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Speaker 1: From the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: It is Jaggs Am J P.

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Speaker 1: Shadwick with John Ogier and we start right off the

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Speaker 1: rip today with Judy Bautista, NFL Network, the Goat.

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Speaker 2: Nice to see you, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Very much, great to be here.

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Speaker 2: Good how are you well.

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Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure to catch up with you. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for taking some time this morning. We've got plenty to

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Speaker 1: get to. We'll hear from Liam Cohen and James Gladstone

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Speaker 1: coming up in just a little bit. But here we

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Speaker 1: are again, Jaguars with a new staff in place. The

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Speaker 1: process to get to this point. I feel like we've

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Speaker 1: had this story at the Combine a lot over the

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Speaker 1: last thirty years or so, but this is the youngest

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Speaker 1: of the Oh my goodness, what do you think?

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Speaker 3: They're young? But I think that's okay. First of all,

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Speaker 3: we've seen that.

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Speaker 4: Trend in the NFL going towards younger energy. Seems to

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Speaker 4: be a big thing that teams.

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Speaker 3: Want, right that that factor.

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Speaker 4: I think we saw that in Carolina when they hired

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Speaker 4: Dad Canalis last year. Seems sort of thing they wanted,

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Speaker 4: that vibe and somebody who can connect with a young

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Speaker 4: quarterback and that's certainly when you hear them, and you

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Speaker 4: don't even need to hear them, you just know it.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to be a brain surgeon to know

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Speaker 4: if they've got to connect and get the most out

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Speaker 4: of Trevor to make this war.

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Speaker 5: And the McVeigh tree, if you will, as trees do.

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Speaker 5: They seem to be sort of growing roots and defining

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Speaker 5: a lot of the league the way other systems have

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Speaker 5: in the past. What do you think about their approach

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Speaker 5: works overall? And that's it's becoming such a mainstay.

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Speaker 6: Of the league.

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Speaker 4: Well, I do think the emphasis on offense, I mean

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Speaker 4: is just and the emphasis on quarterback play and quarterback development,

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Speaker 4: I mean, this is where the league is, right. I

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Speaker 4: think we all love the idea of well, defense wins championships,

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Speaker 4: and that's true to a degree. But if you don't

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Speaker 4: have top level quarterback play.

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Speaker 3: You don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 4: And Philadelphia is absolutely the perfect example of that. Right,

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Speaker 4: they have tremendous defensive play, they have a tremendous running back,

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Speaker 4: but if Jalen Hurts doesn't have a great stretch during

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Speaker 4: the playoffs and certainly in the Super Bowl, like, are

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Speaker 4: they the world champions? Right?

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Speaker 3: Now, I don't think so. You're still not.

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Speaker 4: Getting there without top level quarterback play. And so to

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Speaker 4: the extent that the McVeigh tree has produced guys who

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Speaker 4: can connect with quarterbacks and get the best out of quarterbacks,

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Speaker 4: that's what's going to be successful these days.

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Speaker 2: Judy Batista, NFL Media with US.

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Speaker 1: Is mister Kahn's four heat season of ownership coming up?

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Speaker 1: You're close to a lot of the ownership around the NFL.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be seventy five years old next year.

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Speaker 1: He's done in a number of different ways putting together

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Speaker 1: football leadership, but now he's split it up into three

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Speaker 1: distinct roles, the head coach, the GM and the EVP

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Speaker 1: of football operations at Tony Boselli. What is the general

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Speaker 1: consensus on mister Kahn's ownership around the league when when

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Speaker 1: you hear from others in a similar position.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I think most importantly for fans, right,

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Speaker 4: he is willing to invest his money in the team

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Speaker 4: and in surrounding them with everything they need to be successful.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 4: I mean the facility, the training facility is fantastic. Right,

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Speaker 4: They're going to upgrade the stadium, like he is willing

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Speaker 4: to spend whatever it takes to win. Then it is

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Speaker 4: just a matter of the GM and you know football

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Speaker 4: ops like doing their jobs well and coaches doing their

