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Speaker 1: Warning, today's episode can dave spoilers for the films of

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Speaker 1: James Cameron. Not really, We're just gonna talk about the

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Speaker 1: synopsis and then hopefully you will watch them because these

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Speaker 1: are excellent movies for the most part. Hello, my name

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Speaker 1: is Jamesconcepcion. Came on Rosey Night and welcome back to

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Speaker 1: ExpertVision of the podcast where we dive deep it's your favorite shows, movies,

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Speaker 1: comic book, pop, cultry, governy from Myra Podcast.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are going to be joined by

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Speaker 2: our super producer, Screen Queen and cinephile Joel Monique to

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Speaker 2: talk about the legacy of James Cameron's incredible career to

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Speaker 2: get you prepared for Avatar, Fire and Ash, which we

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna discuss Rosie, the film of James Cameron,

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Speaker 1: one of the most impactful, influential, and successful tours of

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Speaker 1: going to start by running down his notable crew work.

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Speaker 1: He was a set designer, a special effects expert on

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Speaker 1: Then we're going to go to his feature films. We're

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Speaker 1: rank them out of five submarines for James's love of

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Speaker 1: the submersible pop back. Then we're gonna throw to our

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Speaker 1: super producer Jewel, who's going to tell us a fun

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Speaker 1: fact about these movies. Are you ready to start? Rosie?

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Speaker 1: First up in the works of James Cameron Exogenesis from

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy directed by James Cameron. This is a short.

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Speaker 1: He was the director of, the writer, the producer, the

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Speaker 1: a sentient starship. And you're gonna notice as we do

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Speaker 1: themes ai spaceships, spaceships, Yes on a sentient starship, Survivors

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Speaker 2: It's true, and this is also a really important moment

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Speaker 2: and underrated Hollywood producer, slash genius, slash star maker Roger

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Speaker 2: oh my goodness, you couldn't believe those movies. I love

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Speaker 1: Right, so this is Roger Corman's answer to Star Wars

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Speaker 1: And the synopsis of the movie is mercenaries defend a

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Speaker 1: Up next nineteen eighty one Escape from New York, directed

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Speaker 1: Believable and that is Cameron would carry that over to

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Speaker 1: Well, first off, we must start. Yeah, I list the

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Speaker 2: Joel do you have a fun fact about Pirana to

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Speaker 2: Because what better debut movie to claim than fucking Terminator.

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Speaker 1: From that, let's rank it out of five submersibles because

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Speaker 1: it is technically the first James Cameron I had directed job.

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Speaker 1: Out of five submarines, what do you give it, Rosie.

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Speaker 2: I'm giving it a solid two and a half submarines.

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Speaker 2: I enjoyed this movie. Get ready for some of my

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it one and a half. It is

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Speaker 1: as is Piranha one. And but if we're gonna be

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Speaker 4: Okay, So James is coming off a six percent Rotten

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Speaker 1: Let's rank the submarines. I gotta give it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the whole thing. I got to give it five submarines.

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Speaker 1: I got agreed, five James Cameron. Five James Cameron submarines.

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Speaker 2: Put those five billion dollar submissibles on terminate. It deserves it, Joel,

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Speaker 2: Are you completing the full five?

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Speaker 4: Okay? No one be mad, but I'm going to give

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Speaker 3: Real coresceptible my list. I get it.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to the next movie.

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Speaker 2: Rosie Aliens nineteen eighty six, coming off the immense success

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Speaker 3: James Cameron takes over in the scary, stealthy shock.

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Speaker 3: Baby, Jason, how do you feel about this movie? I

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Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite movies of all time. It's

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Speaker 1: probably my favorite alien movie. And I think it's very interesting.

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Speaker 1: As Joelle kind of hinted at in our Terminator talk

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Speaker 2: I'm giving it for Submarines, Jason. I'm not gonna be

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Speaker 2: think it's a great movie, bombastic fun, great cinematography, crazy

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Speaker 4: Do you want your fun fact here?

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Speaker 4: Okay, So our fun fact is Cameron had made Terminator,

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Speaker 4: but no one's seen it yet, it's not in theater.

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Speaker 4: So he gets to Britain and they're like, this guy's

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Speaker 4: only made Piranha, Okay, guy the hell and Britain has

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Speaker 4: You thought they didn't. There was a mutiny on set.

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Speaker 4: So eventually they robbed to get everybody back together and

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Speaker 1: Crazy, very very crazy. And by the way, I believe

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Speaker 1: There's a famous clip of James Cameron Cameron bitching during

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Speaker 2: That happened in Star Wars. Was sharing it happened during

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Speaker 2: Star Wars. It happens English people love tea guys. I

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Speaker 3: Jason, I have submarined. How many stuff marines do you

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Speaker 3: give this movie?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it for submarines as well, Joelle, submarines force.

