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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,

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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah me too.

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,

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Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.

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Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after

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Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full

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Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard, to dig

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Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to

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Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about this week's full episode subject on Mark Lanagan.

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Speaker 1: We're rewinding back to our jay Z episode, previewing our

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Speaker 1: upcoming episode on Run DMC Part two on Run DMC,

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Speaker 1: where we dive deep into the death of jam Master

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Speaker 1: Jay and we get into your voicemails, texts, and as.

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders,

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Speaker 1: the independent thinkers who know that the best history is

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Speaker 1: the history that gets buried. Disgraceland is where I tell

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Speaker 1: the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end

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Speaker 1: up telling that someone else all right, discos, let's get

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Speaker 1: into it, okay. A couple of weeks ago, we talked

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Speaker 1: the real stories from music history. I jokingly refer to

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Speaker 1: the villain that prevents us from getting these stories as Chasm,

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Speaker 1: the corporate algorithmic studio storytelling machine. And when you know,

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Speaker 1: just five six days ago, the New York Times magazine

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Speaker 1: ran a story called Here's the title called rocks Legends

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Speaker 1: were messy. You'd never know that from today's movies subtitle.

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Speaker 1: People used to eat up salacious stories of rock and

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Speaker 1: roll excess. Now they're the last things filmmakers want to touch.

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Speaker 1: The article then goes on to make our point about

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Speaker 1: Chasm in great detail. It posits it because there's now

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Speaker 1: so much money tied to the publishing of artists' songs.

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Speaker 1: You heard about Dylan selling his catalog for two hundred

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Speaker 1: these artist songs that the labels, the pig publishers now own,

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Speaker 1: the biopiics now serve as the engines that drive the

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Speaker 1: again by the publisher slash record labels. The point being

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Speaker 1: the latter example, the messier option is the more interesting option.

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Speaker 1: But the filmmakers, they treat us like children, like we

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Speaker 1: This isn't solely about whether Dylan wrecked his bike. It's

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Speaker 1: LA fireyd California Wildfires charity concert scandal quote unquote scandal

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Speaker 1: about the singer songwriter who not only procured drugs for

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Speaker 4: Hey, Jake, David Fellow L James Over, you're talking about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't surprise me that the Canadians love Matthew

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Speaker 1: All the best in rock and ROLLA Jim from the

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Speaker 1: Landy's Neck of the Woods. Landy's Sun is killing it.

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Speaker 1: to tell you, guys about American Primeval, created by Peter Burg,

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Speaker 1: who wrote the opening episode directed it. I imagine he's directed

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Speaker 1: a bunch and written a bunch. I love Peter Berg,

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Speaker 1: loved episode one of this new series, and I'm watching

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Speaker 1: set in the eighteen hundreds in Utah, and given that

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Speaker 1: I just got back from Montana, this is hitting me perfectly.

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Speaker 1: What a beautiful part of the country, guys, unique part

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Speaker 1: of the country too. I'm reading I think I mentioned

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Speaker 1: this last week. I'm reading Tom mcgain's Nobody's Angel, which

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Speaker 1: is set in Montana, and I don't know. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I love the story. I love the pros

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Speaker 1: or parts of it, but oftentimes the best part of

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Speaker 1: it is the pros about Montana, but sometimes the pros

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Speaker 1: is just overwhelming the story. Now I'm not sure like

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Speaker 1: I said, how good this book is. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I am sure about how great that part of the

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Speaker 1: country is. Montana, Utah just gorgeous. And yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's where I'm at on the reading front and on

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Speaker 1: the list sitting in front. We're still in the midst

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Speaker 1: of our Turnstile summer here in the Brennan household, with

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Speaker 1: every family member walking around the house randomly shouting never enough,

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Speaker 1: and you know, hoping to go see him in a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. They're playing close by, gonna hopefully bring

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Speaker 1: the family, the whole wife, kids, the whole shebang. And

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Speaker 1: now you know, like I said, when we're just in Montana,

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Speaker 1: we're taking the chairlifts up to the top of the mountain,

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Speaker 1: a big sky and taking in that incredible view. And

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Speaker 1: we were rocking that song as we were doing it.

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Speaker 1: My kids love it. Very cool moment. And I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: you know, Turnstyle not anything new for people in the

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Speaker 1: hardcore scene, but this record is transcendent and if you've

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Speaker 1: might find yourself as a new fan. All Right, I'm babbling.

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Speaker 1: I started this block talking about Peter Berg's new TV show,

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Speaker 1: thinking it would give me an occasion to talk about

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Speaker 1: Peter Berg and cop Land, which is a great movie,

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Speaker 1: one of my favorites, which would then allow me an

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Speaker 1: easy transition into some movie talk, so I could pimp

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Speaker 1: out our other podcast, hollywood Land, where just like in Disgraceland,

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Speaker 1: we on earth hard to find story but they're about

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Speaker 1: Hollywood icons, not musicians, and there are course mixed up

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Speaker 1: I will see you in the Patreon chat. All right, guys,

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Speaker 1: we are back about to close up the shop here.

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Speaker 1: In the after Party, we talked, as we always do

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Speaker 1: every week, about a bunch of different musicians who came

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Speaker 1: up in this in this story, Robbie Robertson, Bob Dylan,

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Speaker 1: Johnny Cash, Kirk Cobaine, Serge Gainsburg, Martley Crue. We mentioned

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Speaker 1: all of them. Matt will have the episode information in

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Speaker 1: the show notes of this yere bonus up so you

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Speaker 1: Can easily find those stories if you're so interested. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's recap and then I gotta get out of here,

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Speaker 1: gonna go eat number one, this week's full episode on

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Speaker 1: mark Land again, that's live right now, number two. Next

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Speaker 1: up in your feed, We're rewinding our jay Z episode

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Speaker 1: number three. Next week, our part two episode on run DMC.

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Speaker 1: Our jam Master J episode we get into the death

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Speaker 1: to your voice helps uncover. Listen to your voice helps

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Speaker 1: uncover what gets buried. Your takes propel me into the

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Speaker 1: dark corners of music history. So keep them coming. Dig Baby,

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Speaker 1: Dig now, that the night is over. Number six, don't

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Speaker 1: forget this goes. This isn't just content, it's a community,

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Speaker 1: a community of the obsessed, and no one cares about music, books,

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Speaker 1: records and the crime and grime that ties them all together,

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Speaker 1: like you do. And well that's a disgrace, all right.

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Speaker 1: This this week's new episode subject Mark Lanigan passed away.

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Speaker 1: Back on February twenty second, twenty twenty two. Here's what

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Speaker 1: America was listening to on that day, according to the

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Speaker 1: Billboard Charts. Number one, we don't talk about Bruno, Carolina Gayton,

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Speaker 1: Mara Castillo last week one peak position one weeks on

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Speaker 1: chart seven. Number two, do we have a problem, Nicki

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Speaker 1: Minaj and Little Baby last week non applicable peak position

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Speaker 1: weeks on chart Talk one. Number three Easy ones Adele

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Speaker 1: last week two position one one week some weeks on

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Speaker 1: chart seventy eighteen. Number four, we have heat waves animates

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Speaker 1: last week Caroline three peak position position three, two weeks

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Speaker 1: on charts on fifty six number five weeks say Kim Laura.

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