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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: No remorse, no remorse whatsoever. Nick Reiner stone faced and

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Speaker 2: court in the last hours, uttering only three.

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Speaker 1: Words in front of the judge.

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Speaker 2: This as the suspect is facing claims he slit his parents'

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Speaker 2: throats in their sleep. Rob Reiner, his wife Michelle Singer,

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Speaker 2: writer murdered. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I

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Speaker 2: want to thank you for being with us. Brutal murder

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Speaker 2: of Hollywood legend Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle.

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Speaker 1: It was a horrific scene. There was blood everywhere, slaughtered

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Speaker 2: Swooping in is high profile lawyer Alan Jackjackson, who has

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Speaker 2: represented the likes of Karen Reid, Harvey Weinstein, so many others.

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Speaker 1: And this is what he has to say.

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Speaker 3: There are very very complex and serious issues that are

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Speaker 3: associated with this case. Therese need to be thoroughly but

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Speaker 3: very carefully dealt with and examined and looked at and analyzed.

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Speaker 3: This was a continuance of arrangement. Nothing happened today substantively.

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Speaker 3: Will be back for an arrangement in the same department

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Speaker 3: on the seventh of January and we'll see you then.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to analyze that.

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Speaker 2: That's where our friends at Fox News joining me an

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Speaker 2: all star panel. He says, there are very very complex,

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Speaker 2: serious issues associated.

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Speaker 1: With this case.

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Speaker 2: In other words, how am I going to get paid?

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Speaker 2: And what in the hey am I going to tell

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Speaker 2: a jury my client was covered in his parents' blood

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Speaker 2: he acted normally.

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Speaker 1: There goes the mental defense.

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Speaker 2: Those are the complex issues Alan Jackson is thinking about tonight,

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Speaker 2: Very complex, serious.

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Speaker 1: Issues associated with this case.

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Speaker 2: Those need to be thoroughly but very carefully dealt with

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Speaker 2: lot happened. Joining me, Jacqueline Roth, editor in chief Okay Magazine, Jacqueline,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for being with us. Nick Reiner

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Speaker 2: in court, completely stone faced, no remorse whatsoever what happened.

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Speaker 4: He only said three words, yes, your honor, which is

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Speaker 4: really frightening. I mean, you know, he allegedly just killed

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Speaker 4: everyone out there. It's very very concerning, and obviously all

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Speaker 4: the drug stuff that's come out about him and all

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Speaker 4: these things are now catching up with him. We've now

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Speaker 4: seen old videos of him, you know, saying all these things,

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Speaker 4: all this money he's been using from his parents. It's super,

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Speaker 4: super frightening and scary. You know what was really going

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Speaker 4: something bigger than anyone could have ever imagined.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about the developments in the last hours.

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Speaker 2: Nick ryin or in court making a first appearance, and

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Speaker 2: during that appearance, he doesn't play guilty. He doesn't plead

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Speaker 2: not guilty. Troy Slayton joining us high profile lawyer out

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Speaker 2: He's a veteran criminal defense attorney with Slayton Lawyers. Troy Slayton,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us tonight. He can't say

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Speaker 1: Your honor. I mean, why the drama, why the suspense?

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Speaker 2: Is this somehow distirring the pot of mental defect on

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Speaker 2: behalf of Nick Reiner, which of course is not going

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Speaker 2: to work because voluntary use of drugs and alcohol is

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Speaker 1: So why not in repla, is he pulling a coburger?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely not, Nancy. This is a very common thing that

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Speaker 5: Los Angeles. He waved time for his arrangment. He's entitled

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Speaker 5: to another date. This way, This way his attorney can

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Speaker 5: when he comes in on January seventh, likely declare a

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Speaker 5: He's waiting to see a copy of the discovery, the

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Speaker 2: Troy, he has to see and what the state's gotten

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Speaker 2: if he were incident, wouldn't he says?

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Speaker 5: Would reason, Nancy, There's a strategic reason, because once you

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Speaker 2: On the state to lead, Troy, do not try and

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Speaker 2: that really means nothing because the defense can ask.

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Speaker 1: For delay, delay, delay, delay and get it.

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Speaker 2: So The only thing that would legally be triggered is

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Speaker 2: if the defense, Oh I'm hearing a buzzing in my ear.

