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Speaker 1: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. What's up? Everybody?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Move the Sticks presented by the US Marine

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Speaker 1: Corps and Bucky. We have got a loaded show today.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of intriguing things in the show.

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Speaker 1: We have a stated franchise with the Atlanta Falcons. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna bring in our buddy to help us fix to

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. And we got a couple of nuggets when

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Speaker 1: we talk about the perfect parents for everyone. Yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: in this draft class. But before we get to all

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Speaker 1: that stuff, big Pro day day today, we've got you

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Speaker 1: see Lego and we also have North Carolina going. You're

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Speaker 1: Mitch slash Mitchell. Big pro day for him, and what

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Speaker 1: cover two. Quincy Wilson is built to play in that

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Speaker 1: All right, Miami Dolphins, we're gonna focus defense here with

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Speaker 1: Let's go Jared Davis, linebacker from Florida. And to me,

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Speaker 1: one of the things I like about Jared Davis is, hey,

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Speaker 1: And you always say you can't win with dumb safeties,

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Speaker 1: I'm a big Marcus Williams fan. Alright, the Patriots. Here

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Speaker 1: as well. But Rosa, you're you're on assignment, you're working hard,

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Speaker 1: Rose Here's what I got for I'm gonna start out

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Speaker 1: Pick number twelve, I'm gonna go with O. J. Howard,

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Speaker 1: I've got Davis Webb the quarterback. We're gonna go thirty

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Speaker 1: Speedster on the other side. There is so to me.

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Speaker 1: I think we've got a nice little mix here for

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Speaker 1: my plan? Because I want you to win, and I

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Speaker 1: So on offense at twelve, I'm gonna give you a

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Speaker 1: true winner and Deshaun Watson. Look, no one has won

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Speaker 1: on defense, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I got to go

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Speaker 1: I want heavy on offense. We gotta fix this offense,

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Speaker 1: get get things going, not on defense. I saved the

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Speaker 1: best for last. I got the number one overall pick

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Speaker 1: Myles Garrett. I'm gonna plug him right in to a

431
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Speaker 1: pretty good young defensive line. Now you got some pieces

432
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Speaker 1: in place. Now you have a true premier, blue chip

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Speaker 1: player on that defensive Yeah. Like this, here's the problem

434
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Speaker 1: with you in Cleveland, Like you're you're not really embracing

435
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Speaker 1: the legacy of the dog Found. When you think about

436
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Speaker 1: the dog Found, you think about the defense, Hanford Dixon,

437
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Speaker 1: Frank Mannifield, all those guys playing on this side. You

438
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Speaker 1: have to build a defensive squad. So I'm gonna take

439
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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett and make sure we have a pass for

440
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Speaker 1: its just someone that can knock people around, they can

441
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Speaker 1: pelt them with dog biscuits. And then I'm coming back

442
00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,080
Speaker 1: with Quincy Wilson later to give us a cornerback in

443
00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,240
Speaker 1: the mold of those guys on the outside, gritty, tough, competitive,

444
00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:14,000
Speaker 1: all those things you're trying to be too. Too flashy, flashy, gritty, gritty.

445
00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,720
Speaker 1: We got, We got Miles Garrett, and they need to

446
00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,280
Speaker 1: score some points. Rose, this offense needs to score some points.

447
00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,320
Speaker 1: Help you understands that even with the cardiac kids, it's

448
00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,000
Speaker 1: still about the defense and audited other stuff like go ahead,

449
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Speaker 1: can I hop in here? Yes you are the guest.

450
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Speaker 1: Can I try and set this straight? We know what

451
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Speaker 1: they're doing. At one. That's done, sol Stamped. If a

452
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Speaker 1: defensive end could wear fifteen, we'd be selling Garret jerseys already. Okay,

453
00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,399
Speaker 1: so we got that taken care of at twelve. I

454
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:49,720
Speaker 1: like DJ's plan a little bit better than I like yours. Bucky. Um,

455
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Speaker 1: I'm you know, in talking with you guys and other

456
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Speaker 1: guys at the network, I'm just scared of this quarterback class,

457
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Speaker 1: and I think we need We're so deficient in playmakers

458
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Speaker 1: on both sides of the football. A guy like O. J.

