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Speaker 1: Hike and everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth podcast. I choose you. Addition, as my

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Speaker 1: broadcast partner, Dave Lapham joins me for an in depth

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Speaker 1: look at all ten Bengals draft picks, plus a few

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Speaker 1: of the players they signed as undrafted free agents. Coming up,

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Speaker 1: we will tell you if the Steelers robbed the Bengals

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Speaker 1: of the player they really wanted in the first round

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Speaker 1: when they trade it up to the spot directly in

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Speaker 1: front of Cincinnati in order to select the linebacker Devin Bush.

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Speaker 1: We will also have interesting intel on second round pick

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Speaker 1: Drew Sample. Many draft gurus thought the Bengals could have

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Speaker 1: selected him later in the draft, So just how high

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Speaker 1: was he on the Bengals board. We'll have the answer.

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Speaker 1: After some juicy inside info on all of the picks,

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Speaker 1: we'll hear from one of them. Number one picked, Jonah Williams,

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Speaker 1: who joins me for a fun facts conversation where we

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Speaker 1: discuss everything from the length of his arms to the

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Speaker 1: bag of food he carried around in high school. All

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Speaker 1: of that is straight ahead, but first, here's a quick

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Speaker 1: reminder that you can have the latest edition of this

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Speaker 1: It's the greatest invention since wait for a jed, a

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Speaker 1: little inside joke there Brixell sports stadium models. So Brixels

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Speaker 1: are kind of like Legos and they sell very detailed

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Speaker 1: models of sports stadiums and arenas. My son recently put

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Speaker 1: together the Fenway Park model and it is incredible. It

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Speaker 1: has three thousand, two hundred six pieces, so it was

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Speaker 1: a labor of love. But the level of detail is

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Speaker 1: it's standing right down to the single red seat deep

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Speaker 1: in the right field stands where Ted Williams hit the

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Speaker 1: longest home run in Fenway Park history. There doesn't appear

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Speaker 1: to be a Paul Brown Stadium model yet, but when

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Speaker 1: it comes out, we are definitely buying. Now, let's get

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Speaker 1: to my draft discussion. With a sixty first overall pick

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Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventy four NFL Draft, the most successful

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Speaker 1: of the twenty two selections the Bengals made that year,

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Speaker 1: an offensive lineman out of Syracuse University, Dave Lapham lap

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Jonah Williams, the Bengals first round draft

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Speaker 1: pick selected number eleven overall, the offensive tackle out of Alabama.

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Speaker 1: The website Pro Football Focus had him as the fourth

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Speaker 1: best player in this draft. It is our belief that

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Speaker 1: the Bengals had him roughly at the same spot on

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Speaker 1: their overall board. I agree with you, Dan, and people

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Speaker 1: are wondering, you know, if Devin Bush had been there,

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Speaker 1: would they have gone with Jonah Williams. We believe yes,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not saying that Devin Bush isn't

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Speaker 1: a fantastic football player, but the Steelers weren't sure that

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Speaker 1: that's the way the Bengals were going to go, so they,

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Speaker 1: you know, expended a couple of draft picks and moved

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Speaker 1: up ahead of the Bengals to take Devin Bush. And

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Speaker 1: the Bengals went with Jonah Williams, and they were thrilled

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Speaker 1: that he was there. And I can't remember the last

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Speaker 1: draft where no offensive lineman, no running backs, no wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: no corners, no safeties. Five position groups did not get

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Speaker 1: when you have a need at the offensive line position

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Bengals probably may have said

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Speaker 1: through the party to make the pick checks all the boxes.

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Speaker 1: Played in the SEC. Dominated at left tackle his last

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Speaker 1: two years at Alabama. Really smart kid earned his degree

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Speaker 1: at Alabama in three years. This to me is just

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Speaker 1: a first round draft pick that I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he'll be in all pro. You'd him to be, but

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Speaker 1: I can't envision a scenario where he flops. I agree,

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Speaker 1: it's very instinctive. That's going to be a common denominator

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Speaker 1: with the line. People say, okay, instinctive lineman. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of times you're gonna try to

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Speaker 1: buy your film study see keys with twists and stunts

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Speaker 1: quicker on an instinctive basis because of preparation. And this

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Speaker 1: mean this this guy is legit. Yet he's the real deal.

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Speaker 1: He can play any one of the five positions in

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Speaker 1: The thing about him, Dan, his feet are unbelievable. And

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Speaker 1: we've said many times every athletic endeavor, including blocking, but

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Speaker 1: in football in line play linebackers starts with your feet

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Speaker 1: He is very, very good with his technique. He's been

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Speaker 1: football field big time. You mentioned it, but I just

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Speaker 1: want to follow up in more detail. The Steelers moved

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Speaker 1: So clearly their thought was the Bengals are either going

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Speaker 1: afford to wait. And the Bengals, in our opinion, almost

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Speaker 1: certainly would have taken Jonah Williams. I think so because

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Speaker 1: you know, Devin White, the number one linebacker was gone.

