1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: hit any shot I kind of want. 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 5 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 6 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 3: Hey, hey, everybody, welcome back to the Ping proven Grounds podcast. 7 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 3: Shane Bacon with Marty Jerts and Marty very excited about 8 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 3: this episode. I've been a Vision fifty four fan for 9 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 3: a long time, just the idea of it. I've listened 10 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 3: to podcasts before. I know you have discussed a lot 11 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 3: of stuff with these two ladies and been very impressed 12 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 3: with what they've been able to do. Lynn Marriott and 13 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 3: Pia Nielsen. And Lynn, I want to start with you 14 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 3: because for people that have never heard of Vision fifty 15 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,319 Speaker 3: four don't know what it is, can you just kind 16 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 3: of give what I guess your overarching pitch to what 17 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 3: you guys do. 18 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, fifty four is obviously a number, and we 19 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 4: believe a player is going to shoot fifty four or 20 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 4: lower someday. We don't know who and when, but I 21 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 4: mean it's core to our belief and with that we 22 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 4: look at possibilities and I'll just say that. Also, we've 23 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 4: coached two professional players that have shot fifty nine fifty. 24 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: Four, But can you share who that is or no? 25 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 4: Oh sure it's Anika okay and Russell Knox okay. Yep, 26 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 4: So you know it is a number. But as I said, 27 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 4: it's really about looking at possibilities, and so many people 28 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 4: have things in their game that aren't yet realized, and 29 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 4: we need to help them realize those things. 30 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 3: I mean, p is this about like unlocking the mental box? 31 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 4: You know? 32 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you hear so many things like 33 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 3: we only use ten percent of our brains, things like that. 34 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 3: I mean you think about you know, great golfers going 35 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 3: out there and you play well for three rounds and 36 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 3: you're in an uncomfortable position and you don't play well 37 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 3: in the final round. We see that in major championships 38 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: a lot. Is it unlocking parts of the brain they 39 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: didn't know existed. 40 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 5: Well, it's actually more than that, because the big thing 41 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 5: for us is, you know, we want to have good 42 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 5: equipment and want to have a good technique and good fitness. 43 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 5: But when you go and play on the golf course, 44 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 5: the process of playing requires you to manage both your body, 45 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 5: mind and emotion, like how do you actually prepare for 46 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 5: a golf shot and make a decision to trust? How 47 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 5: do you stay focused in the motion? I know, how 48 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 5: do you best react? And every round we play has 49 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 5: so much variability, and we as teach, as coaches and 50 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 5: coaching for the future, we need to help them manage 51 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 5: that because we are never the same. But many times 52 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 5: why the swing changes on the course, it's actually not 53 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 5: the technique's fault. It's something that influenced the technique. You're 54 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 5: getting too tight because then error is narrow fair way 55 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 5: or you know someone is sitting it further than new 56 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 5: so you swing too fast. So we just want to 57 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 5: expand the width of what golf training, golf coaching he 58 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 5: is about. 59 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: We don't. 60 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 5: We think it's been too narrow, and so we call 61 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 5: it more. We need to look at the reality of 62 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 5: golf and have coaching for all the aspects needed to 63 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 5: play the game. 64 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 2: Pere one thing that I think we've seen even the 65 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,679 Speaker 2: PGA of America. Do you gals might have been part 66 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: of this change? Is this the word change of golf 67 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: instruction from instructor to coach. And you've always I feel 68 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: like you've always use the word coach. How much does 69 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: that matter? What is your approach on thinking about, you know, 70 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: coaching versus just being a teacher or instructor. 71 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 5: I mean, actually we love that and we find it 72 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 5: fun because some now call themself coach, but they still 73 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 5: do the same as when they call themself teacher and instructor. 74 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 5: So it's kind of like, you know, I can be 75 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 5: a teacher and teach you the grip, or teach your alignment, 76 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 5: or teach you how to get more speed, or teach 77 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 5: your math. But the coach for us is when you 78 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 5: help a player go from point A to point B. 79 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 5: It's like learning. It could be teaching, but then you 80 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 5: need to coach them to help them have ownership and 81 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 5: help them actually play the game better. And that's different 82 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 5: from just teaching a skill. So we might teach some 83 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 5: but we always continue and be coaches so we can 84 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 5: transfer the knowledge to them. 85 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'll just say this. I've been a PGA 86 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 4: member for forty years, so you know, my initial instruct 87 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 4: instruction as a teacher was to teach. And so I 88 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 4: was a teacher. I taught people golf swings or strokes 89 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 4: and chips, and you know, I taught technique and people 90 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 4: got better technique, they got better, but then they went 91 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 4: on to play golf and they didn't necessarily play better, 92 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 4: and sometimes they played worse. But as a teacher, I 93 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 4: didn't really think it was my fault or my responsibility. 