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Speaker 1: Boody who. This is George with a very special announcement.

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Speaker 1: First of all, my debut stand up comedy special is

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Speaker 1: coming out officially on December second. It will be available

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Speaker 1: to rent or purchase on Amazon and Apple and various

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Speaker 1: other websites. But that is not what I'm here to announce,

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Speaker 1: because it is not available yet. I am merely saying

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Speaker 1: that because I wanted to tell everyone that I am

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Speaker 1: having a big special release show at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn,

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Speaker 1: New York on December third. That is the day after

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Speaker 1: the special comes out, So come to the Bellhouse, come celebrate.

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Speaker 1: It will be a big show. It'll be like a

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Speaker 1: George and Friends style show with some extra special guests

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Speaker 1: and surprises. And if you buy tickets now then you

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Speaker 1: won't have to buy them later when I announced the

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Speaker 1: lineup publicly, so you heard it here. First, Bellhouse, December third,

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Speaker 1: Special Release Georgian Friends show. And then the second thing

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Speaker 1: is that Sam and I are doing a sort of

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Speaker 1: last minute kind of industry adjacent show, a special edition

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Speaker 1: Stradio Lab Live at on Air Fest in Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: on November eleventh. It is a podcast festival and there

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Speaker 1: are a few tickets set aside for sort of the

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Speaker 1: ga general admission crowd. If you don't professionally work in podcasting,

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Speaker 1: you can still see us do our thing. So in conclusion,

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Speaker 1: come to my special release show at the Bellhouse in

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn on December third, and if you're in LA come

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Speaker 1: see us at on AirFest on November eleventh. The tickets

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Speaker 1: for that are on the Bellhouse website, on my link

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Speaker 1: tree on the Stradia lablink tree. Honey, if you look

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Speaker 1: for them, y'all find them. Enjoy The showcast starts now.

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Speaker 2: Hello all, we are coming at you bi coastally once again.

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Speaker 2: Our New York records have officially ended. We did six

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Speaker 2: weeks of New York recordings.

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Speaker 1: We did six weeks of New York recordings. And now

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Speaker 1: you know, also, I have to say those recordings were

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Speaker 1: recorded during such an optimistic time. We were both in

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Speaker 1: such good moods. We were frolicking around various food trucks

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Speaker 1: in the Dumbo, Brooklyn area. It was pretty much still

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Speaker 1: summer in the sense that it was, you know, September. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and now I am first of all, let's get this

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Speaker 1: have semi flowers, but it is what it is. I

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Speaker 1: have what is known in the medical community as brain fog.

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Speaker 1: It is absolutely kicking my ass. I'm taking fifteen minutes

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Speaker 1: to complete one sentence. So that's one thing. Drop that down.

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Speaker 1: Second thing. It is a gloomy New York day. I

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Speaker 1: would say the light that is reflected on my face

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Speaker 2: I have to say. I still follow like a New

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Speaker 2: York weather account, and it like every day like says

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Speaker 2: like ten out of ten, like Sonny and seventy five,

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Speaker 2: and today it was like two out of ten. Torrential downpours,

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Speaker 2: miserable energy, avoid at all costs, And I was like,

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Speaker 2: I really forget, Like I'm like scared for that moment

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Speaker 2: when you're like, damn, today is just miserable. There's no

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Speaker 1: You know what though it is, however, there is something

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Speaker 1: basically Sylvia Plath, and I'm gonna sit here and just

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Speaker 1: what I should get into tea? Finally, I can't keep

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Speaker 1: only drinking tea that's from the grocery store. But it's like,

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Speaker 1: of course you start googling tea. Next thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: on his Instagram, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: No, I think, what's so at least in New York

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Speaker 2: when you're when it's cloudy slash rainy and you're in

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Speaker 2: let's be upfront. I'm in a horrible mood for seemingly.

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Speaker 2: it's sunny and about eighty five degrees outside. I simply

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Speaker 2: La is turning me against sunny summary weather is shocking.

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Speaker 1: And I'm glad you mentioned being in a bad mood

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Speaker 1: because we are honestly both in pretty terrible moods today.

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Speaker 1: And I'm feeling that there's a there's a part of

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Speaker 1: or for me to be like what's wrong, Like is

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Speaker 2: Well, and I just want to add to what's going

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Speaker 2: Who do I think I am? But for Halloween, Misha

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Speaker 2: and I've decided. First we were like, we're gonna be

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Speaker 2: Ham and Mitch. How funny. I bought a red wig,

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Speaker 2: Misha's got like a contrast cuff flowed shirt. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: We were talking to some people and they were like,

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Speaker 2: that's funny. And so I was like, okay, so it's

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Speaker 1: You know. This is of course when those things where

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Speaker 2: like I'm like sex stores, Like I'm like, has it

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Speaker 1: But I don't you think so. I mean, I understand

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Speaker 2: Cam and Mitch, of course, it's just a SoC guard

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Speaker 1: Yeah, are you gonna have a lily?

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Speaker 2: Because we wanted to have like, you know, we're going

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that many people would think that,

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Speaker 2: Were nine of one thousand cams.

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Speaker 1: So basically, this is a call an episode, and we

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Speaker 1: We I'm gonna I like the idea of sort of

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Speaker 1: reading through we have. We get so many calls and

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Speaker 1: I want everyone to know that there are I put them.

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Speaker 1: We put them all in a spreadsheet. Then we like,

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Speaker 1: based on our whims that day, we highlight them that

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Speaker 4: We are.

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Speaker 1: It also depends on our mood. Sometimes we want to

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Speaker 1: do more advicey questions. Sometimes we want to do pop

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Speaker 1: culture questions. Sometimes we want to do more like conceptual questions.

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Speaker 1: What are the ones that we're sticking out to you?

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Speaker 1: know that it has a narrative arc to some extent,

436
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: but honestly, it's mostly that every song is about the

437
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: same thing. And you know what, it almost feels like

438
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: it almost feels like being waterboarded with like pornography. Like

439
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: it reminded me of the Goonerer article where it was like, yes,

440
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: like in small doses, it's like really cathartic to listen

441
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: to Lily Allen like say, like, fuck this guy and

442
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: he did this to me, and he did this to me.

443
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 1: But to listen to that for like fifteen songs straight

444
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: sort of makes you want to do something else.

445
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it can feel a little. It's it's just

446
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: so confessional that I'm sort of like you like you

447
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 2: let like a recording studio here, you do.

448
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 1: This right, And I sort of respect that she is

449
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: not she's kind of avoid Well I haven't listened to

450
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: the final songs that many times to remember, but I

451
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: don't think she's sort of avoiding like a catharsist at

452
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 1: the end, or like an empowerment narrative, right, Like, it's

453
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: really just like you're an asshole, You're an asshole, You're

454
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: an asshole, You're an asshole the end. Yeah, which I

455
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: do respect, like totally. Something like something like Lemonade, while

456
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 1: being more artful, is also more calculated and can feel

457
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: too overwritten, Yeah, whereas this one really does feel like

458
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: she just like put it all out there.

459
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I respect that I respect to an extent.

460
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. So final thoughts on David Harbor. You know we

461
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: would both still have sex with him probably.

462
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, send nudes David Harbor. I will do whatever you want.

463
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: And Lily Allen, it's like, you know, if nothing else,

464
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, good for you for still getting lips of flappen.

465
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: I fully agree.

466
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like you know, I I obviously I'm

467
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: holding you at arm's length and I would never want

468
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: to be your close personal friend because I know you

469
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: would ultimately betray me and then potentially post screenshots of

470
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: our texts. But that said, you know you are kind

471
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: of one of the og And I love Lily Allen

472
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: when I was a teen, and as much as I

473
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: am being a little mean to her, I get defensive

474
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 1: if someone else is mean to her.

475
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: Of course you've earned it.

476
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 1: Like she's she's kind of a legend.

477
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah she is.

478
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: And I didn't know people cared so much about her.

479
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: I was like, she's one of those people to me

480
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: that I'm like, isn't it weird that I listened to

481
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 1: Lily Allen when I was like seventeen, I am not

482
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: seventeen whatever, fourteen.

483
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 2: It's it's one of those things where I'm also surprised

484
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 2: that everyone knows her, but I celebrate it.

485
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 3: You Sam and George love.

486
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: You girls, Love you down.

487
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 3: Okay, my question is for stand up comedians, which you.

488
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 1: Guys are Clockett.

489
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 2: We're at like.

490
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: A really intimate venue or any venue, I guess, and

491
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 3: you're performing in front of someone that is just like

492
00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 3: so hot and sexy, and you're like you want to

493
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: maybe fuck them? Does it like improve your performance or

494
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 3: do you And yeah, I'm just curious what it's like

495
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: behind the scenes.

496
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: All right, love you, love you too. I try to

497
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 2: remain professional for the most part, but it does distract me.

498
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 2: I will say I do notice, like if there's someone

499
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: like you know, a lot of venues, it depends on

500
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: the lighting. Sometimes you can see the audience very clearly,

501
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 2: and sometimes you can't see them at all. And when

502
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 2: you can see someone who's like very hot and you're

503
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: there's like I'm like, so, what's your deal? Like there's

504
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: there's a part of me it's like, what's your deal?

505
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: And I know, like you know, it's I know, nothing

506
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 2: can happen. You know, I'm on stage and they're in

507
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: the audience. That's like a barrier that can't.

508
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: Be right, Like that going through your head. You're like, okay,

509
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: like we could hook up now wait no, I'm on stage.

510
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: Fuck, But I'm like there's something but I do have

511
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: I have one story George about this where one time

512
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: I was doing like my very first like solo show

513
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: at the Annoyance Leader in Brooklyn, New York. And it

514
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 2: was like a mixture of characters and stand up and

515
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 2: I did a character then right at the beginning and

516
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: I where I talked to an audience member, I picked

517
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: an audience member and there was a hot person there

518
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: who you know, I think I told you the story

519
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: and I'll say, yes, you have you have yeah, okay,

520
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 2: and I called on him and he immediately was like

521
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: mad at me, like right at the start, mad at me.

