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Speaker 1: to start rams week as the road to the super
Speaker 1: Bowl now starts at AT and T Stadium on Sunday.
Speaker 1: I've got my super Bowl cap still on after a
Speaker 1: long weekend. Yes, it was a long weekend after a
Speaker 1: long Thursday night in Chicago. It was a well deserved
Speaker 1: long weekend, by the way, for whom, for us? For us,
Speaker 1: the cab was for the team. We had to go
Speaker 1: through four games in nineteen days, that's right, and miserable
Speaker 1: about everyone, well yeah, well the last three for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it is a new day, a new week, and um,
Speaker 1: we're gonna figure things out here, or at least we're
Speaker 1: gonna try to figure that our way out here. We'll
Speaker 1: let Jerry know we came up with there you go.
Speaker 1: And it was an enjoyable Sunday of watching football, wasn't it?
Speaker 1: Did you watch football, watch watch for ten ten hours? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Pretty much. Yeah, I was trying to do the math. YEA.
Speaker 1: A couple of good games, yeah, I mean really that
Speaker 1: New game in New Orleans, New Orleans game, the Baltimore game,
Speaker 1: Baltimore and Buffalo. I said, I was miserable watching that one,
Speaker 1: you know, like, see see what you should have done? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about and no one's in the room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: read my dog yesterday. It's like it's a weekend of
Speaker 1: why can't they do this? And why can't they do
Speaker 1: That's well, I'm sure every fan was thinking that. You know,
Speaker 1: even though we wanted to relax because there's no more pressure,
Speaker 1: you know from a cowboy game. You sit here and
Speaker 1: you think, man, okay, look at Alan stats. It had
Speaker 1: a horrible game. I mean, I don't think he had
Speaker 1: ten yards. Every completion is below at thirty five percent completion.
Speaker 1: It just he looked like and he was at home.
Speaker 1: Buffalo played at home. They I guess what it is
Speaker 1: is we've made it too comfortable for the visiting teams.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. And Josh Allen was
Speaker 1: seventeen and thirty nine, so less than fifty percent for
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty six yards and a touchdown. Didn't
Speaker 1: throw a pick, I mean rushing yards. He had nine
Speaker 1: yards on two carries. See that that makes me mad.
Speaker 1: It's not as many as sixty four. That makes me mad.
Speaker 1: And then Coole Beasley's numbers four for twenty nine, four
Speaker 1: for twenty nine and a touchdown. Yeah, yeah, us, And
Speaker 1: I was thinking of you because then they were talking
Speaker 1: about it. They weren't. They weren't single covering him. No,
Speaker 1: they weren't. They had because that's how you think, Oh wow,
Speaker 1: they had a plan. Write that there, and then you
Speaker 1: watch the Sunday night game and you look at these
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams that are coming in here this week
Speaker 1: and they just beat the Seattle Seahawks. How in the
Speaker 1: world are we gonna beat that? Dee wow? Right? And
Speaker 1: what's wrong with the Seahawks all of a sudden? Huh
Speaker 1: how did this happen? So it's very confusing. I don't
Speaker 1: I have no optimism because now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the Rams are looking good. That's what gives you hope.
Speaker 1: They're looking good, the Rams looking But as far as
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are concerned they're not looking good. And the
Speaker 1: longer you don't look good, the closer you are to
Speaker 1: looking good again. Yeah. So that's like there's no bottle.
Speaker 1: The more you'll lose the closing. The more you win,
Speaker 1: the closer you are to lose it. And the more
Speaker 1: you lose, the closer. And then if you want to
Speaker 1: add another sickening game San Francisco, I mean, New England's beatable,
Speaker 1: aren't they. That could have been usin That was another
Speaker 1: one that really got me. Man, that could have been
Speaker 1: They should have lost three in a row. That's defense.
Speaker 1: Defense played well in that game overall, but the weather
Speaker 1: was a big factor for sure. You almost have to
Speaker 1: throw that one out. And actually New England probably should
Speaker 1: have won that game yesterday. If you look at a
Speaker 1: couple of calls, a couple touchdowns then were called back. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you have to overcome that stuff. That's what they
Speaker 1: were ups. They picked up flags in New England and
Speaker 1: they whistle fumble what would have been a scoop and score.
Speaker 1: They whistled it dead rather than letting the play play out.
Speaker 1: The heck of a defense, heck of a defense and specialties.
Speaker 1: It's nice to see the Patriots not get the calls.
Speaker 1: It have been nice though, little been nice. So where
Speaker 1: are we with this Cowboys team after the bye week?
Speaker 1: They are making their hospital visits this morning? The players
Speaker 1: are right, Yes, they were. I wonder how cheery those visits.
Speaker 1: Maybe that'll help out and put them, you know, put
Speaker 1: some pepping their steps. Yeah, those patients many great, great,
Speaker 1: great people kids. And that's a tradition that's been going
Speaker 1: on at least thirty years. That's good stuff. I mean
Speaker 1: it started, you were doing it throughout your career here, right,
Speaker 1: and nearly forty years when I was with Springs. That's
Speaker 1: we continued that as a business. We continued helping our
Speaker 1: charities continue to put on old school cowboy events. I
Speaker 1: was visiting a hospital and uh, you know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of sad because some of them with kids thing, and
Speaker 1: it kind of it lights a fire under you, you know,
Speaker 1: to let you know why you're doing it. And uh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one thing about my Blessed Springs. He was talked
Speaker 1: a lot of trash. He's kind of like Charles Haley.
