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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature, the show where we look for

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Speaker 1: the animals lurking inside people and the humanity hidden in animals.

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Speaker 1: I'm Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology at Harvard,

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Speaker 1: and I pretend to be a bird on Twitter. Today

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Speaker 1: on the show The Dead Walk the Earth, We'll be

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Speaker 1: talking about some of the strangest circumstances surrounding death, forcing

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Speaker 1: us to rethink the line between the living and the dead.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a look at some truly bizarre funerary rituals

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Speaker 1: in the human and animal world, and at the scientific

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Speaker 1: evidence for real life zombies. Discover this and more as

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Speaker 1: we answer the age old question can you hypnotize a chicken?

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Speaker 1: One of the most difficult aspects of being a living

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Speaker 1: creature is that life inevitably ends. Some lifespans are incredibly short.

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Speaker 1: After molting for their larval stage, female Dolania americana may

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Speaker 1: flies live for only five minutes, just long enough to

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Speaker 1: but humans aren't even close to earning the title for

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Speaker 1: longest lifespan, even among vertebrates. The greenland shark of the

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Speaker 1: Arctic in Atlantic ocean have a lifespan of three hundred

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Speaker 1: to five hundred years. Glass sea sponges, which are actually

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Speaker 1: classified as animals even though they're less genial than the

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Speaker 1: bob variety, can live for over ten thousand years. Impressive,

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Speaker 1: but we're not done yet. Hydras are a genus of

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Speaker 1: tiny aquatic animals that are only a few millimeters long,

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Speaker 1: and they help the misfortune of being shaped like a

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Speaker 1: wiener with tentacles. The saying age before beauty takes on

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Speaker 1: a different meaning for hydras because as far as scientists

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Speaker 1: because of predation or other environmental factors. The cells of

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Speaker 1: hydras are able to infinitely self renew, so theoretically they

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Speaker 1: to make a special sauce out of hydras for humans

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Speaker 1: to drink and become immortal, so unfortunately, we'll have to

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Speaker 1: continue to cope with our temporary existence. It's ironic that

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Speaker 1: the only animal that need not fear death lacks the

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Speaker 1: brain capacity to fear. Litt alone comprehend dying. An understanding

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Speaker 1: of death is considered to be one of the defining

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Speaker 1: aspects that separates mankind from animals. We think we're uniquely

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Speaker 1: burdened with an awareness of our own mortality. But while

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Speaker 1: it's true we may have a superior understanding of death

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Speaker 1: when we compared to our animal cousins, are we actually

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Speaker 1: alone in our ability to grief? Some animal behavior seems

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Speaker 1: to indicate we may not be as isolated in our

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Speaker 1: grief as we thought. With me today to talk all

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Speaker 1: about death is Cody Johnston, host of the show Some

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Speaker 1: More News and the podcast Even More News. So, Cody,

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Speaker 1: you're ready to go onto own to Imagineation station really

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Speaker 1: very much too. Next stop our own our own Brains

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Speaker 1: Imagination Show. So imagine you have a kid child. Alright,

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Speaker 1: that's not the scary part yet, Okay, okay. Um, So

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Speaker 1: you take you take her to a daycare center. Um

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Speaker 1: it's a nice family run business, and you feel pretty

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Speaker 1: safe leaving your child in their tender love and care. Um.

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Speaker 1: So one day, when you arrived to pick up your

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Speaker 1: the corner of your eye, you notice your kid playing

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Speaker 1: little mommy to my sweet Timmy. So you're a bit

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Speaker 1: confused and you ask, oh, it's that the doll's name Timmy,

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Speaker 1: and the owner looks at you quizzically and goes, no,

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Speaker 1: Timmy's my dear departed son, God rest his soul. In horror,

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Speaker 1: you rush over to your daughter only to find that

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Speaker 1: the quote unquote doll is the preserved mummy of a

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Speaker 1: dead baby. Let's doesn't sound safe, very healthy. Well, bad news, Cody,

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Speaker 1: because this is a reality for animals. That's very bad news.

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Speaker 1: So it's what do I call the cops in this scenario?

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Speaker 1: To you? Like, is that illegal? It's not not illegal

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Speaker 1: to do that, you know, I don't know. I'm not

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Speaker 1: golden and golden dead baby lawyers, got a dead baby.

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Speaker 1: We got solutions. So chimps will do this thing where

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Speaker 1: up to sixty eight days. That's a really long time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So if you can imagine at that point the babies

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Speaker 1: And what's interesting is not all chimps are on board

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Speaker 1: you would be wrong. Cody. Yeah, why would I think that? Dumb?

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Speaker 1: play dead, not only to evade poundation, but even for

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00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: nefarious purposes. Uh so, Cody, you ready to take a

424
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 1: stop at imagination station again? I'm more ready than I've

425
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: ever been. Nice. So, imagine waking up in the hospital

426
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: and you can't move. Come on, Katie, no, I really

427
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: want you to be there. Are you there, Cody, get there,

428
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: go there, and good good. You're completely paralyzed, and you

429
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: hear the doctors talking over you, saying things like time

430
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: of death and such a shame at such a young age.

431
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: You want to call out to them that you're still alive,

432
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: but you're frozen. You feel yourself being placed in a

433
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: plastic bag and you're zipped up. Then you find yourself

434
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: on a slab in the morgue. With horror, you watch

435
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: helplessly as a mortician starts up a saw to cut

436
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: open your chest. M hmmm from there? All right, did

437
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: you ever watch A Dead Like Me? The show? So

438
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 1: I didn't watch the whole thing because um I started

439
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: watching it. And so it's about this this young woman

440
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: who becomes a grim Reaper and she dies, she gets

441
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: a new body on earth to be to be a

442
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: grim Reaper person, and she doesn't want to do it

443
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: because she doesn't like killing people. But like she finds

444
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: out that it's not that she's killing people, that she's

445
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: like taking their souls out of there. And there's a

446
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: scene where like she refuses to reap this guy and

447
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: he's like he wakes up in the morgue and like

448
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,239
Speaker 1: it's just from his perspective going like no, no, no,

449
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm alive. I'm alive, and like they're like like certain

450
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: because like in the autopsy they like cut you open

451
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: stuff and it's just like gave me so many nightmares.

452
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: It's the worst thing. Just like I'm so afraid of

453
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: locked in syndrome. I'm afraid of all that. Uh any

454
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: sort of like a paralysis and like being fine, So

455
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: why would you do this to me? Well, because uh,

456
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: this is a real thing. Um, it's called tonic immobility

457
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: and animals, and it's both lifesaver and a nightmarish curse

458
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: as our most most things in the animal kingdom. So

459
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: it's mother nature is a real uh, real sarcastic bit sometimes. Um.

460
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: So it's a hypnotic catatonic state induced by lying on

461
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: the back or being startled. Um. It's found in a

462
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: lot of animals, typically more like reptilian is ish animals.

463
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: So like so you want it's like barred grass snakes,

464
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: Burmeister's leap frog specifically that one gotta call out, um,

465
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: the common swift and sharks. Um. Yeah, sharks is a fish,

466
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: not a reptile. So you can induce catatonian sharks by

467
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: rolling them over on their backs, and scientists do this

468
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: to tag check up on the shark's health. Um, But

469
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: like orca is, do it just to evil or they're

470
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: real assholes, like shamoo is just like he's a huge dick.

471
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: Probably has reasons for that, right, well, Shammou does, but

472
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: the rest of them haven't. But in sharks, um, great

473
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: white sharks need to move to keep water flowing through

474
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: its skills. So there's been stuff where it's like oh no,

475
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: like the thing where sharks have to move to live

476
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: as a myth, or other people saying no, it's true.

477
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: It's a combination. Um, it's if it was on Snopes,

478
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: would be like mixed truth. But then like I wouldn't

479
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: want to read it because it's like you got to

480
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: read that after the false conclusion. I just want yeah,

481
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: nuances dumb, it's nerds. Um so, uh, great white sharks

482
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: need to move because they are obligate ram ventilators. Sounds

483
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: really cool, good collection of syllables. Yeah it is. It's

484
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: it sounds so fancy. So like makos and great white

485
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: sharks are like that. Um, but not all sharks. So

486
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: if these little sharks, little great white sharks stay in

487
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: tonic for two cute cute little boo pupple noses, so

488
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: they can actually die because like they they can't move,

489
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: they're paralyzed. So it's not a great thing for the shark. Um.

490
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: But uh it's uh so they're just like lying they

491
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 1: were like where these jerk orchids are probably laughing at them.

492
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:33,719
Speaker 1: They're like, can't move. My one weakness I asked you

493
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: specifically to not do this to me, Like my one

494
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: thing is like not to be flipped over, Like I

495
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: can't work when you flip me over. I'm like a room,

496
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: but I don't care. Yeah, or don't give a fuck.