94 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 4: I had taught them how to have a better technique. 95 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,559 Speaker 4: So when I made that transition to coach, as Pas said, 96 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 4: and that was all about what do they do on 97 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 4: the golf course and how can I help them manage 98 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 4: themselves on the golf course, and techniques part of that, 99 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 4: and teaching might be part of that, but it's really 100 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 4: helping them, as Ps said, take ownership, like be able 101 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 4: to self manage out there and self regulate. 102 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: You know. 103 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 1: Then it's interesting. 104 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 3: I mean I think about you know, you kind of 105 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 3: get in a box in terms of instruction, right and 106 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we're sitting at the proving grounds 107 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 3: and you have people getting fit right now behind us, 108 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 3: and you have fitters at times that are you know, 109 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 3: paying attention to golf or maybe it's a ten handicap, 110 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 3: twelve handicap and they're trying to fit them in equipment. 111 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 3: They might also have instruction for them as well. With 112 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: the golf swing right, and maybe you know, some people 113 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 3: feel more comfortable saying you know, if you're taking it 114 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 3: that far outside, it's not going to be great. I 115 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: do think opening up the mind to like just wanting 116 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 3: to help somebody be better at golf at the end 117 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: of the day is kind of the end goal versus 118 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: you know, no matter if you're a coach or an instructor, 119 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 3: a teacher or whatever, if you're helping somebody get better 120 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 3: at golf through all of those things, that's the win. 121 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. But I think at Vision fifty four we have 122 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 4: a little bit more of a distinction right now, and 123 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 4: it really has been our focus for twenty plus years. 124 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 4: We wanted to play better on the golf. 125 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: Course, and that's where it matters, I know. 126 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 4: But that is a clear distinction because so many players 127 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 4: prepare to play and they work on their games on 128 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 4: the range, they get fit for clubs, they do all 129 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 4: of that, but they still lack skills on the golf course. 130 00:05:57,960 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 1: Interesting. 131 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Marty, we just did a podcast with 132 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 3: a PJA Tour player and we were talking about how 133 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: you prep and get ready for golf tournaments, and it 134 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: was interesting because he said all of the stuff he 135 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 3: looks at in terms of numbers he looks at when 136 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 3: he's on the golf course versus when he's hitting on 137 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 3: the range, because he goes, you know, you can dial 138 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 3: in numbers, especially when you're that level of talent. On 139 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 3: the range, it's easy to do that, but it's important 140 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:19,359 Speaker 3: when you got on the golf course to see what 141 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 3: those numbers look like. 142 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And Shane, one of the reasons we love 143 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 2: working with Pa and Lynn is there's a lot of 144 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: similarities in what we're trying to do with club fitting 145 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: because it'd be very easy to optimize a driver when 146 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 2: you're just hitting one after another. We're trying to work 147 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: on this concept of you know, game like fitting where 148 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: it's like, how can we bring those aspects of on 149 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 2: course play into the fitting environment. Both of you just 150 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: had a fitting with Kim Paez, had a great. 151 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: Experience, fantastic. 152 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 2: What over the years have you seen in a fitting 153 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: experience that some things that are maybe better than incorporate 154 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: some of the principles of your coaching versus some maybe 155 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: mistakes that can be made in just the fitting experience. 156 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 5: And I must say, just having done you know, fittings 157 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 5: here myself a few years it's just getting better and 158 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 5: better and better. And what I notice now when we've 159 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 5: done it is more consideration to how I actually play golf. 160 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 5: You don't tit like you know, ten seven irons in 161 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 5: a row. There's more flexibility. And also you know, it's 162 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 5: not scraping and hitting, because sometimes when you get fit, 163 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 5: you keep hitting and they want to hit the good one, 164 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 5: good one. They start forcing it and it gets so 165 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 5: out of context to how you do it on the 166 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 5: golf course. So I just felt there are more with 167 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 5: the fit. There's more consideration to that. It took more 168 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 5: breaks and you know, change targets more and make it 169 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 5: more golf like and asking more questions how I play 170 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 5: golf and what clubs I want to hit, instead of 171 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 5: just being set formula how you do fitting with everybody. 