1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to this week's edition of Fair Territory. We're 2 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: going to start off today talking about the biggest news 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: of the weekend. The first major domino to fall. Aaron Nola, 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: right handed pitcher, free agent seven years, one hundred and 5 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: seventy two million dollars to go back to Philadelphia. Not 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: exactly a surprise, but maybe a little bit of a 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: surprise because the Phillies had not gotten this done in 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: spring training, had not signed Noah to an extension, and 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: his one executive told me, when does Dave Dobrawski not 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: sign a guy that he wants to sign? And it 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: hadn't happened back in March, so obviously it's happened now 12 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it. It's an interesting move in 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, as all free agent signings are, 14 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: and this one, to me, it's a great compliment to 15 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: the Phillies that Aaron Nola wanted to stay, wanted to 16 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: be part of that culture. And it's a compliment to 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: Nola as well, who reportedly he turned down more money 18 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: from other clubs, but he had the self awareness to think, Okay, 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: you know what, I've succeeded here. I've been a really 20 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: good pitcher here. I want to be here. Nola is 21 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: from Baton Rouge. He went to LSU. There was some 22 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: thought maybe he would prefer to go south, maybe even 23 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: to the Atlanta Braves, but no, he goes back to 24 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: the Phillies seven one seventy two. It's a classic Phillies 25 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: free agent deal under Dombrowski. We've seen this before, Bryce Harper, 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: Trey Turner, deals that are stretched out to lower the 27 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: average annual value. Nola's AAV will be twenty four point 28 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: six million. That's only twenty third all time for a 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: starting pitcher. 30 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: Now, it's still really good. 31 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: I know that twenty four point six million a year, 32 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: most of us would take it. But in the general 33 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: scheme of things in the baseball financial world, it is 34 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: a relatively modest salary. But that's the way the Phillies 35 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: do it. They want the lower AAVs to over their 36 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: luxury tax burden. And what they're getting, well, frankly, they're 37 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: getting one of the most durable pitchers in the game. 38 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: Aaron Nola has been that from year to year really 39 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: since the start of his career, and I want to 40 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 1: show you just where he ranks among starting pitchers. Actually 41 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: all pitchers over the last seven seasons in innings pitched, 42 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: because this is telling Garrett Cole, well, he's the leader. 43 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: From twenty seventeen to twenty twenty three, Nola is second. 44 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: Cole hasn't beat by about forty six and a third innings. 45 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: That's it, and Patrick Corbyn and Jose Barrios then Max Sherzer. 46 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: So really, over the last seven seasons, this has been 47 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: one of the most durable pitchers in the game. That 48 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: is why he is getting paid in a very real sense. Obviously, 49 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: he's entering his age thirty one season. You never know 50 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: how pitchers are going to age. But Nola does a 51 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: lot of good things, strikeouts, command innings pitched, and as 52 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: Ino Saras said in The Athletic wrote in our little 53 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: summary of the deal, and I really liked what he said. 54 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: Ino said, Nola on a per game basis is maybe 55 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: not the guy you want. He's not going to outshine 56 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: some of the best aces in the game on a 57 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: per game basis, But on a per season basis, yes, 58 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: Aaron Nola works. He works really well for any team 59 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: and that is why he got the impressive deal that 60 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 1: he did. Now, every signing creates a domino effect. As 61 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, the signing team obviously fills a hole, and 62 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: the teams that do not get the player that they want, 63 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: well for them there is greater urgency. This starting pitcher 64 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: market is deep, but it's not all that deep, and 65 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: the demand still exceeds the supply. You might have seen 66 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: Scott Boris's comments about seven teams needing at least two 67 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: starting pitchers. That probably is the range of accurate. I 68 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: know Boris can be hyperbolic, particularly at this time of year, 69 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: but it seems to me that there are there are 70 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: a number of teams looking for multiple starters. So now 71 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: the question becomes for the Braves, where do they turn? 72 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: Where do the Cardinals turn? Where do all these other 73 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: teams that might have had a spot for Aaron Nola go? 74 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: Now that he is off the board. Now we know 75 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: who the other top free agents are. Siamamoto, It's Snell, 76 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: It's Gray, there are others as well. 77 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 2: We know who the trade candidates are. 78 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: It's Dylan Cees, It's Corbyn Burns, Tyler Glass, now Shane Bieber. 