522
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: And I was like, damn, I shouldn't have called on

523
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: the one person that I found hot. And it was

524
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 2: like the first bit in the show, and it did

525
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 2: kind of ruin it slightly.

526
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: I actually think that's very you because you like giving

527
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: yourself a challenge, ah, like, because you know that's not

528
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: going to go as well as picking like a random

529
00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: ugly person. It's so classic, this classic.

530
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 2: I was trying to have my cake and eat it too, Honestly.

531
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like when I see a hot person

532
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: in the audience, this is so humiliating. But rather than

533
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: thinking wow, I'm in a position of power because I'm

534
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: the one with the mic and they must really like

535
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: me and that's why they paid to see me. I'm

536
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: thinking the exact opposite, which is I'm thinking I'm the

537
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: theater kid loser on stage and this person is sitting

538
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: there with her arms crossed, being like the hell does

539
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: this like idiot have to say, Like I'm going to

540
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,679
Speaker 1: go to football practice after Like, I revert back to the

541
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: high school damage realm. You're you're the hot person and

542
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: I'm like the loser that is trying a draft of

543
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: my art project on stage. Wow, So I'm not. I

544
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: don't love when there are hot people that I can

545
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: see from stage, and it does not in any way

546
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: turn me on. What I do enjoy is a hot

547
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: person potentially talking to me afterwards and complimenting the show,

548
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,719
Speaker 1: potentially sitting in the back so I don't see them

549
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: as I'm performing, and then coming up to me afterwards.

550
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: I you know, I I'll enjoy that. Yeah, that's and

551
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: that's that's why we do it.

552
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: That's why we do it, folks.

553
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: So wait, I want to just quickly say one of

554
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: the ones we disagreed on is what is a piece

555
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: of media we loved in our youth that we now hate.

556
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: And I want to say, get ready because this is

557
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: a shocking thing to say. I tried rewatching Austin Powers

558
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: recently and really could not get into it. You already

559
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: crazy such a bit.

560
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 2: You knew that would hurt my feelings, and I to

561
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: hurt my feelings.

562
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: I almost want to try again because I think maybe

563
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: I was in a bad mood. And then the other one,

564
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: which I think I've talked about before, is the movie

565
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: rat Race. I have a memory of loving and I

566
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: watched it recently. Just stonefaced. Mmm.

567
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 4: Hey, my name's Jeff and my name's Connor. Long time

568
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 4: gay guys, first time callers.

569
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 7: We're calling today because of a debate that is absolutely

570
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 7: tearing our friends group apart.

571
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 4: We want to know is Lord a gay pop diva.

572
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 7: I think Lord is absolutely a gay pop diva, but

573
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 7: I think she's not there yet.

574
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: Now.

575
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 4: We agree that Charlie Mariah Resa, for example, are gay

576
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 4: pop difas, and we.

577
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 7: Also agree that Dua Lipa Pink and Atlant morsett as.

578
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 4: We have all kinds of arguments either way, but we

579
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 4: don't want to give them to you because we want

580
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 4: to sway your decision. But if we keep talking about this,

581
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 4: our friends are going to kill us. So we need

582
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 4: to call in professional help from the girls. So please respond.

583
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 7: We need this debate suttle.

584
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Diva and soon Hi.

585
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: Love you Diva, Love you divas. This is so interesting,

586
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: you know it's it's I'm feeling a little bit like

587
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: when someone tells you who they are, believe them, and

588
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, so you think du A Lipa is not

589
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: a gay pop diva and I'm supposed to sort of

590
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: listen to your rankings. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. If she's

591
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 2: not a gay pop diva, then what is she a

592
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: pop singer?

593
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm sorry, but this is like, you know,

594
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: this is like, however, how everyone is over using iconic

595
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 1: and legend and blah blah blah. I was you know

596
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: what my pet thieves is like when people are like,

597
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: happy birthday to this New York darling, It's like, what

598
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: the hell are you talking about? That is? Jason? Yeah,

599
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: so I like du A Liipa, but you know, give

600
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: her she's still cooking.

601
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: I couldn't disagree more. I'm like dou A Lipa like

602
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: with future nostalgia alone. I think she like has made

603
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: an impact, is so big and is so specifically like

604
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: for like the gay community.

605
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: Listen, I love dou A Lipa. I need more vulnerability

606
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna call her a gay pop diva. The

607
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: whole point of being a gay pop diva is that

608
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: you are. You have this narrative of being the underdog

609
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: and then persevering you have gone through and I understand.

610
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: Does give vulnerability.

611
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: Well, she's Australian and she had cancer. Did how about

612
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: you check yourself?

613
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not seeing vulnerable from her. I'm seeing perfection.

614
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: Listen. Ah, okay, hold on. So you're saying you don't

615
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: trust the people that made this call because they don't

616
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: think dou A Lipa is a gay.

617
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: A gay pop diva, That's what I'm saying.

618
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: But that actually doesn't really answer their question, which you know,

619
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: anyone can ask whether or not you agree with your

620
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: opinions or not, which is lord of a gay pop diva?

621
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: I hate this, by the way, this is an example

622
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: of a question you like and I don't like.

623
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, why don't you like it?

624
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: Because it I have because it it damns us into

625
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: being like chatty gay guys.

626
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: But that's what we are. I know, it's one part

627
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: of us. We have a multifaceted personality.

628
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: Is Lord a gay pop diva?

629
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I kind of think. See

630
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: the thing is, I think you have to like consent

631
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: to being a gay pop diva, like, and I don't

632
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: know if she's consenting to that. I think that, Like,

633
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: I think that's sort of what what I'm talking about

634
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: with like dua lipa honestly is like she's like, I

635
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: think she kind of considers herself a gay pop diva,

636
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: like and Lord is sort of being like Lord thinks

637
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: she's the Strokes. She's not, but she thinks she is.

638
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 2: And so that to me, like seeing her call answer

639
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: in Vegas famously was to die for let's start there.

640
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: But she really wants to be like I'm a I'm

641
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: a like I'm just like you. Like I'm like, yes,

642
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: I'm up here, Yes I write these songs, but I'm

643
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: merely a reflection of you. And I'm like, I don't

644
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: see myself as larger than life. I see myself as life.

645
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 2: And so I'm like, I think I don't I think no,

646
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: because she doesn't think yes, yeah.

647
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: I would say, I would say I'm sorry to this

648
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: group chat. I would say self, evidently no is the

649
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: correct answer. I just don't think that is what she

650
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: is striving to be or accomplishing being. And I also

651
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 1: think part of the gay pop diva thing is obviously

652
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: overcoming adversity and at some point being an underdog and

653
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: being crucified by the media whatever. But then another part

654
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: of it is being kind of like difficult and having

655
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: literally diva bea. I mean, that is why Mariah Carey

656
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: is a diva. That is why beyond uh Madonna is

657
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: a diva, Like that's the whole. And Beyonce, I'm not

658
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: not to say she's difficult and that she's like like

659
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: treats people poorly, but difficult in the sense that she's

660
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: famously particular and is like always with the laptop and

661
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: like calling the shots and like you gotta have some

662
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 1: of that energy. And I'm not I think the pure

663
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: joy of a dua lipa or the pure like emoness

664
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: of a lord is not quite there. Like you got

665
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: to sort of combine it all and come out and

666
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: be and become like share, sure, share, But that doesn't.

667
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: Mean gay guys don't like lord, it just means yeah.

668
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I'm even like, is what gay

669
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: pop diva? Maybe you know what, I'm being so old fashioned.

670
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm kind of being old gay guy that is at

671
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: the gay bar and is like reminiscing about the eighties. Like,

672
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: to me, a gay pop diva is a very specific thing.

673
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't even think Charlie is a gay pop diva,

674
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that as a nock to her.

675
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: I love Charlie, but I think you need it's a

676
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: specific thing.

677
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: Well, I think that is. I think to fully answer

678
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: this question, we would have to define what is a

679
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 2: gay pop diva, because I think that's where the disagreement

680
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: is coming in, is that we have not defined the term.

681
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: Well, I would say that a gay pop diva is

682
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: kind of dangerously close to the definition of a glamour girl,

683
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: which is someone who is glamorous, wounded and seeking truth.

684
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: But there's the added definition of like and also is

685
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: known for belting totally.

686
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: Oh that's true. Yeah, Like, does a gay pop diva

687
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: need to be a vocalist? I would argue probably yes.

688
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: I would argue probably yes, whereas maybe a gay pop girlye.

689
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: That Wow, that's a really good point. And in fact,

690
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: I actually do think that's why the phrase gay pop

691
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: girly was sort of on the rise, is because there

692
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: was a crop of these gurly that were not quite

693
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: diva status yet and.

694
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: They don't want to be like they they don't they're

695
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 2: not looking to be.

696
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: And also, you know, I gotta say there is an

697
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: age element to the diva thing too, Like I'm a

698
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: little bit like graduating towards diva status means, oh, you're

699
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 1: about to age into Vegas residency.

700
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: Right right, right, right right.

701
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: It is too early. Even if Lord was going for

702
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: a Mariah thing, which she obviously is not, it is

703
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: too early to graduate her into diva.

704
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Diva is your masters that's right.

705
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: And you know or PhD. We Curly is your master,

706
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 1: Curly is your mass. Diva is your PhD.

707
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: See.

708
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're just pop singer, you're you have a bachelor's. Yeah. Yeah,

709
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: and I do think do It for the Record has

710
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: a master's.

711
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 2: I'm glad you can agree.

712
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, she might be what she might be

713
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: doing her PhD. You know, when you do a PhD,

714
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: part of it is getting a master's. Like anyone who

715
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: gets a PhD also gets some masters, so I think

716
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 1: Dua is on the PhD track potentially. But she's presented

717
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: her master's season. Everyone's saying, this is promising. Can't wait

718
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: to see how you make it into you know, your

719
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: monogram monogram monograph.

