WEBVTT - Time Capsule: Dune: Part Two

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to a bite sized episode of x ray Vision

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<v Speaker 1>of the podcast, where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics,

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<v Speaker 1>and pop culture. Today, we're hopping into the time capsule

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<v Speaker 1>to revisit one of the biggest hits of twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>June Part two. Here's a quick recap of Dune Part two,

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<v Speaker 1>which blew me back in my seat when I watched

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<v Speaker 1>it in the theater, not even the Imax version. This

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<v Speaker 1>picks up on the events of Dune Part one pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much right minutes after the end of Dune Part one,

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<v Speaker 1>Paul and his mother, the Lady Jessica, traveled to switch

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<v Speaker 1>Tabor with Stilgar. The Fremen slowly grow to accept Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>His relationship with Channi is deepening, as are the rumors

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<v Speaker 1>that he is the Lisa al Gabe, the Fremen Messiah

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<v Speaker 1>come from the outer world. Paul proves himself as an

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<v Speaker 1>able warrior. He takes part in frem And raids, bringing

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<v Speaker 1>Harcne and Spice operations to a standstill. And guess what

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<v Speaker 1>that makes the Baron mad. He didn't like that because

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<v Speaker 1>the whole reason that he connived with the Emperor to

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<v Speaker 1>kill off the a Tredees and get Dune back. Is

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<v Speaker 1>because he wants that. He wants that spice money.

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<v Speaker 2>He needs that spice baby. He wants to be in

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<v Speaker 2>charge of needs that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got a flow. So he fires his nephew, the

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<v Speaker 1>beast Rebond, who had been managing spice productions. Nephew, he

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<v Speaker 1>was incompetent. Okay, he installs his absolutely terrifying but very

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<v Speaker 1>competent nephew, the I mean the serial killer Fade. Ralpha

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<v Speaker 1>and the Benajeseritz. They love this because fate is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like their genetic backup plan to Paula trades back

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<v Speaker 1>on Dune. Jessica drinks the water of life aka worm piss,

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<v Speaker 1>and she survives her unborn child that Leah becomes a

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<v Speaker 1>fully sentient human being inside of her womb. Jessica then

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<v Speaker 1>replaces one of the Fremens dying reverend mother becomes their

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<v Speaker 1>reverend mother. Now paul is now a full fledged Fremen.

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<v Speaker 1>He also drinks worm piss, becoming the only man in

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<v Speaker 1>history to survive this ordeal. And after that, the Fremen

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<v Speaker 1>are like, yeah, one hundred percent, you are the Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll give you you are him. That's the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes it's you, no question ten out of ten no questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul is reunited with his old friend Gurney Halleck, who

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<v Speaker 1>survived the Hardcone and Mascre and has been working as

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<v Speaker 1>a smuggler and also busking on the side. Paul gets

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<v Speaker 1>his family atomic bombs back now and then with the

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<v Speaker 1>Fremen lure the Emperor to Aracus. It's a trap. The

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<v Speaker 1>Fremn wipe out the Sartokar. They take the Emperor hostage,

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<v Speaker 1>also Princess Irlam Baron Fade, other notables taken hostage, and

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<v Speaker 1>Paul makes his big offer. Hey, resign as emperor. I

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<v Speaker 1>will marry your daughter and then I will rule the galaxy.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you say no, I destroy all spice production

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<v Speaker 1>on Aracus, which would cause, you know, the mother of

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<v Speaker 1>all supply chain problems and bring the galactic economy to

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<v Speaker 1>its knees, not to mention all the millions, if not billions,

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<v Speaker 1>of spice addicts across the galaxy who would just like

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<v Speaker 1>drop dead painfully at times withdrawal. It would be bad.

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<v Speaker 1>The Emperor is like, I'll think about it, but you

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<v Speaker 1>got to fight my guy Fade, and Paul is like, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of trash talking, but Paul of course wins, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a wonderful like mirror image of his duel with

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<v Speaker 1>Gurney from June one. Deal is on. Unfortunately the houses

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<v Speaker 1>of the lands Rad, who have just arrived in orbit

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<v Speaker 1>above Dune or like, we don't agree, and so Paul

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<v Speaker 1>is like, guess what. I didn't want to do the jihad,

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<v Speaker 1>but now we're doing it. Let's ride, Let's go up

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<v Speaker 1>there and let's kill everybody. And and they go up

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<v Speaker 1>to take out the forces of the lands Rad. Meanwhile

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<v Speaker 1>Channie goes off into the desert to think about everything

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<v Speaker 1>that's just happened. Your reactions, Yeah, so I mean too.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched You in two in the front of the

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<v Speaker 2>IMAX because I got to the screening too late, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I was that was your neck?