79 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: But again, there are only so many pitchers to go around, 80 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: and it's going to be a scramble. As we go forward, 81 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: but at least now the first domino has fallen. Now 82 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: today in the Athletic I write about another player, Well, 83 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: he is a starting pitcher when he's not hurt. He 84 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: also is one of the best hitters in the game. Yes, 85 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Shohy Otani and the story I wrote, well, 86 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: it's a long story and asked the question what is 87 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: Otani's free agent value? Teams calculating worth without the answers 88 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: on his pitching future. And the questions about Otani are 89 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: not just when he will pitch again coming off his 90 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: second elbow ligament prepair. The questions are how effective he 91 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: will be and even beyond that, how much does he 92 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: want to continue pitching? How long does he want to 93 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: continue pitching? Now, his agent Nesbilelo is telling teams that 94 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: Otani wants to remain a two way player, and there's 95 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: no reason not to believe him. Otani has made a 96 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: great effort to become the player he is, that two 97 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: way superstar, that rare player in the game's history. At 98 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: the same time, I wrote in the story that the 99 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: common belief around the Angels is that he enjoys hitting 100 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: more than he enjoys pitching. And then coming off a 101 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: second major elbow surgery. At some point it's conceivable he 102 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: might say, you know what, I don't know that this 103 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: rehab and all of this effort is word it. So 104 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: I want to show you a quote that I used 105 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: in the story from an American League executive. Now, executives 106 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: are not allowed to comment on free agents, so every 107 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: quote in the story is anonymous. They're not allowed to 108 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: comment on free agents because of the collective Bargaining. 109 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: Agreement which prohibits it. 110 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: The reason for that is that when you have executives 111 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: commenting on free agents, it could depress their value. Right 112 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: You could say, well, we're out on this guy. That 113 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: in effect removes one team from the competition and theoretically 114 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: reduces the competition, reduces. 115 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: The value of the player. 116 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: But let's go to that quote from the American League 117 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: executive because it was pretty telling, in my opinion, about 118 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: the uncertainty that these teams face as they look into Otani. 119 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: The executive said, I think he will come back. I 120 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: think he will pitch very very successfully for a period 121 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: of time. What I need to understand is what is 122 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: his desire to pitch? How long does he want to pitch? 123 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: At the root of it, I think this guy's a hite. 124 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: I think that's what he loves. I don't know how 125 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: long he wants to pitch and how long he can 126 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: successfully continue to do that. Now, this story goes into 127 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: a number of other things too, the possibility of Otani 128 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: playing the outfield if he can't pitch, What is off 129 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: field impact to a team's bottom line might be, and 130 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: how that might affect the bidding, how it might compel 131 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: certain teams to maybe go a little bit higher, even 132 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: maybe compel some teams to go even a little bit 133 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: higher than they had originally planned. And then I also 134 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: get into some structures, possible opt out scenarios. All of that. 135 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: I also make the point that this could take a while, 136 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: and Baseball generally likes these big signings to go down 137 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: at the Winter meetings, but they have. 138 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: No control over that. 139 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: And there is one line of thought that says, okay, teams, 140 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: if they're going to spend five hundred million plus on 141 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: a player, they're going to want a quick answer, because 142 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: of course, if they don't get the player, then they 143 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: want to allocate their resources somewhere else. But the post 144 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: thing of Yoshinobu Yamato, which is expected as soon as 145 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: Monday of this week. That could have an effect on 146 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: the Otani market. Why because Yamamoto will go through a 147 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: forty five day posting process. It could take that long 148 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: for him to sign, and it's in Otani's interest, if 149 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: you think about it, to wait. The team that signs 150 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: Yamamoto likely for two hundred million dollars plus. This kid 151 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: is twenty five years old. You rarely see a free 152 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: agent of that age enter the market. 153 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: And of this quality. 