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Speaker 2: This is media Mash, a roundtable of Cowboys insiders trumping

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Speaker 2: wisdom and offering sizzling takes on the current state of

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Speaker 2: your Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: Now your host new He scrugs.

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Speaker 4: Here we are media Mash. It's April.

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Speaker 2: We're getting closer and closer to the NFL Draft. I'm new,

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Speaker 2: He scrugs. There's the Hall of Famer Edwarder. We've got

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Speaker 2: Jacques Taylor in the house with his National championship. Get

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Speaker 2: it's I don't know about you, Ed, You're wearing short sleeves.

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Speaker 2: I'm wearing short sleeves. I'm wearing a T shirt.

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Speaker 5: But see this is this is this is purposefulick. I

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Speaker 5: spend much of the day as president of the jj

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Speaker 5: T Media Group working in coffee shops. I've learned any

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Speaker 5: Tywars T shirt, you freeze, so you could always take

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Speaker 5: the sweatshirt off. In this case, I won't, but you

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Speaker 5: can always take it off, but you can never have

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Speaker 5: it if you need it.

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Speaker 2: Is Mama used to say, well, you know, you know, Chris,

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Speaker 2: being producer, keeps it room tempt so you're gonna be

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Speaker 2: good in here.

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Speaker 3: Good.

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Speaker 2: But I wasn't coming from the crib man, some of them,

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Speaker 2: some of us working me. We got to work out day.

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Speaker 3: Take it off now.

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Speaker 5: But you won't if you understand, show these guns. I

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Speaker 5: get arrested out here.

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Speaker 4: Where's our fourth where's our fourth guy?

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Speaker 1: There's Clarence.

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Speaker 6: He's stuck an ass somewhere. Man, there's more time for us.

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Speaker 6: He's an interesting traveler. He doesn't know he's late until

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Speaker 6: he lands.

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Speaker 1: Apparently, you know.

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Speaker 5: I tried to I tried to say, maybe maybe the

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Speaker 5: WiFi was messed up on the plane. But some people

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Speaker 5: in here don't believe he would have bought the WiFi.

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Speaker 1: He wants us to pay forty one dollars.

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Speaker 4: All city Dallas would have bought it.

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Speaker 3: Maybe, maybe not.

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Speaker 4: He's not gonna buy it.

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Speaker 6: But the show goes on after after yesterday, though, after

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Speaker 6: all the material that was produced at the breakers.

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Speaker 3: Was looking for him.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Clarence was right there. He justified any expense

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Speaker 6: you might have submitted with a Jerry Jones comments yesterday

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Speaker 6: that creates a created such a ruckus around the league.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Ed, let's start right there, Ye start right let's

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Speaker 2: start right there.

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Speaker 4: Gerald Wayne Jones.

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Speaker 2: Making sure it gets to the microphones and lets us

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Speaker 2: know his opinions here that Michael Parsons in the negotiating

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Speaker 2: this framework, it's.

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Speaker 1: Like bonus the blueprint.

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Speaker 4: It's the guarantees term agent, who who, Davy who? I

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Speaker 4: don't need him?

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Speaker 1: DAVEA?

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Speaker 3: Who's that? Who's he? Who's he?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Yes? Which?

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Speaker 2: So ed you? You you've been a beat writer, Jock.

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Speaker 2: You've been a beat writer before you guys did the

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Speaker 2: TV thing, so you understand the depths and the day

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Speaker 2: to day stuff. Dealing with Jerry Jones, what is he

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Speaker 2: trying to say when he says that.

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Speaker 6: I don't really know what purpose is served by insulting

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Speaker 6: the owner and making himself look bad by association. I mean,

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Speaker 6: if Jerry really doesn't know the name of the agent

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Speaker 6: who's done some of the most historic contracts in the

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Speaker 6: NFL and represents one of the three best players on

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Speaker 6: your roster, Like, doesn't that indict him as a general

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Speaker 6: manager not to know the identity of that person. Look,

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Speaker 6: I think it's fine that Jerry, you know, has a

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Speaker 6: relationship with his players as superstars. He always has. It's

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Speaker 6: fine that he has him in and talks contracts with him.

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Speaker 6: But there's no reason to diss a prominent agent that

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Speaker 6: you're going to have to do business with at the

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Speaker 6: end of the day. And I mean, obviously it was

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Speaker 6: such an issue that Mike had decided to go public

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Speaker 6: with an endorsement of his agent and say, there's not

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Speaker 6: going to be any backdoor deals. I hired this guy

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Speaker 6: because he's an expert, and I plan on using his

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Speaker 5: The only thing I thought right away was, well, that's

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Speaker 5: gonna cost you another million or two. And the next

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Speaker 5: thing is, can't you just see is Mike sayin that contray, Uh,

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Speaker 5: mugga led of saying.

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Speaker 3: What's my name? What's my name? What's my name?

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Speaker 4: I'll leave? Can't you see that?

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Speaker 6: Uh?

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Speaker 3: I mean I thought it was ridiculous. Man.

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Speaker 5: He's one of the best agents in the game right now.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, hands down with the deals that

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Speaker 5: he's getting his guys. Uh, he always wins, and to

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Speaker 5: go out of your way to antagonize him just seems

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Speaker 5: bad business to me.

