1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we are back on. Normally the show with 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: normalis takes, but when the news gets weird. I'm Mary 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Catherine Ham. 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: And I am Carol Markowitz, and we are in the 5 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 2: same room. 6 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Mary cant it's weird because it's weird. It's weird on 7 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: normally today it's a weird abnormally. 8 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 2: Normally today, we're in Palm Beach. And the only reason 9 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: I'm saying that is because we're going to be gone 10 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: by the time this airs. My husband does not let 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: me share location. It's a you know, ever since the 12 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 2: four Square days where people would check in everywhere they went. 13 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: He did not, like I've always been delayed on sharing 14 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: the location. It just seems like it just seems wise, right. 15 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: I know, normally listeners are our people and will not 16 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: just show up to where they think we might be 17 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: in Palm Beach. But nevertheless, it is nice to be 18 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: in the free State of Florida. 19 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: Not bad, right, Yeah. And at this lovely place where 20 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: we are staying, I was craving chocolate and I was like, 21 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to go get myself some chocolate, and I 22 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: know it's going to be were priced at the little 23 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: store in the hotel and it was and I paid 24 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: too much. It was fine. Story's going back up to 25 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: my room. And immediately after buying my overpriced chocolate, someone 26 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: knocks on the door and says, here's some complimentary chocolate. 27 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: I was like, well, to go. 28 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 2: Now, and you could take a complimentary chocolate home. 29 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: I'm doing We'll see it might be gone. Okay, all right, 30 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: shall we get to the news, must get into it. 31 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: So the big beautiful Bill, the one big beautiful bill, 32 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: is still the subject of much consternation. That is the 33 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,639 Speaker 1: word I was gonna use. We are on the same page. Look, 34 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: I Elon's mad. He's like, I'm out of here. I'm 35 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: going back to my businesses right right, head. This is nonsense. 36 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: Russ vote over at the White House along with the 37 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: White House saying, look, there's a lot of good stuff 38 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: in this bill, which we had to do this in 39 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: order to get the tax cuts extended. We had to 40 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: get it. We added order security, we'd all, yeah, I 41 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: don't think I expected any better than this, which is 42 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: why I'm like, yeah, second better. 43 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: You could hear the disappointment in Elon's tone. He's so 44 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: annoyed at this, and I fully understand him, But you 45 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: know you and I have been around political luck once 46 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: or twice and we're like, good, this is manny with 47 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: that bad. 48 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: Well, And so he puts forth all these cuts. Those 49 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: cuts can't necessarily go into this particular bill. 50 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: They have to be part of a decision pack about 51 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: that on a previous episode, if anybody wants to catch 52 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: up with that. 53 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: Which and the President is sending that stuff over to 54 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: a total of about nine billion, which is not a 55 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: lot of money in the grand scheme of things, but 56 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: is something uh, And Speaker Johnson is like, yes, we're 57 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: going to take that up asap. People who are invested 58 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: in the Doge cuts are understandably mad, like this should 59 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: be done immediately. In fact, I would argue maybe they 60 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: should have changed the order and done a couple Doge 61 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: cuts first. Yeah, you've done to this. But let's hear 62 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: a little bit about why Elon Musk is upset and 63 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: I'm with him on this. Here's a little clip. 64 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 3: The reason I'm here is because I'm I'm very worried 65 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 3: about America going bankrupt due to the corruption of waste, 66 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 3: and if we're gonna do something about it, the ship 67 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: of America is going to sink and we're all on 68 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: that ship, you know, and this may be a message 69 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: to you know, people out there who have you know, 70 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 3: are wealthy, have a lot of means or patrol companies. 71 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 3: It's like, just remember, we're all in ship of America here. 72 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: If your company is not going to exist, if you know, 73 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: if the ship of America sinks, and we should do 74 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: everything we possibly can to ensure that America is strong 75 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 3: for far into the future. 76 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: It's really he's not mad, he's just disappointed, and he's right. Yeah, 77 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 2: of course he's right, and or he's right. 78 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: But part of the problem is neither Doge, nor the 79 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: Republican President, House Senate, nor any Democrat one once she 80 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: touched the thing that's actually the problem, which entitlements. And 81 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: if you don't do that, you really can't get a 82 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: handle on the bankrupt plan. 83 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: You can't get elected if you're going to touch in titlements. 84 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: And you can't fix things unless you touch in titlements. 