Speaker 1: They talk a lot of trash. But they're big babies,
Speaker 1: you know, they're really big babies, and they really like
Speaker 1: helping people and going to visit those hospitals. That was
Speaker 1: something that I continue to do to this day through
Speaker 1: my found days. So what's the Cowboys players schedule the
Speaker 1: rest of the day. They've got pretty extensive meetings once
Speaker 1: they get back. And I noticed on the board that
Speaker 1: said special teams meeting all players. So maybe all hands
Speaker 1: on deck for special teams the coming weeks, not sitting
Speaker 1: there relying on a bunch of young guys. So and
Speaker 1: then they have a practice I think four forty five
Speaker 1: to five forty five. Jason Garrett was asked on the
Speaker 1: conference call Friday lineup changes. Do you can you do
Speaker 1: anything to try to shake things up a little bit,
Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, we'll look at all of it.
Speaker 1: That's interesting what Mick said. But you know, from a
Speaker 1: from an offense defensive perspective, I don't know don't know
Speaker 1: how many changes you can make to your lineup right now.
Speaker 1: I think it just comes down to execution and playing better.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, just thinking one of the changes you
Speaker 1: make might be one of the guys that you just
Speaker 1: paid this offseason, so you don't want that to happen.
Speaker 1: Who's that, I don't know, one of them just don't
Speaker 1: don't type me down there. You're right, there were a
Speaker 1: lot of guys paying. I could hear suggestions out there.
Speaker 1: Came back. No, no, would you like to start on
Speaker 1: offense or defense? Yeah, it looks like they might start
Speaker 1: off with kicking. Yeah, there you going. There's the kicking
Speaker 1: caravan comes back through here today. That's That's what I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask any any more, any that can get
Speaker 1: you excited? Well? Kai for Bath is the new name
Speaker 1: on the list. Uh, Nick Rose out of Highland Park
Speaker 1: High School, University of Texas, who was here last week
Speaker 1: making the rounds. And Taylor Viscaino I don't remember his
Speaker 1: first name name Whostan Okay, how many Tristan's can a
Speaker 1: team have on? But the Kai for Bath most recently
Speaker 1: kicked for the New England Patriots ever soon a week
Speaker 1: ago as Nick Folk had an emergency appendeck to me
Speaker 1: missed the game a week ago, and Kai for Bath
Speaker 1: made a twenty three yard field goal for the Patriots. Okay,
Speaker 1: he also missed an extra point. He was cut the
Speaker 1: next day. So the extra point is longer exactly right, yeah,
Speaker 1: thirty three yards. So so he is here today and
Speaker 1: he hasn't kicked much in the NFL the last couple
Speaker 1: of years either. No, but he's been around and I
Speaker 1: think he's a name you'll recognize. He's a name you recognize.
Speaker 1: The guys brought in and two of them are coming
Speaker 1: back apparently, but for a workout. But he's eighty five
Speaker 1: percent for his career eighty six percent. That's better than
Speaker 1: what Brett has been this year, clearly, um So at
Speaker 1: least it's a guy with some experience. We'll see if
Speaker 1: they make a move. I mean, Jerry said on the
Speaker 1: fan on Friday, kind of indicated they still feel like
Speaker 1: what's out there is not better than what they can
Speaker 1: get out of Brett. But ten missed field goals this season,
Speaker 1: that's um and you know, one of five. That's got
Speaker 1: to be one of the worst in Cowboys histories for
Speaker 1: as field goal kickers. And I haven't looked it up
Speaker 1: because its franchise always been blessed with good field goal kickers. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we took Dan Bailey for granted,
Speaker 1: there's no question about it. Um. Cowboy fans do that
Speaker 1: a lot, and he's writers. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: cook them for granted, but I'm sure he spoiled everything. Well,
Speaker 1: I think you just start to get used to it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make um. But you know, on the cowboy culture,
Speaker 1: I mean I go all the way back to when
Speaker 1: before I played, We've always Tony Fitz after Septyn, I mean,
Speaker 1: I was consistent kickers. They were never big, big leg kickers.
Speaker 1: They were never the ones with the big foot. They
Speaker 1: can get those fifty yards, but consistently within forty five yards.
Speaker 1: That's what we've always been accustomed to. Within forty five yards,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be at least amount. And that's that's been
Speaker 1: going for decades throughout the cowboy uh law. But now,
Speaker 1: uh god, I don't think I've ever been around the
Speaker 1: cowboy kicker this inconsistent. This is something that's very new
Speaker 1: for me. One other time when they signed vander Jack
Speaker 1: that's yeah, yeah, Mike vander Jack with parcels here. It
Speaker 1: was five. I think he got sick. He got cut
Speaker 1: by December. I think that year, right, he should have
Speaker 1: been cut in training kicks. Well, this guy, this guy
Speaker 1: was bad in training camp and if you remember he
Speaker 1: he he failed miserably down the stretch in Indianapolis. I
Speaker 1: think because he at the time, was one of the
Speaker 1: most accurate kickers in the National Football League, and then
Speaker 1: he failed in the playoff game. I think it was
Speaker 1: a winning kick if I remember against the Pittsburgh and
Speaker 1: he kicked it in the other tunnel. Yes, yes, behind her.