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Speaker 1: Although honestly I like Bush better than White, I really do.

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Speaker 1: I think the steel has got a hell of a player.

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Speaker 1: I would not have been upset if they took Devin Bush.

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Speaker 1: But I am you know, old stool, get an old

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Speaker 1: school get off my lawn. It's a big man's game.

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Speaker 1: You have the best big man on the offensive side

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Speaker 1: let me backtrack. The Bengals have taken one linebacker before

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Speaker 1: they just historically have not invested high draft capital in

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Speaker 1: that position, right, And you know the other linebacker that

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Speaker 1: And uh, there's no doubt in my mind that the

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Speaker 1: in that direction for sure. Onto the second round and

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Speaker 1: the pick that a lot of Bengals were scratching their

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Speaker 1: selected with a fifty second overall pick. The Bengals actually

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Speaker 1: fourth and an extra sixth in order to move back

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Speaker 1: ten spots. Everybody's saying, you could have gotten this guy later.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals actually would have taken him earlier. They had

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Speaker 1: on him. So the thing about him is the draft

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Speaker 1: wasn't thought about because his numbers weren't there in terms

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Speaker 1: of catches and yards. But the thing about it, the

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Speaker 1: scouts were saying, may have not had a drop or

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Speaker 1: maybe one, So that tells you a lot. When his

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Speaker 1: opportunity was there, he capitalized on every single one of them.

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Speaker 1: Jonah Williams smartest offensive lineman in the draft, Drew Sample,

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Speaker 1: smartest tight end in the draft. He's got a degree,

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Speaker 1: he's married, he's expecting a baby girl at the end

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Speaker 1: guy is a solid individual as well as extremely talented

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Speaker 1: football player. He is the best blocking tight end in

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Speaker 1: the draft, and I mean by a wide margin, six

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Speaker 1: four two undred fifty five pounds. Looks like he's about

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Speaker 1: that exact same thing at the tight end position. These

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Speaker 1: you can set the edge. You hear all the time

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Speaker 1: defensive coaches, look, gotta set the edge. We can't let

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Speaker 1: the edge a lot more readily with big, physical guys

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Speaker 1: interview that might have been better than Drew Sample's interview

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Speaker 1: a lot I mean, again, all the intangibles, checking all

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Speaker 1: Dan may not only be starters, they may be ten

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Speaker 1: two players that are gonna be a decade plus of

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Speaker 1: giving them consistent, excellent performances. And they care about the

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Speaker 1: game of football. There's no doubt about that. We did

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Speaker 1: needs and one of the top ones in our opinion

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Speaker 1: was the tight end position. Then when this pick was made,

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Speaker 1: I heard a lot of folks saying, Wow, the Bengals

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Speaker 1: need a wide receiver more than they need a tight end.

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Speaker 1: What really? CJ. Zama is a fine NFL player, but

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Speaker 1: probably is never going to go to a Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Eifford is a Pro Bowl player, but he hasn't

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Speaker 1: been able to stay healthy. There are other it ends

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Speaker 1: were all beat up last year. They lost Tyler Croft

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Speaker 1: a free agency. This was a huge area of need,

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Speaker 1: particularly from the blocking standpoint. Tyler Eifert unquestioned as a receiver.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's he makes defenses flinch every snap he took.

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Speaker 1: Last year, the defenses were in Nickel in sub packages,

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Speaker 1: no base defense, they can't match up with him. But

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Speaker 1: you know he does a good job blocking and running

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Speaker 1: CJ Zam another one that does a good job, but

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Speaker 1: you know he got hurt as well. In those roles.

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Speaker 1: Those guys aren't necessarily known. Oh my gosh, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: he'll he'll be physical and and mash him back, push

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Speaker 1: the pocket, and then he'll decide to take an edge

428
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: and do a swim move and they won't lay a

429
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: finger on him. So he's got movement, he's got athletic ability,

430
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: he's got those long arms. You know. Gino obviously a

431
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 1: short arms, but can bench press the war Old and

432
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,719
Speaker 1: Ryan Glasgow. A lot of these other guys Billings, they

433
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: don't have the long appendages, the long arms. This guy

434
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: gives you a different look inside. And I can tell

435
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 1: you as a former player inside man, when you when

436
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: you lock your arms out and they locked their arms out,

437
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: and it's pretty equal, you can block him. But when

438
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: you're both you know you got your arms locked out

439
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: and his arm't fully extended. Then he extends and he's

440
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: reaching the back of your shoulder pad with his hand

441
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that's a tougher dynamics. So I

442
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: can understand why they did what they did there. This

443
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: kid has got like the ceiling is the sky's the ceiling. Really,

444
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: it's unlimited. He's been compared to Chris Jones, who is

