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Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio

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Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast they am paranormal podcast network. Welcome

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Speaker 1: in personal paranormal terror stories, adventures, research investigations. I mean

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Speaker 1: from angels to aliens, shadow people to at man. This

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Speaker 1: is the place I like to get your emails, your stories, whispers, legends,

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Speaker 1: whatever it is that you've ever come across, and share

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Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot com. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I have that second one because people often misspell my name. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Simeon hind. He is a director of the nonprofit Institute

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Speaker 1: Patterns things that start to become common when you're speaking

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Speaker 1: how are you today? Fabulous? Oh my gosh. You have

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Speaker 1: We'll pick it up right there, so much to take

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Speaker 1: the connectivity between different types of phenomena from Bigfoot to

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Speaker 1: orbs and UFO encounters and and uh, Simmy, and what

425
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: you're saying it is so pronounced and and everything that

426
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: I ever come across that you know, I'm speaking to

427
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,879
Speaker 1: somebody who's had UFO alien encounters and they're like, and

428
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: by the way, I I think I have a Poulter

429
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: guist from like what you know, and and it's they

430
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: feel like they're going crazy, that human element like it's

431
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: just um, it must be maddening to somebody who never

432
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: thought to look into these topics to be slammed with

433
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: so much, and you try to relate to family members

434
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: or friends or co workers and they just roll their eyes.

435
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: And if a lot of people are absolutely isolated and

436
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: feel alone in this, So, how do you teach your

437
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: students and others that you come across in this field, uh,

438
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, how to see that connectivity with what you're

439
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: describing as subtle energy science. Well, this is something that

440
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: sociologists know about, Heidi. It's called hidden events, and it's

441
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: not new. Sociologists know that there's things that people experience

442
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 1: that they don't want to talk about for fear of

443
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, ostracism and ridicule. What the UAP Task Force

444
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 1: in their report last year, we're still waiting for the

445
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: report as of this podcast, for the one that's due

446
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: out now, but they identified socio cultural stigma as one

447
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: of the main barriers to you know, pilots in the

448
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 1: Navy and Air Force reporting their encounters and so it's

449
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: part of the knowledge within social science is that there's

450
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: reality beyond what people are comfortable describing to their years

451
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: and colleagues and neighbors. And this is what you hear

452
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: all of all the time with people who experience what

453
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: we call paranormal phenomenon is that they're afraid if they

454
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: talk about what they saw out in the woods behind

455
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: their home, that they're going to get laughed at by

456
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: their neighbors. And they do. They do get laughed at.

457
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: They do. To me, I'm like, so what you know,

458
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: I'll laugh right along with them crack jokes. But you know,

459
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna still talking about you have to you have

460
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: to hire we can understand this this world. You know what,

461
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to me. Now, there's a specific

462
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: topic that you cover when it comes to bigfoot, and

463
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: you are noticing patterns. We love patterns on this show.

464
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, so we talk about patterns all the time.

465
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: But you have noticed that there is something that happens

466
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: right before bigfoot encounters, Like, what are we talking about? Right?

467
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: And this is exactly what we're talking about, Heidi. There's

468
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: something that happens around bigfoot encounters that also happens around

469
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: UFL encounters, which is a strange sort of silence that

470
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: descends on the area before people have their encounter with

471
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: a bigfoot or other type of cryptic and many witnesses

472
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: I've spoken to they say it's just the eeriest feeling

473
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: you could imagine, because the whole area becomes so quiet.

474
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: And this doesn't happen in every single big foot encounter,

475
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: but it happens in lots of them. The insects even

476
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: stopped chirping'll take off, they run for the hills. They're like,

477
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. Well, the insects, normally, you wouldn't

478
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: mean it's understandable that other mammals and birds might have

479
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: a feeling of fear if they're around are really, you know,

480
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: apex predator. They might just distinctively recognize that they're around

481
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: something that could eat them. Right, Well, what about crickets.

482
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you wouldn't think crickets would be afraid of bigfoot.

