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Speaker 1: It is eleven days to go, and I'm thrilled today

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Speaker 1: to be joined again by Tara Palmieri of Puck News,

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Speaker 1: who is one of the very best political reporters in America.

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Speaker 1: Has a real handle not just on what's going on

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Speaker 1: in the race, but the people in the country that

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Speaker 1: will decide the race, which is often an ingredient missing

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Speaker 1: in the mix with a lot of the political coverage.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Tyr.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Steve for that kind intro. It's such a

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Speaker 3: pleasure to be on the show. Really honored.

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Speaker 1: I was about thirty seconds late dialing in on our

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Speaker 1: set time because I got a call from a freaked out,

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Speaker 1: freaked out Democrat Wow, very well known in the party

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Speaker 1: and bereft, saying she's going to lose. The mood was despair, hopelessness, depression,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of anger, and bewilderment about what she

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Speaker 1: should be doing, could be doing, talking about the Nevada

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Speaker 1: early vote numbers are terrible, real rage towards Biden that

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Speaker 1: I think today you know that's just bubbling underneath there.

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Speaker 1: But my first question for you, like is that is

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Speaker 1: he an outlier? What's the mood as you're talking to people,

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Speaker 1: what team thinks they're winning, what team thinks they're losing,

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Speaker 1: who's happy?

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Speaker 2: Who said?

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Speaker 1: What's going on on the campaign trail with these campaigns?

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Speaker 3: All right, I'll cut to the chase. Democrats definitely are anxious,

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Speaker 3: they feel like they're losing. Republicans are feeling amazing. Perhaps

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Speaker 3: it's misguided, but they're really encouraged by these early voting figures.

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Speaker 3: Republicans are coming out in stronger numbers than ever before

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Speaker 3: for a variety of reasons. You know, Republicans traditionally know

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Speaker 3: always Democrats. I'm talking about the battleground states. But now

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Speaker 3: you know there's vote by mail. There's early voting in

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Speaker 3: these battleground states that some of them started back in

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Speaker 3: And you know, Trump called it rigged, he called it,

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Speaker 3: has shifted towards vote by mail, Vote by mail, vote

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Speaker 3: by mail, and this is something you've never seen before,

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Speaker 3: Republicans voting early, and in the case of North Carolina,

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Speaker 3: yesterday they out voted Democrats by three thousand votes. That's

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Speaker 3: a strength for Democrats, specifically in North Carolina, is getting

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Speaker 3: when Republicans tend to get more voters, they might not

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Speaker 3: We feel so good about Pennsylvania. You know, Democrats still

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Speaker 3: haven't reached five hundred thousand early vote requests yet that's

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Speaker 3: And so you know, Republicans, so they always beat their

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Speaker 3: it's an ex existential threat to democracy. Trumps of fascist.

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Speaker 3: I just had one of Harris's advisors on my show,

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Speaker 3: So like the psychology for Democrats right now, it's fear,

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Speaker 3: but the fact that they're feeling it themselves is saying something, Right,

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Speaker 3: He just has been. And maybe he's overreading the early

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Speaker 3: get Democrats out early. That's how we did it. We

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Speaker 3: But you know Democrats now have a quarter of their

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Speaker 3: And he thinks that the no tax on tips and

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Speaker 3: I'm hearing the same thing. But like Democrats by nature anxious,

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Speaker 3: a way to activate voters.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk to psychology of it, because I think it's

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Speaker 1: so interesting when you take this outside of green room

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Speaker 2: Of the real world.

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Speaker 1: And I want you to call me out if I

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Speaker 1: what's going to come out of my mouth. I am

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Speaker 1: as aggressively as he could that voting by mail was

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Speaker 3: Correct, Absolutely, it's correct.

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Speaker 1: Then one day Trump stopped saying it, yes and already

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Speaker 2: Do I understand that? Right?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? I mean, in Pennsylvania, write that now some of

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Speaker 3: now he's saying, if you don't vote early, they're going

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Speaker 3: to steal it from me. It's an extension of his

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Speaker 3: whatever the Republicans have done is incredible. Now, I know,

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Speaker 3: for Harris. So, like they're in North Carolina, early voting

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Speaker 3: But I think people are just like, why wouldn't we

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Speaker 3: but again, in Pennsylvania, early voting is down across the board.

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Speaker 3: But it was like three to one Democrats from Democrats

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Speaker 3: Now it's two to one. So you know, Republicans have

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Speaker 3: I also talked to Trump's polster John McLaughlin, who said,

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Speaker 2: They're going to follow the order.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to see somewhere north of one hundred

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Speaker 1: really ominous thing. I want to ask you. I want

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Speaker 2: Inducement to join is winning.

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Speaker 1: is there transference?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: Does Beyonce appear and influence someone in the country and say,

435
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: oh shit, like there's Beyonce right now, I'm with Kamala Harris, right?

436
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 1: Or is all of that a distraction as we come

437
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: down this stretch where she's got to take it, she's

438
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Speaker 1: got to seize it. And if that's the case, and

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Speaker 1: I think it is, like, do people understand in the

440
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Speaker 1: democratic side, is there is there a shared kind of

441
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Speaker 1: conviction about what she needs to say to close it out?

442
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Speaker 1: If you win and you talk to twenty people on

443
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Speaker 1: the campaign, would they all say the same thing about

444
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Speaker 1: this is what we're talking about for last ten days.

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Speaker 2: Of this No.

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Speaker 3: I think you like hit it on the head in

447
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: the sense that, like the one thing that she has

448
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Speaker 3: not done is actually give a vision for her presentency,

449
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 3: and she also hasn't been able to show how it

450
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: will be separate from Joe Biden's presidency. People want change.

451
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: They've made that clear when you get you know, thirty

452
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Speaker 3: seventy seventy percent out of the country wants you know,

453
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: it wants change. Once is unhappy with the way things

454
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Speaker 3: are right, then you need to offer that vision of change,

455
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Speaker 3: and she hasn't done that. I think that the prior

456
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Speaker 3: democratic campaigns before them, even if they worked or didn't work,

457
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 3: they still had like an action of movement, momentum of progression.