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Speaker 2: Oh it is Troy Slaton. The only thing that is

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Speaker 1: Cases can go years without being tried. So that's not accurate.

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Speaker 2: This is, as you said, correctly, a rategic tactic.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and it happens every single day in court. This

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Speaker 1: It's standards, just strategy. We're being played.

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Speaker 2: We all know we're being played, but that is not

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Speaker 2: going to deter anyone from seeking justice. Guys, shedding insight

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Speaker 2: on the family dynamic is a very special guest now.

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Speaker 2: She is an investigative reporter and she is a producer

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Speaker 2: and advocate. Heather Michaels is also a Rener family friend.

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Speaker 2: She is a neighbor.

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Speaker 1: Heather. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, Nancy.

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Speaker 2: What do you recall happened following the discovery of Michelle

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Speaker 7: All right, we all saw this fold in real time.

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Speaker 7: You know, I I the tragedy of this really is,

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Speaker 7: Nick has struggled with mental health issues. He has struggled with,

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Speaker 7: I'm trying to come from a place of love and empathy,

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Speaker 7: And I appreciate everything you said, because he really nailed it,

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Speaker 7: and that you cannot be ignored either.

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Speaker 2: She is a producer and advocate, but tonight she's here

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Speaker 2: as a neighbor and a friend of the Reiner family. Heather,

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Speaker 2: I had the opportunity, the privilege of getting to meet

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Speaker 1: He was so kind to me, and he had absolutely.

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Speaker 2: No reason he should have been or needed to, and

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Speaker 1: And it struck me.

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Speaker 2: How he would be familiar with other people and kind

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Speaker 2: you mentioned that Nick Reiner now being held behind bars

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Speaker 2: and the murders of both of his parents, Rob and

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Speaker 2: Michelle battle not only drug addiction but mental health issues.

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Speaker 2: What I'm not familiar with him ever being diagnosed with

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Speaker 7: So that is the severe underlying issue is you know,

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Speaker 7: it's a mix of like a bipolar and media small

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Speaker 7: This is something that it could have been actually one

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Speaker 7: They were sleeping, you know, this was after that party,

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Speaker 7: and you know, it's it's just unthinkable, it's unfathomable.

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Speaker 2: It's very hard for me to take in Heather, My

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Speaker 2: The thought of taking a knife and slitting her throat

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Speaker 2: is physically repulsive to me. You stated that you believe

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Speaker 2: Nick Reiner was bipolar, possibly schizophrenic. Do you know he

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Speaker 7: There was some level of diagnosis and it was he

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Speaker 7: You know, as you know, there's various levels. So he

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Speaker 2: Did he have a formal diagnosis, because nowhere in any

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Speaker 2: bipolar or diagnosed schizophrenic. I repeatedly am hearing from multiple

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Speaker 7: From what I am told, it's a combination. And like

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Speaker 2: So there was no formal diagnosis, did the rhiners there

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Speaker 7: This is something that was discussed from time to time,

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Speaker 1: You he was bipolar or schizophrenic.

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Speaker 7: There was discussion of mental health challenges and that that

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm taking that as a no formal diagnosis,

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Speaker 1: They discussed mental health challenges absolutely, yes, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: When you would observe Nick Reiner, what did you say?

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Speaker 7: Sometimes I would see a you know, a fairly balanced child.

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Speaker 7: But then there were times when some things that he

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Speaker 7: You know, I've known other families in the industry with

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Speaker 7: You know, he struggled with those issues and then also

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Speaker 1: Let's hear it from the horse's mouth.

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Speaker 11: Why do you like snapple so much?

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Speaker 12: Because when I'm done drinking it, I can go in

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Speaker 8: Sometimes I just come out to gather.

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Speaker 13: My my sick thoughts, you know, we're close to making

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Speaker 6: Star that he deserves to be.

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Speaker 13: Fifty million on the line, and they were like black

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Speaker 8: The whole time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, now I see what you're saying, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Statements, Sidney Summer joining US investigative reporter Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Sidney, what we were just playing? I believe.

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Speaker 2: Was him acting in a different persona or was that

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Speaker 10: You know, Nancy, It's a little bit hard to tell.

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Speaker 10: There's not a lot of context associated with this YouTube video.