154 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: The teams that miss out on Yamamoto are theoretically going 155 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: to be on tilt and they may be even more 156 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: incentivized to go get Otani. So it's going to be 157 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: really interesting to see how this plays out. This is 158 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: one of the most accomplished players in the game's history. 159 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: This is one of the most unique players in the 160 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: game's history, and it stands to reason and it is 161 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: playing out before our very eyes. His free agency is 162 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: one of the most fascinating. 163 00:08:58,559 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 2: In the game's history. 164 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: Some other news over the weekend, and this is one 165 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: other thing I wanted to get to. The non tendering 166 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: of Brandon Woodroff by the Milwaukee Brewers. I wrote about 167 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: this Saturday, and I explained the situation why he wasn't traded, 168 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: why the Brewers ultimately felt they had to non tender him, 169 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: and their decision was understandable. They didn't want to pay 170 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: Brandon Woodruff eleven million dollars or so in arbitration when 171 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 1: he's coming off shoulder surgery and chances are will not 172 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: peach at all next season. That he could have retained 173 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: him and given him a qualifying offer and at least 174 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: recouped a draft pick if he signed somewhere else after 175 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: next season. But then you're investing another twenty million not 176 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: knowing what he's going to be in twenty twenty five. 177 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: It wasn't great math for the Brewers. It wasn't great 178 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: math for any team, and that's why no team tried 179 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: to trade for him, or at least gave the Brewers 180 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: a worthy enough offer to compel them to make a deal. 181 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: There were talks, various trade talks occurred, by it was 182 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: one of those things that really just was a long 183 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: shot from the very beginning. If a team had traded 184 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: for Woodrof, yeah, they could assigned him to a two 185 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: year deal right away, which is ultimately where he probably 186 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: will land. In free agency with the two year deal, 187 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: but with time running out on the non tender deadline, 188 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: it just became too complicated. Will Brandon Woodriff get a 189 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: great two year deal. I'm not sure the money's going 190 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: to be great. But keep in mind, this is a 191 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: picture whose three point one zero era is the lowest 192 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: in Brewer's history for a picture with a minimum of 193 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: five hundred innings. 194 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 2: That's amazing. 195 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: That tells you who Brandon Woodriff can be when he 196 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: is right now. 197 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: Shoulder surgeries are tricky. 198 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: They're not the same as Tommy John's, which generally have 199 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: a more predictable rehabilitation. I'll put it that way. At 200 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: this point in the game's evolution, Tommy john surgery's first 201 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: ones routinely go well. 202 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: Tany, of course, underwent. 203 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: His second procedure, so you can predict a guy's going 204 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: to come back in twelve to eighteen months, whatever it is, 205 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: and generally guys who come off first Tommy Johns do 206 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: pretty well. Shoulders can be much more difficult to predict, 207 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: much less linear in the progressions that pitchers make in 208 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 1: the rehabs. It's just a tougher thing. So Brandon Woodrooff 209 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: might not be what Tyler Glasna was coming off his 210 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: elbow surgery. Glassnow got a two year, thirty point three 211 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: five million dollar deal. 212 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: I believe it was. It was over thirty. 213 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: Woodroff might not get that much, but he is Brandon Woodrooff. 214 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: And this is the start for the Brewers of an 215 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: off season that is going to be quite interesting. So far, 216 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: they've non tendered Woodroff, they've non tendered Rowdy to Les, 217 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: They've traded for Jake Bowers. They still could move Corbyn 218 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: Burns and William Damas, both of whom are free agents 219 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: after this season. They could even move Devin Williams, who 220 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: is up after the two thousand two twenty five season. 221 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm not convinced they're going to do all these things, 222 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: but as I've written, it might behoove them to do 223 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: that and surround their young position players with a group 224 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: of young pitchers that they could acquire in trades and 225 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: then kind of build their team up again. That would 226 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: be a retooling. It wouldn't be tanking. It would just 227 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: be a team saying, Okay, we're in a little bit 228 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: of a difficult spot. Now we've got to do some 229 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: things to correct ourselves. Or put ourselves in a better position. 