445
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:44,719
Speaker 1: a very very formidable, long, rangy, athletic inside defensive lineman

446
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 1: that causes havoc in there. If he's even close to

447
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: Chris Jones, it'll be a hallelujah. One of the reasons

448
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: why he might have lasted until the fourth round was

449
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 1: the way he was used at Arizona State. He kind

450
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 1: of played laterally out there to stop the run. He

451
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: wasn't looking to get quick penetration, and that might be

452
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: his best skill. You're right, I mean at Arizona State,

453
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: a couple of steps then stop, you know, don't blow

454
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: up the field, don't don't penetrate and disrupt. Plus you know,

455
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: when he was on the phone for the conference call

456
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: again in the theme of position versatility, Jonah Williams can

457
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 1: play in one of five spots. Drew Sample can give

458
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: you a multiple you know, tight end, h back, wing back,

459
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: all those sort of things. Pratt can play, Mike Sammer

460
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: will plus subpackage, linebacker, filling of course, is going to

461
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: play quarterback, wren nose guard. He played one technique inside

462
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: shoulder of the guard, three technique like Gino Atkins outside

463
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: shoulder of the guard. They even kicked him out to

464
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: defensive end in the All Star Games. So he's got

465
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Speaker 1: a position versatility. But I agree with you, not only

466
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Speaker 1: the position versatility, but the scheme, mentality and philosophy. Is it,

467
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,719
Speaker 1: you know, just a two gap and take guys on

468
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: and stop the run, or is it to penetrate, disrupt,

469
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 1: and cause havoc in the back. He's capable of doing both,

470
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: so he's got that type of versatility as well. I'm

471
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: just excited to see what they're gonna be able to

472
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Speaker 1: get out of him. I hope they get their full

473
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Speaker 1: potential out of him, because it's going to be big

474
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 1: if they do. Historically, the Bengals have not traded up

475
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: in the draft very often. They did it twice in

476
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: the fourth round this year. We mentioned the deal that

477
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: they made to get Ryan Finley with a second pick

478
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: in the fourth round. Later, they obtained a late third

479
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 1: round pick from the Cowboys in exchange for their fifth

480
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: round pick and one of those sixth round picks, and

481
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Speaker 1: they used it to get Ohio State interior offensive lineman

482
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. Another big band six five, three hundred and

483
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: ten pounds thirty two inch vertical, so he's got some explosiveness.

484
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: The Bengals had a third round grade on him and

485
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: they wound up getting him late in the fourth. Scott

486
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Ties. He was born in Fairfield. His family moved

487
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: to Michigan, so that's where he had played high school football,

488
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: but loved the Bengals as a kid. Wanted to play

489
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 1: for Ohio State and now he's coming to Cincinnati, and

490
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: I think this pick is one of my favorites for value.

491
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: I think he's Billy Price went to coach Turner and said,

492
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: draft him. I mean, you know, he's he's He's what

493
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: you're looking for. Another high character guy, another guy that

494
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: has positioned versatility, either guard or center. With his long arms,

495
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: you could kick him out to tackle if you needed

496
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: to to finish a game or to play a few

497
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: games if you've got, you know, serious injury concerns. But

498
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: when you think about it, I mean the competitive nature

499
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: of the offensive line. Just from the draft alone, Jonah

500
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: Williams and now Michael Jordan, I mean, the best five

501
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: are going to play. And they're both they both played

502
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: in big time football. Michael Jordan started as a true freshman,

503
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: one of like what three or four guys to do

504
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: it in the Ohio State history. I think it is

505
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: it's crazy. He's he's a very very I think he's

506
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: a guard. I thought at center he rolled a few

507
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: snaffs back. He may had some problems there, but the

508
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: fact is that they put him into center, you know,

509
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: and that that's a little tradition at Ohio State. Started

510
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: with elf Line. He gets drafted by the Vikings in

511
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: the third round. Billy Price goes in from guard to center.

512
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: Billy Price gets dropped in the first round by the Bengals,

513
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: and now Michael Jordan goes in to center and he

514
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: gets drout in the fourth round. So it's been that

515
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: little chain of commander as such, moving in from guard

516
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: to center, and they only do it with guys that

517
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: they trust can make all the calls, understand the fronts,

518
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: know what the protections are. So Michael Jordan's got a

519
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: lot going for them. Another smart football player with balls

520
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: important to him. Position versatility again common denominator. These teams

521
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: were woven through the entire draft process by the Bengals.

522
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: So the Bengals traded away their fifth round pick in

523
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: that deal, meaning their next pick came in the sixth round.

524
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: They still had three picks left in the sixth The

525
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: first one was number nine in the round. They got

526
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: that from the Broncoes back in that day one trade

527
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: involving their second round pick, the tight end from Washington.