720
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: Anyway, So since we're talking about the podcast, when we

721
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: make the podcast, I have to say, see, that's why

722
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 2: I like questions like that. Oh shot, What you're forgetting

723
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: is that we will put the pop star diva question

724
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: through our lens and we make it our own.

725
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: Whereas you think if I were to ask you what

726
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: is a piece of media you love in your youth

727
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,240
Speaker 1: that you now hate? Nothing would come out of that conversation.

728
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: It would be very straightforward, and your answer would just

729
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 1: be titanic George.

730
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: When I say, when I say, my answer would be

731
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 2: well nothing, because I respect the child that I was

732
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: and the journey that I had.

733
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: Well, there you go.

734
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: That's not a fun answer. Oh that's a that's a

735
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 2: void the question.

736
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Speaker 8: Hey, good guys, calling from Miami. Yeah, yeah, you're je No.

737
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 8: I know, I know nobody likes Maammy, but my question

738
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 8: I should out to questions protein proteins everywhere, and I

739
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 8: think we haven't really heard from you guys about protein

740
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 8: and if it's gay or or what. I think it's

741
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 8: straight in an obvious way, but you guys always come

742
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 8: up with new perspectives and as where we listen and

743
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 8: then yeah, never mind, that's gonna be my only question.

744
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 9: Bye.

745
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 4: I love you guys.

746
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: Keep doing great work saving the world.

747
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: Something I love about gay guys is myself included is

748
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: that they will be giving you a straightforward compliment, but

749
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: the tone of voice is like, but I could change

750
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: my mind at any second.

751
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's comforting. It keeps me in line.

752
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: Is protein gay or straight?

753
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 2: This is so complex because I like protein is everywhare

754
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: Like we all know this. This is not a hot take.

755
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 2: It is just like like when there's protein cold foam

756
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 2: at Starbucks, Like you have to take a step back.

757
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: I mean for me, I'm literally being like, okay, then

758
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: what is protein? Like where are they getting all this stuff?

759
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: What mine is this coming from? I guess I have

760
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: no understanding what protein is. If you can just put

761
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: it in anything, I find it like it's there's like

762
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: a curve or something where it's like I think ten

763
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: years ago, protein was very straight and it was like

764
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 2: the stereotype of like the guy with the jug of

765
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 2: creatine powder and that's like the only food he has

766
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: in his kitchen, and it's like the straightest guy in

767
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: the world.

768
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: And then like muscle milk, muscle milk, Like muscle milk

769
00:40:51,920 --> 00:41:00,760
Speaker 1: is such a classic kind of straight phrase, straight combination.

770
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: Yes, and even the branding of musclemilk it was very masculine,

771
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: and there was something like where it was like this

772
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 2: is for straight guys, this this whole system, and now

773
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: it's turning into like like again Starbucks cold foam with protein,

774
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 2: and I'm like, it's becoming queer, and for yoga girl.

775
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: It's becoming feminized. I mean basically what happened with protein,

776
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: just on a literal level, Sorry to absolutely blow the

777
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: alarm on this, is that the way capitalism works is

778
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 1: that one market was cornered fully all men were into protein,

779
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,800
Speaker 1: so then they were like, how do we expand this market.

780
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: We feminize protein and make it also for women, And

781
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: then suddenly you have Goop and Gwyneth Paltrow promoting cottage

782
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: cheese pancakes and Starbucks cold foam that's advertised by some

783
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: brain dead influencer and you know you have like I

784
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: don't know, you can put proteins in your protein powder

785
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: in your what's the smoothie place in La and your

786
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: ear wan smoothie. That's literally what it is. Yeah, that's

787
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: what happened, and you all fell for it. And where

788
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: gay people come in is that there are both men

789
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: and women who are gay, which is interesting, and so

790
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: they are implicated in this.

791
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,760
Speaker 2: They are implicated in this. I will say, I still

792
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: on the whole think it is actually more straight male

793
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: to have the big jug of protein powder in your kitchen,

794
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 2: but gay guys do do it well.

795
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: Yes, the protein powder and the protein maxing is obviously

796
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 1: very straight, but an attention to protein is also very

797
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: like just mom Like it's kind of like following, you

798
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: know what's very straight the food pyramid. Like that, like

799
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: believing in and following the food pyramid and making three

800
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: plates for your three boys and making sure they get

801
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: their chicken and their broccoli and their rice. That is

802
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: also very mom and straight. Yeah, food is complicated obviously

803
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: because it is such a third rail. It's like I

804
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: feel like, honestly, in a post cancel culture world, food

805
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: is still the one thing I don't quite know how

806
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: to talk about Yeah, because people are obsessed with pathologizing everything,

807
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: either accusing you of having an eating disorder, accusing you

808
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: of you know, in terms of meat, veganism, dietary restrictions,

809
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 1: accusing you of being an ethical in any in whatever

810
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: way they believe in that one moment, if you are

811
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: too ethical, then suddenly you're like a blue haired leftist cuck. Yeah,

812
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: so this is like I do find that nutrition wise,

813
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: it is an interesting question. What is a straight versus

814
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 1: gay outlook on nutrition? Like what do you think?

815
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: Well, this is like such not to be completely insane,

816
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 2: but I'm like, this is why we need our institutions back.

817
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: Like we literally need like a standard of eating that

818
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: is like so this is sort of what you should like.

819
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: The food pyramid has fallen and we need to rebuild

820
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 2: it because we need just like a like here's sort

821
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 2: of what you should be shooting for. It's neither good

822
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: nor bad. It's just average, like feel free to have

823
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 2: some of this, have some of that, And instead it's

824
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: like everyone is polarized and they're eating in ways that

825
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 2: are insane.

826
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: I know it's but again it has it goes back

827
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: to marketing and moving product like, the reason all of

828
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: this is happening is just so that people are so

829
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: confused that they are convinced into doing whatever you know,

830
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: Procter and Gamble wants them to do. There is no

831
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: And by the way, if the government were to step

832
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: into making new food pyramid, you know who that would be,

833
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: RFK Junior.

834
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: I know this is why it's not fair. We need

835
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: good government. I want government issued meals.

836
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's literally my number one dream.

837
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: I would I would love that.

838
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting about and also is this is a

839
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: known fact that people say, you know, when they're sort

840
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: of debunking the protein craze. In general, Americans on average

841
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: do get enough protein. It's not one of the it's

842
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: not one of the things we need more on average,

843
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: and so it's a strange thing to have so much

844
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: emphasis on it. To me, the reason why I became

845
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: sort of obsessed with protein over the last couple of

846
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: years because I was like, ooh, I'm like experimenting with

847
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: working out more and it's like fun to it's I

848
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: want to gain muscle. I never thought of it as

849
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: something I'm doing for my general health. It was always

850
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: a vanity thing, you.

851
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: Know, I've heard that the next big craze is going

852
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 2: to be fiber. Yes.

853
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: No, everyone has been saying that, Yeah, it's.

854
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 2: The thing gay appropriation once again.

855
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: I know, No, I you know I have straight women

856
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: in my life have borrowed back when I would take

857
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: Pure for Men have borrowed my Pure for Men pill

858
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: because they are apparently because they thought they were better

859
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: than other fiberpills. I do think that's been debunked. Unfortunately.

860
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: I think it's the exact same as.

861
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: Any other thing. Yeah, I'm just taking them meta mucil. Now,

862
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: what are you so?

863
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: I have a I don't. I we need to move on.

864
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: But maybe there's no time for us to actually go

865
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: into this. But I'm interested in the process of something

866
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: normal and conventional becoming a trend, because there are trends

867
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: that are new, unique, updated things Like a trend could be,

868
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, tiny sunglasses. I'm not saying that's new and

869
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: has just been invented, but that is something that you

870
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: didn't see as much of before and now you're seeing

871
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: more of. But protein is something that is so classic.

872
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: It's like seeing the American flag is trending, Like it

873
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: is something that is so classic that it really takes

874
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: a big push to make it into a trend. Yeah,

875
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: And I think maybe that's what's straight about it. Like,

876
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: to me, a gay trend has to be niche that

877
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: then enters the mainstream. But as straight trend, it's like

878
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: the lack of imagination, you have to have to think

879
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 1: protein is an interesting thing to promote. Yeah, it's very

880
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: like Thursday Nights on NBC.

881
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: Well, in that case, I love it period.

882
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: How are you doing okay? Next call? Hi?

883
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 5: Sam? Did you ever finish the Shards?

884
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 4: And George, what are you reading?

885
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: I did finish The Shards last week, two weeks ago. Uh.

886
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,839
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. I felt like it was I

887
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: haven't read like a quote unquote page turner in a while,

888
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: and that one I felt like a little kid again,

889
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 2: kind of glued to the book. And I will say

890
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 2: it didn't end as satisfyingly as I had hoped, and

891
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 2: that's all I'll say about that. I loved everything leading

892
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: up to that.

893
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: Did it make you want to read more Brett Easton Ellis?

894
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

895
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: I actually did kind of like his vibe. It's my

896
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: first Brett Eastnelli's book, and.

897
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: It's such a hard one to start with. Because it's like,

898
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: I feel like it's his longest.

899
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: It was long as hell, but it hit it was juicy.

900
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: I am actually rereading a book, which I'm ashamed to

901
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: say I do very rarely.

902
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: I have very rarely.

903
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: I have this need for newness at all times, even

904
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: though I really think that, you know, much like the

905
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: second sip of a wine is more complex than the

906
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: first ship. I think the second time you read a

907
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: book often you get way more out of it than

908
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: the first. But I am, no, that's amazing.

909
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: I think that's great.

910
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 1: I am rereading this book called Satn Island by Tom McCarthy.