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Speaker 6: You don't know the guy who signed to Shaun Watching

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Speaker 6: to the only fully guaranteed contract owners together.

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Speaker 4: Let's not do this is never happening again.

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Speaker 6: Just signed Antoine Winfield to the highest paid contract for

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Speaker 6: a safety. I signed Derek Stingley and the Texans this

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Speaker 6: offseason to the highest contract for a corner.

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Speaker 5: He's he's that guy right now, and so clearly you

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Speaker 5: know who he is.

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Speaker 3: You're just messing with him man for no good reason.

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Speaker 2: Again, but you've already You've already done a contract with

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Speaker 2: Michael Parsons. You're trying to say, Steven did it and

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Speaker 2: the cap guy did it without nothing. I just and

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Speaker 2: I asked that question because ed famous. So you go

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Speaker 2: back to the whole whole. Hey, anyone of five hundred

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Speaker 2: coaches could do that. He gave you that quote when

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Speaker 2: he was done with Jimmy. But I'm just trying, what's

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Speaker 2: that day when he hits you at that There was

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Speaker 2: a purpose where he was going, and so that was

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Speaker 2: my thoughts. I I gotta ask and tell me the purpose.

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Speaker 2: Ya tell me the purpose of going there at all.

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Speaker 2: There is one other thing you known. Everybody knows. We

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Speaker 2: get old, you feel like you say whatever you want

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Speaker 5: I think Jerry's just why everybody the grandmama talk about

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Speaker 5: your baby.

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Speaker 3: Look at you.

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Speaker 4: You need just little some weight.

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Speaker 5: Your fat because they could say what they want to say.

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Speaker 3: I don't worry about your feelings.

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Speaker 5: Jerry's eighty some years old, he's at this stage now.

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Speaker 5: He said what he wanted to He don't care about

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Speaker 5: your philings.

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Speaker 6: Jerry's always loved for people to know that he has

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Speaker 6: a great relationship, a fatherly type of relationship with the

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Speaker 6: became the owner. I think the thing that got missed

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Speaker 6: in all of this, and to me, which was the

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Speaker 6: bigger news because of Jerry sliding David Mulligetta the way

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Speaker 6: he did, was Jerry saying, I'm gonna hold off on

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Speaker 6: this deal. I mean, there's no sense of urgency here

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Speaker 6: because I want to see if you're going to demonstrate

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Speaker 6: to me the kind of leadership I want if I'm

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Speaker 6: going to pay you what you're asking, which means to

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Speaker 6: me that they're not totally enchanted with what they've seen

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Speaker 6: from Michael Parsons as a leader to this point. And

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Speaker 6: there's clearly a leadership void on the defensive side of

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Speaker 6: the ball at the start of this season, and Mike

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Speaker 6: has always viewed himself as a leader. I'm not sure

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Speaker 6: everybody in the locker room viewed him that way.

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Speaker 1: Huh yeah, right.

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Speaker 5: I asked this question of clans a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 5: Maybe I talked with you guys. Where the Cowboys happy

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Speaker 5: that Mike is going to be their defensive leader?

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Speaker 3: You know? My man child? Right this?

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Speaker 5: It doesn't matter he's I said, well, it does matter

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Speaker 5: if they want him to be. And I always say,

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Speaker 5: like t O was a leader, you're not happy he's

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Speaker 5: a leader. You wish he were not a leader because.

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Speaker 1: He leaves he split the team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, watching Sam Herd of Roy Williams follow following

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Speaker 2: too is not a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Right, So it matters who leadership is.

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Speaker 5: And so I ask you you think the Cowboys are

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Speaker 5: happy that right now he's in a leadership role and

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Speaker 5: there's really nobody to challenge him for that position.

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Speaker 6: I would say there's concerned about it. Given what Jerry

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Speaker 6: said yesterday. My willingness to make you the highest paid

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Speaker 6: that we've talked about in my office multiple times for

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Speaker 6: five or six hours. The reason I gave you the

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Speaker 6: privilege of having my cell phone number is because I

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Speaker 6: want you to be this sort of player if I'm

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Speaker 6: going to invest at that level, So to me, they

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Speaker 6: are not content with it.

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Speaker 1: They do.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there are definitely people in this organization still,

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Speaker 6: not just DeMarcus Lawrence who left or Jordan Lewis who

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Speaker 6: question motiv Micah's motivation, right, I mean, there are people

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Speaker 6: who still think he doesn't want to play within the scheme,

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Speaker 6: that he just wants to get glory and rush the

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Speaker 6: be a team first player, that he needs to be

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Speaker 6: more like Dak like. I think that's what Jerry wants.

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Speaker 6: I think Jerry wants to see Micah be the Dak

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Speaker 6: Prescott of defense. And that means and that means, you

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Speaker 6: come even when you're not happy with your contract, You come,

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Speaker 6: even you come to training camp in the offseason, even

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Speaker 6: when we haven't paid you what you think you're worth.

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Speaker 1: And that's the that's the situation he's in.