528
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: So they used this one on a running back, another

529
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: position of need. After letting Mark Walton go in the

530
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: off season, they picked up trey ViOn Williams from Texas

531
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: A and M. Rushed for one seven hundred and sixty

532
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: yards last year, scored eighteen touchdown second team All American,

533
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: had five two hundred yard games in his college career.

534
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: Why was he still there in the sixth round because

535
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: he's five eight, right, he's five eight, but he's two

536
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: hundred and six pounds. He's a little load man. He's

537
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: put together. He's just a short put together. If he

538
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: were five two twenty, if he were six feet, he'd

539
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: be maybe two thirty. Again, let's go back to Jim Turner,

540
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: offensive line coach Texas A and M. He knows all

541
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: about Trevion Williams. He was in the huddle with him

542
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: every day at practice, on the football field with him.

543
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: He knows everything there is to know, any injury history,

544
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: anything about his character, anything. And again it's time to

545
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: talk about the ten college coaches that are the twenty

546
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: one coaches on this Bengal staff. It's unbelievable the amount

547
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: of intel they gave the organization leading up to the

548
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: draft and undraft Day. And it's the only year it's

549
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: going to happen, the only year they're gonna come out

550
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: of college and be coaching in the NFL. Jonah Williams,

551
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: Jim Turner saw him to Kapart Texas A and M.

552
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: He saw he saw it firsthand. I mean, he knows

553
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: what that's all about. Trey ViOn Williams. He didn't coach

554
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: against him. He coached. He didn't coach him his position group,

555
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: but he was on the same side of the football

556
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: in every huddle with him, every single practice. Knows all

557
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: there is to know about him. And then the next pick,

558
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: the Sean Davis to want to talk about Auburn sec

559
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: he gained planned against him. He knows what he was

560
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: like to try to handle as a linebacker. That's unbelievable intel,

561
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: you know, and not just him. They had coaches on

562
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: their staff Fro Mississippi State when you're evaluating edge rushers, Michigan,

563
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: when you're evaluating edge rushers, linebackers. That kind of thing

564
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: was unbelievable for the Cincinnati Bengals to have in this draft,

565
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: and I think the draft proves it because they came

566
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: out with the common theme all the way through. They

567
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: put their bat on the ball with the type of

568
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: guy they were looking for as a football player. First

569
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 1: and foremost and as a person next on every single occasion.

570
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: And I think trey ViOn Williams is going to be unbelievad.

571
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: It's going to be very are competitive. You know, Walton

572
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: makes a couple of mistakes three actually gets arrested three

573
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: times in three months. No longer a Bengal. There's a

574
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: roster spot there. Treyvion Williams is gonna fight like heck

575
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: to get an opportunity to prove that he belongs to

576
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: the National Football League. Prior to last season, the Bengals

577
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: lost Andre Smith, Chris Smith, and AJ McCarron his free agents.

578
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: The compensatory formula gave the Bengals three extra sixth round

579
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: draft picks. They kept two of them, thirty eighth and

580
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: thirty ninth in the sixth round. The first one was

581
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: used on a linebacker out of Auburn, Deshaun Davis. Five eleven,

582
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: two hundred thirty four pounds, runs a four seven forty.

583
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: He was a team captain. He's a physical run defender, instinctive,

584
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: hard hitting. One of the Bengal scouts said, he's like

585
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: a Steelers inside linebacker that you hate to play twice

586
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: a year. No question, He's got a chip on his

587
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: shoulder because he feels like he should have been drafted higher.

588
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: The Bengals had a higher great on him than two

589
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: hundred and ten in the draft. Flies around the football field.

590
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: When watched the little tape that the scouts presented about him,

591
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: He's one of those guys that, like you said, instinctive meaning,

592
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: sees it before it happens. His first step is always

593
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: in the right direction with no wasted motion. Guys like that.

594
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: You can't, you know, you can't put a value on Dan.

595
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: Not only could he get involved in the linebacker room

596
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: with snaps on the defensive side of it. Darren Simmons

597
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: is smiling. You know, he's got guys like de Sean Davis.

598
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: He's got he's got guys like Pratt Sample. These guys

599
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: are all going to be special teams possibilities for him.

600
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: It's all in the equation. Not only will they be

601
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: competing for starting jobs, and some of them probably will

602
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: have starting jobs. Of the of these groups, they draft

603
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: the potential starters, not just guys to make the roster,

604
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: you know, or to make the fifty three and then

605
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: maybe be active on game to him, not on the

606
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: de active list. These guys are gonna be worst case

607
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: scenario special team snap, sub package snaps, you know by

608
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: formations and personnel group, and it's going to have some

609
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: opportunity to play. And Deshaun Davis's right up to that allee.

610
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: The Bengals had the very next pick as well, number

611
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: two eleven overall, and I like this pick because when

612
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: you've got extra six rounders, you can use one to

613
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: take a flyer on a guy that maybe has an

614
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 1: injury history but a high upside, and this is the

615
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: guy that fits that description in this year's class. Oklahoma

616
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: running back Rodney Anderson big, fast, six feet tall, two

617
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: under twenty four pounds. The one healthy year he had

618
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma, he ran for eleven hundred yards, including two

619
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: o one in the Rose Bowl against a great Georgia defense.