458
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: Like I'm with her, We're going to break the glass

459
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Speaker 3: ceiling together, Yes we can. We're going to nominate the

460
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Speaker 3: first black you know, President Joy not really sure. That's

461
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Speaker 3: kind of like a tepid feeling, but it's not like

462
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Speaker 3: moving forward. It's not it doesn't push you anywhere. It's

463
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Speaker 3: like just be happy with the way things are. No,

464
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Speaker 3: tell me how they're going to change how many people

465
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Speaker 3: aren't happy with the way things are. If you can

466
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Speaker 3: answer that, if you can answer that question or you

467
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Speaker 3: can answer that problem, then you win. You're the product

468
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: I'm going to buy. But like, if your product doesn't

469
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 3: fix my problem, then I'm not going to buy you.

470
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: You're just on the shelf. And like and Trump says,

471
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 3: I'll fix your problems. We'll go back to the way

472
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: things were when maybe you were actually did feel a

473
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Speaker 3: little better. Maybe you didn't like me, but I made

474
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Speaker 3: it a little bit better. When this other product is

475
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: just not offering me, it's it's saying a lot of

476
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Speaker 3: things that are you know, it cures a headache, it

477
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: cures this, it cares that. But like, no, what I've

478
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 3: got right now is a stomach ache, and you're not

479
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 3: saying that you can fix the stomach ache, you know

480
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Speaker 3: what I mean. So I just don't know exactly what

481
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Speaker 3: her I don't think she's offered the vision. What is

482
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Speaker 3: she going to do to fix the problem that Americans have?

483
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Speaker 3: And how is she moving forward? Like they're not happy

484
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Speaker 3: with the state they're in, And I just I just

485
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 3: don't even really like the messaging out of her campaign.

486
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 3: What do you think do you think that joy is enough?

487
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 3: And and now they've kindly like gotten to like fuck Joy,

488
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Speaker 3: that's over with and they're fine weeks because they've got

489
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Speaker 3: to go dark to motivate their voters, to kind of

490
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Speaker 3: scare them into the folds. And I would be nervous too.

491
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Speaker 3: I would be three and a half months is not

492
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Speaker 3: a long time, as you said, to run for presidents

493
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Speaker 3: to snap election, which is a positive or negative. But

494
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Speaker 3: like the more she's out there, her favorabilities are dropping.

495
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 3: Maybe it's the ads, the transgender ads. I mean, those

496
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 3: have been really powerful, but they because they know not

497
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 3: only like create the impression that she's a liberal, but

498
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 3: they also seem to suggest that to waste tax payer money, right,

499
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 3: And it hits that immigration, crime, the otherness, all of

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Speaker 3: that the worst, like xenophobia of Americans. But also the

501
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Speaker 3: view like that comment that she said, you know, what

502
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Speaker 3: would you do different than Biden? Not a thing that

503
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Speaker 3: comes to mind, like the fact that that was such

504
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: a powerful message, which you you know, alerted me to

505
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Speaker 3: saying like this is this destroys the premise of her

506
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Speaker 3: case that I'm changed. I think that's that's a really

507
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 3: powerful thing too, and they've never really been able to

508
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Speaker 3: recover from They've never found the right answer to that question.

509
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: I'm different, I'm a different generation. I'm this who cares

510
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 3: insult Biden. It doesn't matter. Do you guys want to

511
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: win this? Do you want to fight? Like, get your

512
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: fucking knuckles out. And I know it's not like proper protocol.

513
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 3: But if there's anything that Americans have shown it us

514
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Speaker 3: time after time, is they're really tired of politicians. Don't

515
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Speaker 3: be the politician out there. Sound a little different, be

516
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: a little edgy. But like every time she's out there,

517
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Speaker 3: even that CNN town hall, it's like, just get to

518
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Speaker 3: the point. And like even asked about grief. I mean,

519
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: that's a really tough question. You know, her mother just died,

520
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 3: but like you can, you can like talk about it

521
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Speaker 3: like a normal person does. You don't have to think

522
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Speaker 3: that hard about talking about grief. It's it's like it's

523
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: like she's going through her role decks of things that

524
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Speaker 3: they prepped her with the lines, and they probably didn't

525
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Speaker 3: prep her on grief, and they it's just maybe I

526
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Speaker 3: think I might be being too hard on her. And

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Speaker 3: I think everybody, even Democrats are feeling that way too,

528
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Speaker 3: because of like the anxiety, like she's the one who's

529
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Speaker 3: supposed to save us all from this, you know, from Trump, right,

530
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Speaker 3: and if she's the savior, then you have to be

531
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Speaker 3: perfect and I and again and back to plot. Like

532
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: Pluff is obviously brilliant and amazing, but like Pluff didn't

533
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 3: make Obama. Obama made Obama. He is a once in

534
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Speaker 3: a generation candidate. He is like Flick, He is smart,

535
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Speaker 3: he is every like only Obama could really pull off

536
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Speaker 3: that first black president thing. And she didn't have to

537
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Speaker 3: go through a primary. She was kind of known as

538
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Speaker 3: like she's an okay politician. Everyone thought she was amazing

539
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: because of the rollout. But the more she's out there

540
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Speaker 3: and the more she's being hit, she doesn't know how

541
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: to respond and so not to like dump on her

542
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: when I could go on for days about Trump and

543
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 3: all of his problems. But we know what Trump is

544
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: and you know what you're getting.

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Speaker 1: So so this is the conversation right now, right, this

546
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Speaker 1: is this is the conversation that I think democrats are have, right,

547
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Speaker 1: it is it is not a measuring the Drave's conversation.

548
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: It's not optimistic, right, so I'm imagining a scenario, right,

549
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of roll by.

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Speaker 3: The way all of my but way see, just to

551
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: preface this for the listeners, all of my comments have

552
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: nothing to do with how she will be as a president.

553
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about how she will sell the presidency

554
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: to Americans. She might be a fabulous leader president, et cetera,

555
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: but you don't get there until you sell yourself. And

556
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 3: I just don't think she sold herself yet.

557
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: No, no question about it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm and I'm and I'm just listening to you

559
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: and I and I just want to say to everybody,

560
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: because we're living at a time where there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of sensitivity about hearing any news that conflicts with your worldview,

562
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: that this, this is precise, This is this is accurate, right,

563
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: this is you know toward just Tonally is very much

564
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Speaker 1: on the line with where Democrats are. She's reporting that

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Speaker 1: in a in a way that I find very real,

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Speaker 1: very tangible, because I'm having conversations with actual people that

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Speaker 1: are that are very very close, know, on the line

568
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Speaker 1: to what we're to what.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about here.