497
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: Did you know you could hypnotize chickens? No, it's cool

498
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: you can so, um you hoole it's head down on

499
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: the ground. That doesn't sound like hypnotizing that. It's just like, well,

500
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: all right, I mean it's a little dirt. You shove

501
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: it in the dirt, and you call it a nerd

502
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, hypnotize, hypnotize, yeah, see, hypnotize it. Um.

503
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: And then you draw a line. I mean it's gently

504
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: yet firmly keep its head on the crew and then

505
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: draw a line from its beak outward, like with a

506
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: piece of chalk, or like if it's in the dirt,

507
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: you can draw it with like a stick or your finger,

508
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: but like there has to be like a physical line

509
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: from its beak, not on its beak, but like from

510
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: its beak outward. And then like you do it kind

511
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: of quickly, and then the chicken just stares at the line,

512
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: and you can let go of the chicken and it

513
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: remains there staring at the line. I don't like that.

514
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: So easy to hack animals brains it is. It's weirdly easy. Um.

515
00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: So that's the tonic immobility. And then there's um a

516
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: a different type of this called thanatosis, which is specifically

517
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: feigning death for the purpose of um boarding off predators

518
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: that have got you. So it's unclear whether tonic immobility

519
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: is always advantageous if it's always because like the idea

520
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: of the chicken hypnotism is that they feel threatened by

521
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: this ominous line on the ground, like it's like it's

522
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: like snake related or like who knows, like maybe they

523
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: see it into them. It's something coming at them, like

524
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: they can't like it looks like motion coming at them,

525
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: like this line the perspective of it, because they're little

526
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: dumb chicken brains can't figure it out. Um. I don't

527
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: know why it would be useful for sharks. It seems

528
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: just like a little bit of an oversight. Yeah, that

529
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: seems like a pain in the ask, Like we should

530
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: try to evolve past this, especially for the sharks that

531
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: need to move to right, like it's one thing that

532
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: they need. Yeah, it's a pretty big bug there, guy,

533
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: because even like yeah, most you know, animals, like all right,

534
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: you're paralyzed a bit on your back, but like you

535
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: can still breathe over time, you'll be fine if you

536
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: literally need to keep moving. Very cruel, dumb sharks, Yeah,

537
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: stop being sharks. Um, But like, uh so, you know,

538
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: playing possum is a real strategy, and it's useful for

539
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: like like the predators like whoa, you've been dead awhile, yeah,

540
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: humans do it, like we all have yeah reaction to

541
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: There's this idea that fainting at the side of blood

542
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: could be like a strategy in combat where it's like, whoops,

543
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: I'm dead, now leave me alone. Now realized that everyone

544
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: around me is getting blood into death. So I also yeah, like,

545
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: oh I'm dead, right, please don't move along, move along

546
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: nothing fight done. I did beat me right. And it's

547
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: interesting because like I think men suffer from the it's

548
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: called the vase of vagal response um as much if

549
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: not more than women, So it kind of makes sense

550
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: from that. But you know, it's with anything in evolutionary biology,

551
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: it's hard to say whether that's really the case. It's

552
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: just a theory. Um. So, like possums don't just roll

553
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: over on their backs, they actually like emit a foul

554
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,479
Speaker 1: odor from their anal gland and a nice, nice butt

555
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: juice that smells like death. Yeah, the parasympathetic nervous system

556
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: does control things like butt juice and which it controls

557
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: like your heart rate and an other sort of like

558
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: non conscious aspect of your body's functioning. So it's like, uh,

559
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: it makes the heart rate drop by half and respiration

560
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: by a third, and body temperature drops by half a

561
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: degree celsius, which is a lot significant. So it's like

562
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: they're not just like whoops, like rolling over like a

563
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: dog playing. It's like their bodies are like you're pretending

564
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: to be dead, right, if we're all on we're all

565
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: on board. Yeah, my dad found, like he found a

566
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: possum in our backyard and we were pretty sure it

567
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: was dead, Like we knew about the possum playing dead,

568
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: but it was like it smelled bad. It was like

569
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: rigor mortis were like, no, this is certainly a dead possum.

570
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: Like it it's we know they play possum, but like

571
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: so he like took a shovel and like dropped it

572
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: in the canyon because we have a lot of coyotes

573
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: and stuff and they take care of all stuff. But

574
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: then like as soon as he dropped it like rolled

575
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: back on his feet and just like strolled away, and

576
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: I was just like what, Yeah, I didn't really that's

577
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: so cool. Yeah that like, yeah, they're literally like our

578
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: bodies are playing dead, right, yeah. Yeah, it's not just

579
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: like coyotes are so dumb that they're like, oh, it's

580
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: on its back, it's not moving, all the systems are yeah,

581
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 1: like it smells dead, um and then uh, the hog

582
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 1: nosed snake plays dead by rolling over, letting its tongue

583
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: hang out, and again a foul older is released from

584
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: its anus um. And I tried to find out if like,

585
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: because you know, sometimes people like you know, they do

586
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: a duty in their pants and they're scared. I couldn't

587
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: find anything that would suggest that would that's like intentional,

588
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: but it could be. Yeah. Yeah. It's also like that

589
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: sort of goes hand in hand with like sort of

590
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: freezing and like I'm so terrified I can't move and

591
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: like I just shipped myself right. Like the actual scientific

592
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: reason is that I think that like you're all of

593
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: your resources are getting diverted to other things like fight

594
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: or flight poops. That is that's a that's like in

595
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: the Journal of poop. A spooks make poops? Chapter four,

596
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: Chapter four, What spooks make what poops? Which kind? Yeah,

597
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: but it is interesting that maybe, I mean it could

598
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: be just like an effect that happened, like maybe with

599
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: these animals. At first it was just like relieving themselves

600
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: because all of their bodies stuff was going to something else.

601
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: But then it kind of evolved into this more sophisticated

602
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: type of anal secretion, right, because like, yeah, humans have

603
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: the next step, the next step in our evolution because

604
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't need to do that. We have

605
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: a society and so we're not all like playing ted

606
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: and shipping ourselves to protect each other. Might have to,

607
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: we might have to. We'll see, we'll see how things

608
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: go like that. Yeah, but like, yeah, if possum like

609
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: over many many many many many many many millions of years,

610
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: like that's a thing that they developed that did the

611
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: anal secretion. Yeah, it's proven to be effective art right, Right, So, Cody,

612
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: can I take you to the visualization Nation? Yes? I

613
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: love I love living there, living there in imagination Town,

614
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 1: soaking it all up. Ye, living living that so dead life, Cody,

615
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: you watch a lot of zombie movies. I'm familiar with

616
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: zombie movies you have heard of. I've seen several zombie films.

617
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: I am familiar with the concept that it's dead people

618
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: who roam the earth and cause all sorts of mischief. Yes,

619
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: so you've seen like The Walking Dead or h So

620
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: there's this idea I have that I can't stop thinking about.

621
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 1: Where what if like in twenty eight days later in

622
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: The Walking Dead, which when you think about it, don't

623
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: really make a whole lot of sense that you would

624
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: just have this like zombie virus take over the world. Yeah,

625
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: it requires a lot of magical thinking and right, Um,

626
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: so like like, how do zombies keep walking after their

627
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: muscles and tendons rot away? Like they're not producing a

628
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: t P? Cody, how can they be producing a t

629
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: P if their sells are dead? Um? How do they

630
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: digest human brains if they don't have guts? And why

631
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: aren't they eating each other? Cody? Again, I didn't make

632
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: the rules or something. So I feel like, what if

633
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: we're mistaken about what's going on in these movies and

634
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: TV shows? Instead of this unrealistic, unfathomable zombie virus that

635
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: somehow wipes out all of humanity, it's a virus that

636
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: only afflicts a few people, infects their brains and causes

637
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: them to become delusional. And so the quote unquote survivors

638
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: are actually the only infected people, and they're hallucinating that

639
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: the world is full of decaying monsters because like you

640
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: can't have like a decaying thing walking around, but you can't,

641
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: like there is observable viruses that can infect you and

642
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: makes you become delusional or crazy, like rabies in Ti

643
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: Gandhi I that can have an effect on the brain.

644
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: So I'm like really into this idea. Yeah yeah, So

645
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: like but then think of like shows like The Walking

646
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: Dead and look at it like in that way, like

647
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: the that that's why all those swat teams, you know

648
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: how like in especially like video games like Left for Dead,

649
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: you have all these swat teams and policemen or people

650
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: in has matched suits like coming at you, but they're

651
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: all zombified. How does someone in a hazmat suit become

652
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: a zombie? They wouldn't. It's because they're trying to protect

653
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 1: themselves and they're approaching You're trying to quarantine the sars,

654
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: and that's why they're police and swat teams. Like in

655
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: full swat because they would be able to shoot the

656
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: zombies if they really zombies and you were in a

657
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: swat team, right, you would be fine, She'd be fine. Yeah.

