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Speaker 1: Welcome to You're Wrong about the name of the podcast?

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Speaker 2: Wow, oh my god. That was amazing.

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Speaker 1: It's cool people did cool stuff. And my guest today

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Speaker 1: is Sarah Marshall from the podcast You're Wrong About Hello.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy. Does this mean I'm a cool people

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Speaker 3: or do I guess observe cool people?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't know whether any of us are actually cool.

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Speaker 1: We're just talking about cool people.

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Speaker 2: I mean, all I can say is that intro. Margaret,

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Speaker 2: you are good?

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you, thank you?

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Speaker 2: Did you get my second? Did you get my second?

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Speaker 4: Took so?

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Speaker 3: I didn't get it at all. I'm not very sharp.

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Speaker 3: It's August. Everyone is just barely holding it together. That

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Speaker 3: was beautiful. Sophie, thank you so much. So you are

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Speaker 3: good now? That okay.

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Speaker 1: So Sophie is the other voice. Sophie is the producer

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Speaker 1: of this show. If anyone's curious as to why I

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Speaker 1: introduce Sophie every single time, it's because sometimes I've listened

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Speaker 1: to another show that Sophie's on, and it took me

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Speaker 1: like six months to be like, why the fuck are

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Speaker 1: these men not introducing the woman on the show? And

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Speaker 1: I got so annoyed that because.

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Speaker 3: In the machine.

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Speaker 5: My presence is known. Why do I need introducing? Because

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Speaker 5: it could be anybody's first episode? You know, all so funny,

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Speaker 5: Sara Marshall, what's your podcast? I have a podcast called

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Speaker 5: You Wrong About, which is a title that people find

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Speaker 5: it remarkably hard to remember. I've heard of people's parents

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Speaker 5: calling it what is wrong with You, which is a

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Speaker 5: much more aggressive title than what I was going for,

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Speaker 5: But I do love it. And I have a podcast

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Speaker 5: called You Are Good and You're wrong About?

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Speaker 3: Is about what You're good? That's why I made the joke.

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Speaker 3: But you know that I am good and I know

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Speaker 3: that you are good. Yeah, you are good? Is quote

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Speaker 3: a feelings podcast about movies. I host it with Alex

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Speaker 3: Deed and you should come on it, and we every

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Speaker 3: episode have a guest on and are like because you know,

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Speaker 3: there's like twenty billion podcasts and half of them are

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Speaker 3: about movies. But we try to distinguish ourselves by talking

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Speaker 3: about how does the wedding singer make us feel? We

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Speaker 3: haven't done the wedding singer yet, and like, how does

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Speaker 3: help us learn about codependency? Which I'm honestly sure it

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Speaker 3: could and that kind of thing, And you're wrong about

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Speaker 3: is about history and really about the human tendency to

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Speaker 3: love moral panics and how we can't remember anything. We

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Speaker 3: remember nothing that I feel like this show is about

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Speaker 3: that too.

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Speaker 1: Well, then you're the perfect guest for this episode, because

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Speaker 1: well actually were, because I mean I picked you specifically

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Speaker 1: for this episode because I actually you covered something very

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Speaker 1: similar to what we're going to be talking about, and

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited your take on this today. Oh, I

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Speaker 1: forgot to do the rest of the introductions. We all

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Speaker 1: have to say hi to Ian.

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Speaker 3: Who's Hi?

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Speaker 4: Ian? Hi?

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Speaker 1: Am Oh, Sarah, you would love Ian.

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Speaker 2: You guys would get along so well.

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Speaker 4: I Ian Ian's and Ian's in the state of California,

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Speaker 1: And audience can create a parasocial relationship with Ian based

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Speaker 1: solely on his name, if you would like, because you

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Speaker 1: don't have other information about him. And our theme music

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Speaker 1: was written for us by unwoman. And today we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about this one's going to be kind of

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Speaker 1: funny because it's gonna it's not a reverse cool people.

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Speaker 1: We are going to talk about some cool people, but

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about a lot of bad ship today.

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Speaker 1: And I'm very sorry because you're talking about the theocracy

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Speaker 1: of the people who fought against that theocracy. Because I

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Speaker 1: Since for that, I would recommend people check out this

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Speaker 1: great pop podcast called You're Wrong About It's pretty good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is not an episode about Shnado O'Connor.

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Speaker 1: It's a story about all the people who survived and

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Speaker 1: fought against and escaped the Magdalen Laundries. What do you

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Speaker 3: I feel like I, like a lot of people mainly

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good short version of what we're going

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Speaker 3: Hooray.

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Speaker 1: They you know, these girls end up spending their entire

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Speaker 1: sometimes not always, but sometimes they end up spending their

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. So the cool people we're talking about today,

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Speaker 1: These laundries are often considered the darkest, one of the

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Speaker 1: They're also talked about as one of the worst examples

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Speaker 1: and the Catholic Church deserves that reputation too. But the

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Speaker 1: Magdalene laundries they they start in England, they were started

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Speaker 3: Hmm, this is going to be very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope so I fell down a lot of

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Speaker 1: be obsessed with something for approximately four or five days

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Speaker 1: and then when people messaged me about the details three

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Speaker 2: It's called podcast.

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Speaker 3: Space for a new one. Huh.

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Speaker 4: It's called podcast brain. And once you say it, you

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Speaker 3: It's okay. I had not That happens to me all

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Speaker 2: It's so great podcast brain.

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Speaker 1: I have heard Sarah Marshall talking about Shannad O'Connor more

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think there's a thing too. I don't

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Speaker 3: So Taylor Swift is like breaking their brains and that

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Speaker 3: go of it completely. Does that resonate?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the night after I finished recording these, I'm on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why do we always have dress coasters?

