1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to this week sixteen edition, a Christmas Eve episode 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: of Between the Horns. Whether you're watching live with us 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: or listening to the podcast a little bit later on 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: on your holiday, thank you for joining us. I'm JB. 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: Long Team reporters. Serena Morales, Marry Christmas, Serena, Hi, JB. Christmas. 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: It's good day. It's nice to see former Pro Bowl 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: running back Maurice Jones drew as well and JD what's 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: up baby? Is good to see you. Marry Christmas Eve, 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: and DeMarco has completed all of his Christmas shopping. Well done, Santa, 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: thank you. Super Dad strikes again, but bo humbug, just 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: in the niked time two weeks ago. The Rams have 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: to win both these games. They have to go to 13 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: Seattle and get the Seahawks and then home at SOFI 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: Stadium for the regular season finale against the Arizona Cardinals. 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: Take home both of those, they will be the NSC 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: West champions again. Before we get to Seattle, though, the 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 1: rematch with the Seahawks. I know nobody wants to go 18 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: here necessarily, but let's quickly revisit the loss of the Jets. Yeah, JB, 19 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: we all heard this phrase right on any given Sunday 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: that was certainly the case. It's so by stadium. But look, 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: a win, it's just one loss, one win, one loss. 22 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: And it's a little different though to me than say, 23 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: losing to the Bills because they lost to the winless Jets. 24 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: De Marco Santa Claus over here, how do you make 25 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: sure that you get all your presence and you win 26 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: your games, but you don't miss these games that you 27 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't lose, Like, how do you make sure that these 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: losses don't linger on for the rest of the next 29 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: two games? Wait? Was that a fat joke? Are fat? 30 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: You know? I'm Santa No, it's all good, you know. No, Look, 31 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: it's not just it is just a loss. It's it's 32 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: it's one loss in in the the loss column, or 33 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: one mark in the lost column. But it is historic, 34 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: so there is no way of getting around it. I say, 35 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: embrace it, enjoy it tattooed on your body. Make sure 36 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: you never forget how this feels, and you won't. This 37 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: will go down in history. But the first thing you 38 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: have to do to get past it is just go 39 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: look at your next opponent. It worked for me. Turn 40 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: on tape of Seattle. Watch Chris Carson, Bulldo's people. Watch 41 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson slither in and out of trouble time and 42 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: time again. I think we gave the snake to the 43 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: wrong the nickname the snake to the wrong guy, it's 44 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: actually Russell Wilson. That defense is playing well, and just 45 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: be honest with yourself. The Jets were not lucky. They 46 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: beat you. They made more plays than you did, and 47 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: in some areas they were absolutely better special teams. In particular, 48 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: they blocked the punt. Their punter, like Maurice said during 49 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: the game, made a picture perfect game saving tackle. It's 50 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: a tough pill to swallow, but you have to swallow 51 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: that truth pill. And the underdog had this day. So 52 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: the best way to get around it is just to 53 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: embrace it, understand it, understand why you lost, and move on. 54 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: And I have to give credit to Sam Donald. Remember 55 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: that comment he made about Aaron Donald is just a 56 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: good player. Well, look, Aaron was good on Sunday, great 57 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: was needed. Darnold made big plays. The Rams defense did not, 58 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: and they beat you. So embrace it, understand it, move on, 59 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: look at your next opponent. You'll get around it sooner 60 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: than later. I mean to me right like it looked 61 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: like to your point to Marco, the Rams kind of 62 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: beat themselves. So MJD. Are these mistakes that they made 63 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: against the Jets? Are they fixable? Are they preventable? Can 64 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: we stop you know, converting a season low eighteen percent 65 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 1: on third downs? Like, can we get that number of Yeah? 66 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: I definitely think they're they're they're all fixable. The first 67 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: part was that I that really comes to mind with 68 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: a block putt Nick Scott's not there. You have a 69 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: rookie h doesn't really know what he's doing. Let's you know, 70 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: too many guys overload on one side, slides to the 71 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 1: left and side of the right free blocker there. When 72 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: you look at their protection that Jared had on some 73 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: of those third downs, you had enough guys blocking again, 74 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: