WEBVTT - #425 Packers Unscripted: Winnipeg review 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:20.880 Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:25.280 I am Mike Spofford. He is my trusted colleague West Hodquits. 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:28.000 We're coming to you here from our studios at lambeau 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:31.320 Field West. We are back from Winnipeg, and I'm not 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.920 quite sure what to call what happened in Winnipeg, but 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:38.640 there were there was a a problem with the field 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:41.760 and a football scrimmage broke out or something like that, 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.960 because as we all know by now eighty yard field, 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:48.240 there was a problem in the end zones. Both teams 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:50.960 basically decided to rest all their starters. It was a 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:54.400 battle of the backups from the I was gonna say 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.880 opening kickoff, but there wasn't even an opening kickoff, so 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.760 I can't even say open. But anyway, bottom line, Packers 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.000 and Raiders played preseason Game three, but it actually looked 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.320 a lot like more like a preseason game one because 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:09.920 none of the starters were in the game. Yeah, it 0:01:09.959 --> 0:01:11.759 was funny too because I was talking to him Boil 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:13.600 about this after the game and he said, it's probably 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:17.200 the closest thing he's played to a backyard football game 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:20.000 since he was a kid. Because there were no goal 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.360 posts interns. Well there were goal post but you can 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:25.440 kick field goals, but there were no kickoffs, I should say, Uh, 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:27.840 you had the issue at the end zones, so you're 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:32.520 throwing between the ten and zero goal line, ten on 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:34.800 each end of the field. So all of that stuff 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:36.920 made it for kind of a wild deal. But as 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.160 you said, the most important thing is Mike. For a 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.080 lot of young guys on this roster, it was another opportunity. 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:43.800 It was another opportunity to go out there and show 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.800 that they belong and when final cuts get made next week, 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.400 that they deserve to be on the fifty three man rosters. 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.280 So while it had such unique circumstances surrounding the game, 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:56.880 the goals and objectives for the players that were suited 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.880 up were very real. Yeah, And we had talked heading 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:01.960 in to that game about a couple of guys who 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:06.080 were due to injuries, were making their preseason debuts in 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.480 Game three, and I thought both of them came out 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:11.280 of that game with exactly what they were looking for. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.839 And I'm talking about Trevor Davis and Josh Jackson, one 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.200 player on each side of the ball for the Packers. 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:21.040 Trevor Davis, I tell you we talked about him when 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.080 he got back into practice coming back from the stinger injury, 0:02:24.120 --> 0:02:26.600 how he kind of picked up where he left off. Well, 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.800 he took everything that he was doing in practice and 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:30.600 he did it in the game. He if you were 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.200 to pick one star of the game, aside from quarterback 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.720 Tim Boyle, who I think we'll get to, but Trevor 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:37.760 Davis was the guy who really shine on this night. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:42.160 Trevor Davis was the star of this game, regardless of 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.240 the other positions and whatnot, because of what he could 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:49.280 potentially mean to this offense and to this team should 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.120 he be on the fifty three a week from now. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:54.440 He is dynamic, he is versatile, and now he's contributing 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.600 as a receiver. I honestly believe, Mike, if you just 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:59.960 showed me the film of Trevor Davis running routes back 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.160 in two thousand sixteen as opposed to where he is 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.959 at today, I think there's a night and day difference. 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.680 And it's not just being able to be crisp and 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:10.960 be able to be accountable and exactly where you need 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.679 to be. The guy is catching everything. He has made 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.600 up for lost time, and I thought it was very interesting. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:18.919 He said this after the game. You know, he sort 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:22.000 of need to remind everybody of where he was before 0:03:22.040 --> 0:03:24.720 that stinger against Houston and in the path he had 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.240 been on, and he needed to be able to put 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:28.640 that production into a game. If you wouldn't have known 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:30.680 any better, you would have thought Trevor Davis would have 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.440 been out there the entire training camp, had not missed 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:36.040 two weeks, had been out there and being able to 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.360 get five catches for seven eight yards and a touchdown 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.880 eighteen yards off of reverse, a seventeen yard punt returned 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:43.640 the guys of the number one gunner right now and 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.960 punt coverage, Trevor Davis is in all the exact spots 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.800 he needs to be to put himself on this active roster. Yeah, 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:53.680 he's definitely stating his case that that there is a 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:56.960 place for him, both on offense and on special teams 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.440 on this roster. I want to say one more thing too, 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:03.080 because he's not here anymore, and and certainly things did 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.600 not go the way they wanted to, but Trevor Davis 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.880 had a massive advocate in ron Zoock last year, and 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.320 this is a guy that really believed in his talent, 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.280 not only just as a returner, but spoke very highly 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.960 of him as a football player. If this ultimately ends 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.440 up playing out the way Trevor Davis wants it to, 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:21.040 I think you need to keep ron Zuck in the 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:22.880 back of mind because that guy stumped pretty hard for 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.200 him to be on that roster. Yeah, and with with 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.720 all the injuries and everything that he dealt with last year. 