85 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: So they're in this catch twenty two. I don't think 86 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: anybody even wants to fix it anymore. I don't know, 87 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: you know, the deficit that we barely talk about it, 88 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: and Elon is of course he's right. Of course, He's 89 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: right that we're in big trouble together, but you know, 90 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 2: getting politicians who care about that and who are willing 91 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: to take political risks to fix it. 92 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: It's very tough. By the way, there is there is 93 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: an occasional headline that makes me go about the big 94 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: Beautiful Bill, such as the Hill the Big Beautiful Bill 95 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: would secretly dismantle the civil Service. I'm listening, tell me. Katie. 96 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: Pavloch noted that there's a lot of border security stuff 97 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: in here that would get Trump through this term. Here's 98 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: Russ Vote, who's the OMB director with this administration planning 99 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: what he says is good about this bill. 100 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 4: We think the bill is a very good one. We 101 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 4: think it's very strong. Fiscally, nothing's changed from our view 102 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 4: of the world. We understand where he's coming from. But 103 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 4: if you have an accurate baseline that trefs taxes the 104 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 4: same way trees spending, this budget is one point six 105 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 4: trillion dollars in mandatory savings. It's the most historic amount 106 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 4: of mandatory reforms that this town has ever seen, and 107 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 4: certainly we haven't seen anything like it since the mid 108 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 4: nineteen nineties with welfare reform. And it's a one point 109 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 4: four trillion dollar improvement to deficits and debt. So, but 110 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 4: I don't think there's any way that you could possibly 111 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 4: suggest this is not a fiscally responsible bill. 112 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: I feel like. 113 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: There's some ways we could argue this is fiscally responsible. 114 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: You could find some and I'm gonna. 115 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 2: Try with my husband, like, I want to do a 116 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: lot of shopping and then be like, this is the 117 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 2: lowest amount of shopping this family has seen in the 118 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 2: last five. 119 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: Years, you know, And to be analogous, you need to 120 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 1: like really rack up your shopping in twenty twenty twenty 121 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: twenty one, which is what the federal government did the 122 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: bags for everyone. The levels of spending from twenty twenty 123 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty one are absolutely insane. The baselines that 124 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: they've been observing since then are insane because that's what 125 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: government does. And that's the part where I feel like 126 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: if there had been an attempt to be really bold, 127 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: you could have said like, hey, let's back this train up. 128 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: And by the way, this is bold on federal government standards, 129 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: which is just like, let's take it back to normal 130 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: town in twenty nineteen. Yeah, if that's what we made it, we're. 131 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 2: Asking it for right. It's not even like, Okay, yes, 132 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: cutting entitlements obviously would make a huge difference, but you're 133 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 2: unwilling to do that. At least get us back to 134 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 2: where we were before the pandemic. And I don't think 135 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 2: Elon's really asking too much. 136 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and vote is right that the way they score 137 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: these things, by the Congressional Budget Office, which makes these determinations, 138 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: they count taxes as if that all that government beyond 139 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: belongs to the government and not to you. So the 140 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: way they calculate it does ding the bill and rights 141 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: that are unfair to the bill. However, nevertheless, there's a 142 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: lot there. I did see today that this is not 143 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: through this bill, but sanctuary. Duffy cut seven billion or 144 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: four to seven billion to California for their high speed rail, 145 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: which has never yet layin a track. Meanwhile, Florida's like 146 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: got a private high speed rail line. It's just like, oh, yeah, 147 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: we made in like a year and a half, right, 148 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: and it's working great. Yeah, it's great. 149 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: We'll be right back on normally our second topic today. 150 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: It's a little inside baseball, but I think it's actually 151 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: pretty important. The Florida Board of Governors voted down the 152 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 2: University of Florida president pick Santa Ono. Now, this guy 153 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: Ono came from Michigan, and the University of Florida Board 154 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: of Trustees was very dazzled by his prestige. But he 155 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 2: was a really typical left leaning administrator, and he kind 156 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: of tried to walk it back in the last few months, 157 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: but it was a little too late for that. And 158 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 2: I love that the Board of Governors did its thing 159 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 2: and said no, not here some stories about him. He 160 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: wanted to introduce d Dei to point oh at Michigan, 161 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: he does land acknowledgements, and he failed to protect Jewish 162 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: students on campus after October seventh. Beyond just failing to 163 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: protect Jewish students, he kept stressing that free speech was 164 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: very important to him. But then when our friend Josh 165 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 2: Hammer spoke there, he was shouted down by protesters. Santa 166 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 2: Onno did nothing until the protesters came to his house 167 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: one night, and then he suddenly took action about where 168 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: the protesters can protest. 