459
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Speaker 1: Howard can change that. Um. Gary Barnage was great at

460
00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,360
Speaker 1: catching football's behind his head, in between his legs, off

461
00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,159
Speaker 1: his shoulder pads a couple of years ago, injury plague

462
00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,920
Speaker 1: last year. He's over thirty. He's a great dude. But

463
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Speaker 1: we need to freshen up the talent there. And I

464
00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,600
Speaker 1: know that you could get a guy like Ingraham in

465
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Speaker 1: the second round and probably be probably the player that

466
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Speaker 1: Howard can be. Okay, so you're close there. Um, so

467
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Speaker 1: I would I'm okay with DJ's plan there At thirty three,

468
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Speaker 1: I'm taking the best corner available. It's that simple. Uh.

469
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Speaker 1: They got a fine last year and Jamaar Taylor in

470
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Speaker 1: that trade with with the Dolphins where they gave up

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Speaker 1: a seventh round pick, they signed him to a three

472
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Speaker 1: year extension. They need Joe Hayden. He'll never be what

473
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Speaker 1: he once was. He's had too many lower leg injuries. Um,

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Speaker 1: So they need another corner that can help him out,

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Speaker 1: especially in playing the quarterbacks that they have to play

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Speaker 1: in that in that division, and the receivers that they

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Speaker 1: have to try and defend as well. Um. And then

478
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Speaker 1: at fifty two. God, it's a lot of anguish, it is,

479
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,359
Speaker 1: but this is the way it is. It's you know,

480
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Speaker 1: it's tough, all right. First of all, who's making these picks?

481
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Speaker 1: Is this Sashi Brown? Or can we can we like Drift?

482
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Speaker 1: I think I think there. I think this video might

483
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Speaker 1: be making the picks. We're gonna get a lot of

484
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Speaker 1: hits on this. Then I just pulled out my trusty

485
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Speaker 1: iPhone so I could pull out my calculator because I'm

486
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Speaker 1: down with the analytics crowd, and the analytics have told

487
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Speaker 1: me that my guys are more ready to lead a

488
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Speaker 1: turnaround in Cleveland. And you're just looking at a calculator

489
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Speaker 1: to calculator, and that's what it said. The number said

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Speaker 1: I'm a Q, Yes, what are we doing? What are

491
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Speaker 1: we doing? At fifty two rows? I gave you Cooper Cup. Yeah,

492
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Speaker 1: that's not bad. I know he slipped a little bit

493
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Speaker 1: at the combine that nobody liked that he ran a

494
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Speaker 1: four seven four or whatever. He ran a four six

495
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Speaker 1: to up here exaggerating whatever, you need another receiver, I'd

496
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Speaker 1: be okay with that. Um, if they want to double

497
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Speaker 1: down on a pass rusher too in this draft, I'm

498
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Speaker 1: good with it. You know, Greg Williams is one of

499
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Speaker 1: those guys that runs an exotic scheme. I hear that

500
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Speaker 1: he just needs intelligent people in order to run it.

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Speaker 1: So I'm okay with that. Um, we need a safety,

502
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 1: our safety stink. I mean I almost wanted to call

503
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Speaker 1: Felix Right and Chris Rockins and get those guys on

504
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Speaker 1: the phone, say, come on home from the eighties. Um,

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Speaker 1: they need some serious help there. I mean when they

506
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Speaker 1: the problem was when they missed out on Tony Jefferson,

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Speaker 1: I think it really kind of changed their draft a

508
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Speaker 1: little bit. They offered more money than the Ravens did,

509
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Speaker 1: and Jefferson said, you know what, I'm gonna go somewhere

510
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Speaker 1: where they're where I don't play money. I don't play

511
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Speaker 1: football for money. Wink wink um. But you know that

512
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Speaker 1: kind of changed. I think a little bit what the

513
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Speaker 1: Browns had to do draftwise. Rose, here's the deal. I'm

514
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Speaker 1: getting pressured for you to pick a winner, but I'm

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Speaker 1: calling an audible here, so I'm not the producers gonna

516
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Speaker 1: even matter. I'm calling an audible, so I'm taking I'm listening, right,

517
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Speaker 1: that's what you gotta do. You gotta get this star little.

