Speaker 1: Now let's get to the latest on Seawan Diddy Combs.
Speaker 1: Colmbs is currently sitting in a Brooklyn jail on federal
Speaker 1: sex trafficking and racketeering charges. As we all know, Colmb's
Speaker 1: defense team is taking aim at the lawyer representing a
Speaker 1: large share of the music moguls alleged victims, mister Tony Busby.
Speaker 1: Attorneys for Comb's father, new motion on Tuesday to deny
Speaker 1: Busby's request to represent a client in the Southern District
Speaker 1: of New York despite not being licensed there.
Speaker 2: Busby, who's based in.
Speaker 1: Texas, has become the public face of the civil side
Speaker 1: of Comb's legal troubles, representing a slate of alleged victims,
Speaker 1: many of whom are unnamed. You may recall Busby as
Speaker 1: the same attorney of father's sexual assault suit against Jay
Speaker 1: Z that was recently dismissed by the plaintiff identified as
Speaker 1: Jane Dee. Jay then fathered the defamation suit against Busby
Speaker 1: that's now headed to trial in Los Angeles after a
Speaker 1: judge found his claims have enough merit. Meanwhile, Diddy is
Speaker 1: facing another suit, this time from a man accusing him
Speaker 1: of rape. Back in twenty twelve. The man identified anonymously
Speaker 1: as John Doe, followed the complaint on Wednesday. According to
Speaker 1: court documents obtained by USA Today, the man was reportedly
Speaker 1: working as a male escort in Florida at the time
Speaker 1: of the alleged assault. Did these lawyers have denied the claim.
Speaker 1: Let me say this please ladies and gentlemen, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna preface my comments by saying a lot of what
Speaker 1: I'm going to say may come across as a bit unpopular,
Speaker 1: but I don't give a damn because it needs to
Speaker 1: be said. Are these children we're talking about the Jane
Speaker 1: Does of the world, the Jane Does that had Busby
Speaker 1: represent them in a case against with the allegations against
Speaker 1: jay Z, a male Jane Doe that's accusing Diddy of
Speaker 1: sexual malfeasans Are these children?
Speaker 2: If their children?
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm talking about here. We protect children
Speaker 1: at all costs. And I understand that what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out is what's up with the Jane Doe
Speaker 1: stuff with adults.
Speaker 2: So let me get this straight.
Speaker 3: You don't have to tell who you are, even though
Speaker 3: you're making an allegation, even though you've turned around and
Speaker 3: you've hired an attorney, even though that attorney is publicly
Speaker 3: making these allegations known against a Diddy or against a
Speaker 3: jay Z, and their name gets to get gets to
Speaker 3: get raped through the colds, but you get to live
Speaker 3: anonymously it Maybe I should get drug tested?
Speaker 2: I mean, should I Salon? Should I? Sherry? Mike Aaron?
Speaker 4: Who?
Speaker 2: I mean? What what am I missing? You get to.
Speaker 3: Make these accusations that can cost someone millions upon millions
Speaker 3: of dollars, that could potentially incite a criminal case, or in.
Speaker 2: Diddy's case, actually.
Speaker 3: Be a criminal case, stop piling on top of the
Speaker 3: other charges that have been levied against them that can
Speaker 3: keep put him in jail for the rest of his life.
Speaker 3: And you get to be a Jane Doe. Why am
Speaker 3: I the only one bringing this up? Why that's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I'm not talking about children, anybody that's underaged.
Speaker 2: I got that part. But let me also make this claim.
Speaker 3: If you were underage twenty years ago, but now you're
Speaker 3: making a claim like a previous case against Diddy or
Speaker 3: against jay Z, you should be a Jane Doe then
Speaker 3: just because it happened to you when you were a child.
Speaker 3: I understand the child part, but ultimately you have become
Speaker 3: an adult, and once you're an adult, I'm not I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That should be the case. Am I missing something? Is
Speaker 2: it just me? How are you a.
Speaker 3: Jane Doe or John Doe as an adult?
Speaker 1: Something wrong with our legal system? And you know one
Speaker 1: of these days. See, these are the kind of stuff
Speaker 1: that I like to get into. I want to get
Speaker 1: into stuff like this in terms of our legal system.
Speaker 1: I want to get into divorce cases, alimony and palamony
Speaker 1: and the legitimacy of that. I want to get into
Speaker 1: child support. How much should you have to give up?
Speaker 1: How much should you be allowed to get? Et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera, Male or female, No gender bias here. I'm
Speaker 1: just talking about our.