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00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: So I want to kind of set the stage and

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00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: kind of role play this forward. Imagine that we're sitting

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Speaker 1: around the table. It's at the Capitol. You got a

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Speaker 1: bunch of staffers, you know, senate staffers, house staffers, white

574
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: house staffers. Everybody's nervous. You're sitting in there. There's fifty

575
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: people in the room. Right, everyone is bickering, whining. Somebody

576
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: washed in there, right and says, shut the fuck up, right, stop, stop.

577
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: It's an even race. She could lose. Who knows right?

578
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: What are we going to do?

579
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 1: Who is the person that Kamala Harris is going to

580
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: look to that Barack Obama's going to look to that

581
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Speaker 1: the core inside who has the most trust accumulated in

582
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Speaker 1: the This person knows what they're doing. We're going to

583
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Speaker 1: listen listening to them. Who is who's that person?

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Speaker 3: Or Buff? I mean you were right, it's bluff, Buff.

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00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: What didn't you say?

586
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Speaker 2: I mean I.

587
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Speaker 3: Gave maybe Axel Rod, I mean actual Rod still gets

588
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: a lot of difference. He's seen as someone who sort

589
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: of throws into the tent. But like you know, because

590
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: he has the media job, he's got two podcasts. But

591
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 3: like I think when it comes to what are we

592
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: going to do for our closing out argument? They look

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Speaker 3: at the last people who won the election, and all

594
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Speaker 3: due respect to the Biden team, it was you know,

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Speaker 3: it's it's Obama's team that people really really look up

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Speaker 3: to it. Don't you think?

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Speaker 2: Do they? I do? Do they do? They do? They

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Speaker 2: have that shuttled? Do they know what they're going to

599
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Speaker 2: close on?

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Speaker 3: The closing is the fascist the fascist stuff? It's dark,

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Speaker 3: you know, contrast, it's existential threat to democracy. Someone from

602
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Speaker 3: Blueprint Polls do you know them? They read Hoff group,

603
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: he's funding it. He sent me some of the polling

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Speaker 3: and messaging and they found that this h you know,

605
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 3: kind of threat to democracy language, the danger of the

606
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 3: chaos around Trump, that it pulls really well with independence

607
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 3: and the people on the margins, more so than the economy, immigration,

608
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 3: even reproductive rights. I don't know if that's true, but

609
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: he said by one point eight points that pulls better

610
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Speaker 3: than the rest of the topics when trying to reach independence.

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Speaker 3: So that's that's what you're going to hear. I mean,

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00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: it's the it's motivation by fear, activation by fear of Trump.

613
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's what they're leaning into. What have you

614
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Speaker 3: have you heard something different?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: I mean, but like do you think that's congruent with

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Speaker 1: like having Beyonce out there, just Beyonce drive that message

618
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: or arenacy a multi city celebrity fast in the Hillary

619
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Speaker 1: Clinton style?

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Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah, no, everyone is getting.

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Speaker 2: As in the final days.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if there's everyone's getting PTSD and flashbacks. It's a

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Speaker 3: lot of Hillary staffers to the fact that they did

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Speaker 3: this multi city tour, you know, not in the battleground

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Speaker 3: states with big celebrities. I mean some of these are

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Speaker 3: in the battle ground states. I think Bruce Springsteen was

627
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Speaker 3: in Georgia last week. But yeah, they might be bold.

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00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 3: They're they're doing their Grand Finale and it's uh, they're

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Speaker 3: Encore and it's it's just yeah, brusus Bruce. Maybe it works,

630
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 3: maybe it doesn't. Trump's doing the same thing. They're indulging

631
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: in their egos right now. He's going to as in

632
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: Square Garden, he was at Coachella. They're trying to prove

633
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: that they're a movement right, that they can go into

634
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Speaker 3: unfriendly territory and uh, Trump wants to be the Obama

635
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Speaker 3: of the right. Let's be serious, right, And I think

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Speaker 3: for her that maybe it's the media markets outside of

637
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 3: Houston that she's looking at But I don't know. I

638
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 3: would keep my head down and just grind it out.

639
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 3: But then again, like I'm not pluff, I'm not a

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Speaker 3: political I just I just report on what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: You would, don't, I mean, you've been on the other

642
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Speaker 3: end of it.

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Speaker 1: Is the campaign? Does the campaign have a plan to

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Speaker 1: deal with his Madison Square Guardan rally since they're closing

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00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,959
Speaker 1: out on fascism? Is that there they are they going

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Speaker 1: to meet them at that spot? Given that that's the

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Speaker 1: spot where the German American booned put twenty thousand Nazis

648
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Speaker 1: into the rally in nineteen thirty nine, any talk on

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Speaker 1: the campaigns about that at all, Like that's a big moment.

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Speaker 3: I know James Carvell has talked a lot about that.

651
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 3: It's I think you would know this better than me,

652
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Speaker 3: But I think that it might be a hard comparison

653
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Speaker 3: to make, just because it's a difficult. Like, you know,

654
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Speaker 3: some messages are just easier than others. Right, you can

655
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Speaker 3: get your surrogates out there on cable saying that, but like,

656
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Speaker 3: do you how do you put that in an ad

657
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Speaker 3: like Trump Nazis Madison Square Garden. You know, maybe you

658
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Speaker 3: can do that, but you only have a week left,

659
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 3: so do you want to use that as your final argument?

660
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: It might just be like is that a weird historical

661
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: reference that might be related or not, whereas like we

662
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 3: know that they are, or would you rather run the

663
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Speaker 3: tape of General Kelly calling him? You know, but maybe

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Speaker 3: you put it all on one and like and here

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Speaker 3: he is in the same place that you know the

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Speaker 3: Nazis can mean it's you're cutting new ads. You've got

667
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Speaker 3: a week. I'm guessing these ads have been tested, and

668
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Speaker 3: this is the final argument that they want. It does

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Speaker 3: seem kind of like, you know, you save your I

670
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Speaker 3: guess you save your best for a last right and

671
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 3: and this is this is this is what they're going with.

672
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Speaker 3: And it makes sense because if you're trying to win

673
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 3: over people like those those Republicans, soft Republicans, swing voters

674
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: like my mom. I mean, that was the thing that

675
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 3: she just kept saying over and over again, like she's

676
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: a double hater. I don't really like either of these people.

677
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 3: But January sixth, like what a nightmare. I don't want

678
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: that to happen again. Like just you know, we're just

679
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: right around the corner from another you know, inaugurate you know,

680
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 3: we're just around the corner from January sixth. This is

681
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 3: reminding people of the chaos that could come at anytime.