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<v Speaker 2>It was well, you know what it was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>I I kind of tried to lay back as much

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<v Speaker 2>as I could on the recliner and then I just

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<v Speaker 2>felt like I was in the movie. Like I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>an article for Igan about it because it was just

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<v Speaker 2>so outrageous, Like when the sand whims, it was like

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<v Speaker 2>Shihalud was coming to eat me, and I was like, ah,

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<v Speaker 2>the Grandfather wha like. It was extremely viby, the sound

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<v Speaker 2>was great. I was a huge fan of the first

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<v Speaker 2>Dune movie. I was lucky enough to see it at

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<v Speaker 2>the Imax headquarters where they edit all the Imax movies

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and I just thought it was so good.

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<v Speaker 2>It had this kind of slowburn British four part miniseries

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<v Speaker 2>like on a Sunday afternoon drama vibe, so I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>fully surprised when most people I told to watch it

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<v Speaker 2>were like, this is boring. So I've been incredibly happy

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<v Speaker 2>to see how much people love this movie, because it

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<v Speaker 2>is like a wild feat of filmmaking and it is

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<v Speaker 2>very beautiful. And I love Charnie and I love the

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<v Speaker 2>way that they changed her character in this. She gets

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<v Speaker 2>to have way more agency in the book. She in

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<v Speaker 2>the book, she's more of just like his supplicant lover, like,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what happens, she stands by him, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and the prince, you know, and obviously and he's and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, oh, you got to marry this woman for

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<v Speaker 2>some other reason. Cool, Like, I don't mind whatever. So

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen some really interesting kind of theories in the

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<v Speaker 2>Dune Pod discord and online about the idea that Channie

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<v Speaker 2>maybe is gonna become like a resistance leader against Paul

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<v Speaker 2>and the war, which I think would be so interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are a lot of changes actually from the book.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean even the Alia stuff in the book. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>she's already born at this point. And but I think

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<v Speaker 2>the way they did it was really interesting and works

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<v Speaker 2>for the movie. And there's only so much suspension of

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<v Speaker 2>this belief you can do, and the Aalia character from

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<v Speaker 2>the book would have really pushed that for people. I think.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thought, yeah, I thought it was great.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that would be Yeah. I loved it. I

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<v Speaker 1>was blown away. I felt we're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>is Paul the bad guy in a second. But you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that the theory that Channie is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a resistance leader potentially against Paul. I think the conversation

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<v Speaker 1>around Paul being the bad guy is fascinating because I

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<v Speaker 1>think what very clearly the Dune books want to do

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<v Speaker 1>is show how a charismatic leader can rise to power

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<v Speaker 1>and how it's not good m h. Because what happens

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<v Speaker 1>after the first Dune book into Dune Messiah and elsewhere

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<v Speaker 1>is basically Paul just falls on his face again and

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<v Speaker 1>again and again, and a kind of splinter frem and

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<v Speaker 1>cell of fighters who are like, God, is is this right?

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<v Speaker 1>Like is Paul the best thing for the galaxy and

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<v Speaker 1>for us? Like that happens, and it would be very

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating if Chohanny was the spearhead of that. I will

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<v Speaker 1>say that. Listen, when I first read the Dune, the

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<v Speaker 1>first Dune book, as a kid, I was like, holy cow,

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<v Speaker 1>Paul is amazing, like a classic hero in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the classic kind of fantasy, Like yeah, and it's only

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as you get older it but surely you realize, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's actually like quite a lot of sign posting that

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<v Speaker 1>what Paul is doing is not right. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>they even make it more explicit in the movie with

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<v Speaker 1>the mentions of the billions of dead and how he

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<v Speaker 1>himself is like I don't if I go out there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to start a war and it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>very very bad. But he's swept along.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I think that. Yeah. Frank Herber actually said,

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<v Speaker 2>like in Dune Messiah, he tried to make it like