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Speaker 4: jobs well. But from an ownership person respective, he is

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Speaker 4: what you want because he is willing to put his

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Speaker 4: money behind what he wants. But he is also not meddling, right,

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Speaker 4: Like he is empowering people, right, and he did that

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Speaker 4: and he's done that with past regimes too. But he

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Speaker 4: empowers his people that he thinks of the right people

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Speaker 4: to do what they think needs to be done. You know,

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Speaker 4: the question is has he empowered the right people? But

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Speaker 4: that's the same question that every franchise right faces And

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Speaker 4: like you know, Shot is a relatively new owner in

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Speaker 4: the scheme of the NFL. You've seen franchises with much

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Speaker 4: longer ownership tenures right, family owners who have been family

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Speaker 4: owners since the very beginning who struggle with this. So

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Speaker 4: it is it's not a matter of like Shobs too

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Speaker 4: they all struggle with it at some point. So I

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Speaker 4: think for fans, he's what you wanted an owner because

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Speaker 4: he is willing to spend what needs to be spent.

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Speaker 5: I think what people lose sight of it. That is,

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Speaker 5: it takes a while for an owner to figure out

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Speaker 5: how to do it. And each sort of regime you

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Speaker 5: put in, it's not like there's a six month learning

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Speaker 5: curve on that. Each regime you put in is a

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Speaker 5: four or five year process, So it tends to take

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Speaker 5: a while. It's like you said, there's really no magic.

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Speaker 5: Everybody asked me all seasons, should they do an e VP?

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Speaker 5: Should they do just GM? There's no magic formula, right, No,

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Speaker 5: some have it and.

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Speaker 4: It works and some don't and it works like it's

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Speaker 4: it's just do you have the right people in place?

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Speaker 4: And so let's be honest. So much of this is luck.

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Speaker 4: Do you hit on the right quarterback? Does that quarterback

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Speaker 4: rot continue to develop?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: Do you avoid injuries?

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Speaker 4: I mean just on a year to year basis, so

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Speaker 4: much of wins and losses goes to things that you

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Speaker 4: just can't even anticipate.

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Speaker 5: I have questions for the NFL experts.

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Speaker 2: To talk to the experts.

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Speaker 5: Off season trends. As you start to look at the

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Speaker 5: off season, what's going to shape the NFL? Until we

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Speaker 5: get to maybe OTA's what are going to be the

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Speaker 5: storylines You're looking for at the owners meetings, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: Well, first of I mean at the owner's meetings. I'm

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Speaker 4: curious to see how much more they add to replay

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Speaker 5: Which is a slippery slope when they do that right

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Speaker 5: correct now.

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Speaker 4: I think they like the way it worked last year,

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Speaker 4: which was, you know, basically hits to the head and

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Speaker 4: would allow replay assists to say like, nah, that they

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Speaker 4: didn't really hit them in the head, pick up the flag.

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Speaker 4: But they want to add more. Roger Goodell said this,

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Speaker 4: they want to use technology to help officials. He spent

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Speaker 4: and I think they recognize the game is so fast

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Speaker 4: correctly in real time, whereas the rest of us you

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Speaker 3: Obviously that person was hitting the head. Why wasn't a

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Speaker 3: flag throne? Of course that's a face mask.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know not when the guys are running at

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Speaker 4: full speed and the official is trailing, it's very hard

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Speaker 4: to see. So I'm curious to see how much more

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Speaker 4: replaces they're willing to use. They've always been reluctant to

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Speaker 4: are they going to cross that bridge?

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Speaker 5: Well, because that's a big The spirit of replay originally

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Speaker 5: was get the call right if the guy in the

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Speaker 5: sports bar can see it right.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

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Speaker 2: And then when.

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Speaker 5: You're talking about what you're talking about, are they bringing

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Speaker 5: back pass interference into it?

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Speaker 4: Which is just that I think that that I think

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Speaker 4: scarred them so significantly that it's going to be a

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Speaker 4: long time before we get to subjective calls being reviewable.

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Speaker 4: That was moved such a mask. But right, you're moving

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Speaker 4: toward things like that.

