Speaker 1: There's no denying that Ricky Martin changed the game for
Speaker 1: Latino artists.
Speaker 2: Without Ricky, Latin music wouldn't be what it is today.
Speaker 1: He paved the way for so many He.
Speaker 2: Said, yosoi Latino isoi gay is.
Speaker 1: With that one sentence, he went from a Latino icon
Speaker 1: to a Latino gay icon. This sentence wouldn't likely have
Speaker 1: the same effect today as it did back then. But
Speaker 1: remember this was twenty ten. Wait, Joseph, do you remember
Speaker 1: when Barbara Walters tried to get him to come out
Speaker 1: in two thousand during that interview.
Speaker 2: Listen rest in Peace?
Speaker 1: But she was shady, so shady, and the rest of
Speaker 1: his career was so much greater back then.
Speaker 2: Well, not much different, but okay, true, true, Well, we
Speaker 2: have seen change with artists like Bad Bunny leading the
Speaker 2: charge for a new generation.
Speaker 1: We still have so much work to do when it
Speaker 1: comes dismantling the many biases that are pervasive in Latino culture,
Speaker 1: but we do have Ricky to think for part of
Speaker 1: that early progress.
Speaker 2: Ricky had reached a point in his career where he
Speaker 2: was doing extremely well, but something was missing.
Speaker 1: Authenticity.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: On today's episode of Becoming an Icon, we're going to
Speaker 1: take you from Ricky's hit Begata to present day Ricky.
Speaker 1: We're looking back on his MTV Unpluged performance, his collab
Speaker 1: with a little known TV producer named Ryan Murphy, and
Speaker 1: his journey to becoming the activist he is. Today, I'm
Speaker 1: your host Lilianavasquez.
Speaker 2: And I'm Joseph Carrio and this is Becoming an Icon.
Speaker 1: A weekly podcast where we give you the rundown on
Speaker 1: how today's most famous LATINX stars have shaped pop culture.
Speaker 2: And given the world some extress at all.
Speaker 1: Sit back and get comfortable.
Speaker 2: Because we are going in the.
Speaker 1: Only way we know how, with who and a lot
Speaker 1: of opinions as we relive their greatest achievements on our
Speaker 1: journey to find out what makes them so iconic. You
Speaker 1: know what's kind of amazing.
Speaker 2: To me how much we know about space and the Adaman,
Speaker 2: but how little we know about the sea and the
Speaker 2: millions of creatures that inhabit it.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, orry all that too, but for the moment,
Speaker 1: come back to me and focus on earthly beings, specifically
Speaker 1: mister Martin and how consistent he's been throughout his life.
Speaker 1: That too, sure, So After Life, his third English album,
Speaker 1: Ricky was looking for a connection and a sort of
Speaker 1: intimacy with his fans. So what did he do?
Speaker 2: I know what I wish he did, But MTV unplugged
Speaker 2: the raw sounds, the moodiness, the vibes with so nighties.
Speaker 1: Ricky is the first singer to use unplugged as a
Speaker 1: chance for reinvention. Lauren Hill and Shakira did it, and
Speaker 1: now it was Ricky's turn.
Speaker 2: It was a chance for everyone to see Ricky unmasked
Speaker 2: who he truly was and underneath those tank tops and
Speaker 2: tight leather pants.
Speaker 1: It would strip back the overproduced tracks and leave nothing
Speaker 1: but Ricky and his soul.
Speaker 2: I mean he danced a bon bay blena bare foot.
Speaker 2: I'm trembling. So. The set was.
Speaker 1: Performed in Miami in August of two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: featuring some of his iconic ballads as well as songs
Speaker 1: taken from traditional Puerto Rican rhythms. Now during the performance,
Speaker 1: two songs stood out and would become some of his
Speaker 1: biggest hits to this day. The songs do ric guerdo
Speaker 1: translated to your Memory and beg et it get closer?
Speaker 2: Oh I love this one gets my hips moving. Can
Speaker 2: someone get us a tambourine.