682
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: That's civil unrest. I think it's interesting too that Trump's

683
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: team isn't really using the assassination attempts in their ads either.

684
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 3: I think it might suggest to them from their pulling

685
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 3: that like, actually people don't like civil unrest in either direction,

686
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 3: Like the images of him being shot at create the

687
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: impression that by electing him there will be more chaos

688
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: as well. It supports Harris's argument.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me, let me go in another direction,

690
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: imagining a scenario where she's going to win, and let's

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Speaker 1: say I'm like it around eleven forty five pm. Pretty

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00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: confident trajectory wise. You know that she's got it. Most

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Speaker 1: people who've done this believe she's got it. The Cornaks

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Speaker 1: of the world, Harry Enton on CNN, all the all

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Speaker 1: the math prodigies we're going to have, And let me

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Speaker 1: just back up and just say that, you know again,

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Speaker 1: I have I placed the phone call for John McCain

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Speaker 1: to Barack Obama right in the process of the concession

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Speaker 1: phone call, and.

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Speaker 2: And on that.

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Speaker 1: So Trump, let's say, goes out and says, even though

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Speaker 1: he's losing or loss, that he's winning and is going

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00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: to win.

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Speaker 2: Will Fox call the race?

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Speaker 3: M poor Chris Starwalt. You know, he gave me my

706
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Speaker 3: first job the Washington Examiner. He plucked me out of

707
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 3: the green room at what happened to him was so

708
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: terrible they fired him for calling it in Arizona. I

709
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 3: think they have to. I think, deep down well based

710
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 3: on my reporting too, Murdoch is so fucking done with Trump.

711
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 3: He's really done with him. Like sure, he wanted to

712
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Speaker 3: bluns him by getting him to pick Doug Bergham to

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Speaker 3: put an adult in the room rather than JD. Vance.

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Speaker 3: But I think Fox would probably be more than happy

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Speaker 3: to like call it early. But I don't know. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I think it's like what I think. I think the

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Speaker 3: journalists are going to be nervous. Look what happened last time,

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Speaker 3: wouldn't you be I mean, if you were thinking like

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Speaker 3: you might get you might get fired for it.

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Speaker 1: What about Elon Musk in Twitter? Oh my gosh, if

721
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Speaker 1: you guys talked about that at puck? What does what?

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Speaker 1: What does anyone think that that's going to look like?

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Speaker 1: When I mean I think that whatever we associate Acts

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Speaker 1: or Twitter with regarding misinformation. Right, it like hasn't really

725
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Speaker 1: gotten going yet with regard to what's coming, but that's

726
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Speaker 1: going to be a big factor in the twenty four

727
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Speaker 1: or forty eight hours as a crisis builds.

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Speaker 3: No, that's a brilliant question and something probably an assignment

729
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: editor should be on for every single that every network

730
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Speaker 3: should be covering this right now, because, yeah, what are

731
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: his plans? Maybe he doesn't even know, but of course

732
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Speaker 3: he's going to be promoting any sort of data that

733
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Speaker 3: suggests that Trump is winning, even if it's you know,

734
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Speaker 3: you know, it changes throughout the night, and I've got

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Speaker 3: to assume that. And if we don't have the results,

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Speaker 3: how long is he going to be pushing information that

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Speaker 3: suggests that votes are being stolen? Here? I mean, he's

738
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Speaker 3: intimately involved in the process by way of supporting these

739
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 3: super packs that are get out the vote superpacks, right,

740
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Speaker 3: that are kind of like attached to the RNC, you know,

741
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Speaker 3: part of the election integrity unit. He's going to have

742
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: information and intel and he's going to want to sew

743
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: disinformation and distrust in the process. And we know that

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Speaker 3: at least forty seven to forty eight percent of people

745
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Speaker 3: are going to vote for Trump, so they're going to

746
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 3: be looking at this and wondering if they're vote counted

747
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: or mattered. And where they get their media, it's going

748
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Speaker 3: to likely highlight in their algorithm, you know, information that's

749
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 3: that shows that they shouldn't they shouldn't trust the results.

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Speaker 3: I was just thinking too about TikTok. You know, you've

751
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Speaker 3: got Jeff Yas who's got a lot of money on

752
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Speaker 3: the line with Jet TikTok. It's been banned, right, it's

753
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Speaker 3: coming before the Supreme Court Federal. I think, yeah, that

754
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Speaker 3: there's a case before the Supreme Court. Trump has said

755
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Speaker 3: he would support TikTok. Yas is a donor to Trump.

756
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Speaker 3: It's it's a Chinese health company. What are they going

757
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Speaker 3: to do? I mean, if there's anything about social media,

758
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Speaker 3: it's like counterculture and the fringes that tend to be

759
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 3: amplified on the social media outlet. So like h I

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00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 3: could see them really amplifying the noise and the disc

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Speaker 3: and the and the information that's not trusted. Now like

762
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: meta has learned its lesson, right, So like this interaction

763
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 3: that we're having right now probably won't be posted. If

764
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 3: you posted on on meta on an Instagram or Facebook,

765
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Speaker 3: it probably won't populate high. The algorithm depress it, you

766
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 3: know there, but if if we but the political content

767
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: does really well on TikTok, it does really well on Twitter,

768
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Speaker 3: and and I think there's a reason for it. And

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Speaker 3: I could I could see I could see Musk just

770
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Speaker 3: letting the conspiracy theories go wild, like Twitter could become

771
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Speaker 3: like the back page of the Reddit, which I think

772
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Speaker 3: is a completely unregulated right, which could lead to god

773
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Speaker 3: knows what. I don't want to I don't want to

774
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Speaker 3: be apocalyptic. But in a lot of ways, a close

775
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: race is a terrifying thing because like, without having a

776
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Speaker 3: clear answer, it just like we distrust, it creates conspiracy.

777
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Speaker 3: I mean you people that I've spoken to inside of

778
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Speaker 3: the RNC who are like adjacent to the Election Integrity

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Speaker 3: Unit say there are sane people there like Watley who

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Speaker 3: are prepared, who is a R and C coach Air

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Speaker 3: who are prepared for some of the other lawyers that

782
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Speaker 3: are part of this team, like Christina bob who was

783
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Speaker 3: indicted in the attempt to steal the race in Arizona,

784
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Speaker 3: Kurt Olsen, another election denier, who are prepared to say

785
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: that machines are changing votes. Right, It's like they're they're

786
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 3: willing to redo the playbook all over again. And it's

787
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Speaker 3: and what are they supposed to do? And they've already

788
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: shot off emails to America. They've been sending letters to Americopa

789
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Speaker 3: County judges who are like, back off, back off. It's crazy.