169 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: Well, that was about his personal Well, that's different. 170 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 2: That matters. 171 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: You know, administrators are often much better at putting out 172 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: statements about how they personally think free speech is important, 173 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: so they have to actually do something exactly to protect 174 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: unpopular speech on campus. To me, this is this just 175 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: looked like taking an l for no reason. If you're 176 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: going to hire this guy, it is Florida. There is 177 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: a vibe shift. You do not need to hire a 178 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: man coming from ann Arbor exactly in the University of 179 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: Michigan for any sort of prestige or anything, because all 180 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: these Southern schools are attracting the best students in the 181 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: nation now thanks to their you know, free COVID policies 182 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: back in the day, and not punishing students in the 183 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: terrible ways that Northeastern and mid Atlantic schools did. And 184 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: so what are you gaining exactly when you could be 185 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: losing a ton? 186 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I can tell you that University of Florida 187 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 2: has had a leap in applications in twenty twenty. They 188 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: had thirty eight thousand applications this year. Last year the 189 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 2: number was sixty five thousand. Numbers are not in for 190 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 2: this year yet, I think, But I can tell you 191 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 2: that in my South a world, they called it the 192 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 2: UF bloodbath this year, Like kids got into Stamford and 193 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: Harvard but not into UF. And it's a new day. 194 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. The vibe shift is here. Why should 195 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 2: UF care about the prestige of University of Michigan. It 196 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: just it made no sense, and it was really a 197 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: line in the sand. I think it was one of 198 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 2: the first times that you could see, and you know, 199 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 2: all the headlines call this a historic stop to this 200 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 2: to this kind of thing, but it was the first 201 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: time you could see people taking action to say, no, 202 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: we're not just going to sign this guy in because 203 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: that's what we've always done. We're going to take a 204 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: stand and say. 205 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: No, Well, this is exactly not an se school necessarily, 206 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: but a college is exactly the kind of place, and 207 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: a board of governors is exactly the kind of place 208 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: that is very susceptible to being seduced soil like, oh, 209 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: I'm a guy from an important school and I have 210 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: an important Like times are different now, Yeah, you don't 211 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: have to play that game anymore, certainly not these schools. 212 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: And far be it from me to speak up the 213 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: University of Florida as a bulldog, but I will lay 214 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: aside these regional differences in support of it, in support 215 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: of the larger the larger picture, and I think they 216 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: I think they made the right call here. I mean, 217 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: going from Ben Sas to exact Santa oh No from 218 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: University of Michigan would have seemed like an l and. 219 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: It's it showed that it could be done. So I 220 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: think what will happen is in other schools, this kind 221 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 2: of thing will happen and they will be able to 222 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: look at the University of Florida and say their board 223 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 2: of governors was able to stop this wokeness encroachment, and 224 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: so can we. 225 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: And by the way, this reminds me of Saas's immediate 226 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: October seventh statement and the I believe it was the 227 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: Sabbath meal that they hosted inside the Giant Marina after 228 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: October seventh. That's what you're looking for when it comes 229 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: to supporting your supporting your students, not this tepid nonsense 230 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: or total derelicts and of duty that you see at 231 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: other schools. 232 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: Right, and then the thing was like, oh, University of 233 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: Michigan only had an encampment for like a month, like 234 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: University of ngrats not have one at all. They did 235 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 2: not have one, and they had the biggest stater a 236 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 2: in the country in the April following. 237 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: The that's sort of voice. 238 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: It was just watching from You know, my kids aren't 239 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 2: college age yet, but everybody's kids around us started talking 240 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 2: about University of Florida as the choice because it was 241 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: such a stained place to be and it just looked 242 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: so normal. And while the other schools were setting themselves 243 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: on fire to try to protect you know, vandals and 244 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 2: people who are harassing their Jewish students, University of Florida 245 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: just wasn't having that. So Yep, good on the board 246 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 2: of governors. Love to see it. 247 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: Hope it spreads. Yeah, I think I think it will spread, 248 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: as we have seen the Florida model spreading to the 249 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: rest of the country is what you really want to 250 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: see instead of what we had in the past, which 251 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: is the California models separading like the East. 252 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and come right 253 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: back with normally. 