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Speaker 3: I don't know podcasts coast East Coasters.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you want to come on our show?

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Speaker 1: Because people who get paid to do podcasts live on

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Speaker 3: Places that are cheap, like yeah, the middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: So the Magdalen Laundries, which are named after Mary Magdalene,

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Speaker 1: They got themselves together in seventeen fifty eight and they

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Speaker 1: They probably have a different word for every verb and noun.

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Speaker 3: That moment where the canoe the dark shadow. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And this was opened with the support from the queen

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Speaker 1: what we'll talk about later. It was also a tourist attraction,

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Speaker 1: Finally, I'm not sure it ties into this larger thing

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Speaker 3: Cool.

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Speaker 1: We are sponsored by maces. We are sponsored by swords,

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Speaker 3: they're called flavulus. And we are sponsored by what other

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Speaker 1: And that's the only sponsors. If you hear any other sponsors,

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Speaker 1: immediately to the director of iHeartRadio, who is on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at I write, okay, and.

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Speaker 4: I feel like you're just accused my business partner of

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Speaker 2: Fair enough maybe.

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Speaker 1: Okay, these laundries they're in the US too, and people

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Speaker 1: it was founded in eighteen hundred by a collection of

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Speaker 1: Protestant denominations, including the sometimes but not this time based Quakers, who,

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Speaker 1: by the way, invented the modern concept of prison. But

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about that some other time. The Philly Magdalene

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Speaker 1: School had as its vice presidents vice president the fucking.

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Speaker 3: Mayor of Philly. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Because they've always been a collusion of church and state.

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Speaker 1: Now Ireland pulled it off even better because they had

447
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Speaker 1: that deocracy thing.

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: Like most of the rest of these, it started off

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Speaker 1: voluntary survival. Sex workers could come and stay for a

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Speaker 1: couple of days, or weeks to get back on their

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Speaker 1: feet right soon it was a prison. A thirteen foot

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Speaker 1: wall was built around it to keep the inmates from

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Speaker 1: seeing anyone in the city. They weren't like, oh no,

455
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Speaker 1: this isn't We're not building a wall to imprison you.

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Speaker 1: It's so that you don't have like lustful thoughts looking

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Speaker 1: at those handsome men walking down the street.

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Speaker 3: It's fascinating how much of history is about like the

459
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Speaker 3: fear of women's sexuality and like what will happen if

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Speaker 3: we have life ful thoughts. It's like I got and

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Speaker 3: it's so funny, especially because like the men making these laws,

462
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Speaker 3: no's know that, like they can get turned on by gourds,

463
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Speaker 3: you know, So why do they think anyone else is

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Speaker 3: so different?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. I mean because of the female sexuality

466
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Speaker 1: is a complete mystery to men.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, because the uterus wanders and that creates all

468
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Speaker 3: kinds of repercussions. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so they built a thirteen foot wall around this

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Speaker 1: one in Philly. I don't know about this particular one,

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Speaker 1: but at least the Baltimore one and probably a bunch

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Speaker 1: of the other ones had broken glass mortared into the

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Speaker 1: top of the stone. Walls as an old timey barbed

474
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Speaker 1: wire to keep people from having lustful thoughts of course

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Speaker 1: about the people on the other side.

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Speaker 3: History is just saw that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 3: That is.

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Speaker 1: The more I read history, the more I'm like, they

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Speaker 1: never tortured someone the same way twice. They every culture.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like drawn and quartered is like one of

482
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Speaker 1: the most fucked up things you could possibly imagine happening,

483
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Speaker 1: and was like kind of normal.

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Speaker 3: Right, Like that's kind of on the okay end of

485
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Speaker 3: what could happen to you if you compare it to

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Speaker 3: like I don't know and so and then you know,

487
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Speaker 3: there are accounts of torture that you're like, did this

488
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Speaker 3: happen or did your cousin's boyfriend's little sister tell you it?

489
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Speaker 3: But like, but I don't know something about I mean

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Speaker 3: you talking about the penitent penitent prison as a as

491
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Speaker 3: a tourist attraction. Like I always think about this with

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Speaker 3: stuff like public executions, where like we kind of lament

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Speaker 3: what people watch on TV today, but the fact is

494
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Speaker 3: that before we could watch it on TV, we would

495
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Speaker 3: just go out in the world and find it somewhere. Totally.

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Speaker 1: That is a really good point, thank you and what

497
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Speaker 1: we watch on TV is like or what we going

498
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Speaker 1: and watching people get beheaded and cheering is like darker

499
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Speaker 1: than watching Saw, you know, because it's.

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Speaker 3: Actually had a good time making Saw. Yeah, it's maybe

501
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 3: on a level with like some of the TLC reality shows,

502
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Speaker 3: but that's a whole other conversation. I don't mind.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So since women weren't like choosing to get better,

504
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: they would be kept away from society to keep them

505
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Speaker 1: from doing evil and quickly. It's not just for people

506
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Speaker 1: doing sex work or accused of doing sex work, for

507
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Speaker 1: for any girl might be tempted or whatever. This particular laundry,

508
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Speaker 1: the Philly Laundry, lasted until nineteen eighteen. There were at

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Speaker 1: least thirty nine of these places in the US, that's

510
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Speaker 1: like the bare minimum number. Most of them ran until

511
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Speaker 1: the night. Many ran until the nineteen sixties. And we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about why they ended it. It's not humanitarian reasons.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about that later. That's gonna be a little

514
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Speaker 1: thing dangle in front of people. Many worked with the

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Speaker 1: state to basically become the first all women US prisons.