172 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 5: It's more uniqueness to it because I can think it 173 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 5: can be very uncomfortable otherwise when you just feel this pressure, 174 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 5: I better hit five good drive Snyles, so otherwise I'm 175 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 5: not going to get the good fit. 176 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah. One of the pieces we brought from 177 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: from your school is remember you know you have your 178 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: bag of balls you leave behind in the thing box 179 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: you have to go grab one, be very intentional about 180 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 2: your shot in our driver fittings. That's one of the 181 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: pieces we do at the end is Okay, we're going 182 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: to take away the pyramid of balls and I'm going 183 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: to throw you one ball kind of like a tour player. 184 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: Maybe how you aim it and pretend the fairways between 185 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: those two poles out there and things of that nature. 186 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean as close to an actual golf 187 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 3: course as possible. So I want you to take us 188 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 3: back because you know, you've kind of explained what you 189 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 3: guys do and how you do it, and you know 190 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 3: the conversations you might have with golfers about playing better 191 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 3: on the golf course. But how did this begin? Like 192 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 3: where did the idea of this come from? And we 193 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 3: were talking before he got going. You initially had had 194 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: this in terms of talking to instructors and coaches before 195 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: actually talking to players. So take us back to the 196 00:08:57,520 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: late nineties. 197 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, well I think we need to go even further 198 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 4: back because Vision fifty four started in Sweden. 199 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, but you can tell your store first. 200 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 4: Well I know, but I'm wanting to Vision fifty four. 201 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 5: Well it came because in Sweden, Yeah, you know, after 202 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 5: being a tour player. I just happened to get into 203 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 5: coaching and I ended up being a head coach of 204 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 5: our national teams in Sweden. But having been more Americanized 205 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 5: and being on tour and played college golf and all 206 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 5: of that, I just realized that we need to get 207 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 5: these players here to have a little different shift because 208 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 5: they had so many excuses where they couldn't be good. 209 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 5: So we just realized that that the players on the 210 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 5: national team, they had made birdies on each one of 211 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 5: the holes of their home course, most of them. So 212 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 5: we just started asking them like, Okay, you've already done 213 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 5: it on each hole, so what would it take if 214 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 5: anyone would ever be able to do it during the 215 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 5: same round, Like just if it would be possible, how 216 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 5: do you need to swing? How fit you need to be, 217 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 5: how do you need to think? It just kept going 218 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 5: and we realized it was just getting them out of 219 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 5: having a better vision of the future. So that's where 220 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 5: it started, and it's the best thing we ever did, 221 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 5: because then we had to look at us as coaches, 222 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 5: if we're going to support players towards this, who do 223 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 5: we need to be, what do we need to know? 224 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 5: And obviously Anika Serstam is one of the ones that 225 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 5: heard it the first time, and she always had a 226 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 5: fifty four head cover in her bag, so she's not 227 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 5: expecting to do that, but going for the possibility. So 228 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 5: but for me, it came with I've been a tour 229 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 5: player and played college golf here and was among the 230 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 5: first Europeans to come over and do that. And then 231 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 5: when I started coaching, my first thought was what are 232 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,599 Speaker 5: the things I wish I would have had? And I 233 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 5: had had fantastic teachers and coaches, but I knew not 234 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 5: I didn't get enough actually observing and feedback what happens 235 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 5: on the course because I could hit it well, but 236 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 5: then I don't know why it didn't work on the course. 237 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 5: So I just started to figure out what are the 238 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 5: things they're still lacking. So that's where my discovery started. 239 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 5: And I realized this is like golden nuggets here because 240 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 5: we need all the what we have, but we need 241 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 5: more of this what actually happens when I play golf, 242 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 5: and every golfer has a unique way of doing it, 243 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 5: we need to help them capture it sooner so it 244 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 5: doesn't have to take twenty years. So and we started 245 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 5: having a lot of success doing it. Like this, and 246 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 5: I went to the US a lot for trainings and 247 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 5: seminars and conferences, and I would always run into one 248 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 5: other female teacher who was my age and was Linn. 249 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 5: So we just became really good colleagues and realized that 250 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 5: we both from different backgrounds, had thoughts about this could 251 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 5: be done different in the future. 