Speaker 3: Legal system because I got a lot of problems with
Speaker 3: the legal system.
Speaker 2: This is one of them. I can't wait to talk
Speaker 2: to my next guest about this. I need explanations.
Speaker 1: You get to accuse somebody and never have to identify
Speaker 1: some or even if you have to identify yourself later.
Speaker 2: I don't give a damn about that.
Speaker 3: I give a damn about why do we know about
Speaker 3: jay Z allegations, allegations against jay Z, allegations against p Diddy,
Speaker 3: but we don't know the names or specifically who's accusing them.
Speaker 2: Something wrong with that.
Speaker 1: That's not America, y'all, or at least it shouldn't be America.
Speaker 1: Now before I get to my next guest, I know
Speaker 1: what some of y'all are thinking, especially in the case
Speaker 1: of Diddy. I mean, one could argue he has a
Speaker 1: history of witness intimidation, if not straight violence based on
Speaker 1: what we saw him do to Cassie Ventura, history of
Speaker 1: intimidation and violence against those who attempt to go after him.
Speaker 1: Had a producer heroe to me, there are legal and
Speaker 1: practical safety reasons people identify as a John or a
Speaker 1: Jane Doe.
Speaker 2: I get that. I got my producers in my head.
Speaker 2: They all work.
Speaker 3: He ain't scared because I'm not making an.
Speaker 2: Accusation against a Jane or a John Doe.
Speaker 3: I'm simply saying the accused gets put on front street.
Speaker 2: Well, what happens.
Speaker 3: If a Jane or John Doe it's found to be
Speaker 3: less than honest and forthcoming.
Speaker 2: We get to know their names dead.
Speaker 3: If you rake somebody through the calls, you see, I'm
Speaker 3: ana semi public figure. My producers ain't theay behind the camera.
Speaker 3: If somebody gonna sue somebody is a member of this team,
Speaker 3: who you think.
Speaker 2: Gonna receive a lawsuit?
Speaker 3: And you get to sit up there and impugne my name,
Speaker 3: my integrity, but I don't get to know who you are.
Speaker 3: There's something wrong with that picture. I'm not talking about
Speaker 3: the Jane or the John Doe. I'm talking about the system,
Speaker 3: a system that potentially allows the accusers to live in darkness,
Speaker 3: drape the confidentiality, but the accused, without knowing their guilt
Speaker 3: or innocence, is put on front street. Of course, this
Speaker 3: case is where that's justified, and we always learned that,
Speaker 3: but there are some cases where it's not.
Speaker 2: Jay Z came out.
Speaker 1: From day one and said, I am innocent. There is
Speaker 1: no truth to these allegations whatsoever. The case was ultimately dropped,
Speaker 1: but that was after his name was raked through the coles,
Speaker 1: after his name was draped in mud. That was after
Speaker 1: his business lost about twenty million dollars in business.
Speaker 3: And now he has to sue the attorney for the accuser.
Speaker 1: To get some sense of retribution and justice. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1: I'm entitled to it. Not as much, however, as my
Speaker 1: next guest who's a sports anchor, he's an attorney, and
Speaker 1: he's a legal analyst ordinaire. Anything that I need to
Speaker 1: be set straight about in regard to these legal matters,
Speaker 1: I assure you he's more than qualified to do just that,
Speaker 1: and he won't hesitate to do so. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: a man that has been on this show on several occasions,
Speaker 1: very very popular with my audience. He is back to
Speaker 1: talk to me about this stuff right now. The one
Speaker 1: and only Ryan Smith, my colleague at ABC and ESPN
Speaker 1: legal analysts extraordinai, is here with us right now.
Speaker 2: What's going on, Ryan? How are you?
Speaker 4: What's going on? Man? I'm good? How you doing? Listen?
Speaker 1: Man, I just finished going off about this, and I
Speaker 1: want you to educate me about something before we even
Speaker 1: get into the particulars about Diddy, jay Z and what
Speaker 1: have you.
Speaker 2: I have a problem.
Speaker 1: I understand, I truly understand that there are certain cases
Speaker 1: where the Jane or the John doees are necessary. What
Speaker 1: I was sounding off about was so.
Speaker 3: Jay Z could be out there on Front Street with
Speaker 3: the accusation, the case can ultimately get dropped yet and
Speaker 3: still jay Z could talk about how his name was
Speaker 3: smeared having proclaimed his innocence the whole time, how he
Speaker 3: lost twenty million dollars in business, and we know all
Speaker 3: about him, but we don't know anything about those accusing him.