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Speaker 2: What about the push pleasure?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So, like nothing I've ever tweeted got as much traction

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Speaker 4: as when I tweeted that there was a team that

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Speaker 4: wanted to get rid of the push.

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Speaker 3: Play and it was the Packers that brought it up.

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Speaker 4: It is the Packers and Mark Murphy, who is about

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Speaker 4: to retire, had written about his opposition to the push play.

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Speaker 4: Here's the thing about the push play. It looks like

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Speaker 4: a play that should cause injuries, right except it's run

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Speaker 4: so infrequently that there's no injury data, so the league

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Speaker 4: can't look at it and say, look at all this

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Speaker 4: injury data, we got to get rid of this play.

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Speaker 4: There's just nothing to suggest that because knock on wood,

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Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts doesn't get hurt. They're awesome at it. Very

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Speaker 4: few other teams even attempted, so there's not that thing

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Speaker 4: that could push them to ban it. There's also the

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Speaker 4: element of people who just think, like, this doesn't really

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Speaker 4: look like a football play, right, This looks like a

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Speaker 4: rugby play should allowed that it doesn't feel right. The

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Speaker 4: reality of the situation, though, is like once a defense

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Speaker 4: stops it, people will stop running it.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: The fact is nobody has effectively stopped it right, and

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Speaker 4: nobody stopped it knock on wood, nobody's gotten hurt.

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Speaker 3: I keep saying, and this is a fatalist way of

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Speaker 4: But like the first time a quarterback attempts it and

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Speaker 4: gets his shoulder dislocated will be the last time that

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Speaker 4: play is run right, right, Like that will be the

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Speaker 4: end of the play. I it's very hard to get

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Speaker 4: twenty four votes on anything, very hard to get ownership

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Speaker 3: Twenty four votes. I'd be really surprised.

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Speaker 4: If they get rid of it, because I think the

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Speaker 4: answer is, like stop it, get your defense to stop it,

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Speaker 4: and will stop running it.

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Speaker 2: Jaguar stopped it twice this year, that's right, two point plays.

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Speaker 2: It blew up the center. It was a highlight and

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Speaker 2: his in went up and ran into the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I mean the reality is, and I mean you heard

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Speaker 4: He's like, I'm sort of offended by this, you know, Like,

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're really good at it and they practice it,

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Speaker 4: which is why other teams are not as good at it,

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Speaker 4: because first of all, they don't have a quarterback who

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Speaker 4: can squat whatever it is he squats six hundred pounds

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Speaker 4: or something ridiculous. They don't have, you know, Jordan Malatta.

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Speaker 4: They always run it right behind him right and he

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Speaker 4: goes down low. They didn't have Jason Kelsey who could

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Speaker 4: really go so they don't have the personnel. They don't

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Speaker 4: have the commitment to running it. They're not practicing it

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Speaker 4: the way the Eagles do. If other teams had those elements,

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Speaker 4: they would be able to run it to and defenses

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Speaker 4: need to figure out how to stop it. You saw

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Speaker 4: the Chiefs in the Super Bowl try to line up

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Speaker 4: Chris Jones turned sideways.

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Speaker 3: He got hurt.

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Speaker 4: I think on that play, so that again, I I

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Speaker 4: hate to put it this way, but you know, the

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Speaker 4: first time it's run in a quarterback gets blown up

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Speaker 4: and gets hurt, that will probably be the last time

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Speaker 4: it gets run.

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Speaker 5: And then there's the precedent if you stop that play

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Speaker 5: the next time Simmy comes it to the play, Well,

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Speaker 5: why don't you stop that too, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like just I mean, you got to. I

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Speaker 5: I don't know, somewhat more interesting, yes, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean it's right now it is a ceremonial play, and

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It's Jags Am from the Indiana Convention Center

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Speaker 1: The NFL scouting Combine is underway and the first prospects

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Speaker 6: Have no shot.

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Speaker 7: There's plenty, especially with player acquisition, there's so many players

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Speaker 1: That's the head coach John and pretty clearly they are

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Speaker 5: Sometimes reality and the way people analyze things differs from how.