Speaker 1: He missed the kick by thirty why, very good, not
Speaker 1: an exaggeration. He kicked into the way right. And then
Speaker 1: he got here and he was he was awful in
Speaker 1: training camp and he was like, well, I'm worried about
Speaker 1: training camp. This is practice, you know, in his preseason
Speaker 1: games and then he just took it right into the season.
Speaker 1: He was terrible. I remember he used to say he
Speaker 1: had this phrase. He would say, yeah, I took a
Speaker 1: I took a mental holiday on that kick. Well, you
Speaker 1: might want to stop doing stop saying had I'm a
Speaker 1: little older. Who's the kicker from Lake Hilands. They played
Speaker 1: with the Baltimore Ravens and was an amazing kicker for you,
Speaker 1: Phil Dawson. No, Matt Stover. Matt Stover. Matt Stover was
Speaker 1: with me in New York my first year there, and uh,
Speaker 1: he was terrified of parts seals. He kicked the ball
Speaker 1: into the center's but saw that he was terrified, and
Speaker 1: I know he's such a little nice guy. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would just remember, hey, man like Hollins Burke. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got after. It was a little. That was a little.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? Whoa dude? You you might
Speaker 1: feel out on me because it was my first time
Speaker 1: there as well, so I didn't need that negatives. He
Speaker 1: goes on the Baltimore and had an amazing career and
Speaker 1: amazing thirteen years with the Ravens. After he was he
Speaker 1: was with the br well, the Giants in ninety and
Speaker 1: then the Browns ninety one to ninety five. But ever since, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's those money kicks from forty to forty
Speaker 1: nine yards. And I was reading Nick's article on the website.
Speaker 1: Brett's one of five in those this this year. And
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett was asked last week, you come a point
Speaker 1: where you have to adjust your play calling, exact field
Speaker 1: strategy because of your kicking situation. And he said, this
Speaker 1: is before they decided to bring him back for the
Speaker 1: Bears game. He said, it's time to get a new
Speaker 1: kicker once we get to the point. Are they at
Speaker 1: to that point right now? Is the question? After missing
Speaker 1: the forty two yard and that was such a momentum swing.
Speaker 1: You know, offense keeps falling behind and you're trying to
Speaker 1: get points on the board and you can't convert, and
Speaker 1: it's got to be deflating. It's a it's a game
Speaker 1: plan killer when you miss those chip shots what we
Speaker 1: call them these days, because you're you're expecting that. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: here's the plan. We're gonna go down here when the
Speaker 1: desperate situation. Now, all right, we may not get we're
Speaker 1: down by ten, Okay, let's do we go for three now? Okay,
Speaker 1: because we don't want to use all our timeouts when
Speaker 1: we use our time trying to score. Okay, let's just
Speaker 1: get this three out of the way and then we
Speaker 1: can continue, you know, to this this amazing comeback. And
Speaker 1: then once you miss that kick, everything goes out the
Speaker 1: window because you almost get to a point when you're
Speaker 1: on third down and you're in field goal range. Normally
Speaker 1: you would tell your kick, your back, tell your quarterback, Okay,
Speaker 1: we got a field goal here. Let's not screw it up. Now.
Speaker 1: It's almost like better go for it at all calls
Speaker 1: because we can't count on the field. Yeah, you got,
Speaker 1: whatever you do salvage this play, right, there's a big
Speaker 1: difference between that and playing for a field goal. And
Speaker 1: so we'll see how these guys do. Because you know,
Speaker 1: two of them worked out of the threesome last time
Speaker 1: and it wasn't real pretty I'm told now it was
Speaker 1: a pretty windy day. So I don't know if that
Speaker 1: affected these guys or not. Well, it might be windy
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia here in a couple, so you know that.
Speaker 1: So they did that before went to New England, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was on the short week. They weren't going
Speaker 1: to sign any of those guys. Oh, they didn't last week,
Speaker 1: last week, last week, a week ago. After practice last
Speaker 1: week either Monday maybe Monday, No, it was before New England. No,
Speaker 1: they worked him out last week and went with went
Speaker 1: with Brett. Okay, yeah, you know he said, well they're
Speaker 1: all running together. I I remember saying there was no
Speaker 1: way they were going to practice two days and tell
Speaker 1: him to go to New England and kick in that weather.
Speaker 1: I forget which day it was, but yeah, last week
Speaker 1: he said after the game he thought he hit the ball.
Speaker 1: He struck it well in the game. One thing they've
Speaker 1: liked about him is his mentality. You know, he doesn't.
Speaker 1: He doesn't seem to get down on himself, but you know,
Speaker 1: will help him. We'll see what they do. I'll see
Speaker 1: what they do. Sometimes you gotta get down on yourself
Speaker 1: and to do better. Yeah, you know, you think that's
Speaker 1: this blind optimism. You know, it doesn't seem to be
Speaker 1: working well right now. Yeah, you know. And the thing
Speaker 1: with for Bath, it's not so much his field go accuracy.
Speaker 1: If you look back in his last couple of years
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, it's the extra points. Yeah, he was. He
Speaker 1: missed eight extra points in two years. So that's one
Speaker 1: thing Maher's made is he's made those extra points that
Speaker 1: are like everysince said they're longer than he Just needs
Speaker 1: to look at these forty two yards field goals point Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: just tell him it only counts one point, not three points.