658
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: Uh so that's why you and your flannel and torn

659
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: jeans are okay quote unquote Okay, where's a swat team

660
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: is not? Okay? Yeah? Wait, it's not because I'm a hero,

661
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: big cowboy hero. You're you're you're a cowboy hero. Thank you,

662
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: thank you, you get you get one free one. Um. So,

663
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: like the survivors are just killing innocent regular people who

664
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: are trying to go about their daily business. Yeah, like

665
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: like taking over prisons and like killing all the prisoners

666
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: and then yeah, and that's why, like why when you

667
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 1: they break into a car, all these zombies come running

668
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: towards them. It's not that they're like angry at car alarms.

669
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: It's because they're like, hey, don't steal that car, right,

670
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: they're being good citizens. I'm I'm on a live police officer.

671
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: Hey you stop that. Ye put your hands up. So

672
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: I remember. Um, I didn't actually watch a lot of

673
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: The Walking Dead. I was pretty upset by some of

674
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: the mature themes. Well it's not very good, but like

675
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: So there's this thing where Rick Grimes is in like

676
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,479
Speaker 1: he's a crime. He's in a parking lot and there's

677
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: this little girl in like her pajamas and remember that,

678
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: and it is supposed to be this scene. I was like, Oh,

679
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: this show is so edgy. It goes places that other

680
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: shows don't. And she's like roaming around and she drops

681
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: her teddy bear and she picks it back up and

682
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: then he's like, hey, little girl, you're you okay? And

683
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: she turns towards him and like half her face is

684
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: missing and it's super growdy and he's like oh and

685
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: and he's he had like called out to her. So

686
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: she's like wandering towards him, but she's just kind of

687
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: like shambling towards him, like shuffling, and then he shoots

688
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: her in the face. Right like so like if this

689
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: is like just a virus that affects Rick Grimes and

690
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: he's delusional and he sees this thing that is impossible.

691
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: You can't a corpse can't walk around, it's just biologically impossible.

692
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: Then he he's like rabid and like those friendly little

693
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: girls like I just picked up my teddy bear, you know, right,

694
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 1: Because like in the in the reality of the show

695
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: as they present it, Like a zombie is wandering around

696
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: with teddy Bear drops it slowly shuffles. Why would a

697
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: zombie pick up a teddy bear? Like, why would a

698
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: zombie be like or drop mon teddy Bear. You know

699
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: it's not going to do that. It's gonna like, you know,

700
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: ignore that, you don't, I mean, don't some zombie films,

701
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: uh say that, like, oh, well, like a piece of

702
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: a piece of the person is still left, which doesn't

703
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: make sense in terms of bulls actual bullshit, because that's

704
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: not what would happen to deteriorating. Well, you can't listen, guys.

705
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: A t P is dina triphosphate and it's the building

706
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: box of life and if your cells are dead, it

707
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: can't process that and you cannot create energy. It sounds

708
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: like you should write a letter to the show. Can

709
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: you actually an episode? All of them? Well? Actually, thank

710
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: your biology. It's true though, well also your idea is

711
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: way better. Thank you. Thank you. I like I like

712
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: that you said that to me, You get one. If

713
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: I like, I would watch I would start watching the

714
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: show Againe with revealed and then we like, yeah, that

715
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't that be like, I'm you know, twists are out

716
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: their passing. Now you can't do twists, um, but I

717
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: think that would be legitimately yeah, yeah I can do it. Well.

718
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: I also like, I'm really like, I think twists obviously, yeah,

719
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: they're like they're old and tired. But if it's if

720
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: you like dedicate like eight seasons and then you fundamentally

721
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: change your show you get going, you would make Will

722
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: so mad it would be great. Yeah, I don't know,

723
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: like and and then the show is really interesting and good.

724
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: Yeah that's it. That's how Lost should have ended. That

725
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: they were all that they were there. But yeah, I

726
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: mean I feel like that would be really interesting. Just

727
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: like you think you have like this scientifical scientifical scientific

728
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: impossibility or improbability replaced by something that we actually have.

729
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: You know, there's no there's no specific virus that makes

730
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: you see dead people. But rabies can make you hydrophobics,

731
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: so you don't want to drink water because it's bad

732
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: for the virus to come into contact with water. So

733
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: it makes you afraid of water. It makes you avoid water,

734
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: which could help you, and it makes you aggressive and

735
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: kind of like turn on people, and it can make

736
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: people like become delusional and and sort of psychotic, which

737
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: is really scary. It's a really terrifying idea that the

738
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: virus can just hijack your brain, yeah, and like control

739
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: your fears, yeah, and make you actively reject a life

740
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 1: saving thing like water because it's not good for the virus.

741
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: It's crazy, right, So yeah, they're like if contact with

742
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: humans who don't have the virus is bad for the

743
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: virus or something like that, and then like, yeah, you're

744
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 1: going to fear anyone who's not in your delusion with you,

745
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, Like like somehow the virus doesn't want

746
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 1: to be you know, it wants to go and reproduce it.

747
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: It doesn't want to be trapped by, you know, the

748
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: swat team, which is maybe why rabies makes you aggressive,

749
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: because it allows the virus to be transmitted through biting

750
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: and through saliva. So it's it's kind of like you've

751
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: become aggressive of because you've basically become a slave to

752
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: the rabies which is making you and it wants to

753
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: multiply and spread on its own terms, right, And so

754
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: like the zombree be the technical term, the scientifical term zombbies,

755
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: like it could make you become aggressive by making you

756
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: see other people it's like scary monsters, right and then yeah,

757
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: and then uh, you know whether it's like okay, well,

758
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: then you're going to gravitate towards people who are infected.

759
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: And then if there's some sort of like way that

760
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: it multiplies by just like being around other infected people

761
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: and create like a community. Right, You're you're drawn to

762
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: other people like how t gandhi I which, Uh, it's

763
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: a virus that infects rat brains and makes them unafraid

764
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: or attracted to cats that like it completes its life

765
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: cycle with other cats. So like your your zombre abies

766
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: patent painting, Uh, we'll make you drawn to other people

767
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: with the virus like yeah, together petri dish of Yeah,

768
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: to protect to each other. I like it. Yeah, movie

769
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:19,479
Speaker 1: exects d m me. So imagine that this virus is real,

770
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: but instead of hallucinating that other people are zombies, you're

771
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: hallucinating that you yourself are a zombie. I don't want

772
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 1: to do that bad news, Cody, because it's a real thing.

773
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:39,399
Speaker 1: I know you gonna be so excited for this idea. Um. So,

774
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: there is a psychological illness called cotard delusion, in which

775
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: sufferers believe they are dead, have lost their soul, are

776
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: missing internal organs, blood or other body parts, or this

777
00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: is the weirdest one, that they just don't exist at all. Yeah,

778
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: like they never existed, like they're they that they just

779
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, it's not a logical thing. It's like they

780
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: don't exist. They don't recognize their own existence. So like,

781
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what that feeling is like, Right,

782
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 1: if you're having those thoughts, then you exist. Yeah, it's

783
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: like this is covered by Decarte. You guys, we already

784
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 1: we did this a long time. Um. It's called a

785
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: nihilistic delusion, which comes with this feeling of self negation.

786
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: So the common theme with all the iterations of the

787
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: delusion is that you're dead, you don't exist, You're you're gone,

788
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: there's part of you missing auh. And it's co morbid,

789
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: meaning it occurs with severe depression or psychosis often, So

790
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: it's it's a I mean, it's so it's so hard

791
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: to wrap my head around like what it would feel

792
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: like to be like, no, I'm I'm dead. Yeah? Is

793
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: it like does it just sort of happen? Is it

794
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: like a slow sort of deterioration and you sort of

795
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: like start to notice things or just like suddenly it's

796
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: like I'm dead. Well, I think it's not. It's not

797
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 1: quite like super sudden, because I think you would have

798
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: depression or psychosis preceding it. Um. But it isn't like

799
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: you think you're slowly becoming dead. It's like you you

800
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: do kind of have this onset of like no, i'm

801
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm dead, or like a sort of realization like oh,

802
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: that's why I've been dead this whole time, right, And yeah,

803
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: that's because then you'd still be interacting with people, like

804
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: you'd still be able to talk right people. Yeah. And

805
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: it's really interesting because like it doesn't matter if family

806
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: members are trying to convince you that no, no, you're alive,

807
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: like they'll argue with right. Well. I mean I imagine

808
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 1: that's also part of it. The I know that like people,

809
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: you know, if you're really entrenched in this idea and

810
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: someone's like arguing against you, like no, no no, no, this,