911
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: It is about it's very like my interest circa twenty

912
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,240
Speaker 1: fifteen when I first picked it up. It's about someone

913
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: who is a corporate anthropologist. So his job is to

914
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: like study human behavior for a company that then you know,

915
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: sells products to them. And he was working on the

916
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: Great Report, which is basically like a report on the

917
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: behavior of like the entire world. But it's very sort

918
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: of weird and avant garde and sort of post post

919
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: post postmodern. And the reason I was inspired to reread

920
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: it is because, as listeners of the podcast might know,

921
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: I was rereading or I was reading for the first

922
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: time this book of Zadie Smith Essays that contained this

923
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: famous essay she wrote that was called like two Directions

924
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: for the novel or something or two ways for the novel,

925
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,959
Speaker 1: And one of them was like sort of a conventional

926
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: realist novel with like a bunch of different characters and

927
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: different themes. And then the other one was this super

928
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: weird novel called Remainder by the same author, which I've

929
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: also read and I liked less, and so that inspired

930
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: me to reread this book. And while we're on the

931
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: topic of books, I just want to very quickly say,

932
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 1: we got another call asking us to recommend books that

933
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: are similar to The Secret History, and I guess I

934
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: would say, what about Brideshead Revisited, which is kind of

935
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: the og Secret History.

936
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: Oh, I've never read that.

937
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: And also, if you want a book set in academia,

938
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: I love the book Lucky Jim by Kingsley. Amus. Next call, Next.

939
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: Call I Sam and George.

940
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 6: Last time I called in I mumbled a ton, so

941
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 6: I'm not going to do that this time.

942
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: Hamy.

943
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 6: I have a question about miss Charlie Xux. She you know,

944
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,240
Speaker 6: had a great brat era, but she's pivoting into acting.

945
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 6: She's like going to be in like twenty movies and

946
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 6: was on SML. So I want to hear YouTube geniuses

947
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 6: come up with like what a movie is going to

948
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 6: win her the oscar?

949
00:50:58,680 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 3: Like, what is the campaign?

950
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 6: What is the role? How are we going to get

951
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 6: her that little gold Man? Should she be the sexy

952
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 6: step mom in a drama and she has tenants of

953
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 6: screen time steals the show? Should she fall into a

954
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 6: magical world Narnie style? Should she have Sandra Bullock's role

955
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 6: in a reboot of Speed where that bus is zooming around?

956
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 9: Yeah?

957
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 6: I would love to know your guys, just thoughts. I

958
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 6: love you both, fearly love from Alaska.

959
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: Work it out, Wow, work it out out.

960
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: Shout out to Alaska. I like this question because I'm like,

961
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: I feel like Charlie as an actress. The Oscars loves

962
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: someone to play against type, like people love to see

963
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: like a transformation. So I think she would have to

964
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: play like a dowdy mother who was like dealing with

965
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: intergenerational trauma and it's like very and maybe it's even

966
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: in like the Victorian era and like essentially like maybe

967
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 2: like her son is at war and she's like thinking

968
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: about him quietly for like two hours, like maybe you

969
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 2: never even see him.

970
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: So I'm sharing my screen with you, which I just remembered.

971
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: So you did see me googling Mariah Carey Precious. Oh and.

972
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: My browser was blocking it, so I missed it.

973
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: Got it? I wanted to address that in case you

974
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: had seen it. I was trying to remember what the

975
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 1: famous like, Okay, well it ended up just googling Mariah

976
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: Carey pr and it's now showing me who her publicity

977
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: team is.

978
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 2: I have been wondering, Yeah, totally.

979
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: You know, recently, some a clip of Precious was randomly

980
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: going viral on my feet and it's the clip where

981
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: Precious goes to see Mariah Carey, who is playing a

982
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: social worker. Now, of course, you know, there's an argument

983
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: to be made that that movie is evil, and I

984
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: definitely recognize that argument. However, we have to admit that

985
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: every single woman in that film is giving the performance

986
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: of her career, and it sucks that it's all in

987
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: the service of this narrative.

988
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 2: But it's facts, fully right, You're fully right.

989
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Monique, is that is like a generation defining

990
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: If the movie was more well written, that would be

991
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: a generation defining performance.

992
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: Well, literally, what was going on over there? How are

993
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: they all so? I know that acting over there?

994
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 1: No, it's crazy. I mean even Mariah who famously, I

995
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: mean her one movie flop, she's not you know, you

996
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't think of her as someone who has acting range.

997
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: She's doing a great job Paul at Patton anyway. So

998
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: I was trying to think, like, should Charlie do something

999
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: that is sort of Mariah Carey? Im precious You're going

1000
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:05,280
Speaker 1: more period drama. I'm going more rim like present day

1001
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: set movie in like in London that's about kind of

1002
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: like a working class community in London, and Charlie is

1003
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, but this has not been filmed yet, and

1004
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: then it would take even longer to come out. So

1005
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about her age. She could play a mother,

1006
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: she could play a teacher, she could play honestly, a

1007
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: reporter that is reporting a big story about, you know,

1008
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: water pollution in the community or something like that. I

1009
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: like that, And then I think, in a completely different direction,

1010
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: I think Charlie could be then you m in James Bond, Well, yes,

1011
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: because I that's fun, because I think both of us

1012
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: are going very obvious with this question. Which is like, okay,

1013
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 1: what's an oscary role? But I think and then of course,

1014
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: the less imaginative thing is being like, okay, well she

1015
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: should play an actress or a pop star, whatever she's

1016
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: doing in that movie that she's writing herself. But I

1017
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: think if she were to do a cunty role that

1018
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: isn't someone in an entertainment industry, that would be fun,

1019
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: like a CEO, an editor in chief of a women's magazine,

1020
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: someone who is, you know, a weapons manufacturer. That's why

1021
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: I think being em and James Bond could be a

1022
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: real breakthrough for her.

1023
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: That could be a real breakthrough. Not Oscar worthy, but

1024
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 2: it would be a breakthrough. It would be fun for sure.

1025
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: Because I think people think people think playing against type

1026
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: for her would mean dressed down, but actually playing against

1027
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:39,600
Speaker 1: type with her would mean not messy like super type

1028
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: A and buttoned up. She plays Margaret Thatcher, Yes, exactly,

1029
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: she should play Margaret that It's called young the Iron

1030
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: Lady too. No more free handouts vibes. That's the full

1031
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: time idle vibes.

1032
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: It would be like it would be about Margaret Thatcher,

1033
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 2: like when she's young, like being wronged by like people

1034
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 2: getting free stuff, and like it's sort of her villain

1035
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 2: origin story.

1036
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, like there was one maybe she had one experience

1037
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: where everyone else got free stuff and she didn't. Or

1038
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: it's like everyone was handing out the free government tunics

1039
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: and all the rest of the people's fit and hers

1040
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 1: was like too small or too big, and she was like, wow,

1041
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: I've always thought that a one size fits all approach

1042
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 1: doesn't work. It turns out no one should have healthcare.

1043
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 2: I think that could really work.

1044
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, what are your thoughts on dating someone who's

1045
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 9: really hot, has good morals, votes, loves you one conditionally,

1046
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 9: but just is a little bit dumb, Like you regularly

1047
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 9: get to a world events and history, et cetera. To

1048
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 9: this person. They have plenty of other skills, but just

1049
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 9: like general knowledge is not one of them.

1050
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 2: Okay, think that feeling when general knowledge is not one

1051
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 2: of the skills.

1052
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: Damn for general knowledge to not be one of the

1053
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: skills is tough. I also I do want to kind

1054
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: of make a draw a line between intelligence and general knowledge.

1055
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: What you're describing is someone being uninformed, which in fact

1056
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: can be fixed and is not difficult. Like I think

1057
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: it can take a couple of years, but you know,

1058
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 1: you teach this person this is the morning news digest.

1059
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: You should read. These are a couple of books about

1060
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: world history. Maybe let's sit down together. You know, this

1061
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: is sort of like a big oaf of a man.

1062
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: He can barely like swing his limbs around without knocking

1063
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: over a picture of pink lemonade. You sit him down,

1064
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: You say, we're gonna watch the evening news. Yeah, so

1065
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: that to me is fixable. Intelligence is a tough one.

1066
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 2: Well, I was I'm torn on I wish we had

1067
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: an example of the intelligence because right now I'm thinking

1068
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 2: I'm more on your first statement, where it sounds like

1069
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: he is the total package, except like so he doesn't

1070
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 2: know like about the Revolutionary War, like and I'm sort

1071
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: of like, like if the other skills are like he

1072
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: knows how to cook, or like he knows how to

1073
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 2: like he has like a good sense of direction or something. Yeah,

1074
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 2: Like I'm like that counts too, That counts towards intelligence,

1075
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 2: Like being able to like win at trivial pursuit is

1076
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 2: not necessarily intelligence.

1077
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're also saying, you know, he has good morals

1078
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: and he votes correctly without having general knowledge. That's emotional intelligence.

1079
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 2: To know you can't buy that. You can't you can't

1080
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: buy that.

1081
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: Like there are people that have so much general knowledge,

1082
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: too much in fact, and you know they are voting

1083
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: for insane things out there in the world. But I

1084
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: have to say, you know, I must admit that it

1085
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: would bother me if my significant other lacked general knowledge

1086
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: to use your terminology. So I understand where you're coming from,

1087
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: and I think it's something that can be taught. I

1088
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: am a little bit more interested in the question of

1089
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: genuinely if if someone is a little actually dumb, cause

1090
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 1: that is challenging.

1091
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 2: It's so specific because it's like how are you dumb?

1092
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 2: Like there are metrics in which I am dumb, But

1093
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, like, I feel like if it's like sort

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00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:33,959
Speaker 2: of like if you were to tell me, like, hey,

1095
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 2: could you like take care of this child? Could you

1096
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 2: take care of my child for the day? My child

1097
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 2: is too could you take care of her for the day?

1098
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: You could figure it out.

1099
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: I'd figure it out, but I'd have a lot of

1100
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 2: questions and it wouldn't come naturally. Uh, And like like

1101
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: even if it was like okay, like, uh, there's a

1102
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 2: chicken in the fridge and you like my mother is

1103
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: coming over, Can you please prepare it a period?

1104
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: I'd be like, okay, well that is simply just cooking.