they didn't identify or slide to those guys. That The 75 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: question is can Jared play better? That's what it comes 76 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: down to. Out of all the wins and all the losses, 77 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: it really comes down can QB one play well? Now 78 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: he plays well against Seattle Seahawks, he plays well against 79 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, which is a good thing. But when the Jets, 80 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: it just wasn't good. Jared. It wasn't even the Jared 81 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: that we've come to see, you know, kind of he 82 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: just kind of took a step back in that game. 83 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: Obviously the I and T where he didn't see the 84 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,119 Speaker 1: corner and he really threw the ball behind Robert Woods 85 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: in that situation. He was just off that day. So 86 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: you hope that going into an opponent that you know, 87 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: opponent that you've played well against throughout your career, that 88 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: that can get them back on track and get them 89 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: kind of springboard into the playoffs. And I'll say this, yes, 90 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: it's just a loss in the loss column, but maybe 91 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: this is the loss that wakes up that sleeping giant 92 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 1: that we've been waiting for. Right we've seen it Spurts 93 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: come out where the Rams were played really well at 94 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: times we've seen him when they played really bad. Maybe 95 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: this loss to a winless Jets team is embarrassing enough 96 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: to make everyone go home and look in the mirror 97 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: and say I have to be better and I will 98 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: be better. And then that is the way the loss 99 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: that helps them make this run throughout the playoffs. Yeah, 100 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: the word that comes to mind, I think for a 101 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: lot of our audience is consistency. Or lack thereof, right, 102 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: and Sean McVeigh often says consistency is the truest measure 103 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: of performance. Well, unfortunately, the thing that the Rams have 104 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: done most consistently on offense is turn it over. They've 105 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: done it in every game this season, and for them 106 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: to get to where they want to go, frankly, that 107 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: has to change. Rare is the season where you have 108 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: a negative turnover margin going in a week sixteen and 109 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: still control your own destiny in terms of clinching the division. So, DeMarco, 110 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: how do you go about stopping that trend? Because, like 111 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: going to Seattle, trying to not turn it over is 112 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: not the great place to be. Well, I mean, really, 113 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: let's just be honest. We're talking about one guy. We're 114 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: talking about Jerry Goff turning the football over and that's 115 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: got to change. Now trying to stop that or correct that, 116 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I don't know about this one. I 117 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: come from the right side of the ball, Maurice to 118 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: where if we have a toothache or a rotten tooth, 119 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: we pull it and we put the veneer in and 120 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: we go. But this is different. This is your quarterback 121 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: politics enters into this equation. So to me, this will 122 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: define Sean mcvay's legacy here with the Rams. But ask 123 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: yourself this question. If Jared Goff finished his career with 124 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: an Eli Manning type career, would you be upset with that? 125 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,239 Speaker 1: There's a guy who struggled with consistency his entire career. 126 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: I think the only time he was in the single 127 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: digits in picks was his first year and his last 128 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: year when he wasn't a full time starter. So that 129 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: could be Jared Goff's career and it may put Tom 130 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: Coughlin in the Hall of Fame. Think about that nine 131 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: playoff appearances. I think they won the division five times, 132 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: they were in the NFC Championship five times or whatever, 133 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: and they won two Super Bowls and Eli was MVP 134 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: in both of those games. So if Jared Goff had 135 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 1: that type of career, I wouldn't be upset. But you know, 136 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how you fix this problem. I think 137 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: maybe Sean mcvay's only answer here is recognized that you 138 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: can't coach around it. You're gonna take heat for it, 139 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: ultimately win with it, and try to go from there. 140 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: But the only answer for Jared Goff not turning the 141 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: ball over is just coming from him and him alone. 142 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: That's the only way that's going to get fixed. But 143 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: the rest of the football team can't get frustrated with it. 144 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to play around it and understand what 145 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: it is. But there's only been one coach that I 146 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: know that didn't care about playoffs or didn't care about turnovers, 147 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: and that was Mike Martz, and he's not coaching anymore. 