Speaker 1: But you know the other thing that he's fallen off
Speaker 1: is is kick offs too, not getting I hadn't noticed
Speaker 1: any go out of bounds lately. Now we haven't played
Speaker 1: since Thursday. That was the that was she That was
Speaker 1: the plan though, to kick to the side, and he
Speaker 1: didn't do it accurately. But he hasn't gotten the ball
Speaker 1: deep enough take kicker and tell him on his kickoffs
Speaker 1: be accurate. Well, I say, just let it kick the
Speaker 1: down ball. If you kick out the end zone, who
Speaker 1: cares what he hasn't been doing it. That's been that.
Speaker 1: It was a real wendy up there where in Thursday
Speaker 1: in Chicago. Oh, couldn't pregame not that bad. We got
Speaker 1: down there in the fourth quarter and it was gustin
Speaker 1: but not. It wasn't like what she thought it might be.
Speaker 1: I think that on the on side kick that the
Speaker 1: Patriots employee works pretty well. You know, hit a pop
Speaker 1: up to the twenty yard line. Can Yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: of fullback try to get Did you notice they tried
Speaker 1: to uh, they tried to uh in punt protection. They
Speaker 1: didn't put a guy back yesterday? Yes, Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: disappointed in Nanson Romo because they didn't. On the broadcast,
Speaker 1: they said they were both saying, I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever seen that Romo specifically, so, I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever seen this where with six minutes left in the game,
Speaker 1: you don't put a punt returner back there. Well, if
Speaker 1: you would have watched the Cowboy Patriot think you would
Speaker 1: have seen it. And if they got two penalties out
Speaker 1: of it, and they just let them go ahead and
Speaker 1: punt it. The ball rolled forever. It actually kind of
Speaker 1: worked out over really good. Yeah. All right, we're just
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Speaker 1: Sooners in the Baylor No, that's an old read. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I didn't read that. Congrats, old congrats. Yeah they survived.
Speaker 1: And now LSU hold you guys, you guys, hold enough
Speaker 1: of Baylor. Come on, will come through a baby? Now,
Speaker 1: what about the next game. He's unbeaten against LSU. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jalen hurts with Alabama team a little different. If I
Speaker 1: hear that one more time, and you can get in
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that LSU had at the time. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: when they were going through this quarterback drought. Now they've
Speaker 1: finally got their guy. They got their guy. Yeah for
Speaker 1: the first time since who LSU as a quarterback? Which
Speaker 1: the last time they had a good quarterbacks. Yeah, day
Speaker 1: day was pretty good. It was pretty good. Mettenberger was
Speaker 1: pretty good. But this this young man, he's uh, he's special.
Speaker 1: He's gonna have an addition to his trophy case on
Speaker 1: Saturday night. Joe Burrow he better, he said, hands down
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy winner on Saturday Night. And they've been, they've been.
Speaker 1: You know, you can tell when they they're making the
Speaker 1: push because there was so many games where they were
Speaker 1: just blowing people out and they kept him in the game.
Speaker 1: And the wide RECEI was amazing. So he'll throw a
Speaker 1: screen pass and go ninety yards you know, in a blowout,
Speaker 1: right the blow out, they're already up by like four touchdowns,
Speaker 1: he's still in the game throwing touchdowns, which is great.
Speaker 1: That's how you do it, that's how you well, that's
Speaker 1: how you end up number one in the nation. Exactly
Speaker 1: got to have style points these days. Um, did you happen,
Speaker 1: and this is sort of draft talk here, did you
Speaker 1: happen to see Oregon in Utah on Friday night? The
Speaker 1: quarterback for Oregon Justin Herbert? Yes? I did. What do
Speaker 1: you think of him? He's awfully good, number one pick size, right,
Speaker 1: got an arm, He's got an arm. He made any
Speaker 1: throw you need him to. Now. I know gil Brandt
Speaker 1: last year before before he decided, before Herbert decided to
Speaker 1: come back for another year at Oregon, that gil Brant
Speaker 1: was saying, this guy's going to be the number one pick.
Speaker 1: So and he came back to play with his brother,
Speaker 1: that he's going to be a freshman. Just wanted to
Speaker 1: always play with his brother in college. So that scores
Speaker 1: points in your draft guide? Yes, right, absolutely, Okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: I am, I am. I have to look at the conference. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're playing a really good defense
Speaker 1: in the Pac twelve, So I'm not going to really
Speaker 1: give him too much credit right now? How much def
Speaker 1: they played in the SEC? Right now? SEC? He had
Speaker 1: a forty eight forty five Auburn Alabama game. Yeah, kend
Speaker 1: of get to what you kind of get to um.
Speaker 1: All right, how about San Francisco and New Orleans yesterday?
Speaker 1: People are talking that's gonna be a good defensive struggle,
Speaker 1: and it turned into the greatest football game ever played.
Speaker 1: Forty eight six was what a phenomenal football game this was.