Speaker 1: These two songs were polar opposites, but both were inspired
Speaker 1: by Puerto Rico's and musical influences. Priguerdo takes more from
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican Aginaldo Hibato finishing with an aginaldo or rocovignon.
Speaker 2: I don't know what any of that means, but that
Speaker 2: song gave me all the fields I know.
Speaker 1: And Pegatta, on the other hand, is purely a Puerto
Speaker 1: Rican blena.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is either, but that song
Speaker 2: made me want to shake something Madre by Lando.
Speaker 1: To It often features guitars at guadro and even bongos.
Speaker 2: Do those farmers wear headbands and cargo pants?
Speaker 1: I was waiting for you to bring up his look.
Speaker 1: How would you describe it to our audience?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Well, one I would say it's bringing
Speaker 2: sexy back, Like if someone was wearing that now, I
Speaker 2: still think that it would still be attractive. I mean,
Speaker 2: cargo pants maybe not so much, but I'm.
Speaker 1: Sorry, hold please, hold please. I'm putting on my style
Speaker 1: exper hat and taking off my podcasting hat to correct
Speaker 1: you on that, because there's literally no hotter thing in
Speaker 1: fashion right now than cargo pants for both men.
Speaker 2: And women.
Speaker 1: So you stand corrected by me.
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, it's still hot. That's why I said the
Speaker 2: nineties are back. He can bring sexy back now if
Speaker 2: he wants. And the headband is so soccer it's so
Speaker 2: like Latin hot. It was. It was everything.
Speaker 1: I love that you just claimed headbands has only hot
Speaker 1: on Latin men and women. Nobody else can be hot
Speaker 1: in a headband. It's just latinos. Yeah, whatever, And we
Speaker 1: are you letting the no shoes slide?
Speaker 2: Like no, no, no, I wasn't, but I just knew
Speaker 2: that you were going to say something about it because
Speaker 2: he was freaking barefoot, Like what guys.
Speaker 1: So, just to bring you into that moment, we have
Speaker 1: Ricky Martin Brushy tattooed in a sleeveless vest type sleeveless shirt,
Speaker 1: a headband his.
Speaker 2: Deep v's is it a deep V? It was kind
Speaker 2: of like middle chest Like they don't really make those anymore. Well,
Speaker 2: I have them.
Speaker 1: I don't know where you would buy a middle chest
Speaker 1: deep beee either.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm not going to tell you my stores.
Speaker 1: Let's take our listeners to the movement. So there was
Speaker 1: the Latino hot headband, a very deep the sleeveless tea,
Speaker 1: the cargo vent slung like loosely around his hips, and
Speaker 1: then no.
Speaker 2: Shoes and then no shoes. It was giving casually in
Speaker 2: a jolie, you know what I mean. It was casual. Also,
Speaker 2: I do want to say, what do you think is
Speaker 2: stopping men from dressing like this again? And the way
Speaker 2: that he moved, I mean, lor have mercy.
Speaker 1: You know what's stopping them is that they would be
Speaker 1: compared to Ricky in that look, and he's going to
Speaker 1: win it forever and ever and ever, like there's no competition.
Speaker 1: Nobody can do that look hotter than Ricky Martin.
Speaker 2: His performance was so good it felt like he was back.
Speaker 2: The way he was really truly moving his hips, and
Speaker 2: just the way his hand language was happening, you could
Speaker 2: just tell he was just really in it.
Speaker 1: I agree with you one thousand percent the intimacy that
Speaker 1: that stage and that venue and that medium allows him.
Speaker 1: I felt watching it from home like we were on
Speaker 1: vac with like our older cousin Ricky at his beachos
Speaker 1: ending Golen and we were like just doing a jam session,
Speaker 1: like out on the deck, and then we got Linny
Speaker 1: and then it turned into a full living room fiesta.