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Speaker 6: He's gonna be on the fifth year, final year of

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Speaker 6: his rookie contract. He wants a lucrative, long term deal,

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Speaker 6: and Jerry's basically saying, I want to see you at

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Speaker 6: mini camp. I want to see you at training camp

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Speaker 6: even though you're not signed.

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Speaker 3: Now, you know the problem with that is two things.

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Speaker 5: Number One, quarterbacks don't have to act the fool because

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Speaker 5: ultimately quarterbacks always get their money.

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Speaker 3: And two, dek is an outlier leader.

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Speaker 5: So I mean, it's at one level, it's ridiculous to

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Speaker 5: think that, you know, he's one. If Jerry says he's

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Speaker 5: one of the best leaders I've ever seen on the Cowboys,

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Speaker 5: why you expect Michael to be that.

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Speaker 6: But he he demonstrates what good leadership is. Mike a

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Speaker 6: sees it all the time.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think I think it's more than that.

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Speaker 5: I think he just I think that demonstrates what you know,

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Speaker 5: the one percent of leadership is right.

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Speaker 6: But if you have that kind of example in your

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Speaker 6: locker room, isn't it hard not to emulate that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because it's he's an outlier, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 5: Like his leadership skills are an outlier. He does stuff

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Speaker 5: he does. He has leadership that's natural in the sense

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Speaker 5: of I just do this because I think that's what

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Speaker 5: And I always go back to the point when he

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Speaker 5: was a rookie and I saw him going around passing

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Speaker 5: out candy to the offensive lineman and everybody.

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Speaker 3: Hey, just a little back, Hey, you want.

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Speaker 7: Something to do?

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Speaker 3: And he used to keep a bag in his locker.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's candy.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't really mean anything except that it does, like

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Speaker 5: look at that, all right, And it's just an for him.

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Speaker 5: I think leadership is innate for Michaeh and a lot

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Speaker 5: of players is not in eight because Michael may be

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Speaker 5: like a lot of guys. I want all the money,

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Speaker 5: I want audio wards, but I don't want none of responsibility.

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Speaker 4: Certain guys gotta grow a little bit. I think sometimes

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Speaker 3: To me, he didn't mind the responsibility that came with it.

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Speaker 5: Like responsibility is basic, just like the quarterback when you

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Speaker 5: the questions. You don't dip and be like I'll see

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Speaker 3: That kind of thing.

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Speaker 6: You don't question the work ethics of the head coach

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Speaker 5: Yeah that too, and so he can certainly evolve into

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Speaker 5: I think we should use tongue lashings. My son ever

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Speaker 5: you gotta do a bunch of stuff you don't feel

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Speaker 5: That's voluntary even though you don't want to, because that's

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Speaker 4: So if that is the underlying thing that Jerry's possibly saying,

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Speaker 5: To get just say, hey, dog, we need to see

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Speaker 2: You know, this is what it comes with. Jason ging said,

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Speaker 2: This is what week's OTAs you're here, you're leading setting

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Speaker 4: He gifted, came in there. Look they waiting on Sunday night.

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Speaker 3: And then he batsta, No, you're there early. You show

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Speaker 5: You there as you know before the meeting stuff, just

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Speaker 3: You send it at the tone.

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Speaker 6: It's important because of all of the personnel they've lost

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Speaker 6: to pay him either way. Sure, sure, but I think

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Speaker 4: And that was my next thing.

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Speaker 2: This is the time to go ahead and set the

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Speaker 2: But on the other side, this is what we say

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Speaker 6: You know the other thing I mentioned that you talked

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Speaker 6: I think that's certainly possible. And like I said, there

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Speaker 6: I mean he missed four games. Other players went down

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Speaker 6: and Mica seemed like he really applied himself to get

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Speaker 1: By the time he was healthy again.

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Speaker 2: He wanted his ten digits wanted that, which you know, hey,

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Speaker 2: look that helps the team with That's the old Pete

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Speaker 2: Rose things when somebody said, all Pete Rose cares about

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Speaker 2: is hitting three hundred, get two hundred hits and you know,

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Speaker 2: scoring one hundred runs and guys like at some point

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Speaker 2: in time, don't you think.

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Speaker 3: That's my help?

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Speaker 4: Don't you think I'm gonna help their heads?

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Speaker 2: If you know, yeah, Pete self is his heck, but boy,

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Speaker 2: that's what Pete cares about.

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Speaker 4: That's somewhere along the line, is gonna help you.

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Speaker 2: So if Michael Parsons, hey I need my double sex

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Speaker 2: and he's coming back to play, I just still think,

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Speaker 2: and this is just my opinion.

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Speaker 4: I just still think this is a part of growing up.

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Speaker 2: And everyone does it in their own times, but we

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Speaker 2: should be like that. Ain't that way, man? You'd like

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Speaker 2: it to be, But it's not always that way. But

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Speaker 2: clearly you have a player that's really good. You don't

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Speaker 6: And they've done things almost nobody has done in this

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Speaker 5: I mean, nobody's disputing he's a great player. And because

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Speaker 4: More, and that's where you know, you have to harness

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Speaker 2: And I was I was lucky enough that I was

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Speaker 3: To make him a champion.

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Speaker 2: And we'll see if Brian Schottenheimer come back from the

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Speaker 4: We talked about his relationships with people.

