WEBVTT - HBO's The Last of Us Ep. 3

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<v Speaker 1>Warning. This podcast contains spoilers for HBO's The Last of

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<v Speaker 1>Us episode three. Plus at the end of that conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have a spoiler filled conversation that will

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<v Speaker 1>spoil the Last of Us video game. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>have finished the Last of this video game, you will

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<v Speaker 1>be able to listen to that conversation. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't care about that, you will also be able to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to that conversation. Don't worry, We're also going to

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<v Speaker 1>call that out very very loudly, very very obviously when

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<v Speaker 1>we get to that point in the conversation to give

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<v Speaker 1>you an opportunity to hit stop and move on. You

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<v Speaker 1>have been warned. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Rosey Night and welcome to x ray Vision, the

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<v Speaker 1>Crooked Media podcast where we dived it's your favorite shows, movies, comics,

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<v Speaker 1>and pop culture.

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<v Speaker 2>In this episode, we are gonna be digging into the

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<v Speaker 2>airlock on one of the most heartbreaking episodes of TV

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<v Speaker 2>sure that you will see in a long time, The

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<v Speaker 2>Last of Us Episode three. I'm Ready, but I'm not Ready.

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<v Speaker 1>It's definitely a like a little bit of a devastating

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<v Speaker 1>hit to take on a Sunday, like at ten o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>at night to like turn that off and be like, fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>now I gotta go to sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what do I do with my life now? And

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<v Speaker 2>in that out we got a very exciting Star Wars

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<v Speaker 2>theory from one of our lissons.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's get into it. We're shipping out of the

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<v Speaker 1>airlock and into the beautiful, scenic streets of bill'stown for

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<v Speaker 1>the heart wrenching third episode of HBO's The Last of Us.

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<v Speaker 1>What an incredible hour of television title A long long

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<v Speaker 1>time written by Craig, isn't directed by Peter Horr. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just an incredible hour of storytelling. We opened ten miles

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<v Speaker 1>west of Boston. It's early morning. Joel as his as

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<v Speaker 1>is his extremely compartmentalized way, has gone off alone to

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<v Speaker 1>mourn Tests. He makes a cairn on the banks of

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<v Speaker 1>a river and he goes back to the campsite that

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<v Speaker 1>he's sharing with Ellie. Ellie is torn by the loss

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<v Speaker 1>of Tests and her potential culpability for that, but she's

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<v Speaker 1>holding it together and already just seeing them. There's signs

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<v Speaker 1>that Joel is warming to her, despite the fact that yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't want treating her with frostiness. He's letting her

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<v Speaker 1>user it's jacket as a blanket. He shares his food,

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<v Speaker 1>presumably tests food.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's whether it's an uncomfortable alliance. But Joel he

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<v Speaker 2>he remembers what tests his lost words. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he knows this was important tests even if he kind

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<v Speaker 2>of resents Ellie for.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's a working man, and he's a man

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<v Speaker 1>that will do the job whether or not it's a

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<v Speaker 1>job he enjoys, you know, doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Really good way out She has very Joel, he's he's

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<v Speaker 2>never really changed over these twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, it's like, did he love working as a contractor?

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<v Speaker 1>I doubt it.

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<v Speaker 2>Did he do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Did he do it? He did it? Ellie says, I've

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<v Speaker 1>never been in the woods, more bugs than I thought

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make small talk. Joel doesn't want to make

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<v Speaker 1>small talk, does want to make any kind of talk.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't want to be talking talking.

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<v Speaker 1>But Ellie clearly wants to like preempt any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>test talk and get something off her chest. She points out,

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<v Speaker 1>And I think pretty I.

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<v Speaker 2>Loved this moment. I thought it was like it really

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<v Speaker 2>sets up who Ellie is.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, she basically says Hey, don't blame me for this,

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<v Speaker 1>like that was terrible what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, you made a you has chose to call

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<v Speaker 2>you wanted Joel battery or whatever, and you made a

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<v Speaker 2>choice and that's what happened. So don't blame me.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you didn't have to take me. You made

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<v Speaker 1>that choice. None of this is my fault. And they

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<v Speaker 1>move on in silence. It's a five hour walk to

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<v Speaker 1>wherever they're headed. Ellie asks you all if he has

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<v Speaker 1>gone this way a lot? Just trying to make conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>She asks about the scar in his head, which he

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<v Speaker 1>says he got in a shootout. The guy missed and

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<v Speaker 1>he missed as well. And she's like, well is that

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<v Speaker 1>you know? Is that because you suck at shooting or.

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<v Speaker 2>She's like, oh, but you're allowed to have a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>The gun, She's like, where is can I? I notice

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<v Speaker 1>you have two guns, so what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>How's a gun?

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<v Speaker 1>There's two of us. I have no gun. You have

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<v Speaker 1>two guns? Can we share? No? That's a hard note

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<v Speaker 1>on absolutely on firearm socialism. They arrive at a Comby's,

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<v Speaker 1>a Cumberland farms staple of New England life.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say that was that was the you've

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<v Speaker 2>been the Trumpies. Yeah, like this is like they were like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is real.

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<v Speaker 1>Joel is like, I got a cachet of stuff hidden

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<v Speaker 1>here where you need it. And here we get a

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<v Speaker 1>moment ripped from the game. Ellie sees a Mortal Kombat game. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a Mortal Kombat game in the in the show not

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<v Speaker 1>what was it?

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<v Speaker 3>Ninja something, Angel Eyes the Angel Knives was the main character,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was kind of a very brutal video game

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<v Speaker 3>with like a black lead who had like Wolverine type

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<v Speaker 3>clause and she and Ellie.

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<v Speaker 1>Knows everything about Mortal Kombat, which they don't give the

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<v Speaker 1>backstory here, but I would assume it's the same from

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<v Speaker 1>the game, which is she knew somebody who knew the

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<v Speaker 1>Federal Orphanage who knew all about it, and she just

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<v Speaker 1>really wishes she could play it. Meanwhile, Joel is like,

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<v Speaker 1>where I myself? And Ellie calls him out on it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, I'm zeroing it in on it all right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like zeroing it on wherever I hid my stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So Ellie heads off. This reminded me of twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>days later in the moment where they stop at a

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<v Speaker 1>like a roadside gas station killian Murphy goes off on

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<v Speaker 1>his own just to do whatever. Ellie heads off on

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<v Speaker 1>her own. She finds a trap door, she goes down

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<v Speaker 1>it clavi a plan, great plan. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>she was planning to get up quickly if she needed to,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's fine. She finds a fresh box of tampons,

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<v Speaker 1>which is total score.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's like what the million nola's in

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<v Speaker 2>the zombia worth.

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<v Speaker 1>More than baggies probably, And then she hears the trademark

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<v Speaker 1>sound of an infected somewhere and she swings her flashlight

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<v Speaker 1>over and there is one trapped by collapse debris. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is a really interesting moment where Ellie takes the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity provided by the safety the fact that this effect

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<v Speaker 1>is trapped in the privacy, to like test whether she

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<v Speaker 1>can kill a thing. Basically, you know, can I kill

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<v Speaker 1>this thing?

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<v Speaker 2>And is it really does this kind of like really

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<v Speaker 2>clinical moment where she cuts open its head to see

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<v Speaker 2>what it's underneath, and because also I think as well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that moment of self discovery, of wondering what would

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<v Speaker 2>happen to her or is that already inside her?

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<v Speaker 1>Like this?

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<v Speaker 2>But it also has this scariness to it, of that

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<v Speaker 2>disconnect from humanity of a kid who's grown up around this,

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<v Speaker 2>who can just cut open a living being's face and

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<v Speaker 2>then you kind of wait, and there's this moment of

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<v Speaker 2>silence that almost goes too long before she actually kills it,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's kind of this connection. Oh, it's really creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really resonated with me in that. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure as a kid people have had the experience

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<v Speaker 1>of like the kids in the friend group who are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's burn caterpillars with a magnifying glass or let's kill this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the creepy kids, the creepy kids, right, And it felt like,

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<v Speaker 1>here is this moment Joel's not around, nobody's around where

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<v Speaker 1>she can kind of let the creepy kid out, especially.

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<v Speaker 2>Because she's around these adults who kill people all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's this boundary that she's testing here.

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<v Speaker 1>But obviously I do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I do it? And the infect it is trapped

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<v Speaker 2>like an animal, kind of trapped under glows. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>really intense moment. It really jury very absolutely delivers on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's that moment where she points the blade

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<v Speaker 1>of the knife at it to see like, is it

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be afraid? Is there any recognition that it's in

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<v Speaker 1>danger right now? And then you sensed an almost relief

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<v Speaker 1>that there wasn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Meanwhile, back upstairs, Joel

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<v Speaker 1>found his stuff and now he's hiding his assault rifle

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<v Speaker 1>because there's no AMMO and so it's basically useless. So

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, wait, hold on a second, you're just like

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<v Speaker 1>throwing it in a hole. Can I have it? Joel

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<v Speaker 1>says no. They walk on. They pass an airplane crash.

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<v Speaker 1>Joel insists, if flying wasn't actually that cool, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>that great, it was pretty You had to take off

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<v Speaker 1>your shoes, which I can't even explain to you what

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<v Speaker 1>that was about. That's the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a whole different time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And like you had to sit in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>seat and pay twelve dollars or whatever it is for

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<v Speaker 1>a for a sandwich, which do you even understand what

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<v Speaker 1>money was?

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<v Speaker 2>Many?

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<v Speaker 1>Does that ring a bell at all? And Allie's like, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to go up in the sky.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he's like, and they got to go up

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<v Speaker 2>in the sky too, and they crashed, So classic optimistic

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<v Speaker 2>Joel that.

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<v Speaker 1>It reminds me of Station eleven when they're explaining the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet to the kids, like so you could just like

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<v Speaker 1>look up anything.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just like having every book in the world

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<v Speaker 2>just in your pocket.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, yeah, it was Actually I guess now when

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<v Speaker 1>you say it that way, it's pretty cool. He then

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<v Speaker 1>they start talking about like, Okay, what was the fall like,

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<v Speaker 1>and a conversation actually that we've been having in our

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<v Speaker 1>discord and have and fans have been having, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>how did this thing start? Like if the in fact

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<v Speaker 1>you have to bite people, it must have there. How

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<v Speaker 1>did who's a chicken in the egg?