254 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 1: Speaking of failed models, can we talk a little about 255 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: Carine Jean Pierre. Now she's in the news today, she 256 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: should have been in the news for the past two weeks. 257 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:20,079 Speaker 1: But interestingly, the former Cliet White House Press secretary has 258 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: become an unbookable guest. Right No Sunday Show seems to 259 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: have her number, Yeah to get her on the air 260 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: during the Biden's dementia scandal news cycle. But now she's 261 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: in the news because she's got a new. 262 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 5: Book, Carol Yeah, and that book is called are you Ready? 263 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 5: I love this so much, Independent colon a look inside 264 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 5: a broken White House outside the party lines. 265 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: I have trouble communicating about this one without cussing. This 266 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: is the goal, absolutely insane. 267 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: The audacity. 268 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: Let's hear a little bit of her audacity at the 269 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: risk of giving her press she doesn't deserve. I think 270 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: you do need to get your mind. You're aft around 271 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: like what a person like her is willing to do 272 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: to turn a career post White House, post that disastrous 273 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: White House that she covered up for. Here's here's a 274 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: little bit of her pitch about this book. 275 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 6: Hi, I'm Karine Jean Pierre, and I am the author 276 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 6: of a new book that's coming out this fall called Independent. 277 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 6: It's coming out on October twenty first, so please please 278 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 6: do grab it. And the reason I wrote this book 279 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 6: coming out of the White House. You know, serving as 280 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 6: White House pre secretary was an honor and a privilege. 281 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 6: But since I have left, the people that come up 282 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 6: to me, strangers that come up to me just across 283 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 6: the country, as I'm traveling, and sometimes right in my neighborhood, 284 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 6: at a grocery store, supermarket, airport, my daughter's school. The 285 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 6: number one question. 286 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 7: They ask me is Korean. How do we get out 287 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 7: of this? How do we protect our democracy? How do 288 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 7: we protect vulnerable communities among us? What do we do next? 289 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 7: Because we don't have answers here? That's what they ask me. 290 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 7: And this is my answer. And what I mean by 291 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 7: that is in an era of misinformation, disinformation, the regressiveness 292 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 7: of social policy, what we're seeing currently right now, what 293 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 7: I have decided to do, and I really have thought 294 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 7: long and hard about this, is to follow my own compass. 295 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: And that's what I've done. And that's what this book does. 296 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: And here's the truth, and here's how I will. 297 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: Lay it out to you. 298 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 7: I think we need to stop thinking in boxes and 299 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 7: think outside of our boxes and not be so partisan. 300 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: Outside our outside our boxes. Okay, a couple of things. 301 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: I don't know what she is thinking with this. 302 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: Independent is such a ludicrous title. She said she's leaving 303 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, but that's part of this. Uh, your 304 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: job description is to be the opposite of independent. If 305 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: you are the White House President Secretary she happens to 306 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: be the worst one since I've been alive, and this 307 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: is an indication of why. And she's just she's using 308 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: this sort of bland news speak yes to pivot to 309 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: this nonsense position in which she tells all of us, 310 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: not White House press secretaries, who covered up for an 311 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: old man president who couldn't do the job, we need 312 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: to be. 313 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: Less partisan better, we need to be disappointed. 314 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: I love it when I says, he here's the truth, now, girl, 315 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: you can't use that line. 316 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: I like when she says misinformation and disinformation like, oh 317 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: it was coming from. 318 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: It is stunning, And I'll tell you what she's thinking. 319 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: Politico has actually done some reporting on this the Ungettable Guest, 320 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: which they haven't been able to book for anything else where. 321 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: They have found that what she is, what she was 322 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: aiming for post White House was a spot on the view. 323 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: But she didn't get it. So I say, did somebody 324 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: else get it? I don't think so. So I know I 325 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: think I was she gonna muscle one of them out, 326 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: and I don't know what was the plan there. There's 327 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: a political story that talks about Gilda Squires, a New 328 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: York based publicist who worked with her while she was 329 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: in the White House, got her the Vogue spread, got 330 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: her the Women's Health thing, traveled with her in New 331 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: York to appear on the View. According to former officials, 332 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: Jean Pierre had been hoping for a post White House 333 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: job as a co host on the show, following the 334 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: template of her predecessor, Jinsaki, who departed the job after 335 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: just more after just more than a year for an 336 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: anchor job at MSNBC. But no such opportunity materialized for 337 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: Jean Pierre. A factorss three of her former colleagues surmise 338 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:42,959 Speaker 1: that likely led to the book. A little side story 339 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: on this is that Gilda Squire, this pr person, A 340 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: lot of people in the White House apparently were annoyed 341 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,840 Speaker 1: that KJP was using this woman to like boost herself 342 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: at the expense of other people in the White House. 