Speaker 1: But if in the Big Twelve they playing forty eight
Speaker 1: forty six game, they can't play any defense. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you you just might lose your standings if you if
Speaker 1: you're not if you're going for the playoffs, you might
Speaker 1: you won't make it with a game like that. That
Speaker 1: will count you out of That's right, that's right. But
Speaker 1: if Auburn plays Alabama's forty eight forty five, that's great
Speaker 1: football game I've ever seen. Well, that's what happened to
Speaker 1: Ohio State, right, gave up too many points to the
Speaker 1: team they beat for trailing. That's right, they're trailing twenty
Speaker 1: one seven, and then they totally dominated in the second
Speaker 1: half of the game. Ain't get styled then, don't you
Speaker 1: know the Ohio State and unssue they were lobbying so
Speaker 1: hard because they all wanted to play Oklahoma in the
Speaker 1: first round in not Clemson. You know what you have
Speaker 1: the commentators there that have vested to me, have a
Speaker 1: vested interest in what's going on with Come on, they
Speaker 1: had like three of them, right tool Could you see
Speaker 1: that was on one of them? ESPN had too, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's on the pregame show. There was three and you've
Speaker 1: got You've got herb, You've got Galloway. So Ohio State
Speaker 1: is to College Football Network TV what the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: to the NFL network, No what what universe in Miami
Speaker 1: or Florida players are to all NFL channels Because if
Speaker 1: you look at it, Michael Irvin, Dion Sanders, how many
Speaker 1: other Florida guys do we have up? So it does
Speaker 1: not just the you but Florida State. Yeah, there's Florida
Speaker 1: athletes period, got some. Yeah, there's Florida. So they're all
Speaker 1: covered right there, FSU, Florida and Miami. So the narrative
Speaker 1: is not always Your takeaway from that Saints nine Ers
Speaker 1: game as far as what they were doing, I mean,
Speaker 1: because it was such a great football game. My takeaway
Speaker 1: is Wow. Jimmy Garoffalo, I am impressed. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: am very impressed. I had so much doubt in Lynch
Speaker 1: and this forty nineteen I just didn't think they were
Speaker 1: going to be as good this quickly. Richard Sherman coming
Speaker 1: back from the Achilles injury before yesterday with got a hamstring,
Speaker 1: but even before that, he was anchoring that defense and
Speaker 1: he was part of that. He was that the soul
Speaker 1: of that defense because he brought his experience to a
Speaker 1: young team full of great a great front seven. But
Speaker 1: Garofalo is the guy. He is the He is the
Speaker 1: cherry on top right now. The passages that he would
Speaker 1: throwing in yesterday off balance people in his face. He
Speaker 1: was doing that against the Giants in the first three
Speaker 1: games of the year. He was that guy and I've
Speaker 1: never seen him that accurate. And what impressed me about
Speaker 1: it was the coaches themselves. They found a way to
Speaker 1: go away from their game play and still be successful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they usually run the ball. Yeah, Well they came out
Speaker 1: the first drive, he's four to four. They went after him,
Speaker 1: They went after they did coming back, and they were
Speaker 1: just throwing play. They had a particular route that worked
Speaker 1: the entire game. I think it was a play action
Speaker 1: guy came up with a deep end, cut open all
Speaker 1: day long, and I think around four times in crucial
Speaker 1: moments they came back to that play and they kept
Speaker 1: him alive. It kind of reminded me of what we've
Speaker 1: talked about with the Cowboys defense using their rescinness against them.
Speaker 1: I thought, and I didn't watch all the game, but
Speaker 1: what the Saints were doing was a lot of that misdirection,
Speaker 1: quick passing game, yards after catch. They always do that,
Speaker 1: but they were able to catch the forty nine ers
Speaker 1: in a out of that, And and Breeze is obviously
Speaker 1: still a productive player. Now has been questions about him,
Speaker 1: but just the ability for both those teams to win
Speaker 1: a different style of game. As you said, that speaks
Speaker 1: to what a really talented, potentially great teams are. They're
Speaker 1: they're they're ahead of everybody the conference. My man Deebo
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel h Is he not a player. They either
Speaker 1: throw it to him or handed to him. This guy
Speaker 1: is dynamic and that's why I was hoping he would
Speaker 1: follow the Cowboys. You know. And the other thing, the Niners,
Speaker 1: they don't even have who I who was my man
Speaker 1: in the draft who was not Jalen Hurts, but Jalen
Speaker 1: heard the wide receiver out of Baylor who went early
Speaker 1: third round. I understand the Cowboys really liked him too, Yes,
Speaker 1: and he had he's had a back injury, hadn't played
Speaker 1: all year. But we saw in the preseason. I think
Speaker 1: he scored a couple of touchdowns maybe against us in
Speaker 1: the in the preseason. I know one game I was
Speaker 1: watching um and so they've got him, and you know
Speaker 1: they've got all these guys of course, and then they
Speaker 1: made the move Emmanuel Sanders. You know, as the season
Speaker 1: went along and they realized, hey, we're better when we
Speaker 1: thought we were, took many more out of the game,
Speaker 1: took the crowd out of the game, and that they
Speaker 1: had many opportunities where the crowd could have made a
Speaker 1: big difference. And the Niners were just so poised. They
Speaker 1: were making plays all day long. That to me, you know,
Speaker 1: I hate the Niners. I mean everybody knows, but I mean,
Speaker 1: you give him creat what credit is due, and I was,
Speaker 1: I was just very impressed. I called a for the
Speaker 1: Knight of Fan. I said, man, he's sorry, ass up
Speaker 1: for the Niners should be pretty good. He was so
Speaker 1: happy to hear me make that call because they were
Speaker 1: just efficient and offensively and everything they did they took
Speaker 1: advantage of it. About the end of the game, facing
Speaker 1: fourth and two, and they hit Kittle and down the
Speaker 1: sideline and then he gets face masks for a fifteen
Speaker 1: yards and the face mask he's scoring. That's why the
Speaker 1: guy didn't right, if he doesn't get that face mask,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a touchdown. That's why he didn't let
Speaker 1: go on. That's that's true. DP right there, holding on anything, anything,
Speaker 1: you get everything, you know. All you need to know
Speaker 1: about Garoppolo was when they scored. When the Saints scored
Speaker 1: to go ahead, they it was a quick shot on
Speaker 1: the sideline. He didn't have his helmet on. He was
Speaker 1: going to get it or whatever, in a smile on
Speaker 1: his face like okay, yeah, he's good. I like it
Speaker 1: all right, this is gonna play to Mickey right here. Okay.