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Speaker 1: Up next, we're gonna go into some actual submarines now

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Speaker 1: with James Cameron's nineteen eighty nine picture The Abyss. The

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Speaker 1: I was like absolutely staggered at the amount that Michael

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the movie where basically James Cameron starts

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Speaker 2: Eventually they go to Ilm, and this starts to become

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Speaker 2: It's really interesting. It's definitely a little bit more slow

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Speaker 2: of decades later, I like this one. I saw it

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna ask Schoelle, what's your what's your

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Speaker 4: About the abys Cameron spent ten to twelve hours a

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Speaker 1: Ed Harris famously did not like Cameron for a long

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Speaker 2: So James Cameron coded so he loves like an emotional

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Speaker 3: We're gonna get Ina move, Joelle. What's your submarine count

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna give this one three. It's super ambitious and

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Speaker 2: Could you imagine that after that? You know the abyss there,

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Speaker 2: like is James Cameron? Does he still have the juice?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a little bit weird, it's not We're

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Speaker 2: terminate it to Judgment Day nineteen ninety one. And you

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Speaker 3: He was meant to be.

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Speaker 2: And guess what in terminated too, He's but this time

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Speaker 2: And this becomes the most expensive movie of all time

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Speaker 2: I mean, what a fucking movie. This was like such

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Speaker 2: an important movie of my childhood. Still love John Connor,

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Speaker 2: Still love Sarah Connor, Still love, a Public Enemy T

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Speaker 1: I absolutely do. I saw it in the theater and

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Speaker 1: of buzz heading into this movie because Guns, the band

436
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 1: Guns n' Roses had had relieved the video for You

437
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: Will Be Mine, which is like the tie in song

438
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 1: and early listen James Cameron, among other things. We're not

439
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: gonna have time to talk about how adepty is at

440
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 1: tying in soundtracks to the promotions of his movies and

441
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: having those things become We're gonna talk about it with

442
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: Titanic a little bit, having those things become very important

443
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: to the film and the feeling of the film and

444
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: the culture. This was like a precursor to that, and

445
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: I just remember being tremendously excited and absolutely floored at

446
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: how good it looks. I mean, to this day, still

447
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: looking at it, it looks incredible. It is an amazing

448
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 1: rollercoaster ball to the Wall film and remain so to

449
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: this day.

450
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Speaker 3: I rewatched this one so much, Joelle wa'ts your fun facts.

451
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 4: Immediately after signing on to make this film, Cameron's own

452
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 4: judgment day was looming. The producers announced the film was

453
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Speaker 4: gonna be released in nineteen ninety one over the Fourth

454
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Speaker 4: of July weekend, which gave Cameron and crew, which had

455
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Speaker 4: not even been assembled yet, twenty months to finish TEA two.

456
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Speaker 4: So we were talking casting, producing, developing, editing, sound editing,

457
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 4: insane marketing, all of it in twenty months, insame timeline.

458
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Speaker 1: And not only that, but like, there is what I

459
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: love about Cameron is despite the fact that his budgets

460
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: are getting huge, he still has that like Indie, let's

461
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,360
Speaker 1: just make it work somehow.

462
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 3: Streets.

463
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there is the helicopter chase with the truck

464
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: when they're when Sarah and John and uh T the

465
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: and Arnold Schwarzenegger the terminator are in the fighting that

466
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: T two, the T one thousand or whatever from the

467
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: helicopter that was filmed on the streets with like no, okay,

468
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: they just like had to do it, and they're like, well,

469
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: we can't get an okay to fly a helicopter under

470
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Speaker 1: the end, He's just like, fuck it, let's just do it.

471
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 2: And they just did that Hazack style Gorilla's Okay. Submarines,

472
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Speaker 2: I'm giving it five. I think it's just as good

473
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Speaker 2: as Timina. I think sometimes it's batter. I think sometimes

474
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Speaker 2: Taminae is batter. It depends on my feeling, but that

475
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: both basically perfect movies for me. I adore this movie.

476
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 2: It's so much fun. Jason Watshare, I completely agree.

477
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: I give it. I give it five subs. I'd give

478
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: it six subs if I could. I think that it's

479
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: like you. I can't decide which one is my favorite,

480
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: although from a purely technical and logical level, I think

481
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: it's the superior film. It looks better, it's got better

482
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: set pieces. You can see every dollar that was spent

483
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: in it. The storyline is incredible. The subversion with Arnold

484
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: now being the good guy Terminator is like fucking amazing,

485
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: And in terms of special effects, it continues to be revolutionary.

486
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: Very Aliens influenced with the addition of the child sidekick.

487
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: And it's funny, very new.

488
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 3: It's funny.

489
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 4: It's funny.

490
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: It is really like at times a hilarious fucking movie,

491
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: so incredible, Joelle, your submarines.

492
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Speaker 4: It's it's five would give it is the action.