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.120 When other teams in a lot of those types of 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.040 instances just move on from a young player, Packers have 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.360 stuck with Davis and it looks like it could pay 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:39.160 dividends for them. Josh Jackson missed the first few weeks 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.640 of training camp with a foot injury, was brought back 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.039 in very slowly in terms of working his way up 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:48.200 to eleven on eleven um, and as we had mentioned 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.320 last week, kind of a forgotten guy in this whole 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.800 cornerback mix. As Tony Brown has come on as the 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:57.720 rookie sixth round picked from Toledo, Kadar Holman showed some things. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:02.440 Even Chandon Sullivan an undraft a guy, but Josh Jackson, 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.039 he gets in and early in that game, a couple 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.760 of past breakups, a couple of nice play defensive plays downfield. 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.640 He's got his feetback under him. Again, he did exactly 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.560 what he needed to do in this game. I'm not 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:18.760 sure in this whole cornerback rotation how it's going to 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.960 shake out when the real games start, but Josh Jackson 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.520 at least had that opportunity to to say, Hey, everybody, 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.359 I'm still here. So it was interesting. I talked with 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.560 him in the locker room on Sunday and he mentioned, 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:30.840 you know, there was still some rust he had to 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:35.400 knock off. He was thrilled with his performance, but all 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:37.880 things considered, in the time he missed with the foot 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:40.760 injury and the fact that those were really his first 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.800 tried and true, repeated snaps he's taken with the defense 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:47.320 one play after another. Was actually in a game. Yeah, 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.840 in a sequence. I thought he played pretty dang well. 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:54.520 I thought so too. To have to pass deflections um 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.480 from what I remember off the top of my head, 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:59.560 not really any catches given up or allowed. I just 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.080 thought it was very consistent performance for him, something to 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.240 build on, and let's be honest, Mike. I wrote it 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.159 in the story that we posted on Packers dot Com 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.800 on Monday, the Packers this is a guy that played 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.000 sixteen games from last year started ten of them in 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.839 this secondary Josh Jackson was a very big part of 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.240 this scheme and had he not been injured at the 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:19.960 beating of the camp, would have been out there with 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.440 the defensive sub packages. So question not sure exactly where 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.320 things are at with Kevin King yet Josh Jackson is 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.440 going to be in the mix for snaps in those 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.919 nickel and dime based defenses and and seeing how that 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:36.159 all shuffles out with Jaire Alexander and Tony Brown. We've 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.640 said it time and time again, Mike, you need options 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:40.920 at that position, and Josh Jackson gives the Packers another 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.359 one of them. Yeah. Well, another guy we need to 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.280 talk about in terms of really stepping forward in this 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:48.839 game against Winnipeg. He's the guy who got the starting 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.719 nod at quarterback with Aaron Rodgers and the number one'es 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:56.800 on offense resting and it's Tim Boyle. And we will 0:06:56.839 --> 0:07:00.000 see how things play out this week with the preseason 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:03.920 finale against Kansas City. But this is the first time, 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.159 I guess you could say, West that we've really seen 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:11.520 what could be a a flip in the quarterback pecking 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:15.440 order here. Tim Boyle made his case with a really 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.960 really solid performance in Winnipeg to potentially be the number 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.960 two quarterback behind Aaron Rodgers. I have two thoughts on this. 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.840 The first one is boil was exceptional. Started slowly, almost 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:28.360 had a pick in the first or second series. Yeah, 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.680 the first the first quarter was not going well, and 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:34.760 then suddenly in the second quarter, three consecutive touchdown drives. 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.160 I don't you know, I don't care if the goal 0:07:36.200 --> 0:07:38.320 lines the ten yard line or the regular goal line. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.440 Three consecutive drives that end in touchdowns. That's that's doing something. 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:44.840 That's production. And I don't want to put words in 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.840 Tim Boyle's mouth, but just watching him and talking to 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.320 him a little bit after the game, to me, that 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.400 is probably the most confident he's looked in the Packers uniform. 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.720 Once he got that first touchdown producing series, it was 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:58.800 important for them to come back and get another one. 