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<v Speaker 2>Question?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>But what Joel kind of reveals, Hey, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>different from the game is this was like a day

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<v Speaker 2>in the game, it's over months. But here he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>it was dun, dundun. It was in the theory is

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<v Speaker 2>which we've talked about. I don't want to say we.

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<v Speaker 1>Were right.

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<v Speaker 4>Our discord discord was definitely right, but basically like it

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<v Speaker 4>was in it had been in the food, it had

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<v Speaker 4>been in the wheat, and people started to get sick

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<v Speaker 4>and it just happened really quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>So something I think is really interesting about this reveal

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<v Speaker 2>is that means that where we saw the doctor in

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<v Speaker 2>Jakarta last episode, that was probably zero. That was probably

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<v Speaker 2>ground zero, and that was probably the beginning. And by

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<v Speaker 2>the time that Sarah and Joel and Tommy heard about it,

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<v Speaker 2>that was when it was starting to spread.

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<v Speaker 1>So he says, yeah, like it probably was a very

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<v Speaker 1>very basic food stuff got into the food supply, hit

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<v Speaker 1>supermarket shelves on a Thursday, this is two thousand and three.

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<v Speaker 1>People bought it, used it, made raisin cookies out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>biscuits biscuits, and infected themselves. And then the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>late Friday, September twenty six, two thousand and three, the

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<v Speaker 1>shit absolutely hit the fan and by Monday it was

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<v Speaker 1>all gone. They later cut across They come to a

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<v Speaker 1>stretch of the path where Joel's like, let's cut across

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<v Speaker 1>the woods. So there's something up there that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want you to see. And all He's like, what, like

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<v Speaker 1>you murder a guy? Like is it gonna be? Is

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<v Speaker 1>it something that can hurt me? He's like no, He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>then I want to see it. So they go and

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<v Speaker 1>it is a mass grave. And what we learn is

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<v Speaker 1>that in the chaos and confusion of Outbreak day post

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<v Speaker 1>outbreak Day, and this is now a week after outbreak Day.

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<v Speaker 1>Joel says, this happened. The military went small towns across

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<v Speaker 1>the country, evacuating people, telling them you're going to ACZ

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<v Speaker 1>and that was true. But if there was no room

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<v Speaker 1>at the QZ, you were going to a mask grave

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<v Speaker 1>where you're going to get gunned down. And that was it.

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<v Speaker 1>And Allie says, why why not just like leave them?

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<v Speaker 1>And Joel says, because it's people. In fact, it exactly

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<v Speaker 1>x ray Vision will be back, and we're back. We

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<v Speaker 1>flash back to nine thirty, two thousand and three. Federal

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<v Speaker 1>forces are evacuating a town, which, man, they got that

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<v Speaker 1>together pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh they were ready.

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<v Speaker 1>They were ready.

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<v Speaker 2>The conspiracy theorists probably have a lot of thoughts about

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<v Speaker 2>how quickly they were able to militarize and evacuate these

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Of questions, right just to pause here, It's like number one,

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<v Speaker 1>do the president un any bread? Like on Thursday night?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like how in the the Cavilian leadership, like

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<v Speaker 1>who what's left do you? How do you get let's

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<v Speaker 1>say this did happen and you're telling up some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of military force Okay, you got to round people up

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<v Speaker 1>and taking the qus and those that don't make it,

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<v Speaker 1>you just kind of I'm asking you to be a

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<v Speaker 1>mass murderer. You have to imagine that, like a large

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<v Speaker 1>number of people wouldn't do this right, I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Say that my cynical twenty twenty three opinion, it would

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<v Speaker 2>depend where you were getting them from. There are certain

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<v Speaker 2>places in the way that they militarized the country where

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<v Speaker 2>there would probably be people who would be more eager.

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<v Speaker 2>And also it's a life or death situation, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's could you do that? I mean also, is it

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<v Speaker 2>a real martial law? Is the president still there ordering

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<v Speaker 2>that or are these just segments of the army that

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<v Speaker 2>are left? Is there? I would love to know that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the I find this all the storytelling choices

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<v Speaker 2>in this show so brave. I'm so happy. From the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>I said I want season one to be the first game,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what they're doing. But I could also watch

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<v Speaker 2>a whole series just about the establishment of FEDERA. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and how who is in charge, who's making those decisions,

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<v Speaker 2>who's setting up the qzs, How would they know? How

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<v Speaker 2>quickly could they do that? What was a QZ and

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<v Speaker 2>how did they get to be the places that they were,

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<v Speaker 2>Like was it just a space in town? And how

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<v Speaker 2>did you keep the infected out? And before you had

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<v Speaker 2>the tests, how did you know who was infected? There's

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<v Speaker 2>just so many interesting questions and that kind of brutality

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<v Speaker 2>of these like mass graves is like, is just so horrific.

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<v Speaker 2>But it seems, as Joe said that that was basically

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<v Speaker 2>as normal as anything else at the time, Like it

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<v Speaker 2>just began and people accepted it.

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<v Speaker 1>George W. Bush about to eat a piece of toast

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<v Speaker 1>and a secret service guy and Andy Carr come up

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<v Speaker 1>and solid fucking toast out of his hand. So we

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<v Speaker 1>flashed back to September thirty, two thousand and three towns

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<v Speaker 1>being evacuated. We see on the evacuation truck the woman

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<v Speaker 1>and her child that eventually are going to be skeletons

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<v Speaker 1>in this mass grave and watching all of this from

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<v Speaker 1>his underground bunker which has is fully self sufficient and

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<v Speaker 1>it has like full CCTV TV and a secret entrance.

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<v Speaker 1>Below the basement is a bill and he's been waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for this. He's been waiting for years. He thought this

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<v Speaker 1>would happen someday and Unfortunately he was right. He whispers,

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<v Speaker 1>not today, you knew world order, Jack boot Fox.

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<v Speaker 2>And they come knocking on his door. They kick down

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<v Speaker 2>his door, presumably, and they don't find it. He's deep

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<v Speaker 2>in the basement. He's safe.

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<v Speaker 1>So the coast is clear and Bill emerges and it's

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<v Speaker 1>party time. It's time to set up shop. He gets

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<v Speaker 1>his neighbor's boat. He rips everything out of the boat

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<v Speaker 1>so he can use it as like a trailer. He's

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<v Speaker 1>gathering supplies from home depot. He's getting all the best wines.

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<v Speaker 1>He's taking everything from the grocery store that he needs.

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<v Speaker 1>He goes to the nearby power plant and make sure

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<v Speaker 1>the gas is on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's just loving life. He's setting up this whole

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<v Speaker 2>street to become his home. It's kind of idyllic post

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<v Speaker 2>apocalyptic suburb.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a beautiful deal. He sets up a defensive perimeter

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<v Speaker 1>anchored by an electric fence. He got the electricity on

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<v Speaker 1>with the generator. He's got lots of traps, man traps,

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<v Speaker 1>fire traps.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got traps the shooting zombies if they come close.

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<v Speaker 1>He's saws, circular saw traps. This guy is he loves

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<v Speaker 1>making the traps. He's a saw I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was gonna say he's he's got big jigsaw energy. He

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<v Speaker 2>would do well as a serial killer if the apocalypse

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<v Speaker 2>had not happened.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's also a gourmand. He plants all. He enjoys

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<v Speaker 1>the finding things in lot chickens. He's got some pork shoulder,

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<v Speaker 1>pork butt, ready to wine, sautee it up in a

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<v Speaker 1>in a beautiful wine sauce. He's he's living very fat.

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<v Speaker 1>And he goes on like this for four years, scouring

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<v Speaker 1>the nearby area for supplies when he means and returning

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<v Speaker 1>to his little fortress town. And then one day he's

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<v Speaker 1>alerted by his security system that an effected he thinks

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<v Speaker 1>has fallen into one of his his pit traps around

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<v Speaker 1>the perimeter. He goes over to see what's what's occurred,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a guy who is named Frank. And Frank

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<v Speaker 1>has just escaped a couple days ago, escaped from the

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<v Speaker 1>Baltimore QZ, which apparently has been overrun, and he's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to make his way to Boston. And he was in

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<v Speaker 1>a party of ten and now it's a party of one,

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<v Speaker 1>just Frank and Bill. Very very wary, gun always at

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<v Speaker 1>the ready, let's Frank out of the pit. And then Frank,

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<v Speaker 1>who we are going to learn is just a very

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<v Speaker 1>very charming person who is eager to make connections with

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<v Speaker 1>other people and eager to show his worth as a

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<v Speaker 1>person who makes connections, makes a connection with Bill and says, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of starving and if I could just like

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<v Speaker 1>have a meal, that would be great, and Bill really

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<v Speaker 1>against his better judgment, Yeah, I just want to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill says, like, my one of my favorite lines here,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like, I really feel like they were They

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<v Speaker 2>were just like, this is nickoll Fermen playing Bill, and

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<v Speaker 2>I really feel like they with him. They were like,

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<v Speaker 2>you can just play it like if Ron Swanson was

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<v Speaker 2>in a drama. Because Frank's like, oh, could I just

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<v Speaker 2>have one meal? I have any in for two days?

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<v Speaker 2>And then he's like, I realized that doesn't sound very long.

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<v Speaker 2>And Bill's like, you can't just come hen and get

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<v Speaker 2>a free meal. This isn't an Abby's. If you go

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<v Speaker 2>people are gonna be coming in a restaurant. And then

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<v Speaker 2>and and Frank's like Abby's a restaurant there there was

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<v Speaker 2>no free meals, And they kind of have this banter

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<v Speaker 2>and eventually like Bill decides he's gonna let Frank in.

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<v Speaker 1>He also says Bill that, well, listen, if I let

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<v Speaker 1>you in, everyone come in and tell every hobo in

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<v Speaker 1>the area.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank's like, I won't tell any hobo which, oh vagabonds will.