811
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: and they use that as proof they're actually correct. I

812
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: guess one way to think of how it would feel is,

813
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: you know, deja vu um. It's that feeling that like

814
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: it's not just that, Oh, I think maybe this has

815
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,479
Speaker 1: happened before. It's this very specific feeling that everything that's

816
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:30,320
Speaker 1: currently happening in all its specificity has happened before in

817
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: exactly that same way, which is very unlikely. Um. So

818
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: the idea is that it may be sort of this

819
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: misfiring in your brain where you're sort of like recording

820
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: a memory but also playing it at the same time,

821
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: so you have this sense that all of these specific

822
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: things are lining up, but they've happened before, even though

823
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: you can't point to a certain memory, and even understanding

824
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: that that is probably like a brain goof up. When

825
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: I experienced it, I'm like, new, don't know this, this

826
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 1: is this time, it's real, like right, there's no arguing

827
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: with yeah, right when you actually feel it, your brain

828
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: is telling you otherwise exactly where it's like, you know,

829
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: I'm eating an apple and a bird flies by and like,

830
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, my left arm kind of hurts. I'm like, no,

831
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: this exact thing has happened before, which it probably hasn't,

832
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: probably not because you would probably remember it, remember saying

833
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: like whenever it's having to me, have been like but

834
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: I don't remember it, right right, feel like right, I

835
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: remember it, right, right, right? And so I think it's like,

836
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: even if they're being given all this evidence that no,

837
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: you're not dead, their brain is so strongly telling them

838
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 1: that they don't exist, that they are dead, that there's

839
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: some of this like missing part of them, they can't

840
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: help but feel that, right, right, Yeah, I mean yeah,

841
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 1: I just don't know how that would feel, because then, yeah,

842
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: you're just like, well, no, I'm dead. I can't I'm not.

843
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: I'm listening to you and I hear what you're saying,

844
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 1: but it doesn't change how I feel right now, right,

845
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's kind of an interesting different version of

846
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: what we're talking about earlier, where like if someone else dies,

847
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: you can hold these two uh conflicting ideas at once.

848
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: One is that they're gone, they're dead, they're no longer here.

849
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: The other is I want to take care of and

850
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: protect them, even though their body doesn't really contain them.

851
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: You know, you want to, you don't quite accept it,

852
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 1: but you still have these feelings and these instincts to

853
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: take care even though you know it's uh not doing

854
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: anything for them, right. And then yeah, I have this

855
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: this feeling that I'm dead, even though intellectually I hear

856
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,760
Speaker 1: what you're saying, Yeah, that makes all logical sense, but

857
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: right you feel it's so strongly that like you hold,

858
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: like rationality just kind of slips away from you. So

859
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: I can imagine that if you have Cotard delusion, like

860
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: you may have some kind of sense of like, well,

861
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: now I wouldn't be dead and and still breathing and stuff,

862
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: but then that kind of like slips away from you,

863
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: and I think and like in some of these case studies,

864
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: people will go to weird lengths to kind of justify it.

865
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: Like one woman said that she could smell herself to Kaying,

866
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,400
Speaker 1: so she had the understanding that if she was really

867
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: dead there would be visible signs. But instead of that, um,

868
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, kind of destroying the delusion, she just invented things,

869
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: not not intentionally. This is not she's not trying to

870
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: justify it, but she's her hallucinations are adapting to her

871
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: reasoning ability. So so she's having this oldfactory hallucination that

872
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: she smells like she's rotting because maybe part of her

873
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: brain is sort of saying like, oh, no, would you

874
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: really be you, you'd be smelling bad, which I can

875
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: totally kind of understand because I remember in high school

876
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: there's this traumatic thing where we were dissecting fetal pigs

877
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 1: and it was pretty upsetting because cute animal but also

878
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: cute smart animals, little little mud puppies. Um. But like

879
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: the smell of formaldehyde was so strong and Fromalehide's not

880
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: a good chemical for you, so like it makes sense

881
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: that you're kind of repulsed by it because it's not

882
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: not great. But I could smell it like for days afterwards.

883
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: Like I would smell a piece of clothing and think

884
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: I smelled it on that piece of clothing, and like,

885
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, my my mom would be like, no, this

886
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: doesn't you're you know, but like I had some kind

887
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: of such a strong association with this like really kind

888
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: of like traumatizing feutal pig dissection, that like that smell

889
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: became attached to that shirt. And then I had this

890
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: like sort of like mild like olfactory hallucination where I

891
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: thought this shirt was permanently smelled of formaldehyde even though

892
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: it didn't write. Because it's so linked to memory, Like

893
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: you if that sounds like a very strong memory for

894
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: you that was that has still stuck with you. Um,

895
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: And yeah, if you're have that sort of traumatic experience

896
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: then your brains to dip back into it. Even like

897
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: when you're thinking about it, you smell it because you

898
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: are replaying that memory and it sort of creates that

899
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: again for you. Yeah, like you can you can kind

900
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: of call upon your brain to create an odor even

901
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: if you're not exactly smelling it. Like if you think

902
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: about that smell of freshly baked cookies, you can kind

903
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: of get this sort of phantom smell, if that makes sense.

904
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: Like you're you're not literally, you know, inhaling and smelling it,

905
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: but you're remembering what it smells like and then sort

906
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: of creating the sense to a certain point. Right. And

907
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: it's the same thing with like you can hear someone's voice,

908
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: you can see someone, you know, So with hallucinations, it's

909
00:57:54,840 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: just that but create like created, and it's entirety like

910
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: you you're actually smelling it. Yeah, Well, like during brain surgery,

911
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: often the patient will be conscious an ethnetized, you know,

912
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: but conscious, um, so that they can let the brain

913
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: surgeon know everything's okay, that you know, they haven't suddenly

914
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: gone blind or something. Um. But but like when they're

915
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: when they're kind of poking around in the brain, the

916
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: patient can experience things like smells or like flashes of

917
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: color because like you're you're sort of stimulating these the

918
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: parts of the brain, and it's just so interesting that

919
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: you can you can create a smell out of just

920
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: like digital manipulation of brain tissue, so I can. It's

921
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: just like it's almost like you have this like mad

922
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 1: scientist brain surgeon inside your head controlling what you think

923
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: to the point where you're like, oh man, I'm I'm

924
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 1: a dead person and I can literally smell my body

925
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: to king and that just sounds awful. It's real bad. Well,

926
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: I mean it's going to be like that's the future

927
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: of you know, like VR and stuff. You hook up

928
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: to a thing and then pretend to be a dead person,

929
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 1: like that really fun game that we all want to play.

930
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, like you know, you go to the this

931
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: game takes place at the beach, and so it creates

932
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: the sensation in your brain. They're smelling the ocean and

933
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: you feel a breeze and you do smell it and

934
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: you feel the breeze because it's smelling that like kelp stink.

935
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: It's really nice. Yeah, yeah, that that kelp Stink that

936
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: we all want to play. A video game. Yeah exactly.

937
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just think it's so crazy that you

938
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: would be in a situation where you can't escape your

939
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,240
Speaker 1: brain's own delusion to the point where you have some

940
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: really like maladaptive behaviors, like you're this one guy picks

941
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: my heart. He uh showed up to a graveyard because

942
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: he was like, oh, you know, I feel like more

943
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: comfortable around here because you know, these are also dead people,

944
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, buddy, all right, your brain

945
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: is making me. Yeah, And it's not like other delusions

946
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: where it's like I'm I'm Napoleon, where it seems, you know,

947
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: like not constantly horrifying. Yeah, just because that just sounds

948
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: like dread all the time and despair all the time. Yeah, yeah,

949
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: like like if you've ever died in a dream or like,

950
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: you know, just it's so it's spooky. Yeah, it's like

951
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: that prank. Have you seen this where it's like this

952
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: I think I was going to bring this up. Yeah,

953
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: So it's the prank where you pull it on your

954
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: younger brother or something where you pretend they're invisible, but

955
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: you go to the like the one I saw they

956
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: had taken a photo take a photo beforehand beforehand. So

957
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:57,479
Speaker 1: so you set it up so like say your little

958
01:00:57,480 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: brother is sitting on the bed and then you have

959
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: your spirit or other douchebag sister sitting next to him,

960
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: and you pretend to take a picture, but beforehand you

961
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: had taken a picture of just the sister sitting on

962
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: the bed with her arm like the same right, And

963
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: then so like you you show the picture to the

964
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: little ten year old and although you should be she's

965
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: pretty pretty pretty onto it. Yeah, But the ones I've

966
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: seen have been like the entire family isn't on it.

967
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,919
Speaker 1: Oh that's so mean. Yeah, and they're like they're all

968
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: playing along and they all freak out and like the

969
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: kid like touches the mother and like she's like, oh

970
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: I just felt something. Like they take it to the extreme.