518
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Speaker 1: This our Brown's draft from the three of us here,

519
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Speaker 1: we're gonna fix the Browns together. So I've I've compiled

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Speaker 1: a list a little bit of what I said, little

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Speaker 1: what Bucky said in a little Rose magic sprinkled on

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Speaker 1: top here. Okay, you ready for this. There's what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: When we've come to agreement here so we can sign

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Speaker 1: all three of us sign off on this. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: go Miles Garrett number one agreement. We're gonna go with

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Speaker 1: Howard to tie in at twelve, which I think we

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Speaker 1: can all get behind. Okay, now we get to thirty three,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna go Bucky's idea of taking a corner, which

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Speaker 1: you endorsed a corner atty so we're gonna go Quincy

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Speaker 1: Wilson at thirty three. Bucky, that was your guy there.

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Speaker 1: So now we've got our last pick. And now this

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Speaker 1: is where I just need to sign off on this.

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Speaker 1: Roses saying safety, right, we need a safety. How about

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Speaker 1: Bucky Josh Jones from North Carolina State nice who ran

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Speaker 1: in the four fours. He can he can cover a

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Speaker 1: man to man. He can do that. High safety people

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Speaker 1: knock you out. You talk about people throwing biscuits at players.

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Speaker 1: I think he would eat the biscuits. You'd be in

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Speaker 1: with that. So Rose, are you can you sign off

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Speaker 1: on this plan? I can as long as you guys

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Speaker 1: are okay with him. Apparently you guys know a little

542
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Speaker 1: bit more of out him, then I do. Yes, I

543
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Speaker 1: am signing off on the theory. Listen, the Browns are

544
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Speaker 1: set up over the next two drafts to make substantial steps.

545
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Speaker 1: As long as they don't with on draft picks. They can't.

546
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Speaker 1: I mean they've barely gotten the bat off their shoulder.

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Speaker 1: I hate to mix my metaphors. Well you can't. Here's

548
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: the deal. If you guys strike it rich in this draft,

549
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Speaker 1: I am going to redecorate my room so that I

550
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Speaker 1: put pictures of you guys on the beautiful paneling wall. Yeah.

551
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Speaker 1: I like that. I like Hey, let's go by the way.

552
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: Let's go fix her up and get some ship lap.

553
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: Let's let's turn those those that would around, Let's make

554
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: those things go loudly. Let's get some pretty hey rosa,

555
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: we gotta run, dude, we fix the Cleveland Browns. You

556
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Speaker 1: signed off on it. You you you said we've got

557
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Speaker 1: them fixed. We're done. I mean, if it was that simple,

558
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have put up with eighteen years of anguish

559
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 1: since coming back in the NFL. But thank you. In

560
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Speaker 1: seven minutes, we fixed the Browns. There you go. Chris

561
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: Throws put his stamp of approval. Congratulations, Bucky, We we

562
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: fixed the Cleveland Browns. This I give it my bull endorsement. Thanks, guys,

563
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Speaker 1: appreciated Rows. So now that we fixed them, how about

564
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Speaker 1: we talked to one of the guys that you say

565
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Speaker 1: would be a nice brown with those of your interview

566
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Speaker 1: with Cooper Cup. Chance to be joined right now by

567
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Speaker 1: one of the top receivers in the two thousand seventeen

568
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Speaker 1: draft class, Cooper Cup from Eastern Washington. Cooper, we got

569
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Speaker 1: a chance to uh to see you down there in

570
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Speaker 1: Mobile the Senior Bowl. So you get at the combine

571
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Speaker 1: and now we're getting towards the end of the process,

572
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Speaker 1: got your pro day head and the draft will be

573
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Speaker 1: here before you know it. How excited are you to

574
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Speaker 1: put this whole thing behind you, get with a team

575
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Speaker 1: and just start playing football. Yeah, I can't wait. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait. That's the You go through this whole thing

577
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Speaker 1: to get to that point. So I'm excited to finally

578
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Speaker 1: you know where we're gonna be at, what kind of

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Speaker 1: team I'm gonna be on, and and just be able

580
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Speaker 1: to go out there and play ball again. Well, let's