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<v Speaker 1>Drift this which this should be our first hint that

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<v Speaker 1>Bill and Joel are on parallel tracks. Remember Joel on

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<v Speaker 1>the outbreak day passing a family on the road. No,

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<v Speaker 1>keep fucking going, We're not stopping. Bill, had Frank not

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<v Speaker 1>come into his life, is that guy who would not

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<v Speaker 1>have stopped for anyone. So Bill lets Frank in. He

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<v Speaker 1>lets him wash up hot water. It's fantastic, He gets

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<v Speaker 1>an extra so excited, just go to have a shower,

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<v Speaker 1>easy in the shower, and then they have a meal

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<v Speaker 1>that is so much better than anyone could have expected. Apocalypse.

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<v Speaker 2>Frank has definitely never eaten a meal that good in

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<v Speaker 2>like seven years. Even before the apocalypse, he was probably

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<v Speaker 2>not eating that good. Like Bill makes a Michelin start,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a really good meal, and he brings out the

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<v Speaker 2>best wine, and you start to suddenly realize that Frank

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<v Speaker 2>is not the only person who's seeking connection. Like Bill

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<v Speaker 2>might be scared of making a connection of trusting someone else,

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<v Speaker 2>but having this person in his house. He's taking it seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants to be a good host, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>really sweet, and nick Offman just gives the most unbelievable

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<v Speaker 2>performance that is so endearing and awkward, and as he

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<v Speaker 2>kind of opens up to this idea that he's not alone,

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<v Speaker 2>even just for this one night, he kind of starts

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<v Speaker 2>to spread his wings. He shows off the wakers. Frank

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<v Speaker 2>is like the most enthusiastic guest, like he's so happy

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<v Speaker 2>to have the shower, to eat this delicious food, to

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<v Speaker 2>drink the wine, like it's yeah, it's just really two

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<v Speaker 2>of them are so good together and talking leg of

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<v Speaker 2>rabbit with with garden vegetables with a jou with paired

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<v Speaker 2>with a baujolet as Frank notes like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>the wine and protein pairing is perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh. Then Frank's like, oh, like I said, she leve,

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<v Speaker 1>but before I leave, I want to play your piano,

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<v Speaker 1>which I've been looking at this whole time. And he

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<v Speaker 1>goes over. He goes through the music books that he

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<v Speaker 1>has there. It's a lot of old people shit, but

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<v Speaker 1>then there is a Linda Ronstat music book uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>Frank sits down kind of hacks his way through a

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<v Speaker 1>version of Linda Rod's stat's a long long time. Bill

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<v Speaker 1>is like Bill, who we should note by the meal

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<v Speaker 1>and his reaction to this has very high standards for everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're ruining.

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<v Speaker 2>He's playing like the jauntiest ship. It's like dun dud.

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<v Speaker 2>This is really chunky, like b and Bill is.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, no, absolutely, it's a ballad, my friend. So then

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<v Speaker 1>Bill plays it and let's be let's be honest. Bill's

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<v Speaker 1>rendition not appreciably better than Frank's.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but it's it's like, I'm sorry, it's more it's

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<v Speaker 2>more heart, it's more hot, fast, and you can tell

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<v Speaker 2>there's this message that Bill Frank he just wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>hack away a piano and sing a song there. But

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<v Speaker 2>Bill is like, there's a there's a there's yearning.

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<v Speaker 1>And Frank Frank notices the yearning and he says, who's

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<v Speaker 1>the girl that you were singing about? And Bill's like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no girl, and Frank is like I know, and

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<v Speaker 1>they kiss and they become lovers that night, and years

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<v Speaker 1>pass and they become romantic partners, and then we go

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<v Speaker 1>three years later, Bill and Frank are now experience the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of normal growing pains of a long term relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>There in the hilarious context of like the post apocalyptic,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like Bob Frank wants to like do up the

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<v Speaker 2>house and do up the street and do up the boutique,

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<v Speaker 2>and he wants to kind of create a space where

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<v Speaker 2>other people can come and be safe because he sees

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<v Speaker 2>the wealth of what Bill has. Bill and Bill is like,

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely fucking.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, well he saves that for last first, you know, wisely,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Frank says, Hey, I live here too. This

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<v Speaker 1>is my home too, Yeah, this is my street. All

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do is like, you know, do the lawns,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe do some topiary, say sculptures, paint the houses. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'll referb and then, which you know, a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of the rascal of Frank, which is like, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>saved the most troubling part for last. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>have friends over and we can't just.

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<v Speaker 2>Been We'll stop.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll stop you there we do, because I've already been

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<v Speaker 1>talking to him. They're coming what And so then we

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<v Speaker 1>flash to Joel and Tests having a wonderful lunch with

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<v Speaker 1>Bill and Frank outside Bill unable to let go of

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<v Speaker 1>his pistol throughout the meal, because I love when Frank

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<v Speaker 1>is like, could you not? Could you just like at

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<v Speaker 1>least not cock it.

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<v Speaker 2>Also as well, surprise extra tests who thought we were

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<v Speaker 2>going to get it. I'm hoping this means that this

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<v Speaker 2>is a trend throughout that we might get flashbacks and

0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Tests and Frank have this super sweet connection of just

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<v Speaker 2>two people who are longing for something better. Bill and

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<v Speaker 2>Joel they know they see each other, they see the

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<v Speaker 2>connection that they have because Joel says to Bill, he

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<v Speaker 2>says to him, I'm the same as you. Yes, I get.

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<v Speaker 1>It, I get it. I get it. And Bill is

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<v Speaker 1>angry about this, this the fact that there are strangers

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<v Speaker 1>in the house. Frank goes with test, oh, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to show you the inside, and Bill is like, the

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<v Speaker 1>don't go inside you And Joel takes that opportunity, the privacy,

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<v Speaker 1>that private moment with a gun on him to say, hey, listen,

0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:07.280
<v Speaker 1>this is a relationship that can actually work. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I understand you're wary of us. That's fine, but we

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:12.439
<v Speaker 1>have we have things that you will need. We have

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:16.600
<v Speaker 1>machine parts, we have medicine that your fence is going

0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:19.600
<v Speaker 1>to fail in a year, I can get you galvanized

0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:22.040
<v Speaker 1>wire that will last the rest of your life, like

0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:23.719
<v Speaker 1>just any your lives.

0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:27.959
<v Speaker 2>Because he realizes that that's really what Bill's doing. He

0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:31.639
<v Speaker 2>sees that immediately that Bill the paston he's really keeping safe,

0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:32.040
<v Speaker 2>is Frank?

0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there's you're so right to note that, like

0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Frank and tests immediately get on because what if Frank

0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:41.280
<v Speaker 1>has given something to test? Maybe it's the pistol at

0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:43.439
<v Speaker 1>that time, who knows? Tess like, are you sure like

0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:45.840
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, no, this is this is You're gonna

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:47.880
<v Speaker 1>come back and relationship. Yeah, we're gonna.

0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Trade it's a gun.

0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:50.800
<v Speaker 2>We then find out what he traded it for.

0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.000
<v Speaker 1>This is a relationship. And by the way, I have

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:54.960
<v Speaker 1>an idea for a code, so when we get on

0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 1>the radio, no one will know what we're talking about,

0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:59.200
<v Speaker 1>and we'll use and this is the genesis.

0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Of the pop must He's code. Yeah.

0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:06.800
<v Speaker 1>As they leave, Joel warns Bill, hey, listen, the you've

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.680
<v Speaker 1>got a great set up here. The infactor are not

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:13.120
<v Speaker 1>going to be a problem. But raiders at some point

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 1>are gonna get wind of what you have. They're gonna come.

0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:18.440
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna come at night. They're smarter than the infected.

0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna come armed, and they're gonna come here, meaning harm,

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.400
<v Speaker 1>and Bill is like, don't worry about it. We go

0:25:25.200 --> 0:25:29.040
<v Speaker 1>ten years into the future now twenty thirteen, ten years

0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:32.760
<v Speaker 1>of Bill's town to twenty thirteen. The town's defensive perimeter

0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:34.600
<v Speaker 1>now includes stacks of vehicles.

0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Were they doing the holes in the vehicles?

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:42.320
<v Speaker 1>So we understand that there's been battles fought here. Frank,

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:46.159
<v Speaker 1>they've gotten to the point in their long term relationship

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 1>now where you start thinking about how do I keep

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:52.359
<v Speaker 1>this person around as long as possible. Frank has has

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:55.040
<v Speaker 1>put into place a kind of health regimen he's getting

0:25:55.040 --> 0:26:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Bill jogging. Bill is very bad at jogging. Wants to

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:02.439
<v Speaker 1>keep Bill as hail and hearty as he can for

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 1>the foreseeable future. And then he's like, I have a

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:06.679
<v Speaker 1>surprise for you, and it's a garden of strawberries. He

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:10.880
<v Speaker 1>got a packet of seeds for another gun.

0:26:11.000 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 2>So we know he's set up some kind of gun

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 2>running with tests. And at first Bill's like you see

0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:18.760
<v Speaker 2>the old Bill where he's like, which gun and Frank's

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:20.640
<v Speaker 2>just like one. He's like, it's a little one. Don't

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:24.520
<v Speaker 2>worry about it. And then there's this whole it's hard

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 2>to just watch the episode if you haven't watched it.

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 2>I know, like a lot of our listeners listen to

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.320
<v Speaker 2>us first, especially with the Last of Us, because it's scary.

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:32.879
<v Speaker 1>Don't do that.

0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:35.280
<v Speaker 2>But this is an episode that is not This is

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:39.200
<v Speaker 2>not a scary episode. It's scary in an existential heartbreaking way,

0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:42.040
<v Speaker 2>but it's not jump scar scary. And there's so many

0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 2>brilliant moments. But this moment where Nick Hofman and Murray

0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:51.439
<v Speaker 2>Bartle like eat these strawberries together and Bill is so

0:26:51.840 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 2>happy to eat the strawberry is just so unbelievably full

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:01.280
<v Speaker 2>of joy. This was the first moment when I tear

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 2>it up, and then I didn't stop crying for like

0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 2>the rest of that episode.