483
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: It's hard to find crickets even one of them. They're

484
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: so they're so good at being ventriloquis, Right, you're like,

485
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: where's where's that sound? Right, We'll imagine you're around thousands

486
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: of them. They know how to hide collectively by merging

487
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: their resonance of their sound right. You can't locate them.

488
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: So what it seems to be is some sort of

489
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: shift in space time where these crypt it show up.

490
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: I mean, and this is what I'm talking about in

491
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: dark matter monsters, is these are not ordinary mammals. Okay,

492
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: I don't believe what we hear from anthropologists and so forth,

493
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: even the ones who've spoken about it. This is not

494
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: some escaped guerrilla or or primate that's just a relic

495
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: primate that's extremely rare, that's left over from the last

496
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: ice age or something like this. I mean, we're talking

497
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: about uh beings, creatures that shift the structure of space time.

498
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: I mean, and in physics it's called primitive itty. It's

499
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: the it's sort of the fundamental structure of space. There's

500
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: a fundamental electrical constant there, and that seems to change

501
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: around ufo ctings and around cryptid encounters, to which would

502
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: account for why their insects can detect this. This is

503
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: what I'm sort of suggesting. Insects and other animals can

504
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: detect this change in permitivity, and it changes speed, you know,

505
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: the way time works, the way the speed of light itself.

506
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: Even how put off we mentioned earlier, part of the

507
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: r V program. Spoke about this in Las Vegas at

508
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: the HERBA SSSE meeting. He gave us an entire lecture

509
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: about how UFO materials, I mean, we're talking extraterrestrial materials,

510
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: as he implied, could change the structure of space, time,

511
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: change the speed of light, and so forth. So it's

512
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: just a really interesting science that's behind us. Yeah, it's

513
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: it sounds like it. Now there's another element that you're

514
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: able to explain when it comes to this invisibility, uh element,

515
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: when it comes to the Bigfoot. I mean, what do

516
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: you think is going on with that? I mean, this

517
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: I've never heard of somebody try to explain how that

518
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: may occur, right, I know this is new for some people.

519
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 1: But these uh, these beings, creatures, whatever they turn out

520
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: to be, they seem very human in some respects. Also,

521
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: they're very good at hiding from us. They're very good

522
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: at cloaking and creating a visibility even teleportation. And even

523
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: though that might sound like science fiction, we know from

524
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: looking at defense contractor patents that they're patenting this technology

525
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: right now. Based on exactly what you said at the

526
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: beginning of our discussion here, quantum phenomenal quantum mechanics. There

527
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,959
Speaker 1: are names for these quantum phenomena. One's called the aronhof

528
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: Boma effect, and you know, created in the fifties by

529
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: physicists about how you can create non local effects, how

530
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: you can create teleportation and cloaking invisibility. So I'm suggesting

531
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Speaker 1: that if defense contractors are patenting this, why would we

532
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: assume that we're the first ones to figure this out

533
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,239
Speaker 1: on planet Earth. Maybe the beans that came before us,

534
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: that figured this out, find it to their advantage to

535
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: be invisible, right, Maybe they don't want to encounter us

536
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean, we don't want to encounter

537
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: each other all the time. Maybe they just like to

538
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: avoid us for right, look at the state of the planet,

539
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: so maybe they say, luck, we don't want to be

540
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: in contact with humans most of the time. I think, honestly,

541
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: these are beings there around us, and they're extremely good

542
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: at being invisible. I don't want to panic people or anything,

543
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: but they're around and if they want to show up,

544
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: they can't. And if they don't want to, they can

545
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: go into other you know, dimensional spaces for lack of

546
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: a better word. But we won't see them. They'll be there,

547
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: but you won't notice that they're there. No, you panic

548
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: people when you say, and they're very hungry and they

549
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: can hide and sometimes they are okay sometimes yes, I've

550
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: heard stories it's like, oh man, this is not a

551
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: good thing. Um. But yeah, you know, it's when you

552
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: think about moths and how they're able to blend in

553
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: so the birds don't get them. I mean, of course,