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Speaker 1: There's this place in the Midwest that's like I think Indianapolis,

517
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Speaker 1: but they're like, we had the first all women's prison,

518
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Speaker 1: as if they should be proud, and like a bunch

519
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Speaker 1: of people did research and were like, actually, Indianapolis or

520
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: whatever the city had had exactly all women's prison that

521
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Speaker 1: meets all of the criteria of prison except to process

522
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Speaker 1: of law. But women convicted of moral crimes were sent

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Speaker 1: to these laundries, including by the state. Right, it wasn't

524
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Speaker 1: just people getting dropped off by their families or whatever,

525
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Speaker 1: and these moral crimes that would get you sent to

526
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Speaker 1: these no due process of law. Prisons was drunkenness, vagrancy,

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Speaker 1: and sex work. Girls as young as fourteen were regularly

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Speaker 1: convicted by US courts and sent to hellholes. Girls as

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Speaker 1: much younger than that were sent by their families. Well,

530
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Speaker 1: but this is a story about the Magdalen Laundries in Ireland.

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Speaker 1: They were at their worst in Ireland, not because the

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Speaker 1: Irish are like backwards or something, but because nearly a

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Speaker 1: millennia of colonization left the island particularly vulnerable to exploitation

534
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Speaker 1: by the Catholic Church and by English institutions like the

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Speaker 1: Magdalen Laundries. The first one was set up in Ireland

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Speaker 1: by the Church of Ireland so even in Ireland, those

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Speaker 1: first ones were not Catholic, not trying to get the

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Speaker 1: Catholics off the hook here, just spreading the blame and

539
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Speaker 1: laying it on as thickly as necessary. The first one

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Speaker 1: was set up by the Church of Ireland in seventeen

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Speaker 1: sixty seven. Church of Ireland is the Irish branch of

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Speaker 1: the Anglican Church. Once again, it was funded by a

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Speaker 1: quote unquote philanthropist, and it was originally this first one

544
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Speaker 1: was only open to Protestant girls. But then the Roman

545
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Speaker 1: Catholics and the Presbyterians soon got in on the act,

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Speaker 1: and the Catholic Church are going to take the gold here.

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Speaker 1: They are in the competition to see who can be

548
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Speaker 1: the most evil using the Magdalen laundry model. Why they're

549
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Speaker 1: taking home the gold in a pretty literal sense, because

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Speaker 1: it was all profit driven. The reason that the laundries

551
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Speaker 1: were particularly bad in Ireland is because after the independence

552
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Speaker 1: from Ireland, Ireland became a defect to theocracy. As often

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Speaker 1: as not, revolution provides a power vacuum that some other

554
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Speaker 1: evil institution steps into and out with England sort of.

555
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Speaker 1: You know, Irish independence is like not complete, but whatever

556
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Speaker 1: out with England in with the Catholic Church. Even before that,

557
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Speaker 1: seventy years or so before that, the Irish Famine aka

558
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Speaker 1: the England starved Ireland, committing a second genocide against the

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Speaker 1: Irish people. It destroyed much of the traditional infrastructure of Ireland,

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Speaker 1: and this allowed the Catholic Church to come in and

561
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Speaker 1: start like quote unquote modernizing and specifically romananizing, like making

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Speaker 1: Irish Catholics into Roman Catholics. Okay, a lot of places

563
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Speaker 1: you'd have these nominal Catholics who've been Catholic for like

564
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Speaker 1: a thousand years, right, but they didn't go to church.

565
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Speaker 1: They allowed divorce by women, They practiced all kinds of

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Speaker 1: terrible pagan things like believing in holy wells instead of

567
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Speaker 1: blood drinking.

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Speaker 3: And having a big wicker man every so often.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to put cops into, but not too many. And

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Speaker 1: so the Catholic Church swept in in the eighteen fifties,

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Speaker 1: eighteen sixties, the second half of the nineteenth century, and

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Speaker 1: they increased church attendance and dependence upon the church hierarchy,

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Speaker 1: all while getting rid of the wily pagan ways of

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Speaker 1: the Irish Catholics. And they set themselves up as the

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Speaker 1: true opposition to England seventy years or so before. We've

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Speaker 1: talked about this in a couple other episodes. Protestants and

577
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Speaker 1: Catholics worked together until the Uprising of seventeen ninety eight

578
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Speaker 1: to try and oust England. Right, it wasn't like perfect

579
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Speaker 1: happy fun times.

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Speaker 3: But whatever. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, and so now they set themselves up as

582
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Speaker 1: the true opposition to England. They managed to infuse Irish

583
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Speaker 1: anti colonial sentiment with a religious nationalism that paved the

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Speaker 1: way for their takeover in nineteen twenty two when Ireland

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Speaker 1: sort of gained its dependants. So this is the worst

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Speaker 1: place for the laundries because there's so much church and

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Speaker 1: state collusion. Judges sent girls to the church instead of

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Speaker 1: to prison. Survivors and their families and stuff. Say again

589
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Speaker 1: and again that no one outside knew how bad the

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Speaker 1: laundries were because the church was who had educated every

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Speaker 1: single person in Ireland, and so it wasn't really possible

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Speaker 1: to question it. All kinds of shit could get you

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Speaker 1: sent to the laundries. The big one wasn't sex work.

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Speaker 1: The big one was pre marital sex. If you're pregnant

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Speaker 1: and unmarried, off to the laundry.

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Speaker 3: With you.

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Speaker 1: You're sent by social workers or your family or the police, whatever.