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 1>The first moment that I teared up is right here

0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:11.200
<v Speaker 1>where so they've been running clearly, like you know, Frank

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:13.320
<v Speaker 1>wants to keep Bill around, there's no healthcare out here,

0:27:14.000 --> 0:27:20.479
<v Speaker 1>and Bill, understanding what Frank is doing, says I'm sorry

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:25.719
<v Speaker 1>for what getting older faster than you. And then this

0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:28.240
<v Speaker 1>wonderful moment where Frank puts Bill at ease, just saying

0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I like you older, Yeah, like you know that the

0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 1>older means we're still We're still here. And then Bill

0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 1>makes it a really vulnerable admission, and it's a thing

0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 1>again if you think about Bills as I think we do,

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 1>as as a version of Joel, the kind of guy

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:50.040
<v Speaker 1>that Joel is, but who's let love into his life.

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:51.880
<v Speaker 1>He then makes this admission that I don't think Joel

0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 1>could ever make, which is, I was never afraid before

0:27:54.560 --> 0:27:57.119
<v Speaker 1>you showed up, Like he gave me a thing to

0:27:57.160 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 1>be afraid of losing. And it's just really really vulnerable,

0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 1>touching moment. Sometime later, weeks, months, who knows, maybe years,

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>raiders come against the town. It's definitely not the first time,

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:12.400
<v Speaker 1>as he saw by the by the cars stacked up.

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:16.959
<v Speaker 2>Around, and we see by how specific Bill's traps are.

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 2>He has flamethrowers that are sitting people on fire. He

0:28:20.119 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 2>knows why they're gonna call me, he knows why the

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:26.719
<v Speaker 2>weaknesses are. But Frank, I feel like I feel like

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:28.720
<v Speaker 2>I love Frank, but I feel like Frank has not

0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:31.440
<v Speaker 2>learned the lessons that Bill would want him to live.

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:33.639
<v Speaker 1>I think he's ready. I mean like he looked like

0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:36.200
<v Speaker 1>he could, He looked like he knew his way around

0:28:36.200 --> 0:28:39.960
<v Speaker 1>a pistol. Bill's doing finite but in terms of.

0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Like, don't leave the door open, don't be like there

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 2>was many times when I was yelling at him. But

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 2>they they you know what they come out of it.

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, I will say, I think that the fact that

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Bill is already up shooting at these guys tells you

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot about their relationships.

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, which is like, Frank stays in the house.

0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 1>You stay in the house, like I will deal with this,

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:01.920
<v Speaker 1>you stay safe. Frank goes out to Bill, who, by

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 1>the way, is like standing in the middle of the

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>street shooting and guy's go behind something.

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Now Bill is like too, he's too rough and ready.

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't care.

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 1>He's just behind anything, literally anything.

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:13.240
<v Speaker 2>It would have been good for Bill if he listened

0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 2>to that advice, because then he has.

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 1>So Frank helps him into the house. And here again

0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 1>is this wonderful, touching moment where I love these moments

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:26.120
<v Speaker 1>where you see different where you see either Bill or

0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Frank take the lead in the relationship and the other

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:32.040
<v Speaker 1>person let them. So here's Bill is wounded, lays Frank

0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 1>lays him on the table. He's getting some wine on

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 1>his hands so he can he can touch the wound

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 1>and get it ready. All the while Bill is thinking

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 1>he's done, and he's telling Frank, listen, I have a

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>list ready for you, and Frank is like, let's keep

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Bill talking. Yeah, tell me about I've made copies of

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 1>the keys. You need to reach out to Joel because

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>you can't be here alone. Joel will look off to

0:29:55.200 --> 0:29:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Joe and Frank says something really touching, I'm not alone.

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>You're here. Where am I going? And then years pass again.

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 2>And they do a really good bait and switch chair right, Well,

0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 2>you see these two bited old guys and one of

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 2>them is in the wheelchair, and you assume it's Bill

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 2>because of the shoot thing, but we see that it's

0:30:14.240 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 2>actually Frank.

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 1>And they've got to be I mean, Bill's got to

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 1>be late sixties at this point, right, and time has

0:30:22.720 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 1>taken a brutal toll. Frank is sick, probably cancer. He's

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 1>in a wheelchairs. As you noted, they're spending as much

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 1>time as they can, drinking up the days in this

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:37.720
<v Speaker 1>home that they built. But then you know, they wake

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 1>up one morning after going to bed together, Frank laying

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 1>in bed, clearly thinking about how he's going to tell

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Bill what he wants to do in the morning. And

0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>then the morning comes and he says, listen, this is

0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 1>the last day. This is it.

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because he actually even and this is like a

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:59.240
<v Speaker 2>really powerful representation I think of just like, yeah, it's

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 2>just something you don't get to see. He basically pulls

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:03.960
<v Speaker 2>himself out of bed and into his wheelchair and he

0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:05.719
<v Speaker 2>does it over the night. He wants to do that

0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 2>one saying himself.

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 1>He's like, He's like, yeah, don't do that, Like I

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 1>told you what happens if you fall asleep. He's so

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>worried about him and.

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like you said, Frank's like no, He's like, today

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 2>is the last day.

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 1>And he says, here's what we're gonna do. We're going

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>to have a great day. I'm gonna take you to the boutique.

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna wear what I say.

0:31:26.840 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna wear what I pick right.

0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Then you're gonna make a great dinner. We're gonna bring

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>the wine out. We're gonna crush some pills on the wine.

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna drink it. Then I'm gonna fall asleep in

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>your arms. Oh yeah.

0:31:39.120 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 2>And the outfits he's picking is so they can get married.

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna they're gonna get married. They're gonna have this

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 2>ceremony the two of them. Then they're gonna eat dinner,

0:31:46.440 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 2>they're gonna drink a delicious wine. Then they're gonna put

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 2>some pills in a slightly cheaper bottle of wine so

0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 2>they don't ruin it. And and Frank's gonna kill himself

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:57.800
<v Speaker 2>and he wants Bill to continue on because he loves Bill,

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:00.400
<v Speaker 2>and uh, and we get to see this day that

0:32:00.480 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 2>they shared together, and it is.

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Just well Bill is first. Bill is like, absolutely, I

0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 1>can't do it. I can't absolutely can't do it. I'm

0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:11.120
<v Speaker 1>not strong enough to do that. He breaks down, But

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 1>eventually because of the love and respect and the relationship

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:18.200
<v Speaker 1>they've forged. Which thinking back to that first argument where

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Frank wants to do the lawns and paint and stuff

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 1>and invite people over and Bill's like, no, no, no,

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>the basis of their relationship has been Frank pushing Bill

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>out of his comfort zone and Bill not wanting to

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 1>go there, but ultimately going there because of his respect

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:38.400
<v Speaker 1>for Frank. And there's a great and it's working out.

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And there's a great line here where Frank says

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 2>to him, like do you love me and he's like yeah,

0:32:42.960 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 2>and he says, well, then love me the way I want,

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 2>which is to have this day and then to I mean,

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>being sick is is so much pain just in an

0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 2>allegedly functioning society, let alone he's dealing with this in

0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 2>a situation where he says to Frank, you know, he

0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:01.920
<v Speaker 2>says to Bill, there was no for this before it

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 2>has happened, So what are we going to do? You know,

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 2>and then they get to have this like and you

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 2>know what, I just I was so proud of Bill

0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 2>in this moment, which is very funny to say for

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:14.479
<v Speaker 2>a character that you've known for like forty five minutes,

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 2>because he just embraces it. But he listens to what

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Frank wants and he actually gives him that day. They

0:33:20.320 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 2>dress up, they dress real fancy, they spend time together,

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 2>they give each other rings, and then you know, Bill

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 2>cooks him the same meal that he had the first

0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 2>day that he ever came to his house, and he

0:33:35.640 --> 0:33:37.560
<v Speaker 2>replicates it and he cooks that meal and it is

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 2>just such a beautiful moment. I mean, I was just

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 2>crying like NonStop. It was post strawberries. It was just

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 2>balling ball and Ballin Like these performances, there's so much

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 2>love and nuance and tenderness and complexity, and it is

0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 2>just such an astounding piece of television.

0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 1>But then the wine comes out, and Frank drinks his wine,

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>watches Frank drink his wine and make sure he's drinking it.

0:34:03.240 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Then Bill drinks his wine, and then Frank realizes, oh,

0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 1>there was already there was. You took some too, and

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Bills like, yeah, there's enough in there to kill a horse. Frank.

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:17.719
<v Speaker 1>Now it's Frank's turn to get pushed out of his

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.280
<v Speaker 1>comfort zone. He says, you know, I don't support this.

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>This is not what I wanted, but you know, from

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:27.319
<v Speaker 1>an objective point of view, it's and they go up

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:31.760
<v Speaker 1>to bed to go to sleep together in each other's arms.

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Sometime later, probably days, a few days later, a week

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:36.560
<v Speaker 1>I think takes.

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:41.320
<v Speaker 2>It's unclear because and it's unclear for a purpose. Bill

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:47.720
<v Speaker 2>and Frank open and yeah, so in a recent enough

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 2>time that no one else has found.

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 1>The house, right from late summer to fall, Joel and

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Ellie arrive in the town and they find the house quiet.

0:34:55.840 --> 0:34:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Joel is immediately like what the fuck. He knows there's

0:34:58.360 --> 0:34:58.840
<v Speaker 2>a problem.

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:01.799
<v Speaker 1>The way he opens the door, knowing that Bill is

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 1>a trap guy is very wary. He looks all around,

0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>goes to their bedroom, tells Ellie, U state right here.

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go look around. Ellie finds the letter that

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Bill left and and she begins to read it. Meanwhile,

0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 1>Joel is looking around. He sees that Bill's car is

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 1>there's stuff, there's kind there's like the ingredients for a

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:31.799
<v Speaker 1>car battery that are like in place, just need to

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 1>be assembled and then charged. So he's got everything he

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 1>needs to continue his mission. And then he returns to

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the house and Ellie's reading the letter, and Ellie reads

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:46.000
<v Speaker 1>it to him, and it's basically about you know how Bill,

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:49.080
<v Speaker 1>here's some of it. So I used to hate the world.