Speaker 1: I have a problem with that in our system, should I.
Speaker 4: Yes? And no? And I know that that'd be the
Speaker 4: answer you want to hear. But here's the situation. I
Speaker 4: get where you're coming from.
Speaker 5: You're saying anybody who has the wherewithal money, attention, fame,
Speaker 5: they are subject to people just coming and saying, hey,
Speaker 5: you did something to me, whether that's true or not,
Speaker 5: not saying anything about the accusations here. And I can
Speaker 5: come after you, and I can drag your name through
Speaker 5: the mud, and I can force a settlement. Yes, we
Speaker 5: should be concerned about that, but you got to think
Speaker 5: of it in terms of the way our system is built.
Speaker 5: I want to say first, so everybody knows, anyone in
Speaker 5: this country can file a lawsuit against anyone else, but
Speaker 5: our court systems are supposed to have a process in
Speaker 5: place to make sure that those lawsuits don't go too far.
Speaker 4: They're frivolous.
Speaker 5: I think what we're all concerned about when you talk
Speaker 5: about people filing these suits is Steve.
Speaker 4: And I want you to think of the power dynamic.
Speaker 5: Let's say there's someone out there who has been assaulted
Speaker 5: in some way, and let's say that person has been
Speaker 5: assaulted by someone rich, famous, and powerful.
Speaker 4: The ways in which they try to bring that suit.
Speaker 5: People might think, well, just file something, you can file
Speaker 5: a lawsuit, you can do whatever you want.
Speaker 4: But think about how their name might be drug to
Speaker 4: the mud.
Speaker 5: Think about it in the same way that the famous
Speaker 5: person might have lawyers and other people to guard them.
Speaker 5: Their popularity might not change the other person, their life
Speaker 5: changes fundamentally. And if that accuser, if what happened to
Speaker 5: them actually happened, they've been victimized in some way, they
Speaker 5: get victimized all over again, not just in one hearing,
Speaker 5: not just in one deposition, but over months, if not years,
Speaker 5: and they become the public face of people coming at
Speaker 5: them all because in this faccceinnariyo I'm building, something happened
Speaker 5: to them that was horrible and unimaginable. So we want
Speaker 5: to protect against those kinds of scenarios for people in
Speaker 5: that power dynamic. And I think it's hard for people
Speaker 5: to conceptualize how hard it can be for somebody who
Speaker 5: has been attacked or if something bad has happened to them,
Speaker 5: how hard it can be not only to go through
Speaker 5: the incident, but also to relive it in.
Speaker 4: The court process. So that's what we're trying to protect against.
Speaker 5: But on the other side, we want to also make
Speaker 5: sure we're not getting tribulous lawsuits for people who haven't
Speaker 5: suffered something.
Speaker 4: So it's a tough needle to thread. But that's the
Speaker 4: problem with trying to protect identities versus non and to.
Speaker 1: Me, the needle threading it being tough is completely understandable,
Speaker 1: particularly when it comes to children under aged individuals, they're
Speaker 1: totally worth it. But when I think about adults, there's
Speaker 1: a reason why we separate adults from children. You could
Speaker 1: commit a crime as a child, You're not going to
Speaker 1: be held to the same level of accountability in most
Speaker 1: instances as you would be if you were a full
Speaker 1: fledged adult. And so I'm thinking the Jane Doe, the
Speaker 1: John Doe walk totally justifiable, particularly piggybacking off your explanation
Speaker 1: of it all, it still should rub us all the
Speaker 1: wrong way that even adults get to disguise their name
Speaker 1: and conceal their name while accusations are made that could
Speaker 1: cause somebody, their livelihoods. I'm not even talking about millions.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about sometimes when it comes to jail. And
Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to say about that. Ryan, what's
Speaker 1: your response to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 5: If the accusations are not true, and we want to
Speaker 5: know that people would not do that. But Steven, and
Speaker 5: we live in a real world. People sometimes bring up
Speaker 5: things that aren't true. And also I just give you
Speaker 5: also this perspective. Sometimes I know people are going to say,
Speaker 5: I can't believe you're saying this, but look, sometimes people
Speaker 5: suffer trauma and they don't really process that trauma until
Speaker 5: later and until they feel comfortable. And then even if
Speaker 5: they've processed that trauma, they don't feel comfortable putting themselves
Speaker 5: out there in a court process situation until they feel
Speaker 5: the time is right. And then we want to protect
Speaker 5: those people because they've for that trauma. So I think
Speaker 5: that's why I say it's a tough needle to thread.