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Speaker 1: But here's where it gets worse. Don't worry. If you're

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Speaker 1: pregnant and unmarried, the Catholic Church will steal your baby

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Speaker 1: and ship it off for adoption, selling it and not

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Speaker 1: giving you any of the money.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess they need all the babies they can get. Yes,

603
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Speaker 3: there may may be selfish of me to want to

604
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Speaker 3: keep my baby exactly when that baby's street value is

605
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Speaker 3: declining by the day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you understand. Yeah, I mean it is.

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Speaker 1: I don't you know.

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Speaker 3: I think everybody listening to this knows this already, but

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Speaker 3: I don't know. To me, it's worth emphasizing that, like,

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Speaker 3: stealing someone's child is, like, truly, I think, one of

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Speaker 3: the most overtly dehumanizing things you can do to someone,

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Speaker 3: both in terms of its actual effect on them and

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Speaker 3: what it communicates about what you think of them.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and so one of the many great crimes that

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Speaker 1: the Catholic Church is perpetrated on a massive scale involves

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Speaker 1: the Catholic adoption practices. So that's where we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about for a minute. The Catholic Church is probably the

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Speaker 1: single largest human trafficking organization in history. They're so good

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Speaker 1: at doing everything evil. They have the residential schools in Canada,

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Speaker 1: they have the laundries in Ireland, they have the child

621
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Speaker 1: abuse literally everywhere. And I didn't hear about the adoption

622
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Speaker 1: stuff until a friend of mine who's like more or

623
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Speaker 1: less a victim of this, started talking to me about it.

624
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Speaker 1: The theft and sale of babies. Not every instance of

625
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: Catholic adoption practices has been course of an evil, and

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Speaker 1: we're actually going to talk about a counter example in

627
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Speaker 1: a moment. But the short of it is that the

628
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: Catholic Church pressured on web mothers into giving up their

629
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Speaker 1: babies for adoption or often outrights, stole them, often by

630
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Speaker 1: like putting the mother under anesthesia during birth and then

631
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Speaker 1: being like your baby died in childbirth, oh God, and

632
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: then sold them off different prices different times. The only

633
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Speaker 1: price I've specifically seen was three thousand US dollars in

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Speaker 1: like nineteen fifties market value.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: All the while, of course, the Catholic Church is massively

637
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 1: campaigning against birth control and abortion, oh God, which helps

638
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: their bottom line and creates a steady stream of babies.

639
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: They've done this all across the world, and the abuses

640
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: of the system are well documented. Since I can tie

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00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: everything to the Spanish Civil War, anyone who's listening and

642
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: being like as NOI as bitch is going to tie

643
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: as the Spanish Civil War. But what you, thank you,

644
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: thank you, tuberculous is coming. Don't worry. The other thing

645
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: that ties together all history. One of the most prominent

646
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Speaker 1: places or that we have a lot of documentation about

647
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: this happening was in Spain after Franco took power, because

648
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: he was really fucking upfront about it, right, Franco took

649
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: over and Institute of National Catholicism, which was a fascist

650
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: regime that actually, in some ways, as we've talked about,

651
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: actually broke from some of the church hierarchy, from the pope.

652
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Speaker 1: But whatever, Republicans, Marxist anarchists, they all had their children

653
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Speaker 1: stolen since they were not morally competent to raise their kids.

654
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Speaker 1: Three hundred thousand babies in Spain alone between nineteen thirty

655
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Speaker 1: nine and the nineteen nineties were stolen, and this went

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Speaker 1: on after Franco died. Babies are stolen around the globe.

657
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: This is the darkest fucking part of this.

658
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm doing it anyway anywhere the Catholic

659
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: Church was strong enough. I feel, okay, why I'm doing

660
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: all of this. I try not to like focus on

661
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: really bad shit, but I think it's necessary to draw

662
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: a certain attention of things. I think that, like, really

663
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: we need to understand why Sinad O'Connor in nineteen ninety

664
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: two ripped up a picture of the pope because it

665
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: was completely misunderstood at the time. And I think that

666
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: even before I started doing the research, I was like, well,

667
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot, but it's like a lot, a lot,

668
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: a lot, you.

669
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 3: Know, right, It's more than you can even begin to

670
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: grasp unless you like lower yourself into the well. Yeah, totally.

671
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: Not all babies that were sold in this way were stolen.

672
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: Many of them were just the mothers are pressured. They

673
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: are pressured and pressured and pressured. They are pressured by

674
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: society around them, they are pressured by the Church, they

675
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: are pressured by their religion right that it is not

676
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: okay to be an unwed mother in the UK during

677
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: also just now we're going to get to the Protestants

678
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: doing it too. In the UK during the fifty sixties

679
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: and seventies, half a million Christian children were given up

680
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: for adoption. The Salvation Army and the Anglican Church were

681
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: in on it too, not just the Catholics, through a

682
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: combination of pressure and outright theft. I cannot say that

683
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: all of those are like bad adoption, right, but is

684
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: absolutely creating this institution that is doing all of these

685
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: absolutely evil things in Australia. On twenty eleven, the Catholic

686
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: Church apologized for the force adoption of fifteen hundred sorry,

687
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: one five zero, why do I know worse?

688
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: Thank you? One hundred and fifty thousand.

689
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: In twenty eleven, the Catholic Church apologized for the force

690
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 4: adoption of one hundred and fifty thousand babies.

691
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 3: And that's how many they admitted to.

692
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I was just going to start reading the script.

693
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: No great, no, yeah, Sophie, Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

694
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 1: And that is so many fucking people. And that's just Australia, right,

695
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: And that is what the church it admits to, and

696
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: all this happens.