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:50.919
<v Speaker 1>I was happy when everyone died, but I was wrong

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 1>because there was one person worth saving. And that's what

0:35:52.960 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 1>I did. I saved him and I protected him. That's

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:57.080
<v Speaker 1>why men like you and me are here. We have

0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.279
<v Speaker 1>a job to do, and God help any motherfuckers who

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:01.160
<v Speaker 1>stand in our way. I leave you all my weapons

0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:03.240
<v Speaker 1>and equipment, use them to keep. And then she stops

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 1>because it's tests written there. Joel then takes the letter.

0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:10.360
<v Speaker 1>He reads the rest of it, and he makes a

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:12.880
<v Speaker 1>decision there that okay, we're going to continue with this mission.

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 1>He asks Ellie to see her arm. It is completely healed,

0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:19.919
<v Speaker 1>and he says, okay, here's what was up before we met.

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 1>I have a brother. He was in the Fireflies. He's

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.840
<v Speaker 1>in Wyoming. He's in some kind of trouble. We're going there.

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he knows where your firefly lab is. And then

0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Allie's like, great, hey, and about tests, Like now this

0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 1>the letter is brought back, this kind of wound of tests,

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 1>and she wants to apologize in this moment, but he stops.

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>He He's like, don't ever talk about tests. Never mentioned

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:44.319
<v Speaker 1>her name, and in fact, we're never going to talk

0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:45.400
<v Speaker 1>about our own history.

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:46.960
<v Speaker 2>He's like, these are the rules if you want to

0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 2>care with me, no tests. And we were wondering last

0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:51.960
<v Speaker 2>week if that was something we've been going to see,

0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:54.600
<v Speaker 2>because that is a rule that Joel lays out in

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:56.920
<v Speaker 2>quite a harsh way in the in the game. In

0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.800
<v Speaker 2>the game that kind of almost like sets him in

0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:04.080
<v Speaker 2>out back, kind of away from the journey that they've

0:37:04.120 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 2>been on together. But it quickly, you know, the nature

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 2>of their relationship means that they quickly find new paths

0:37:10.960 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 2>to kind of reconnect. But yeah, I was very interested

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.759
<v Speaker 2>to see he said, no tests, no talking about our pasts,

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Like we're basically just travelers on this road together. But

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:24.040
<v Speaker 2>it is really interesting because it is this letter from

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Bill that makes him decide to save Ellie. That's basically like,

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:31.600
<v Speaker 2>to take Ellie where she's going. This is the letter.

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:34.640
<v Speaker 2>We are here for one reason, to protect people. Guess what.

0:37:34.920 --> 0:37:37.279
<v Speaker 2>That didn't happen with Tess. In Joe's mind, he's like,

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:41.320
<v Speaker 2>here's this child, look at her arm. Okay, she's healed.

0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 2>This is real, And in that moment, he takes on

0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:47.200
<v Speaker 2>that full This is not Tess's mission that he's doing

0:37:47.239 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 2>because he misses her. This is him becoming the protector,

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:53.239
<v Speaker 2>the person who is going to get her to wear

0:37:53.400 --> 0:37:55.680
<v Speaker 2>she needs to go. It's like a huge moment, and

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:59.920
<v Speaker 2>I think they did a really brilliant job of bringing

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:03.120
<v Speaker 2>that to life in a slightly different way than the game.

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 1>The rest of his ground rules are, you don't talk

0:38:05.680 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 1>about your immunity because people will just kill you. People

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:10.520
<v Speaker 1>just kill you. They'll see the bite, they'll kill you.

0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:14.240
<v Speaker 1>And then third of all, you do whatever I say.

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Whatever I say goes and Ellie agrees. In Bill's bunker,

0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Joel takes Ellie down there and we discover that it

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 1>was the nineteen eighties. Music was from Bill and Frank. Ellie,

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 1>seeing a wall of guns, asks for a gun again. Yeah,

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 1>there's like fifty there. Once again.

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:33.279
<v Speaker 2>No.

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:37.719
<v Speaker 1>They then gather up what they need pack for the trip.

0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Ellie's back in the house for a little while. She

0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 1>finds it a gun like either a nine millimeter or

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 1>a twenty two, hidden in a desk, and she keeps

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 1>it and they get in the truck, which Ellie has

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 1>never been in a vehicle before. She doesn't know how

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 1>to put on.

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:53.040
<v Speaker 2>She's like, this is like a spaceship. It's so cute

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:55.560
<v Speaker 2>because when you actually think about it, you're like, oh shit, yeah,

0:38:55.600 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 2>cause it pretty crazy. It's like the Internet conversation. This

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:01.680
<v Speaker 2>whole episode has big Station eleven energy. Actually, it's all

0:39:01.680 --> 0:39:05.719
<v Speaker 2>about like finding what keeps you going against like the

0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:07.320
<v Speaker 2>most insurmountable odds.

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:10.360
<v Speaker 1>As they drive away, she puts a cassette tape in.

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:13.640
<v Speaker 1>It's Linda Ronstat's a long long time. Joel is about

0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:15.080
<v Speaker 1>to be like, no, don't put any music, and I

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:16.480
<v Speaker 1>don't want to any music. One my oh wait, wait,

0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:17.879
<v Speaker 1>hold on, this is good. This is good.

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:18.359
<v Speaker 2>I want to hear.

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh, this is good. This is Linda ronstat you this

0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.440
<v Speaker 1>is this is a good one. And they drive off

0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:25.840
<v Speaker 1>through the gates of town headed west, and then we

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 1>get the last shot of the episode is like this

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:33.960
<v Speaker 1>a pullback through the open window from inside Bill and

0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:36.479
<v Speaker 1>Frank's bedroom window. They're in there somewhere, but we don't

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 1>ever see them dead. You only see the outside through

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:44.360
<v Speaker 1>the open window. And it's very, very consciously the exact

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:48.719
<v Speaker 1>same of the menu of the of The Last of

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Us menuscree.

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:53.480
<v Speaker 2>They have to press any button every time, and there

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:53.799
<v Speaker 2>it is.

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:57.600
<v Speaker 1>That's just simply one of the best hours of television

0:39:57.640 --> 0:40:00.759
<v Speaker 1>that we've seen this year. X Ra even we'll be back,

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:12.919
<v Speaker 1>and we're back first, and we're going to get into

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 1>a spoiler conversation that we're going to call out yes,

0:40:15.280 --> 0:40:18.160
<v Speaker 1>but first I think what is really cool about this

0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:20.920
<v Speaker 1>episode is the way that Bill and Frank's relationship is

0:40:20.960 --> 0:40:25.279
<v Speaker 1>like a very pointed critique of Joel and the way

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:28.040
<v Speaker 1>he goes about Think about the way he just spoke

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.560
<v Speaker 1>to Ellie at the end. There you do what I say?

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And also like there is this they sell it

0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:35.719
<v Speaker 2>so well in the show because there's this This is

0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:38.359
<v Speaker 2>not Joel's intention. Joel is not a predator, but there

0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:41.680
<v Speaker 2>is this horrible power dynamic there where he's like this

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:43.879
<v Speaker 2>adult man who's like, you will do whatever I say.

0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:45.400
<v Speaker 2>What I say goes, and you will have to do

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 2>it if you're coming with me. There's just so much

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 2>anger and fear that fuels everything that Joel does. Whereas

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:57.399
<v Speaker 2>Bill opened himself up to actually becoming somebody's partner and

0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 2>trusting them and believing in their agents and believing in

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:03.360
<v Speaker 2>their goodness and believing that they could bring something to

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:06.240
<v Speaker 2>their life, which is something that Joel has not managed

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:07.240
<v Speaker 2>to do since Sarah.

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Even with tests, yeah, I mean, even with the letter,

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.000
<v Speaker 1>which I think you're right to point out, is like

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:14.719
<v Speaker 1>a mission statement for Joe if you think about it.

0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Joel has never done anything in this show as of

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:25.320
<v Speaker 1>yet that he's wanted to do. He didn't want to

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:26.759
<v Speaker 1>go and nothing's.

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Been of even his own agency.

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Right, He's getting dragged forward into one of the most

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 1>formative relationships of his life. This this relationship he's going

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>to have with Ellie, and every step of the way

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 1>he didn't want to do it. He didn't want to go.

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 1>He didn't want to go with Tests. He didn't want

0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:45.359
<v Speaker 1>to bring her when he met Ellie when TS died,

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 1>he wanted. He didn't want to.

0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 2>He didn't believe.

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:50.279
<v Speaker 1>Probably was thinking, I'm going to leave you with Bill

0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:50.720
<v Speaker 1>and Frank.

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they can look after you. You're safe here.

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:55.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going to drop you there.

0:41:55.520 --> 0:41:58.080
<v Speaker 2>He says, there's somebody here who owes me a favor. Yeah,

0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:03.320
<v Speaker 2>And wouldn't that favor be to leave? Oh, you know

0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:04.960
<v Speaker 2>what to do. You've got a call, you can take a.

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:08.520
<v Speaker 1>And I think it's that's the part that really hit

0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 1>me extremely hard, was that you know, Bill could just

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:15.360
<v Speaker 1>never if it wasn't for Frank, he never would have

0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:19.400
<v Speaker 1>let anybody in his fortress town. And Joel is exactly

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:25.279
<v Speaker 1>like that. He's so beholden to his traumas and the

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:29.160
<v Speaker 1>fact that he quote unquote failed on the night the

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 1>outbreak happened, that he like can't enjoy anything. I think

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 1>about that that really telling moment where Tess says, Oh,

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:41.520
<v Speaker 1>can't you just like take the good news for you,

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 1>just like accept that something good happened. Like Bill got

0:42:46.120 --> 0:42:48.240
<v Speaker 1>to a place where he could accept something good happened

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:50.799
<v Speaker 1>where like he could accept that, Like Frank came into

0:42:50.840 --> 0:42:54.000
<v Speaker 1>my life and that was really good, and now I

0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 1>am satisfied and I'm ready to go. Joel is like

0:42:57.080 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 1>holding on to this terrible sadness and can't see can't

0:43:04.120 --> 0:43:07.040
<v Speaker 1>see anything else for it. And it was so smart

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 1>to use the Bill and Frank relationship. Is this spotlight

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 1>on Joel as this wounded, traumatized person who can't listen

0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:20.279
<v Speaker 1>to any of the people who he cares about. He

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:23.360
<v Speaker 1>doesn't he never listened to Tess, who dragged him on

0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 1>this mission. He's certainly not listening to Ellie. Like here's

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:28.160
<v Speaker 1>the thing, Okay, you don't want to give Ellie a gun.