Speaker 1: The Saints scored a touchdown early in that game. There
Speaker 1: was a penalty on the extra point and they had
Speaker 1: the option to go for two. They go for so
Speaker 1: they moved it up to the one. They go for two,
Speaker 1: and they missed it. And so then when you come
Speaker 1: down to the end of the game, instead of being
Speaker 1: up forty seven, well what would have been they lost
Speaker 1: forty eight forty six, So instead of being up forty seven,
Speaker 1: forty five. When they scored the touchdown, they could have
Speaker 1: kicked the extra point for a three point lead. They
Speaker 1: had to go for two at forty sixty five, So Mickey,
Speaker 1: there you go. But you know what, I was waving
Speaker 1: my flag to go for two. Oh God, you go,
Speaker 1: because you got the ball on the one yard line.
Speaker 1: I didn't like the play call, but you're on the
Speaker 1: one yard line. When Sean Payton usually comes up with
Speaker 1: a pretty good play call down and they go line,
Speaker 1: it's usually the fullback coming out in the flat, which
Speaker 1: is what they did with the tight end touchdown. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they ran They ran it right up the middle,
Speaker 1: if I remember, is that what it was. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to remember what they did with Hill had one of
Speaker 1: the touchdowns, not taysom Um Josh Hill. Yes, the tight end, Yeah,
Speaker 1: leaking out there. The four nine is went into that
Speaker 1: game knowing that they're gonna have to put out all
Speaker 1: stops to win it, and they did trick plays, very
Speaker 1: well designed trick plays. Stuff we used to do back
Speaker 1: in back in the October. I thought you were going
Speaker 1: to say, back on the player back in October, stuff
Speaker 1: that we used to do. I mean, you remember that
Speaker 1: the Tavon Jet sweep against Philly. You know things like
Speaker 1: that that just like excited the crowd and you know,
Speaker 1: using guys to the best their ability. Yeah, we've got
Speaker 1: forty Niners. Came out with two excellent gadget plays that
Speaker 1: were extremely successful and very timely. That kept the crowd
Speaker 1: out of the game. Is them being able to they
Speaker 1: didn't just stick with their regular game plan or we're
Speaker 1: gonna do what we do and they're gonna do what
Speaker 1: they're doing. We're gonna see who's best. No, they came
Speaker 1: out with some trickeration that really turned the tide for
Speaker 1: this game. It kept the crowd out of the game,
Speaker 1: and their momentum maintained throughout the entire day. And you
Speaker 1: saw that across the league a little bit. You know,
Speaker 1: when we're at home, you can kind of see more
Speaker 1: of that. Kelsey and the Wildcat, I think for the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: the MS, I think the Rams through five or had
Speaker 1: five carries with using their receivers, bringing back some of
Speaker 1: the creativity that mcveigh's known for, and you know, finding
Speaker 1: other ways that if you know, they only started doing
Speaker 1: this because on this winning streak. So it's like you
Speaker 1: have to have the confidence as a team to put
Speaker 1: that in. And if you're going to have the confidence
Speaker 1: of the team, that means defensively or offensively, you have
Speaker 1: to keep yourself in the position in the game to
Speaker 1: where this is the perfect time for that call. You
Speaker 1: can't just run trick plays, right, You have to have
Speaker 1: to be in that position to do. What that means.
Speaker 1: You have to put that defense in a predictable position
Speaker 1: to where you know, this is the defense they're going
Speaker 1: to run, this is the time for that play. So
Speaker 1: you got to do the normal stuff well before you
Speaker 1: start with Warren Powler's used to call it gingerbread plays.
Speaker 1: You have gingerbread nice, Yeah, you know, the little fancy things,
Speaker 1: but if you don't do your basic things well, you
Speaker 1: never get to those. You have to be in position
Speaker 1: for that play to work. You have to be in
Speaker 1: meaning there has to be the right time of the game.
Speaker 1: That's your defense has to be in a certain frame
Speaker 1: of mind. The opposing defense has to be in a
Speaker 1: certain frame of mind. And because you've set them up
Speaker 1: now and now, okay, they're right for the picking and
Speaker 1: that's when you've run those plays. The other thing the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers did well is they knew the Saints
Speaker 1: were worthout two of their starting linebackers. They picked on
Speaker 1: that stuff underneath. With all that stuff, with the fullback,
Speaker 1: the tight end, they couldn't cover any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: They had to end up with their dbs coming up
Speaker 1: covering Kittle because no one underneath could do it. When
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Speaker 1: um cow okay. I was thinking about this as the
Speaker 1: Saints and Niners are giving up forty eight and forty
Speaker 1: six points for actively. Okay, the Cowboys have made a
Speaker 1: habit of giving up some points the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: But as you look down the stretch of this season, yeah,
Speaker 1: you need to store up the defense. But does the
Speaker 1: offense need to be back scored over thirty points if
Speaker 1: you're going to get to where you want to get to. No,
Speaker 1: because you're gonna get in trouble, you can't have to.
