charmed by Sam. Why would you just say that? 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:26.480 Why would you say that? 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:31.880 Someone recently commented on a on one of our clips 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:35.680 with Adam Friedlanden was like, it's my duty to say. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:39.280 I was like, no, it's not. Shut the hell up, 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:45.080 shut up, Go okay, what do you to? Obviously, David 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:48.960 Harbor is so comically your type that it is even 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:50.960 a cliche to bring him up. 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:54.800 So David Harper is a huge sex symbol in the 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.680 Barrack community. It is not just me, of course, that 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:00.600 finds him hot. It is anyone who finds Bear. He's 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:06.359 like on Bear fan pages constantly, and it's like very 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.160 interesting for the Bears. I don't think this is gonna 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:12.159 make a splash. I think everyone will still want to 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:16.000 have sex with him. For the general public, I'm interested 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:20.800 in how you feel, George about will people like turn 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:21.560 on him? 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:26.760 You know, I am so confused about where we are 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:32.400 as a like mainstream, sort of straight leaning culture on 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.879 men and women right now. And I'm saying that in 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:40.760 complete earnestness, like there is I believe this very kind 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:47.040 of predictable but grim backlash against it started out as 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:50.120 being a backlash against quote unquote girl boss culture, which 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.640 I hate to use a word that has never literally 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:55.800 meant anything. Literally. It is something that from the beginning 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.520 was a punch line that the book girl Boss by 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.080 Sophia Marusso came out and immediately was a punchline. This 0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:05.119 idea that we have in retrospect that at one point 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.440 we were in the girl Boss era and now we're 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:11.200 not is stupid and only people who write for digital 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.600 media believe it, So wake the fuck up and be 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.200 an adult. So anyway, first it started as a backlash 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.920 against girl boss culture, which is in its own way 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:24.560 completely like veiled misogyny and sexism. Then it became a 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.520 backlash in an even more dark way against like me too, 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:31.440 because of course like people were like very confused how 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:34.560 to act, and so then you know, you suddenly had 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.560 like the random Babe dot net article about Azaz, which 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.280 everyone felt weird about blah, and so then every the 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.919 water's got muddied so much that basically anytime, anytime a 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.240 woman speaks now she sort of is like not quite trusted. 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:48.080 Would you agree? 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:50.919 I would agree. I think we're in a really complicated spot. 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:57.239 And this particular drama is interesting too because it's like 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.040 both new and old. Yes, it's like sort of a 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:05.440 cheating scandal, which is classic vintage. She's not necessarily saying 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.679 like he abused me. She's saying like he was like 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:12.480 a horrible partner and we've had a miserable couple of years, 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.000 and that makes it old. But then it's new because 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.480 it's like, well, we were open, so it wasn't like 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.240 fully illegal, and like it was just like he broke 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:21.880 the rules of our open agreement. 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:26.320 Yeah. So there's something very very now about it. Yeah, 0:19:26.359 --> 0:19:29.920 and there's also something very sorry, aging millennial about it. 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:33.360 Like it is so Lily Allen is such a classic 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:37.520 millennial voice, and you know, I hate to talk about generations. Yeah, 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.159 but you just have to, like she is. She is 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.960 someone who could only be the exact age she is. 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:44.680 Yeah, for sure. 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.480 So when we were talking about like the status of 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:51.680 Data Harbor, I'm like, I don't think the quote unquote 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:57.160 cancelation of a man has the same uh weight that 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:01.879 it did in like twenty eighteen, twenty nine. Yeah, but 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.439 at the same time, this album is clearly making a 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:10.080 big impact. Yeah, but in my world, I'm seeing it 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:12.600 more as like you go girl, Lily Allen, than like 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:14.080 David Harbor is an asshole. 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:15.680 Yeah, I think it's you go girl. 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.639 It's like it's almost beside the point who he is. 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.960 Yeah, it's like interesting. It adds a level of intrigue 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:24.800 that it's someone famous that we all can just like 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.440 recognize instantly. But it's not. It doesn't it's not the 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:31.240 whole story. It is more like you did that thing, 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.600 you got out of there, and your body looks amazing. 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:38.640 I do feel like that's we're not talking about that. That 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:40.520 that's part of the album. Roll out is like her 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.560 being like and also, look at how my body looks amazing. 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:47.119 No. Yes, she's almost leaning into this sort of imperfect 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.000 victim narrative in a way that I actually find kind 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:54.880 of fun because Lilyana Lily Allen is an insane. 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:55.920 Person, always has been. 0:20:56.000 --> 0:21:01.120 Lily Allen is not like some innocent, you know wifey 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:04.880 who like was so optimistic about this relationship and she's 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.239 always been looking for love and then she got her 0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.080 heart broken like Lily Allen is a psycho. 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:10.480 Yeah, she's a bad girl. 0:21:10.880 --> 0:21:13.240 She is a bad girl. She's a psycho. She's done 0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:16.679 insane things in the past. She I would say, like 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:19.600 partially owns it. Like I think, for example, she she's 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:21.399