554
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's like this is just natural and but yeah,

555
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: it's kind of kind of spooky though, to think that

556
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: there's something that might be smarter than us that's lurking

557
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: and yeah, it does get hungry, and yeah it does hunt,

558
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:01,239
Speaker 1: you know. Um, so yeah, absolutely, yeah, no, Heidi, this

559
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: is a really challenging topic to talk about, I mean,

560
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: because it's suggests and it's a big ego buster for

561
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: I guess for us humans who think we're at the

562
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: top of the food chain. Maybe we're not. And maybe

563
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: there's other creatures around that are more intelligent than we

564
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: are in some ways, at least in terms of their

565
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: street smarts, you know, the forest smarts, uh, and that

566
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: they're there, they can do things that you and I

567
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: maybe can't do as easily, you know, like become invisible.

568
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: Maybe their natural PK artists. You know, people that I

569
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: know that can do PK had to train for a

570
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: while to do it. And of course we know of

571
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: natural psychics. But maybe these beings just know how to

572
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: do these things. They have these skills to an nth

573
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: degree farther than we do. Don't have to take RV classes,

574
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? And if they existed

575
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: like this, they wouldn't give their position away at all.

576
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: Why would they wouldn't help them? It gives them an

577
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: advantage to stay. And by the way, we have some

578
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: very good work coming from people I have worked at

579
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: the Defense and Intelligence Agency, James Lakatski who wrote that

580
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: book Skinwalkers at the Pentagon, which I'm sure you've heard of.

581
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: I mean, so he's talking about them seeing cryptids out there,

582
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: were wolves, dog men, whenever you want to call it,

583
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: and then seeing it back when they went back to

584
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: their suburban homes in Maryland. You know, uh, like, it's

585
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: not that it followed them home. I don't believe that.

586
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: I'm not actually a believer in the hitchhiker effect. Those

587
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: entities are around all the time. You just became more

588
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: sensitive to it. Probably going out there in this place

589
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: like skin Walker Ranch and studying these phenomena. Definitely, you know,

590
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: I think we might be their refrigerator or a grocery

591
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: store for all we know. Um, possibly that's so disturbing

592
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: to think about. But uh, in all honesty, I mean,

593
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: you gotta wonder, because I know I've had regular folks

594
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: that would come to my meetings and say, okay, so

595
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 1: I never ever experienced anything in my life, but oh

596
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: my gosh, I was at a prayer meeting and I

597
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: looked up and there's this reptilian sitting there in a

598
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: woman's dress, you know, and it's like the way that

599
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: you know, people get introduced to this, this real world,

600
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: I can really disrupt a lot. No, it's true, and

601
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: you know you're bringing back. Something I should mention is

602
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: that one of the r V students I worked with

603
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: back in the early nineties, even in the you know,

604
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: the early days of it, he said he went home

605
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 1: and encountered a reptilian in his home. And at the time,

606
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: you have to imagine twenty five years ago, I had

607
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: a little trouble understanding how the two could be connected.

608
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: But now it makes a lot more sense. Is that

609
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: this there's other you know, there's parallel realities around us,

610
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: and most of the time you don't experience it, but

611
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: sometimes it sort of bleeds through to our reality. And

612
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: doing r V makes you more sensitive other life forms. Absolutely.

613
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: I had a group that I ran for fifteen years.

614
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: People come just because they're curious. Oftentimes, by the next

615
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: meeting they'd seen something so often and I'm like, you know,

616
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: what is this a contagion? You know? But like you said,

617
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, people become aware and uh, I don't know,

618
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: they look into those nooks and crannies or and it

619
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: looks back maybe. Um. You know, it's fascinating, right. I

620
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: think it's going to be one of the biggest shocks

621
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: to our society to realize that we're their life forms

622
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: around us that we're we haven't been told about, but

623
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: they're there. Oh gosh. Yeah. I mean our government taken

624
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: the steps forward that they have. Uh, you know, I

625
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot of faith in it because

626
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: they're not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts.