Speaker 5: It's such an amorphous thing like what someone has gone through,
Speaker 5: what they might remember, what they might have experienced.
Speaker 4: And I think that's why we have those Jane Does
Speaker 4: and John Doe situations. Just in terms of the theory
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 5: We want to make sure people are safe, feel safe
Speaker 5: in coming forward and bringing claims against other people, even
Speaker 5: though they might be afraid of what might happen to them.
Speaker 1: Give me your reaction to did these lawyers attempts to
Speaker 1: keep Tony Buzby, the Houston base attorney away from this trial?
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a really interesting one.
Speaker 5: Essentially, what they're saying is he didn't file the necessary
Speaker 5: paperwork and he's not approved to practice in the Southern
Speaker 5: District of New York where he's bringing a lot of
Speaker 5: different cases.
Speaker 4: Now, just as.
Speaker 5: A sort of overview on this thing, there's a concept
Speaker 5: called pro hac vich. What that means is you're from
Speaker 5: another district, you want to practice in this new district,
Speaker 5: and on this occasion, that's kind of the Latin words
Speaker 5: for pro hac vch, on this occasion, you're allowed to
Speaker 5: do it. So what did he lawyers were saying is, look,
Speaker 5: he didn't file the necessary paperwork, yet he filed all
Speaker 5: these cases.
Speaker 4: He's not admitted to practice it.
Speaker 5: He can't do this kind of thing in the courtroom
Speaker 5: because he didn't do the necessary.
Speaker 4: Things it took to actually participate in this case in
Speaker 4: this way.
Speaker 5: In the Southern District of New York. But Tony Busby
Speaker 5: is basically saying to this not true. I'm admitted in
Speaker 5: the state bar in New York. Just a sidelight here.
Speaker 5: You could be admitted in the State Bar of New
Speaker 5: York but still have to do paperwork to get into
Speaker 5: the Southern District.
Speaker 4: So those are two Those two things can be true there.
Speaker 5: But at the same time, what did these lawyers are
Speaker 5: really concerned about is the way Buzzby has been acting.
Speaker 5: In their mind, they believe that he does things like,
Speaker 5: for example, say things in the media that in some
Speaker 5: ways can prejudice their client, that can make their client
Speaker 5: look bad with his upcoming criminal trial coming up in
Speaker 5: his civil suits, and they make the argument of, hey,
Speaker 5: the guy has not filed what he needed to to
Speaker 5: be in this district. He has previously been admonished and
Speaker 5: ruled against in terms of being in this district because
Speaker 5: he didn't do it in another case, and now we
Speaker 5: can't let him come in and do it on these
Speaker 5: cases because look at how he's acting in our minds,
Speaker 5: look at how he's putting stuff out there in the media.
Speaker 5: He doesn't know the standard that we have here, and
Speaker 5: therefore he needs to be excluded. So I think it's
Speaker 5: gonna be a little bit of an interesting fight. And
Speaker 5: then on the Buzzby side, you have to wonder, if
Speaker 5: he's filing all these cases, why didn't he do the
Speaker 5: necessary things to be able to practice in the Southern
Speaker 5: District of New York.
Speaker 1: That's a good point, no question about it. Buzzby appeared
Speaker 1: on this show, by the way, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you knew that he can appeared on this show a
Speaker 1: few weeks after Combs was arrested last year, claiming to
Speaker 1: have dozens of victims of various allegations against Colmbs. He
Speaker 1: also accused jay Z at the time, and the suit
Speaker 1: or actually in a suit that was dismissed. Now jay
Speaker 1: Z's suing him, as you well know, what impact, if any,
Speaker 1: would that have on Diddy Cohne's federal trial.
Speaker 4: And yes, the mission you mean jay Z suing Buzzby.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, the big thing can be if in some
Speaker 5: way he's admonished, it makes him look bad in some
Speaker 5: ways in the public perception aspect. But the cases themselves,
Speaker 5: we got the criminal trial and likely the civil cases
Speaker 5: after that. That's the way we usually have it. And
Speaker 5: that's the way it looks like it's going to play
Speaker 5: out here. In terms of Buzzby and jay Z's interaction
Speaker 5: affecting Sean Cons's criminal trial, I don't think there will
Speaker 5: be a lot of effect there. From what I'm seeing
Speaker 5: in some of the complaints that have been filed by
Speaker 5: from what I'm seeing in some of the documents that
Speaker 5: have been filed by Colnes's lawyers, Buzzby's clients, these civil
Speaker 5: clients aren't going to have a whole lot of interaction
Speaker 5: with the criminal trial, at least at this point. Could change,
Speaker 5: But what happens to the lawyer doesn't necessarily affect what
Speaker 5: happens in another criminal trial. I think for Tony Buzby, the.