148 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: Turnovers are a big part of football. They're the easiest 149 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: way to determine who's gonna win and lose a football game. 150 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: So that has got to be cleaned up, and I 151 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: hope it gets cleaned up before you play Seattle on Sunday. 152 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: One of the ways you can play around it is 153 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: to run the football well. And despite the injury to 154 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: Cam Makers, it's something that whether he's been on the 155 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: field or not, they have been able to do as 156 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: well as any team in the National Football League. Sometimes 157 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: we get so close to it. It may not feel 158 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: that way, but you look at the metrics, they are 159 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: the most efficient running team in the league at their 160 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: tailback position. And Maurice, first of all, let me ask 161 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: what was your reaction when you heard that Cam had 162 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: a high ankle spring. Given what he did last Sunday 163 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: against the Jets, it's uncomfortable. I think Sean used the 164 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: term war daddy, which I've heard a ton depends on 165 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: what type of ankle sprain it is. In the high 166 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: kind are the ones that tend to linger. But you 167 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: could tell he was compromised. But I love that to 168 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: see him fight through it for his team because it 169 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: meant so much to him, and I think that is 170 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: again something that you can go back and look to 171 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: in this game, like, Okay, we know we have a 172 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: guy that will fight with us through thick and thin. 173 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: Now he's not going to be this will be there 174 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: this week. But you've been in this situation before, right, 175 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: It happened in Philadelphia. All of a sudden, Daryl Henderson 176 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: breaks out. He becomes a guy. And that's the beautiful 177 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: thing about having a running back by committee is that 178 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: when one guy goes down, you already played with the 179 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: other two guys, especially for the Rams throughout this season, 180 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: and you've won games with it. And so I'm I'm 181 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: not concerned at all. I truly believe that Darryl Henderson 182 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: is going to be utilized in certain ways. I thought 183 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: that they should have put him out there on those 184 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: third and fourth downs and said I cam Akers and 185 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: had Darryl Henderson run those routes fresh legs not hurt. 186 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: Maybe that throw that Jared throws to cam Akers may 187 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: get caught because there's a different burst out there when 188 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: you're you're running. But I think Darryl Henderson brings a 189 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: different element to the game. I think his explosive this 190 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: is gonna be something that Seattle's will have to prepare for. 191 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: And then guess what, you get the hammer back right? 192 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 1: You have to use your hammer and Malcolm Brown to 193 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: go down and soften up these linebackers in this defense. 194 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: And it may be the game plan that it may 195 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: be something that Sean needed to kind of get everything 196 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: back rolling again, Darena, I'll send it back to you 197 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,239 Speaker 1: with this thought. The last time they played the Seahawks, 198 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 1: it was Darryl Henderson, it was Malcolm Brown, And I'm 199 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: old enough to remember being on this show and asking 200 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: questions like if cam Akers is healthy, what does he 201 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: have to do to get his touches right. There was 202 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,199 Speaker 1: a point in this season. There was a long stretch 203 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: of this season where a healthy cam Akers couldn't get 204 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: on the field because of what the other two are doing. 205 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: There's no reason that here in the month of December, 206 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: they can't flip that back. Yeah, that's a perfect toss. 207 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: Because this Seattle team looks way different. Also, when last 208 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: time they played the Rams back in Week ten, the 209 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: only familiar name that we're going to talk about, obviously 210 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: is Russell Wilson. But the Seahawks they've been going more 211 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: run heavy offense as well. So you got backs like Carson, 212 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: Hyde and Penny that are all available for Sunday. None 213 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: of those guys played in the Week ten matchup. So 214 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: de Marco, how different has this Seattle offense been playing 215 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: the last several weeks? And is this something to be 216 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: concerned about? Do not fool yourself if you're if you 217 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: wear a Rams uniform as if you're a Rams player, 218 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: you played the laundry. You did not play this football team, 219 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: not this Seattle Seahawks squad. This is a different squad. 