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<v Speaker 2>really obvious because he was like upset that people didn't

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<v Speaker 2>realize Paul was a bad guy and kind of this

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<v Speaker 2>false prophet. So DENI was like, I'm gonna make it

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<v Speaker 2>really obvious, Like, if you don't know that Paul is

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<v Speaker 2>a bad guy by the end of this movie, you're

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you mentioned that. So you know, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Kerber quote that gets thrown around around a lot

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<v Speaker 1>from my interview in sixty nine, which I think is

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<v Speaker 1>the year that Dune Messiah the second book came out,

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<v Speaker 1>and he basically says, the difference between a hero and

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<v Speaker 1>an anti hero is where you stop the story, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the first version of live long enough to see yourself

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<v Speaker 1>become the villain exactly. I think that while I understand

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<v Speaker 1>Frank's annoyance and confusion that people were like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's the hero, at the same time, I also kind

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<v Speaker 1>of feel like, well, of course they were confused, because,

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<v Speaker 1>like Frank very intentionally imbued Paul with all of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that we associate with a classic, iconic, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>grand adventure style hero. His father is killed by evil forces.

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<v Speaker 1>The forces arrayed against him are unquestionably immoral and darkly,

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<v Speaker 1>darkly darkly evil. He survives death and comes back to life,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, which is a thing that we associate with

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<v Speaker 1>these kind of like grand messianic heroes. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>prophecy about him and all that stuff. But wonderfully and again,

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<v Speaker 1>as you mentioned, and as we've been talking about, like

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that is like so overt in the movie is, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a it's essentially like Bena Jeserit propaganda and planting

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<v Speaker 1>in this society to keep power, to make these people

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<v Speaker 1>more controllable.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Jason, let's take a quick break, but don't go

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere day, Let's not more. Right after this, your boss

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<v Speaker 2>come back.

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<v Speaker 1>And that leads us to a new segment, which is

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<v Speaker 1>loop We're calling Loop me in, which is basically like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a there's always these kind of like isolated, siloed

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<v Speaker 1>conversations going around at different different corners of the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they bubble into the mainstream and it can be

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<v Speaker 1>trying sometimes to try and figure out like what is

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<v Speaker 1>this about? Okay, So there was a conversation that bubbled

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<v Speaker 1>up and that has been a boiling for as long

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<v Speaker 1>as Dune has been out there, and consciousness, which is, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>is Dune a white savior story? Let's dive into that.

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<v Speaker 1>The conversation around whether Dune is a white savior story.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, the truth is yeah, And this kind of goes

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<v Speaker 2>back to kind of what you were saying that there

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<v Speaker 2>can be as much well intentioned like slow Burn political

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<v Speaker 2>meaning as Frank Herbert wants there to be. But once

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<v Speaker 2>you write a book or you put a film out

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<v Speaker 2>into the world, it is for the people to read

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<v Speaker 2>into it, right, And I don't I do not misunderstand

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<v Speaker 2>or think that there's anything wrong with people who have

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<v Speaker 2>read this and think, oh, it's a white savior story,

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<v Speaker 2>or oh, they've watched the movie, because as you said,

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<v Speaker 2>it follows the hero's journey. It does a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>white savior stuff. He's a white guys, it's dancing with wolves.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the best version. He's the lassan al Gayebe. He's

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<v Speaker 2>the one who can do it better than all the fremen.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is the setup for a white savior story. But

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<v Speaker 2>in the case of June, it is actually more complex

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<v Speaker 2>because all of that is to actually critique that trope,

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<v Speaker 2>because it then becomes about what would actually really happen

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<v Speaker 2>if a white person went into this space and got

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<v Speaker 2>this power as a kind of false idol and then

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<v Speaker 2>took it across the world, and what would happen. They

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<v Speaker 2>would cause like a you know, a g had where

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<v Speaker 2>eighty six million people died. And I think that the

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<v Speaker 2>problem here is less about like a literacy around the

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<v Speaker 2>book or the film, and more about do people want

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<v Speaker 2>to wait three movies to get to the point of

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<v Speaker 2>the twist.