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Speaker 10: This was posted to Nick Reiner's YouTube in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 10: The title is d Dud David. So I think what's

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Speaker 10: happening here is that Reiner is portraying a Bubba Gump

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Speaker 2: Sidney, Can I just ask you a very harsh question.

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Speaker 2: Are you just spinning out here? Are you extrapolating? Are

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Speaker 2: because you want to think that. You don't want to

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Speaker 2: think that. Nick Reiner says, I drink Snapple because I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to think that.

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Speaker 10: Well, that might be part of it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you are projecting that nobody in their right

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Speaker 8: Why do you like Snapple so much? Mainly because.

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Speaker 12: When I'm done drinking it, I can go in my

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Speaker 14: You know, we're close to making a deal that will

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Speaker 13: Star that he deserves to be fifty million on the line,

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Speaker 13: and they were like back to major the whole time.

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Speaker 2: So let me understand under Sydney Summers would be theory

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Speaker 1: Okay, more of Nick Reiner from the Horse's Mouth.

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Speaker 11: I guess it could have been pretty awkward to Impede

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna go back to.

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Speaker 11: Show that you bought Heroin off a transvestine.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't lost, are you No?

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Speaker 15: I have a famous dad and a famous grandpa, and

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Speaker 8: So I wanted to etch out my own identity with a.

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Speaker 1: What that's from?

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Speaker 2: Inside Out Podcast with Paul Mercurio. Did I just hear

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Speaker 1: Aren't they? Is he blaming his father? Rob Crime Stories

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Speaker 2: Heather Michaels is with us, who is not only an

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Speaker 2: find her on Insta at Heather Michael's TV. She is

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Speaker 2: a friend of the Reiner family and a neighbor. It

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Speaker 2: seems to me that Nick Reiner had everything handed to him,

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Speaker 2: for Pete's sake. It's just everything to tramp into his

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Speaker 1: I mean, he had the life.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand his hatred toward his parents, blaming them

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Speaker 7: You know, there's a lot of theories just in general

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Speaker 7: the drug abuse that absolutely impacted his personality.

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Speaker 11: You brought heroin off a transvestite.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't lost, are you no?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 2: The son of Rob Reiner and wife Michelle Singer Reiner

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Speaker 2: in court wearing a suicide vest, shackled hand and foot,

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Speaker 2: no remorse at all. His high priced lawyer, Alan Jackson says,

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Speaker 2: this case is very complex. He asked for a continuance,

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Speaker 2: going to make sure that check is good. He is

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Speaker 1: By the way you saw the Karen.

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Speaker 2: Reed trial outcome he defended Harvey Weinstein is a total ps.

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Speaker 2: that and many many more. What card is up his sleeve?

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Speaker 2: In this case, we are told that Nick Reiner was

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Speaker 2: covered in his parents' blood, had the wherewithal to leave

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Speaker 2: the scene, pack new, fresh clothes. Let's see the video

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Speaker 2: of him in a gas station, goes to a nearby hotel,

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Speaker 1: There, he is in completely clean clothes, he packed fresh

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Speaker 1: We had to go get himself a drink.

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Speaker 2: That video from our friends at CBS News good luck,

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Speaker 2: arguing mental defect after that video. He also had the

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Speaker 2: who the thunk he did? Cunning cunning. In the last hours,

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Speaker 2: joining us Jacqueline Roth, editor in chief OK Magazine. Jacqueline,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us tonight. What is the

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Speaker 4: The official cod is multiple sharp force injuries aka likely

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Speaker 4: that the knife slit their throat, unfortunately, which is so tragic.

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Speaker 4: He as you saw in that video, he obviously was

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Speaker 4: and you know, it's a very haunting video in general.

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Speaker 4: But as you said, all his clothes were clean, the

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Speaker 4: you know, it's it's unthinkable that he could commit something

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Speaker 2: Can I say, Jacqueline Roth, please, Jacqueline Roth, U, I'd

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Speaker 2: like you to review the gas station video again. Can

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Speaker 2: I see that control room very quickly? The gas station video?

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Speaker 2: You say he looks haunted To me, he looks thirsty.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't look haunted. He's going looking around. I see

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Speaker 2: there's that diet doctor pepper and he goes and pays

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Speaker 4: It's slightly chilling. I mean, look the way that he's

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Speaker 1: He's looking Jacqueline, that's true.