627
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: There's an agenda. Everybody knows, you know. It's like, okay,

628
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: hold on, you've harassed me and my friends for years

629
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: and acted like nothing was going on. And all of

630
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: a sudden, Oh guess what, guys, look up, you know,

631
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: look around. You're required to report these things now if

632
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: you're flying a plane. What you mean it was no

633
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Speaker 1: weather balloon after all? Yeah? All this hubbub man, I'm like,

634
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Speaker 1: I don't trust. How about ice crystals? Oh, that's acting

635
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: through the winch. I know, Heidi, this is exactly what

636
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: it's like. We've been creating. What the Yeah, I think

637
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: it's people in your profession intellectual alibis, which are excuses

638
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: for not dealing with what people are really encountering, you know,

639
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: and you could say it was just flocks of geese

640
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: or something bouncing off. I love that. I should use

641
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: that right if we gotta get to her next break

642
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: intellectual alibis. Oh my gosh. All right, you guys. You

643
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Speaker 1: are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi Hollis

644
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio Coast to Coast a UM

645
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be right back. Welcome back.

646
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi

647
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast

648
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: a AM Paranormal podcast Network. So I have Simme and

649
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: high on here and we are talking about the good

650
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: stuff intellectual alibis. You know, Um, you know something that

651
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,879
Speaker 1: you mentioned about natural psychics, So remote viewing is kind

652
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: of playing upon our natural abilities, but it's not being

653
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: a natural psychic. I have some good friends that are

654
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: are really like unbelievable, you know, their abilities are like

655
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: not human and I'm like, but in the remote viewing

656
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: it is just like a cent for them. So how

657
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: do you get people to a level of success with

658
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: remote viewing to open up? You know, it's a good question.

659
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 1: There are some people that are naturals at it, and

660
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: most of us need some sort of training. And the

661
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: reason we need training is we're just so used to

662
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: editing out are thinking. R V teaches you not to

663
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: edit out your perceptions during a session. That's the main

664
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Speaker 1: rule in r V, don't edit anything out. And in

665
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: the CRV system, the written system invented by Ingo Swan

666
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: that I use and teach you know people, Um, you're

667
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: taught where to write things down on the page to

668
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: separate signal from noise, and and the noise goes in

669
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Speaker 1: one part of the page and the signal goes on

670
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Speaker 1: another part. So it's it's learning not to edit out

671
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: these these perceptions that we get of non local information

672
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: are very subtle and they're pretty fleeting that they disappear

673
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. So it's learning to be like I say,

674
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: like a psychic detective of yourself, which is learning not

675
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: to edit things out as much as we're trained to

676
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: do in school. Okay, all right, that is kind of

677
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: hard to turn off because that's all we do all

678
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 1: day is corporate our surroundings, what we're experiencing. But you're

679
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: teaching them to let go. Huh, we'll write it down

680
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: at least and don't judge it, and we'll look at

681
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: it at the end of the session. You get to

682
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: take a look at it and decide is this part

683
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: of the target or is this noise? But during the

684
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: session you don't know. So you just have to write

685
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: everything down or you'll edit out all the real target

686
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: contact because it's very subtle and uh yeah, it's challenging people.

687
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Speaker 1: You can do it, but I mean, ever since we

688
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: were in first grade, I think we were taught to

689
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: start editing and deleting things that don't fit our social consensus.

690
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: That's what socialization is. It's not a bad thing, it's

691
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: just a limiting thing. It limits our perception, and if

692
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: you want to retrain yourself, you need to learn to

693
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: listen to all of those signals that you're getting, at

694
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Speaker 1: least during the session, you know, and then you're done

695
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: with the session and you kind of become an ordinary

696
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 1: person again. And I was like, drop everything you've ever learned,

697
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: stop judging, and just roll with it. Like oh, sure,

698
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: like that's easy, but I could see why you need

699
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Speaker 1: instructions on how to go about right, yeah, because that

700
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Speaker 1: that's not an easy feed for most people. One of