493
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Speaker 1: Yes, I don't disagree. Up next, after a break, we

494
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Speaker 1: continue with the James Karen retrospective, and we're back with

495
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Speaker 1: the next film on the James Cameron retrospective list. It

496
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Speaker 1: is nineteen ninety four's mega hit True Lies, in which

497
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Speaker 1: a spy who balances in a kind of mister and

498
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: missus Smith way his regular life with his spy activities,

499
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: suddenly finds an intersection and a dissolving of the walls

500
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Speaker 1: between these two sides of his life. Now, all of

501
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: a sudden, he finds that his wife has to be

502
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Speaker 1: involved in his spying activities, as does his best friend.

503
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: And high jinks and action comedy and Sue And in

504
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Speaker 1: my mind, this is the template for what Marvel movies

505
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: would become, this marrying of comedy and high level action.

506
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Speaker 2: We think it's swatty and you can call it maybe

507
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: the definitive action comedy incredible movie.

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Speaker 1: Rosie.

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Speaker 2: What do you recall about Yes, I agree, I definitely

510
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 2: felt like I remember as a kid this was For

511
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: some reason, I always think of this in a fish

512
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,959
Speaker 2: called one Die. I think because yes, Cus, and just

513
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: like always movies that if they were on TV, I

514
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: wished it would be like Halloween and Au Terminator, you know,

515
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: but I found.

516
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Speaker 3: Like a comfort in it.

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Speaker 2: I would also say, just like it's unbelievable, guys, this

518
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Speaker 2: movie made three hundred and seventy eight million dollars. This

519
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: movie made Marvel movie money back in nineteen ninety four.

520
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: And it is like a vaunchy, spy comedy, like nobody

521
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: is making mid tier movies like that now that can

522
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: perform like that, and that's what we need.

523
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Speaker 3: And I have to give Cameron his jew there.

524
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Speaker 2: While I don't think it's my favorite of his movies,

525
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Speaker 2: I love the chemistry between Jamie and Annie. Yeah, Joelle,

526
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Speaker 2: what's your fun fact about this one?

527
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Speaker 4: Jamie Lee Curtis did all, let me say this, most

528
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Speaker 4: of her own stunts, including hanging from the helicopter. So

529
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Speaker 4: I have a quote from Jamie. She says, my only

530
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Speaker 4: condition was that there'd be a knife embed into the

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Speaker 4: upholstery of the limousine so that if for some reason

532
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Speaker 4: the limousine went off the bridge because we were driving

533
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Speaker 4: really fast and banging up against the sides of the highway,

534
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Speaker 4: you pop a toggle, the car flips and you go over.

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Speaker 4: The only thing I didn't want to do was go

536
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Speaker 4: down with the limo into the water. And I wanted

537
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Speaker 4: the strap. We made a seatbelt material so that I

538
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Speaker 4: could cut it loose and have my chance. And the

539
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 4: exact same thing is in the helicopter. I wouldn't do

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Speaker 4: it unless there was a guy in the helicopter with wirecutters,

541
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Speaker 4: because again, if the helicopter had to ditch over the ocean,

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Speaker 4: I just didn't want to be tethered to it, and

543
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Speaker 4: I wanted to be able to cut loose from it

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Speaker 4: and take my chances free falling.

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Speaker 2: I bet I respect Jamie Lee Cutz's like dedication to

546
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Speaker 2: not drowning.

547
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 3: That's like me.

548
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: If I was doing some kind of movie and they

549
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: were like, you're gonna have to be buried alive, I'd

550
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: be like, bitch, you're putting in one of those old

551
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: timey bells like the Victorians used to have, because I'm

552
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: not getting buried in life. And they're like, you don't

553
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: need that, and she's like, no, no, no, but I

554
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: don't want to drown inside a helicopter, inside a movie vehicle. Okay,

555
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: so I respect that and appreciate it. I'm giving this

556
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: one a three and a half just on my own enjoyment,

557
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: not a critique of the quality. I think it's a

558
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Speaker 2: very high quality movie. I know people for whom this

559
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: is their favorite James Camera movie. Joelle, what are your

560
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 2: submarines for this one?

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna god, I think I'm gonna give it four

562
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 4: for the Jamie tearing up her dress scene and changing

563
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 4: her outfit. What an iconic change.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm gonna give it three. It is not my

565
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: favorite James Cameron movie, although it is impeccably made. And yes,

566
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Speaker 1: the James Cameron perhaps doesn't get enough props for the

567
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: way he deploys his female characters. And this is a

568
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: great subversion in which Jamie Lee, who is starts the

569
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Speaker 1: movie as essentially a traditional mother and housewife, discovers this

570
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: steely sexiness as well that allows her to be the

571
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: perfect foil for her spy husband. I don't love all

572
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: the turns in it. I think the villains are a

573
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: little bit dated for my pace, Yes I would agree,

574
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Speaker 1: but incredibly well made film. Three submersibles for me, Rosie.

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Speaker 1: What is next up next?