581
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Speaker 1: get back to the football thing here. I want in

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Speaker 1: a minute, I'm gonna ask you to put your scouting

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Speaker 1: hat on. I'm gonna throw some tape up. We're gonna

584
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Speaker 1: let you break down some tape of some guys I

585
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Speaker 1: know you followed and kept an eye on. But I

586
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Speaker 1: want to tell your backstory a little bit for those

587
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Speaker 1: that are listening and watching haven't heard it. Um, I

588
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 1: asked you this question when we got a chance to

589
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Speaker 1: meet a month or so ago. How the heck do

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Speaker 1: you end up at Eastern Washington. Yeah, so I came

591
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Speaker 1: out of school and uh Yakima, Washington A C. Davis

592
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Speaker 1: High School, and it had a pretty bad history of

593
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Speaker 1: not having a good foot Give me the years. You

594
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Speaker 1: told me how many years have been since the it

595
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Speaker 1: was forty years of not having winning season. So, I

596
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Speaker 1: mean obviously had gone through some tough, tough times. Um

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Speaker 1: So we kind of came into a place where the

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Speaker 1: school had been through stuff as well in terms of

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Speaker 1: the public eye that wasn't good stuff as well. So

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Speaker 1: it's a perception of that school already. Uh. You know,

601
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Speaker 1: as we came in there with a group of guys

602
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Speaker 1: who want to turn that all around, the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: the football side and just kind of the perception of

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Speaker 1: the public head of it. And so we gotta go

605
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Speaker 1: in there and and we did eventually my last two

606
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Speaker 1: years we were as close as you can be and

607
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Speaker 1: not having winning season. I think we're like six and

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Speaker 1: six and five of both years six and four. Um,

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Speaker 1: but you know, it's still one of those things where

610
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Speaker 1: you know, we we were able to turn things around

611
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Speaker 1: and you know, the perception of the school change, and

612
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: that was ultimately the main goal is creating that legacy. Um.

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Speaker 1: So that was a big part of why I went there,

614
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Speaker 1: but it doesn't get recruited heavily. Not a lot of coaches,

615
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Speaker 1: not a lot of college coaches rolling through there exactly.

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of part of why I end up

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Speaker 1: at Eastern Washington, but extremely blessed to be where I was. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got a chance to bloom where you're planning there,

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Speaker 1: you get the Eastern Washington And I've got your stats

620
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Speaker 1: here because it's it's kind of ridiculous. You have to

621
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Speaker 1: look at it to make sure that it's right to

622
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Speaker 1: a double take here, four eight career receptions, six thousand,

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Speaker 1: four hundred and sixty four yards, seventy three touchdowns, your

624
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Speaker 1: lowest touchdown. You're what happened your sophomore? You're only sixteen touchdowns?

625
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 1: What was going on here? But to me, the fifty

626
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Speaker 1: two starts. That speaks to the durability that you've had.

627
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Speaker 1: And now as you look forward, Um, you got a

628
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Speaker 1: chance to meet with some teams and meet with some coaches.

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Speaker 1: I know you're inquisitive, like when you asked teams and

630
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Speaker 1: coaches what what they like about your game and maybe

631
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Speaker 1: an area that they say you can improve and and

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Speaker 1: in from your own personal perspective, give me the answers

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Speaker 1: to both those questions. Yeah, so I guess first the

634
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Speaker 1: things I need to improve on. Uh In my mind,

635
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Speaker 1: there's there's no part of my game that I feel

636
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Speaker 1: like it's set. There's no part of the game life

637
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Speaker 1: like that I'm good enough in this part. Every part

638
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: of my game is always under construction. Uh So, in

639
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: that regard for me, I want I'm my biggest critic.

