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Speaker 1: Welcome to Daily Variety, your daily dose of news and

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Speaker 1: analysis for entertainment industry insiders. It's Thursday, March nineteenth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six. I'm your host, Cynthia Lyttleton. I am co

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Speaker 1: editor in chief of Varriety alongside Remins Setuda. I'm in

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Speaker 1: LA He's in New York, and Vridy has reporters around

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Speaker 1: the world covering the business of entertainment. In today's episode,

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Speaker 1: in our cover story segment, we'll hear from Ethan Schanfeld

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Speaker 1: on his assignment to profile Miley Cyrus as she reclaims

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Speaker 1: the legacy of Hannah Montana. Hard to believe, but yes,

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Speaker 1: it's been twenty years since that show exploded like a

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Speaker 1: fluorescent colored supernova. Shanfeld's cover story is a real banger's

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Speaker 1: forgive me, and he brings the perfect gen Z perspective

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Speaker 1: to what it all meant back then and what Hannah

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Speaker 1: Montana means today. But before we get to that, here

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Speaker 1: are a few headlines just in this morning that you

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Speaker 1: need to know. HBO has renewed Neighbours for season two.

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Speaker 1: The quirky late night show from eight twenty travels the

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Speaker 1: country to dive into real life disputes between neighbors. Manatt, Phelps,

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Speaker 1: and Phillips has made a big bet on the creator economy.

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Speaker 1: The law firm has recruited Ellie Heisler and three other

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Speaker 1: lawyers from rival Nixon Peabody to beef up Manatt's activity

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Speaker 1: in the creator economy. Heisler's group represents such fast rising

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Speaker 1: stars as Quinn Blackwell and Mattie Matheson. Blackwell was just

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Speaker 1: named one of Variety's ten Creators to Watch earlier this month.

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Speaker 1: And speaking of creators, showrunner Kenya Barris has teamed with

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Speaker 1: Revolt TV and their offscript worldwide parent company to launch

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Speaker 1: Revolt Labs. The goal is for bars to help promising

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Speaker 1: young creators hone their ideas and channel their talents. All

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Speaker 1: of these stories and so much more can be found

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Speaker 1: on Variety dot com right now, and now it's time

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Speaker 1: for conversations with Friday Tis journalists about news and trends

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Speaker 1: and show business. Ethan Shanfeld details his time with Miley

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Speaker 1: Cyrus and as a first wave Hannah Montana fan, he

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Speaker 1: was very happy to learn that Miley Cyrus is in

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Speaker 1: a pretty good place in all of her worlds. But

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Speaker 1: before we hear from Shanfeld. Let's hear from Cyrus in

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Speaker 1: her own words from Variety's cover story video, and that

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Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine there being any other destiny for me.

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Speaker 2: It felt like a perfect fit of fate, exactly what

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Speaker 2: And I couldn't imagine anyone else ever being Hannah. I

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Speaker 1: That's that's me.

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Speaker 2: That's an extension of myself, And like anybody else that

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Speaker 2: has a fantasy, we all have our own Hannah. Hannah

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Speaker 2: is what you brave and what you do in a

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Speaker 2: youngest drag queen. She's like, what do I want to do?

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Speaker 2: But I need this other character to almost be armor.

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Speaker 2: But I want the armor to be beautiful.

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Speaker 3: What is that?

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Speaker 2: And so that beauty could be whatever you want it

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Speaker 2: It can be something that you kind of subconsciously switch

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Speaker 1: Ethan Schanfeld, thank you so much for joining me. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me, Cynthia, Ethan. Your latest ambitious endeavor for

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Speaker 1: Variety was a cover story on one Miley Cyrus, as

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Speaker 1: she as, it's hard to believe for those of us

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Speaker 1: who were there, but the twentieth anniversary of Hannah Montana

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Speaker 1: she's doing a special with Disney Plus. So let me

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Speaker 1: start by asking you, Ethan, how did you find Miley Cyrus,

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Speaker 1: the actor and singer and all around multi hyphenate. How

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Speaker 3: She was lovely? I mean she I have this in

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Speaker 3: the story, but she really is one of those stars

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Speaker 3: that has a very personal impact on me, just because

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Speaker 3: I grew up watching Hannah Montana, and I have photos

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Speaker 1: How does it feel to you to now be witnessing

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Speaker 3: my Variety colleague was there as well, and he said,

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Speaker 1: The thing that really leapt out to me as I

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Speaker 3: Definitely. I Mean one of the big things we talked

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Speaker 3: But her point of saying that was like, she really

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Speaker 1: What did you find, Ethan in terms of her areas

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Speaker 1: If you can say that at thirty three, you're not

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Speaker 3: It wasn't intimidating at all. She had a very warm presence,

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Speaker 3: and in preparation for this interview, I had watched a

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Speaker 3: Something I respect a lot about Miley is that she's

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Speaker 3: always embraced the messiness of growing up in the public eye,

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Speaker 3: and you know, she had quite a lot of scandals

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Speaker 1: you do such great interviews. It is hard to interview

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Speaker 1: famous people in the sense it's hard to penetrate and

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Speaker 1: it's also hard to get things that people haven't read

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Speaker 1: a hundred times about the people. What do you find

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Speaker 1: are the keys to interviewing really big stars.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think one of the things that applies to

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Speaker 3: no matter who you're interviewing is you have to listen

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Speaker 3: to them and not be afraid of the silences. And

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Speaker 3: so a lot of the best quotes that you'll get

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Speaker 3: from any interview are after they've already answered your question

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Speaker 3: and then you just look at them and say like

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Speaker 3: really or something like that, because I think people do

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Speaker 3: they will open up if you let them talk. And

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Speaker 3: I also think that with some of these stars they're

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Speaker 3: asked the same questions all the time. And so with Miley,

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Speaker 3: we started the first ten or fifteen minutes of the

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Speaker 3: interview just talking about the photoshoot that she had just

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Speaker 3: come from, and like whether she enjoys doing photoshoots and

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Speaker 3: you know, is that experience uncomfortable? Just you know, And

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Speaker 3: we talked about like how she loves changing outfits and

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Speaker 3: how that's one of the fun things about the job,

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Speaker 3: and that led to a whole other area of the

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Speaker 3: interview that I ended up using for the piece. So

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Speaker 3: just try to be natural, I guess.

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Speaker 1: Good advice, Ethan, Thank you as ever, really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Cynthia.

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Speaker 1: As we close out today's episode, here's a few things

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Speaker 1: we're watching for Mark by Sophia opens on Friday. The

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Speaker 1: eight twenty four documentary revolves around fashion designer Mark Jacobs

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Speaker 1: and it is directed by his close friend Sophia Coppola.

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Speaker 1: Jury Duty Company Retreat begins Friday on Amazon Prime Video.

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Speaker 1: There's a new setting, but it's the same concept. A

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Speaker 1: docudrama where only one person, isn't it on the joke.

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see if it has the same

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Speaker 1: pizazz as the original series. That was set during an

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Speaker 1: actual jury duty process. Do not miss my colleague Kate

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Speaker 1: Arthur's deeply reported story on what went wrong with the

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Speaker 1: Buffy the Vampire Slayer reboot that has now fallen apart

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Speaker 1: at Hulu. There's lots of finger pointing going on. Kate

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