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Speaker 2: We have another iconic maybe the iconic movie before I

577
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: would say Avatar. You know, that's the Alatar.

578
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: Avatar. You know, Avatar is.

579
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Speaker 2: Now probably his most definitive movie, But back then it

580
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: was Titanic nineteen ninety seventh.

581
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Speaker 3: Lord, have you ever heard of it?

582
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: It's about a fucking Titanic ship and it crashes, and

583
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: it's got Kate Winslet, and she was beautiful and gorgeous,

584
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 2: and everyone was mean to her and acted like she

585
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: was fat even though she was so stunning. It launched

586
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: Leonardo DiCaprio and his curtains to unbelievable global fame, and

587
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: it is extremely popular in Taliban ruled Afghanistan, still one

588
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: of the most popular movies there.

589
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: It won eleven Oscars. It made two point two billion dollars.

590
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Speaker 2: Guys, this is all in nineteen ninety seven. That's like

591
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 2: five billion dollars now or something. Allegedly, not according to

592
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: anything I fact checked, but yes, I have to say, guys,

593
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: put it out there.

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Speaker 3: Early. Never was a fan of this movie. Did not

595
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Speaker 3: get it.

596
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: I had to pretend I cried when I watched it

597
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: on VHS with my girlfriends.

598
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: It was not for me. It came out at a

599
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 3: time I was nine.

600
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Speaker 2: When this movie came out, I was very into you know,

601
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: weird shit that I liked, and this was not.

602
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 3: It never really hit for me in that way.

603
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: I will say as an adult, I love to rewatch

604
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: it because the production design is unreal. It's so melodramatic,

605
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: it's so crazy. It's insane that it ever made that

606
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: much money. And yeah, that's Titanic. Jason talk a little

607
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: bit before we get started on Joelle's fun fact and

608
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: her shock at my Titanic takes. Jason talk a little

609
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: bit about that song and the way James Cameron uses music.

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Speaker 1: One would have to say that there have been moments,

611
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: I think in the intervening years where the song carried

612
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: the cultural impact of the movie itself. Beyond the movie itself,

613
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: the song remains timeless every time you think of Celine

614
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: Dion or she comes back into the popular consciousness, as

615
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: she did recently with her incredible rendition despite illness of

616
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: Levine Rose in the opening of the Olympics in France.

617
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: You have to recall my Heart Will go On, My

618
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: Heart Will go On, and the incredible performance that she

619
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Speaker 1: gives there. I have to say this was also my

620
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: recollections of this movie was that all of the I

621
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: was a steady reader of the entertainment press in those days,

622
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: in the old through the magazine, and I recall that

623
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: all of the scuttle butt on the street and in

624
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: the pages of these magazines was this is a fiasco,

625
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: this is a boondoggle. James Cameron has created huge submersible

626
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: sets and created a replic of the Titanic inside the studio,

627
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: and extras are drowning, and people are drowning, and people

628
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: are waterlogged all the time, and it's over budget by

629
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Speaker 1: four times it's original budget. And this movie's gonna be

630
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Speaker 1: a fucking disaster. And that's what I expected. And at

631
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Speaker 1: the time, I was working in a movie theater. But

632
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: it was the movie theater. I told this story I

633
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: think several times, but it was the movie theater that

634
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: was like the second level movie theater in town. So

635
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: we got after the first run, we got the movies

636
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: as they moved like out, as they moved out of

637
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: the main cinema to make way for the newer movies.

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00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: And I could tell that Titanic was a massive hit

639
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: because we only had four theaters and it was playing

640
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: in all Flower and every single theater was packed, and

641
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: I would see the same It was mostly women. I

642
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: was seeing the same ladies come in again and again

643
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: and again to watch this film, crying in the same

644
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: spots all the time. And I'm like, Okay, well, this

645
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: movie is not for me, but people fucking love it.

646
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: And I will say, you're right about the production design.

647
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: Cameron is a master and the sinking of the Titanic

648
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Speaker 1: crazy is jaw dropping, is tremendous as a piece of cinemas.

649
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: Also, this is when he starts getting super into like

650
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: three hour longtimesh like this was on a double VHS

651
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: because it was too long for the type guys, Joel.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was so long in the theater that, because

653
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Speaker 1: we had the older projectors, the second it was on

654
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Speaker 1: two reels, the second reel would melt because the projector

655
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: bulb was so hot. And this would happen all the time. Anyway,

656
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: two point two billion dollars. Who's gonna fucking tell them.

657
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: No, exactly, Joel, tell us a fun fact and your

658
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 2: recollection of iconic.

659
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Speaker 4: Two fun facts. First of all, Titanic is maybe the

660
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 4: best movie ever Degrease this planet that will switch daily.