790
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Speaker 3: They're laying the groundwork. It's going to be law there.

791
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Speaker 3: Let me, there has to be a decisive winner. I

792
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Speaker 3: think for that not to happen, if I.

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Speaker 1: Was, if I was on the if I was on

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Speaker 1: the campaign sometime this week preserving this has not been

795
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: done yet, you can tell me that this has been done,

796
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: and it will make me feel better because it would

797
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: be late to be having the first conversation about it.

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00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: But I would I would say something like, we have

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Speaker 1: to have a meeting this week.

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Speaker 2: And I don't like to have the meetings, right, so

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Speaker 2: I don't I don't have to mean if I say

802
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: we got to have a meeting, we got to have

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Speaker 2: a meeting.

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Speaker 1: And what I would want to say in the meeting is,

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Speaker 1: let's imagine where winning. We're winning in any normal election year, right,

806
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: we would wait for the phone call. Now, we would

807
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: give some space. There might even be some contact between

808
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: the campaigns. David would be cautious in this moment, responsible, restrained,

809
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,959
Speaker 1: and respectful, as would Stephanie Cutter. Right, they're gonna be like, wait,

810
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: not yet, not yet. So Trump goes out, makes us

811
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Speaker 1: first allegation they're stealing the election. I won, YadA, YadA, YadA,

812
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Speaker 1: whips everybody up. The Harris Walls campaign is going to do.

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Speaker 1: What do you think they've had this meeting yet? Is

814
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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris going to walk out? Is the general counsel

815
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Speaker 1: or the campaign going to walk out the moment that

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Speaker 1: that happens, Right, there's a game, a deadly one. I

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Speaker 1: suspect a foot Do they have this planned.

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Speaker 3: App That's a good question. I don't know that. But

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Speaker 3: we know just from Pennsylvania and the way that the

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Speaker 3: voting works there, you're probably not going to get a

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Speaker 3: decisive vote for four and a half days. Right, they

822
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Speaker 3: don't count all their votes, and Pennsylvania has come down

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Speaker 3: to a point. So unless the sweep and all the

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Speaker 3: rest of the states and we end up back where

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Speaker 3: we were in the last two elections, is probably going

826
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Speaker 3: to come down to come Sulania, Right, And so Trump

827
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: will come out and say he won. I fully expect

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Speaker 3: that even before the votes are counted, unless for some

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Speaker 3: reason it's I don't know, even if it was blatantly

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Speaker 3: obvious that he lost, I think he'd still say he won.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they do have, you know, Walls and Harris come

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Speaker 3: out and say, like, right now, we haven't been able

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Speaker 3: to count all the votes. If it's if it's close,

834
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Speaker 3: if it really looks like she's down, I think she

835
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Speaker 3: can sees right, I mean, how could she not do

836
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Speaker 3: the responsible thing? But if it's that close, she's like,

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Speaker 3: I want you know, everyone to you know, wait, be

838
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Speaker 3: you know, let's have some patience to get through the votes.

839
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Speaker 3: We're very optimistic, but you know, there are a number

840
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Speaker 3: of apps and tee ballots and we still need to

841
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Speaker 3: count the votes in these crucial states. So please, like,

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Speaker 3: have some caution and just and and I think they

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Speaker 3: I would hope that they showed some responsibility in terms

844
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Speaker 3: of how they handle this. I think they would, especially

845
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Speaker 3: if they're trying to show contrast with Trump. But they

846
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: should have a plan for this. I don't know. It's Steve.

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Speaker 3: I wish I had the answer, but I don't know

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Speaker 3: what the plan is. And did you know what you

849
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Speaker 3: were going to do ahead of time?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely you did.

851
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Speaker 3: Have you heard what they're going to do?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there won't be a concession phone call, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So it's going to be a misinformation race where the

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Speaker 1: chances of all the violence, all the terrible things go

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Speaker 1: up if it's not contained. Right, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: like a fire, like a big, giant California style inferno.

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Speaker 3: Fire which is essentially lit up by it. And we'll

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Speaker 3: start with a small truth social tweet in the back

860
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 3: of the woods, amplified by all the networks, all of

861
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 3: his surrogates, Elon Musk amplify even go to truth social media.

862
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: He goes on Twitter, maybe he live streams it in

863
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: an interview with Elon Musk, and then the algorithms that

864
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 3: go crazy.

865
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 2: I mean, like I would like to aboost.

866
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean, if I was running the campaign, I would

867
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: go see the White House Chief of Staff and I'd say,

868
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: why doesn't the President fire Americ Garland this week and

869
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: say that he doesn't have confidence in him to oversee

870
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: the crisis that will occur in the country if a

871
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: fascist movement tries to claim victory after losing an election,

872
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: and I think Democrat base voters would like it. I

873
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: don't think Independence would be offended. Republicans would be enraged,

874
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: which would help make the race more about them than Harris,

875
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 1: which is kind of the alchemy that you need, you need.

876
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 2: At the end on all of those things.

877
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: But no, I do like I would, I would be

878
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: sitting around right now. I mean, there's you know, obviously

879
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 1: there's this, there's this, you know, part of the rhythm

880
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: of a campaign when there's two hundred and fifty days left, right,

881
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot more work to do when there's eleven

882
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: days left, right, because so much of this is in.

883
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: Planning, right you You have now.

884
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: Until next Thursday at about four o'clock Eastern time to

885
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: make your last traffic changes, to get kind of get

886
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: your last ads out, to get the points behind them

887
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: for the final weekend. So there's not a lot more

888
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: to do on the campaign per se, because the conventions

889
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 1: are behind you, the debates are behind you, everything behind you.

890
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 3: You have. It's interesting you said that, so really you're

891
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 3: what you're saying is whatever her vision is, whoever she is,

892
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 3: whether you want to have a beer with her or not.

893
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: It's too late to make that argument to voters at

894
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 3: this point. And so really what they are doing is

895
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 3: the right thing by is by highlighting the publicans, by

896
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 3: highlighting the you know, the unpredictability of Trump, the fascism,

897
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: the danger, the chaos. So they are doing the right thing,

898
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 3: and you're remember this race.