620
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: The only knock on the guy is that he missed

621
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: basically two full seasons at Oklahoma due to injuries. And

622
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: that year you're talking about when he had the Great

623
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: Bowl Game, the final seven weeks of the season, he

624
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: led the FBS and yards from scrimmage. So again, position

625
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: versatility running back can put him in the slot as

626
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: a receiver. I mean, the Oklahoma coaches were so excited

627
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: about getting him informational mismatches, trying to get him isolated

628
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: in the slot with a safety or if they're in

629
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: base defense, walking lineback around on him, and it's like, you, kidd,

630
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like stealing candy from a baby. I mean,

631
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: they thought that he was going to be the guy

632
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: and then you know, then he gets hurt. Joe Mixon

633
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: gets opportunities. This guy is a high character guy. Even

634
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: when he was hurt, Teammates would say he was still

635
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: the leader of the football team. He was engaged, you know,

636
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: it was it wasn't about him instead of putting his

637
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: Dauber down, his chin on his chest and feeling sorry

638
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: for himself. He's still part of the team and doing

639
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: everything he can to contribute. You know, you just hope.

640
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean, he's kind of like the Tyler Eiffort story

641
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: in college football. Will the football gods give them thou

642
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: shalt have a year without injury? I mean, you got

643
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: to hope that both Rodney Emerson and Tyler Eiffort take

644
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: every snap this season they possibly can without being hurt.

645
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: The Bengals tenth and final pick in the seventh round,

646
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: cornerback Jordan Brown from the FCS level South Dakota State.

647
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: The measurables are fantastics. Six feet tall, ran a four

648
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: four eight forty had eight interceptions in his college career.

649
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: So he's fast, he was productive. He just played at

650
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: a smaller school level. True, and he played wide receiver

651
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: prior to playing in the secondaries. Who he understood routes,

652
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: He understood road concepts, he understood why where leverage was. Defensively,

653
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: it's always guys that you know transfer from like quarterback

654
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,800
Speaker 1: to receiver. Okay, well that works because they understand. In

655
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: a quarterback they can read cunt routes and I mean

656
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: read secondary coverages and get tips. Guys that go from

657
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: wide receiver to defensive back understand in a different level

658
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: because they ran the routes. They understand why routes are

659
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: run and why the progression is like it is. So

660
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: he's he's smart, and he's got good ball skills having

661
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: played the receiver position in interceptions. You know, show that

662
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: and he'll he'll come and compete. There's another guy that

663
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: gives you some great special team snaps. You know if

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Speaker 1: he makes the roster. So Darren Simmons, you know, is

665
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: gonna look at that and say, hey, even though he's

666
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: the seventh round pick, if he makes the team, he'll

667
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: have quite a few snaps. He could be on all

668
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: the coverage teams, could be all the return teams. That's

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Speaker 1: going to give you quite a few snaps, you know,

670
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: right there before you even start all right, last thing,

671
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: the Bengals are also going to sign eleven undrafted free agents.

672
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: We are not going to run down the entire list,

673
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: but since they didn't draft any wide receivers, let's talk

674
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: about three wide receivers that they are bringing in as

675
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: undrafted free agents. Charles Holland from Tiffin, Stanley Morgan from Nebraska.

676
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: Damian Willis also coming in. And of those three, Morgan

677
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: and Willis probably will have the best shot at making

678
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: this team, right because when you look at it, I mean,

679
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor played quarterback at Nebraska. Where did Stanley Morgan

680
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: go to school? Nebraska? Zach Taylor knows the Nebraska coaches

681
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: and the wide receiver coach I think might have been

682
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: named off defensive coordinator. At any rate, highly recommended. Stanley

683
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: Morgan six feet over a couple hundred pounds four five,

684
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: can play inside in the slot, can play outside, obviously

685
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 1: a very strong football player, and Damian Willis out of Troy.

686
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: He's sixty three, a little bit longer, turning four pounds

687
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: four fives though. So those are the two guys that

688
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: will probably get the opportunity to compete at the wide

689
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: receiver position. And another guy that's interesting, Jim Turner says

690
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: to one of his guys that was played for him

691
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: in Texas, Sam he Keaton Sutherland, Come on up, Come on,

692
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: my man, six five three twenty two runs a five

693
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: one can play tackler guard. Why don't you come up here.

694
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: Maybe you can make our practice squad worst case scenario,

695
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: and I'll develop you and see if you get picked

696
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: up by somebody else from the practice squad to go

697
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: to their roster. I'll reward you. You rewarded me for

698
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: all your efforts at Texas, A and M. Here you go,

699
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: come on to this training camp and come enjoy the

700
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: NFL with me, my man. I am especially intrigued by

701
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: Stanley Morgan, number one all time in receiving yards at Nebraska.