1105
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 1: That is I would say that falls under general knowledge.

1106
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 2: Well, and I think, yeah, I think I think there's

1107
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 2: a world in which yeah, I guess. How would you

1108
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 2: define a little dumb.

1109
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: I think a little dumb is, to be honest, I

1110
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: define it as like someone who says something that is

1111
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 1: completely uninteresting and thinks it's groundbreaking, like I think of this.

1112
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: So this is honestly, I think about it so often

1113
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: when I go home degrease, Like you talk to Greek

1114
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 1: guys and they will have this like they'll just be like.

1115
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 10: The thing with men and women is like you have

1116
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 10: to like women expect you to be romantic, but they

1117
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 10: don't know how they want you to be a romantic,

1118
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 10: Like they just think of this thing. It's like, so

1119
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 10: what you're saying is sort of like a cliche line

1120
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 10: a guy would say in a movie before the woman

1121
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 10: broke up with him.

1122
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: Like or.

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01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: I mean, here's an example. It's like when people have

1124
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: really lukewarm opinions about something like cancel culture and think

1125
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: it's interesting, or when people are really you know, inspired

1126
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: by by the show the newsroom, like just like things,

1127
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: just like your brain is simple and so it is

1128
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: easy to hit the right buttons and make it go off.

1129
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: No, I I now that you're saying that. I know

1130
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 2: exactly what you mean, and it's it. That is tough.

1131
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 2: If it's like dumb as in like uninteresting and uninspiring,

1132
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 2: that is kind of unfortunately they like fantasy of like

1133
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 2: the dumb guy who's like so sweet and good is

1134
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 2: like not like it's like if they're like really genuinely

1135
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: dumb like that, like it's kind of it's over for me.

1136
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: And it's also I do get I would get embarrassed,

1137
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: like in social situations, like it's not a nice thing

1138
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: to admit, but like I would hate to be in

1139
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: the position of having to like explain myself for dating

1140
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: someone who is saying dumb things in this company. Yeah

1141
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: I've been in those Yeah, yeah, I've been in those situations.

1142
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: Not with my but I've been I've had friends of

1143
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: mine dates someone who like clearly is a dummy, and

1144
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: everyone this sort of has to like pause when it's

1145
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: their turn to speak and be like share share a

1146
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: little cutie.

1147
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 2: That is tough.

1148
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: That is really tough.

1149
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: I is there anything that like I was trying to

1150
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 2: think of, Like this question was make me think about

1151
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 2: our partners, and I was kind of like like, like,

1152
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 2: is there any dumbness that you overlook? Because I was

1153
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 2: thinking about like like Misha is really unaware of like

1154
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: internet culture like at all, and mostly that's like fine,

1155
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 2: but it will be funny to be like have you

1156
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 2: heard about this? And he's like no, And it's just

1157
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,240
Speaker 2: sort of that thing where it's like I'm I'm I'm

1158
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 2: just like it. My role is like always explaining what

1159
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 2: is on the internet.

1160
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: The thing is because I have also I have that

1161
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: role in various not necessarily with Matthew, but with friendships

1162
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 1: I have. It's easy to take that as meaning that

1163
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: you are somehow smarter, but in many ways it means

1164
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: you are dumber, you know what I mean. Like it

1165
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: is it's like I mean, it depends, of course what

1166
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: the other person is doing instead of being on the

1167
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: Internet at that time. But it's like I've had to

1168
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: explain stupid Internet things to someone knowing that they are

1169
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,959
Speaker 1: smarter than me and spend their time reading books rather

1170
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: than you know, being online. Okay, I have an answer

1171
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: to what is the dumb things Matthew and I overlook

1172
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:47,760
Speaker 1: on one another. I hope it doesn't get mad at this.

1173
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: For him, it is a lack of spatial reasoning in

1174
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: the on a small scale, so for example, trying to

1175
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: make a salad in a bowl that's too that's self

1176
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: evidently too small, just being like, yeah, I can definitely

1177
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: dress this salad in like a like a bowl.

1178
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 2: That's like for Cereal, that's so funny.

1179
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: And then for me it's actually spatial awareness on a

1180
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: larger scale, which I've talked about before, which is a

1181
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: lack of a sense of direction. Like I really am

1182
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: like a little child when I'm walking around in New

1183
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: York City even though it's a grid, like I just am.

1184
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: I always have a difficult time orienting myself knowing what

1185
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: direction I'm going to. And I do think each of

1186
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: us has learned that it's not something the other person's

1187
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,160
Speaker 1: gonna like learn, Yeah, and you just have to like

1188
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: be okay with it.

1189
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely have a horrible sense of direction, and

1190
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 2: I'm mostly I'm like inefficient in many ways in my life,

1191
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 2: like and I think Misha overlooks that, like where it's

1192
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 2: like he like cares about efficiency, like in the grocery store.

1193
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 2: He like has a plan, and I'm like, I'll get

1194
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 2: it done when I get it done, like it takes

1195
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 2: I have a different journey.

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01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. God, I'm just thinking that the top of the

1197
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: dumb boyfriend is really uh, there's a lot there. I

1198
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: also want to say, it's interesting that the two kinds

1199
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 1: of bad boyfriends are almost too dumb and too smart. Yeah,

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01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,479
Speaker 1: if you sort of think about it, because the too

1201
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: smart one is almost the stereotype of like a man

1202
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: that is so intellectual he becomes a misogynist, like he's

1203
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 1: so focused on his brain that he doesn't see his

1204
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: girlfriend as a full person yea. And then the dumb

1205
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: one is like so dumb that he doesn't get that

1206
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: he should. Like, it's like the dumb one doesn't buy

1207
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: a birthday gift because he's stupid. The smart one doesn't

1208
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: buy a birthday gift because he has some theory about

1209
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: like physical possessions. But both of them are ultimately not

1210
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: buying a birthday gift.

1211
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like a really smart thing you just said.

1212
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: I think.

1213
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 11: Is sama, George. I did colin earlier about time, but

1214
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 11: I'm calling back with a different theory about pop girls

1215
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 11: and I would love for two of the greatest minds

1216
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 11: of our generation to weigh in. So my friends and

1217
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 11: I were at the Chapel Roon show in LA and

1218
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 11: it got me thinking that I think a big reason

1219
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 11: that why Chapel got so big so quickly is that

1220
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:24,440
Speaker 11: she had really strong appeal to the big three demographics

1221
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 11: of pop girl fandom, so that is straight women, gay guys,

1222
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 11: and gay women. And I think my friends and I

1223
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 11: were actually struggling to think of another pop girl that

1224
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 11: really has all three of these demographics to.

1225
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 4: The same extent that Chapel has.

1226
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 11: I think it's common for people to have two of

1227
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,919
Speaker 11: the three, like Dua Lipa as an example. I think

1228
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 11: straight women and gay guys she has, but I don't

1229
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 11: think lesbians cared about du Alipa. Lord is one that

1230
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 11: we were torn on. We were I think Lord actually

1231
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 11: has had all three over the course of her career,

1232
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 11: but I don't think she's had all three at the

1233
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 11: same time. But we were really split on that one.

1234
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,640
Speaker 11: So yeah, I just wanted to get your guys thoughts.

1235
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 4: Do you agree?

1236
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 11: Can you think of other pop girls that have all

1237
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 11: three the way that Chappel does?

1238
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 3: Well?

1239
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 11: Love for you guys to win in all right, love

1240
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 11: you guys bye.

1241
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 2: I think this is very smart. I really like this call.

1242
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 2: I think I think the obvious one who has them

1243
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 2: all is Gaga true. I think you know who did

1244
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 2: who doesn't anymore. I think Casey Musgraves did with Golden

1245
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 2: Hour and then doesn't anymore.

1246
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: I have an answer that you're not gonna like, but

1247
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 1: it is objectively true. Hit me with it, Taylor Swift

1248
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: that it's just like we might not like it, but

1249
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:47,919
Speaker 1: it is completely true that Taylor Swift has all three

1250
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: and has them bad. Like lesbians literally think she's gay.

1251
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: Straight women think they are her like, they're literally like

1252
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: she is writing these songs for me and we had

1253
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: the same exact experience growing up. And then gay men

1254
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: are of course like completely insane and basically like jumping

1255
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 1: off of various windows at all times. Yeah, and I

1256
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: just I do actually think it is an underdiscussed part

1257
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: of her story is that sort of despite the fact

1258
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: that she seems like a very specific kind of blonde

1259
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: woman performer, she has this near universal appeal. And of course,

1260
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: the thing with her brand of appeal to straight women

1261
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: is they will even like there's a sort of inoffensive

1262
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:38,960
Speaker 1: kind of pop culture product that straight women can introduce

1263
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 1: to their boyfriends and husbands. Yeah, I think it's more

1264
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:45,759
Speaker 1: challenging for them to introduce, I don't know, even something

1265
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: like Lord to their husbands, whereas I think Taylor Swift

1266
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 1: it reminds me of how straight men love to joke

1267
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,520
Speaker 1: about how they watch like Love Island with their girlfriends.

1268
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:56,440
Speaker 2: Uh huh.

1269
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: It's just it's actually like kind of the the barrier

1270
01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: entry is low enough that they're able to kind of

1271
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: like hop on and understand it and do it half earnestly,

1272
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: half literally mocking their girlfriends and just sort of get

1273
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: on board. And so I think, honestly, that would be

1274
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: my answer.

1275
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 2: That's a good one. Beyonce I think has all three.

1276
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Beyonce has all three.

1277
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of like who's close, Like I

1278
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 2: think it's interesting. I'm thinking about like Ariana Grande, and

1279
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 2: I actually think like doing Wicked is the closest she's

1280
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 2: gotten to like getting all three.

1281
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 1: That's true actually, because then it's like the whole her

1282
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: and Cynthia Revac connection and everyone loves her. I mean,

1283
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:43,719
Speaker 1: does Demi have all three?

1284
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 2: Demi kind of might have all three.