343 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: And Alex Thompson asked them at the time, I've heard 344 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: that you have guild a squire roped in on official 345 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: White House stuff. You're publicist who is not vetted for anything. 346 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: And he asked gild A Squire and could you pee 347 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: about it? And they said, no, no, no, that's not real. No, 348 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: of course not today Alex Thompson burnt guild Esquire as 349 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: a source and published her off the record emails denying 350 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: this last saying, if you don't tell the truth, you're 351 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: no longer off the record. And I wish they would 352 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: do that for more people. 353 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 2: Oh that's really interesting. 354 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: I miss that burn everyone. 355 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I you don't get to stay anonymous. It's 356 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 2: amazing because I can't see her in any kind of 357 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 2: neusual jen Zaki. I am not a fan, but she 358 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 2: was effective and you could see why she would be 359 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 2: good on television. Queen Jean Pierre ineffective, and I cannot 360 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 2: see her getting a point across. I didn't understand what 361 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: the point of her book was in that explanation. 362 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: So no, it's actually it's all the downsides of like 363 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: I feel old gas lit, and yet there was nothing 364 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: there that she's fighting for. Right, She's not even gaslighting 365 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: me for a purpose anymore. Yeah, what do you mean? 366 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: Broken white House? 367 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: Who broke? 368 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: Who it? Right? 369 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: Who? You never mentioned anything was broken before? 370 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? My take was like if I were to write, 371 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: like Free Spirit, the story of a broken laundry system 372 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 1: in my home, and how I had nothing to do 373 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: with it, Right, It's just like, this was your responsibility, 374 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: you were part of this. 375 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I was waiting for the Insider books to 376 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: come out because it would be like, this is who 377 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: was really running the White House, and this is what 378 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: the inside review was. But this is so mealy mouthed. 379 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 2: Who broke the White House? What was broken inside of it? 380 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: I can't quite envision what she's going to say, and 381 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 2: it just sounded so neither here nor there. 382 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 383 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: I assume that it's going to be an argument that 384 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: they should have been further to the left. I also 385 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: like the construction is very passive, like inside a broken 386 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: right right, your point, who broke it? Yeah, It's like 387 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: me looking at all the laundry in my house and 388 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: being like free spirit inside the story of a broken 389 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: laundry system with which I had nothing to do. It's like, 390 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 1: this is part of your job, man. But she's just 391 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: dispensing with responsibility for any of this, even though she 392 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: was these main spokesperson for the biggest presidential scandal of 393 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: my lifetime. Yeah, and she's just going to be like 394 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: anyway onto being a fiery progressive independent. 395 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe she ends up at some sort of 396 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 2: news program. I just again, I have a hard time 397 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: visualizing it. 398 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: I think she's going to be a casualty of the 399 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: Biden scandals. I think they're done with him, and by extension, 400 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: they're going to be done with her and her self. Promotion. Yeah, 401 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: I don't think this will be juicy enough to be 402 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: a huge seller. I do look forward to the fact 403 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: that suddenly she will be a bookable guest and maybe 404 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: someone could ask her a question about the Giant scandal. 405 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 2: I have such a hard time picturing anybody asking her question, yeah, 406 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,719 Speaker 2: about the Giant scandal, other than Pete Goosey. I mean, 407 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: she can go on Fox. 408 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: The nice thing is that no matter how gentle the questions, 409 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: she will screw it up right. Whatever the answer is, 410 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: she might accidentally tell you the whole answer. I r'ight 411 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: be like, well, let me look at my binder, and 412 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: the binder will just be like, yes, he was basically 413 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: comatose for four years and here are the ways. Oh wrong, page, 414 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: I shouldn't have read that. Well, I'm looking forward to 415 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: that news cycle. 416 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us on normally. 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