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Speaker 5: You know this, Brian was a great player who couldn't

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Speaker 1: But he's a position.

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Speaker 3: He is a great player, but Michael Levin.

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Speaker 6: Put him at odds with the quarterback and the tight

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Speaker 5: But Michael Levian was a great player, and it was

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Speaker 2: I think where Michael came from the U that program

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Speaker 4: Back to media.

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Speaker 2: Mash media, mash spontsor by nobody working on it here here,

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Speaker 2: two three, they're working on it.

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Speaker 1: That's for Clarence.

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Speaker 3: That the hustle is is that putting it together?

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Speaker 1: Executive producer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the He's the puff daddy of the show.

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Speaker 2: Executive producer. Man all the background, all in the video,

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Speaker 2: all that Hall of Famerede worder. I'm newie scrugs all right,

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Speaker 2: Brian Schottthheimer. So, Brian Schottenheimer, first time head coach out there,

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Speaker 2: you know in.

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Speaker 1: Florida for the national media.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Shot, he's a shot. He's a likable I

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Speaker 2: tell people, you know, cowboy fans. I was in Alabama

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Speaker 2: during the NCAA term. People asking about cowboy fans. I

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Speaker 2: ask him about I said, Shotty is a guy you

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Speaker 2: would like you meet Shot, Brian Schottenheimer, you would like him.

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Speaker 2: He's a likable guy, right, But there's just a lot

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Speaker 2: of unknowns. It's a lot of unknowns. And yes, Marty

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Speaker 2: Schottenheimer was his father, and some people look at that

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Speaker 2: as pluses and some people look at the minus as

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Speaker 2: a Marty personally. I think Marty's a Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: head coach. That's just my opinion.

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Speaker 4: But we will see if he's allowed to do what

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Speaker 4: he does.

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Speaker 2: And he's big on relationships, And that's when I kind

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Speaker 2: of go back into Michael Parsons. What type of relationship

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Speaker 2: can Schottenheimer have and needs to build, especially.

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Speaker 3: Because he's an offensive guy. Mike is a defensive guy.

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Speaker 6: Well, the challenge for him, first of all is to

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Speaker 6: prove he's capable of being a head coach for the

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Speaker 6: first time and pairing a full team and you know,

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Speaker 6: making adjustments during the game and at the same time

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Speaker 6: calling plays on offense for the first time with a Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: He's never done that here before. He done it other places.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, I think he's a guy who will and

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Speaker 6: does prioritize relationships and the importance of that in team building.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he talked about going to all these pro

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Speaker 6: days recently and how his part of that is evaluating,

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Speaker 6: you know, these these players, these prospects as people and

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Speaker 6: how they're going to fit into your system and what

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Speaker 6: you can expect from them and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 6: So I think he'll be good at that part of it,

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Speaker 6: and I think he'll do the same thing on the

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Speaker 6: defensive part of it. Like I've always been impressed from

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Speaker 6: all the time he's been here as an assistant, you know,

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Speaker 6: every Monday, when he comes out and speaks to us

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Speaker 6: about the offense, I thought he's always been very engaging

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Speaker 6: and very detailed in his explanations. He knows how to

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Speaker 6: give the media what the media wants in a way

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Speaker 6: that some head coaches here have not.

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Speaker 1: In the past, and I think it's been.

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Speaker 6: Detrimental to the overall. So I think he'll be great

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Speaker 6: at that part of it, but he's got to prove

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Speaker 6: that he can handle a whole team and manage a game.

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Speaker 6: And you know that's that's more difficult. Some of those

513
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Speaker 6: things are more difficult with the Cowboys than in other

514
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Speaker 6: places because of the unique dynamics in play with this

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Speaker 6: organization and the way it's structured and operates well.

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Speaker 5: I think I think creating relationships with players and coaches

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Speaker 5: is an underrated thing. Like if you see what Dan

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Speaker 5: Campbell has done in Detroit, He's created relationships with his

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Speaker 5: players and they give it back to him by playing

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Speaker 5: as a certain level. But I also think on an

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Speaker 5: individual level, if you have if guys know not just

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Speaker 5: that you care about them, but that you actually know

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Speaker 5: something about them, their wives name, the kids name, they

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Speaker 5: just play harder for you. It's like anything else. When

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Speaker 5: you feel appreciated by your boss. It's not that you say, hey,

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna go do this. You just go, huh, you

527
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Speaker 5: know this will make new happy. I'm finna go do

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Speaker 5: this today. I'm gonna give a little bit more, a

529
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Speaker 5: little bit extra because he teats me right, I want.

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Speaker 3: To make him look good. All those little things come

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Speaker 3: into play. You know.

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Speaker 5: Even as a columnist over the years, one of my

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Speaker 5: big things has always been.

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Speaker 3: We forget that athletes are humans. Like they're like people.

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Speaker 3: They're like like seriously, they're like people.

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Speaker 1: Like people.

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Speaker 5: They got the same most people, you know what I mean, Like,

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Speaker 5: they got the same emotions you got. They get mad,

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Speaker 5: they get happy, they get sad, they get irritated, aggravated,

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Speaker 5: and they got their wife is driving them crazy at

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Speaker 5: the crib because they didn't do something they mama's still

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Speaker 5: asking them for.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they got these real life issues.