701
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Speaker 1: the things that you cover one of my favorite topics

702
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: as well, of the strange crop circles. Um. You know,

703
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: there's there's, of course a lot of fake ones, but

704
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: then there's those authentic ones where you know there's changes,

705
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: there's there's things that are left behind, and one of

706
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: them you're noticing an electromagnetic effect. What what are you

707
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: finding with that? Right? This was one of the real

708
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: interesting findings I learned about crop circles because they were

709
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Speaker 1: in some of our targets, are v targets, and I

710
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: didn't know what they were in. I really thought I

711
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: should go over there. I went on a crop circle

712
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: tour and Uh, and this is something I've been doing

713
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: ever since, is going over there as much as possibly,

714
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: even giving my own tours. And we've found that you

715
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: get battery and camera failure around these crops circles. I'd

716
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: heard about this, but I wanted to see it for myself,

717
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 1: and how I've seen it in spades. Multiple devices you know,

718
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: going you know, giving you error signals, battery fails, just

719
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: kind of going on the fritz, as we would say,

720
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Speaker 1: even even to the extent of camcorders melting on the

721
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Speaker 1: inside when they're put down on our crop circle. And

722
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: this has to do with the shape of the circle

723
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Speaker 1: and something about its ability to organize the background energy

724
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Speaker 1: that we're around. Even what I I suggest it's it's

725
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: lensing and focusing dark matter. And so the crop circles

726
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: did something I never expected, but I never would have

727
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: thought that happened around cryptids too, And it does. People

728
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: report their batteries and cameras failing around uh, Bigfoot sightings encounters.

729
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: I've talked to some of these witnesses, so it's seat

730
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: I was really surprised that you think at the same

731
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Speaker 1: phenomena happened around both big foot and crop circles. What

732
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: you would think would be separate topics. Uh so, I

733
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: would disagree slightly. It's not that the ones that are

734
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: man made are fake. I mean they're made by people,

735
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: but they could have real energy too, if the shapes

736
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: are really precise. Yeah, because the artists that do that,

737
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: and I got to know them and I wrote about

738
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: this and Opening Minds. My first book was that the

739
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: circle makers that I met, I'm not saying they're all

740
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: like this, We're pretty serious about making circles that had

741
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: what they called natural magic. So they even were aware

742
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: that somehow the shape itself could focus energy and lens

743
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: enter you know, interesting way that you could feel in

744
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: your body or you certainly your camera and camcorders would

745
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 1: react to it. So to me, they're all real, even

746
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: the man made ones. If they're made with the correct

747
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: intention and they have you know, precision to them, they're

748
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: going to have real effects. Oh no, that's another thought too.

749
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: It's like, so the right intention, it's like there's power

750
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: behind words even and there's power against the strokes of

751
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: of uh your guitar, you're a musician, It's like you know,

752
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: can feel a passion right right, It's if it has

753
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: a resonance. It's got the resonance, and you know from

754
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: the whole area called somatics. I'm sure our listeners have

755
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: heard of that before. That shapes can create energy, and

756
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: energy create shapes, and it's so it's sort of energy

757
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: can change forms, and it can do it through crop

758
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: circles and patterns that are that shape. You know. Art

759
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: Belt himself asked me years ago during one of these interviews,

760
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: if we put smoke around a crop circle, would spot

761
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: go into a spiral? Isn't it a great question? Oh?

762
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: Has it been experimented to be I haven't actually done

763
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: it out there in the fields. There's just so many

764
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: different conditions. You're dealing with wind, and you're on some

765
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: farmers land. He they may not want you out there

766
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: very long. But it's definitely a good experiment. It's the

767
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: right idea. I think Art had the right idea, which

768
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: is that the shape itself, regardless of who made it.