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Speaker 2: He's looking for the refrigerated aisle to Karen start joining me.

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Speaker 2: Forensic psychologists, renowned TV and radio.

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Speaker 1: Advocate.

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Speaker 2: She's an expert, she has a consultant and you can

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Speaker 2: find her at Karenstark dot com Karen Stark. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: look haunted to me. I think that's certainly open to interpretation.

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Speaker 2: To me, he looks like he's looking for the refrigerated

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Speaker 2: probably with a credit card that's sent to his mom

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Speaker 6: Without a doubt, Nancy, because they took such good care

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Speaker 6: to mental health, it's almost impossible to know what to

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Speaker 6: do with your child. It's a terrible situation. I want

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Speaker 6: to add that this kind of drug abuse for so

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Speaker 9: In other words, he didnt make the decisions impulsive. He

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Speaker 9: clearly had a hostile dependency relationship with his parents. He

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Speaker 9: he was thirty two years old, he felt inferior. There's

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Speaker 9: so much evidence that points to that, and there was

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Speaker 6: He messed up their guest house. That's been reported repeatedly,

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Speaker 6: and his sister was afraid of him, and a neighbor

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Speaker 2: Karen start will put and that is why you're a

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Speaker 2: renowned TV radio trauma expert. Joe Scott Morgan joining us now.

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Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan is Professor of Forensics to Jacksonville State University.

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Speaker 2: He is the author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.

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Speaker 2: He is the star of a hitting you podcast, Body

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Speaker 2: Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 1: But for my purposes. He is a death investigator who

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Speaker 1: has investigated.

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Speaker 2: Thousands, over ten thousand death scenes to determine one of

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Speaker 2: just a handful of manners of death. There's a difference

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Speaker 2: between cod cause of death and manner of death. Manner

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Speaker 2: of death can only be accidental suicide, natural causes such

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Speaker 2: as heart attack or stroke unexplained, or homicide.

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Speaker 1: Those are your choices.

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott, thank you for being with us tonight. Joe

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Speaker 2: Scott Morgan, could you explain what Jacqueline Roth from OK

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Speaker 2: magazine just reported as the official c D Because Joe

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Speaker 2: Scott I got a problem. It's bad enough that their

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Speaker 2: throats were split in their sleep, which leads me to

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Speaker 2: a special circumstance.

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Speaker 1: The DA hasn't included lying in.

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Speaker 2: Wait, but also there were other stab wounds Joe Scott,

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Speaker 2: other stab wounds.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean in your world?

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Speaker 16: It means that this is an anger filled, frenzied attack,

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Speaker 16: you know, Nancy, You know, because this is something that

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Speaker 16: is driven by rage. We see this many times, particularly

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Speaker 16: with sharp force injuries. Think about what you use a knife,

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Speaker 16: a pair of scissors for a hatchet, for those sorts

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Speaker 16: of things. They are used to slice and destroy things. Right,

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Speaker 16: It's the most personal of types of attack that you

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Speaker 16: can possibly have in my field and so and it's

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Speaker 16: in addition to that, Nancy, this is something that everybody

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Speaker 16: needs to hold on to. This is always a close

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Speaker 16: and personal and I have my own theory about this.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 16: You know, based upon what has been stated thus far,

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Speaker 16: that mister and mister Reiner and miss Singer were found

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Speaker 16: in their bed, it would not be outside the realm

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Speaker 16: possibility that the attacker potentially climbed into bed with them

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Speaker 16: to facilitate the attack if they did not have the

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Speaker 16: opportunity to flee. So again, this goes to this very personal,

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Speaker 16: personal event that has taken place. I hate to use

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Speaker 16: the term events more like butchery, because I can guarantee

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Speaker 16: you that's what it would have been. But Nancy, there's

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Speaker 16: something that is even more dark here. Because the medical

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Speaker 16: examiner listed the cause of death. They ruled it the

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Speaker 16: manner as homicide of but they said multiple sharp force injuries.

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Speaker 16: But they see, you know, there's a line beneath this

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Speaker 16: where it says and other significant conditions contributed to their deaths.

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Speaker 16: And that's like this big unknown that's hiding out there.

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Speaker 16: And we can put any number of things into those categories,

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Speaker 16: all right. You can say that there was underlying natural disease,

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Speaker 16: like you know, if someone is attacked you have heart disease,

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Speaker 16: you're not going to survive it. There could be toxicological issues.