Speaker 1: That is what it felt like watching MTV Unplugged, and y'all,
Speaker 1: if you haven't watched it, I highly suggest you YouTube
Speaker 1: it and just skip right on through to begat Now
Speaker 1: for his other song through Recuerdo, Martin sat down the
Speaker 1: Spanish singer Maria del Marodrigues Garnerro or let's just call
Speaker 1: her Le Matti as she's known, and Puerto Rican record
Speaker 1: producer and singer Tommy Tois. This song was the most
Speaker 1: popular song of the night and actually went on to
Speaker 1: become his next lead single.
Speaker 2: It made everyone the woon. Also saying the word swoon
Speaker 2: just also takes it back to the nineties very on.
Speaker 1: Brad, swoon might be post for a comeback, but let's
Speaker 1: use it.
Speaker 2: Are we bringing back swoon?
Speaker 1: I challenge you to use it one more time in
Speaker 1: this episode.
Speaker 2: Put your butt game on Now.
Speaker 1: This song allowed us to see a softer and more
Speaker 1: paced Ricky with deeply emotional lyrics, and the official Unplugged
Speaker 1: album was number one on the Top Latin Albums. It
Speaker 1: also won two Latin Grammy Awards and was nominated for
Speaker 1: Album of the Year. Ricky Martin then went on to
Speaker 1: bring all the success and love back to his homeland.
Speaker 1: He went on tour again on the Black and White
Speaker 1: Tour in two thousand and seven, which had four sold
Speaker 1: out shows at Elcholi.
Speaker 2: Good Old Echoli, Ricky Martin paving the way for Bad
Speaker 2: Benny to cause chaos in twenty twenty two, How Far
Speaker 2: We've Come.
Speaker 1: He then released his first Italian song, Non siamo soli
Speaker 1: We are not Alone, which was a duet with Italian
Speaker 1: singer Erros Rama Zoti.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, why wasn't Ricky on season two of White Lotus?
Speaker 2: I need to speak to the manager.
Speaker 1: But with Ricky, as soon as he finds himself musically,
Speaker 1: he finds himself tempted by another calling.
Speaker 2: What oh he told you about that? I guess it's
Speaker 2: not Dale anymore. So yeah, Ricky and I are.
Speaker 1: I'm just ignoring you.
Speaker 2: I'm moving on.
Speaker 1: Let's just say he went back to his first love
Speaker 1: aka Not Joseph. In February twenty twelve, he had a
Speaker 1: guest role on Glee as Spanish teacher David Martinez.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, stop remember when Glee was a thing.
Speaker 1: As soon as he wrapped the show, he took on
Speaker 1: the role of Jay in the Broadway revival of the
Speaker 1: musical A Vida.
Speaker 2: Now that was a look. The facial hair he had
Speaker 2: going on again, what's stopping men from looking like this?
Speaker 1: Clearly that look was working on more than just to you.
Speaker 1: The theater's box office sales broke records six times. People
Speaker 1: were lining up to say this once in a lifetime performance.
Speaker 1: Ricky had found the career he'd always longed for. He
Speaker 1: was making music for himself. Music had expressed his tast
Speaker 1: and his culture, and he didn't need to chase fame
Speaker 1: or publicity.
Speaker 2: And he was acting, which he loves more than me.
Speaker 1: He was doing what he wanted to professionally, but he
Speaker 1: felt unfulfilled personally. He longed to be a father, but
Speaker 1: he wanted to be able to be honest with his children,
Speaker 1: so he made the decision to be honest with the world.
Speaker 1: Despite all the success and strides made in the name
Speaker 1: of Latino representation.
Speaker 2: Ricky was not all that happy.
Speaker 1: I mean, can you ever really be happy if you
Speaker 1: can't be yourself.
Speaker 2: It's one thing to feel so alone because of the
Speaker 2: price of fame, you don't really know who to trust,
Speaker 2: But it's another thing to not be able to share
Speaker 2: yourself with who you really want to.
Speaker 1: Love exactly, and Ricky was a very affectionate person by nature.