1285
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: Actually might have all three, and I would even go

1286
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,679
Speaker 1: so far as to say, okay, carry me out. Miley

1287
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: has all three, but it's like the niche. It's like

1288
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: a minority of all three. Yeah, like there are passion

1289
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 1: there's a passion memory of lesbian's, passionate minority of gay

1290
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: men and passionate minority of straight women.

1291
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's not enough. We don't know it.

1292
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 1: It's not enough. And to be honest, I would even

1293
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 1: go so far as to say Pink has in her

1294
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,640
Speaker 1: own way all three. It's just not the ones we

1295
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: would interact with. But I think lesbians love pink.

1296
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: Well, we actually got a comment somewhere that was like

1297
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Speaker 2: mad at.

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01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: Us, that was like that we erased lesbian fandom.

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01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 2: No, no, the opposite. They were like, lesbians don't love pink.

1300
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 2: Don't say that. And I was like, WHOA, Okay.

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01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I've known lesbians who love pink. So maybe

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Speaker 1: you get your facts straight, Chica, Yeah, say Sam and George.

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01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 11: So, my friends and I were at the Heim show

1304
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,799
Speaker 11: in La a few days ago. We had one observation

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01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 11: and one question. So the observation was that we were

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01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 11: all really surprised that Alana was actually the main talker

1307
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 11: in between songs. She was like big bits and telling

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01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 11: stories and jokes, whereas we thought that would be SD's

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01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 11: role as like the stand up comedia in so they

1310
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 11: kind of subverted our expectations on that one. And now

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01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 11: the question, so we have we wanted to bring back

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01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,839
Speaker 11: the Heimlich game. We're thinking about other bands with three

1313
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 11: women and non binary people. So of these three bands, Heim, Muna,

1314
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 11: and Boy Genius, which one is the Danielle, which one

1315
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 11: is st and which one is Alana? This might break

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01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 11: the game, but we have our ideas of who's who.

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Speaker 11: Would love to hear your take.

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Speaker 5: All right, love you guys. Bye.

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Speaker 2: Okay, First of all, this is the same color of

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01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:36,719
Speaker 2: the chapel roone call.

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01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: Oh no is it?

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01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 2: It's yeah? Because she said, like I just called in

1323
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 2: about him, But I have another question.

1324
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:45,480
Speaker 1: Oh whiopsis?

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01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 2: Well, I mean shout out. I think I think Muna

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Speaker 2: is SD because Muna loves comedy and Muna has a podcast,

1327
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 2: and Muna has a podcast. I think you know what though,

1328
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 2: what Heim's vertical video output is nearing st levels? Oh

1329
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 2: my god, you know what I mean? Not really, but

1330
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 2: I'm listening.

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01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 1: Wait, you don't I feel like I'm all Heim does

1332
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 1: is do vertical videos that are like various dance challenges

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01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 1: and memes, and like they're being so silly and they're

1334
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: always making funny faces together and I almost think they're

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01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:33,600
Speaker 1: like outsilly ing Muna, really, is this not like so

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01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: much of your feed?

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01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 2: No, it's not.

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01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: That's so funny. I'm doing the very unhelpful thing of

1339
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 1: being like, don't you know, don't you know this?

1340
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm looking, I'm looking at their Instagram now

1341
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 2: is that you're talking?

1342
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's always some It's always some

1343
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:48,799
Speaker 1: dance challenge with Jimmy fallon with them.

1344
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, legit, like not seeing that on their on

1345
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:55,599
Speaker 2: their ig.

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01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:58,960
Speaker 1: That is shocking to me. To me, I mean, listen,

1347
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,839
Speaker 1: maybe they maybe they've regretted their choices and have deleted

1348
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: the videos. To me, when I when I envisioned Heim, okay,

1349
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: time to me the music aside, because I like the

1350
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 1: music of all three bands. Iim is doing a vertical

1351
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: video dance that ends in them doing a funny face.

1352
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: Muna is they have a podcast and their guest is

1353
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: Caleb Herron and boy Genius is they're randomly dating one another. Yeah,

1354
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,599
Speaker 1: boy Genius is like the two It's like Lucy and

1355
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: uh Julian are dating and then Phoebe Bridgers is dating

1356
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: you know, Harris Dick consider or something.

1357
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean I think we have to at

1358
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 2: least agree that boy Genius is Danielle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 2: And so the question is Alana or Muna is wait?

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01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: Sorry, Alana arresty. Well, I do think in a sense,

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01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 1: Muna is a Lana because they're like younger coded hmm,

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01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: that's true, and more like they're like care free and

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01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: uh music, you know, like soundtrack soundtrack to like a

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01:14:14,800 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 1: cool movie. Sure, sure, sure, but then that would make

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01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm esty. I'm telling you. Heim is going Esti mode.

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01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 2: Okay, So him is Esti I'm okay. I mean I

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01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,560
Speaker 2: see what you mean. Like they're they're silly. They're like

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01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 2: like Muna likes comedy, but like in a sort of

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01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 2: prestige way, like.

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Speaker 1: They like part of the comedy community. Muna is part

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Speaker 1: of the comedy community, right, Like they've been accepted into

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01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:44,600
Speaker 1: the comedy community.

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01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 2: Right, whereas Heime is doing comedy like like Estie would.

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01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, I'm sorry, Sam. Go to Heim's Instagram and

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01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,120
Speaker 1: go on the reels. Tab you are gaslaighting me boots,

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01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 1: well the reel and.

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01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 3: They're not.

1379
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: Go to the reels, tap and tell me what you're seeing.

1380
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 1: Is every single one of them not a dance challenge.

1381
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 2: They're literally not. They're making videos, but they're I'm I'm

1382
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 2: not seeing any I'm okay, here's a dance challenge after

1383
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 2: I've scrolled. Okay, the first one's dance challenge. Okay, the

1384
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 2: fourth ones a dance challenge. I mean, they exist. I'm

1385
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 2: just saying it's not it's not as prominent as what

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01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 2: you were saying.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's well, I'm looking at the rest of these.

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01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm loving. First of all, I love the question we

1389
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 1: got that was just dew. We like penises. I would

1390
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:00,160
Speaker 1: say for me, it's a yes.

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01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 2: It's a yes for me.

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01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: I like the question. You know, we get this one

1393
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 1: a lot, which is what do you do if you

1394
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: hate your job? Yeah, we have answered it a lot

1395
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: in the past that I'm afraid that we don't have

1396
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 1: any new insights in that vein.

1397
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but listen to him's new album, but I quit.

1398
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 1: Listen to him's album. Might quit. Someone called about the

1399
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:28,800
Speaker 1: content versus context binary, which I wanna this is maybe

1400
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 1: not the time for it, but I'm it's like one

1401
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: of my favorite things we've talked about is that we

1402
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: are going from an era of content to an era

1403
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 1: of context. Like what's more valuable now is not more content,

1404
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 1: it's more context because there's so much content out there

1405
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: that the person that's actually offering something new as a

1406
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:50,600
Speaker 1: person who's able to recontextualize it. So that's fun, but

1407
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: it does.

1408
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 2: Get complicated when contextualization becomes content becomes content.

1409
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: That's the thing because then if you're, for example, if

1410
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: you are doing a let's say you're releasing a voter

1411
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: guide or let's say you're releasing a breakdown of a

1412
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 1: recent US story, you have to ask yourself, are you

1413
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:13,759
Speaker 1: actually providing context or are you just creating content.

1414
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 2: My least favorite context is people that are like, did

1415
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 2: you know that in two thousand and three this happened

1416
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 2: and it caused this. I'm like okay, Like I'm sort

1417
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 2: of like, yeah, we can all pull like random things

1418
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 2: that have happened, Like what is the broader arc that

1419
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 2: you're trying to write, Like, is this like a six

1420
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 2: week course on like yeah, two thousand and three, or

1421
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,760
Speaker 2: are you just like saying, like, isn't it crazy that

1422
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 2: this boat crashed?

1423
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 1: I know, well, what you're talking about also is very

1424
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: like the There's been a huge increase in celebrating anniversaries

1425
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: of pop culture events. It's always like today, Mark's the

1426
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 1: seventeenth anniversary of Demita Joe. I'm like, I love Dmia Joe,

1427
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: but I actually don't need to know about the seven

1428
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: teenth anniversary.

1429
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 2: That is unfortunately one of my favorite things.

1430
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: Where they're like.

1431
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 2: Twenty second anniversary of Blank Yeah, and I'm like, damn slow.

1432
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: News dash And I know that it's also like sort

1433
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 1: of like they're doing it because they want people to

1434
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:15,639
Speaker 1: make fun of them.

1435
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1436
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: Very quickly. People have been really asking your thoughts on

1437
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 1: Tyra Banks releasing hot ice cream, which is something you've

1438
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 1: always wished what happened?

1439
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I've always I thought ice cream was far

1440
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 2: too cold. This is a known opinion of mine, and

1441
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 2: I stand by it. That being said, do I want

1442
01:18:36,360 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 2: to be hot? Not necessarily. I've always said I want

1443
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:43,560
Speaker 2: lukewarm ice cream that it still has its texture.

1444
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: So you don't want like a crembulet or like a.

1445
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 2: God No, if anything, the closest thing that I want

1446
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 2: is a soft cookie. Like a soft cookie to me,

1447
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 2: is the closest thing we have to warm ice cream.

1448
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:59,759
Speaker 2: I see, I see, And.

1449
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: So don't you don't like like a panacatta or like

1450
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 1: a custardy dessert. I mean cheesecake. Okay, cheese cake, I

1451
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 1: would say, is pretty close to room temperature ice cream.

1452
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's you know, You're right, You're right, it's close,

1453
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 2: but it's not exactly on the nose. And I don't

1454
01:19:19,920 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 2: know what science she's cooking up. I have not like

1455
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 2: watched the full video, even though people have sent it

1456
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 2: to me. I was just like, I don't want to support, oh,

1457
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 2: someone losing their mind.