971
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: It is sociopathic. That's very upsetic. Can you imagine like

972
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: just that, because that's like inducing Cotard delusion and like

973
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: you don't exist and the kids get like, I'm so upset.

974
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: I saw one the one I saw, the kids starts crying.

975
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: Everyone i've seen the kid starts crying because it's like

976
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: it's their whole family, like their mom and their dad

977
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: is in on it and they're all like, they're all

978
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: like so upset that they're invisible. It's I hate them.

979
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: What happened to pranks Like where you like put shaving

980
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: cream on someone's hand and their nose itches or something,

981
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,919
Speaker 1: you know, Or like you put like a rubber band

982
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 1: around like the sprayer at the sink so you turn

983
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 1: the you know, like you pull the hose out and

984
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: you can like spray your dishes or whatever. So you

985
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: put a rubber band around it. So when they turn

986
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: the water on, they expected to come out of the faucet,

987
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 1: but because the rubber band is holding down the thing,

988
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: that's raised them a little bit. It's not like a

989
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 1: nice prank. They get a little wet, but it's better

990
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: than like psychologically starring your child with your entire family. Yeah.

991
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: I'd rather get a little wet than have my existence

992
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: negated by my closest family. Yeah, it's like, don't do that.

993
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: Come on, there's gotta be other fun thing you can do. Yeah. Well,

994
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: you know when the good old days when pranks were

995
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: like you go to like a neighborhood and you like

996
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: shove someone down and they get mad, and you're like

997
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: it's just a prank. Bro Oh, Yeah, that good old days.

998
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah reminds me where I certainly was the one doing

999
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,439
Speaker 1: the pushing and not not the one being pushed. Yeah,

1000
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: it sounds like you were good prankster. I was real

1001
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 1: good and popular. Have you ever played The Last of Us?

1002
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: It's a zombie survival horror video game, and it's one

1003
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: of my personal favorites because of a key detail in

1004
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: the game. The zombification process occurs not through a virus,

1005
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: but due to a parasitic fungus that infects the brain

1006
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: of the host, causing aggression and behaviors that allow the

1007
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: fungus to thrive and create spores to spread. This is

1008
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: one of the more realistic conjectures about how a zombie

1009
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: apocalypse might occur, and it is no small part due

1010
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: to where the game creators drew there in spurretion from

1011
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: a real parasitic fungus called Ophio corteseps, which is a

1012
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: scourge of ants who live in the forests of Thailand.

1013
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: In Brazil, a foraging ant may encounter one of the

1014
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: many spores of the fungus. Once the spore has made

1015
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: its way inside the ant's body, it gets to work

1016
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: breaking down the little guy's exoskeleton, causing convulsions that drop

1017
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: the ant from its tree to the forest floor. The

1018
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: crazed infected ant is then driven by the fungus to

1019
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: climb up a plant and grasp a leaf with its mannibles.

1020
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: In the literal death grips, the ant parishes as the

1021
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: fungus grows all the back of its head into a

1022
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 1: long stop with the fruiting body at the end that

1023
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 1: will eventually release more spores. Ophio corteseps is no joke,

1024
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: has been responsible for the destruction of entire ant colonies.

1025
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: That's what makes The Last of Us extra creepy. In fact,

1026
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: the game developers name their zombie fungus corteseps after the

1027
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: ant infecting variety. So the next time you stop at

1028
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: the idea of a zombie apocalypse, those tiny little picnic

1029
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: crashes have been dealing with it for millennia. We'll be

1030
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 1: right back. Guys. Death sucks. It's truly the worst. So

1031
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: it's no wonder we all fantasize about immortality. Yeah, I know,

1032
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: there's like lots of cautionary tales about being careful what

1033
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: you wish for, how living forever would be lonely and boring,

1034
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: But come it sounds like sour grates. Obviously, it would

1035
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: suck to be the only immortal person. But what if

1036
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: humanity didn't have to die? You may say, like, oh,

1037
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: we'd run out of space. I'm sorry, but like, once

1038
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: we have the technology to become immortal, don't you think

1039
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: we'd master pocket dimensions or at least colonize a few

1040
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: new planets. Not having to cope with death would be awesome.

1041
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to be whimsically wise about how

1042
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: death is all part of life. It's not. It's the

1043
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:56,560
Speaker 1: ending of life. It's like the literal opposite of being alive.

1044
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: With that said, I do want to talk about forms

1045
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 1: of immortality that would actually be terrifying. Sure death is

1046
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: really bad and it'd be great to avoid it, but

1047
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: there are certainly fates worse than death and creepier. Still,

1048
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 1: this is not mere hypothetical conjecture at this point. As

1049
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: Cody and I will reveal, there are some real current

1050
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: scientific advancements that post some truly unnerving philosophical and psychological questions. So, Cody,

1051
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: if you die, would you want to freeze yourself like

1052
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: they say that Walt Disney did? Um Probably not, I

1053
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,479
Speaker 1: would say It actually kind of might depend on where

1054
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: we're at a in the world and like how how

1055
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: we're all doing um as a species, but also where

1056
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: technology has has gotten right. To be clear, I'm not

1057
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: sure there's any evidence to suggest that Walt Disney froze's head. However,

1058
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: there's no evidence to suggest he did not freeze his head.

1059
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: That's why I believe it is a fact. Yes, yes,

1060
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: it seems like something he'd do. Yeah, he's had his

1061
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: Frisden in the Disney vault with all the DVDs. I

1062
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: feel like Elon Musk is going to do that for sure.

1063
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think at first I was going to say,

1064
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 1: maybe Steve Jobs, but he was really like, you know,

1065
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: I'm only going to eat fruit kind of guy, So

1066
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, pretty spiritual despite his actions, and like wow,

1067
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 1: he like his company, but he was like, you know,

1068
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: he did a lot of acid stuff and was pretty

1069
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: like we're all connected in a way, but like, I'm

1070
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: not gonna some were connected to like maybe it has

1071
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 1: to do with how much money they have and like

1072
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: but but like cool man, I like the idea that

1073
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: like say this works, like you can freeze yourself, like

1074
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: future generations are just going to think that past generations

1075
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,439
Speaker 1: are full of douchebags, because it's only going to be

1076
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: rich douche and they're all going to be like demanding

1077
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 1: pants and like you know, give me a robot body

1078
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: and like not like they won't just be happy with

1079
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:13,320
Speaker 1: like being waken up. They'll demand things. But it's not

1080
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: it's not it's not like a Philip situation. There is

1081
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 1: amazing like oh, you're you you think that, yeah, you're

1082
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 1: on the level right right, Like that Twilight Zone where

1083
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: they like freeze themselves and then the they it's a

1084
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: bunch of crooks that steal gold bars and they're like, well,

1085
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: how do we escape the heat. It's like, well, we'll

1086
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: freeze ourselves. And then in the future they'll forget to

1087
01:08:34,280 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: stop to chase us. They won't know who we are,

1088
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: and it all kind of works, you know, there's some

1089
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: murder involved, and then like they they're like killing each

1090
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: other over this gold and stuff, and then it turns

1091
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: out future people don't need gold, don't need it. It's

1092
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: just common commonness. Clay's a pretty rare element. Well, in

1093
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,759
Speaker 1: the future times, it won't be for reasons for reasons,

1094
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: well maybe yeah, maybe they've met like fusion and fish

1095
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: like creating gold. Even if you could, the energy required

1096
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: to make the gold would be more of them. The

1097
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: gold is all right, all right. But by then, also

1098
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: you assume that they have harnessed solar power pretty effectively. Yeah,

1099
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 1: things have been draining that sun. Yeah, that sun juice,

1100
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: like sun juice from but juice to sun juice. Also,

1101
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: if I feel like instead of freezing, at some point,

1102
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,879
Speaker 1: it'll be closer, Like I know one of the companies

1103
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: that Elon Musk is heavily invested in, and I think

1104
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: it's his company. But like with like neural networks and

1105
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 1: like and being able to sort of link your brain

1106
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 1: two machines in manipulating machines, so like you just use

1107
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: your brain waves to affect. But I feel like it's

1108
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 1: leading towards like, oh, I just want to put my

1109
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: my brain that's dying into a robot and that comes

1110
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: on as opposed to I want to freeze my self

1111
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: and hope that right, we can fix it later. Yeah, Yeah,

1112
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I mean it's effectively just freezing your brain,

1113
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: but in a different way. Yeah, we just don't understand

1114
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 1: quite what consciousness is. I do think it's funny because

1115
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 1: like these rich people that are freezing themselves, like the

1116
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: budget way is to freeze your head. I mean you

1117
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: still have to be really rich and a little bit delusional,

1118
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: but like you know, it's just like, man, I'm not

1119
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: going to pay for my whole body. They'll figure it out.