Speaker 1: He was drawn to other people from a very young age.
Speaker 1: According to an interview with Rolling Stone in nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 1: Martin experienced his first kiss at age thirteen.
Speaker 2: Well he was dating women on and off throughout his career.
Speaker 1: One in particular, Alejandra Guzman, left him heartbroken. At the time,
Speaker 1: Guzman was separated from her husband, and according to Ricky's
Speaker 1: memoir Me, they began dating, but then Guzman got back
Speaker 1: with her husband and pretended Martin was her assistant.
Speaker 2: A damn Gina that is low Alejandra.
Speaker 1: Later that year, Martin briefly dated gabrie La Sabatini, an
Speaker 1: Argentine tennis player. But it all changed when Ricky was
Speaker 1: on general hospital, he met.
Speaker 2: Someone and started dating him, and.
Speaker 1: Boldened by this new relationship, he decided it was time
Speaker 1: to come out to his mother. Ricky recalls his mom
Speaker 1: being very supportive at the time, saying to him, I
Speaker 1: love you, my son, I'm so happy for you. Bring
Speaker 1: it on. I'm right behind you. The relationship of fizzles,
Speaker 1: and a heartbroken Ricky locked his feelings even deeper inside
Speaker 1: and went back to dating women, ah clame. He recalls,
Speaker 1: I already felt it was hard to be a Latino
Speaker 1: in Hollywood. What could have been more difficult than being
Speaker 1: Latino and gay? His mother had the same concern. Martin
Speaker 1: shared this. I think she thought, oh my god, it's Kiki,
Speaker 1: it's his career. I'm sure every other mother reacts to
Speaker 1: this in different ways.
Speaker 2: So Martin went back to what was safe relationships with women.
Speaker 1: Okay, Joseph, I needed your input here. As a gay
Speaker 1: man who's come out in a Latino family, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on hearing about Ricky going back and forth
Speaker 1: between men and women.
Speaker 2: Well, one, I'm going to say, he got his gay
Speaker 2: in a Latino family, and his mom being there to
Speaker 2: support him is really, really, really huge. That's a big deal,
Speaker 2: and that really does feel like all the support you
Speaker 2: need for the most part, because you rely on home.
Speaker 1: Back then, it couldn't have been easy. When you hear
Speaker 1: that his mom was so accepting of his identity and
Speaker 1: his sexuality, how does that make you feel.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say that it's easier to do
Speaker 2: it now. I don't necessarily think that for the people
Speaker 2: that are still really not accepting of themselves is what
Speaker 2: I'm going to say. But it's definitely there are more
Speaker 2: openly gay people that it does feel a little safer
Speaker 2: to come out.
Speaker 1: Ricky couldn't be honest with the world, but he wasn't
Speaker 1: going to let that stop him from realizing one of
Speaker 1: his greatest desires becoming an icon. Oh, becoming a parent.
Speaker 1: Side note that should be a podcast, because Lord knows,
Speaker 1: we transcend every day just to survive.
Speaker 2: Okay, what I was back to this show, becoming a
Speaker 2: par at yourself. Ricky, with seemingly no partner in his
Speaker 2: near future, googled how to be a single parent.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he was clearing that search history when
Speaker 1: he brought dates home, because that could be a little
Speaker 1: scary for some partners.
Speaker 2: Dayline keeps giving life lessons, always clear the search history.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, Joseph, can we stop computers? I am
Speaker 1: dying to know.
Speaker 2: Let's him keep it move of being correct well.
Speaker 1: His research delivered in August two thousand and eight through
Speaker 1: Suriusy Martin became a father to twin boys, Mattel and Valentino.
Speaker 2: I have never imagined myself being a dad, so I
Speaker 2: cannot wrap my brain around what it is so like,
Speaker 2: you have a baby. What is that maternal desire like
Speaker 2: to want to have a baby. Why do you feel
Speaker 2: like you need to be a parent?