252 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: So that was the initial idea. 253 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 4: Yeahsage Genes, and then you. 254 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: Guys team up together in the late nineties to kind 255 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 3: of like start a company that wasn't originally collevision but before. 256 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 4: No, we had this vision that if this is going 257 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 4: to happen for more people, we need to train coaches differently. So, 258 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 4: I mean, that was our whole passion. So we started 259 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 4: a company and it's still our incorporated name, Coaching for 260 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 4: the Future. And so in ninety eight we did our 261 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 4: first coaching seminar in Stockholm, Sweden, and I don't know, 262 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 4: we had like forty coaches come, some college coaches from 263 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 4: the US, I mean from all over and you know, 264 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 4: I had been actually head of teacher training for the 265 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 4: LPGA for ten plus years, so I said, let you know, 266 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 4: let's do this thing and really help coaches, because you know, 267 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 4: teachers are only going to teach what they're told to teach. 268 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 4: So I unfortunately at that time, I felt like the 269 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 4: PGA and also in the LPGA was doing a better 270 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 4: job than the PGA, but they were still they you know, 271 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 4: they were at low level basic skills as coaches, and 272 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 4: people were not getting better at golf. So how can 273 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 4: we help that? 274 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,239 Speaker 3: I mean, if you're coaching somebody and they're not improving, 275 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: coaching in general, right exactly. 276 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: I wanted to. 277 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: Get them to a place where they're obviously playing better, 278 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 3: scoring better, shooting better numbers. 279 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 4: I mean that's the way, and enjoying the game more, right, Yeah, 280 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 4: I mean that was a big deal for us. 281 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 5: So, I mean they enjoying the game, because we shocked 282 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 5: how many come off the eighteenth old being miserable and 283 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 5: it doesn't make sense. So obviously we've been doing tool 284 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 5: coaching for very many years and they're many very great players, 285 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 5: but they're very unhappy and it doesn't make sense. So 286 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 5: we just want to want them to be good but 287 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 5: actually enjoy and feel that there it means something to 288 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 5: them to do this competitive. 289 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 1: Golf thing, is it? 290 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 3: Are you guys mostly working with tour players, mostly working 291 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 3: with everyday golfers, Like, what's the percentage mix of the 292 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: students you guys work with. 293 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 4: I mean, we still do a lot of golf schools, 294 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 4: and we do some very unique golf schools, like one 295 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 4: is called to day on course only and that's all 296 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 4: they do is they're on the golf course with our coaches. 297 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 4: But I'd say like maybe thirty percent tour coaching now, yeah, 298 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 4: and then golf schools and writing books. So we've been 299 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 4: pretty PA has been really the initiator of this, but 300 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 4: it's been writing some books to help people make these 301 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 4: skills tangible that we do. And we have a big project. 302 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 4: We're writing a coaching book. Cool yeah, cool yeah, coaches. 303 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: Both of you. 304 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: I think a big part of our concept is to 305 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 2: coach the human. But at the same time, I feel like, 306 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: at least from what I've observed, you haven't been afraid 307 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 2: to dabble with some technology, things like eye tracking, maybe 308 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 2: some brainwave stuff HRV. We did HRV stack, Yes, the 309 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: Stack speed training. I kind of call it biohacking, but 310 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: it's not really taking the shortcut. It's just you know, 311 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 2: what tools have you been a part of used either 312 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: through research or do you currently use in your coaching 313 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: and what do you think is coming on the technology front. 314 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 5: Well, you know, so we've always been curious, and you know, 315 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 5: we always believe in the technique and technology. We just 316 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 5: think it's insufficient. So you know, even with TPI and 317 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 5: body swing connection, we were some of the first to 318 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 5: get certified with that, and early on wanted to learn 319 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 5: from track men and on and always stay up to date. 320 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 5: But then what happens to with our coaching. Most of 321 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 5: the golfers come to us because they need these things 322 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 5: that are still missing. So it's like we want to 323 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 5: be updated and use some of the technology, but then 324 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 5: when they come to us, they want to learn the 325 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 5: other skills you need to play the game of golf. 326 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 5: So therefore we do most of what we do without 327 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 5: the technology. But it doesn't mean we don't believe in it. 328 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 5: It's just because that's what golfers are lacking. Yeah, does 329 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 5: that make sense? 