Speaker 1: You should not have to score thirty points a game
Speaker 1: to win. And what they've done, as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: my math was already here the other day. They've given
Speaker 1: up twenty five points a game in the last five games,
Speaker 1: and if we eliminate what happened in New England with
Speaker 1: the weather, it's twenty eight points a game in those
Speaker 1: other four and they've lost three of them. So the
Speaker 1: only one they won they gave up twenty seven to
Speaker 1: Detroit and they had to score thirty to win. Okay,
Speaker 1: what about this week as it relates to the Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Rams, whose offense is now getting back on track.
Speaker 1: It appears gets on track us man, they were struggling
Speaker 1: out too straight because the Bears got back on track
Speaker 1: against the Trye, Right, I have to said, I think
Speaker 1: the I think the Rams are gonna be a major problem.
Speaker 1: I don't like it when they come into here they're
Speaker 1: feeling all comfortable. You know, the fans are gonna have
Speaker 1: to be on our side. The fans are gonna have
Speaker 1: to come. We need the energy level of the Saints
Speaker 1: game last year. The crowd has to come out because
Speaker 1: you know how we are in Dallas. We're gonna come
Speaker 1: in there, we've lost three straight. We're gonna have our
Speaker 1: heads in our hands, in our laps, and we're gonna
Speaker 1: be waiting to boot. That's what they feel. They're gonna
Speaker 1: be waiting to boot because everyone is on the narrative.
Speaker 1: Let's get rid of Jason Gett. How about how about this?
Speaker 1: And this happened this morning in the locker room the
Speaker 1: health club after work out, some guy I've seen them
Speaker 1: in there before, where Mickey gets up his first call. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's four lockers down. He's never said anything to me, right,
Speaker 1: And he looks at me and he goes, hey, Mac.
Speaker 1: And I was looked around like I didn't see anybody
Speaker 1: I knew, and it was the guy there. And he goes,
Speaker 1: you know when you know when things are bad? I go,
Speaker 1: when's that? He goes? When people quit asking your questions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I said, yeah, apathy is the worst disease I've
Speaker 1: been there. Yeah fifteen team Yeah, yeah, and so what
Speaker 1: he just said, Yeah, if you will not have home
Speaker 1: field advantage, if people don't come ready, and think about
Speaker 1: all the people that have moved from California to hear
Speaker 1: or Saint Louis here when they were in Saint Louis,
Speaker 1: there's going to be a lot of visitor friend fans
Speaker 1: in the stadium. Monke here. Yeah. I thought the Chicago game,
Speaker 1: I thought that we I thought we'd get a little
Speaker 1: reprieve for being away from home, being away from the negativity.
Speaker 1: And I saw how we played that clearly that was
Speaker 1: not the case. And now you come back home and
Speaker 1: people are just waiting on you. Yeah, I'm sure signs
Speaker 1: are gonna be up. You know they're gonna have some.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised to have a few, Jason Garrett,
Speaker 1: I don't know, signs and things of that nature to
Speaker 1: just show just how disappointed they are. And as soon
Speaker 1: as the first negative thing happens, everybody's gonna be on board.
Speaker 1: All the boobirds are going to be on board. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Third and one not make it what I'm afraid Okay,
Speaker 1: aside from the fans, more importantly the players. Okay, what
Speaker 1: needs to happen for the How much do the players
Speaker 1: believe that they can turn this thing around? Because if
Speaker 1: you listen to Troy Aikman on the broadcast on Thursday night,
Speaker 1: he basically was saying, as a player, I don't believe
Speaker 1: I'd believe it at this point. You know that he's
Speaker 1: been there, he's been there, so so how difficult is
Speaker 1: it to convince the players? And how does a coach
Speaker 1: convince the players that you can do this. I don't
Speaker 1: think the coach has to convince them. I think it's
Speaker 1: got to come from the players themselves. They have to
Speaker 1: believe that. We talked last week about what do you
Speaker 1: need to do to turn this thing around? And I
Speaker 1: can see a scenario to where we you're gonna get
Speaker 1: you're gonna get to a point in the game where
Speaker 1: you're going to need that play and I don't know
Speaker 1: if they're going to be able to pull it out
Speaker 1: in one way or the other, but there's going to
Speaker 1: have to be a moment a goal line stance, you know,
Speaker 1: a great drive after a goal line stance, something like
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia I mean they were they were in this
Speaker 1: sort of in this position. It wasn't as dire, but
Speaker 1: they had just come off a loss to the Jets,
Speaker 1: and that's pretty bad. But now you're at a time
Speaker 1: where okay, now the season's on the left and you're
Speaker 1: coming back home. But what they do again against Philadelphia
Speaker 1: in that game, they got two quick takeaways for the
Speaker 1: first time all season. They had a short fee and
Speaker 1: the crowd was in it, and the crowd was in it,
Speaker 1: and they wound up beating him. Whatever was that entire game,
Speaker 1: Like the crowd stayed in the game. That was optimism
Speaker 1: going throughout the entire stadium as we were making our mood,
Speaker 1: as we were making our plays, and you can feel
Speaker 1: that positive energy, just like the Saints game last year.