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Speaker 5: And if you can buy into that and get to

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Speaker 5: get to really know them and understand. Now that don't

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Speaker 5: mean you can't perform at work, but I understand you

547
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Speaker 5: may have this going on, so blase blase, you can

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Speaker 5: get the most out of them, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 5: to me, Schottenheimer off the Rip seems to be that

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Speaker 5: kind of coach, and Parcels was like.

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Speaker 3: That in a way.

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Speaker 5: Even though he's grough with the media, he was like

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Speaker 5: that with players. He knew everything was going on with them,

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Speaker 5: and so you can have success like that. They still

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Speaker 5: got to perform, but it gives you a chance.

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Speaker 6: And I think he's got relationships with the offensive side

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Speaker 6: of the ball and a strong relationship with the key

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Speaker 6: players on that side.

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Speaker 5: You know, you got to be intentional about it too.

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Speaker 5: It's not it doesn't have to be like some happenstance.

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Speaker 5: You have to be intentional about creating these relationships.

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Speaker 6: But he talks about how he's here all the time,

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Speaker 6: and he you know, spends a lot of time walking

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Speaker 6: the hallways and going to the locker room, going to

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Speaker 6: the weight room, and engaging players in those capacities, which

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Speaker 6: I think is a good thing too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so stay with me here on that, and let's

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Speaker 2: go back into Jason Garrett because I remember he had

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Speaker 2: the relationship and we saw it publicly with Tony Romo,

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Speaker 2: Jason Witt and Marco Murray.

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Speaker 4: I'll show up at Duke.

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Speaker 5: I thought that was dumb and there's too much of

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Speaker 5: a relationship.

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Speaker 2: Boys see him in other events and Mavericks games.

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Speaker 1: No, you can't do socialized.

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Speaker 5: With socialized with a group, but you can't be socialized

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Speaker 5: with a couple of players.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's that's terrible, And.

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Speaker 4: I I heard from some differ still to this day,

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Speaker 4: from some defensive players you should be bringing.

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Speaker 6: Up, man, when some of those players are the same

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Speaker 6: ones who are doing the same thing with the owner,

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Speaker 6: that causes even more problems.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it can't be like that.

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Speaker 9: Man.

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Speaker 5: It's as a coach, you know, you just have to understand, man,

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Speaker 5: you're not boys, You're not friends, because at some points

588
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Speaker 5: you got to make a hard decase. You know, either

589
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Speaker 5: I got to cut you out or I gotta bench you,

590
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Speaker 5: or I gotta cut you.

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Speaker 2: And we can't do that if we boys. No, Garrett

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Speaker 2: didn't do it with Dak Prescott and Tonomo. He did

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Speaker 2: do that that part of it. I give him credit

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Speaker 2: for that.

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Speaker 6: How many rings did that produce over ten years, Championship games?

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Speaker 1: Anything?

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Speaker 3: Hey man, there's a lot of reasons for that. He's

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Speaker 3: one of many coaches.

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Speaker 6: And I think, like I said before, I think Schottenheimer

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Speaker 6: knows how to win the press conference on a regular

601
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Speaker 6: basis that gives you a break, and that was Jason

602
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Speaker 6: was never interested in that for some reason, like he

603
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Speaker 6: would be the way he was, and I think a

604
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Speaker 6: lot of fans were put off by him because he yeah,

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Speaker 6: he was.

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Speaker 1: He was condescending in that. Well, we know things that

607
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Speaker 1: you don't know.

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Speaker 6: You don't know football well enough to judge just no

609
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Speaker 6: matter what that you just watched bad football for three hours.

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Speaker 6: You know, who are you to We know what the

611
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Speaker 6: reality is and you.

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Speaker 1: Don't because you're not a part of it.

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Speaker 6: And then he would step off to the side and

614
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Speaker 6: he would be great right off camera. He was great,

615
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Speaker 6: and he never used that to his advantage. And I'm

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Speaker 6: still be I still ask Babel Offenberg why he didn't

617
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Speaker 6: do that, Like he saw Aikman developed relationships with people

618
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Speaker 6: in the media and Michael and how that benefited them.

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Speaker 1: Why didn't he want that kind of benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 5: That's an interesting point, like you don't have to develop

621
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Speaker 5: you don't have to be like that with everybody.

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Speaker 3: You could pick and choose who you want to be

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Speaker 3: that with.

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Speaker 5: You know, some guys say, okay, they show up in

625
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Speaker 5: time to go, hey, they talked to the PR person,

626
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Speaker 5: who's the most powerful colnist in town. Okay, that's my

627
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Speaker 5: new boy. Or who's the biggest TV personality parcel part Okay,

628
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Speaker 5: that's my new boy. He's a filing galloway. And then

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Speaker 5: I Rick Carlo got hired by the Mavericks. I was

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Speaker 5: working over now ESPO one of three three, and Carlile

631
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Speaker 5: was supposed to be on I was filling in for

632
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Speaker 5: the Galloway show, bring me and Brian Estrich and Carlile

633
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Speaker 5: gets on the phone.