230 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: It wouldn't be for the Brewers a bad way to go. 231 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: Time Now for the inside dish. This is the portion 232 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: of the show where I go inside a story I 233 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: might have written, inside a trend in the game, and 234 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: sometimes I go off on a tangent entirely that really 235 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with anything. And this is sort 236 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: of one of those weeks. Though what I'm about to say, 237 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: the rant I'm about to go on does have relevance. Now, 238 00:12:55,200 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: this particular rant I believe I've gone on before, I'm 239 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: going to revive it now. I love my job. I 240 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: love everything about my job. There's just one problem with 241 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: my job, and it's that it never stops. The baseball 242 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: world never stops. It never stops, in part because there 243 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: is no set period for free agent signings, no window 244 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: like you see in the NBA, in the NFL, nothing 245 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: like that. It also never stops because the people running 246 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: the teams never stop. They all try to outwork each 247 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: other all the time. And I trace this back. Whether 248 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: it's accurate or not, I don't know, but it's my 249 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: story and I'm sticking to it. I trace this back 250 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: twenty years ago. This Thanksgiving twenty years ago when THEO, 251 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: Epstein and Jedheyer travel to Arizona to have Thanksgiving dinner 252 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: with Kurt Shilling and his wife Shonda and try to 253 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: convince them to come to Boston. Remember the Shilling trade 254 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: was a pivotal moment in Red Sox history. And yes, 255 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: this all worked out really well for the Red Sox. 256 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: As Red Sox fans, remember, THEO and Jed go to Arizona, 257 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: they get Chilling, and then the following season they end 258 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: the Curse of the Vambino with Chilling playing a major role. 259 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: Also worked out great for Epstein and Hoyer. Beyond that, 260 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: Red Sox win another World Series in two thousand and 261 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: seven with those guys running the team, and then they 262 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: moved to Chicago together and the Cubs win a World 263 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: Series in twenty sixteen. So everything's good for the Red Sox, 264 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: everything's good for THEO and Jed. Not everything is good 265 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: for the rest of the industry that has been working 266 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: like dogs on holidays ever since. The rest of the 267 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: industry now treats every holiday as just another day that 268 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: ends in Why I would not suggest that this is 269 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: a healthy trend. Now, in all fairness, I'm not sure 270 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: that there weren't things happening before THEO and jed along 271 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: these same lines. They probably were, But there was a 272 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: point early in my care we were late eighties and nineties, 273 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: when the sport actually shut down in Christmas time for 274 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: two weeks. 275 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: Doesn't happen anymore. 276 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: You'll see signings right up to Christmas Day, right after 277 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: Christmas Day, up to New Year's It happens all the time. 278 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: But anyway, I'm talking about Thanksgiving here, and I'm gonna 279 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: show you quite vividly some of my own remembrances and 280 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: how my Thanksgivings have been kind of affected by the 281 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: Shenanigans of club executives over the years. These are three 282 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: that I remember in particular, and I will guarantee you 283 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: there have been others. Let's go back to two thousand 284 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: and six, to Carlos Lee signing with the Houston Astros. 285 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: This was actually a Black Friday deal. I reminded the 286 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: agent Adam Katz of this many times. I'm spending Black 287 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: Friday with my family in the Poconos. We had gotten 288 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: away for Thanksgiving. We thought it would be a good idea, 289 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: just one time, just be all together in a place 290 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: kind of away from home. So we're in this mall 291 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: on Black Friday in the Poconos, not a great mall, 292 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: and the news breaks. Naturally, I've got to do a 293 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: little work. Carlos Lee one hundred million. Congratulations Black Friday. 294 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 2: That wasn't exactly a bargain, as it turned out. 295 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: Let's go now to twenty and fourteen. I'm living in 296 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: New York City in a gym in Manhattan on Wednesday 297 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: night before Thanksgiving, when Jesse Sanchez, my good friend and 298 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: a great reporter, breaks the story that the Diamondbacks had 299 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: signed y as Monty Tomas for a six year, sixty 300 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: eight point five million dollar deal. This one didn't work 301 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: out so hot either. Well, that was the eve of Thanksgiving, 302 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: a Wednesday night. That kind of wrecked things on that night. 303 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: And finally, let's go fast forward to one more and 304 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: now we are full fledged in the age of Twitter. 