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Speaker 16: I can't imagine they would have talks back this soon.

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Speaker 16: But you also have the specter of blunt force trauma

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Speaker 16: like where they were hit, punched, kicked, stomped, any number

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Speaker 16: of things like that and it's really painting this very

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Speaker 16: very dark picture as we moved through all of this

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Speaker 16: data that's coming forth to us. Now we're going to

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Speaker 16: know more. We're not going to know everything because this

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Speaker 16: is an ongoing case, but just this little bit of

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Speaker 16: the information that the coroner has really used out in

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Speaker 16: la is something to you know, kind of kind of

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Speaker 16: chew on for a bit here, because this is going

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Speaker 16: to be highly complex from a forensic standpoint.

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Speaker 17: Upon arrival, officers located two deceased individuals inside the residents,

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Speaker 17: later identified as Rob and Rob Reiner and Michelle Reiner.

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Speaker 17: Both victims were found in the master bedroom of the

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Speaker 17: area of the home. Officers conducting a thorough search of

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Speaker 17: the residents to determine whether there were any additional victims

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Speaker 17: or suspects, and no one else was located.

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Speaker 10: Nick Reiner is charged with two counts of murder with

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Speaker 10: the special circumstances of multiple murders because he killed two

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Speaker 10: people at the same time. From an early age, he

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Speaker 10: appeared to be a difficult child, He had.

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Speaker 1: Anger in his eyes.

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Speaker 2: Nick Reiner is an abuse or is a drug addict.

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Speaker 2: The district attorney stating that these charges include special circumstances.

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Speaker 1: What are they?

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Speaker 2: Special circumstances are alleged and they must be under the

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Speaker 2: law alleged in the indictment.

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Speaker 1: If the death penalty is being sought.

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Speaker 2: When a murder occurs with quote special circumstances, that means

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Speaker 2: that there are circumstances supporting the state seeking the death penalty.

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Speaker 2: That is not true in every homicide.

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Speaker 1: The special circumstances that have.

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Speaker 2: Been announced in this case are one mass murder which

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Speaker 2: means more than one.

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Speaker 1: Body, and to the use of a weapon.

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Speaker 2: To Troy Slayton joining me veteran trial lawyer defense attorney

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Speaker 2: out of LA Isn't that true, Troy?

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Speaker 5: It is true. There's currently a moratorium in place, signed

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Speaker 5: by the governor by executive order, but that could change

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Speaker 5: as soon as a new governor is elected, or there's

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Speaker 5: some sort of proposition put into law by the people

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Speaker 5: of the state of California.

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Speaker 2: So a new governor could eradicate Newsom's moratorium. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of people sitting on California's death row, or the

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Speaker 2: people of California could vote on a proposition allowing or

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Speaker 2: getting rid of the moratorium. Choice Layton and many jurisdictions

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Speaker 2: there are multiple special circumstances. You know, both of us

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Speaker 2: have worked on death penalty cases before. I was thinking

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Speaker 2: about the possibility of pecuniary interest as an underlying factor,

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Speaker 2: a special circumstance in this case, because as it stands

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Speaker 2: right now, Nick Reiner could inherit from his parents. Killing

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Speaker 2: them would make him one of the few beneficiaries there

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Speaker 2: are four children.

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Speaker 5: It could if he were to not be convicted. However,

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Speaker 5: California prohibits people from profiting from their crime. So if

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Speaker 5: he is convicted of actly yes, if he is convicted.

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Speaker 2: Of guilty by reason of insanity, that's a good question.

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Speaker 5: He would probably spend the rest of his life in

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Speaker 5: a California mental institution, possibly at Patton State Hospital here

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Speaker 5: in California, where, whether he had the money or not,

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Speaker 5: he wouldn't be able to use it.

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Speaker 2: Correction tiny correction gb or I. Under the California Slayer Act,

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Speaker 2: someone that kills the victim cannot then inherit under the

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Speaker 2: law if they're convicted. If they're found in gb r

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Speaker 2: I not guilty by reason of insanity, it then is

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Speaker 2: thrown into probate and they may inherit GB or I

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Speaker 2: not guilty insanity Once you are. Once you are treated

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Speaker 2: and declared well, you then are out of the mental facility.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that right?