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.000 He had some nighte s down field passes. Uh. He 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.560 was not afraid to take chances. He stood in the pocket, 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.000 he stood tall, made the throws he had to make, 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.400 and he cut down in some of the erratic nature 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:11.480 that had been sort of plaguing him in the past 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.680 with some of those downfield throws. I just thought it 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.360 was an exceptional performance by him. The other thing I 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.160 want to point out to more so than any other 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.680 quarterback I can think of, maybe going back to Matt Flynn, 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.360 Matt Flynn's probably the best example of this. The path 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:27.600 the Packers have taken with Tim Boyle, and this is 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.760 a credit to Mike McCarthy who and his staff and 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:32.520 now with what Matt Lafleur has done, I think this 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:35.840 is one of the most even keeled, balanced development of 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.360 a quarterback that I can remember in Green Bay. Last year, 0:08:38.400 --> 0:08:40.880 Tim Boil didn't play a lot during the off season. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.880 He didn't see a lot of snaps during training camp, 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:46.880 and played, you know, a little bit near the end 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:48.559 of camp where you really got to see him play 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.400 an extended amount of snaps. They were really careful with him, 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:54.440 but you saw enough to warrant him being on the 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.600 fifty three all year. This offseason they tested him more 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.559 and as you said, they have him pushing for that 0:08:59.679 --> 0:09:02.360 number to spot. Right now, there's one game to go, 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.560 there's a lot that's still on the line between him 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.319 and Deshaun Kaiser. But I just thought Tim Boyle's performance. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.520 If you're Matt Lafleur, in this coaching staff and you're 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.760 looking for signs that this guy has taken that next step. 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.240 I thought you definitely saw them in Winnipeg. Yeah, I 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.640 think what stood out to me, and it's not just 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:21.120 the numbers, the hundred and thirteen quarterback rating, which is 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.040 very impressive and all that, but when Boyle got into 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.880 the second quarter, overcame that slow start, started moving the 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.400 ball on a consistent basis. You could see he got 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:32.959 into a rhythm and that's the confidence you were talking about. 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.120 He was dropping back, planning his back foot and letting 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.360 that thing go. And that type of rhythm has been 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:41.800 quite frankly and a lot of it has to do 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:43.960 with the players around you too. In preseason, you can 0:09:44.040 --> 0:09:46.440 end up playing with third string, fourth string guys and 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.880 all that. That's all part of it, but that kind 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:52.040 of rhythm has been so rare for a Packers backup 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.560 quarterback in the preseason. I honestly thought that it was 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:59.280 the best quarter of football I've seen by a Packers 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.240 backup corps her back in the preseason in at least 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.040 a handful of years. And we saw some nice flashes 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.920 from Brett Hunley. We've seen some flashes from Deshaun Kaiser, 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:12.240 But in terms of three consecutive drives where the quarterback 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.319 was really in a rhythm and seemed to be in 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.200 command of everything that was going on in the field, 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:19.400 that's what really stood out. Yeah, it was the most 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.719 impressive quarter I've seen from a backup quarterbacks since. As 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.599 I mentioned before, Graham Harrold keeping his job at the 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:28.120 end of two thousand twelve preseason when he had like 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:31.360 a sixteen of eighteen performance against Kansas City starters that 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.040 helped him stay on the roster in the time in 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.000 which he really needed that. I just thought Boyle was confident. 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.120 I talked to Justin McCrae about this afterwards in the 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:42.079 locker room, the way he handled the huddle, his composure, 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:46.000 giving a really unorthodox set of circumstances that he was 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.760 forced into with the field, with the fact that Aaron 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.760 Rodgers ended up not playing in that game when there 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.800 was some thought that he might, uh, he adjusted to that, 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:55.839 He made it work, made it work for him, and 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.000 now he's put himself in a position in the number 0:10:58.000 --> 0:10:59.840 two battle will work itself out. But I just think 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:03.160 a performance like that it keeps him in the conversation 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.640 to stay on the fifty three and continue telling the 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:07.960 Packers that, you know what, whether I'm two or three, 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:09.920 whatever you want to shake it out to be, didn't 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:13.520 mean to rhyme that I deserve that opportunity and your 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.360 you don't want to part with me just yet. Yeah. Well, 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.080 we've got some more things to talk about from the 0:11:18.080 --> 0:11:22.600 Winnipeg game West. But first, select Cousin Subs locations are 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.400 now offering delivery. Whether you're ordering catering or your favorite sub, 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.280 they're delivering right to you when you order online at 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:34.320 Cousin Subs dot com. Cousin Subs we believe in better. Okay, 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.560 the bad news out of Winnipeg West is that the 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:40.559 Packers came back to Green Bay with a bunch of injuries. Unfortunately, 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.120 and we don't really have time to talk about all 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.200 of them, but some of the key ones that jump 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:50.720 out um Equinimius st. Brown a nasty looking ankle injury 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.440 on a play where he took a hit where that 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:57.320 was actually penalized a helmet shot and uh but it 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.280 wasn't the head injury that we all thought at first, 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.000 ended up being that his ankle got messed up there. 