305 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: This is Thanksgiving Day. I get a call from a 306 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: source who says, hey, man, do you want to beat 307 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: your competition or do you just want to sit there 308 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: on your couch lazily watching the parade? Well, sucker that 309 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: I am. Idiot that I am. Maybe you can even 310 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: say workaholic that I am. I say, well, show what's 311 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: going on, and the source tells me that Sean Rodriguez 312 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: was signing with the Atlanta Braves two years eleven million. 313 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: That was Thanksgiving Day. It was just a tweet, but 314 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: that tweet forced a lot of other people to have 315 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: to work and it. 316 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 2: Just wasn't good. 317 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: So this is my annual warning to executives, one that 318 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: gets ignored every single year. My annual warning to stop it. 319 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: Enjoy your turkey, get a wife, just pull back for 320 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: one day. That is my plea. It is my annual plea, 321 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: and I'm sure it. 322 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 2: Once again will fall on deaf years. 323 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: Time out for the dude and dork of the week 324 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: due to the week this week, in other circumstances, probably 325 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: would be Ron Washington. Ron Washington named manager of the 326 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Angels last week. He is a favorite of 327 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: every writer, of everyone in the game, one of the 328 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: great characters of our sport. It's great to see him 329 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: managing again, and I look forward to covering Wash as 330 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: I always do, whether he's a coach a manager. Seeing 331 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: that guy just makes all of our days. So under 332 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: normal circumstances, yes, Ron Washington would be due to the 333 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: week and a great choice. But this week the Dude 334 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: of the Week can only be one man, Peter Sidler, 335 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: the late owner of the San Diego Padres. Peter Sidler 336 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: was just a rare individual and we had a nickname 337 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: for him at the Athletic. The nickname was Sunshine, and 338 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: it was kind of half sarcastic, half affectionate, and we 339 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: called them Sunshine because Peter was relentlessly upbeat, forever optimistic. 340 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: Couldn't ask him a question in which he didn't say, hey, no, 341 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: don't ask me that all good. We're good, everything is great. 342 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: And sometimes we would ask tough questions about their payroll, 343 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: about their sustainability, maybe about a particular trade, whatever the 344 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: move might have been. In all my conversations with him, 345 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: and he was more accessible than almost every owner in 346 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: all of our conversations, I can remember him getting upset 347 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: with me only once. It was December of twenty twenty two. 348 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: I was asking about a financial aspect and he didn't 349 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: want me going there, and we kind of got into 350 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: it a little bit. But by the end of the 351 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: conversation everything was fine. We were just talking again. We 352 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: were talking about baseball, which is what he loved. He 353 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: would send text messages with a smiley faced emoji and 354 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: an emoji of a baseball. That was his thing, and 355 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 1: that was something he did. This was sunshine, And for 356 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: all that he did for that franchise, he needs to 357 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: be remembered as someone who went about it the right way. 358 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: And he passed away at only sixty three. It's too 359 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: young for a guy like this, someone so energetic, someone 360 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: who had so much to give. And I once asked him, hey, 361 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: did you do all this for the Padres, because hey, 362 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: you had been through some health crises. You knew that 363 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: your time might be short. And he said, no, I 364 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: did it for San Diego. I did it because I 365 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: wanted to bring a championship to San Diego. Peter Siler, 366 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: you were an inspiration. We lost you way too soon. 367 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: Peter Seiler, Dude of the Week, Talk of the week. 368 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: Let's go back to the American League MVP announcement last week. Now, 369 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: generally when BBWAA awards are announced, not generally always when 370 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: BBWAAA awards are announced, that's the Baseball Writers' Association of America. 371 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: The winner of the award holds a conference call with 372 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: writers who want to ask questions. This happens for every award, 373 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: every single one, every single year. But when Shohei Otani 374 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: won American League MVP last week, there was no conference call. 375 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 2: We were told there were technical difficulties. 376 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: Now, as I said on Foul Territory, I don't know 377 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: what happened. I don't know how this came about. But 378 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: whoever was responsible for this, you're the dork of the week. 379 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: And you're the dork of the week because this is 380 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: a routine thing. And I know shoe Otani has not 381 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: talked to the media in more than three months, but 382 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: my goodness, he just won the American League MVP and 383 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: what he said on MLB Network, No, that's not enough. 