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Speaker 5: It is so rare for somebody who is convicted of well,

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Speaker 5: found not guilty by reason of insanity, placed in California

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Speaker 5: mental hospital to ever be released.

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Speaker 8: It almost the.

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Speaker 2: Answer to that would be yes, once treated and declared well.

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Speaker 1: Look at Hankley last I looked.

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Speaker 5: The way that it works in California is you're entitled

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Speaker 5: to another jury trial on whether or not you're well.

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Speaker 2: But again, he could walk after being deemed cured, even

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Speaker 2: following a not guilty by raising up.

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Speaker 1: Are you familiar with John Hankley? Is that ringing a

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Speaker 1: bell to you?

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Speaker 5: Yes, but that's not California.

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Speaker 1: Do you recall what John Hinckley was convicted of.

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Speaker 5: Yes, shooting the president of the United States.

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Speaker 1: And do you know where he is today? He's out, Yes,

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Speaker 1: he he is out. That's what happened.

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Speaker 5: It was an attempted assassination. It wasn't murder.

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Speaker 1: I'm the president.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I feel like I should be talking

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Speaker 2: to a lamppost right now. Hinckley walked. It could happen.

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Speaker 2: Things change. Charles Manson got the death penalty. Then the

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Speaker 2: law changed and he got life behind bars. Then when

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Speaker 2: the DP was reinstated, it would not be applied retroactively.

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Speaker 1: You never know what's going to happen. So back to

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Speaker 1: where I started.

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Speaker 2: Pecuniary interest in the death of the victim is typically

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Speaker 2: a special circumstance, and lying in wait is a special circumstance.

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Speaker 2: To Joseph Scott Morgan, you brought up the specter that

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Speaker 2: he Nick Reiner waited until his parents were asleep to

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Speaker 2: sneak in and murder them.

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Speaker 1: That's lying in wait.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, of course is. And listen, Nancy, you know I

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Speaker 14: talked about how personal these these the slaughter was, uh.

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Speaker 14: And with that being said, this goes to an idea

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Speaker 14: that whoever did this would have familiarity with the habits

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Speaker 14: of the victims. They would know what time individuals went

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Speaker 14: to bed, They would know where their bedroom is, right

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Speaker 14: and so how how better to do this than to wait?

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Speaker 14: Because not only are you trying to the assailant could

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Speaker 14: be attempting to kill one person, they're trying to kill two.

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Speaker 14: So you have to be able to take advantage of

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Speaker 14: the darkness. You have to be able to take advantage

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Speaker 14: that the person or persons are not aware of what's

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Speaker 14: going along, going around because they might be in rim

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Speaker 14: at that point in time. So yeah, I think that

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Speaker 14: that lying in wait is a big factor here going forward.

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Speaker 14: And what does that go to, That goes to some

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Speaker 14: level of planning.

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Speaker 2: Crime stores With Nancy Gray.

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Speaker 11: You know, he's been great.

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Speaker 2: He's you know, hasn't been doing drug for over six years.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's he's in a really good place. I

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Speaker 1: really much to hear that.

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Speaker 16: Much better place.

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Speaker 1: He's a good place now.

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Speaker 18: Though Rob Reiner boasted in September that previously troubled son

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Speaker 18: Nick has been cleaned for more than six years now,

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Speaker 18: a source close to the family says Reiner was rapidly

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Speaker 18: declining in the weeks before attacking his parents. The source

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Speaker 18: claims Reiner did not give any indication of violent tendencies,

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Speaker 18: and if he had, things would have been much different.

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Speaker 2: You were hearing Rob Reiner speaking with Terry Gross on

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Speaker 2: NPR's Fresh Air podcast. Karen start joining us addiction specialist

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Speaker 2: for now TV radio trauma expert and forensic psychologist, Karen

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Speaker 2: Why is it we parents don't want to see anything

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Speaker 2: wrong with our children.