661
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 4: Based on my opinions, I love feelings in tone, but

662
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: my god like costumes, hitting production design, hitting everyone performing

663
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 4: at tens. The music we talk about the music, like

664
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Speaker 4: the theme song. The pop theme song is instrumentally inserted

665
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Speaker 4: into the movie at the most heartbreaking emotional parts, like

666
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 4: you were just fully invested in everything. I love this movie.

667
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 4: I have two fun facts. First, eighty cast and crew

668
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 4: members were dosed with.

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Speaker 1: PCP at yes, yes, I love I love this story.

670
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 4: Nobody injured, no one accused of or committed the crime

671
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 4: that we know of. It's just completely the mystery of

672
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 4: did this and why. My other fun fact is Neil

673
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 4: de krast Tyson, notorious nitpicker of sci fi, told Cameron

674
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 4: that the stars were not correct, and he was like, well,

675
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 4: I'm releasing a three D version. I'll fix it.

676
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:07,439
Speaker 3: Why.

677
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's so silly. It's the perfluous. But

678
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 4: I just love how much he loves detail that. He

679
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 4: was like, this sky is wrong.

680
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Speaker 2: I love that he I love that he said that

681
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 2: to Neil, who's always finding something wrong. I'm like, don't

682
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: reward this man. I'm like, do not correct. Do not

683
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: reward this man. When he corrects you, it's gonna end badly. Okay, guys,

684
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give I'm gonna start with our submersibles, and

685
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start with a personal rating of one star

686
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: because I do not love it.

687
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 3: But I'm also gonna give it a.

688
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: Realistic rating of like four stars because it is a

689
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 2: very impactful movie, makes people very happy.

690
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 3: It was a CGI masterpiece at.

691
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: The time, even though the cig looks really busted and

692
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 2: is hilarious to watch now. I love Kate Winslet. We're

693
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: blessed to have her in our life. So I'm giving

694
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: it a four objectively and a one subjectively.

695
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kate Winslet is magnificent. She I think kickstarted the

696
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 1: libidos of many young peas during this projecting people of cinema.

697
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 3: And so the first time.

698
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: Let me draw you like my your French guy, I

699
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 1: mean it was. It's it's an iconic moment in film,

700
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: and like you, it is not my favorite movie. It's

701
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: it's a little too maudlin at times. James pitched this

702
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: to the executives as Romeo and Juliet on the Titanic,

703
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what he did. So I think personally

704
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Speaker 1: it's two submersibles, but like in terms of its position

705
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Speaker 1: as a landmark film. I will give it, I will

706
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: give it four submersibles, but personally it's a too submersible

707
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: film for me, but for submersibles. For this particular exercise, I.

708
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Speaker 3: Know you're going to say.

709
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 4: It eightys to be reasonable.

710
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: Also, let me just say, ain't blue diamond necklaces in

711
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: the s Shape of.

712
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Speaker 1: A hawk is also the other thing I love about

713
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: this movie that people forget and that I was actually

714
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: blown away by when I first saw it in the

715
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 1: at working in the theater is and one day we

716
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: should do a list of these types of movies. It's

717
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: secretly a two timeline movie. Yes, Like that part of

718
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: it is so played down. You think it's like you're

719
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: with Rose and Jacket, it's nineteen twelve or whatever. No,

720
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: there's this whole modern day timeline with Bill Paxton and

721
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: a modern day subcrew going down.

722
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: To James Cammerton Dick. He said, getting that submarine guys

723
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: like he said, it's gonna be a pot of it.

724
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Speaker 4: Yea.

725
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,439
Speaker 3: And I love that.

726
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Speaker 1: Aspect of it because it is, like we don't talk

727
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: about it enough, how already crazy ambitious this movie is.

728
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: But that it's also a two timeline movie you see true.

729
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Speaker 2: We'll be back to talk more James Cameron after this

730
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: and went back in James Cameron Branded Submissible.

731
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Speaker 1: So that was nineteen ninety seven. And then there is

732
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: a long break because Cameron, during the Abyss and then

733
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: peeking in Titanic, has found his true mistress, and that

734
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: mistress is the Seas. He has slain in love with

735
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: the seas and decided, you know what, people have not

736
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: yet made the perfect ocean exploring submersible. Therefore I will

737
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: do it, and I will do it with the immense

738
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: moneies that I have garnered by making hit after hit

739
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: after hit in the box office moneys. He spends the

740
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: next basically decade underwater, not making movies, but making documentaries,

741
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: including Ghosts of the Abyss, in which he in which

742
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: art imitates life imitates art, James Cameron creates a submersible

743
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: in order to actually explore the record the Titanic and

744
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 1: two thousand and fives Aliens of the Deep, in which

745
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: Art imitates Art imitates Art imitates earlier art, in which

746
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: James Cameron, ret conning himself in the Abyss, uses his

747
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: again custom made submersibles to show you the life that

748
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: exists there at the bottom of the ocean, and that

749
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: brings us and that's just fish. But listen, it's cool.