1120
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: But I mean, like, I don't know, like waking up

1121
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 1: after being frozen for so long, it doesn't seem like

1122
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 1: a good time. I know, like the Futurama funness of

1123
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 1: like you wake up, you have a fun, fun friends

1124
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: and a crabman and you only go on adventures. Yeah. Um,

1125
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 1: but I feel like, I mean, so you know that

1126
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: would be like Encino Man, we're brandan freezing so yeah, yeah,

1127
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: where he wakes up and he's like a sexy idiot caveman.

1128
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,640
Speaker 1: That's not like us now freezing ourselves. That's like a

1129
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: caveman accidentally frozen, right right, mas Yeah, and he like

1130
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 1: I forgot how that movie I watched a long time ago.

1131
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: But like they're like, we're going to civilize you, and

1132
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 1: they dress them up as like a nineties teen and

1133
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: like take him to malls and like all the girls

1134
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: think he's hot and he has these like very neat

1135
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: and nice dreadlocks. So like, um, but like, uh, I

1136
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: mean like I feel like that would be the best

1137
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: case scenario. As you wake up, everyone's way smarter than

1138
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: you and they view you as like this oddity, but

1139
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: hopefully you'll be like found by some rascally teenagers. So

1140
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: would frogs actually do this? Pretty well, they go through

1141
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:50,120
Speaker 1: a process of freezing themselves completely, like their rock solid frozen.

1142
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: They're not just like oh I'm cold. You could smash

1143
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 1: them with a hammer and they would shout out to

1144
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: a million frog pieces, like even inside like they're insides

1145
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: or well, it's a little more complicated, but I mean, yes,

1146
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: they're insides are frozen, but on the cellular level, uh,

1147
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:11,679
Speaker 1: they're kept hydrated, so their cells are not completely frozen.

1148
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 1: Everything else is, but it's like, um, it's frozen, but

1149
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 1: there's like sort of like this uh anti freeze kind

1150
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 1: of thing in their cells that keeps them from because

1151
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: the one of the problems with freezing is that the

1152
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:32,440
Speaker 1: little ice crystals burst cells and destroys the cells um

1153
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: or like they become desiccated. Yeah, so um, what they

1154
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: do is as winter comes on and the frogs are like, well,

1155
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: I can't go on and where I'm a frog. Um,

1156
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: so they like, so they start to freeze and then

1157
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: rethought like over and over again until the glucose levels

1158
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: in their cells rise to an abnormal degree. Um. So

1159
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: then when they do go into the real freeze, Uh,

1160
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: they can remain frozen for months at temperatures as low

1161
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: as zero degrees fahrenheit, which is pretty cold. Um. And

1162
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 1: the high levels of glucose that they had started building

1163
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:16,280
Speaker 1: up from the thawing refreezing thawing refusing process protects their cells. Uh.

1164
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,759
Speaker 1: It keeps the water inside the cells, and it keeps

1165
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: the cells from bursting, and so they are sort of

1166
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: alive and instance spended animation. And it's funny because like

1167
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 1: I saw a video of one of these frogs, like

1168
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: someone pushed it. I hope it wasn't the documentary makers

1169
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 1: because that'd be mean, but hopefully another animal just pushed

1170
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: it and then like tumbled down. It's just like frozen solid.

1171
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,719
Speaker 1: It looked like a fake like a frog statue. Yeah.

1172
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: So you know in Austin Powers, how like after being

1173
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: frozen for so long, like the first thing he does

1174
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 1: is like pe a lot. That's what the frogs do

1175
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 1: they pe out all of the excess glucos and then

1176
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: hop off to the nearest like to go shag some

1177
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: some other frog. It's like sex. Yeah immediately it's been

1178
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 1: long enough. Yeah, I think I've been frozen for months. Firstly,

1179
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 1: I just really need to pee. Then I'm going to

1180
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 1: get some So then this happens every year, like they

1181
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 1: just go through the cycle of like all right, time

1182
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: again to freeze. Yeah, every every winter. I don't know

1183
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: how long these frogs live, but probably a couple of winters.

1184
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 1: They've seen two winters. But it's like a repeatable sort

1185
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 1: of action. It's not like you froze yourself once no more, yeah,

1186
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: I think so. It's like the process they go through

1187
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: is just like they're not damaging their little bodies that much.

1188
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: There are other ways to keep yourself in suspended animation.

1189
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:46,080
Speaker 1: So one of my favorite animals are the little water bears. Yeah,

1190
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:50,600
Speaker 1: a little tartar grade. They're also called moss piglets. I

1191
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: like that name, moss piglets. Like that, it's cute. They've

1192
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: got so many cute names. I know, tart Grade is

1193
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 1: kind of a cute name. It is, and they are

1194
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: sort of cute. Depends on like the photograph taken of them.

1195
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: Some of the photographs are like the electron microscope imaging

1196
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: of them. It's really cute. They just like look like

1197
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: chubby little like bear worms. They have a lot of

1198
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: legs and stuff, but they're sort of chub z and stuff.

1199
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,160
Speaker 1: And but some of it like a close up of

1200
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: their faces, like because their mouths look like little butt

1201
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: holes the aspect but hole for a mouth. Um. So

1202
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:30,919
Speaker 1: they're microscopic animals. Um. They are less than a millimeter

1203
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: big and they can just barely be seen with the

1204
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 1: human eye. Um. So the tartar grade turns itself into

1205
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: a mummy. It dehydrates itself uh and does like a

1206
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: self embalming on its internal cells, organelles and membranes because

1207
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: this is a tiny but it is an animal, so

1208
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 1: it has a little organelle um. And it coats them

1209
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 1: in a special sugar gel called trahelos. And it is

1210
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,760
Speaker 1: effective enough that labs have revived tart grade samples up

1211
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 1: to forty years after they have gone through this self

1212
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 1: mummification process. Reportedly, I don't think this has been replicated

1213
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: in the lab, but like samples of dehydrated tartar grades

1214
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: were taken from one year old museum moss, and we're

1215
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: successfully revived. Must be a real like Jumanji situation for

1216
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: these these little moss picklets are like what do your is?

1217
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,679
Speaker 1: I guess they're not socializing much with like modern moss

1218
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 1: picklets and all their iPads and their twitters. They're just

1219
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,280
Speaker 1: all these old moss picklets on this moss. So maybe

1220
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: they're like the Amish to other moss picklets, where it's

1221
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: like you just suddenly have this whole society of antiquated

1222
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: tartar grades. So Cody, it's time to go to Imagine

1223
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: Nation station all board for a fun time. So would

1224
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: you become a brain in a jar? We're kind of

1225
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 1: touching on this earlier with the whole like preserving the

1226
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 1: just the brain space typically, but just like just the brain,

1227
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: not even your whole body, just your brain. There's like

1228
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 1: this idea that like if you can preserve the brain,

1229
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: that's essentially what you are. It's just like the brain.

1230
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 1: So like maybe you could be put in a robot body,

1231
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,439
Speaker 1: or like if you can keep it alive, you know,

1232
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: then like you can get put in the next Frankenstein. Right,

1233
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 1: there might be some sort of preservation of intelligence and

1234
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: consciousness that it can be transferred, right, if you can

1235
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:32,000
Speaker 1: preserve it well enough, I would consider it. I got

1236
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:38,719
Speaker 1: to hold a human brain. It was donated for learning.

1237
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: Oh sure, I assume assume that you got it through

1238
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 1: some sort of legitimate channels. Yes, I have not done

1239
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: brain crimes. That's that's what someone innocent of brain crimes

1240
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:57,000
Speaker 1: would say. It was weird brain and steal a brain.

1241
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: Come on in my hands, come on, powerful, for I

1242
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 1: held the entirety of a person in my hands. I

1243
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: didn't like it, I believe you. When I held the

1244
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: reesless monkey brain, it was a different how many I

1245
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: held a lot of weird stuff. I've held deep sea anglerfish. Okay,

1246
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: well that's not a brain fish. I've held a fish.

1247
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: A great story. I have held dead birds and brains. Um. Yeah,

1248
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 1: the reesless monkey brain was less creepy. It was more like, wow,

1249
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: this is interesting. It was also smaller and like, you know,

1250
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is like an animal brain, like

1251
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: a human brain is like that's gotta feel very creepy,

1252
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: and I don't like it. Yeah, it was. It was

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01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: weird because it's like you're like, well, obviously this isn't

1254
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: the person now, Yeah, and it just feel it feels weird.

1255
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,560
Speaker 1: It's like I don't like it's like sort of like firmish.