330 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: Definitely, And you. 331 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 5: Know, obviously we think for the future we can keep 332 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 5: on staying so in tune with it to see what 333 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 5: AI can do and all of that and the measurements, 334 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 5: but we can never go away from It's still a 335 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 5: human being who's going to play golf, and the human 336 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 5: being has this subjective reality to you know, you need that. 337 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 5: We need to listen to to trust the decision and 338 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 5: stay focused and feel the swing moves and deal with 339 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 5: all the variability. So we just don't want just to 340 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 5: forget that just because we have so much advancement in technology. 341 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple of things I want to say regards 342 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 4: to technology. One is I hope the framework or the 343 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 4: mindset is that we are using it so people become 344 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 4: less dependent on it, so that they have more ownership. 345 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 4: And I don't see that happening yet, but I hope 346 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 4: that that's the future. 347 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: I just did a teaching and coaching summit and Chris 348 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: Como talked and they asked him what all the technology, 349 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: if you could pick one thing, what would it be. 350 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: And he's been on vocal and force plates and you know, 351 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: everything imaginable and he said, well, the video. I mean, 352 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: and I think it's because he's he's kind of trained 353 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: himself so much with these other tools that he can 354 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: kind of decouple from it. So it's kind of similar 355 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 2: in that regard. 356 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think you know, you said this the 357 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 4: other day that like you have this avatar and you 358 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 4: have all these numbers and measurements of the club and 359 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 4: the body and all that, But what about that inner reality, 360 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 4: like you said, that subjective reality. The more we can 361 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 4: use technology to help people self regulate that and notice 362 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 4: like increase your self awareness so they can self reference 363 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 4: and self regulate, then yay. Now we're talking about people 364 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 4: that can go out and manage themselves on the golf 365 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 4: course when it matters. 366 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: All right, Pee, I got a very I'm going to 367 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 3: call it a simple question, it's probably got a complicated answer. 368 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 3: So every golfer goes through this professional amateur, good amateur player, 369 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 3: club champion, whatever the case may be. You get to 370 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 3: a place on the golf course that you've always wanted 371 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 3: to get to, whether it's breaking a personal number, maybe 372 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 3: you've never been this many under par before. And then 373 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 3: you start to think about it and you bogeat to 374 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 3: with the last three holes, or you bogee or double 375 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 3: the last hole, you get a shot out of bounds. 376 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 3: Why do we do that? 377 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 2: No? 378 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 5: It's yeah, so you know they have as humans, you 379 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 5: can be in the t three timeframes, future, present, the past. Right, 380 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 5: So what happens to you me all these conferences when 381 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 5: we get to that moment the mind is exactly so 382 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 5: it's like you need to find the balance when you 383 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 5: play your best. You know, we always need a little future. 384 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 5: We need to know where the next shot is going. 385 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: But usually what. 386 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 5: Happens is it goes too much to the future. So 387 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 5: often players need when they get to that moment in time, 388 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 5: they need to walk between shots and feel their feet 389 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 5: or focus on their breathing and be extra focused on 390 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,719 Speaker 5: getting really present before the shot and if they want to, 391 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 5: you know, feel the grit pressure, do much more to 392 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 5: double up because the human tendency is to expect the future, right, 393 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 5: and it's so so anything you can do and knowing 394 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,239 Speaker 5: it's totally normal, but you need you can't do what 395 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 5: you did the leading up to that point. You need 396 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 5: to change. And this is where this variability comes in. 397 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 5: And it's so fun to help golfers with this because 398 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 5: it's a moment that we all all get you, all right, 399 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 5: you know. And I still think from the when Anika 400 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 5: Surta Stamp shot fifty nine at Moon Valley here in Phoenix, 401 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 5: and the first thing she said walking off the green 402 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 5: was Pierre now knows even more possible to go lower? Wow, 403 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 5: because she started with eight birds in a row, and 404 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 5: she got scared. It's felt too good to be true, 405 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 5: so she did exactly this. 406 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: She got moved into the future. 