1458
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, there's a whole genre of things people

1459
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: send to us that we just never address, and this

1460
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 1: is one of them. And I actually think that's I

1461
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 1: think there's a way to drive yourself crazy where you're

1462
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: like interacting with something like that and constantly being like

1463
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,680
Speaker 1: stop sending please, we've seen it, and then you it

1464
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: like makes you drive yourself crazy. Honestly, one thing like that,

1465
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 1: And I want to say this publicly because we've never

1466
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: addressed this. The meme.

1467
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 2: Address it.

1468
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 1: The meme where there are two doors once they one

1469
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: says top a twink, and the other one says stop

1470
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,639
Speaker 1: and think, and there are a lot of people lined

1471
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 1: up behind the door that says top a twink. Okay,

1472
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: So this is sent to us once a day. It

1473
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 1: has been happening for pretty much five years. Yeah, and

1474
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: I just want to say, all of we've seen it.

1475
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 1: You don't understand the frequency with which it is sent

1476
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 1: to us. This is something that is reposted by meme

1477
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:30,679
Speaker 1: accounts daily, like it is something that has existed out there.

1478
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: Every day, someone discovers it and sends it and says, oh,

1479
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 1: there's a straight shooter if I've ever heard one.

1480
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do do that, and we appreciate support. But

1481
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 2: we have seen it.

1482
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 1: We have seen it, and we think it's high hilarious.

1483
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 2: As we're wrapping up, I'm like, yes, what's your mood

1484
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 2: like right now?

1485
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 1: It's not good, But it has nothing to do with

1486
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: you or this recording. It has to do with like

1487
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: me being in a bad mood.

1488
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 2: How is your mood the same? I guess. I was like, sometimes,

1489
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 2: if I'm being honest, when we do these and we

1490
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 2: both start in bad moods, we end in amazing moods.

1491
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:09,800
Speaker 2: And I was like kind of hoping for that, like

1492
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 2: take off, I know, but we will push through. And

1493
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 2: I'm coming to New York next week. We're going to

1494
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 2: start and then you're coming to LA. We're gonna do

1495
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:23,880
Speaker 2: a lot of amazing records.

1496
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to pull up our straighter lab email because

1497
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,679
Speaker 1: there were some written ones, and of course my internet

1498
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 1: is like not loading.

1499
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 2: Oh I can do that. This one is from Toronto.

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01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 1: We can.

1501
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,960
Speaker 2: I can just read it out loud, me to side, Okay.

1502
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 2: I'm taking trans vocal lessons and in these classes usually

1503
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 2: your first assignment is to find out who your voice

1504
01:21:43,080 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 2: inspiration is a celebrity or a podcaster whose tone rasp

1505
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 2: intonation you like to work towards your men? Who's your

1506
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:53,720
Speaker 2: vocal inspiration or if you were to transition mask or

1507
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 2: fem you pick who would it be.

1508
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one.

1509
01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 2: That is a good question.

1510
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: What is yours? This is a fun one to end on.

1511
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 2: Well, this is an interesting one as especially considering our

1512
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:13,120
Speaker 2: voices are our jobs for this podcast currently. And I

1513
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,640
Speaker 2: think it's weird because I've never considered my voice to

1514
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 2: be particularly good like I have, Like when I was

1515
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 2: a kid, I went to like speech therapy because I have,

1516
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 2: like a something in my nasal path is weird that

1517
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 2: makes my voice sound nasally, so I had to like

1518
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 2: go to speech therapy to like it' stop talking like

1519
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:35,920
Speaker 2: this and and so I'm like, I even feel like

1520
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 2: what I do already is put on, but I don't

1521
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 2: know how. I think it's sort of like a I

1522
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 2: also think you have a potentially interesting answer similar because

1523
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 2: I had, like, because I moved around to different regions

1524
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 2: of the US, I never like got one accent. Like

1525
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 2: there was a point when I was in Midwest long

1526
01:22:55,360 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 2: enough where I got a Midwestern accent, but then I

1527
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 2: moved and but I never picked up like a Southern accent.

1528
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 2: So I'm just like this sort of vague, but I

1529
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 2: don't know what my voice fantasy would be.

1530
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:10,920
Speaker 1: Do you have one? I know it's I don't. I

1531
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 1: The dream, of course, is like a neutral voice that

1532
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 1: only sounds slightly sophisticated, because you don't because it's so

1533
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: easy to sound either quote too gay or too like pretentious,

1534
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:26,600
Speaker 1: like there is just anytime you're expressing an opinion in

1535
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: an audio mode, it's easy to become obnoxious or sound condescending,

1536
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: or sound like you're way too sure of yourself. This

1537
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 1: is I m'd say it's a humiliating thing. But I

1538
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:42,560
Speaker 1: think that because both of us have listened to this

1539
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 1: slave culture gap fest semi ironically for the last ten years,

1540
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 1: I do think often I will emulate Stephen Metcalf's vocal patterns.

1541
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, or at least attempt to.

1542
01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 1: I would say that it would be really nice for

1543
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: me to have a vote goal, because what ends up

1544
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: happening with me is there are so many people that

1545
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,800
Speaker 1: don't want to sound like that. I'm constantly having to

1546
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: find my I'm constantly finding myself going a little too

1547
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: far in a direction I don't want to and then

1548
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 1: bringing it back such that I end up having an

1549
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 1: almost monotone, boring voice because I don't want to sound

1550
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:24,680
Speaker 1: like too much like one or other person. And so

1551
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: this is definitely true and stand up. Yeah, Like, there

1552
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: are just certain other gay comedians that it is easy

1553
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: to emulate if you allow yourself. I think for straight people,

1554
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 1: so many of them fall into John Mulaney, so many

1555
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 1: of them fall into Luis c. K, so many of

1556
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 1: them fall into like like Bill Burr, like it's it's

1557
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 1: such a thing, or even like a lot of old

1558
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:58,600
Speaker 1: comedians will fall into Maria Bamford. Yeah. Yeah, so so

1559
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:00,599
Speaker 1: it would be nice. It would be nice to have

1560
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: a vocal a vocal goal. Okay, I'll say this.

1561
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:11,040
Speaker 2: Is okay, here we go, let's hear it. I can't wait.

1562
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:12,679
Speaker 1: Wait, did you have something you wanted to say?

1563
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 2: Well, I was gonna say that. Ever since I've moved

1564
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:16,760
Speaker 2: to LA and of course I've been listening to How

1565
01:25:16,760 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 2: Long Gone constantly, I do find myself butchering it up

1566
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:23,640
Speaker 2: a little bit more. Really, yeah, I hear myself like

1567
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 2: say more mask things that are like like I have

1568
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 2: like a little cadence of like slightly butcher.

1569
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, like like like.

1570
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:37,560
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of like it was hard to

1571
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 2: think of an example, but I do find myself like

1572
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 2: almost like it's sort of like a you're gonna want

1573
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 2: to go ahead and do that like that type of thing. Yeah,

1574
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 2: where it's it's not fully like I'm not pretending to

1575
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 2: be straight, but it is like a little bit of

1576
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 2: a straight eye cadence that I've picked up from listening

1577
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 2: to them.

1578
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 1: Do you listen to Doom Scroll?

1579
01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 2: No?

1580
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: So it's the it's a it's an interview show. The

1581
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:04,680
Speaker 1: host name is Joshua Ciderella. He like used to be

1582
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: an artist or maybe sell identify an artists I know,

1583
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: but is also does this podcast. He's had good people.

1584
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: Actually Grimes was just randomly just on it this way.

1585
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,360
Speaker 1: But he has what I would describe as like a

1586
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: truly like neutral male voice. It's like not too mask

1587
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: and not too gay, and I almost think that's like

1588
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,080
Speaker 1: best case scenario. And I think, honestly, and I'm sorry,

1589
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:33,799
Speaker 1: if he's listening, it makes him sound a little less

1590
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 1: confident in what he's saying in a little and even

1591
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 1: sometimes a little less smart because he isn't like doming

1592
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 1: the interviewee, which I think is nice. It's nice to

1593
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:49,879
Speaker 1: have a sense of curiosity and not immediately know exactly

1594
01:26:49,960 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 1: what you want to say. And it's almost like the

1595
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 1: less harmful, the less harmful version of like THEO Vaughn

1596
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,160
Speaker 1: doing that but being like a complete moron.

1597
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

1598
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:05,559
Speaker 1: So I guess that would be one of my vocal

1599
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:07,640
Speaker 1: vocal role models.

1600
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 2: I definitely also when we started this podcast, I remember

1601
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 2: being like that being more of a pressing issue of

1602
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 2: being like how do we want to sound?

1603
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 1: I know, but then you just sort of like find

1604
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 1: all into a pattern.

1605
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was like I remember like always joking

1606
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 2: at the beginning and being like, we're being Mark Mayeron,

1607
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 2: We're being Pete Holmes, We're being.

1608
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:32,560
Speaker 1: I know, we were so self aware parentheses derogatory sometimes

1609
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: like there was just I was so petrified of coming

1610
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 1: across as either stupid or unoriginal or whatever. And you

1611
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 1: just gotta gotta have faith that like on average, you're

1612
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 1: occasionally saying some insightful things.

1613
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,960
Speaker 2: God. I also just.

1614
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 1: Want to say, just because this color is talking about transitioning,

1615
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: we get a lot of calls from callers who are transitioning.

1616
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 1: I will say it. And we had another one that

1617
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:05,520
Speaker 1: was a trans guy that is wondering if he should,

1618
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: like he's a gay trans guy, and he's wondering if

1619
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 1: he needs to abandon indie rock because he needs to

1620
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,600
Speaker 1: get into pop girlies because he's a gay guy. And

1621
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: I just want to say, no, you should. It's cool

1622
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: to like being a gay guy who likes indie rock.

1623
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 1: I think is honestly one of the most ethical things

1624
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: you can be at this moment in time.

1625
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:26,680
Speaker 2: I completely disagree.

1626
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,480
Speaker 1: Wow, really.