899
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 1: I think whomever this race is about is going to lose.

900
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: And so in the end, right, it's not going to

901
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: be determined by the TV advertising.

902
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 2: Though his is.

903
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: A lot better than hers, right in terms of the

904
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: power of the message, and it's and it's residence, but

905
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: all of it together.

906
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: Right, is so much better than hers. I don't understand

907
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 3: that there's so much footage of him.

908
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 2: I don't.

909
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: We've had a nine year conversation, right where what is

910
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: Trump is still unsettled? Right, it's the fascist madam vice president.

911
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: We're thirteen days from the election. I can go on

912
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: for hours about this.

913
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: Right.

914
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: The answer to the question, and historically tangibly ideologically is yes,

915
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: he is. But he has been and it's not hyperbole.

916
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: But should they Democrats be talking about the economy? Does

917
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,760
Speaker 1: the country see Joe Biden is fdr? Is Bidenomics something

918
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: that the middle class was excited by right.

919
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: So all of this goes back to kind.

920
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: Of what we were talking about earlier, which is we

921
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: live in this era where there is a belligerence on

922
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 1: the part of the campaigns towards the voters that really

923
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: wasn't present I think in either party when I was

924
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: doing this right in my kind of stretch, because there

925
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: is a recognition that no reason antagonize the voter. Right,

926
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: They're trying to tell us something here, and just a

927
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: lot of that doesn't seem to matter in the moment.

928
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: In the end, here, she needs to prosecute the case.

929
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: She has to give a closing argument. If he's a danger,

930
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: then you have to communicate that he's a danger.

931
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 2: Right.

932
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: If he is a threat, right, then it's a different

933
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 1: close than the Obama clothes ina against John McCain. So right,

934
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: what she says matters, But she's got to keep the

935
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: race on him. Right, that the great question at hand

936
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: isn't about Kamala Harris. Great question at hand is about

937
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: the country and Donald Trump, right, And that wherever that

938
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: ribbon is on that tug of war rope, it's got

939
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: to be on her side of that line in order

940
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: to be able.

941
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 3: To so She's basically like, I'm a product. You might

942
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 3: not like me, but that product is actually toxic and

943
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 3: it is poison. And I'm warning you that you're about

944
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 3: to buy poison. And you can buy me on water,

945
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: but that's poisoned next to you.

946
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 2: You have to talk.

947
00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 3: But you're like, but that's mountain dew. And I like

948
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: mountain dew. I like in the end, in the end,

949
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 3: like a mountain dew in the end.

950
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: Like Ms.

951
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: Churchill said two things right, he said, people get the

952
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: government they deserve and he was like, in the end,

953
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: Americans always do the right thing after exhausting all the

954
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: other possibilities. So like, we're definitely in that moment, right,

955
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna see from my perspective if he's right.

956
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 2: You know, I like, intellectually I don't have a.

957
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: Great feeling, but faith wise in the country that I'm

958
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: still not across the line where I see Donald Trump

959
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: getting re elected as a as a as a matter

960
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: of faith in who I think we are as a people.

961
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of us.

962
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 1: Right, there's three hundred and forty million, one hundred and

963
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: sixty two million people are voting. You know, Joe, When

964
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: someone like Joy Behart goes out and says, I no

965
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: disrespect to her, but she's like, I can't even imagine

966
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 1: why someone should vote for Trump.

967
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: That's a big problem.

968
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people around the Democratic

969
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 1: campaigns that have no capacity, emotionally or intellectually to understand

970
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 1: what it is about Trump that people find appealing. Right,

971
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: why that insult in the basement? Finally, Right is part

972
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: of a community.

973
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 3: Well, he feels strength. He's a guy that has always

974
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 3: felt like he was a weak person in society, and

975
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 3: he derived strength from Trump. I think a lot of

976
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 3: men feel oppressed, which is, you know, despite white privilege

977
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 3: or whatever, they feel oppressed and they derive strength from

978
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. I love Trump supporters. You know, they're in

979
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 3: my family. I love them, and I can't the things

980
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 3: they say. They may not make any sense, but I

981
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 3: understand where they're coming from emotionally and psychologically. So a

982
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 3: feeling of being left out. You know, my father is

983
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 3: an electrician, is what He's a small business owner. Where

984
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 3: is his place in the global world replaced by immigrants

985
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 3: that are coming through? You know, one day automation will

986
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 3: do what he does.

987
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 2: Does he like it? When he gets the lecture about

988
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: his white privilege.

989
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: Oh, well, he's not a white person to him because

990
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 3: he's Italian and Italians weren't allowed to live in certain

991
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 3: places when he grew up. So you know, that's another thing.

992
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 3: People don't want to be called white sometimes when they

993
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 3: know that they weren't really considered they were never allowed

994
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 3: to be a part of the wasp class either. Right,

995
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 3: So there's like a whole there's a whole weird psychology

996
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 3: around it. And like I would be it would be

997
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 3: an amazing thing to see if young women end up

998
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 3: carrying the day on election day, they just come out

999
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: and drove and say like just like fuck you, we're

1000
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 3: voting for for for cos it's such a that's the

1001
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 3: antidote to it, right, like.

1002
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: It is it is, that is the serum to it. Right,

1003
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: It's just a surge of women to say no, you

1004
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: say no.

1005
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, because everybody has like everyone is a victim in

1006
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: their mind right, and so like if you can activate that,

1007
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 3: how you can like how whatever you represent gives that

1008
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 3: victim's strength, then like I think you're going to win

1009
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 3: them over in some way. And I do think that

1010
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris is a powerful symbol for women, Like I

1011
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 3: even remember in the last election, like I'm trying to

1012
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 3: make a point of not voting. When I'm covering an election,

1013
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 3: sometimes I don't really cover it. Like last election, I

1014
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 3: didn't really cover it, so I was like, I can vote.

1015
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 3: I was doing Epstein work. But you know, like I

1016
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 3: felt like a real pride when I saw her get

1017
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 3: to the point of vice president and just like not

1018
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 3: I was like, whoa, this is a big moment. Like

1019
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 3: I felt like a woman is in the White House,

1020
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 3: like that was a big deal. It represents a lot

1021
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 3: for women, And I do think a lot of women

1022
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 3: feel victimized right now by the idea that they don't

1023
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 3: have control over their autonomy of their body and they

1024
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 3: and and and her, and that message is really strong.