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Speaker 5: People always want to know what final say is, and

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Speaker 5: But this system is they're doing it. It makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I just picture when you said the battleship the electric

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Speaker 1: Scenes, certainly, let's hear from James Ladstone Jaguars GM also

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Speaker 2: Clear communication is key.

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Speaker 8: it's definitely something that I value. And you know, I

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Speaker 5: Well, he's he's really impressive. I mean I didn't know

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Speaker 5: I don't want to get into a brain braw competition

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Speaker 1: Let's now finish for our final big thing today, the

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Speaker 5: March twelfth comes up quick. Yeah, I just thinking them

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Speaker 2: There you have it.

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Speaker 1: We're back in a moment plenty more ahead here from

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Speaker 7: M Yeah, that's what this is it's being able to

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Speaker 2: And then when you get.

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Speaker 7: Into the evaluation and get into some of these formal

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Speaker 7: meetings settings, Hey, we're evaluating coaches just as much as

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Speaker 7: anything and able to give feedback and see what these

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Speaker 7: guys can truly do.

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Speaker 2: It's been exciting. Liam Cohen, Jaguars head coach yesterday.

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Speaker 6: The full availability and our.

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Speaker 1: Conversation with him available at Jaguars dot com and Jaguars YouTube.

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Speaker 1: The new season right around the corner of the time

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Speaker 1: to get your season ticket membership is right now. You

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Speaker 1: can be at the bank for every touchdown and secure

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Speaker 1: your seats at Jaguars dot com, slash tickets or call

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Speaker 1: nine oh four six three three two thousand, Key Shadwick,

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Speaker 1: John Ozer. Thanks to Judy Batista earlier joining us and

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Speaker 1: also coming up tomorrow, John, Jaguars Happy Hour Radio four o'clock.

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Speaker 2: You'll be on for a segment. Well, be cool forward

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Speaker 2: to that and then it's.

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Speaker 1: Frisco and Boselli for what could be one of the

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Speaker 1: final times together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean four fifteen. I hope you'll join us.

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Speaker 5: It's been a great show. Jaguars fans love it. Tony's

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Speaker 5: roles changing a bit, so to have him on the air,

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Speaker 5: you know, arguing with the little Italian guy, you know,

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Speaker 5: probably won't continue, but it's you know, look, I love

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Speaker 5: the show. They've both been I've known both for well

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Speaker 5: over thirty years. Tony's become a friend. Pete's one of

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Speaker 5: my best friends in the business. Anybody who has enjoyed

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Speaker 5: that show knows it'll be missed in the Jaguars ecosystem

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Speaker 5: is a big word. It'll be missed. But I can

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Speaker 5: tell you this, Tony Boselli, in the role that he's in,

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Speaker 5: is having a huge impact on the organization and an

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Speaker 5: incredibly positive light. He sees the details. He is having

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Speaker 5: an unbelievable impact on the culture already. So whatever trade

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Speaker 5: off of not having him on the air, you know,

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Speaker 5: TB seventy one is you know doing now I think

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Speaker 5: what he's meant to do. So the show will be missed,

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Speaker 5: but he's in the right place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and one more chance tomorrow to hear those two together.

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Speaker 1: Uh maybe not for the last time ever, but I

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Speaker 1: mean certainly for the foreseeable future. It feels like and

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Speaker 1: Tony should have some type of We'll figure out some

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Speaker 1: things to get him on the air some ways, but

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Speaker 1: it just won't be reacting to a game on Monday

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Speaker 1: as we usually did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean I think the plan right now is

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Speaker 5: to have a podcast with Tony so.

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Speaker 2: Well early still, you know, figure out the scheduling and everything.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so he'll offer his thoughts, but just probably not

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Speaker 5: in the same vein as on that show.

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Speaker 2: We had some knockdown drag outs of that show. I

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Speaker 2: will tell you.