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Speaker 6: It's purely instinctive. Nancy think about the twins. It makes

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Speaker 6: such a difference. When it's you child, you want to

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Speaker 6: believe the best. And it was a long time, a

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Speaker 6: very long time since he was in rehab, and so

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Speaker 6: it was what they were hoping. It was not the

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Speaker 6: reality because allegedly he was getting worse. He did trash

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Speaker 6: the guest house. He certainly was hostile when he went

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Speaker 6: to that party, enough so that somebody private like Rob Reiner,

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Speaker 6: actually had a fight with him, an argument in front

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Speaker 6: of all those people, which was reported. And so he

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Speaker 6: was not actually this mild kid who had recovered and

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Speaker 6: was doing very well. But parents want to believe that,

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Speaker 6: desperately want to believe that.

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Speaker 2: And of course now the endless finger pointing has started,

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Speaker 2: including blaming the victims.

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Speaker 5: Listen, what did Rob Ryaner do so bad that this

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Speaker 5: kid hated him so much?

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Speaker 16: Was it money?

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Speaker 6: Was it abuse?

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Speaker 1: Was it neglect? High test?

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Speaker 2: You're right, I don't know how the Rhiners were his parents,

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Speaker 2: but I do know, and which I'm quite frankly kind

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Speaker 2: of embarrassed that you don't, is that you can't just

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Speaker 2: murder your parents.

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Speaker 1: What they mean, do you?

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Speaker 2: That is from at the Midnight one two three on

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Speaker 2: TikTok and chillis Girl Forever on TikTok. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: go to a family friend that knows the Rhiners, that

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Speaker 2: knows Nick Hiner, that has known them for years. Heather

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Speaker 2: Michaels is with US investigative reporter producer at Heather Michael's TV. Heather,

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Speaker 2: I strongly resent people asking what did the Rhiners do

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Speaker 2: to deserve this. They didn't deserve this, And all they

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Speaker 2: did was love him and pay for his endless rehab stancing,

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Speaker 2: give him a place to live, a car to try.

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Speaker 2: I think I saw him driving by in a restored

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Speaker 2: vintage Mustang. I think I saw that he didn't pay

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Speaker 2: for that. He didn't pay for those clothes. He probably

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Speaker 2: charged his parents for his Heidi hole after the murder.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they did nothing wrong. They did everything they

671
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Speaker 2: could to help him.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and the comments are disgraceful, They're despicable, But everybody's

673
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 7: got an opinion. Now, you know, you have all these

674
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 7: podcasts that everyone wants to chime in. These are two

675
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 7: parents that were absolutely fantastic. We're loving, compassionate. You know,

676
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 7: you ask neighbors, you ask the long term, longtime family friends.

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00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 7: People in the industry. Everybody loved and adore these people,

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Speaker 7: and they were fantastic with each and every one of

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Speaker 7: their children.

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Speaker 1: They gave him a clear choice.

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Speaker 2: You can live here in our multimillion dollar home, I

682
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Speaker 2: believe the home and once belonged to Norman Lear it's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Or you can go to reh or you can go

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Speaker 2: to jail or the street. And we're learning that from

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Speaker 2: a movie created by Rob Reiner with his son Nick,

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Speaker 2: detailing Nick Reiner's struggles with drugs, and it's called Being Charlie.

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Speaker 1: What does the movie reveal? Look, I love it, I

688
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Speaker 1: love it.

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Speaker 8: I don't love it.

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Speaker 13: You've had plenty of course, Charlie, you have or jail.

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Speaker 1: You know, quite a wide selection there.

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Speaker 6: One of us have to keep him safe for him

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Speaker 6: or for you.

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Speaker 1: That's from Being Charlie.

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Speaker 2: And you clearly see this is a mirror of the

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Speaker 2: winer's life, the arguments, the fights, the disruptions with the son,

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Speaker 2: Nick Reiner. The dad says, you've had plenty of choices,

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Speaker 2: and the son says, yeah, rehab or jail. What a selection?

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 2: To Karen Stark, people all over this country would love

701
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Speaker 2: to be in Betty Ford or some other really expensive,

702
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 2: really posh rehab where they could live in luxury and

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Speaker 2: actually get well.

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Speaker 6: Yes, but Nancy, in this case, nothing really worked for him.

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Speaker 6: I want to say something about the movie, if that's

706
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 6: okay with you. I think that the movie had a

707
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Speaker 6: negative effect on him. And the reason I'm saying this

708
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Speaker 6: is it portrays him as the one in the family

709
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Speaker 6: that is not okay, the one that's sick, the one

710
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 6: that has drug problems. And I think that what that

711
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 6: did was reinforce his feelings of inferiority and the fact

712
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Speaker 6: that he could not get out from underon couldn't stop

713
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Speaker 6: his addiction.