220 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: And if you go back and watch that tape versus Washington, 221 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: that was a comprehensive butt kicking by that Seahawks squad. 222 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't just about running the football and they did 223 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: that effectively. But the defense went out, got a three 224 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: and out, give the ball back to Russell Wilson. They 225 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: drove it down the field got points. So, look, this 226 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: will be a different matchup. But you can beat this 227 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: football team. You can beat Seattle when they're playing their 228 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: best football, playing this style of ball. I think you're 229 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: built for this. I haven't given up our lost confidence 230 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: in this defense just because you lost to the Jets. 231 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: They're still tough, they're still stout against the run, and 232 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: they have a lot of great players. They can combat 233 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: this offense, and I think Jared Goff and this offense, 234 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: as long as they take care of the football, can 235 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: score points on just about anybody, including the Seattle Seahawk defense. 236 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: But make no mistake, this is a different squad. They're 237 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: doing it with defense, special teams and running the football. 238 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: This is something you're built to stop. This is why 239 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: the Rams have been built to stop that Seattle squad. 240 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: So as long as you take care of the football 241 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: and don't turn it over, you have a chance to 242 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: beat Seattle in Seattle. Yeah, Maurice, how do you expect 243 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: the defense to kind of attack knowing that you've got 244 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: three facts that are all going to be in this 245 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: game that they hadn't faced back in week ten. Yeah, 246 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: I think DeMarco said it best, like, I'm not too 247 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: much worried about their running game, right. What they will 248 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: do is they're going to try to beat you up 249 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: running the ball, but there is no home run hitter. 250 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of a guy taking the seam and 251 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: go into the house. I'm not worried about that, which 252 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: allows me to play very similar style that you played 253 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: the last time in so Far Stadium. Jalen Rams, you 254 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: lock up DK Metcalf, will put you know, our two 255 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 1: three guys over on Tyler Lockett, and then we're gonna 256 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: allow a Shawan Robinson, Sebastian, Joseph Day, Michael Brocker's, Aaron Donald, 257 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: Leonard Floyd and whoever's out there to corral this offense 258 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: and force them to throw the ball now the way 259 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: the Rams, I think the Rams will beat them, and 260 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm very confident in this is that you have to 261 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: score on offense right and get them out of running 262 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: the ball. Let's remember Pete Carroll wants to win ugly. 263 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: That is his type of thing they always talk about. 264 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys watch them. But after games, 265 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: he always says, do you win the game in the 266 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: first quarter? They yelled, No second quarter, no third quarter, 267 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: no fourth quarter. Yeah, everybody gets all excited. He wants 268 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 1: to win the close game. So if you can get 269 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: them out of what they want to do, which is 270 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: run the ball, play action pass, you'll force them the 271 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, throw the ball, which is fits better than 272 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 1: what you do defensively. And so I believe that the 273 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: Rams had the linebackers to do it. With Troy Troy 274 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: Reader and obviously Kenny Young. They've they've played lights out 275 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 1: this season. They'll play lights out again. But do expect 276 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: a lot of motioning of the of the running back 277 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: because it caught the Rams off guard on Sunday against 278 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: the Jets. Expect them to do that same thing. And 279 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: let's see if the Rams corrected. But I'm not too 280 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: concerned defensively. I'm more concerned offensively, and I'm concerned that 281 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: Jamal Adams is you know, he's not He's not a safety, 282 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: so you can't account for him, as I say, you 283 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: give account for him as a linebacker or a rush guy. 284 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: That's what they're gonna use him as. Now everyone's gonna say, like, well, 285 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: he you know he listen, the guy struggles in pass coverage, 286 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: but he's a heck of a blitzer, right, He's a 287 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: heck of a guy around the box. So offensively, if 288 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: you can put up points and nullify him, I think defensively, it'll, it'll, 289 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: it'll do it, counteract everything they want to do. Yeah, 290 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: nine and a half sacks a new record for it 291 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: dB since we started keeping track of that. And that's 292 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: missing four games due to illness and injury. All right, 293 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: let's go rapid fire to Marco. On Monday night, we 294 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: asked Sean mcvah about Ramsey Metcalf Part two. Look, I 295 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: think Jalen Ramsey's a first team All Pro because of 296 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: what he did to DK and because what he did 297 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: to Hopkins. Right, and you finish out this season with 298 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: those two rematches. Can he shut down DK Metcalf the 299 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: way that he did at SOFI Stadium? Oh? Absolutely. And 300 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: I look forward to the matchup and I look forward 301 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: to see how Seattle tries to get him open. It 302 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: will be funny for me, just funny for everybody that's 303 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: watching if Seattle has to use rubs and picks to 304 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: get him open. Against Jalen Ramsey instead of just letting 305 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: DK b DK. So if you have to change your 306 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: game plan to get the ball to him, that will 307 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: be funny. But we'll see what happens. But it's that 308 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: old command when you have a dog and attack dog, 309 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: sick them. That's your guy, go get them. You erase 310 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf. We'll take care of the Seattle Seahawks, but 311 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: you have to always worry about the other guys. Lockett 312 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: is a guy that can beat you. Russell Wilson is 313 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: a guy that can beat you, especially in the jazz 314 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: session to scrambles. But as far as that Markie matchup, yeah, 315 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: this is this will be round two DK versus Jalen, 316 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: and I can't wait to see that. All right, Sorry, 317 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm over here just like yeah, tell me more to 318 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: Mark about the stage up? All right? Well, Ad and Jalen, 319 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: obviously we're named to the Pro Bowl. Wasn't much as 320 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: a surprise, However, how do you see this kind of 321 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: tandem making a difference in this game. I know we 322 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: talk about all the time the Rams defense being number one, 323 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: and obviously Brydon Brandon Staley being ahead of that, but 324 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: was it surprised and are we going to see them 325 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: kind of take control of this game come Sunday against 326 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Well, yeah, I hope. So. I mean, look, 327 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: I've been on the other side of a and I 328 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: don't want to say this. I'm not calling Jerry Goff 329 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: a turnover machine, but I've had to defend turnover machines 330 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: at quarterback. And there comes a time for every defense 331 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: that says we're gonna do it ourselves, We're gonna take 332 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: it away. We're gonna set you up with great field 333 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: position on every single possession to make sure that you 334 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: guys score, not for your confidence, just to make sure 335 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: that you guys don't mess this game up. So I 336 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: think you're about there. You have a chance to beat 337 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: a downed opponent, a winless Jets team, to kind of 338 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: cement your your playoff status, and you let that go. 339 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: So the last thing you want to do is do 340 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: it twice. So I wouldn't say the defense has to overplay, 341 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: but I think the defense takes the lead from here 342 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: on out that if it is to be, it's gonna 343 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: be up to me, it's gonna be out to us. 344 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: So I hope they play that way. I hope that 345 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: they have that mentality, and I think that will show 346 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: up on Sunday. Alree which Pro Bowl snub from the 347 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: rand roster deserved it most, John Johnson, Darius Williams, Rob 348 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: Havenstein or Andrew Whitworth. I feel like it's Darius Williams, 349 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: to be honest with you. I mean, but it was 350 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: gonna be hard for him to get in, and it's 351 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: I have to say this for our fans. The Pro 352 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: Bowl is it's a It's a popularity contest more than 353 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: anything else. And in order for you to be popular, 354 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: you have the ball consistently year after year after year. 355 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: I felt like John Johnson had a great opportunity this 356 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: year he drops you interceptions that might have heard him. 357 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: But Darius had a great a great should have made 358 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: it right being on the opposite side of Rams and 359 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: getting all those targets, having all those interceptions. But this 360 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: is not popular enough, and then it sucks to say that, 361 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: but that's part of it. And you're a new guy 362 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: on a young team, so if you do it again 363 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: the next couple of years will definitely make it. Serena, 364 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: I'll say this with respect to the Pro Bowl. All 365 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: four of those guys could have made it, and the 366 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: Seahawks still would have had more Pro