Speaker 1: Well, I think I think it's different for everybody, so
Speaker 1: I can only speak to my experience. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: different in the sense that there was a version of
Speaker 1: my life that could be joyful and rich and fulfilled
Speaker 1: without children, Like I was fully accepting of that, but
Speaker 1: I knew that having a child would also be something
Speaker 1: that could bring me so much joy, so much love,
Speaker 1: and so much fulfillment. And you know, there was a
Speaker 1: time in my life when I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: maybe we're not going to be able to have a baby,
Speaker 1: and I came to full acceptance with that. So I
Speaker 1: think for me, it wasn't like this need like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I need to be a parent. My life
Speaker 1: will fail if I'm not a parent, So I think
Speaker 1: everybody comes at it very differently.
Speaker 2: Becoming a father seemed to have been the security and
Speaker 2: reassurance Martin needed to be comfortable with himself in private
Speaker 2: and in public, because two years later, in March twenty ten,
Speaker 2: he came out via message on his website stating I'm
Speaker 2: proud to say that I'm a fortunate homosexual man, very
Speaker 2: blessed to be who I am, But the.
Speaker 1: Lines weren't always so clear for him. He would often ask,
Speaker 1: am I gay? Am I bisexual? Am I confused? What
Speaker 1: am I? Explaining? Sexuality is one complicated thing. It's not
Speaker 1: black and white. It's filled with colors. When I was
Speaker 1: dating women, I was in love with women. It felt right,
Speaker 1: it felt beautiful. During an interview with FAMA, Martin mentioned,
Speaker 1: I know that I like both men and women. I'm
Speaker 1: against sexual labels. We're simply human beings with emotional and
Speaker 1: sexual needs, like to enjoy sex and total freedom. So
Speaker 1: I'm open to having sex with a woman if I
Speaker 1: feel desired. But despite this, he expressed that he would
Speaker 1: not be interested in an ongoing relationship with women, stating
Speaker 1: men are my thing.
Speaker 2: Girl, Men are my thing too, Bitch life, what's good?
Speaker 2: RIGHI was now out and about and ready to get
Speaker 2: on the apps.
Speaker 1: This was twenty ten, so I'm pretty sure the apps
Speaker 1: were not out just yet, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: His first relationship after coming out was with the Puerto
Speaker 1: Rican economist named Carlos Gonzalez abeam.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, glasses bond markets, macro never micro economics. I'm
Speaker 2: getting all hot and bothered.
Speaker 1: Wait, I didn't know finance bros where you're tight.
Speaker 2: Uh they're not.
Speaker 1: Okay, well they're not Ricky's type either, and all that
Speaker 1: steamy talk about the FED didn't work. So when that
Speaker 1: relationship fizzled.
Speaker 2: He bowed up with Juan, Yes, bitch, you heard me right,
Speaker 2: Juan yoursef so close to Joseph, so close? I know,
Speaker 2: funny how that is? Huh? Ricky closet to a photo
Speaker 2: of the two and captioned it, obviously we're starting a band.
Speaker 2: Oh soon.
Speaker 1: The Syrian Swedish painter and Martin were a pair, and
Speaker 1: they made their red carpet debut as a couple at
Speaker 1: the am Far Inspiration Gallup.
Speaker 2: Okay, hold up, bitch. So wait, there was actually one
Speaker 2: app involved, Instagram. They met on Instagram hashtag not sponsored.
Speaker 2: According to Martin, they were talking for like six months
Speaker 2: without hearing each other's voice. He later decided to take
Speaker 2: their online flirtation i RL and flew to London to
Speaker 2: meet Joseph in person.
Speaker 1: Now they're married.
Speaker 2: I get cute. After all those heartbreaks, he found his
Speaker 2: happily ever after.
Speaker 1: The couple then welcomed more children into their life, this
Speaker 1: time as a couple with Lucia Martin Joseph and Wren
Speaker 1: Martin Yosef. Since coming out, Martin has become a very
Speaker 1: vocal advocac for queer rights worldwide.