750
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: I've seen both of these. They're very cool. And that

751
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: brings us to his re emergence as a feature film director.

752
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: Two thousand and nines Avatar director by James Cameron. You

753
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: know all about it. A soldier who basically switched asides

754
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: and joins the aliens against the humans because the humans

755
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: just want to take this lush alien paradise planet called

756
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: Pandora and raise it for all of its natural resources

757
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: so they can all become rich.

758
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: Yes, and the natural resource is called unobtainedum.

759
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: Called unobtainedum. And I love James Cameron. What a fucking

760
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: jokester he is. And let me tell your folks, if

761
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: you wanted to hate this movie, you can do it

762
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: all you want. But this is a three I'm gonna

763
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: round up from two point nine round. This is a

764
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: three billion dollar fucking film that redefined not just how

765
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: you could deploy CGI to make movies, because this is like,

766
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: this is like ten thousand CGI shots, but also redefined

767
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: how impactful. Three D, which had basically been discredited as

768
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: anything but a B movie scam at this point, how

769
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: you could use three D in movies, And I would

770
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: argue that nobody's done it better than him since then

771
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: nine Avatar. What do you recalling about two thousand and

772
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: nine s Avatars?

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Speaker 2: I was, you know, a young I was a young

774
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: film lover.

775
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 3: I was so excited about Avatar.

776
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 2: Everyone kept telling me this is gonna be the most

777
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: important thing since fucking Wizard of Oz when they turned

778
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: from you know, black and white to technicolor, like you're

779
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 2: gonna see three D like you've never seen before.

780
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: But I was lucky enough to actually see the three

781
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: D movie, uh my.

782
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: Bloody Valentine three D, the Zero's remake, and it was

783
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: fantastic and the three D was fucking amazing. And I

784
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: went to that Imax and I watched Avatar and I thought,

785
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: what the fuck you were talking about?

786
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: I didn't get it. Still still not for me, but

787
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 3: you know what I will say.

788
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: I will say that you know what James Cameron did

789
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 2: do He found a way to up charge everyone four.

790
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: Dollars for a three D movie every time you.

791
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: Want to go and D is less good now, no,

792
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: in case, I love James Cameron the eccentric. I love

793
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: James Cameron the autar But I do not love James

794
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 2: Cameron Avatar.

795
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 3: James Cameron, It's not for me.

796
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: I will preempt any other discussion on my end by

797
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: saying I will give this a one submersible out of

798
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 2: five because my mum loves it. But that's the only

799
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: sus from me. Joel, what's your fun fact about Avatar?

800
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 4: My fun fact is that Cameron wrote this script in

801
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety four, but delayed making the film for years

802
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 4: because the technology went in there. But then he saw

803
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 4: Lord of the Rings the Two Towers. He was like, man,

804
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 4: that Gollumn looks good. I bet I could make this movie.

805
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 1: And he did.

806
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sorry. I said it was the end of

807
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: the discussion, but I got to quite right. I'm like

808
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: this man couldn't lie and say it wasn't nineteen ninety four.

809
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: He should have said it was nine nine two, because

810
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four was two years after he watched fun

811
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: Goali Little Lost Rainforest, where he wrote.

812
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 4: The entire plot makes sense because this is just like

813
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 4: Dances with Wolves. So at the time it Dances with

814
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 4: the Moles meets for Engully, but to be and with

815
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 4: you know, inspiration taken from Lord of the Rings.

816
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: But again, to be fair to the man, he had

817
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: been saying underwater for basically the last ten years. He's

818
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 1: got the bend, so you gotta take that into account.

819
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: Let's let's just watch your submassible by Submersibles. Listen, it's

820
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: not it. I wish that we could go through the

821
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: sliding doors. Take the alternate timeline where James Cameron never

822
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 1: fell in love with the fucking ocean and just kept

823
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 1: making fucking movies, okayed, and didn't become this like overly. Listen,

824
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 1: they're incredibly well made. It's not for me. The CG

825
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: is impeccable, but again, something about the look of it.

826
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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just not for me. It's not

827
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: my favorite period of James Cameron. My period of James

828
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: favorite period of James Cameron was when he had gotten

829
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: some money, but he didn't get all the money to

830
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: do everything he wanted. And so I'm gonna have to

831
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: give it. I got to tip the cap to it

832
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: because it's a three billion dollar film, but I'm gonna

833
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: give it to Submersibles. It's not Okay, that's not my

834
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: favorite James.

835
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Speaker 2: I will say, Look, the truth is it is probably

836
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: gonna be the most successful movie of all time until

837
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: maybe the new one, So I think it's good to

838
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: give it it's props. Joel, what is your submersible count

839
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: on the first Avatar movie as a film.

840
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 4: I want to give it one star because I don't

841
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 4: correct correct the best out of anyone except the tech department. Like,

842
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 4: performances are not the best, music is not the best,

843
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 4: storyline is not the best. However, if we're counting a film,

844
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 4: you go see Hi with your friends, I want to

845
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 4: give it five stars. This movie is so pretty, and.