0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I get it. You know the open country more than

0:43:32.040 --> 0:43:34.919
<v Speaker 1>she does. I get it. But why are we leaving

0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:35.640
<v Speaker 1>this town right now?

0:43:36.000 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 2>Like literally, why don't you handy some food?

0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Stay here for a week. Teach her how to shoot safely,

0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:44.279
<v Speaker 1>how to drive a car. Yeah, teach her how to

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:46.680
<v Speaker 1>drive a car, teach her how to do anything useful.

0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:51.759
<v Speaker 1>But there's something in Joel that, because of how he

0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:57.280
<v Speaker 1>failed Sarah wants to keep the people around him not infantilized.

0:43:57.520 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 1>But I think you were right to point out. He

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:01.520
<v Speaker 1>wants to keep Ellie powerless and a weird way, not

0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 1>in any kind of like creepy way, no, but in

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:07.160
<v Speaker 1>a way of like I know best, I know what

0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:10.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing. You don't. I'm gonna take care of you.

0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Especially it's like we know what Bill is like,

0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.920
<v Speaker 2>there's probably meals packed in there. There's probably food for months.

0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:19.520
<v Speaker 2>There's all kinds of stuff in that freezer.

0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:21.920
<v Speaker 1>There's everything you could need.

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 2>You could teach out to make traps. You could give

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:25.040
<v Speaker 2>her a different kind of weapon.

0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:29.400
<v Speaker 1>You could full of music from every decade of popular

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 1>music that existed, like it.

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Would I think now it's not running water.

0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 1>He's almost oh my god, electricity, why are we leaving

0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 1>this very what? Like you want to beat the snows? Like,

0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:43.800
<v Speaker 1>what are we doing? You have a corrido.

0:44:44.120 --> 0:44:47.520
<v Speaker 2>He's almost like out, He's almost like a shark. It's

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:50.120
<v Speaker 2>like he can't stop moving. He has to just keep

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 2>going forward because if he stops, then he's gonna have

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 2>to deal with what happened to Test. I mean, the

0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 2>reason Joel doesn't want to stay in the house is

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:00.440
<v Speaker 2>because he spent time with Test there. That why he

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 2>doesn't want to remember that he ate the food there,

0:45:03.160 --> 0:45:05.080
<v Speaker 2>that they had a nice time, that they had friends,

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:07.319
<v Speaker 2>friends that he never had, but he knows really they

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:09.760
<v Speaker 2>were friends. You get this moment where he goes outside

0:45:09.840 --> 0:45:11.839
<v Speaker 2>with the letter and he almost.

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Is he crying.

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 2>He's kind of keen aig. He's kind of silently yelling

0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 2>it's almost there, and he's out on that lawn where

0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:21.400
<v Speaker 2>they spent this time together. But it is this is

0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:26.239
<v Speaker 2>one of Joel's silliest It is this silliest moment because

0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:28.560
<v Speaker 2>these two could have hunkered down here, even just for

0:45:28.680 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 2>one night.

0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>They can just want to Joel, enjoy this, my guy

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:35.040
<v Speaker 1>the ground, Joel.

0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:36.759
<v Speaker 2>What is the number one thing that we all know?

0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:37.640
<v Speaker 1>You know this.

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Everyone who's ever watched a zombie movie or any kind

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:43.799
<v Speaker 2>of post apocalyptic story knows this. The worst thing out

0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:46.399
<v Speaker 2>there is humans. Right here, there is no humans. Take

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 2>your time, because wherever you're going next, it's going to

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:50.960
<v Speaker 2>go badly for you. Now you're gonna come up against enemies.

0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:53.759
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna come up against dangerous things that are worse

0:45:53.800 --> 0:45:56.479
<v Speaker 2>than the infected. So just take a minute not to mention.

0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Do you want Ellie as this helpless package that you

0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:05.680
<v Speaker 1>have to deliver, or do you want help because you're

0:46:05.800 --> 0:46:08.160
<v Speaker 1>so right. Teach her to fucking drive drive a car,

0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:11.800
<v Speaker 1>to make a trap, to make a trap, teacher to

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:14.239
<v Speaker 1>teach her to shoot a gun. Please just do it,

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:17.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, because you're gonna be out here facing a

0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:20.919
<v Speaker 1>lot of danger, a knife, to do any amount of things.

0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.279
<v Speaker 2>Have a conversation with her, ask her if she knows

0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:24.800
<v Speaker 2>how to shoot a gun. She grew up in a

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:27.880
<v Speaker 2>zombie apocalypse. Let's just have a conversation. But Joel is

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:30.200
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't do it. It's a compulsion that he has

0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:32.279
<v Speaker 2>to keep moving so that he doesn't have to deal

0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:34.120
<v Speaker 2>with all of his loss.

0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly that's exactly right. Yeah. Wow, what an episode.

0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:42.800
<v Speaker 1>What a What a punch to the chest on a

0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Sunday night? How do you go to sleep out?

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I know? It's literally like it's really funny because the

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 2>episode opens and it continues our expectation of what the

0:46:52.120 --> 0:46:54.320
<v Speaker 2>show is going to be. Joel and Ellie. They're in

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:57.919
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful forest. They come to a kind of post apocalyptic,

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:01.200
<v Speaker 2>messed up place. They have a conversation. We learned some

0:47:01.360 --> 0:47:04.920
<v Speaker 2>more about what happened with the outbreak. That is kind

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:07.359
<v Speaker 2>of the shape of the show. So far and that's great,

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 2>especially because Bella and Pager are so great, so it's

0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:15.480
<v Speaker 2>like it's not routine, but it feels immediately like we've

0:47:15.560 --> 0:47:17.960
<v Speaker 2>been tripped up when they throw you into this flashback

0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:19.759
<v Speaker 2>that's actually the meat of the episode. I mean, the

0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:21.719
<v Speaker 2>episode is an hour and fifteen minutes long, and I

0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:25.120
<v Speaker 2>think the opening with Ellie and Joel is really that

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:27.479
<v Speaker 2>fifteen minutes, and then you get almost this like hour

0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:31.839
<v Speaker 2>with Frank and Bill, and it is just such thoughtful,

0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:36.960
<v Speaker 2>kind good storytelling. And I really love the way that

0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:40.680
<v Speaker 2>this expands on like the tiniest hints that were given

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:43.960
<v Speaker 2>about Bill and Frank. You know, Frank is dead in

0:47:44.080 --> 0:47:47.480
<v Speaker 2>the game. Bill is alive, and we know that Frank.

0:47:47.360 --> 0:47:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Left in the game. But Frank Bill Bill, he got rid.

0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Of his partner because he didn't do this, that and

0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:55.480
<v Speaker 2>the other. But that the implication was there that they

0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:58.000
<v Speaker 2>were gay, but that was a gay character who had

0:47:58.040 --> 0:48:00.160
<v Speaker 2>been killed off screen. You didn't know what how, and

0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:02.120
<v Speaker 2>you don't really know about Bill. That's not a big

0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:03.120
<v Speaker 2>major point of his life.

0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:04.360
<v Speaker 1>This is to me.

0:48:04.920 --> 0:48:06.640
<v Speaker 2>I saw a lot of people saying this is a deviation,

0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:10.400
<v Speaker 2>but to me, this actually just felt like like the

0:48:10.440 --> 0:48:13.400
<v Speaker 2>best adaptations do when I am playing this game, now,

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:15.440
<v Speaker 2>this just feels true to me, Like, yeah, sure I

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:17.680
<v Speaker 2>met Bill, so in this version they didn't die together

0:48:17.760 --> 0:48:21.840
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. But that relationship, that expansion of those characters

0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:24.360
<v Speaker 2>and that experience that they had together, that feels so

0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:28.040
<v Speaker 2>true to the game. And I love this, this feeling

0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:31.440
<v Speaker 2>about one of my I'd written about this on Instagram,

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:32.919
<v Speaker 2>but how much I like the film, But I saw

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:35.400
<v Speaker 2>something that was a really great take from one of

0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:38.400
<v Speaker 2>my favorite film directors, Timo Tanto, who's like this incredible

0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Indonesian horror director, and he says, like The Last of

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Us was never about like vengeance. It was like about

0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:47.680
<v Speaker 2>finding love that it was.

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:49.480
<v Speaker 1>The game was never about vengeance.

0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:51.520
<v Speaker 2>He's like, it's not like the quest is not like

0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:53.919
<v Speaker 2>Joel on a quest for vengeance. No, he's the Last

0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:58.360
<v Speaker 2>of Us. Yeah, well there's a different vengeance. Yeah, but

0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:00.480
<v Speaker 2>he's like he's like part one, it's never about like

0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 2>vengeance or it's about like finding love that it's worth

0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.040
<v Speaker 2>being violent for. It's like that's why you're violent, is

0:49:06.120 --> 0:49:08.040
<v Speaker 2>like these things that you can take care of. And

0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I kind of love this to me. I was like,

0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 2>it's about finding things you can love and things that

0:49:12.680 --> 0:49:15.000
<v Speaker 2>help you get through. But there's also this reality of

0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:18.200
<v Speaker 2>like Bill killed many many people for Frank, Bill would

0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:21.160
<v Speaker 2>kill raiders, Bill would kill the infected Joel not murdered

0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:23.600
<v Speaker 2>multiple people on the Quest for Test and in the

0:49:23.719 --> 0:49:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Last of Us, those two things are aligned, like it's

0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:28.359
<v Speaker 2>like what will you do to protect the people you love?