1256
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 1: That's what the texture. Well, it was preserved in formaldehyde

1257
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 1: for a long time, so it's like different texture than

1258
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 1: brain actually is. Obviously it's lost all the color because

1259
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: like a live brain is really colorful. It's like red

1260
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 1: and pink and purple veins and blue veins. Like it's

1261
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 1: pretty in a way, I guess if you ignore all

1262
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,719
Speaker 1: the context um, but like the human brain is beautiful.

1263
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 1: So imagine that your brain is kept alive but without

1264
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:22,360
Speaker 1: your consent. I have not agreed to this. You have

1265
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 1: not agreed to this, and your brain is totally preserved

1266
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: and kept alive, and your you can't do anything, like

1267
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 1: you can't like flagellate your brain. Still, you can't communicate,

1268
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: flick their hands away, and just how even if you

1269
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 1: weren't using experiments, which would probably be terrifying. It's probably

1270
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: why they have my brain. But like even if you're

1271
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: just left alone, like that would almost be worse because

1272
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: you have no connection to the outside world. You have

1273
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: no sensory information, you can't feel your body. Maybe you

1274
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: have some like phantom limb going on, because that does

1275
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,600
Speaker 1: happen when you lose a limb. You just wouldn't experience

1276
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,879
Speaker 1: any external thing and you'd just be kept on limbo.

1277
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: And if you were being experimented on, maybe that would

1278
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 1: be something of a relief even because you'd be feeling something,

1279
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: although you'd have no sense of like why it's happening

1280
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:22,719
Speaker 1: when it's happening, and you wouldn't have, yeah, the ability

1281
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: to like perceive or react to anything or have a

1282
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 1: sense of even time. Right, Like you're completely at the

1283
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:31,800
Speaker 1: mercy of what they decided to do with you. And

1284
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: I just hate that, Like I'm not breathing right now,

1285
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 1: I should breathe. That sounds terrifying. And if you get

1286
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 1: an it's right on your brain. Their brain doesn't have

1287
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: any nerves, so you wouldn't wouldn't, but they they'd be

1288
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 1: like poking, prodden you and like sending currents through your

1289
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: brain and pain essentially like occur in your head, like

1290
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: you have nerves that are communicating to your brain and

1291
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: saying how this hurts, and then your brain tells you,

1292
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: like you feel hurt now right, that is bad? You

1293
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 1: You shouldn't touch that fire, stop it right now, which

1294
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: I do a lot, Like I'll touch a hot pan

1295
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 1: and I'm like, my brain is, like we've been through

1296
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,920
Speaker 1: this before, you know, one of the first lessons I

1297
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: tried to teach you. Yeah, this is like the first

1298
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: thing we went over and I told you it was

1299
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 1: bad and you keep doing it? How many years has

1300
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 1: it been. We'll just we're just gonna take your brain

1301
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: out and put that because otherwise, um, but I just

1302
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 1: it really creeps me out. Yeah, I think, uh I would, Yeah,

1303
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 1: I would hate that because I wasn't even thinking like, oh,

1304
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: I'd be like conscious, right. I was like, oh, yeah,

1305
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, put my brain in whatever, and like I'll

1306
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: just like exist, but like it would be you'd exist, Yeah,

1307
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 1: and like how much of your conscious like how much

1308
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 1: of it would be you? And like, even if it's

1309
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 1: not entirely you, it's still an awareness since I don't, well,

1310
01:21:55,720 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 1: good news good this sea and I say goodness is

1311
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 1: badness and just trying to trying to sugarcoat it a

1312
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 1: little bit, like at this point, do you need to

1313
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 1: We've gotten this far just like off, we've broken you down. Uh.

1314
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: So it is becoming more of a reality than it

1315
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 1: used to be because scientists have successfully kept alive the

1316
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:26,519
Speaker 1: disembodied brains of pigs. Um. So it's not just like

1317
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: happening in the basement of you know that really quiet

1318
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 1: guy where he's like, he seemed like a nice guy

1319
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: and he's just really quiet and goes down to his

1320
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: basement with a bunch of pigs, keeps to himself les. Yeah, No,

1321
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: this is a Yale neuroscientist nead system. The pig brains

1322
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 1: were retrieved from a slaughterhouse, so they didn't kill the

1323
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 1: pigs to get their brains. They just like, like, you

1324
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 1: guys aren't using those brains, are you? Um uh? And

1325
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 1: they are pumped with artificial blood. Brain X, come on,

1326
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: could you try a little harder to sound less like

1327
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 1: the evil company in a horror movie like we we've

1328
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 1: invented brain X cut to zombies everywhere, Brad Pitt looking

1329
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:23,600
Speaker 1: stern um. So they brought the pig brains back to

1330
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: life for up to thirty six hours, and so the

1331
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 1: researchers reported that there was no evidence the brains had

1332
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:36,639
Speaker 1: regained consciousness. But there's no test for consciousness, Like, there's

1333
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 1: no definitive I mean, you can kind of do things

1334
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 1: like you know, searching for electrical signals. But it's not

1335
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: foolproof because like there was this guy, Martin Pistorius, who

1336
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 1: I think he may have gotten meningitis or terrible illness

1337
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,480
Speaker 1: that affected his brain, and they said, oh, he's effectively

1338
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: a vegetable. He's not conscious, and he slowly regained his consciousness,

1339
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 1: so it was true. He had lost consciousness for a

1340
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 1: good you know, he was in a vegetative state, but

1341
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 1: then he started to regain and but his body was paralyzed,

1342
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: so he's like locked into his body. Everyone thinks he's

1343
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: not aware, like not conscious, and it took a long time.

1344
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 1: He was in that state for years, and then he

1345
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: finally had a nurse who was like, I don't buy

1346
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 1: that he's not in there, Like she felt like there

1347
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 1: was certain eye movements that he did, certain like things

1348
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:38,000
Speaker 1: in response to her. It's like, really sad because often

1349
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,559
Speaker 1: you'll think that's happening with someone, but it's sort of

1350
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 1: just your own interpretation. But in this case, he really

1351
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,600
Speaker 1: was there. He was and he was trying to communicate,

1352
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 1: and eventually he was able to find a way to

1353
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 1: communicate with the nurses, and then they were able to

1354
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 1: develop tools for him and he's like gives talks now,

1355
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:57,840
Speaker 1: like he like uses one of those, Like I think

1356
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: it's eye movement to text things. And it's just really

1357
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 1: creepy to me because like you could like have a

1358
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 1: brain and be like, well, it's not conscious, it's not alive,

1359
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 1: and then like what if it regains its consciousness eventually

1360
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,640
Speaker 1: or like because you're presumably not constantly monitoring it for

1361
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 1: electrical activity, like there could be brief moments or like

1362
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: minutes where it's back in there. But if you think

1363
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 1: this is only a problem for pigs, hold onto your brains,

1364
01:25:26,439 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 1: but Cody, I of course do not think that that's

1365
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: where it ended. The researchers say this technology could be

1366
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 1: adapted to human brains and are hopeful that it could

1367
01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: be used to study diseases like Alzheimer's, which cannot be

1368
01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:44,400
Speaker 1: studied from dead brains. I have thoughts and feelings about

1369
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:48,639
Speaker 1: this because like, on the one hand, like my grandma

1370
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 1: had um dimension, I know how awful that is, And

1371
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,760
Speaker 1: of course I want there to be research into Alzheimer's

1372
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: and dementia because it's just a devastating thing. But also

1373
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:05,360
Speaker 1: don't want a human brain to be tormented. We can't

1374
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 1: be sure it won't be Yeah, what, like what's the

1375
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: line there, and like what what are you doing to

1376
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 1: the brain and how is that? Because if you're if

1377
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 1: it is not a dead brain, because you can't study

1378
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 1: dead brains for this, then it's alive and then it's

1379
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 1: some form of consciousness. So you have, like you were

1380
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: describing that terror of being like just a brain is

1381
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 1: alive and conscious and experiencing these tests in some sort

1382
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: of way, one would assume because it's not brain dead. Yeah,

1383
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,639
Speaker 1: I guess the counter argument would be, like, we can

1384
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 1: keep individual cells in the brain alive, but that doesn't

1385
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 1: mean the synapses are firing. That doesn't mean that what

1386
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 1: makes that consciousness is still there. But I would feel

1387
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 1: a lot more comfortable if we had a better working

1388
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:54,640
Speaker 1: definition of we're getting there. But it's just like I

1389
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 1: still don't know, and yeah, even this guy who like

1390
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 1: slowly woke up over time, like you aren't safe for

1391
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 1: sure that the tests you're doing are not not on

1392
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 1: a person that can sense these things, right, And I

1393
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: feel differently about this versus like say taking someone off

1394
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,400
Speaker 1: life support, because in that case it's like, well, you

1395
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 1: know the family's decision and hopefully you've talked about it

1396
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: with your family member, and you're doing it according to

1397
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 1: their wishes and your wishes, and I don't think you should.