846
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: That's true.

847
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: Maybe I need to do like a high IMAX watch

848
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: to truly enjoy it.

849
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: I think I was this excellent, Okay, I.

850
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: Like here, here's to further buttress my argument about why

851
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm giving this movie too and and basically why we're

852
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: all rating it solo. Sam Worthington just does this. I

853
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: want to see actors acting whole movie. I want. I

854
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: don't want Sigourney. We were in the fucking body of

855
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: a fucking CD.

856
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 4: We're stinking old people young, it's weird.

857
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,800
Speaker 1: I want to see actors acting.

858
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't need to see a sexy alien,

859
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: but with.

860
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 3: A tale that.

861
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: Like and Sam Worthy just does this. Now this is

862
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: I will say this, good job.

863
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 2: Good luck to Sam Morvington, because they were trying to

864
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: make him a thing for a long time and he

865
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 2: found his lane.

866
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 3: No, but he's rich.

867
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Speaker 2: I know he's got that good deal from Avatar The

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Speaker 2: Way of the War, So good n which was the

869
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: next movie. It took a long time, guys, it was

870
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: unbelievably thirteen years between.

871
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 3: Avacs was underwater again.

872
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: Because also speaking of people who worked on movies, though

873
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: now I don't think, I think now you have to

874
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,879
Speaker 2: sign an NDA. You can't really say anything negative. This

875
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: was the movie where while filming it Kate Winslet, who

876
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 2: was bought in as one of the new Navvy because

877
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: of course he loves to cast white people as these

878
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 2: like indigenous blue creatures. And then she was brought in

879
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: and I believe she ended up breaking the Guinness World

880
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 2: Record for longest free dive. It was like done by

881
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: like a non fresh It was like six point eight

882
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 2: minutes that she was under the water. So this man

883
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 2: is tormenting people. This movie did not make three billion,

884
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 2: but it did make two point three four. It was

885
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: proof to many of us, many true Avatar The Last

886
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: Airbender conspiracy theorists that when James Cameron Cease and desisted

887
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 2: Avatar and made them add Avatar the Last Airbender before

888
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: the movie had even been made his movie, he was

889
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 2: going to steal the core con seat of the movie

890
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: and do different tribes from different spaces. Way of Water

891
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 2: hinted at that. The new movie Fire and Ash, which

892
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: is the third element, confirms that.

893
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 3: So Way of the Water. We talked about it a lot.

894
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: It was a huge spectacle. You can listen to our

895
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 2: episode on it. It was big in the La film scene.

896
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: People felt like it.

897
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 3: Was this return to epic scope. I thought it was fine.

898
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: I thought it looked like Disney Ride, which I think

899
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: is also totally valid.

900
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 3: The underwater shooting was really beautiful.

901
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: But do not get high and watch this with your

902
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: friends because there's also like a twenty minute depressing whale.

903
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: Oh god, the whale killing scene is like, we do

904
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: need to see it, guys, do this, James.

905
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 2: We know it happens, but like, come on, Joelle, what's

906
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 2: your fun fact about Avatar The Way of Water?

907
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 4: The Kate Winslet thing was my fun fact for a

908
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 4: Way of Water.

909
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 3: Confirm it to me. Then in fact check, Kate.

910
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 4: Winslet held her breath for an incredible seven minutes and

911
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 4: fourteen seconds filming Avatar The Way of Water, so you

912
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 4: world record for a lead actor on screen.

913
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: Wow, that's pretty crazy. Good for her.

914
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: I love that for her. Well, I hope she was

915
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: getting a lot of money for being under there. And

916
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: my understanding is the new movie is going to be

917
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: the Ash People and they're going to be in a

918
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: fight with the Water People. And we haven't seen it yet,

919
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: but you know, we'll. I'm sure we'll let you know

920
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: we have seen it. Jason, how many subversibles are you

921
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: giving to Avatar?

922
00:50:55,400 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yay, I'm gonna give it one point five submercial. James,

923
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: come back to us, come back out of the seas

924
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: and and make movies again, Like we need we need

925
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: somebody stop. James.

926
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: Take your budget for Fox Motorcycle.

927
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: Garments, your ten million dollar budget for Fox Motorcycle Garments

928
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: that you were in every interview, and please spend that

929
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 2: ten million dollars on making a low budget film.

930
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: We need you back, my man, We need you back.

931
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 1: At this point, listen, the movie made two and a

932
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: half billion. Basically, I'm rounding up once again. And you

933
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: can't tell James Cameron shit.

934
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: No.

935
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like, let's be fair and you know what

936
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 1: you can't.

937
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 3: We can't do one bedroom apartment he was leaving to Sara.

938
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: Who's gonna tell James you did better ship before that?

939
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's making billions with every single movie in

940
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: a period when one it didn't seem like box offices.