Speaker 2: But Ricky has been honest about his journey and even
Speaker 2: admitted to having some good old internalized homophobia.
Speaker 1: Now, both Joseph and I were obviously raised in Latino households.
Speaker 1: I was raised Catholic early on. Joseph wasn't. But I
Speaker 1: think it doesn't even matter what religion we were raised.
Speaker 1: I believe culturally I was definitely raised to think that
Speaker 1: being gay was wrong, Like, who are you telling?
Speaker 2: And I was gay? So and you know where you
Speaker 2: grew up and where I grew up is very different,
Speaker 2: I feel like, and I'll pass it. It was very
Speaker 2: everyone is super Mexican and Latino that I felt the
Speaker 2: wrath of God.
Speaker 1: Well, at least your family wanted you to think that
Speaker 1: you were going to feel the wrath of God. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what they did to us. They made us think
Speaker 1: that being one way was bad and by way. It
Speaker 1: didn't stop at homophobia, Like you couldn't even have premarital
Speaker 1: sex or you were going straight on the.
Speaker 2: Express train to jail, Straight to jail, you know that meme.
Speaker 1: As Latinos, so much of the ideas that we have
Speaker 1: around sexuality is informed by how we were raised. And
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that we're doing so much to dismantle that.
Speaker 2: Now Ricky is older, like not to black my boo
Speaker 2: that I love, but he's older, so that older generation.
Speaker 2: He's thinking about his mom and now look at him,
Speaker 2: he's a gay icon.
Speaker 1: Pink News actually labeled him a strong advocate of LGBT
Speaker 1: rights who expressed support for equal marriage since coming out.
Speaker 1: During the Ricky Renuncia protest in Puerto Rico, he was
Speaker 1: spotted with Bad Bunny and Residente. He instantly became the
Speaker 1: poster child for the protest as he was seen waving
Speaker 1: the Pride flag on top of the moving vehicle during
Speaker 1: the march.
Speaker 2: Talk about living la vida loca. I mean he was
Speaker 2: giving total rockstar moves and Martin's.
Speaker 1: Coming out was a game changer for Latin Pride billboards,
Speaker 1: Lucas Via wrote. With Martin's announcement, gay artists who had
Speaker 1: long kept their sexual identity as a secret finally had
Speaker 1: a beacon of hope. If Martin could come out with
Speaker 1: his career unscathed, there was hope for other artists in
Speaker 1: Latin music to start doing the same. He added that
Speaker 1: since then, a growing number of Latin artists either come
Speaker 1: out after years in the spotlight, or many have simply
Speaker 1: started their careers by embracing their gay identities. When we
Speaker 1: started talking about Ricky, we started with Menulo.
Speaker 2: Every one of my days starts with men of them.
Speaker 2: I thought you only d it on Sundays, Loki, I
Speaker 2: buy it on Sundays and eat it the rest of
Speaker 2: the week.
Speaker 1: So it's only fitting that he went back to mentoring
Speaker 1: a new generation of boy bands. He started by mentoring
Speaker 1: contestants on The Voice Australia in twenty thirteen, which was
Speaker 1: really just prep work for Labanda. Labanda was a singing
Speaker 1: competition that began airing on Univision in twenty fifteen that
Speaker 1: was focused on finding the next members of the world's
Speaker 1: next great boy band.
Speaker 2: They were basically trying to find the next Latino One
Speaker 2: Direction or bts Ah.
Speaker 1: By the way, we love bts on becoming an icon.
Speaker 2: We are here for that. However, Ricky was an executive
Speaker 2: producer and judge alongside at the sns I Love Him
Speaker 2: and louder Baucini.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about how thirsty Lauda was that entire season,
Speaker 1: The way she was looking at those boys that can't
Speaker 1: be legal.
Speaker 2: Oh angry yys lil's. Don't even get me started on
Speaker 2: those effing rumors.