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Speaker 4: Think his Galloway was he was.

635
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Speaker 5: Mad, I can't talk to the big dug call talking dudes,

636
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Speaker 5: but that's what I mean.

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Speaker 4: We were like, sorry, Randy's off, Well let him know, but.

638
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Speaker 1: Tell me when Randy's on, I'll be on them.

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Speaker 2: But Carlile just like he understood, what who are the

640
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Speaker 2: power brokers?

641
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Speaker 3: Who I need to talk to?

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Speaker 6: It It was a decision Jason clearly made because you're

643
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 6: look at him in the media now he's great, right,

644
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 6: he's great again.

645
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Speaker 1: He could have been that as the head coach. He

646
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Speaker 1: chose not to be for whatever reason.

647
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Speaker 2: So part of me wonders, wasn't that sabing factor for

648
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Speaker 2: him at all? Where you know you're around Nick and

649
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Speaker 2: Miami and Saban's got the lanctern and does all that.

650
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Speaker 3: But it could be. But you gotta have some self awayess, man.

651
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Speaker 4: You ain't Nick, right, Nick?

652
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Speaker 3: Nick had out of the National Championships.

653
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Speaker 5: Could you could ask how you want to you Bill Parcells,

654
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Speaker 5: you got super bowls. You've been a chain, you can

655
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Speaker 5: ask how you want to act.

656
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Speaker 2: But we saw that too with belichick assistance when bad

657
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Speaker 2: Patrici was in Detroit. You know, guys were turned off

658
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Speaker 2: by him.

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Speaker 4: So all them cats were like that man except Kingsbury.

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Speaker 2: Kingsbury and every day asked him one time, He's like,

661
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Speaker 2: you gotta win. At least Cliff was self aware that

662
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Speaker 2: I can't do that.

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Speaker 1: O'Connell's not like that. Kevin O'Connell.

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Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connor, good boy.

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Speaker 2: I two guys I was really wrong on It's Kevin O'Connell,

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Speaker 2: Dan camp I thought both like like this this and

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Speaker 2: I have been been drastically wrong and both guys.

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Speaker 5: That's how Campbell would work man, just because he had

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Speaker 5: been long time assistants with guys who know how to

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Speaker 5: get it done. He's off the party and he had,

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Speaker 5: but he didn't have that arrogance about it. I mean,

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Speaker 5: he had the right personality with guys who got it done.

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Speaker 2: He just sounded so much at first, like you know,

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Speaker 2: like goober, it sounded like one of these guys are

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Speaker 2: cutting the wrestling gromo.

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Speaker 4: You gotta pint. You just watched next week a Summer Slam.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna be biting off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Now, Q would be hell on a elass.

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Speaker 5: Would that last for a long time or would that

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Speaker 5: be like the four and out program, five and out program.

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Speaker 4: I mean, one thing we do know this, he changed

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Speaker 4: the culture in Detroit.

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah.

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Speaker 2: The general manager Brad Holmes, he's got some sensational talent.

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Speaker 2: And whatever they're doing there, the GM and the head

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Speaker 2: coach know what they want. They're getting those kinds of players.

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Speaker 2: Those players have bought in, and that looks like a

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Speaker 2: team is going to be a contender here for the

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Speaker 2: next three to four years.

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Speaker 6: They haven't taken advantage of great opportunities they've created for

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Speaker 6: themselves the last two years. Either they were the number

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Speaker 6: one seed, they lost the first game at home to

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Speaker 6: a wild card Washington team with a rookie quarterback. And

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Speaker 6: now Dan Campbell's lost his two coordinators to head coaching

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Speaker 6: positions in the NFL, so that's a new challenge for him.

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Speaker 6: But sorry, Schottenheimer goes. I think the other things that

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Speaker 6: impressed me that he talked about at the owners meetings

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Speaker 6: were the importance of, you know, developing a meritocracy here

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Speaker 6: that you were in your playing time, that it's competitive

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Speaker 6: every day in practice, which I think comes from Pete

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Speaker 6: Pete Carroll. That's the way he was in Seattle when

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Speaker 6: he created those super Bowl teams up there. I think

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Speaker 6: I think that rubbed off and impressed Schottenheimer, and he'll

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Speaker 6: implement that here. He also talked about how, in his mind,

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Speaker 6: you build teams from the outside in yes, which was

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Speaker 6: kind of an interesting It.

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Speaker 4: Is, but isn't that Well, he's not wrong in that

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Speaker 4: if you.

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Speaker 5: The highest bag receiver on the perimeter, why because you

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Speaker 5: score touchdowns on the perimeter or na either you score

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Speaker 5: touchdowns on the perimeter or you prevent touchdowns from being scored.

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Speaker 1: Game changing plays are made by those players.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that makes sense.

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Speaker 6: But then at the same time he talks about the

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Speaker 6: need to dominate the line of scrimmage, you know, if

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Speaker 6: you're gonna win in this division, and that's going to

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Speaker 6: be you know, part of our purpose and our mantra

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Speaker 6: is going to be that. So I'm not sure how

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Speaker 6: rusher with at least their first pick.