407 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 5: So she then she made a couple of safe parts 408 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 5: till she caught herself like, I'm having a good day. 409 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 5: I need to go back to only caring about the 410 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 5: commitment for each shot and only caring about that. And 411 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 5: even though the thought about the score is there, I 412 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 5: don't give it an energy. 413 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so interesting. 414 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 3: We did a podcast with Matt McCarty and we were 415 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 3: talking before the podcast got going about you know, low numbers, 416 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 3: that what's the which you've shot, and he goes, I 417 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 3: think he said, his fourth professional tournament, he shot fifty 418 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 3: nine I think in the first or second round. It 419 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 3: was a mini tour event. He said it was a 420 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 3: relatively easy golf course. And then he said the next day, again, golfers, 421 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 3: our minds are always racing, We're always thinking about stuff. 422 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 3: And he said, the next day, he's even par through eight, 423 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 3: and he's like so mad, you know, because again I think. 424 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: He'd seen what's possible. 425 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then all of a sudden, you start out 426 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 3: and you're even through eight and you're going, wait, why 427 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 3: am I not doing what I did yesterday? So for him, 428 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 3: he went to the past, you know, not the present, right, 429 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 3: instead of going to you know, person's playing, well they 430 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 3: going in the future. He went to the past as 431 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 3: opposed to be in the future in the present. 432 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,239 Speaker 5: So this is part of this management that belongs to 433 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 5: the fundamental skills of golf. 434 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's it is, It is always wild. 435 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 3: I do want to ask you guys, because I've seen 436 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 3: you guys talk about this in different platforms before. The 437 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 3: think box, the playbox, the memory box, do you mind 438 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 3: just kind of expanding on on how you guys got 439 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 3: there and what that means for the golfer. 440 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, the distinction is is that there's a preparation time. 441 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,919 Speaker 4: So now you're in the future. Sure, you're preparing the shot, 442 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 4: so your brain's actually like, oh, I want to eat 443 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 4: it there with this club and this shape and blah 444 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 4: blah blah. So that's the think box is the preparation. 445 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 4: The play box is totally the present. It's like totally 446 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 4: immersed right now in this swing and stroke with what 447 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 4: I've committed to. And then the memory box is how 448 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 4: to deal with your outcomes on an emotional level. And 449 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 4: I was going to say earlier, when you're talking about 450 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 4: how people race to the future, some people actually go 451 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 4: to the past, and that's because they haven't learned the 452 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 4: skill of a good memory box. But we can talk 453 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 4: about that more. 454 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, interesting. 455 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 5: So you know, so we just like the distinction of 456 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 5: the names because most golfers just moush them all together. 457 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 5: They step into the shot and they're still undecided on 458 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 5: the club or the wind or whatever, and they're still 459 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 5: fiddling with maybe what is my thwing's thoughts. So it's 460 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 5: just like very cluttery. So we just want to clean 461 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 5: it up for golfers so they can perform better. And 462 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 5: that's that's what's any golf no matter what handicap level 463 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 5: or how long they played golf, they need some kind 464 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 5: of a process, a future, present and past of every 465 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 5: golf shop. 466 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: Marty. 467 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 3: I think when I a couple of years ago, I 468 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 3: played some pretty good tournament golf and I was putting well, 469 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 3: and I remember I got to a place in my 470 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 3: mind where I you know, my mind can raise like 471 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 3: I can think about a million different things. I mean 472 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 3: when I'm playing golf and I remember I got to 473 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 3: a place that summer where I realized that there were 474 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 3: two outcomes when I hit a putt. I was gonna 475 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 3: make it or I was gonna miss it. And as 476 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 3: long as I was okay accepting those two things, I 477 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 3: was gonna be okay. And so, you know, a downhill 478 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 3: like I'm left handed, a downhill right to left putt 479 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 3: on a quick green, you know, and you know it's 480 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: a little nervy kind of putt, and it's like, just 481 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 3: try to hit a good putt and then after if 482 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 3: you make a good stroke or a good committed stroke, 483 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,360 Speaker 3: there's two outcomes, and that's kind of it. 484 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's an awesome memory box round. 485 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't bring that back in twenty twenty five, Marty. 486 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: What is the talk a little bit about focusing a 487 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 2: little more on that memory box, like what is the 488 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 2: what is the importance of that and maybe even to 489 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: get it technical on how the brain works. 