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:08.120 Curtis Bolton the undrafted rookie out of Oklahoma who seemed 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.959 to be in line to be that second inside linebacker 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.920 in the base package alongside Blake Martinez. He goes down 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.160 with a knee injury. Alan was already young wide receiver 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:20.320 trying to make a bid for a roster spot. He's 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.840 now in the concussion protocol. And we saw a first 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:26.240 round draft pick, Rashawn Gary also leave the field, although 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:29.480 what looked kind of scary at first, he ended up 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:33.199 sitting up his his head kind of bent back awkwardly 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.079 when he was got getting in a tackle. But then 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:37.720 he was able to sit up. They didn't need to 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.200 stabilize his neck or do any of those kinds of things, 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.400 and he was able to to walk off the field. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.840 We don't have a whole lot of information on these 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:49.880 injuries just yet, but some of these, you know, and 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.800 this is just the reality of training camp in a preseason, 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.520 some of these injuries are going to impact the final 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:58.880 roster decisions a week from now. Yeah, in some regard, 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.559 and that's the unfortunate thing. And you're really you're happy 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:03.560 to see that Gary appears to be fine. He was 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:05.520 walked around in the locker room seeming He was in 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.760 good spirits on Sunday. Um, so you knock on Wood 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:10.200 that everything's going to be fine with him in the 0:13:10.200 --> 0:13:12.640 bright future that he has the NFL. The thing that's 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.880 tough for Bolton and Lazard and even e q C. 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:16.959 Brown to some extent is he all these guys were 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.440 fighting for roster spots, they were fighting for roles, and 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.280 now you have an injury latent camp that kind of 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.280 complicates that. Bolton is the one that your heart really 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.320 hurts for, though, because he was an undrafted rookie that 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.560 was getting snaps with the ones at the time of 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.840 the injury. It almost reminds me in a way of 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:34.480 two thousand fourteen or fifteen whenever that was that Joe 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.360 Thomas had kind of looked really impressive early in camp 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.439 and he ends up having the knee injury against Tennessee. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.400 So for Bolton's sake, you hope it's nothing major. He 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:45.080 was talking to the media on Sunday. He said, the 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.400 hope is that it's not a significant injury, but there 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.920 still really isn't a timeline. Yeah, there seems to be 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:52.839 still some uncertainty as to exactly what's going on and 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.400 what his prognosis is moving forward, so you have to 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:59.520 wait and see there in the interim time, Summers has 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.320 thrown back back into the limelight. A guy like Raven 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.400 Green is a hybrid linebacker safety type, is going to 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.520 be in there. Brady Shelton, the practice squad over holdover 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:10.800 from last year, gonna have a chance to shine. And 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:12.880 and even James Crawford, who was a pretty and trench 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.040 special teamer trying to show that he could be a 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:18.880 you know, uh an asset on defense. So this last game, 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.680 because I'd imagine, especially with Blake Martinez kind of working 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.560 through some stuff even though he was practicing Sunday, I 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.520 think this is gonna be the Thie Summer Show again 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.320 on Thursday against Kansas City and proving that the seventh 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:34.080 round pick out of almost by u t CC deserves 0:14:34.080 --> 0:14:37.520 a spot. Yeah. Well, and to Summer's credit, because we 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:39.480 had talked through the first two games about how he 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.720 had racked up a bunch of tackles, but he'd also 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:43.600 missed his share of tackles, and he was the first 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.840 one to say both of those games he should have 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.680 had more tackles than the stat sheet said. Well, he 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:50.880 cut down on the miss tackles. He was much more 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:54.400 sound fundamentally. He did lead the defense and tackles once 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:58.600 again um in Winnipeg. But even though maybe he didn't 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:02.440 have any of the blash plays or the flashy plays, 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:05.120 because of the fundamentals and cutting down on the miss tackles, 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:07.640 it was probably his best performance. Well. And here's the thing, Mike, 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.960 that you have to realize with the inside linebacker position 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:13.240 in two thousand nineteen, the splash plays are great. You 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:14.800 want to have them. It's how you end up making 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.160 a career for yourself as a first and second down linebacker. Though, 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.120 you just need the consistency side of it. You need 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.520 to be able to to either tackle your guy or 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:24.360 hold him up for the scrum, not lose them, not 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:28.120 let him get behind you. Um be gaps, sound, be fundamental, 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:31.320 use your technique. That's what the Packers want. That's actually, 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:33.440 to be honest with you. Jake Ryan took some some 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.360 hits at times from people, but he was consistent in 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:38.600 that way. You could count on him against the run. 