640
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 1: I will always be my biggest critic. Uh So, there's

641
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: a lot I need to improve on, and some of

642
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 1: the things I think stood out to me, especially at

643
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: the senior boy had an opportunity obviously strap up in

644
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 1: the ind of January, where most guys have to wait

645
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: until you know, late spring to be able to do that,

646
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: but an opportunity to kind of figure out what kind

647
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: of things I want to improve on myself. Um And

648
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: I feel listening like at the top of routes, when

649
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: you're running a curl route against two men and you're

650
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: running I wroute that should be canceled, you know. I mean,

651
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: you've got your dvs on your inside hip and trail,

652
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 1: and you know the top and send you're coming right

653
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: back down to him. You gotta figure out how to

654
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: create separations still, and that's why I probably myself. I'm

655
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: gonna make sure even when everything about this defense says

656
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be open, I'm gonna make sure I can

657
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: get open. So, you know, being able to open my

658
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: hips up more, come right back down my stalement and

659
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: be physical through the top of that route. It's gonna

660
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: give me the opportunity to be open still. Uh. So's

661
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: those kind of situations I want to be able to improve,

662
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: um and I mean that goes right back to what

663
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: my strength is is. I'm gonna find a way to

664
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: get open. Yeah, I look at you and we've we've

665
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: talked about it before. We talked about it on our

666
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: Combine coverage two. In terms of just route running at

667
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: the Christmas is Christmas the word I don't know about

668
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: that happened at app State. We could. It's a word

669
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: for us. So I'm gonna go Christmas. I'm gonna say Christmas,

670
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: Merry Christmas. Uh. You're just such a clean, crisp or

671
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: out runner and the fact that you still want to

672
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: improve in that area, uh says a lot. I want

673
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: you to put your scouting hat on, though. I want

674
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: to throw some Antonio Brown up here in the in

675
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: the screen. And I know you've talked about different guys

676
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: you like to study and uh and learn something from.

677
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: What do you see from Antonio Brown when you watch

678
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: him up here? He's he understands he's a quick guy.

679
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: He knows, you seem in the last scream which he's

680
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: very quick, and his releases come to bounces, his go

681
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: to I think, uh, and he's able to just run

682
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: through contact and a lot of stuff you're a let's

683
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: see here especially was first two is he's pulling through

684
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: at conda and that's something as a smaller guy. You

685
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: see this here hand fighting at at the top of

686
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: routes and then being adjust on the ball and something here. Uh,

687
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean he's quick, That's that's That's what it comes

688
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: down to me. He knows he's quicker than us. He's

689
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: able to set guys up and then make plays off

690
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: the ball in those first two places. I think we're

691
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: very special in the terms of uh. He he might

692
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: not be the biggest guy, but he knows how he

693
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: uses hands and get open and when the balls thrown

694
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: his way, he's gonna find a way to adjust and

695
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: make the player. Yeah. One of the things we will

696
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: say that the biggest transition for receivers when we get

697
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: out there. When I was scouting, you get out there

698
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: with teams for what you saw in college. You get

699
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: to on an NFL field, Just getting off the line

700
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: of scrimmage is gonna be a big challenge for guys.

701
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: So have you been working on your releases continually getting

702
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: ready to go? Variety of at leases? What's your go to? Yeah?

703
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: So here, come to balance is an important one. The

704
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: best thing will come to balance is as you as

705
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: you come to balance, he gives you a two way

706
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: go your you have power off of both feet. Uh,

707
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: and so you're able to react quicker. And there's a

708
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: there's a great balance with Antonio Brown or with with

709
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: come to balance that you know it's it's it's not

710
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: as much you're dictating, but the same time you're having

711
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: to react. You know, you you can have an idea

712
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: of what the DBS trying to take away. You're gonna

713
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: try to exploit that. But as soon as the snap happens,

714
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: you know that could be changing. So you gotta be

715
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: will react to that the same way coming to balance,

716
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: giuse the opportunity to be explode said one way but

717
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: then be able to react, be physical through contact and

718
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: get back to your out. All right, that's great, let's

719
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: go on to now. I think we got some Jordy

720
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: Nelson tape here a little more size, I think frame wise,

721
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: Jordy Nelson compared a little bit more to you frame wise.

722
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: What do you see when you when you watch him here? Yeah,

723
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: well I think he's a speeder at least guy dips

724
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: his shoulder. Well here um gets his leverage or this

725
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: out route, Um, it looks looks pretty solid. You see

726
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: a little bit of that punt return background Geather Kansas

727
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: State back in the day. Yeah, I mean this is good. Here,

728
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: look at finding finding zone, sings zone, knowing how to

729
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: get open. He sees that Mike Backer squeezing that a zoe,

730
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna slide into that second window. Huge sing in

731
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: the red zone. There's now a whole lot of space.