384 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: There were other questions. The writers had questions, the writers 385 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: who voted him the MVP. Now, I know a lot 386 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: of fans think this kind of thing is silly. Who cares. 387 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 2: We didn't need to hear him speak. 388 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: But this is just what has done and it's not 389 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: something that's new for Shoho Tani. It's a third time 390 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: he's won a BBWA Award twenty eighteen Rookie of the Year, 391 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: twy twenty one MVP did conference calls. Now, I know 392 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: the questions might have been not to his liking. He 393 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: probably would have gotten asked a lot about free agency. Well, 394 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to know comment those kinds of questions. 395 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: So again, I don't know who's responsible. I don't know 396 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: who were the people who dropped the ball here, But 397 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: you're all dorks of the week for not getting Shoeotani 398 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: on a conference call with writers winning a reward that 399 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: he received from writers. Time now for grilling Ken. Let's 400 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: get to your questions from the snorting bull. 401 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: Oh, here we go. 402 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: With the Rays increasing their payroll north of one hundred 403 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: and twenty five million dollars, what are the chances that 404 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: the team keeps class now for the twenty twenty four season. 405 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: McClanahan is going to miss the season, so Glass now 406 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: can fill that hole, and they can still get a 407 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: draft pick through free agency next year. Good analysis, snorting bull, 408 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: You're not wrong about any of that. I just have 409 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: a hard time seeing the Rays keep Glass now when 410 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 1: they're payroll right now, according to Fangrafts projects to one 411 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty six million dollars. Now, they might say, well, 412 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: that's not terrible, that's not all that much compared to 413 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: Yankees Phillies, Padres. 414 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: Mets, et cetera. 415 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: But for the Rays, it's a huge jump. The highest 416 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: opening day payroll in team history was eighty three million, 417 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: so they're going to be forty three million dollars above 418 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: where they've ever been. I have a hard time seeing it. 419 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: Glass now is making twenty five million next season, and 420 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: one of the reasons they signed him to this deal, 421 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: this two year, thirty million dollar plus deal when he 422 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: was coming off Tommy John surgery, was to possibly have 423 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: the ability to trade him in that second season high salary. Yes, 424 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: but he's Tyler glafnow, pretty darn good picture when he's healthy, 425 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: and I'm sure he will draw a considerable trade interest. 426 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: Final question, let's see what we have here. It comes 427 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: from Jerry Caley. Jerry's I believe, been one of our 428 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: questioners before, and he asked, now that the postseason awards 429 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: are done, let's start a new one. Who is your 430 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: selection for best run franchise? 431 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 2: Wow? 432 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: This is an interesting one because you're gonna look at 433 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: it any number of ways. The team that gets the 434 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: most for the amount of money it spends is probably 435 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, right, But I would say the best run 436 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: franchise and I'll even go with them over some other 437 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: ones that are equally well run or as well run. 438 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: I would say it's the Los Angeles Dodgers. And you 439 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: can say, well, Ken, they've only won one World Series 440 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty eight and it was in a short season. 441 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 2: What are you talking about? 442 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: Okay, I get it, But they've performed remarkably under the 443 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: Freedman Dave Roberts regime. They are in the playoffs virtually 444 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: every year. They have one of the best farm systems 445 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: in the game virtually every year. Yes, they have more money, 446 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: no doubt about it, and they generally use it quite well. 447 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: But in terms of putting a competitive, winning team on 448 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: the field every season, giving their fans something to look 449 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 1: forward to every season, no team has done it as 450 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: consistently well over a longer period than the Dodgers. The 451 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: Braves have been great, the Astros have been great, other 452 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: teams too, But the Dodgers. They are right now. The 453 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: landmark franchise, the model franchise, the one that the Mets, 454 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: for instance, under Steve Cohen, talk about emulate. Thanks for 455 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: all your questions, Thanks to everyone for listening, for watching. 456 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: You know where to find us Apple, Spotify, YouTube like us, 457 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: subscribe to US. 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