697
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 3: It sounds like most of the people in Australia.

698
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 4: I know. Yeah, I was gonna say, that's like Australia.

699
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: I know, these are not big countries, right, Like it's

700
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: like funny because I'm reading all these numbers in a

701
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: country of like, what are we at like three hundred

702
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: and thirty million people or something in the US right now?

703
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 3: Maybe it's more than that. I don't know.

704
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 2: I believe the correct term is fuck ton.

705
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a fuck ton of people in the US.

706
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: There's not a fuck ton of people in Ireland. Ireland

707
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: is still not back at the numbers that they had

708
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 1: before the famine. There's like as many people in Ireland

709
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: as like half of New York City or something like that.

710
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: And that really puts things into perspective. That's absolutely horrifying. Yeah.

711
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're like half of a New York City

712
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: is what's suffering this?

713
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: And when like you've lost so much population that like

714
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: you never come back from what the eighteen fifties?

715
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah right, right, Yeah, So all this happened in Ireland too. Unmarried,

716
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: pregnant women were shipped off to the laundry to begin

717
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: their new life as often a slave. Maybe not for

718
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: the rest of their lives, maybe for the rest of

719
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: their lives their baby is stolen and sold, often to

720
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: the US or that you were like, man, this can't

721
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: get darker.

722
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 3: Again. I believe in you. Thank you, Thank you.

723
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: This is like one of the only times I'm going

724
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: to make a content warning. I'm going to talk about

725
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: some babies that die for the next little bit, and

726
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, and I will try not to be I

727
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: try not to focus on details about that kind of thing.

728
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 3: It's funny because I'm on the horrible things happening to

729
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 3: babies beat via the Satanic panic. But these are all

730
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: imaginary babies, you know, So it's a very different world

731
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 3: out there.

732
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: It's like the Satanists of her accuse of killing like

733
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: five babies in the Catholic church is like what we

734
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: do that shit every day.

735
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 3: Right, They're just like, look, you get a system, you

736
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: do it kind of you got the government in on it,

737
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: like beat a screep, yeah, God's sake.

738
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: So the town of Twam in County Galway, Ireland, we

739
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: are going to get in this story. There's a cool

740
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: person of the week. There's the woman who uncovered what

741
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 1: happened there.

742
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 3: And we're going to talk about her. Thank Heavens.

743
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: Saint Mary's Mother and Baby Home of Twam. It's not

744
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: quite one of the laundries. It's one of this larger

745
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: network of like place to show up if you're an

746
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: onwed mother, and it's a place for ONWB mothers to

747
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: give birth. And if you're a repeat customer, they'll send

748
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: you the laundries because you're not to be trusted. The

749
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: building first opened in eighteen forty six as a workhouse,

750
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: and then it became a place for the starving to

751
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 1: die during the famine. This place is just fucking cursed.

752
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: After the War of Independence ended in a treaty, it

753
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: became a barracks for the pro treaty side of the

754
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 1: Irish Civil War. So one morning six Republicans were shot

755
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: to death for dreaming of an actually free Ireland here

756
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: on the grounds, betrayed by their previous comrades. Then in

757
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,720
Speaker 1: the theocratic model of Ireland, it was a state funded

758
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: but Catholic run place for disgraced women. If you got

759
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: knocked up you could try and get to England. Otherwise

760
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: you might wand up in twemb where if you misbehaved

761
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: there was one major threat you'd be sent to the laundries.

762
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: Behave well and once your kid is old enough to

763
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: steal from you and sell, they'll let you go. Your

764
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: baby goes off to England or more likely.

765
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 3: To the US.

766
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: Some mothers spent their entire lives tracking down their children,

767
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: or trying to. Sometimes they would find their children and

768
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: be unable to reclaim them. Some children who stayed unadopted

769
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: spent their lives trying to find their parents. The home

770
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: wasn't closed until nineteen sixty one. It was one of

771
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: thirteen such places in Ireland, the last one closed, and

772
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: I believe nineteen ninety eight one in seven kids who

773
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: was born in that in these places died there. This

774
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: is twice the mortality rate of Ireland at that time,

775
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: and the bodies in Twam weren't discovered until the early

776
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: twenty tens. Babies were sold to the US for three

777
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: thousand dollars apiece. The children were called home children and

778
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: they were like picked on by the community. The woman

779
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: who actually did all the investigation in it like has

780
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: an anecdote about how she like picked on a home

781
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: child as a kid and feels guilty about it ever since.

782
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 1: She gave one of the home children a like piece

783
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 1: of candy, like but it was just an empty wrapper,

784
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: and they like laughed when they could open. The fucking

785
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: children are awful and even if you're a shitty kid,

786
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: You can grow up to be amazing like this woman,

787
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, these kids, the

788
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: home children. They were used as test subjects for at

789
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: least thirteen different medical experiments, mostly vaccines, but also formula

790
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: milk from nineteen thirty to nineteen seventy five. They were

791
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: medically neglected, died at astonishing rates, and when they died,

792
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: their bodies were thrown into unused septic systems or a

793
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: specific one. This was not a septic tank, a sort

794
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: of an unused sewer. Some of them were sold to

795
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: medical schools. That is okay, that is the worst thing

796
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: that I'm going to talk about all week and hopefully

797
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: for the next fucking several months.

798
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's good to know. It's all smooth sailing.

799
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah and okay, So the horrors were revealed by an

800
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: Irish historian named Catherine Corlis who grew up in twem

801
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: and once gave a kid an empty piece of candy.

802
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: And she's fucking cool. She's about seventy now. She's vegetarian

803
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: and sober and wears all black. So what I'm saying

804
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: is that vegan, straight edge goths have been doing cool

805
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: shit since forever.