732
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: So if you as a receiver, if you're able to

733
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: find that space, give your quarterback an opportunity to the ball.

734
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: That's huge. Yeah, we talked about spatial awareness and being

735
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: such a big thing when you're working on option routes,

736
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: you're working in his own coverage. Something that he's done

737
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: very well something that you do really well too. When

738
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: you get a chance to watch you on tape, that

739
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: that feel, uh for what you're doing there? What um?

740
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: When you watch Jordy Nelson, Um, I see somebody at

741
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: the top of the route being able to win. He

742
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: wins some fifty fifty balls, wins a lot of those. Um.

743
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: When you're going and watch you on tape, I see

744
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: you do with a lot of those same things. What's

745
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: the key to you one of those balls? It's it's

746
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: all a mentality at that point. It doesn't matter. I mean,

747
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how big you are or what you

748
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: can do in terms of how high you can jump.

749
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to jump and there's pressure coming

750
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: on on your stope, you gotta bill stop and jump

751
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: back into people. It's a lot of different than just

752
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: running it or just jumping a straight vertical. You know.

753
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: It's there's a there's this art form to being able

754
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: to go up and get a ball, and a lot

755
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: of it starts with the mentality and the balls in

756
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: the air. It's it's yours as a receiver. That's your ball,

757
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: and you evenna make sure the last thing is gonna

758
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: happen is Dv's gonna end up with it. The worst

759
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: case scenario that ball is incomplete, but that when we

760
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: go for those things, those things are yours, and there's

761
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: a there's a uh lost off art form. I think

762
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: of being able to really adjust and be able to

763
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: jump and and snag the ball. It's highest point when

764
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: you've got someone on you. We always say, like guys

765
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: like des Brian be insulted if you use the term

766
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: fifty fifty because he thinks his chances are a little

767
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: bit better than even there when the ball goes up

768
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: in the air. Uh see some of the same there

769
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: with you, all right, one of them. We've gone through

770
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: all the interviews we've had with players this year. We've

771
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: tried to get three answers for him on three questions.

772
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: So I want to hit you up with those. They

773
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: are the three h s here. So the first question

774
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: is what's the biggest hardship that you've been through in

775
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 1: your life? Could be football related or or off the field. Yeah,

776
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: my biggest hardship it was a long term thing. It

777
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: was something. Uh. I grew up with a certain group

778
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: of friends that are all playing football, playing We played football, basketball,

779
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: baseball together all the way through. When I was hit

780
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: sixth grade, I just I just stopped growing and all

781
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 1: my other guys just started taking off. And Uh, I

782
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,479
Speaker 1: was on his basketball team and travel basketball teams were

783
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: all over the place. My dad would take me to him.

784
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm stating on the bench, and my dad's watched me

785
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: on the bench, and you know, everyone's slapping the backboard.

786
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to touch the bottom of the net. And

787
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: I remember my dad sat there and I was on

788
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: my way to this, on my way to practice, the

789
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: two blocks away from this, uh from practice, and uh,

790
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: he said, you know, it's gonna take more from you

791
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: than it is these other guys. There's there's a certain

792
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: level of heart that's gonna have to propel you to

793
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: where you want to go. And that that stuck with

794
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: me in terms of, you know, I'm nothing's gonna be

795
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: even to me. I wasn't blessed with this incredible talent.

796
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: I wasn't blessed with speed or size anything like that.

797
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to work if I want to keep

798
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: up with these guys and bill it do what I

799
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: want to do. And so you know, that was the

800
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: biggest thing is going through these few years where I

801
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: was struggling just to get by on these things and

802
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: just to even just hang out with my friends. I

803
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: was like, if I want to play with all with

804
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: you guys, I gotta I gotta make sure I'm working

805
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: on my game. And so you know, that was a

806
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: tough thing from me. I learned how to work hard,

807
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 1: but it ended up being a huge blessing for me.

808
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: All right, When did the girl spur come? The girls

809
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: spur didn't come and tell? Probably my sophomore junior year

810
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: and then you just hit, like, what six seven inches

811
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: one summer? I did, so my my freshman year, I

812
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: was I waited. I was five four hundred nineteen pounds.