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<v Speaker 1>Or do they want to become fift thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Word books to get to the point of the trist.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say the one critique that I think is

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<v Speaker 2>very fair of the movies, and obviously the books have

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<v Speaker 2>always been critiqued but also celebrated. There's like it's a

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<v Speaker 2>very divided conversation about the Orientalism and the books and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. But I will say the films didn't

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<v Speaker 2>do a great job of casting like Middle Eastern people

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<v Speaker 2>at in the Fremen culture, which is obviously what it

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<v Speaker 2>is inspired by. So I do think that that adds

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<v Speaker 2>to that conversation. But generally, Paul is not a white savior,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's like that if you're really putting like it's

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<v Speaker 2>a pin on it, he isn't, because the whole point

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<v Speaker 2>is he's actually the villain. Spoilery la. If you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get it, he's already's.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, it's not a white savior story, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think to your point, it's complex. Here's here's Herbert on

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<v Speaker 1>something of his intent behind writing the story from that

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<v Speaker 1>same nineteen sixty nine interview, and he's basically talking about

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<v Speaker 1>envisioning Doune as a critique of Lawrence of Arabia of

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<v Speaker 1>ten Lawrence. He says, quote, weave western man, set out

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<v Speaker 1>our missionaries to do our dirty work for us, and

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<v Speaker 1>then come along behind them with a certain belief that

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<v Speaker 1>we're right in anything that we do because God has

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<v Speaker 1>told us so, God and the person of the Avatar. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>what he's saying is, yes, Paul is a quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>white savior, but he's there because of this long running

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<v Speaker 1>plot to place him in that position and manipulate the

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous people of this world. So it is, to your point,

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<v Speaker 1>a critique of the entire dynamic, and unsurprisingly it's one

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<v Speaker 1>that that eludes people because it is quite subtle, although

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<v Speaker 1>less less subtle in June too. I hope they make

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<v Speaker 1>a third movie and show and show Paul just tripping

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<v Speaker 1>over Rakes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, in two hours.

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<v Speaker 2>The book the movie has Dune two has made almost

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<v Speaker 2>six hundred million dollars, So I think Dune Messiah is coming. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, every episode we're gonna close the show with a

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<v Speaker 1>variety of fast moving segments. Today it's Who's Who, in

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<v Speaker 1>which we talk about some of our favorite weird characters

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<v Speaker 1>from a given universe. In this episode, we're doing our

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<v Speaker 1>favorite weirdo from Dune, Rosie. Who is your favorite Dune weirdo?

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<v Speaker 2>This is very hard because Dune has so many good widows,

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<v Speaker 2>but I am going there's so many you couldn't even

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<v Speaker 2>believe it. Like when you were just doing the recap

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<v Speaker 2>of the movie, I was like, we need to do

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<v Speaker 2>recaps of the books because it's so funny when you

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<v Speaker 2>just try and list out everything that happens. Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going for Alia book version and this is no shade

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<v Speaker 2>on two. I understand why they needed to do this,

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<v Speaker 2>but literally, she is a baby who is born with

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<v Speaker 2>the full consciousness of like a thousand generations of Bena

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<v Speaker 2>Jesuit who are witches. And when she's four years old,

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<v Speaker 2>she's like running around with the knife. She's the one

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<v Speaker 2>who kills the baron with the gomjabar. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most bonkers characters of all time, and

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<v Speaker 2>I love the four year old murder baby.

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<v Speaker 1>She then has a romance with a clone of Dunkan Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>It gets crazy, folks. My favorite Dune weirdo is Edrick

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<v Speaker 1>oh Spacing Guild, a navigator who is part of the

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<v Speaker 1>plot against Paul and listen, Dune is not a story

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<v Speaker 1>that has a lot of humor, but I find Edric,

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<v Speaker 1>who is getting dunked on mercilessly when you first meet

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<v Speaker 1>him in the book, is just getting absolutely pantsed as

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<v Speaker 1>he's trying to like lay out this plot against Paul.

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<v Speaker 1>I find it really funny. I find it hilarious. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's my favorite Edward. We didn't see a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of like the classic book style Spacing Guild navigators, but

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we will if we get a third book.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just need to say we picked those in

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<v Speaker 2>a world where they are There's a character who's literally

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<v Speaker 2>a giant human sand and there are witches with magical vaginas,

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<v Speaker 2>so we were really like, we really it's from the widows,

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<v Speaker 2>but Dune has a lot of widows.

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