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:43.040 Blake Martinez is the coverage you know, third down linebacker 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.360 right now. He's the guys on the field every play 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:47.560 or in Burke's has those tendencies, But right now you 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.840 just need something that's gonna stem the tide because in 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.040 those sub packages you have Raven Green, they're hoping that 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.640 they're gonna get Ibraheim Campbell back at some point. You 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.080 have the defensive backs that can help you out. So 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:59.760 for Summers, I thought it was an encouraging performance because 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.400 he just looked a lot more consistent. Yeah, and you 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.320 mentioned the next guy that I want to talk about, 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:09.080 and that's Raven Green, who we've been talking about him 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:10.840 since the beginning of O t A s how he 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:13.800 came back from the ankle injury, who kind of rebuilt 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.240 his upper body, essentially put on about ten pounds. UM 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:21.560 just looks physically larger, physically stronger. He's been playing safety 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:25.400 as well as that hybrid linebacker role in the dime 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.560 defense or whatever type of sub package that Mike Petton 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:32.240 calls there. And with the roster move the Packers made 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.960 releasing or waving I guess I should say, to be 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:38.240 technically accurate, waving Josh Jones, the former second round pick 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.760 from North Carolina State. UM, the door now is wide 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:45.480 open for Raven Green to take the job that he's 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:47.680 been working on and that he has stepped into and 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:51.760 filled so well throughout this offseason, throughout this training camp, 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.200 and start doing it in the real games. Raven Green 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:59.280 was a very accomplished safety at James Madison fourteen interceptions 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.120 school record. He did everything he could to put himself 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.720 on the NFL radar. But I just feel like this position, 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.880 this hybrid role that's in the box kind of slot 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:12.840 cornerback linebackers position for him is tailored to a skill 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:16.160 set perfectly. Now he's in a unique spot because he's 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:19.000 also the next man up behind Adrian Amos and with 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.600 Darnell Savage back there, but in the interim playing that 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.960 role in that that that package that we've seen become 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:29.639 so prevalent throughout this defense and defenses across the league. 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.080 This is a key time for him. And it's also 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.440 unique in that he's had a full off season because 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.480 of Josh Jones not being here during O T A man, 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:39.560 he was here many Cans, but during O T s 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.600 in the off season program, this gave him a chance 0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:45.120 to settle into that role a little bit and he's 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.360 going to be a key player for this Packers defense 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:49.680 this season. They need him to be that in addition 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.560 everything he offers on special teams as a personal protector 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.040 and in things of that nature. Yeah, and I wrote 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:58.040 a story about him after Sunday's practice. It was posted 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:01.480 Sunday evening on packers dot com if you want to 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:04.000 check it out. It was an interesting conversation as locker 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.840 me and a couple of other reporters. Two things really 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.440 stood out to me in terms of what he said. 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.280 One is that all of this stuff with kind of 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:16.600 playing hybrid linebackers, sometimes blitzing, playing against the run, he 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:18.639 didn't do any of that at James Madison. He was 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:21.119 the center fielder. That's how he got a school record 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.600 fourteen interceptions. But that's all he did in college. And 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:28.840 now this versatility and everything that is becoming his calling 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:32.000 card as a young NFL player, it's all new to him. 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.800 But he's loving it. He you know, he's really fitting 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:40.239 what the Packers are are asking him to do. Excuse me. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.240 And then the other the other thing is just the 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:48.280 coming back from that injury, that ankle injury. He last 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.920 year he was making a name for himself a little 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:53.560 bit on special teams. He had five coverage tackles, he 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:56.000 had a forced fumble, a big turnover in the San 0:18:56.040 --> 0:19:00.159 Francisco game, But then he started to get some more 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.840 snaps on defense. When some injuries hit, he was getting 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.760 snaps at safety. Things were looking a lot more promising. 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.040 Then suddenly, boom, he goes down with the ankle injury. 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.080 He ends up on injured reserve. I believe he missed 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:15.879 the last six games of that was not easy to 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:19.080 come back from. But what he said is that he 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.040 actually learned a lot from the experience in terms of 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:26.760 really what it takes to be a pro. And not 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.000 to say that, you know, he wanted to get hurt, 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.000 but he said, really he feels like because of the 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.240 injury and everything he had to do to come back 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.639 from it, he's a better player now then if he 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:39.800 had never gotten hurt in the first place. And I 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:44.480