Speaker 1: Listen. Her words may have been about the singing, but
Speaker 1: her eyes were all Viva met Jessa. After getting ogled
Speaker 1: for an entire season, five young men were crowned and
Speaker 1: CNCO was born.
Speaker 2: CNCO oh rot like sinko. Wait, they just dropped the ie.
Speaker 2: So at CNCO nice work.
Speaker 1: Ricky Martin went on to become their very own Simon
Speaker 1: Cow and produce their debut album, Premtasita along with Puerto
Speaker 1: Rican reggae Doneto. In twenty ten, le La Goobo from
Speaker 1: Billboard compared the group with Manudo, noting not since Manudo
Speaker 1: had a Latin boy band, melted ours or made a
Speaker 1: dance quite like CNCO. Pop quiz Pop Quiz, Pop quiz, Joseph,
Speaker 1: can you name a CNCO song?
Speaker 2: One more? No?
Speaker 1: Okay, So between the two of us, we can name
Speaker 1: two CNCO songs and it doesn't matter because the boys,
Speaker 1: well they're kind of cute, right.
Speaker 2: They were totally cute and I could totally see what
Speaker 2: loud Out was thinking.
Speaker 1: Okay, moving on before we get a lawsuit. Jumping from
Speaker 1: Labanda to a new project, he reunited with his new bff,
Speaker 1: Ryan Murphy.
Speaker 2: He's BFFs with Ryan Murphy two.
Speaker 1: As we all know, when it comes to Murphy projects,
Speaker 1: it has to be gay and there has to be crime.
Speaker 2: So basically, Beka do crime.
Speaker 1: Ricky scored the role of Antonio Demico Gianni's real life boo, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, wasn't all too happy with the show.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, nobody really likes being portrayed in a
Speaker 2: bad light.
Speaker 1: You're not wrong, and hithaway, that's why we are not
Speaker 1: selling becoming an Icon rights to Ryan Murphy.
Speaker 2: The fuck yeah, we will write that check Ry Yan.
Speaker 2: We hear it at cash Maining.
Speaker 1: Ricky knew this was the best way to ride that
Speaker 1: wave back into television.
Speaker 2: I love how he was creating another manuval and then
Speaker 2: he was like, let me go give the people an
Speaker 2: award worthy performance. You think you'd be tired of taking
Speaker 2: care of four kids, but no, he runs a caffeine
Speaker 2: and a dream. I'm sure how do you do it loth.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't, but I will say that when
Speaker 1: you have kids, you're just like a better multitasker. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. I feel like my capacity before kids
Speaker 1: was like at a seven, even though I felt like
Speaker 1: it was a ten, And now that I have a baby,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, no, my capacity's a ten and
Speaker 1: I run at a ten. It's not easy, but you
Speaker 1: know what, Let's also be honest and keep it real
Speaker 1: because that's what we do here. He has help, Like
Speaker 1: he's not watching his four kids every day from like
Speaker 1: wake up to bedtime. You gotta have a village. You
Speaker 1: need your peeps to help support you because you can't
Speaker 1: be on set for months at a time and like
Speaker 1: not have somebody at home with your children. So I
Speaker 1: think he's got a lot of help because we all do.
Speaker 1: Maybe not Ricky Martin level help, but we all need
Speaker 1: help to make sure we're doing it all.
Speaker 2: Ricky hasn't had many dull moments in his career. Sure
Speaker 2: there were personal lows, but work wise, he has always
Speaker 2: found a way to stay on top.
Speaker 1: On the next becoming an icon.
Speaker 2: There's so much we didn't get to cover or uncover
Speaker 2: in Ricky's career.
Speaker 1: So many songs we didn't even get to discuss, but
Speaker 1: don't worry. Next episode, we're going to catch you up
Speaker 1: on all of Ricky's life, all of.
Speaker 2: It mm hmmmm. We're leaving no.
Speaker 1: Crumbs, and we'll bring a very special guest on this
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