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Speaker 2: segment edwards, here's Jacques Taylor's here, Clarence Hill. Maybe he'll

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Speaker 2: do it us next time around. I hope. I can't

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Speaker 2: make any guarantees, but everyone's had ample time to talk

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Speaker 2: and not get stepped on.

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Speaker 4: And that's been really fun so far in the show.

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Speaker 4: Just just saying, you're.

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Speaker 6: Not saying that never happens when he's here. It just

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Speaker 4: It just didn't happen today.

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Speaker 1: Coincidentally, Clarence is not here.

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Speaker 5: Figureverybody got the really really really we're really doing it?

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, really doing it? You are really doing here?

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Speaker 3: All right? Wide receiver, get one for more.

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Speaker 2: I heard Mingo talk again during this owners Mingo's name

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Speaker 2: was brought up as though as though they were expecting

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Speaker 2: to think.

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Speaker 6: He's the first pick of the draft for them. They've

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Speaker 6: already got him on the roster.

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Speaker 5: The thing about Mingo is they traded a fourth round

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Speaker 5: pick for Mingo. Okay, and then I think it was

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Speaker 5: Stephen who said, yeah, we're looking for an explosive number two.

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Speaker 3: What you trade for that dude for them?

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Speaker 10: Man?

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Speaker 1: If he's not that guy.

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Speaker 3: If he's not that, what you what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: So?

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Speaker 2: All right, this is how I I'm glad you bringed that,

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Speaker 2: because this is just how I'm thinking. So by you

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Speaker 2: saying that means if Tech mc millan's there twelve, you'll

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Speaker 2: probably pass on him and you probably go for the

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Speaker 2: kid Golding from Texas because you want some speed.

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Speaker 3: Are we just telegraphing what we want to do?

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Speaker 5: That kind of sounds like it knowing the cowboys? But

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Speaker 5: that being said, I mean, I'm good with either one

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Speaker 5: of them. It's it's what cause say, it's a flavor

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Speaker 5: of ice cream, whatever you like.

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Speaker 6: I wonder how many receivers there are that they think

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Speaker 6: are worth the twelfth pick.

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Speaker 3: In the draft.

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Speaker 5: That's a great question because in most years there's like sixteen,

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Speaker 5: eighteen first round picks. This is being kind of like

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Speaker 5: a bad draft from that perspective, So maybe there's only

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Speaker 5: twelve or fourteen true first round picks. And I wonder,

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Speaker 5: I'm with you, I wonder which receivers are first round picks.

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Speaker 3: On the board.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting, there don't seem to be a lot

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Speaker 6: of receivers who if people view or rate as first

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Speaker 6: round picks. But at the combine, ten receivers ran the

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Speaker 6: forty in four to four or less, which is the

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Speaker 6: most at any combine since two thousand and three. So

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Speaker 6: there's some speed at the position, and that's what I

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Speaker 6: think the Cowboys prioritize here rather than the size of

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Speaker 6: the player. Now, McMillan is a is an acrobatic player.

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Speaker 6: He's got an incredible catch radius, scores touchdowns, doesn't create

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Speaker 6: a lot of separation, doesn't necessarily have great speed. I

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Speaker 6: think he timed pretty well. I think he timed in

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Speaker 6: four or five something for his size.

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Speaker 1: It's not bad.

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Speaker 3: You want the guy who can create the most big

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Speaker 3: plays for you, is.

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Speaker 6: That golden Golden ran four two nine and consistently creates separation.

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Speaker 1: But he's not as big. He's not a.

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Speaker 3: How big is he is? He six something?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he's sick something that'll take it. And

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Speaker 6: then you got the Ohio State guy.

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Speaker 3: But he's not a he's my boy.

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Speaker 1: He's six one two oh two.

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Speaker 3: But he's not a big play guy. He's not a twelve.

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Speaker 3: He's not twelve. No, he's not. He's not.

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Speaker 5: He's not creating separation for him. I mean, he's a

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Speaker 5: really good route runner. But he's I don't view him

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Speaker 5: as a guy in the league. He's gonna make a

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Speaker 5: bunch of big plays, so he's gonna be really good.

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Speaker 3: And that not like that.

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Speaker 1: Golden makes a lot of twenty yard plays.

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Speaker 5: That's the and he may make more if if he's

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Speaker 5: got seed getting double covered on the other side and

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Speaker 5: he's got one on one.

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Speaker 6: But I think I think that is a justifiable priority

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Speaker 6: for this team going into the draft. As much as

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Speaker 6: they talk about they need a running back, which they do,

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Speaker 6: there's depth of that position. I think unquestionably that they

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Speaker 6: can get good players later. Now if Gent falls there,

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Speaker 6: I think you got to take him. I mean, he

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Speaker 6: seems like he's a one of the five or five

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Speaker 6: to seven total blue chip players in this draft.

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Speaker 5: It's a deal man. I've said as many times. I'm

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Speaker 5: gonna say it one more time. Cavan Turpin cannot be

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Speaker 5: your second best offensive player, your most you know, your

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Speaker 5: big play guy. He just can't. He needs to be

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Speaker 5: like your fourth or your fifth guy. Right then you

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Speaker 5: got something going so we all or or we all

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Speaker 5: cover the game enough.