1398
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, if there's a tiny chance they're alive,

1399
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 1: you cannot like take them off life support or something.

1400
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 1: I think that should be very personal decision. But it's

1401
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 1: different when you're like forcing someone to be alive. That's

1402
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 1: almost more responsibility because you're potentially forcing them to exist

1403
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:44,120
Speaker 1: in a situation that's horrifying. Yeah, it's arguably worse. Even

1404
01:27:44,160 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 1: if you consent to it while you're alive. You would

1405
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 1: never be able to like be like hey, actually this sucks,

1406
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 1: stop it right. Yeah, there's there's no like clause of

1407
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 1: like I changed my mind or like this is I

1408
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 1: can't indicate that I don't. That's why, like earlier, when

1409
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 1: we're talking about like would you freeze your brain? Would

1410
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 1: you want to even transfer your brain to like a

1411
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 1: robot or whatever, which sort of leads to like the

1412
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: concept of like just like you could be alive forever,

1413
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 1: like your consciousness could continue forever if you want, but

1414
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 1: having some sort of kill switch seems necessary for that, like,

1415
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:18,160
Speaker 1: because the forever is the terrifying part. I would maybe

1416
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: want to try it if I had like an out

1417
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:23,960
Speaker 1: like nope, I'm out right, like yeah, a nope button

1418
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,800
Speaker 1: and then maybe like twenty years later it flips back

1419
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 1: on You're like still no, you know, okay, you're gonna

1420
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 1: shut you down again because it was a black mirror

1421
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 1: like that or something, yeah, where yeah, consciousness was sort

1422
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:39,600
Speaker 1: of kept in these little hard drives. Didn't like that

1423
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 1: an uplifting one though, it's one of the few. I think.

1424
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:46,360
Speaker 1: I think was that the Black Museum one. No, uh

1425
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 1: sanin peril Oh that one, Yeah, that was nice. That

1426
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 1: was nice. No, I'm thinking of the one where you're

1427
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 1: trapped in a inanimate object and it's awful and I

1428
01:28:56,320 --> 01:29:01,720
Speaker 1: hated it. That was so. There is a philosopher and

1429
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: neuroscientist named Antonio Dimi Massio who warns that the experience

1430
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 1: of a reanimated brain could be deeply disturbing. As we

1431
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 1: m that makes a lot of sense, and he he

1432
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 1: says that without the feedback loop between the brain and

1433
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:22,879
Speaker 1: spinal cord and signals from the body, a normal conscious

1434
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,920
Speaker 1: experience may not be possible. So he's even going beyond

1435
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: just like the horror of being like kind of stuck

1436
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 1: in your brain. He's saying, like, there's like part of

1437
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: your brain is kind of in your spinal cord and

1438
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 1: in your nerves and your body. Like a lot of

1439
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 1: the processing your consciousness isn't just a floating brain. It's

1440
01:29:39,800 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 1: like feedback the rest of your body and experience. The

1441
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: equals consciousness as opposed to Yeah, and like even if

1442
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 1: you're like visually impaired, hearing impaired, you can still have

1443
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 1: a happy consciousness. Or if like say you're paralyzed, you

1444
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 1: can still have a normal consciousness. Like even if you're

1445
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 1: very impaired, some of your sensory organs are impaired, there's

1446
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 1: still some connection to the outside world, Like there's something there.

1447
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 1: But without like a spinal cord, without that kind of

1448
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 1: like feedback, it's just yeah, without those systems and the

1449
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:13,519
Speaker 1: back and forth, it would kind of probably make you

1450
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 1: go insane a little bit. Yeah, I mean, like the

1451
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,600
Speaker 1: Martin Pistorious, the guy who was like locked in his

1452
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: body for years and couldn't communicate. He talked about how

1453
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 1: like he was very depressed for a long time. Of

1454
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 1: course she would be like, my god, but he just

1455
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 1: describes it as something very unpleasant. But for him there's

1456
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 1: like a light at the end of the tunnel where

1457
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,800
Speaker 1: like the promise of actually being able to communicate, because

1458
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 1: even that was he was connected to the world anyways.

1459
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,960
Speaker 1: Like it was just like I can't really communicate, but

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Speaker 1: you still have things around you and people that you

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Speaker 1: recognize and are trying to communicate, which is also terrifying.

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Speaker 1: Like being locked in your body is terrifying, but this

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01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 1: is like being locked in. Like it's different, and it's

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Speaker 1: very very disturbing. I get a sleep, which is not

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Speaker 1: a good time. It's not great. It's not great. It's

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Speaker 1: like where you kind of wake up and you're getting

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Speaker 1: sensory information but you can't move. Yeah, and kind of

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Speaker 1: put that do that not like on purpose, but like

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Speaker 1: you but like it's like a step for for lucid dreaming.

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Speaker 1: You can kind of put yourself in that mindset like

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Speaker 1: and it all it does take is just lying on

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Speaker 1: your back hand like arms by your side and just

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Speaker 1: look up and close your eyes and just stay still.

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Speaker 1: That sounds not fun. It's not. I've tried it a

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Speaker 1: couple of times. It's very not fun. It's sort of

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Speaker 1: in between sleep paralysis and dreamlike state. Like your dream

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Speaker 1: is that you're exactly where you are, and I want

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01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 1: to dream things like I can fly and punch people. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that's a step towards that, but that first

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Speaker 1: step is very unpleasant. Yeah. Maybe, like if you were

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Speaker 1: a brain in a jar, you could just do lucid

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Speaker 1: dreaming to the max because you would have no external

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Speaker 1: stimuli to wake you up from your wonderful dream where

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Speaker 1: you can fly and punch people. That's true. Yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's just a really fun dream constantly that you can

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Speaker 1: never escape. Before we go, there's one more tale of

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Speaker 1: mad science, but this one leaves me a little more optimistic.

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Speaker 1: U C. L A has developed a biomaterial gel that

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Speaker 1: is showing some promise in helping mice regrow their brains

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Speaker 1: after a damaging stroke. The brain, though able to make

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Speaker 1: continuous new neural connections throughout our lives, can't regenerate like

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Speaker 1: other tissues when it's damaged by stroker injury. The afflicted

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01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 1: areas can't regrow. Often, recovery from stroke means that other

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Speaker 1: unaffected parts of the brain are picking up the slack,

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Speaker 1: owing to the pretty adaptive nature of the brain, but

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Speaker 1: in severe stroke, when damage affects key areas or is extensive,

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Speaker 1: this may not be possible. That's why the news of

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Speaker 1: this brain gel is so exciting. It's been shown to

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Speaker 1: actually allow for the both of neuronal connections and scarred

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Speaker 1: damaged areas of the mice brains. But as intriguing as

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Speaker 1: it is, it also raises a question. If you could

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Speaker 1: regrow your brain after extensive damage, would you still be

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01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 1: you or would this new brain be a unique individual.

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Speaker 1: I think we'll start finding some very strange but important

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Speaker 1: answers to the nature of consciousness once science advances to

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Speaker 1: the point of regrowing damaged brains. Well, So, Cody, you

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Speaker 1: got anything else to plug, sure, watch my show if

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Speaker 1: you like it. It's about the good news. Uh. It's

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Speaker 1: called some More News on YouTube the podcast you mentioned

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Speaker 1: Even More News. My Patreon is a thing that we do.

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Speaker 1: It's just patreon dot com slash Cody Johnston. UM. If

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Speaker 1: you want to support us to make more often longer shows, UM,

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Speaker 1: that would be great. And I don't know my Twitter

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Speaker 1: it's dr mr Cody's d R M I S T

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Speaker 1: E R C M D Y and I hate it,

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Speaker 1: but it's not gonna I like your rants. I know

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Speaker 1: they're probably not good for you, but we all benefit

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Speaker 1: from them, that's what I hear. Yeah, I'm happy to

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Speaker 1: have help in that capacity. Well, that's that's great. And

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Speaker 1: I've I've seen, of course the some more news and

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Speaker 1: even more news, and they're both great. Highly recommend you

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Speaker 1: guys go through stuff so we don't have to shaving

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Speaker 1: years off our lives. Um and you can follow me

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Speaker 1: at Katie Golden on the Twitter or at pro bird

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Speaker 1: writes uh And I would definitely suggest the latter because

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Speaker 1: it's more fun being a bird than a human sometimes

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Speaker 1: it really is. The Oh yeah, our twitter is some

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Speaker 1: more news on twitter Twitter account as well. That's good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: terror from the person, But you've got to compartmentalize a

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Speaker 1: little bit. That's the takeaway from this episode. Compartmentalized, shove

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Speaker 1: it in their lock it tight, don't think about death,

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Speaker 1: ignore the stuff that bothers you do it. Good job, everybody.

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Speaker 1: M