Speaker 4: Concern is if my name is being out.
Speaker 5: There, put out there in a way that makes me
Speaker 5: look ineffective, makes me look like I shouldn't be practicing
Speaker 5: in this particular jurisdiction, in a sense, makes me look
Speaker 5: like I'm not doing the right thing. And Buzzby's point
Speaker 5: in all this is, Hey, this is because I'm effective.
Speaker 4: These other sides.
Speaker 5: They're coming after me because I've got these people with
Speaker 5: real claims, and so they're throwing everything against the wall
Speaker 5: and seeing what can stick and mind he's saying, it's just.
Speaker 4: A paperwork era that can be rectified. I should be
Speaker 4: able to manage these cases.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, another alleged victim, because I can't forget this, a
Speaker 1: male escort file the suit this week against Ditty Comb's
Speaker 1: alleging sexual assault. What impact will these lawsuits or news
Speaker 1: of them had on didty'supcoming trial.
Speaker 5: All of this, stephen A, reminds me of what we saw,
Speaker 5: you and I when they first announced the charges against
Speaker 5: Shawn Combs, and what the prosecutor at that time said is,
Speaker 5: and I'm paraphrasing here, this isn't the end of this.
Speaker 4: We're still looking into all sorts of claims.
Speaker 5: We're still investigating all of this, and you think about
Speaker 5: how any of this came to be, the stuff involving Cassie,
Speaker 5: the initial video that we all saw. I think in
Speaker 5: cases like these, what you have is on the criminal side,
Speaker 5: they are always keeping an eye on what is going
Speaker 5: on outside of that. They want to see, Hey, is
Speaker 5: there anything there on the outside some of these civil cases,
Speaker 5: maybe they want to see does any of this.
Speaker 4: In any way interact with what we're trying to do? Criminally.
Speaker 5: Now, I'm not saying it will. We don't know that
Speaker 5: for sure. The case is coming up, but at the
Speaker 5: same time, you have to wonder what the case is
Speaker 5: continuing to arise. And we've seen this in other aspects
Speaker 5: separate from Sawn Combs's case. Sometimes when you have civil
Speaker 5: cases that continue to arise, prosecutors in a criminal case
Speaker 5: will say, let me take a look at that. Let
Speaker 5: me keep an eye on that to see if there's
Speaker 5: anything going on there that might affect what we're doing here.
Speaker 1: Last couple of questions before I'll let you go, Ryan Smith,
Speaker 1: really appreciate your time. How much more trouble is Diddyan
Speaker 1: right now in your estimation compared to when he was
Speaker 1: first arrested and indicted on these charges.
Speaker 4: You're talking about criminally or civilly criminally.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if this like we keep hearing different
Speaker 1: things come out about him week after week after week.
Speaker 1: So I'm wondering if in your eyes, things have gotten
Speaker 1: worse or things the same as they once were months ago.
Speaker 5: I think from the outside looking in, it appears like
Speaker 5: it's gotten worse. From the prosecutor's perspective, I think it's
Speaker 5: largely the same. And the reason why is when you
Speaker 5: talk about the Southern District of New York and the
Speaker 5: case they're bringing, this is a this is a district with.
Speaker 4: An extremely high win rate.
Speaker 5: I mean why when you see them in front of
Speaker 5: the microphones announcing the charges, announcing what they have, they
Speaker 5: have got the meat of their case together. This isn't like, hey,
Speaker 5: I'm going to come out there. We're filing this case.
Speaker 5: Hopefully it goes well.
Speaker 4: This is we got them.
Speaker 5: We feel confident in that we got them, and we're
Speaker 5: pursuing this case.
Speaker 4: Everything else after that.
Speaker 5: Becomes about compiling evidence, fine tuning your case, getting.
Speaker 4: Ready for the trial. So outside looking in, I think
Speaker 4: it's gotten It seems to have gotten worse for Diddy.
Speaker 5: The court of public opinion is against them, But in
Speaker 5: a trial, we're not supposed to really be thinking about
Speaker 5: that so much for the prosecutors, they're looking at this like, no,
Speaker 5: we knew a lot of this already, we have now
Speaker 5: fine tuned, or we're can continue to find to our
Speaker 5: case and anything else we're building on top of that
Speaker 5: is great. But when we filed the charges, when we
Speaker 5: put this out there, when we began this criminal case.