806
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 3: It's so true.

807
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: I love running across like all of the Like before

808
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 1: there was like a culture around like veganism and straightedge

809
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: and all that shit. I'm not straightedge, but I am vegan.

810
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: I do are all black. I love that I keep

811
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: running across in history like all of these people who

812
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: do amazing shit, who are like, no, it's just like

813
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: the lady who wears all black and doesn't even meet,

814
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,959
Speaker 1: does drink, you know.

815
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 3: You know, just feel good.

816
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

817
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: I don't have a word for it, but I guess

818
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 3: like it. Yeah, totally.

819
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: So the way she found these the dead children, a

820
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: few bones had been found by kids. There's a story

821
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: about kids in the nineteen seventies like running around with

822
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: a skull on a stick that they found in a field,

823
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: and then their parents had to be like, that's not

824
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: a Halloween direct decoration. That's not plastic, you know.

825
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: And then there's probably a dad who was like, bet

826
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: that'll save us a bit of money this Halloween. Let's

827
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 3: end it up in the yard exactly, And everyone would say, oh,

828
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: those are bodies of the famine victims, right, But it

829
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 3: didn't add up to Catherine. So she managed to track

830
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 3: down seven hundred and ninety six death certificates without burial records,

831
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: and since everyone in Ireland at the time is like

832
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: the same fucking name, They're all like John and James

833
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: and Margaret and shit, it's like hard to correlate all

834
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: this stuff. So she does an incredible amount of work

835
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 3: on this. So she sets to work finding the bodies.

836
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 3: She finds a modern map of Twam and an eighteen

837
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 3: ninety map, and she like traces over between the two.

838
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: She finds where the kids had found some bones. It

839
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 3: was on top of it an old Victorian era septic

840
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 3: system that had been discontinued in the nineteen thirties. So

841
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 3: she dug it up and there were the remains. She

842
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 3: self financed the whole thing, while everyone in town was like,

843
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: don't do this.

844
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: You have to stop. Do not go digging up old issues.

845
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: We just want to like, let the past be the past.

846
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: He's like that lady who found Richard the third under

847
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 3: a car park.

848
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: Oh, Mike, I knew that. I knew that someone found him,

849
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: but I don't know anything about the story around it.

850
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it was just similarly I don't know the

851
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 3: story that well, but it was I remember from following

852
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 3: it at the time that it was I think an

853
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: independent historian who just like had done some research and

854
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 3: was like, I really think Richard the Third is under

855
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: this car park and we were like, all right, whatever,

856
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 3: and by god, she was right that rules.

857
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, she self financed the whole thing. It was

858
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: something of an open secret possibly that everyone was like,

859
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: don't go digging it into this, you know. She started

860
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: releasing articles about it in twenty twelve to like no fanfare,

861
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: but eventually in twenty fourteen it caught national attention and

862
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: she became like, this was like the biggest fucking deal, right,

863
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: and the rules that became a big deal. It's a

864
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: shame that it had to write for her work. She

865
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: was invited to a reception with Pope Francis when he

866
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: visited Ireland, like she was invited to the papal mass.

867
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: She turned it down and instead went to a vigil

868
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: outside for the dead children. She's received all kinds of

869
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: awards for her work, which she deserves, and the last

870
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: articles I could find on the matter because things like

871
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: drop out of the news cycle. Right. She was fighting

872
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: for the kids to be exhumed and properly buried, and

873
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: the Archbishop of the region did support that wasn't like, no,

874
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: you have to leave them there or whatever, you know.

875
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: And she's spent her time since helping survivors of the

876
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: home babies, like the home babies who survived, track their origins.

877
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: She helps them find their parents, and she also helps

878
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: parents find their children and shit. Most of the mothers

879
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: went to England to be away from shame and condemnation,

880
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 1: and the former Tasia, the Prime Minister of Ireland, Enda Kenny,

881
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: had an almost good speech about it during the official

882
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: acknowledgment by the Irish government, and I want to read

883
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: a chunk of it because actually I think it's really interesting.

884
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: No nuns broke into our homes to kidnap our children.

885
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: We gave them up to what we convinced ourselves was

886
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: the nuns care. We gave them up, maybe to spare

887
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: them the savagery of gossip, the wink in the elbow,

888
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: language of delight, in which the holier than thos were

889
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: particularly fluent. We gave them up because of our perverse,

890
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: in fact morbid relationship with what is called respectability. Indeed,

891
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: for a while it seems as if in Ireland our

892
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: women had the amazing capacity to self impregnate for their trouble,

893
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: we took their babies and gifted them, sold them, trafficked them,

894
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: starved them, neglected them, or denied them to the point

895
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: of their dis appearance from our hearts, our site, our country, and,

896
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: in the case of TWAM and possibly other places, from

897
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: life itself. Yeah, it's kind of funny because I cried

898
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: when I read that, and then I immediately read all

899
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: the critiques from feminists about the reason I say it

900
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: was an almost good speech is that it covers one

901
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: important part of it, the cultural part. Right, this like

902
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: respectability politics, but it doesn't talk about the fact that

903
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 1: women were often physically forced to enter these places, and

904
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: that the government itself has a lot of blame for this.

905
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: And I know you were thinking, you're thinking, surely all

906
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: of this story about adoption it doesn't tie into US racism.

907
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: But let me tell you no, never, nothing ever does

908
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 1: it does. But first, the other thing about the US

909
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: culture is that we're advertising supported. We haven't done a

910
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: second advert. I'm doing this correctly. Well, here's your second

911
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 1: ad break, brought to you by a pike, not the fish,

912
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: but the really really long spear.