702
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: We know they've had some great ones, although they pretty

703
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: much only ran the ball for a long time there,

704
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: but had a catch in thirty eight consecutive games thirty

705
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 1: eight and a half inch vertical. He had hip surgery

706
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: in November of twenty seventeen, so that might be one

707
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: of the reasons why he wound up going undrafted. Yeah,

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00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: I agreed, Dan. And the other thing that intrigues me

709
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: a little bit. The only other guy they brought in

710
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: for a visit a quarterback Jake Dolgalla out of Central Connecticut,

711
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: six six and a half two hundred and forty pounder.

712
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: So that's a guy that you know, you gotta just

713
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: his physical presence, see what he can do, and maybe,

714
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: you know, practice squad guy or you know, develop him

715
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: a little bit. And the only two quarterbacks they brought

716
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: into to visit they liked enough and they showed enough

717
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: on the grease board and football acumen in IQ that

718
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: one they draft in the fourth round and traded up

719
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: to do so, and the other one they signed as

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Speaker 1: a free agent. All Right, that concludes this wrap up

721
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: of the twenty nineteen Bengals draft class. We get to

722
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: see him practice and a up of the weeks. That'll

723
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: be fun. Can't wait. Dan. It's like, you know, you're

724
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: a little kid. You get your Christmas presents and you're

725
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: and open them, unwrapped them and see if they work,

726
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: just like coaches, you know, Christmas presents, get all these

727
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: draft picks and free agents, then you get them out

728
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: in the field and see if they work. So it's

729
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: fun to watch the whole process, and I always enjoy it,

730
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, seeing free agency, the draft, college free agents,

731
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: and then put the team together and watch the whole process.

732
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: And it's very interesting. And it starts up here pretty quick.

733
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: My man. I'm looking forward to working with it, working

734
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: with you about it me too. The Bengals two day

735
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: Rookie Mini Camp is coming up in a little less

736
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: than two weeks Friday and Saturday, May tenth and eleventh.

737
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: Now time for this week's fun Facts interview, where we

738
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: get to know the person under the pads, in this case,

739
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman out of Alabama who blocked on four

740
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: hundred sixty six passing plays last year without allowing a

741
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: single sack. Time for some fun facts for the Bengals

742
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: number one draft pick in twenty nineteen, Jonah Williams. Jonah,

743
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: you were a three year starter and an All American

744
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: at Alabama. You earned your degree in three years. You're

745
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: obviously an excellent student. Inquiring minds want to know, what

746
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: are you lousy at? Um doing fun facts? I can't

747
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: dance or sing. I can't do that, um So I

748
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 1: would say those two all right. Do you have any

749
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: talents that are not widely known? I can, I can cook,

750
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: I can grill, I can I can do all that.

751
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: Um But I think linemen have a propensity to do that,

752
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: probably more so than any other position. Do you have

753
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: a go to dish steak? It's it's it's just easy.

754
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: It's hard to mess out as anyone. Oh, if you

755
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: overcook it, you know, if you're one of those people,

756
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can get along. I'm not

757
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: one of those people. It's got to be a little bloody.

758
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: What did or do your folks do for a living?

759
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: My dad's environmental consulting water management article true things like that,

760
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: My mom says, A home with my little brother. He's eleven.

761
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: You grew up in Atlanta before moving to Northern California

762
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 1: in high school? Who were some of your heroes going up? Personally?

763
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: Like you know, I always loose up to my parents.

764
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: I think that they they taught me a lot and

765
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: have you led me in the right direction. When I

766
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: started playing offensive line, I was looking for a guy

767
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: in the in the league to look for, and actually,

768
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, arrival of the Bengals Joe Thomas as a

769
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: guy that I looked up to as far as molly

770
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: in my game after he was pretty good. We're doing

771
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: fun facts with Jonah Williams. You did a telephone conference

772
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: call with Cincinnati reporters after the draft and told us

773
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: that you built a weight room and the basement of

774
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: your family home. As a kid, I put legos together.

775
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 1: You built a weight room. Tell me a little bit

776
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: about the weight room. I always would walk to my

777
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: school and work out in their weight room, but it

778
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: was usually logs at certain points, like in the summer

779
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: over Chriss break or whenever the school wasn't in session

780
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: and I didn't really have anyone else to lift. So

781
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of two by fours, some some

782
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: metal piping and built like you know, a rack with

783
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: a with a with a little metal bars to put

784
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: the put the squad on and for the bench, and

785
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: got a bench that we already had and got some

786
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: weights in a barbell off craigslists and just kind of

787
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: threw it together. I put a but I just have

788
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: fond memories there. I put up flags of the schools

789
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to play for, and I put up, you know,

790
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: different posters that said what percentage of people make it

791
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: to play D one and what percentage of those people

792
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: make it to the NFL, just so I knew how

793
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: hard I'd have to work to be in that group.