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody hit Kamara like that before, the
Speaker 1: way Jayala Smith hit him right. He out to me,
Speaker 1: he's a health of a player, still a health of player,
Speaker 1: but I think that actually took a lot out of
Speaker 1: him period as a as a player. He hadn't really
Speaker 1: been that same dynamic guy since that play. You see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So if you catch a moment like
Speaker 1: that to where if you got one guy that just
Speaker 1: makes this play that ignites the entire stadium, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to have that status quo is not gonna work. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: let's just come out and do our same scripted plays.
Speaker 1: Here we go down the field. We're gonna run twenty
Speaker 1: five plays and we're gonna go seventy five yards and
Speaker 1: we're gonna score a touchdown and then that's it. No,
Speaker 1: you have to you have to do the trick plays
Speaker 1: like San Francisco. Gotta have the gadget plays, those that
Speaker 1: you know are going to work to where the crowd's
Speaker 1: gonna go, oh, here we go. There's there's the effort.
Speaker 1: There's the mental and physical effort that we're putting into this.
Speaker 1: Right now, the crowd, the Cowboy fans, don't feel like
Speaker 1: they're putting the mental and physical effort into being successful.
Speaker 1: It's like everyone's going out there with the status quote.
Speaker 1: Status quote will not It's it's the same principle as
Speaker 1: what did you see in a sudden change play like
Speaker 1: for instance, Jets game, Cowboys went forward on fourth and
Speaker 1: one down at the seven yard line. What what the
Speaker 1: Jets do right after that? They went deep and they
Speaker 1: hit on it and it was a sudden change play.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of times you get the ball at
Speaker 1: the mid at midfield and you get out there right
Speaker 1: after getting a turnover and you hit them with your
Speaker 1: best shot right there sat a heat. Yeah, exactly. They
Speaker 1: need something to steal momentum back and get some confidence
Speaker 1: back and just get something rolling. Yeah, excitement. To answer
Speaker 1: your question, I think it's the defense. I think they've got.
Speaker 1: They're capable of more than what they've shown. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's effort and well, I mean we've seen them
Speaker 1: play at higher level before, and I think they are
Speaker 1: missing Layton Vanderesh. They're missing some guys. But they've got
Speaker 1: to be able to Like Mickey said, offense can't be
Speaker 1: asked to score thirty points every game to win um.
Speaker 1: The question though, like ever since said, you got to
Speaker 1: do something to make something happen, or guys trying or
Speaker 1: guy's pressing to do that, and then it just compounds
Speaker 1: itself because they're trying to get something going a little
Speaker 1: bit defensively, I haven't seen the creativity like what we
Speaker 1: were talking about in the Saint the States and nine
Speaker 1: this game, there had been that creativity I'm sure they've
Speaker 1: tried things to where they say, oh this is solid,
Speaker 1: but they haven't really gone out and done anything. You know.
Speaker 1: Well when they when they have, it hasn't worked. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen they try to that reverse screen pass and
Speaker 1: it got intercepted. I think the wall they can run
Speaker 1: the option they tried. He just run a ten yard
Speaker 1: out and turn around and catch the ball. I was
Speaker 1: thinking saw some of the running backs that that they
Speaker 1: were they were using yesterday. Uh, let's let's be real.
Speaker 1: Zeke is not a route runner. Okay, he's not a
Speaker 1: route runner. So you start thinking about these little nuances.
Speaker 1: If he's not a route runner, don't put him in
Speaker 1: the slot. Okay, route runners going the slot. Unfortunately that
Speaker 1: should have been powered and he wasn't active in this labe.
Speaker 1: But even so, even so, you just let your slot
Speaker 1: man do your work. Then you put the running back
Speaker 1: out to the sideline. He could be a great outlet.
Speaker 1: Well it's deception because now the defense doesn't know if
Speaker 1: he's gonna line up in the slaughter at running back.
Speaker 1: We'll see and and so on fourth down, you don't
Speaker 1: have your running back running out. No, he's not running out.
Speaker 1: And if it doesn't work out, then you have your
Speaker 1: running back is the last option. He's gonna be one
Speaker 1: on one with the guy that's covering him. That's your
Speaker 1: best case scenario as opposed to having a running that's
Speaker 1: like putting a slot guy into running back and telling
Speaker 1: him to run the ball. You know, I mean just
Speaker 1: little things like that to where you just maximize your
Speaker 1: chances and your efforts. So you asked, how do they
Speaker 1: get the team to believe in this? Yes, and I
Speaker 1: can't remember who said, if it was Jason and his
Speaker 1: conference call or Jerry a day or so before that,
Speaker 1: but one of them said, have to remind them of
Speaker 1: some of the good things we've done like this, we're
Speaker 1: in a slump, but we have done good things to win.
Speaker 1: Those six games were not all that bad. So that's
Speaker 1: what they have to do. But to make the plays,
Speaker 1: you got to do more than to get the fans
Speaker 1: involved in passing out white rally towels and rob was
Speaker 1: about defense because right now Zeke Elliott is playing some
Speaker 1: good football. Yeah, that offensive line they're blocking people. You know,
Speaker 1: we got great averages on the last few game, but
Speaker 1: you can't keep running the ball when your defense is
Speaker 1: not holding anybody right these, It throws balance out the wind.
Speaker 1: Defense is the thing. Your defense has to play. And
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