813
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: So that's that's the thing. I've got an ankle waits

814
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: on two pound ankle waite. So I was early about

815
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen pounds um. And so I mean that's

816
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: just kind of my starting point in high school. And

817
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: so graduating about six one hundred seventy eight. So even then,

818
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: graduating out of high school is still working on where

819
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: I am today. You had a little get a couple

820
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: more inches, still a girl, all right? How your your

821
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: greatest highlight now? Athletically, what would you say, is your

822
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: your crowning moment, they're your greatest highlight, greatest highlight. Um,

823
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: you know, I was able to play for some very

824
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: good teams. Um you know, uh uh my freshman year,

825
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: I gotta play an extra guy named Ashton Clark and

826
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: he he kind of took me under his wing, taught

827
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: me a lot about the game. He was a senior,

828
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: but I came in and earned the one spot. And

829
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: his reaction to that could have been he had kind

830
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: of had some of the other guys above him for

831
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: a few years. But he took me to his wing

832
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: and it didn't take any He just wanted to win.

833
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: He didn't take any anything out on me or give

834
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: me any attitude or anything like that because I take

835
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: I mean as a freshman taking his spot basically. But

836
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: he you know, put his nose and he said, I'm

837
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: gonna work hard and I'm gonna take on me and

838
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: we're gonna be the best deal we can be. And

839
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, being able to I think we uh for

840
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: a time, set the record for most yards between two

841
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: receivers on the same team. And where we go in

842
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: a Big Sky championship As a freshman and that was

843
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: just so much fun for me to be able to

844
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: you know, play play alongside him. That's a good one.

845
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: Now the final eight here is easy one. Here. Who's

846
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: your hero? My heroes? My dad? Tell for those who

847
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: don't know about your your friend, let's you start with

848
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: your grandfather. Then get to your dad here for those stories.

849
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: So my grandpa he played for the Saints back in

850
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: the day, played for a few teams, but played most

851
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: of his time with the Saints back in the sixties

852
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: with Archie Manning. And then my dad was drafted by

853
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Speaker 1: the Giants I believe and played with the Cowboys for

854
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: I think it was only two years. Um, but you know, so,

855
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: so having those bloodlines was it is obviously huge. I

856
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: mean I came in my my loves my passions football

857
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: and I gets share that with my dad, my grandpa,

858
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: which is a huge thing. And uh so you know,

859
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: being able to grow up with them, it was it

860
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: was just incredible and just not even just the football settings,

861
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: but the men that they are and the care they

862
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: have for people. Um, was really something that that you know,

863
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: I want to emulate in my life. All right, Now,

864
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: you're married. Last question, how has being married how is

865
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: that going to help you be a better football player.

866
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've been asked that question something

867
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: along those I want to hit you with that one.

868
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: So my wife's my biggest encouraged, my biggest fan, my

869
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: biggest supporter, and knows she was an athlete herself, and

870
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: there's vision one athletes, So she knows sacrifices it takes

871
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: to be great and and knows my goals better than

872
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: anyone else does, and she knows what's gonna take to

873
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: get there. And you know she's having two people working

874
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: alongside each other to achieve those goals is a huge thing.

875
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 1: And uh you know, I've got someone in my corner

876
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: that's pushing me to be the best that I can

877
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: be when I even when I don't maybe want to

878
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: and I probably myself, I'm pushing myself as hard as

879
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: I can possibly be at all times to be the best.

880
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: And I got her come along inside me to do

881
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: that as well. And uh so it's a it's a

882
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: huge blessing in my life. And I'm very excited moving

883
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: forward and going and striving to be the best that

884
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: I can be. Can't cheat your reps when you got

885
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: a wife she's not gonna let you cheat your reps.