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Speaker 1: That sometimes you didn't. There was sometimes I had no

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Speaker 1: idea what Pete was gonna say after a game. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: sometimes it's pretty clear. Yeah, you know, and he's he

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Speaker 1: was good either way. That's what he does. Yes, he does.

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Speaker 1: So that's coming up tomorrow at four o'clock. We'll have

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Speaker 1: it right here from Indianapolis. Let's come back in a moment.

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Speaker 1: We'll wrap up this show. We get a lot coming

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Speaker 1: up today, a schedule of guests who will sit down

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Speaker 1: with us here at Radio Row.

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Speaker 6: And this is jaggs Am.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 1: It is jags Am from Indianapolis, the Indiana Convention Center,

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Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine.

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Speaker 2: Final couple of moments. J P.

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Speaker 1: Shadwick, John Ozer, thanks to Judy Batista. A busy day

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Speaker 1: to day here on the road.

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Speaker 2: John.

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Speaker 1: We've got all kind of guests lined up. Mark Ross,

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Speaker 1: NFL Media, will join us here a little bit later.

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Speaker 1: We'll tape all these and get him out as the

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Speaker 1: day goes along. Charles Davis from like everywhere, CBS, NFL Media,

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Speaker 1: Sirius XM Radio.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what he doesn't do. We'll ask him that.

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Speaker 2: Coming up. Lant Zerline, NFL media draft.

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Speaker 1: Analyst, very good, get his thoughts on the NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: and the number five pick, especially Rhet Lewis NFL Media

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Speaker 1: went to college at Indiana just down the road. But

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Speaker 1: we'll get his thoughts on what's going on with the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars organization.

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Speaker 2: That's all coming up today.

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Speaker 1: We'll have a huddle up with Bucky Brooks that will

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Speaker 1: take a little later this afternoon.

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Speaker 5: Also looking forward to seeing Bucky. He's the mayor of

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Speaker 5: the combine.

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Speaker 2: He is, you know, I haven't seen him do other.

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Speaker 5: Take a number to talk to him one of those

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Speaker 5: things he's take and you wait.

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Speaker 2: Call his secretary and line up some time with Bucky

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Speaker 2: before to that, and you know.

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Speaker 5: As we wrap a few thoughts on yesterday with James

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Speaker 5: Gladstone and Liam Cohen, it was interesting to hear Gladstone

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Speaker 5: talk a little bit about how he plans to build

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Speaker 5: the roster. They don't typically get too deep into it,

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Speaker 5: but he clearly leaned toward the draft. I think they'll

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Speaker 5: be participants in free agency. I think over time they're

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Speaker 5: going to want to try to be a draft and

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Speaker 5: developed team. I liked that I would be in favor

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Speaker 5: of staying as far away from free He's as you possibly.

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Speaker 2: Can front line for you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, big money, and it sounds like in the long

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Speaker 5: run they want to do that. I also thought it

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Speaker 5: was interesting that Doug Gladstone clearly thinks, like Liam Cohen,

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Speaker 5: that that this should be a much better team quickly.

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Speaker 5: He said a couple of times, I think you're gonna see,

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Speaker 5: uh the personnel used a little differently, get a little

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Speaker 5: more out of it.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 5: There's a feeling from these guys that you know, they're

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Speaker 5: not saying it and beating the table, but I think

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Speaker 5: they think they can get a lot better really quickly.

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Speaker 5: And uh, that's sort of confidence. I don't think it's false,

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Speaker 5: you know, I don't think it's overstating it. But there's

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Speaker 5: a feeling that they get they can get this turned

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Speaker 5: around quickly. There are holes in the roster, there's stuff

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Speaker 5: that has to be done, but I think I think

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Speaker 5: you're gonna see progress pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: Great stuff, Johnny, A good show. Let's do it again

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Speaker 2: tomorrow or later today.

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Speaker 5: I'll be here.

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Speaker 1: It's John Oser. I'm JP Shatterick. Thanks for ourring tire

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Speaker 1: Krubos here and back in Jacksonville. And again thanks to

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Speaker 1: Judy Batista, NFL Media. Thanks to you for watching Jaggs

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