1025
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 3: But there is a whole other segment of women who

1026
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 3: are past that phase of their life. Maybe they're they've

1027
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 3: already had children. It's on top of lists for them,

1028
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 3: they're worried about. You know, someone like my mother, for example,

1029
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 3: who's like, you know what, I'm past that stage in

1030
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 3: my life. I mean, I'm sixty, I about to do this,

1031
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 3: this and that. It's like much as I care about that,

1032
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 3: I've got another I've got other issues, so but I

1033
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: also think she's ultimately going to vote for Kamala Harris.

1034
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 3: I don't know. I want to understand the psychology of voters,

1035
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: but I don't think they can even really rank their

1036
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 3: positions as what's most important to them in their heads.

1037
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 3: I think it's just a feeling you have and who

1038
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 3: you like and who you relate to, and who you

1039
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 3: think is going to give you more power in the world.

1040
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 3: And it's it's hard to say like and if you

1041
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 3: don't feel like you're going to derive any power from

1042
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 3: that person, maybe you won't go and vote for them.

1043
00:58:59,080 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1044
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: Well, it's a great place to leave it. I'll just

1045
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: conclude it by saying that this is the sixtieth quadrennial

1046
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: presidential election. We've done this as a country sixty times.

1047
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: Women have gotten to participate in the last twenty three

1048
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: of them, and black people if you lived in an

1049
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 1: apartheid state in the South the last thirteen. There's three

1050
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: hundred and forty million people that live in the country.

1051
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: There is only seven hundred million of us that have

1052
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: ever been in all of history, in all of human existence,

1053
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: which means half of us who have ever lived, roughly

1054
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: or alive.

1055
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 2: Right now in about.

1056
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: One hundred and sixty two million people, roughly about half

1057
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: of that are to come out and vote in this election.

1058
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: And what you said, I think is a perfect way

1059
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: to end it, because nobody really knows in what mix

1060
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: voters will turn out. That there's a small geography that

1061
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: produces the overwhelming amount of people that go on television

1062
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: and opine about who's gonna do what and where, thousands

1063
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: of miles from them. But the fact is we just

1064
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: don't know. And so in this final week, as you

1065
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 1: come down, I think a couple of things you said

1066
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: are just really true. That there's a real sense in

1067
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: the electorate that her vision is not yet clear. There's

1068
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: a lot of anxiety and worry among Democrats. There's a

1069
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: real recognition that there is a surge towards Trump of

1070
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: mail vote that will cut into black and Hispanic numbers

1071
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: that is material. And there is an un known question

1072
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: around how America's women will respond to years of antagonism

1073
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: and the loss of a right for the first time

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Speaker 1: in history granted by the court now stripped away directly

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Speaker 1: because of Donald Trump, who's made clear this is his achievement.

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Speaker 1: So I have in all of my you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: fifty four now, right, so you know, going back to

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two when I was twenty two and coming

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Speaker 1: out of college, this is the one that is the

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Speaker 1: closest and hardest to really tell where it is is

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Speaker 1: close to the end.

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Speaker 3: If you had to make a prediction today, though, who

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Speaker 3: do you think wins?

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Speaker 2: I say this, I'm not trying to dodge it.

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Speaker 1: Like my intuition, my instinct, my feeling is not good, right,

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Speaker 1: it's he wins. My faith, which is as I kind

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Speaker 1: of get older and which is tough for me, kind

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Speaker 1: of an acceptance of letting go, a serenity almost. I

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Speaker 1: have a deep, deep, deep faith in the country, not

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Speaker 1: as a Djingo, not as a nationalist, but in the country,

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Speaker 1: the idea of it, the people in it. And I

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Speaker 1: don't believe the American people are going to elect this

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Speaker 1: guy president again. So if you make me pick, she wins.

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Speaker 1: But I'm literally taking a leap of faith, and I'm

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Speaker 1: taking it with a strong voice in my head telling

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Speaker 1: me the parachutes not going to open when.

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Speaker 2: I jump out of the door of the of the plane.

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Speaker 2: So so there you have it.

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Speaker 3: I I don't know Steve, like, I actually think he's

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Speaker 3: gonna win, and my sense is like, only he could

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Speaker 3: fuck it up because so many of the fundamentals of

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Speaker 3: the rates are on his side. But I also just

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Speaker 3: and maybe it's because people are unafraid to say that

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Speaker 3: they're going to support Trump now, like maybe the stigma

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Speaker 3: around Trump is gone. But I just feel that there's

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Speaker 3: a more intensity for him. I think there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of intensity for her when she first came out, But

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Speaker 3: you're seeing her favorability favorables starting to drop, and I

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Speaker 3: don't know what to make of that. I mean, why

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Speaker 3: do you think her favorables are dropping now? The more

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Speaker 3: she's out there and the more people geting to know her,

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Speaker 3: her numbers go down.

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Speaker 1: When you're aiming at a target, they teach you how

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01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: to shoot a rifle, right, there's this saying, you know,

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Speaker 1: aim small, miss.

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Speaker 2: Small, right, So.

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Speaker 1: You have to be able to evaluate what elevation you

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Speaker 1: need to climb to to clear the mountain where you're

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Speaker 1: going to fly into it. I don't know a better

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Speaker 1: way to explain it. If you were talking to somebody

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Speaker 1: associated with the space program, they would tell you that

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01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: the rocket has to hit seventeen thousand miles an hour

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Speaker 1: for it to break Earth's orbit and get into space.

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Speaker 1: If it doesn't, it'll bounce off and it'll burn up

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Speaker 1: and everyone will die. When you saw the polling right

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Speaker 1: develop in August, it's September where the elector is saying

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Speaker 1: we want more. That was a signal that they wanted more.

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Speaker 1: And so like, if she does not win, I've been

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Speaker 1: able to for some time, I feel like be able

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Speaker 1: to articulate why not. Right, I'll be able to diagnose it,

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Speaker 1: so I know why it wouldn't be the things that

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Speaker 1: she didn't do that she had to do to win.