1627
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 2: I think you have to like let go of indie

1628
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 2: rock for like five years and like be the dumb

1629
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 2: gay guy you've heard about in the stories, and then

1630
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 2: you have to find your way back home like once

1631
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 2: you've fully immersed yourself. Yeah, I think it like hits

1632
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 2: harder when you like let go of the wall and

1633
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 2: are sort of like you'll never forget the indie rock

1634
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 2: and you can always you can always revisit and it

1635
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 2: will come back around. But to make the full commitment

1636
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:04,839
Speaker 2: to the like and also just like you'll find yourself

1637
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:08,680
Speaker 2: being like well to have a conversation with these like

1638
01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 2: random gig guys I just met, I do actually need

1639
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:15,759
Speaker 2: to know like what Sabrina Carpenter's fifth album was about,

1640
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 2: like rather than the one before, Short and Sweet, like,

1641
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 2: and so you find yourself like becoming encyclopedic about that,

1642
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 2: and I think it's a helpful tool. And then one

1643
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 2: day you'll you know, you'll go back home.

1644
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 1: Do you find yourself having constant conversations about pop stars

1645
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 1: outside of this podcast? Literally yes, Okay, because I don't,

1646
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,120
Speaker 1: and it's it's actually always like, actually, something I've really

1647
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: like appreciated and enjoyed about our time together is that,

1648
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 1: like I because I know it's something we're going to

1649
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,400
Speaker 1: talk about I'm becoming more informed, but I don't feel

1650
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,120
Speaker 1: like with the other gay en in my life, that's

1651
01:29:56,160 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 1: like one of the main topics.

1652
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 2: It's kind of like like drag Race, where of like

1653
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 2: at this point, I watch it in the same way

1654
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:06,679
Speaker 2: that like I think many straight men watch sports, where

1655
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 2: it's like I just need to be able to have

1656
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 2: a conversation with like the gig guy I just met.

1657
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's true. Well, oh and by the way,

1658
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: another thing we keep getting calls about is our thoughts

1659
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:23,600
Speaker 1: on marriage and open relationships, and I'm kind of like, hmmm.

1660
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 2: No, yeah, and mostly I have to agree.

1661
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's pretty much it. I enjoyed the question

1662
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:42,879
Speaker 1: that asked us if you got paid seven thousand dollars

1663
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: every time you gave Zach Braf a concussion, how many

1664
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 1: concussions would you give him.

1665
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 2: Enough concussions to have three million dollars?

1666
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 1: That's right, and rest in power, Zach Braf.

1667
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 2: Not because I particularly hate him. It's just a cruel,

1668
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 2: cruel world we live in, and of all the ways

1669
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 2: to make three million dollars, that's almost more ethical.

1670
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 1: It is a little bit like you would harm fewer

1671
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 1: people literally you would only in fact harm Zach Braff,

1672
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,519
Speaker 1: who's had a pretty long, in full life, full career.

1673
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 1: He got to Dave Florence Pew.

1674
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 2: That must have been fun.

1675
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: That must have been great. Not a lot of people

1676
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:19,840
Speaker 1: can say that. No, he was in a hit show.

1677
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 1: He got to literally become an indie Darling filmmaker.

1678
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 2: For a while. He pretty much invented the shins.

1679
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 1: He invented the shins and invented the idea of a

1680
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 1: manic Dixie dream girl. There's enough. If Zach Braff died

1681
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:36,680
Speaker 1: of thirty five million concussions tomorrow, there would be so

1682
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 1: much in his oh bit.

1683
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,880
Speaker 2: People would be and people it honestly would be good

1684
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:44,200
Speaker 2: for his career because he could be like like that.

1685
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 2: People would come back around, because people really don't like

1686
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 2: him right now in a way that as soon as

1687
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:53,120
Speaker 2: he were to get thirty five million concussions, he would

1688
01:31:53,160 --> 01:31:56,799
Speaker 2: be like a fucking saint. Move over, Charlie Kirk.

1689
01:31:57,080 --> 01:31:59,600
Speaker 1: No, completely, it would be. It would it would be

1690
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: the chart crcification of Zach Braff, and people would you know,

1691
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: Garden State is not a great movie, but it's good

1692
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: enough that people can read it like if he died,

1693
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, young people who didn't live through the Manic

1694
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:14,680
Speaker 1: Pixie Dream Wars would reclaim it and be like, this

1695
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: is actually like really aesthetic. Yeah, that's what they would say.

1696
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 1: They would say, that's really aesthetic, that's really aesthetic.

1697
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Manic Pixie Dream Wars is one of that's an

1698
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 2: amazing sentence.

1699
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 1: I mean it's true that was the original Girl Boss.

1700
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 1: You know, they keep inventing archetypes so they can tear

1701
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 1: women down.

1702
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:33,680
Speaker 2: George, I have to sincerely apologize about what because I

1703
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 2: was really against the Zach Braff question and that was

1704
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 2: my favorite one.

1705
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 1: Well, this is and I don't want to like create

1706
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: more drama. But but that's why I was like confused.

1707
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 1: I was like, you're not attracted to the fun ones.

1708
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 2: That's not that it's I was sort of like, he

1709
01:32:51,439 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 2: can I okay, sometimes we also need to stop. We

1710
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:56,280
Speaker 2: literally need to stop. This is a This is an

1711
01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 2: interesting exploration. Sometimes when people and shout out to the caller,

1712
01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 2: nothing but love, nothing but respect, But when a call

1713
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 2: is trying too hard to be funny, I get turned off.

1714
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 1: Sure, no, I get it, and you're saying your happy

1715
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:14,160
Speaker 1: medium is what movie would win. Charlie and Oscar because

1716
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 1: it's funny enough. But it's not like I'm the joker

1717
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 1: on stage with my notebook doing stand up in Todd

1718
01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:22,160
Speaker 1: Phillips as the joker, exactly.

1719
01:33:23,240 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 2: Exactly.

1720
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 1: That's fair.

1721
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 2: But what I forget is when I don't love a question,

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Speaker 2: I can almost answer it with more disdain and more

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01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:37,639
Speaker 2: abandoned because it's less pressure.

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01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 1: And and that's the other thing with like the non

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01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: pop culture ones, because I don't want to be part

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01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 1: of a discourse.

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01:33:46,160 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 2: Honey, you believe in discourse you're in.

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01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to.

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01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 2: I don't want to.

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01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:56,240
Speaker 1: So that's it.

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01:33:56,360 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 2: Like this episode is amazing, of course I agree, it's

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01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 2: going to be not amazing for our editor, shout out sorry,

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01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 2: and other than that, thanks for listening, thanks for calling.

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Speaker 1: And in conclusion, Sam, I was just wondering, what is

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01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: a piece of media you loved in your youth that

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01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 1: you now hate nothing.

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01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 2: I the little boy that loved whatever was right, and

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01:34:21,960 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 2: while I'm not able to appreciate it now, it meant

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01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:29,160
Speaker 2: something then. And I guess I would have to say.

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01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,280
Speaker 2: You know, I will say I was gas lit by

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01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 2: some things as a child.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, is I said that as a joke,

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01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 1: so we would end there. But I love that you're

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01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:37,799
Speaker 1: answering question because.

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01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:41,760
Speaker 2: I never liked you liked I never liked Flubber. I

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01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 2: was gaslate and just having to tell people that I

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01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 2: like Flubber. I never liked Flubber.

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01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:47,720
Speaker 1: You know, this morning I had breakfast with my dear

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01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: friend Jenna. She goes, she was like, it's like she

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01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 1: was talking about something else, and she goes, it's like,

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01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 1: how I hate Robin Williams. And I was like, excuse me,

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01:34:59,720 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: that's crazy.

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01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 2: What was her take?

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01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:03,000
Speaker 1: Did she say? I don't know, but I think it's

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01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 1: like he's doing too much and it like, which I get,

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01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 1: and that's of course your first one's first reaction to

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01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 1: Robin Williams. Then you have to like move past that

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01:35:13,200 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 1: in order to like understand his genius. But I guess,

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01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 1: but I do think Flebber because you know, just on

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01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: a script level, there's not much happening there. It is

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01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 1: just him doing too much.

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Speaker 2: No, that movie I went and saw in the theaters

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01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 2: and it was that thing where you're a little kid

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01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 2: and you're like, I know, I should have liked that more.

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01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna say I liked this.

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01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, here's the thing. When we were little kids,

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01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 1: seeing Robin Williams, Jim Carrey and Eddie Murphy overact could

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01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:45,839
Speaker 1: be scary. Yeah that's scary.

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01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:47,080
Speaker 2: That's a lot for a child.

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01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:49,559
Speaker 1: That's an adult man doing all that.

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01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:53,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not right, that's not okay.

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01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:58,759
Speaker 1: Those actors are not safe for children. Those actors should

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01:35:58,760 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 1: be for adults.

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01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 2: The actor should be for adults. And then the other

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01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 2: one I want to say is this is going to

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01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 2: be really controversial, but I can't stop thinking it. I

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01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:12,080
Speaker 2: love Spice World as a child. I think Spice World

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01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 2: has some amazing alt comedy bits and it's really impressive

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01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:17,840
Speaker 2: that the level of humor they were working with. But

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01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 2: when you rewatch it, it is long as fuck. No,

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01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 2: it's bad, and they should make a compilation of all

1782
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 2: the amazing bits in it and cut out all that

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01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 2: fucking filler.

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01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 1: Spicer wyl would be an amazing movie to cut into

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01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 1: vertical videos that are shareable online and if anyone over

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01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:36,680
Speaker 1: there is.

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01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:39,639
Speaker 2: Thinking, and according to our Joe Sunday interview, the youth

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01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 2: needs it.

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01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 1: And I just want to say people are feel free

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01:36:46,400 --> 01:36:49,160
Speaker 1: to stop commenting on that specific video. I think we've

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01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 1: heard all the takes we need and by the way,

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01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:52,759
Speaker 1: none of you are funny.

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01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:58,800
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