0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:30.919
<v Speaker 2>And that obviously, as we know and people have played

0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:35.040
<v Speaker 2>the game, no is the biggest question about. Well, that's

0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:35.880
<v Speaker 2>the Last of Us.

0:49:36.200 --> 0:49:40.319
<v Speaker 1>It's a perfect opportunity then to talk about the Last

0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:42.799
<v Speaker 1>of Us game in a spoiler filled way. So right

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:47.600
<v Speaker 1>now we're gonna transition to a spoiler conversation for people

0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:50.000
<v Speaker 1>who have finished the Last of Us game.

0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:52.919
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so we don't care about spoilers, but we don't

0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:56.560
<v Speaker 2>care about sor this will this could potentially we haven't

0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:58.840
<v Speaker 2>seen ahead of show. We haven't seen ahead, but it

0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:00.920
<v Speaker 2>is most likely that this will be part of the

0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:03.160
<v Speaker 2>show and will be a huge spoilers. So stop listening

0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:04.080
<v Speaker 2>now if you don't want to spoiler.

0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:07.279
<v Speaker 1>Spoiler, spoilers, boilers, boils, spoil that. So for those of

0:50:07.360 --> 0:50:10.359
<v Speaker 1>you who have finished the Last of Us Part one

0:50:10.440 --> 0:50:14.279
<v Speaker 1>game or know about the ending, let's talk about the ending. Now,

0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:16.759
<v Speaker 1>So the ending of the game. Shocking moment you get

0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:19.560
<v Speaker 1>to the lab, right as Joel. You as Joel, bring

0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Ellie to the lab.

0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:22.560
<v Speaker 2>This is what you've been playing for the whole game.

0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 1>This is great, right, it's going to save the world, right,

0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:30.520
<v Speaker 1>you're you. She is in the room with the doctors,

0:50:31.040 --> 0:50:33.920
<v Speaker 1>and you discover that whatever this process is that is

0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:36.759
<v Speaker 1>going to bring the immunity out of her is going

0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:37.200
<v Speaker 1>to kill her.

0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They I believe they have to take the fungus

0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 2>out of her brain, and it would kill her.

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:45.279
<v Speaker 1>It would kill her. And so Joel decides to kill

0:50:45.360 --> 0:50:51.359
<v Speaker 1>everybody in the lab take Ellie out, Okay. Then Ellie

0:50:51.440 --> 0:50:54.680
<v Speaker 1>wakes up and Joel lies straight to her face about

0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:55.280
<v Speaker 1>what happened.

0:50:55.280 --> 0:50:57.680
<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh, there was so many people that, yeah,

0:50:58.480 --> 0:51:00.840
<v Speaker 2>you know who are immune and and they've never actually

0:51:00.920 --> 0:51:02.719
<v Speaker 2>been able to find a kill it.

0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:05.759
<v Speaker 1>So you're free to go, right, So, and Ellie kind of.

0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:08.560
<v Speaker 2>Chooses to believe Joel in that moment. I feel like

0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:10.680
<v Speaker 2>I feel like it's I feel like it's she does.

0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:11.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like she knows.

0:51:12.000 --> 0:51:14.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like she thinks he's telling the truth.

0:51:14.080 --> 0:51:17.239
<v Speaker 2>I feel like in that moment, there's like a question there,

0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:19.960
<v Speaker 2>but she knows that this is like you've got to survive.

0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:22.560
<v Speaker 1>So here's what I could not stop thinking about watching

0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:25.360
<v Speaker 1>last night's episode, and that is Bill and Frank is

0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:28.080
<v Speaker 1>again is a direct criticism of Joel. And it's the

0:51:28.160 --> 0:51:33.160
<v Speaker 1>way their relationship is built on this respect for each other,

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:37.360
<v Speaker 1>this love for each other, that is that can allow

0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:41.080
<v Speaker 1>for the other person's voice to be her an agency,

0:51:41.320 --> 0:51:45.239
<v Speaker 1>an agency. I I get what I get Joel being like, no,

0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:49.920
<v Speaker 1>you're not killing this person that I love. Okay. What

0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:54.319
<v Speaker 1>is fucked up to me is that you don't ask

0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:56.640
<v Speaker 1>her what she wants to do. Yeah, does she want

0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:59.120
<v Speaker 1>to save the world? You know? Like, here's what we

0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:01.640
<v Speaker 1>know about Ellie. Is this all throughout the game and

0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:04.680
<v Speaker 1>the show thus far, Ellie is the person who cares

0:52:05.280 --> 0:52:08.960
<v Speaker 1>about everyone more than herself. She sees Marlene shot. She's

0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:12.120
<v Speaker 1>known Marlene for three days, mostly as her jailor. She's like,

0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:15.680
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, are you okay? Tess is infected. They're

0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:19.400
<v Speaker 1>leaving her. She's going two days, she's gonna die. She's like,

0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:21.520
<v Speaker 1>we can't leave Tess. We can't leave her.

0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:23.440
<v Speaker 2>She has that thing that Sarah has at the beginning,

0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:25.080
<v Speaker 2>we should have gone back, We should have gone back,

0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:28.319
<v Speaker 2>we should have gone back. I love that read so much,

0:52:28.360 --> 0:52:30.680
<v Speaker 2>and I think it is a direct critique. I also

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:35.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm just very interested to see the route that they

0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:40.120
<v Speaker 2>go with that narrative. I think it's one of the

0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:43.640
<v Speaker 2>best choices of any video game ever. I also think

0:52:43.680 --> 0:52:46.759
<v Speaker 2>as well, I love stories. I talk about this book

0:52:46.760 --> 0:52:48.239
<v Speaker 2>a lot when we talk about the show, but the

0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Go with All the Gifts by Mike Carrey is so

0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:55.480
<v Speaker 2>good and it ends in a very equivalent way, but

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:57.799
<v Speaker 2>with more of the agency put on the young girl

0:52:58.080 --> 0:52:59.840
<v Speaker 2>in the center of the story. And I kind of

0:52:59.880 --> 0:53:02.279
<v Speaker 2>like this idea of like who gets to choose who

0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:04.759
<v Speaker 2>lives and dies in a zombie apocalypse? And is this

0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:09.360
<v Speaker 2>just the nature of evolution? Like is should should Ellie

0:53:09.440 --> 0:53:11.799
<v Speaker 2>die for a cure that might not work that would

0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:14.560
<v Speaker 2>also end up killing it. It's really interesting. But the

0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:17.680
<v Speaker 2>point is one they do a great like shadow of

0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:20.040
<v Speaker 2>the Colossiest style trick by getting you to go on

0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:22.359
<v Speaker 2>this journey and then mass murdering all the people trying

0:53:22.400 --> 0:53:24.719
<v Speaker 2>to save the world and being like peace. That's incredible,

0:53:24.960 --> 0:53:28.560
<v Speaker 2>but also as well, it's all about Joel's selfishness that

0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:31.880
<v Speaker 2>isn't kind of a greater story. He is not wondering

0:53:32.000 --> 0:53:34.239
<v Speaker 2>like who gets to choose who lives and dies? He's like,

0:53:34.480 --> 0:53:37.719
<v Speaker 2>this is my child. I love her, and you are

0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:39.640
<v Speaker 2>not going to kill her again, Fedra, fuck you.

0:53:39.960 --> 0:53:43.960
<v Speaker 1>And it's the difference between you know, Frank saying to Bill,

0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:46.360
<v Speaker 1>did you love me? Then love me the way I

0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:51.239
<v Speaker 1>want you to exactly and Bill listening. Joel, if the

0:53:51.280 --> 0:53:52.919
<v Speaker 1>story plays out the way it does in the game,

0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:57.680
<v Speaker 1>will never get to the place where he can listen

0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:00.560
<v Speaker 1>to anything that Ellie has to say, because he's always

0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:02.840
<v Speaker 1>going to feel like I know better. I am the protector.

0:54:03.760 --> 0:54:06.040
<v Speaker 1>God help anybody who gets in the way of me

0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:08.719
<v Speaker 1>protecting you. And that's going to take any form that

0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I deem necessary. And I'm going to keep from you

0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:14.360
<v Speaker 1>all the information that I feel like is dangerous to

0:54:14.440 --> 0:54:17.279
<v Speaker 1>you or is going to be troubling to you, and

0:54:19.239 --> 0:54:24.240
<v Speaker 1>to act on, to act on your love for someone

0:54:24.680 --> 0:54:27.719
<v Speaker 1>is understandable to do so. When the Steaks are the

0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:31.279
<v Speaker 1>extinction of the human race, everybody else's family that is

0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:34.840
<v Speaker 1>out here in the world them potentially dying, you know,

0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:39.520
<v Speaker 1>dark centuries of barbarity and and raiders and slavers and

0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:41.200
<v Speaker 1>all the bad things that are out there, like you

0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:41.680
<v Speaker 1>could end.

0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:44.239
<v Speaker 2>It big spoiler, a lot that will come back to

0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:46.800
<v Speaker 2>bite Joel in the Lost of Us pot too. He

0:54:46.920 --> 0:54:49.920
<v Speaker 2>will learn that lesson that there are other people who

0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:53.000
<v Speaker 2>have families and other people who ones.

0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:55.719
<v Speaker 1>And to not even like run it by Ellie, like

0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:59.919
<v Speaker 1>I understand that that's it's a weight and a respon

0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:01.960
<v Speaker 1>possibility that no one should have to bear. But to

0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:05.640
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, so here's the situation. Would you have

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:08.840
<v Speaker 1>wanted to go through with this if you could have

0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:09.640
<v Speaker 1>a shot at.

0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:12.120
<v Speaker 2>I think also, I do think that's actually a really

0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:15.480
<v Speaker 2>interesting point. And I do think it makes the complexity

0:55:15.560 --> 0:55:19.280
<v Speaker 2>of that ending kind of even more interesting because feder

0:55:19.400 --> 0:55:25.800
<v Speaker 2>also don't tell her, And I think there's something very interesting,

0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:28.400
<v Speaker 2>And like, I love the way that they chose to

0:55:28.440 --> 0:55:30.360
<v Speaker 2>make this choice because they put you and make you

0:55:30.480 --> 0:55:32.600
<v Speaker 2>so complicit, because it would be easier to make it

0:55:32.680 --> 0:55:35.279
<v Speaker 2>more sympathetic by like having Ellie wake up and be like, no,

0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:36.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to do this, or hear them and

0:55:36.840 --> 0:55:38.920
<v Speaker 2>say I don't want to die, but they don't do that.