794
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, you moved to northern California for your

795
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: dad's job, and you wound up playing at Fulsome High

796
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: School near Sacramento, one of the most dominant high school

797
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 1: teams in the state of California's history. Sixteen to know,

798
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: I think this was your junior year. Every game went

799
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: to a running clock in the fourth quarter because you

800
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: were crushing teams. Why was that team so good? It

801
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: was a commination of talent and work. You know. We

802
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: had a bunch of talented guys. Cincinnati's very own um.

803
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: Josia Duara was our tight end. We had Jake Brownie

804
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: at quarterback. Cody Crease and I were the anchors on

805
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: that on that old line. Sam Whitney at Boise State

806
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: was our center, and d end We had I mean,

807
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: I think we had ten or eleven guys who who

808
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: win d one. Um, great coaches Coach Taylor and Richardson

809
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: do a great job and if continue to do that

810
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: even after we left, which makes it feel a litt

811
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: less special. But um, but we were exceptional in that

812
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: and the work ethic. One thing I always remember is

813
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: just we would literally run practices without without the coaches there.

814
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: We go up and down the field running plays just

815
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: because we wanted to, because we wanted to beat people

816
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: that bad. And um, I think that that made it special.

817
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: We're talking to Jonah Williams. You can go online and

818
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: see footage from your senior year of high school and

819
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: it looks like the movie The blind Side because you

820
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: are blocking people right off the screen. You are tossing

821
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: people around. It's kind of comical. Actually, did you ever

822
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: feel sorry for any of those kids? Not really, honestly,

823
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: because I knew where my goals were at, and to me,

824
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: I felt like I had to do that to them

825
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: to prove that I could continue to play at a

826
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: high level of the next level just knowing. I mean,

827
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: going from high school to college is a huge gap.

828
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: I think going from college NFL is another gap in

829
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: terms of talent and ability and the types of people

830
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: were going against so I felt like they were kind

831
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: of casualties on my way to college. All right, you

832
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,240
Speaker 1: mentioned Josiah Deguara, now the tight end at the University

833
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati, in your former high school teammate. I called

834
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 1: him up and asked him for his best Jonah Williams

835
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: story that he could share at least, and here's what

836
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: he said. He said, in high school, you were looking

837
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: to put on weight. So he used to carry a

838
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: bag of food around during the day in school and

839
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: just like reach in there throughout the day to get

840
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: a sandwicharity what was in the bag? And then how

841
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: did you go about doing that? Yeah? So, yuh, I

842
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: was trying to gain weight. I got an offer to

843
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: play offensive line. I was like two forty, so I

844
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: had a game sixty pounds, and so I just packed

845
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: a bag and my whole backpack. I'd have like, you know,

846
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: one binder in there. Then the rest would just be

847
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,720
Speaker 1: stuffed with food. I remember I made peanut butter bagels,

848
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: which were always tough to get through because I would,

849
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, dry they were. Um. I'd bring pea chips,

850
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 1: those Peeda chips in h Stacy's Peeda chips or whatever,

851
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: and those were always a hit because everyone one of

852
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: them because they're so good, you know, so I try

853
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: not to share too many of those. I'd bring an apple,

854
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, to make it feel healthier, protein bar pretty much,

855
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: mostly non parishables. I'd get a lunch at school. I'd

856
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: get it from like the cafeteria and then oh, pbn

857
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: J that was important, and a banana probably other things,

858
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: showing his bag of food. That could be a thing, Yeah,

859
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: you could. You could sell that some day. So you're

860
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,439
Speaker 1: one of the top recruits in the country. You went

861
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: on your visit to Alabama and instead of trying to

862
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: impress you with fancy player's lounge, they apparently took you

863
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: into the offensive line room and gave you the clicker

864
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 1: so that you could watch tape for half an hour.

865
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: Is that really what did it that? Well? Yeah, that's

866
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: what That's what set it apart. I met with coach

867
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: christ the Ball, the old line coach at the time,

868
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: and my recruiter, and we were watching tape and he

869
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: was asking me the terminology we use in high school,

870
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: and then he was flipping it from their terminal anology

871
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: to mind. So we'd show a play and describing my

872
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: terms and I'd be able to talk about everything because

873
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, able to translate it.

874
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: So that was the first thing. And then before we left,

875
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: I was talking to coach a boy and he's like, hey,

876
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: do you want to come because it was my official

877
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 1: visit with the Tennessee game. And he's like, hey, do

878
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: you want to do you want to come watch? You

879
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: know the tape from that game? And I was like, absolutely,

880
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: I just watched them first. I want to watch the tape.