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Speaker 2: When when Al Davis is around with when they believe

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Speaker 2: speed kills, Al was about that speed. That was his

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Speaker 2: thing here and we've seen Andy Reid really go with

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Speaker 2: it at Kansas City and having Tyreek Hill. They moved

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Speaker 2: out Tyreek Hill. And now last year they used the

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Speaker 2: first round pick. You're worthy from shape Rice, right, so

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Speaker 2: he's looking.

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Speaker 4: For that speed there.

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Speaker 2: And when you got an all pro receiver in Ceedee Lamb. Yes,

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Speaker 2: here's a different one. They tried it with Brandon Cooks.

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Speaker 2: They could not get it happy name. Part of it

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Speaker 2: was health and just discot with a bad scheme.

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Speaker 4: But you know with with and I've just used Golden's name.

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Speaker 2: If you're talking about that and listening to what they

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Speaker 2: said in terms of okay, you think, well, we got

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Speaker 2: big body Mingo, we got CD Lamb.

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Speaker 4: And here's a third guy. We've got three different types

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Speaker 4: of Jalen Tolbert.

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Speaker 1: He's a bigger guy right at receiver.

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Speaker 5: And Tolbert has flashed a little bit, not it, not consistently,

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Speaker 5: but he's enough.

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Speaker 4: To be a two level. No, he was going to

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Speaker 4: be a two you'd know that by now.

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Speaker 5: No, but he's shown enough that Okay, now he can

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Speaker 5: make a play for you on a given day.

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Speaker 4: Give me what Michael Gallap was when he had when

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Speaker 4: he was you know, you.

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Speaker 5: Kill if he was Michael Gallup. Michael Gallip was a

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Speaker 5: good player, right, Gilbert is solid. He ain't good yet.

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Speaker 2: If you have a McMillan.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's surprising to me how many times, given

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Speaker 6: how they view and value Dak Prescott, how many times

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Speaker 6: they've shortened him at receiver in the course of his career.

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Speaker 5: They've really only had the one year where they where

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Speaker 5: they where they had had Cooper c D and a

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Speaker 5: productive Gallop, right, and that I think.

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Speaker 3: They did pretty well at you.

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Speaker 1: They won the division that year. That's me and a

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Speaker 1: playoff game.

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Speaker 2: So just this conversation right here, receiver at twelve, running

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Speaker 2: back and round two.

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Speaker 1: Sure if the right ones there, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Actually, I would say depends on the corner situation. If

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Speaker 5: I get a corner in two and there's a running

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Speaker 5: back in three, I might go that wrap. If there's

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Speaker 5: not a worthy corner, then yeah, I'll go take the running.

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Speaker 3: Back in two.

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Speaker 4: They've got options, and just in talking in terms of

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Speaker 4: just received.

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Speaker 3: Let's you know, get trade options if needs.

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Speaker 2: And like both both yes, and I still wonder if

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Speaker 2: if a trade down doesn't come into play, to try

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Speaker 2: to because you've lost the four if you trade down

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Speaker 2: to try to recoup it.

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Speaker 6: Work well last year for him they moved down. Somebody

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Speaker 6: wants to come a starting center out of the deal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So so I just I just wonder. We saw

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Speaker 2: it with with the Michael Parsons, we saw with Roy Williams.

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Speaker 2: So it's not something that Jerry won't do. But but I.

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Speaker 5: Could see them trading done because now, obviously in the draft,

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Speaker 5: like the should go well really, but you also go

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Speaker 5: there at twelve and if there's fourteen first round picks

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Speaker 5: and one of the you know, both quarterbacks go, maybe

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Speaker 5: somebody like Jackson Dart who's not kind of in that

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Speaker 5: group that you think goes some player that somebody covets

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Speaker 5: could drop and be like, oh, I didn't know he's

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Speaker 5: gonna be there, Let's go get him. So I could

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Speaker 5: see them having a couple opportunities to move down.

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Speaker 2: Look, it's gonna be interesting, guys, it's gonna be very interesting.

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Speaker 2: Draft is coming here, and Michael Parsons caught get it done.

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Speaker 1: Just not getting good done, just get Eventually it'll get done.

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Speaker 3: You know, as Mama Wa was said, it's too much

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Speaker 3: like doing right.

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Speaker 1: It's July. It's gonna be a July thing. Things to

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Speaker 1: do in.

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Speaker 4: July, Okay, And so then he's not here for Ota.

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Speaker 1: No, he'll be here because he wants to get that contract.

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Speaker 4: And but what he wants to see but he ain't

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Speaker 4: gonna be working out.

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Speaker 1: Why not?

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Speaker 6: He's under contract, Eba flu would love to see Jerry.

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Speaker 6: That's Jerry's thinking. Jerry always says there's no urgency. There's

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Speaker 6: no urgency in his mind if the player has a

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Speaker 6: contract for the upcoming season.

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Speaker 1: That's the way he sees it.

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Speaker 6: He says that about every one of these guys that

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Speaker 6: is under contract for the next season, there's no urgency.

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Speaker 6: I got him under contract. Same thing with McCarthy Letcher.

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Speaker 6: Why do I need to worry? I got him under contract.

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Speaker 3: That worked out. Interesting way to do business.

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