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Speaker 1: And the question is did she do enough, Because she

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Speaker 1: did a lot to get over the line. It is

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Speaker 1: to be really close. Look, I think that there has

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Speaker 1: not been in our articulation right of a vision about

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Speaker 1: where she wants to lead and tough as it may be,

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Speaker 1: tough as it may be personally. As you're sitting around

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Speaker 1: the table in the campaign, surely to god, somebody sat

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Speaker 1: there it had a serious discussion that we're not going

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Speaker 1: to lose this race to Donald Trump because we're afraid

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Speaker 1: of offending Joe Biden's ego about answering the question on

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Speaker 1: what we would do differently, because we need to not

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01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: only say something that we would do differently, probably don't

1145
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: need to communicate that we would do a bunch of things.

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Speaker 3: Differently and call out maybe some things you could have done.

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Speaker 3: What's wrong with saying I didn't that's right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So that weakness, Well, the concept of accepting accountability, it's

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Speaker 1: my fault in meaning it. You know, Afghanistan, for example,

1151
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: is reported right as the catastrophic withdrawal in every news

1152
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: organization in the country, right from Fox News to the New.

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Speaker 2: York Times at a Wall Street Journal. As an objective descriptor.

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Speaker 3: You don't even need those papers, just look at the images.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, so you obviously say, right in Republicans, right,

1156
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Speaker 1: this was this was an important question, right, And anytime

1157
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Speaker 1: when you look at one of these questions, right, that's uh,

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Speaker 1: that's in the end. Right is a disqualifying right, You

1159
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: could lose the election issue. There's always the oppositional, right,

1160
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 1: there's always the opposite version of it any other party.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So you know, during during the height of the Iraq War, right,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, Barack Obama comes on the scene

1164
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Speaker 1: as an Iraq War opponent, but for years afterward, right,

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Speaker 1: the question would be asked in this plate role in

1166
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: helping make Trump the nominee was knowing what we know now,

1167
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Speaker 1: would we have invaded Iraq again?

1168
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Speaker 2: Is the world safer?

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Speaker 1: And so all the crazy things that Trump said in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, none of them were crazier than Jeb Bush saying, yet,

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Speaker 1: we would have invaded Iraq again? Right, So you had

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Speaker 1: an entire party to a position that the entire country

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Speaker 1: knew was wrong. And it wasn't like they wanted to

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Speaker 1: hear them renounce the Iraq War. They wanted to hear

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Speaker 1: that candidate common sensically agree with the proposition that they

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Speaker 1: knew to be true, which was, of course not. We

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Speaker 1: wouldn't fucking do that again. It was a disaster, Right,

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Speaker 1: That was the question. And so when Jeb Bush says

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Speaker 1: it politician now, Trump goes, of course not. So the

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Speaker 1: version of that question for Democrats, right, that you could

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Speaker 1: see coming from a mile away, was Okay, what are

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Speaker 1: you gonna do differently than Biden?

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Speaker 3: The other hard one is how long did you know

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Speaker 3: that Biden couldn't run or really be president? And that's

1185
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 3: just like plain of day to any human being. You

1186
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 3: really have to be a partisan to be able to

1187
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Speaker 3: look past that. Yeah, and that's that's that's really what

1188
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,559
Speaker 3: it comes down to. Or you have to like really

1189
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Speaker 3: hate Trump. That's a hard one and.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a bigger issue with real people in

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Speaker 1: the country than is covered, you know, and for sure.

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Speaker 3: Because it looks like a scandal. It frankly looks like

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Speaker 3: a scandal.

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Speaker 2: People.

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Speaker 1: Well what it does, right if you say that Biden

1196
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Speaker 1: was fine and the border is secure in the end,

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Speaker 1: you help make Trump the most prolific liar in American

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Speaker 1: history and to the honest candidate in the race. So

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Speaker 1: when you're sitting around strategically and you're kind of how

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Speaker 1: the fuck did that happen?

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01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 2: Right, that's how it happened. Right.

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Speaker 1: So when you look at this from a political perspective of, hey,

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01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: why did we lose, Well, the most dishonest guy that's

1204
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Speaker 1: ever been, a guy who's making up lies about Haitians

1205
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Speaker 1: eating cats and dogs. Somehow, because of your dishonesty, was

1206
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Speaker 1: able to encircle us neutralize the issue.

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Speaker 2: And there you go, right, So, you know, politic top issue.

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Speaker 3: I mean, did you see Anderson Cooper in the town

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Speaker 3: hall with her when he was like, well, why don't

1210
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 3: you just do the Title nine executive order again? What

1211
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 3: took so long? Why not do it at the same time.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that was very insightsive question, but it was

1213
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Speaker 3: pretty pretty basic. You don't have to be a rocket

1214
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 3: scientist to know that he could have could have fixed

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Speaker 3: the problem along. And it's a hard one. I mean,

1216
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Speaker 3: maybe just take accountability. We thought we could fix it

1217
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Speaker 3: with Congress. We should have done it this way. But

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01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 3: is weakness solve something you can't do? And Trump's or

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01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 3: of never say sorry, you know this is or never

1220
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Speaker 3: admit be accountable to anything you're right? I mean, these

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Speaker 3: are these are the things that we're going to look

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Speaker 3: back on, and I think a lot of the blame

1223
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Speaker 3: is going to be on Joe Biden if they lose.

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Speaker 3: I think people are going to be furious with Joe Biden.

1225
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Speaker 1: Is going to be a brutal, brutal, uh brutal thing

1226
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Speaker 1: for Joe Biden, for the people around him. It will

1227
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Speaker 1: shatter his legacy and it will it and it's going

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Speaker 1: to have it will have a profound impact on the

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Speaker 1: media business, right, which is you know, a subject for

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Speaker 1: another day.

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Speaker 2: In that you know you're in.

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Speaker 1: A news organization that is disrupting it. The media business

1233
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: is going to be further deeply disrupted by a by

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Speaker 1: a Trump win. There's gonna be a lot of soul

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Speaker 1: searching about the total disconnect and how he was covered

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Speaker 1: over the last nine years. But for sure, that being said,

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Speaker 1: I do want to say at this moment, you know

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Speaker 1: you heard, you know, it's it's close. You know, for

1239
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 1: those of you who are out there, you got to

1240
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:28,600
Speaker 1: be involved. You know, politics is a uh part of citizenship.

1241
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: Be a good citizen, do something, get involved, don't wind,

1242
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: don't complain, get in the fight.

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Speaker 2: And with that we there.

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Speaker 1: This is the warning. Thank you, Tara Palmieri, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for taking time this fleet Friday afternoon from

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Speaker 1: the East Coast.

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Speaker 3: Have a good one.

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Speaker 1: I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the warning and I invite

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