941
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: We were busting like that, and if they were, it

942
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: was comic book movies. James as improved that. He is

943
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: a force and to himself as much.

944
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: As I dragged him for the fun Gully of it,

945
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 2: all the dancers with wolves. It's very repair story. But

946
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: you know what, it wasn't based on an ip It

947
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: was based It is technically an original idea. So we

948
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: have to you know, this man is making original movies

949
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: that make this much money. Lest you forget Avatar the

950
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 2: Last airbub you know, but I will say these movies

951
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 2: are making money.

952
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 3: The people love to go and see them. I love

953
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: the people go into the theater.

954
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: Are you excited for Avatar The Fire and Ash or

955
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: as some have said, it should be called Fire and

956
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: ass like our incredible friend Laura. Not because of the

957
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: quality of the movie, I must say, but because apparently

958
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: this is a very horny movie where you see a

959
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 2: lot of alien butts.

960
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 3: So let's see how it's going. Guys, tell us if

961
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: you're excited for it, and we'll speak to you soon.

962
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: We will leave you, like James Cameron, back into the

963
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: dark underwaves of the ocean, with this final segment in

964
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: which we figure out where James Cameron ranks in the

965
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: pantheonic directors by playing or with our resident cinephile, Joel, Joel.

966
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna ask you James Cameron or and then you

967
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 1: are going to tell us who stays on. Are you ready?

968
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 4: Okay?

969
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go.

970
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: James Cameron or Brian de Palma Cameron, James Cameron or

971
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 1: Michael Bay Cameron. Yeah, we gotta start somewhere. James Cameron

972
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: or David Fincher Fincher, whoa, Okay, I agree, Okay Fincher

973
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 1: or Quorn Alfonso Quoren.

974
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 4: Fuck Cron made my favorite children's eyes. I'm so sorry,

975
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 4: David Fincher. I'm going Coron.

976
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: Alfonso Quorn or Christopher Nolan Nolan Nolan or Giamo Delturo

977
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: del Toro.

978
00:53:58,600 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 3: Correct.

979
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 1: Now we're getting We're we're approaching big boy territory now.

980
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna get big boy soon.

981
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: Del Toro or Danny Boyle Del Toro, Del Toro or

982
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: Steve McQueen Del Torro.

983
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 4: Sorry McQueen, Oh god, sorry Steve. We love it, painful.

984
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: Del Toro, ordnive Leeneuve Del Toro.

985
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 4: Wow.

986
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean this is ordered this list so that

987
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 1: it would Del Toro or Justin Lynn del Toro. Okay,

988
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,760
Speaker 1: but I love that though, Jason, I know, Okay, you're ready.

989
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: Del Toro or George Lucas.

990
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 3: Dude, her face is like.

991
00:54:52,200 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: Dual Toro or Martin Martin Scorsese, Delta. Let's del Toro

992
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: or Spielberg.

993
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 4: I want to cry. I don't think they would like

994
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 4: this competition. I just want to let you know. I

995
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 4: feel like these two gentlemen would be like, we're both great.

996
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 4: Oh shit, Spielberg rate Jassic Park. Oh fuck, I'm so sorry.

997
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it's okay.

998
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 3: I feel like Del Torre is like almost there with Frankenstein.

999
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 2: Now. I feel like a couple of big blockbuster hits,

1000
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 2: like in his latest stages, we could really be putting

1001
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:38,279
Speaker 2: him there.

1002
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 3: But I think that's fair.

1003
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: Joe out, so wow, Uh, James Cameron went out quite early, Lenell,

1004
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: Let's quickly give James Cameron our overall as a director

1005
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: for his career at five submarines, Rosie, James Cameron out

1006
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: of five submarines.

1007
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: I think he gets four submarines because honestly, he's building

1008
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: him himself. His impact as a young director cannot be tested.

1009
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 2: He has an upbringing through the Corman b movie space

1010
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 2: that I just respect and love, and that shaped all

1011
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 2: the stuff I'd love about his films and ultimately probably

1012
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 2: shaped the stuff I didn't in his later career. But

1013
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: I still think he deserves them. Four submersibles for James Cameron,

1014
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: and I hope none of them blow up.

1015
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 1: I agree for submersibles for me and Joelle for his career.

1016
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 4: For his career, we're definitely going for makes sense to me.

1017
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 4: I think the way he's pushed boundaries and the way

1018
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 4: he respects his crew. You know, he's a hard director

1019
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 4: to work for by all accounts, but he has such

1020
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 4: respect for every department, and I really appreciate that of

1021
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 4: an artist.

1022
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: Well, go see Fire and Ash Avatar Fire and Ash

1023
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: in theaters now. On the next episode of Extra Division,

1024
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: We're diving into news and our reactions to the eighth

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Speaker 1: episode of Purbus. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: My x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and

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Speaker 1: Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay wag.

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Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman.

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