714
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Speaker 1: Karen, it was his movie. He wanted to know badly

715
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Speaker 1: to be a screenwriter.

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Speaker 2: That's the only credit he's got for Pete's sake. His

717
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: father handed it to him on a silver platter.

718
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Speaker 6: But Nancy looked at the credit. It's a negative credit.

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Speaker 6: I don't know that he actually thought about that. I

720
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Speaker 6: bet he did it. I mean, he wanted his story told,

721
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,839
Speaker 6: but it's a bad story, and he really couldn't do

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00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 6: anything after that. He couldn't move forward. He just had

723
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Speaker 6: this week.

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Speaker 1: We never did anything before that.

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00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 6: Right, But it shows him as being the one of

726
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 6: all of the children and the parents and the grandparents.

727
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 6: That was not successful, that didn't do well.

728
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something.

729
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: Are you saying that the movie was not the truth,

730
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Speaker 2: Karen Stark?

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Speaker 6: No, I'm saying it was. But I'm saying that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Can I help that? Could Rob Reiner help that

733
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: that was the truth. The point of the movie was

734
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Speaker 1: to help other people.

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Speaker 6: About I'm talking the bet.

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Speaker 1: I can't help that.

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Speaker 2: You think that had a negative impact on Nick Reiner.

738
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: To Heather Michaels, I want to follow up with what

739
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: Karen Stark is saying. The one movie, the one credit

740
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Speaker 2: Nick Reiner ever had was a movie his father created

741
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: and brought him in on it to help other people.

742
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: Heather, I don't know how.

743
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: That could have had a negative impact on Nick Rhyner.

744
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 2: You got a big fat paycheck out of the thing.

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Speaker 7: The movie could have had such a tremendous impact on

746
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 7: so many people. It could have been educational. His story

747
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 7: was being told in a very respectful way, in a

748
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 7: very educational way. That movie was fantastically done, and it

749
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 7: really could have made such an impact for others. But

750
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Speaker 7: rather that portrayal and the way he Nick, you know what,

751
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 7: Nick took from it, then it ended up having such

752
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 7: a negative impact. And this is being played over and

753
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Speaker 7: over and over again.

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Speaker 2: In an eerie premonition. Let's take a look at Nick

755
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: Reiner rapping.

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Speaker 12: And I don't even care if anyone calls me a

757
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 12: sally because I'm a snail and I'm never gonna fail.

758
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 8: And you know what, You're going to have to bail

759
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 8: me out of jail.

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00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: Nate Ryiner behind bars tonight without bail. Let's take a

761
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 2: look at Rob Reiner.

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Speaker 16: You call her up, you say them a let's get together.

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00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 16: We look at swatches.

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Speaker 13: What have I done?

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Speaker 8: Why don't you just make ten louder?

766
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Speaker 15: And make ten be the top number, and make that

767
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Speaker 15: a little louder.

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Speaker 8: These card two eleven.

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Speaker 1: I'm never gonna get out of this town.

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Speaker 2: I'm my glory.

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Speaker 8: You can do anything you want.

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Speaker 1: Man, I'll have what she's having.

773
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Speaker 8: What the truth?

774
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Speaker 1: You can't handle the truth.

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00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 6: I like to take care of one foot at a time.

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00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about this case,

777
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: the state is building a case. As we go to

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00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 2: Eric tonight, please dial eight hundred two two eight four

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00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: seven seven.

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00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: Did you see Nick Ryner that evening? Did he speak

781
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: to you. Did you observe anything he did? Did you

782
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: see him slow down throw something out of the window,

783
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: i e. A knife? If you know or think you.

784
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: Know anything about this case, please dial eight hundred two

785
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 2: two two eight four seven seven. Eight hundred two two

786
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 2: two eight four seven seven. We remember American Hero Officer

787
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 2: Lisa Meldon Miller County Sheriff's Office, Arkansas, killed in the

788
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: line of duty, leaving behind a husband turned widow, Travis,

789
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:50,240
Speaker 2: and three daughters with no mom. American Hero Officer Lisa Maldon.

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00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off goodbye, trap

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Speaker 7: Yeah