913
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: And we're back.

914
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: There's another side of the Catholic adoption program. In some

915
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: places and times, the priests and nuns were trying their

916
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: hardest to provide for abandoned children and save them literally

917
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: from capitalist exploitation, because there's always wherever there's people doing things,

918
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: there's people doing it really good and really bad, you know.

919
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: And they ran up against us racism in the process,

920
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: because by the Catholic teaching, when people are doing it right,

921
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: racism is nonsensical. All Catholics are Catholic, and beyond that,

922
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: all humans are created by the Creator and are worthy

923
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: of salvation or whatever. Right. There was this thing going

924
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: on in New York City at the turn of the century,

925
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: well for about seventy years before the turn. It went

926
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: on for a really fucking long time. Again, lots of

927
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: people are doing evil shit. Private for profit Protestant charities

928
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: were literally snatching Irish kids off the street, using truancy

929
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: laws and ethnic anti Irish hatred to get away from it,

930
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: and then shipping them out west to be adopted by

931
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 1: people who wanted them for child labor.

932
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 3: Well, it's just about, what are you supposed to do?

933
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 3: Pay for someone to work on the farm? Yeah?

934
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 4: What? What?

935
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 3: What?

936
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 4: What?

937
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: A horrible thing you just read.

938
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where Dorothy came from. By one estimate, one

939
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: hundred and ten thousand Irish kids were stolen from the

940
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: streets of New York by these programs over the course

941
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: of about seventy years.

942
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 3: Seventy years. Yeah, it's a very long standing program, I know.

943
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: And it's it's kind of mushy because it's not like

944
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: one like what it was the Catholic Church can be.

945
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: Like Catholic Church had this thing, they called it this,

946
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: they did this, right, they would come and go. But

947
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: stealing kids is forever. H God, it's so funny too,

948
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: right because like in the modern coext like people use

949
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: fear of kidnapping to push all kinds of horrible agendas.

950
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: But this does this fucking happened, and this was seen

951
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: by the Catholics as an attempt at cultural genocide. You're

952
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: stealing all of our children and sending them away to

953
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: be raised by people outside of our religion. Now it

954
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: seem to have that effect. Of course, the Catholic Church

955
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 1: is also doing the exact same thing in like the

956
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: Canadian schools, where they're raising people to be Catholic and

957
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: stealing them away from indigenous practices and stuff, but it's

958
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: still really fucking not good. So the Catholic Church had

959
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: its own system going, and in this instance, at least

960
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: according to the articles I read, they tried to do

961
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: it just and well. They would set up these charities

962
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: where if you have an unwanted child, and of course

963
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: they've created the preconditions by which children could be unwanted

964
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: just for being bastards or whatever. Right, but if you

965
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: have an unwanted child, you can drop them off at

966
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: this charity and the charity will care for them for

967
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 1: three years, so they have a chance to come back

968
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: and get them if you want them, if you change

969
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: your mind, at which point after three years they are

970
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: shipped off for adoption. Wow, I do not believe that

971
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: the children at this particular one were sold because the

972
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,479
Speaker 1: I'll get to it, and specifically they tried to send

973
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: them out to be adopted before they were old enough

974
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: to work, even by the standards of the time. Right,

975
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 1: so it's like mostly like three year olds and shit,

976
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: who it's just hard to make them do work. I'm

977
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: not even going to make a child labor joke. And

978
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: so a bunch of Irish priests and nuns traveled out

979
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: west to specifically vet families and towns where they could

980
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: take these children, and they traveled with the children to

981
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: drop them off. It wasn't just like see a later kid,

982
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: and they almost got killed for it because of racism.

983
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 1: And this wasn't anti Irish bigotry, right, it was anti

984
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: Mexican bigotry because most of the Catholics out west where

985
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: Mexican or Mexican American. The Church didn't care what color someone, right,

986
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: these are Catholic families. That is the continuation that they're

987
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: attempting to do, is that Catholic children are raised by

988
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: Catholic families. The point is the immortal soul of the kids,

989
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: not the color of their parents. So nineteen hundred they

990
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: showed up to a small mining town with a bunch

991
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: of children who needed families, and vetted each family and

992
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: gave them to the families. The reason I think that

993
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: they weren't selling these kids is because these families are poor.

994
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: Shit and actually, like this comes up in court against

995
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: the Catholics for having dared give kids to poor families.

996
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: These kids and the reason this is so interesting, this

997
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: is a kind of a This is a rabbit hole

998
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: I fell down during this episode. But I think it's

999
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: really interesting this story because these kids weren't quite white

1000
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: in New York City. They were absolutely a step above

1001
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: black and brown, but they were Irish until they got

1002
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: on the train. As soon as they're taken out of

1003
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: that context. To the wasps, skin color is all that mattered.

1004
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: Happy white kids being raised by Mexican families was too

1005
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: much for them. So with a monsoon raging, an armed

1006
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: mob of Protestants went door to door and stole the children.

1007
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the Irish priest was run out of

1008
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: town by a lynch mob of four hundred people, which

1009
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 1: is more than half the white population of the town.

1010
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: The nuns stayed behind, successfully guessing that their gender would

1011
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: save them from the mob, which is brave as shit,

1012
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,399
Speaker 1: because that could have gone not at all the way

1013
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: that it did, right, and they managed to rescue some

1014
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: but not all, of the kids. And it was this

1015
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: really fucking dark thing where basically the rich fox like

1016
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: the mine over owner or whatever, would get their pick

1017
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: of the kids in exchange for letting the rest go.