0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Joel just tricks her, kills everyone, and breezes off and

0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:46.000
<v Speaker 2>then lies to her. So it's really interesting. Yeah, I'm

0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:49.600
<v Speaker 2>very I'm very interested. Now with the second season being announced,

0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm very happy that they made this as one season.

0:55:53.080 --> 0:55:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I think that ending has to be the end of

0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:57.359
<v Speaker 2>this season for it to work. Now, how they're going

0:55:57.400 --> 0:55:59.920
<v Speaker 2>to play season two, I think is really the big

0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:02.680
<v Speaker 2>guest theory, because you know, Craig Mason, I think at

0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:05.800
<v Speaker 2>the premiere he was saying that it's more than one season,

0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:08.040
<v Speaker 2>which I would agree with. But the question is where

0:56:08.080 --> 0:56:11.880
<v Speaker 2>do you start? How long do you how do you

0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:17.359
<v Speaker 2>adapt the shocking opening of the second game, how soon

0:56:17.480 --> 0:56:19.839
<v Speaker 2>do you do it? It will be very interesting to see,

0:56:19.880 --> 0:56:21.279
<v Speaker 2>And I mean this has been such a huge hit

0:56:21.320 --> 0:56:23.960
<v Speaker 2>for HBO that I think this is probably a this

0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:26.359
<v Speaker 2>is a get making it as soon as you can.

0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I think that this season Bill and Frank and the

0:56:30.080 --> 0:56:32.440
<v Speaker 1>way they told that story is going to make the

0:56:32.560 --> 0:56:36.640
<v Speaker 1>punch of Joel's decision, whatever it's going to be, it's

0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:37.600
<v Speaker 1>going to make it even more.

0:56:37.920 --> 0:56:40.320
<v Speaker 2>They could even do It's a nine episode season, so

0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:42.440
<v Speaker 2>they could pull a game of Fernes and have episode

0:56:42.480 --> 0:56:44.680
<v Speaker 2>eight be huge and then have the finale be kind

0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:48.000
<v Speaker 2>of the smaller, more intimate fallout similar in tone and

0:56:48.239 --> 0:56:50.759
<v Speaker 2>vibe to Bill and Frank, which is just him and

0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Elli driving off afterwards and kind of dealing with the

0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:58.520
<v Speaker 2>ramifications and the lies exact exactly. I mean, I'm so

0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.719
<v Speaker 2>interested to see how they because it is not the

0:57:01.800 --> 0:57:03.360
<v Speaker 2>hero's journey that we are used to.

0:57:03.760 --> 0:57:06.960
<v Speaker 1>No, it's like it'sol is Like it's like if you

0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:12.840
<v Speaker 1>entrusted the worst fucking hobbit with bringing the Ring of

0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Power to mount do you know, like he's the best

0:57:16.200 --> 0:57:18.720
<v Speaker 1>at killing everybody, And it's.

0:57:18.560 --> 0:57:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Like if you just gave it to Golm and told

0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:22.520
<v Speaker 2>him it's a strate because he's going to keep it.

0:57:22.680 --> 0:57:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it was just, man, the way that that

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:28.840
<v Speaker 1>episode made me think about the ending of the game

0:57:29.200 --> 0:57:32.320
<v Speaker 1>is really amazing, and it's just so well written, so

0:57:32.440 --> 0:57:32.760
<v Speaker 1>well done.

0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I definitely think that's a not just

0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:37.200
<v Speaker 2>because I mean it's only January, so it's obviously like

0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:39.120
<v Speaker 2>the best episode of TV we've seen so far. But

0:57:39.240 --> 0:57:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean that's unless we have the best year of

0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:44.760
<v Speaker 2>TV that we've had in like two decades. That's going

0:57:44.840 --> 0:57:47.120
<v Speaker 2>to be on every best of list because I mean

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<v Speaker 2>there's just nothing like it. And for Murray and and Nick,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's got to be award system shutdown. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>they were just so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, end of spoiler conversation. Hopefully it has ended. It

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<v Speaker 1>has ended. Now play the game. Go play the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Up next Nerdout.

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<v Speaker 2>In today's nerd Out, where you tell us what you

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<v Speaker 2>love and why, or as you have also kindly been doing,

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<v Speaker 2>share a very cool theory, the weird of the better

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<v Speaker 2>that I have to say, you guys will have very

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<v Speaker 2>legit theories compared to like our Timboil theories. Adam Pitch

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<v Speaker 2>is a new theory today about Braun, one of the

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<v Speaker 2>characters we talk about so much when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>Star Wars. And if you don't know the character, you

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<v Speaker 2>first appeared in Timothy's Arn's Thorn trilogy and now Timothy

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<v Speaker 2>came back after he was made canon, and he is

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<v Speaker 2>just a blue skinned evil alien that everybody loves to hate.

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<v Speaker 1>Tactical strategic genius, yeah, I mean he is political genius.

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<v Speaker 1>He's one of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimate Star Wars villains. And when he was brought back

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<v Speaker 2>into canon, it was just such a huge and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that what Adam is proposing here is is very realistic.

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<v Speaker 2>So Jason, I'll leave you to read the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay Adam writes, after seeing the Skywalker saga, we've all

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<v Speaker 1>noticed the large number of characters whose absence in the

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<v Speaker 1>finale is glaring. Dave Filoni is known to be an

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<v Speaker 1>encyclopedia of Star Wars knowledge and could provide an answer

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<v Speaker 1>as to why those characters are missing. I postulate postulating.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I postulating right now. I postulate that Thron

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<v Speaker 1>may have recruited them to the chis Ascendancy Dunk dun dum.

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<v Speaker 1>He continues in the Throng novels, Thron had been recruiting

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<v Speaker 1>people to the chiesss cause after the fall of the Empire,

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<v Speaker 1>Thron could no longer see the remnants of the Empire

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<v Speaker 1>as a possible ally for the Chists. That's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they were not strong enough. We know from the Mandalorian

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<v Speaker 1>and Rebels that Ahsoka is actively searching for Ezra and

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Admiral Thron. Thron would likely see Ahsoka, Ezra, Grogu

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<v Speaker 1>and others as assets down to ch if he successfully

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<v Speaker 1>convinces some of all of them to go help the Chesse.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a plausible explanation for their absence during the

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<v Speaker 1>Rise of the First Order.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow Wow, I mean that would probably be like the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest twist of all time. If when Thorn showed up,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd like recruited some of people's most favorite Force users

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<v Speaker 2>to the chessis andency, everyone would be like screaming. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think with the Ahsoka show, yeah, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's not long until we see live action Thorn. It's

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<v Speaker 2>got to happen, right People thought it was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be Richet Ye Grant, which would have been great casting

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<v Speaker 2>in the older Rise of Skywalka. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's I think we're gonna see it. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're operating right now in a kind of time

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<v Speaker 1>period of Star Wars history that is not it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>post Imperial the Rise of the First Order, and we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know a ton of what's going on there. But

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<v Speaker 1>this would be fascinating. I wonder man Thron with Grogu.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that would be dangerous. Oh my god, imagine

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<v Speaker 2>if it with Thrawn, who saved Ggu because he wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to use him.

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<v Speaker 1>I could see Thron and Ezra too. I could see,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Ezra had those kind of flirtations with the

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<v Speaker 1>dark Side or at least with a different No, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it was the dark.

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<v Speaker 2>Direct all the days, we would have called it the

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<v Speaker 2>Gray Jedi, but apparently you say that now you get

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble. So I'm gonna say a flirtation with dark Side.

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<v Speaker 1>But I could I could see Ezra working with Throng.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think something very interesting about this is Grogu

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<v Speaker 2>rejected the Jedi, chose the man Laura ways, so he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't fin Ahsoka rejected the Jedi, did not become a Jedi. Ezra,

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, has had these flotations and existed outside

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<v Speaker 2>of the classic Jedi space. So that is a very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting read because those are characters with that very specific

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<v Speaker 2>thing in common. They are not Jedi as we specifically

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<v Speaker 2>know them, and they kind of of all rejected it

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<v Speaker 2>certain points in their journey.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder how much of Thron's backstory is gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>canon when they bring him over it ac.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that the Zon original trilogy has been recanonized

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<v Speaker 2>and needed a new Throorn trilogy, so we have that.

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<v Speaker 1>To draw from.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you know me, I'm a legends, I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>legend superstan Aka the EU. So anything that brings those

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<v Speaker 2>kind of wild that wild West of Star Wars storytelling

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<v Speaker 2>in I mean, also we have the Acolyte coming out,

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<v Speaker 2>which is going to be you know, through the told

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<v Speaker 2>through the eyes of a Sith. I think there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of interesting space that we could see some of

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<v Speaker 2>these legends characters and a character like Thorn, who is

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<v Speaker 2>animated canon but has not yet made it to live action,

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<v Speaker 2>come into play. I would love to see it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that when they bring Thorn, that's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>like a whole kind of different era of Star Wars

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<v Speaker 2>as we know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to pitch I want. I want to see

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<v Speaker 1>a imperial political drama like House of Cards. Okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's Moth Tarkin verse Thron, both of them like jockeying

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<v Speaker 1>for position.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not a single lightsaber insight, you know much and

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<v Speaker 2>or but like hyper political.

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<v Speaker 1>Hyper political, just them like chess moves against each other,

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<v Speaker 1>each trying to usurp the other, to be like the guy,

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<v Speaker 1>the guy, the number one, number one guy, and then

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<v Speaker 1>and then Darth Vader being like the wild card because

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<v Speaker 1>he thinks he's the guy. I would like to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would like to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, that was really really fun. Adam thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if you have those theories or passions that

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<v Speaker 2>you want to share, you know, we've had adubts about

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of cool stuff and the theory train is

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's it for this really fun episode. What are

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