490 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, because actually it's based on on brain science. 491 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 5: So we know as humans, no matter where I come 492 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,959 Speaker 5: from on the planet, thinks that the experience that is emotional, 493 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 5: it gets stored stronger as a memory if I react 494 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 5: to something more factual, objective, two days later, it's hard 495 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 5: for me to recall it. I mean, if you've seen 496 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 5: a movie that doesn't engage you and you're not into it, 497 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 5: like two days later, it's like, I don't quite remember. 498 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 5: So it's just human nature. But what we have found 499 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 5: many golfers that they can have a habitually hit great shots, 500 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 5: good shots, good enough shots, and they just say that 501 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,160 Speaker 5: was good and they put the club away. So there's 502 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 5: just objective and then the shots they're not good, they 503 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 5: go like, oh god, right, and they don't know that. 504 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 5: So what happens is the ones that emotionalize gets stored 505 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 5: as a memory and then they pop up when I 506 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 5: get to similar situations. 507 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 4: So if you're designed to do that, yeah, So. 508 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 5: If I've done that every time on the fourth hole 509 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 5: of my home course, whether I have hooked it in 510 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 5: the trees, I've done it. You know a few times 511 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 5: I can come to that tea and I can already 512 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 5: feel the misshot. But there's no mystery. It's just how 513 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 5: our beautiful brain of designed for survival. So we just 514 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 5: wanted golfers to be smart about this so you can 515 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 5: keep gaining confidence and have more shots you trust on 516 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 5: the golf course. 517 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 3: I want to ask you know you think of the 518 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 3: term vision fifty four and kind of the ideology of 519 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 3: it in fifty four, you know, shooting this perfect score. 520 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 3: But something I found really interesting is you guys just 521 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 3: worked with an F wind driver. Obviously that is not 522 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 3: golf oriented, but how is that experience working with an 523 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 3: F wind driver and using what you guys have kind 524 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 3: of implemented for golfers two different style of athletes. 525 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 4: Well, I mean it's really fun because it's like, Wow, 526 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 4: he's in this car for three plus hours, right, and 527 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 4: he's got a kind of go in and out of 528 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 4: what we call the playbox. You know, on the straightaways, 529 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 4: he can come out of it a little bit, but 530 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 4: when he's going to do the cours, yeah, I know exactly. 531 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 4: I'm like, this is a whole different league. But we 532 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 4: talk a lot about how to stay sensory present and 533 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 4: you know with him, and it was really cool because 534 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 4: he says, you know, the way I feel the car, 535 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 4: I actually feel it my bum and he goes, you know, 536 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 4: me and the car are won. But then he might 537 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 4: not hit a corner that he likes, and he talks 538 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 4: about that in his head. That's exactly like golf is interesting. 539 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 4: I mean, like, oh, I should have hit that putt, 540 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 4: you know, ball more out to the right, right. Yeah, 541 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 4: And so it's how to manage the self talk that 542 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 4: comes up and then get back to being sensory present. 543 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 4: That is just like golf. 544 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 3: It was there as you guys had those conversations. Did 545 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 3: you see golfers in the way he was thinking just 546 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 3: in terms of you know, I mean, every athlete is 547 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: very different, but the core athletes are extremely I mean 548 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 3: very good athletes are extremely petitive, and they're smart, and 549 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 3: they understand their sport way better than most people. I 550 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 3: think think they understand their sport. Did you see some 551 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: similarities in some of the pro golfers you guys worked 552 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 3: with With an F one driver. 553 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean yeah, And that's a good question. 554 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I was saying so, and I think 555 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 5: for them it's even more extreme. There's so much facts 556 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 5: and signs and numbers and he knows that, and he 557 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 5: needs to have this checklist and there's so much going 558 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 5: into that for the car and him driving the track 559 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 5: and all of that. But then still to be the 560 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 5: best driver, he needs to be back to being intuitive 561 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 5: and present and being in the field so it feels 562 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 5: like it's golf, but even more challenging because of the 563 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 5: speed golf. 564 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 3: You're not normally going to die. 565 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 4: But he's even shared with us. He goes, obviously, I 566 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 4: don't think about that. It goes, you know, it's it's quick. 567 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 4: But I just I've got to you know, it's just 568 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 4: got to I've got to stay present. 