1018
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine having to make this call. Nineteen of

1019
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: the kids stayed with kidnappers, twenty one were saved by

1020
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: the nuns God. This was the biggest news story in

1021
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: the region. All of the papers were against the Catholics.

1022
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: They ran anti Catholic and anti Mexican slurs constantly. No

1023
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: charges werever filed against the kidnappers, and the Arizona Supreme

1024
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: Court ruled that the Irish priest had picked bad homes

1025
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: because he hadn't taken racism into account, or rather that

1026
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 1: he had gone against the cultural norms in how he

1027
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: placed the kids.

1028
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 3: Yes, you got a factor in racism to your decision making.

1029
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you doing thinking about what are you

1030
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: doing pod the immortal soul of the kids based on

1031
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: the theological framework that you exist within.

1032
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: Just you know, it's also fascinating to be like, this

1033
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 3: is a bridge too far. We sanctioned the kidnapping and

1034
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 3: redistribution of children, but not to Mexicans.

1035
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, right, these kids can't even work.

1036
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:58,479
Speaker 3: What are you doing.

1037
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: There's one story that might be apocryphal and might not be,

1038
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: but exists in the town's history where one of the

1039
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: orphans escaped her captors and moved in with her Mexican parents,

1040
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: who then like ran into the storm, like out into

1041
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: the storm, and then returned years later, which is like

1042
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: mysteriously they have like a red haired teenage daughter. Hm,

1043
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 1: and this is that's my Not all Catholics were bad

1044
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: to kids aside, because it's an interesting story I ran across.

1045
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: But now, well, soon we're gonna go back to the

1046
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: Catholic Church for portraying unheard of evils in Ireland and

1047
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: the people who fought them. Lots of stories of prison breaks,

1048
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: and we'll tie it into Shenade O'Connor on Wednesday. Don

1049
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: don dont Yeah.

1050
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 4: I thought you were winning for that or some other

1051
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 4: cool sound effect that I'm qualified to make.

1052
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, Sarah, I think you did.

1053
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: Sarah Sarah. Do you have any pluggables for us?

1054
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 4: Oh?

1055
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 3: Oh, I should really have something ready. Will you accept

1056
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 3: a book?

1057
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1058
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 3: Do I have to plug something that I'm doing?

1059
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1060
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: Sure, it's a random thing I like. Okay, besides like

1061
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: children selling organizations.

1062
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, No, I don't work for Wayfair anymore, so

1063
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 3: cle I last week read Tina Brown's The Vanity Fair Diaries,

1064
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: and it's like the book I've enjoyed most in quite

1065
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 3: a while because it's her actual diaries from when she

1066
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 3: was running Vanity Fair in the eighties and everyone is

1067
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,040
Speaker 3: in it. It's just like one of those murals in

1068
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 3: a restaurant worth of like eighties New York people running

1069
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 3: around and reading is fun when it's all gossip. That's

1070
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 3: what I've realized.

1071
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. I also want to just shout

1072
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: out again the podcast you're wrong about. If you like

1073
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: cool people did cool stuff, you will like. And I

1074
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: don't have any you might like. You just will like

1075
00:57:58,040 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 1: Sarah Marshalls.

1076
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 3: Your totally sister podcast. Yes, yeah, absolutely, yeah so at

1077
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 3: Double Dip. Yeah, and I have a substack. I quit Twitter.

1078
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 3: That's my big news. If you see me on Twitter,

1079
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 3: I have gone against my own divine oath and what.

1080
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: Is this Twitter?

1081
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 4: Oh?

1082
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 3: Sorry, I quit X.

1083
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: I joined Twitter in two thousand and fucking nine, but

1084
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: I never signed up for X, so fuck it.

1085
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 3: I'm out.

1086
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: And if you want to see me talk about the

1087
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Speaker 1: things I talk about on you used to talk about

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Speaker 1: on Twitter when Twitter existed, like more context about history

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Speaker 1: stuff and also preparedness and politics and all that shit,

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Speaker 1: you can find me on substack. It's Marter Kiljoy dot

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Speaker 1: substack dot com. But you're not going to type that in.

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Speaker 1: You're going to type in Marder, Killjoy, Substack into into

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Speaker 1: Google and you can follow me there, and half of

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Speaker 1: my content is free, and then my more personal like

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Speaker 1: memoory type stuff is for paid subscribers, but there will

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Speaker 1: always be a lot of free content there. That's what

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Speaker 1: I have to plug, Sophie, hmmm, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: plug today your ears from hearing about bad things.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that too.

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Speaker 4: I would like to plug a podcast hosted by one

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Speaker 4: Prop called Hood Politics with Prop on this very network,

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Speaker 4: cool Zone Media, because it is really good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Prop has been putting out some amazing episodes lately, and

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Speaker 4: his editor Matt also makes custom music for every single episode.

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Speaker 4: And they are both insanely talented and we're lucky to

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Speaker 4: note them, and you're lucky to be able to listen

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Speaker 4: to them for free or listen to them add free

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Speaker 4: on cooler Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: A Rah, Wow, that was so good. That was so

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Speaker 2: fucking good.

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Speaker 4: Ian, please please please tell me offline and how good

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Speaker 4: that was.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Anyways, we'll be back next week.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, we'll be back Wednesday. Damn, I was doing

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Speaker 2: so well. We'll be back Wednesday with part two.

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Speaker 1: Dun Dun, Dun, dun, dun.

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Speaker 2: Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of

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Speaker 2: cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool Zone Media,

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Speaker 2: visit our website.

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Speaker 4: Coolzonmedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 4: Apple

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Speaker 2: Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.