Speaker 4: Our case was strong enough. That's what I think they're
Speaker 4: probably thinking at this point.
Speaker 1: Very last question for you, jay Z. His issue was
Speaker 1: civil that's been dropped. Now he's going after Busby. So
Speaker 1: I don't think we need to be concerned about him
Speaker 1: being in any kind of trouble based off of how
Speaker 1: things have panned out in his situation.
Speaker 4: Did he We talk about.
Speaker 1: This all the time, but you know what we haven't said.
Speaker 1: We haven't heard enough of Ryan. How much time is
Speaker 1: did he potentially looking at in jail if found guilty
Speaker 1: of these charges?
Speaker 4: Life in prison? Life in prison? And this is serious.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of times when people think of
Speaker 5: criminal charges, if they think, well life, it means a
Speaker 5: lot less, could be a lot less. Absolutely, But I
Speaker 5: just want to say that when you have a case
Speaker 5: involving a high profile person Shawn Combs, it's not even
Speaker 5: so much about could it be less? And when you
Speaker 5: talk about federal cases, usually whatever those charges are, those
Speaker 5: that time will stick in many, many cases. I think
Speaker 5: what you've got here is a situation where prosecutors know
Speaker 5: this is high profile, they know they want to win,
Speaker 5: but they also are trying to send a message. They're
Speaker 5: trying to send a message, just like they did in
Speaker 5: the Weinstein case and other cases like it, that the
Speaker 5: powerful will not be able to take advantage of the
Speaker 5: people without power, especially in the entertainment industry. So when
Speaker 5: you look at a case like this, we just talk
Speaker 5: about what he could face. But this is about as
Speaker 5: serious as it gets or a criminal charge against any
Speaker 5: entertainer we have ever seen, because of the stakes for
Speaker 5: the prosecutor's office and because he's facing all this time
Speaker 5: life in prison.
Speaker 4: I mean that that is as serious as it gets.
Speaker 1: What about his lawyer, one of his lawyers being out
Speaker 1: of the case, accusing himself from the case, didn't give reasons.
Speaker 2: Why, Bud he backed out?
Speaker 4: What about that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is something So I read about this, and
Speaker 5: the first thing I thought is, there's always we talked
Speaker 5: about this earlier public perception versus what might have really happened.
Speaker 4: Public perception. And I'll just give you this perspective.
Speaker 5: If you're a client on a case and one of
Speaker 5: your lawyers backs out, you want to be concerned about
Speaker 5: what that looks like publicly, because the public sentiment can be, hey,
Speaker 5: did they drop out because they think there's something wrong
Speaker 5: in this case? That's the last thing you want people
Speaker 5: to see. There's a number of reasons. The first thing
Speaker 5: is we don't know why, and that's the most important thing,
Speaker 5: because there's a number of reasons.
Speaker 4: Lawyers can drop out of cases. One could be time constraints.
Speaker 5: Another, which I think we saw in different high profile
Speaker 5: cases over time, is when lawyers are involved in cases
Speaker 5: and they might have a disagreement of how they handle
Speaker 5: the case, or a disagreement of who does what, or
Speaker 5: a disagreement of how they interact. In this case, it
Speaker 5: might cause one lawyer to be like, Hey, I can't
Speaker 5: do my job effectively, so I'm going to move back.
Speaker 5: If you get too deep into the trial process, it's
Speaker 5: hard to withdraw. But I think we're early enough that
Speaker 5: this lawyer could pull back. And the key is we
Speaker 5: can't know exactly what that reasoning was. And I would
Speaker 5: caution the public to make a read into this and say, oh,
Speaker 5: it has to do with something about Diddy.
Speaker 4: The case might not be going his way.
Speaker 5: A lot of times this is not abnormal, at least
Speaker 5: at this point, and a lot of times it can
Speaker 5: come from stuff going on within the team that we
Speaker 5: just don't know about.
Speaker 1: My brother doesn't get any better than you, the one
Speaker 1: and only Ryan Smith right here breaking down the Diddy
Speaker 1: jay Z situation going on and has been going on
Speaker 1: over the last few weeks and months obviously, Ryan Smith,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time, my brother, I
Speaker 1: really really appreciate you.
Speaker 4: Ha have a wonderful weekend anytime. Steve and I take
Speaker 4: care man, you too,