886
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: Though she's not, You're gonna get them all in. Hey,

887
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: that's that's Cooper Cup. One of my favorite players to

888
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: watch this draft class. Cooper, best of luck. Can't wait

889
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: to see where you go and excited to watch your

890
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: your future, your NFL future unfold. Thank you very much,

891
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. All right, Bucky Well, Cooper Cup

892
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: to me, I think, look, you can talk about we

893
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: can debate his ceiling all we want. I think he's

894
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 1: got an extremely high floor in this draft class. Well, absolutely,

895
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: because you can buy it to the kids. You know,

896
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna be dedicate. You know, he's gonna be determined,

897
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna be on a detail. He's gonna be disciplined

898
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: about working on his craft. That's going to give him

899
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: an opportunity to carve out a nice career in the

900
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: National Football League. Yeah, the dude loves football. I mean

901
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: there's no question about that. Absolutely. Now there's a little

902
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: bit more to that interview as well. If you if

903
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: you want to check out the entire interview, all I

904
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: gotta do is go to NFL dot com slash mts videos.

905
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: You can check it out there or just get the

906
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: audio version of the movie. Sticks podcast will have it

907
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: all in there and its entirety there with Cooper cup

908
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: All right, Bucky, some some interesting news just kind of

909
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 1: came down from our Ian Rappaport, who's reporting that Cam

910
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: Newton has a partially torn rotator cuff and and gonna

911
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: undergo surgery here pretty soon. This is this is pretty

912
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: major development. Well, I think it's a major development without

913
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: knowing more about the ends, in particulars of the injury,

914
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: the fact that it's his throwing shoulder and he's having

915
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: surgery that probably takes him out all of the mini camps,

916
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: the O t A s and may linger in the

917
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: training camp and into the regular season. You to Carolina Panthers,

918
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: you have a nice backup in Derek Anderson. But does

919
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: that change your draft plans in terms of maybe founding

920
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: the number three quarterback that you may have to lean on. Well,

921
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: just work with me on this. This is this is

922
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: the way I'm looking at this right now. One of

923
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: the things with a quarterback, you hurt your shoulder. The

924
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: first thing that we think about, right he's throwing shoulder,

925
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: like he's gonna impact him as a thrower. I'm looking

926
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: at it saying there's no more physical runner in the

927
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: NFL than Cam Newton. He's gonna have to dial that

928
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: way back, especially coming off of a shoulder injury in

929
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: this next upcoming season. You know, would really help when

930
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: you need somebody else to run the rock. Hold sixth

931
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: overall pick. Maybe maybe you're running back. Yeah, maybe a

932
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: guy down l s U. He's pretty physical, you might end.

933
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: I think now that we say they discovered us in

934
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: week fourteen, it begins to kind of connect the dots.

935
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: Rhymer Very and staff it talked about changing and becoming

936
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: more of a traditional offense, putting Cam understand and doing

937
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: some of the things, but they take uh, some of

938
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: the responsibility away from him as a runner. Office shoulders

939
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: never begin to understand why that may have been a

940
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: big initiative in the off season. Yeah, look, it's that's

941
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: gonna be a challenge there for the Carolina Panthers moving forward.

942
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: But I do think you get Leonard Fournette, put him

943
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: back there. You can keep your physical identity as a

944
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: football team. You just don't ask your quarterback to do that. Well,

945
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the change of changes it obviously

946
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: want to be more physical it also changed the way

947
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 1: they approached their ridzone. You talk about a guy who's

948
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: been most prolific quarterback when it comes to rushing touchdowns

949
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: in NFL history. Now you want to take all of

950
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: that office plate. That's somebody else trying to find a

951
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: way to get into the goal lot. Al right, backy,

952
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Speaker 1: we got busy today. We got a lot of a

953
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Speaker 1: lot of stuff, a lot of things we accomplished on

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Speaker 1: today's episode. Here, we've got plenty more to come. We're

955
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Speaker 1: talking about our audio podcast. You guys can check that

956
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: out on iTunes as well as NFL dot com Slash

957
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: podcast We're on path to the Draft Monday through Friday,

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Speaker 1: six Eastern. You can check us out on there. We'll

959
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,439
Speaker 1: keep these video shows crank, keep cranking these things out

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Speaker 1: as well, so lots of Move the Sticks content going

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Speaker 1: to continue to come your way again. Move the Sticks

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Speaker 1: presented by the U. S. Marine Corps. Thank you guys

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Speaker 1: for checking us out and we'll see you next time.

964
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Speaker 1: Thanks for downloading Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and

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