569 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, do your job and you'll be okay. 570 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 3: And you're right, same as a golfer, do your job. 571 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: If you can stay in it for eighteen holes and 572 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 3: you're a professional golfer, you're somebody like Marty who's extremely 573 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 3: good at golf. If you can handle all the emotions 574 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 3: of a four and a half hour round of golf, 575 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 3: it's probably gonna go pretty well. 576 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 577 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 578 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 5: And another thing he you know, in golf, we talk 579 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 5: about a lot commit to golf shops and what that 580 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 5: actually means, and he said he needs to have one 581 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 5: hundred percent commitment too, for every corner. He can't be 582 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 5: like ninety five. It's not good enough. And so many 583 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 5: similarities there as well. 584 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 3: How's the relationship gone with you guys in ping? And 585 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 3: how did that start? 586 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 4: I love ping? 587 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: How did the relationship well? 588 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 5: For me because you know, I came in I came 589 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 5: here in the seventies to play for Arizona States. So 590 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 5: I was fortunate enough to get to know Carston and 591 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 5: Luis way way way back and started playing Pings then. 592 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 5: And so the family has always been so supportive and 593 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 5: it was what I played on tour, and as I 594 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 5: started coaching, I had training camps here in Phoenix at 595 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 5: Moon Valley and I've been honored to be so captain 596 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 5: and being around the family that way. So it's it's 597 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 5: for me much more than the club company. It's the 598 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 5: culture that is. It's fantastic, and it's it's a really 599 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 5: nice family to belong to. 600 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I came back here from a stint of 601 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 4: working in California and became the director of instruction at 602 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,120 Speaker 4: Carston at ASU and and that was really when I became, 603 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 4: you know, part of the Pink family and the thing 604 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 4: and so the thing that I appreciate the most is 605 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 4: like this cutting edge research, all these engineers, attention to detail, 606 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 4: and then this feeling like you're part of a family 607 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 4: that they really care. I mean, it's really unique, you. 608 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 3: Know, I mean I have similar experiences, you know, I 609 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 3: mean I was a blogger, you know, and I was 610 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 3: writing articles like coming out of College, and they out 611 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 3: lived in Phoenix, and they'd buy you out, and you know, 612 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 3: you'd get treated like you were somebody important, you know, 613 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 3: even though I mean I wasn't important. You know, they 614 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 3: made you feel like it mattered. And you know, you 615 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 3: get an email from Bill, you know, every six months 616 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 3: you need anything, you know, those types of things. And 617 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 3: then to get to this point where I've been able 618 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 3: to work alongside the company, I mean, you really get 619 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 3: that same sensation, and you hear from the tour players 620 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 3: as well. I mean, I kind of across the board. 621 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 3: It's a great company. 622 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 4: So I just want to add too. The thing is 623 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,959 Speaker 4: here is that they also have an open mind, like 624 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 4: they're interested in learning about what we're doing and how 625 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 4: we're doing it. And sometimes I haven't felt that with 626 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 4: other companies. 627 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to say for me too. Early on, 628 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 5: we just talked about your teachers here locally and in 629 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 5: mind coming here from a foreign country. Was Pembernett, who 630 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 5: was an LPGA player and she worked for Ping and 631 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 5: she taught me just about everything I know about professional 632 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 5: golf and the golf swing and how to act as 633 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 5: a profession how to regroup my clubs, and without term 634 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 5: I wouldn't have that connection with the ping. 635 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 2: I think it'd be very easy for us to kind 636 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: of think about our business as transactional. You know, you 637 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: buy the equipment and you know, come see us for 638 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: your next set irons. But we truly believe that it's 639 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: in our tagline play your Best, is that we want 640 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 2: people to play their best golf on the golf course. 641 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: We want to have lifetime customers, and so I think 642 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,719 Speaker 2: it's been an awesome fit to have both of you 643 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 2: officially part of the part of the family and helping 644 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: us out. 645 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 3: Peel In. This has been lovely. You guys are awesome. 646 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 3: Been a fan of you guys for a long time. 647 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 3: So I'm so pump we got to do this on 648 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 3: the podcast. Thanks for the insights. People want to check 649 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 3: out anything you guys do, go to one of those camps. 650 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 3: Is the easiest way to go to Vision fiftyfour dot com. 651 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 3: Is that the easiest way to do it, So check 652 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 3: that out. Two of the rock Stars and golf. This 653 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 3: is the Pink proven Grounds Podcast.