881
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: And so I sat there for a while, was just

882
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: going through or watching it and just seeing seeing that

883
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: and seeing, you know, all the workings that organization. Maybe

884
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: I want to join. You left high school early January,

885
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: if your senior year of high school, you went off

886
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: to Alabama, try to get a head start. How tough

887
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: was that? I mean, it was a it was a

888
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: decision I knew I wanted to do. I wanted to

889
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: come in and start as a freshman at Alabama was

890
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: a big goal for me. I knew it wouldn't be easy.

891
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: There's so many great players there and then I'll just

892
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: play anyone, you know, And I knew I'd give myself

893
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: the best shot by coming in early and getting an

894
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: extra five months under my belt before other people do,

895
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: and get an extra fifteen practices, you know, over the

896
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: course of the spring, and get acquainted with the coaches,

897
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: know the system backwards and forwards, things like that. So

898
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 1: it wasn't a hard decision for me to make, you know.

899
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: It was weird missing a missing all the you know,

900
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: second half of my senior year of high school. I

901
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: remember some of the guys on the team making fun

902
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: of me, saying, like, you going to Prom. I was

903
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: just like, Nope, We've got a scrimmage on the day

904
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: of Prom. I'm not going back to California, you know.

905
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: So it was definitely a commitment, but an easy sacrifice

906
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: for me to make. Did you get a welcome to

907
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: the SEC moment when you show up at Alabama and

908
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 1: you're really a senior in high school? I definitely did. Yeah,

909
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: As I did come in early, and I came in

910
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: a week before the national championship game at the time,

911
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 1: So they put me on scout team going against that

912
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen defense, and then they pumped in crowd noise.

913
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: And when they pumped in crowd noises way louder than

914
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: any stadium and as a high schooler. I hadn't even

915
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: hurt normal crowd noise, so I thought that was what

916
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: it was always like. And so I'm trying to watch

917
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: the ball, you know, and also be watching Tim Williams

918
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: and Ryan Anderson, John Allen coming off the edge, and

919
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: so I definitely had that moment and you know, hopefully

920
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: that's out of the way for the rest of my career.

921
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: A couple more fun facts for Jonah Williams. Your first

922
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: year at Alabama, you played right tackle. The next two

923
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: you played left tackle. I read them to prepare to

924
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: make the move from the right side to the left side,

925
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: you tried to write and eat with both hands. Is

926
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: that the case it is? Yeah, I figured, you know,

927
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: I might as well, and I got. I did it

928
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: for a while. Especially the eating is able to do that.

929
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: Writing is just tough to do. But then I actually

930
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: talked to a couple of people and they said it's

931
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: actually advantageous to be right handed as a left tackle

932
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: because that's your inside hand over your post foot, you know,

933
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: and so you want that to be your strong hand

934
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: and most run hand pass situations. So I kind of

935
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: kind of laid off it at that point, all right,

936
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: last thing. Your arms look normal to me. At the

937
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: NFL scouting combine, your arms measured thirty three and five

938
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: eighths inches. The preferred length is apparently thirty four for

939
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: a tackle, so your arms, I guess, are three eighths

940
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: of an inch shorter than preferred. A dime is about

941
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: a half an inch wide, so it's less than a

942
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: dime that we're talking about. Is this like the most

943
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: overblown thing in the world. Oh? Absolutely, And you know,

944
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: it's frustrating that I was in a situation where I

945
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: had to defend myself against that, like there's no reason

946
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 1: for that. It's it's about the film, it's about the resume.

947
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,120
Speaker 1: If I was way off, you know, like um Coacha

948
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: Turners making a joke earlier, he was like, if you

949
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: were five nine, you know, we'd take concern, but you're

950
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: six four and five eights with thirty three and five

951
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: eights and charms like, it's not it's not a huge deal.

952
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: So he has it's frustrating. I'm to defend myself from that.

953
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: I gave a list of the combine of all these,

954
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, future Hall of Fame type O linemen that

955
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: have my length arms are shorter who we are we

956
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 1: talking about Joe Thomas, Joe Staeley, as those guys, Jason Peters, Bactieri,

957
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: Jack Matthews, Bulaga, all those guys just anywhere arranging room,

958
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: just starters in the NFL to the Hall of Fame

959
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: type guys, like just some incredible players. But they make

960
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: up were it with their technique and their ability and

961
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: the way they play the game. So I never really

962
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: took that much of a concern to it. I think

963
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: people have to fill four months of TV and radio time,

964
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: so they just find things to talk about. So I

965
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: never took it that personally. It doesn't matter anymore, you know,

966
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: since Nattie picks me and it's the team I'm on,

967
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: and I'm just excited less than the width of a dime,

968
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: remember that. Really excited to have you here in Cincinnati.

969
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: Congratulations on being the eleventh pick in the draft. It's

970
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: a remarkable achievement, but you definitely earned it. We look

971
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: forward to watching play. Thank you. Can't wait to be here.

972
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: And that's going to do it for this week's podcast.

973
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