bowlers than the RAM. 367 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: They tied a franchise record with seven. I don't think 368 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: you need any extra motivation going to the Pacific Northwest, 369 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: but come on, you're playing a head to head in 370 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: the de facto championship game for your division. They've got seven, 371 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: you got two. It shows that we need to change 372 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: the way that we select our Pro bowled Like to 373 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: MJD's point, this can't be a popularity contest, especially with 374 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: incentives and things like that players work to get in 375 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: order to make it. I don't know, but that's me 376 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: either way. We're gonna close up the show with our 377 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: Rams fantasy picks. We don't need to look at last week. 378 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: We're just gonna move forward. Here we go, So MGD, 379 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with you, who do you got for 380 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: this week's matchup? And tell me it's Cooper Cup. You 381 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: already know it's Cooper Cup. I listen. It doesn't matter 382 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: if it's an NFC West opponent. Cooper Cup goes to work. 383 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: I don't know why that is, but they tend to 384 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: lean on him a ton. I was torn between him Higbee, 385 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: but I think it's a cup Cooper Cup. Week is 386 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,199 Speaker 1: third and Cup. That's what we need, at least that's 387 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: what I need. So we'll see. I know you and 388 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: your fantasy team that just like leans on that man. 389 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: It is hilarious. DeMarco, what do you got? Who do 390 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: you got? You know, I'll go with Darryl Henderson. I 391 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 1: think he's gonna be the guy this week. I think 392 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: he's gonna get the carries, and I think he's gonna 393 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: get the opportunity to break out a little bit and 394 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: be the bell call back. And I would love to 395 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: go with Cooper Cup. There's just one part of that 396 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: equation that I can't control. Even if he's open, you 397 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: gotta throw it to him, you know what I mean. 398 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: But Daryl Henderson different deal. Turn around and handed to 399 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: him and let's go. So I'll take Daryl Darrell Henderson. 400 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: I was torn between both of those. And here's what 401 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: I read this morning that that tipped in Darryl Henderson's favor. 402 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: The Seahawks apparently have not surrendered a receiver touchdown since 403 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: they played in Buffalo. That was the week before they 404 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: came to Englewood to take on the Rams in Week ten. 405 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: So I'll go reverse Jinks and I'll take Darrel Henderson. 406 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: A'll side with DeMarco, and I'll hope that the answer 407 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: is all of the above and that Cooper Cup gets 408 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 1: his as well. I'm gonna split this one and I'm 409 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: gonna go with m J D here. I'm actually gonna 410 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: say Cooper Cup to the reason obviously, I think that 411 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: he's going to have a big game. Also for Maurice's sake, 412 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: I hope that he gets some extra Fantasy points. So 413 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to help you out for your holiday spirit here. 414 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: But I also just think in general, like Cooper Cup. Again, 415 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: like last week we saw Robert Woods have a big 416 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: game both in running and receiving yards, So I'm kind 417 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: of like they're gonna maybe prepare for him and then 418 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: Coop can do his thing against the Seattle Sea Helps 419 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: because it's not like Pete Carroll is not going to 420 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: prepare for this matchup either, So Cooper Cup, let's go. 421 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: All right. That's it for our Week sixteen edition of 422 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 1: Between the Horns for Maurice Jones, Drew, Tomarco far and 423 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,239 Speaker 1: Serena Morales. I'm JB. Long, you know at rams at 424 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: Seahawks from lumen Field. What happened a century? Only? You 425 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: have to practice that a few times before Sunday in 426 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: Week sixteen. Yeah, Race is rubbing his key fingers. It's 427 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: one twenty five Pacific time on Fox. And as always, 428 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,679 Speaker 1: you can listen to our radio broadcast on seven ten 429 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 1: ESPN and also Jack FM in the Los Angeles area. 430 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: And while you may not be able to join us 431 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: at Sofi Stadium this season, for that Week seventeen finale, 432 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: we cannot wait for you to step into the Rams 433 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: House next year. There's still time to be among the 434 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: first to experience Sofi Stadium. To join us and to 435 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: purchase season tickets, visit the Rams dot com slash twenty 436 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: twenty one. The Rams dot com slash twenty twenty one. 437 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: Wishing all of you a very healthy holiday season, Mary 438 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: Christmas everyone. We'll see you next week. Marco njd Serena 439 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 1: Bewa