769
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that UFOs haven't made bunches of them,

770
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: because I've spoken to witnesses who have seen that something

771
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: like that. They've seen flying discs and so forth affect

772
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: plants right beneath them, so that that there's definitely connection

773
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: there and witnesses who've seen that over the years. But

774
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: the people side of it was interesting, and even the

775
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: human made ones had very interesting energy. Heidi. We even

776
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: made some ourselves, paying the farmers ahead of time and

777
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: doing our own experimental formations. We put a sign up

778
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: saying this as man may experiment, and people didn't believe it.

779
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: They said, no, it looks too good, you couldn't have Yeah. Yeah.

780
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: That Again, the sociology side of it is, sometimes all

781
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: of us can get too rigid in our beliefs about

782
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: any of these phenomena and think, you know, I'm right

783
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: and there's no way it could be man made. But

784
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 1: reality is always more complex than any of us sort

785
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: of think it is right, right, And what's this about

786
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 1: a Midwestern town that had some kind of short terms

787
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: total electric magnetic collapse happened there. So this is interesting

788
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: in researching these topics where you get these sort of

789
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: shifts in space time and strange effects on cameras and batteries.

790
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: Someone that worked in the Department of Defense told me

791
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: of a story which he gave me permission to share. Uh.

792
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: In dark matter monsters and you know in interviews that

793
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: the Pentagon has programs that monitor our airspace for weird

794
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: electro magnetic signals, and he said that back in the

795
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: sixty they detected a town in the Midwest that had

796
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: a complete electromagnetic collapse for twenty four hours, where electricity

797
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: stopped working, even in batteries and watches, and they never

798
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 1: could explain it. He initially suggested to me they thought

799
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: it might have been caused by a UFO over the town,

800
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: but they could never determine what caused it, and they

801
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: were of course alarmed by it too. However, they monitored this.

802
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: He didn't tell me how they actually detect these things,

803
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: but it was a small town, but he said, all

804
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: you know, car cars wouldn't start and so forth for

805
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: a whole day, and the people there must have really

806
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: wondered what was going on, because this individual told me

807
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: they didn't even call the town and tell them what

808
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: was going on. They were just monitoring it from a distance,

809
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: which sort of interesting in itself. Yeah, thanks a lot, guys.

810
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 1: We're paying your pills, but we're not going to tell

811
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: you what's going on over there. You're on your own

812
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: under the dome and like wonder the yeah, poke a

813
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,280
Speaker 1: stick at people that's crazy. How would you explain then,

814
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: Like somebody like myself, and there's others too that have

815
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: experienced odd phenomenon, we tend to blow things up. I

816
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: just had a MacBook Pro do that to me. I'm

817
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: not kidding you two days ago. It's brand new, it's

818
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: thirty days old. Thank god, it's under the warranty, so

819
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: I had to return it and I'm getting a new one.

820
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: So but this is like constant. My new iPhone did

821
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: the same thing my you know, it's it's just a problem.

822
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: How do you explain that what's going on? There are

823
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: number of possible explanations, and heid I've known people like

824
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: this too. I was around a friend once who was

825
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: really good at our v and at the glass just

826
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 1: cracked right in front of her. She wasn't even touching it,

827
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: and she told me that things like this happened around her,

828
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: and then I saw it. You know, but in cases

829
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: like this, I mean, this has happened all over the

830
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: world from time to time. Even in the Soviet Union

831
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: they noticed this happening, That strange things happening over towns,

832
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: gravitational changes that you know that just could not be explained,

833
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: that lasted for a few minutes, you know. Uh. Dr

834
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: Alexander parkam Off, who is a former Soviet scientist, wrote

835
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: about this and he uh he suggested it was due

836
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,240
Speaker 1: to small black holes coming into the atmosphere, which again

837
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: would affect permativity structure of space. That's what they thought

838
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: it was happening over there. I'm living in a black hole. Well,

839
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: how can people get ahold of your books and get

840
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: more information about what you're doing? Thanks? Well, my blog

841
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: is new Crystal mind dot com and I'm happy to

842
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 1: send Coast listeners, you know, signed copies of any of

843
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: my books, Dark Matter, Monsters are Opening Minds or black

844
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Speaker 1: Swan Ghost, which is about my contact with UFO witnesses

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