1 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: Hey there, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of 2 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: the Betting Pros NFL Podcast, brought to you by play MGM. 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Dan Harris. You can find me on 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: Twitter at Dan Harris eighty. We've talked about the sports 5 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: betting landscape. We've talked about wind totals and team futures 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: and player futures, and how sportsbooks reacted to the Andrew 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: Luck news and betting trends that we've noticed. But now 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: finally we get to move away from the longview and 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: focus on a weekly analysis. Starting now, we're going to 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: have two shows each week. The first one, which we'll 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: record Monday night, will take a look at the spreads 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: and over unders for every game that upcoming week. That's 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: just going to be our reaction to the lines and 14 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: where we think they might move by game time. The 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: second podcast, later in the week, we'll address some of 16 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: our best bets. This in case you hit your head 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: and blacked out for a bit and think it's Thursday 18 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: or something. Is the first one of the week, and 19 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: with me to break down all the lines for week 20 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: one is Sean Green. Usually I try to give like 21 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: a five word description of who our guest is, but 22 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: I cannot possibly sum up Sean that quickly. He is 23 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: the co creator of the sports Gambling podcast. He is 24 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: the host of Sewan's Sports Show. He is the co 25 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: host of Untied on Mad Dog Sports Serious XM. He 26 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: is a comedian and a writer, and he invented that 27 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: valve do Hickey on the artificial Heart. Fine, I made 28 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: that last one up. That's actually just a line from 29 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: one of the most underrated movies of all time, My 30 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: Blue Heaven with Steve Martin Rick moranis but the rest 31 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: of that is all true. You can find him on 32 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: Twitter at Seawan T. Green Shawn. Thank you for coming 33 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: on the show. How is it going? 34 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: Awesome? Man, Thanks for having me on. Yeah. I probably 35 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: need that heart valve thing. Sweating out these week one 36 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: NFL games. 37 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: Oh man, I am so excited that it's finally time. 38 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous. And look, I mean, you know, I'm interested, 39 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: of course in sports gambling in every single sport. Frank, 40 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: I love the WNBA actually, and I've talked about that 41 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: a couple of times. I think that sometime where you 42 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: can really if you're attention, you can really make some money. 43 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: But there is nothing like real football to get us going. 44 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: So for me, this is basically like the last It's 45 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: like leading up to Christmas morning, you know what I mean. 46 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: Oh, totally yeah, And through the summer, the long summer, 47 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: you're just counting down the days to finally bet on NFL. 48 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: I did. I Actually I hit a couple of parlays 49 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: betting the NFL preseason, so I'm already ahead of the game, 50 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: which is pretty rare. Normally I don't do that much 51 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: NFL preseason, but I dabbed a little bit, hit a 52 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: couple and yeah, I'm already I'm starting out ahead, which 53 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: is a nice place to start. 54 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: That's always great. You know, we were thinking about doing 55 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: a couple of preseason episodes to address, you know, betting 56 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: on some of the preseason games, so we just did 57 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: not have enough time. But that's good because now I 58 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: know I can book you for next season and you 59 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: can be the preseason betting experts since you're clearly one 60 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: of the top minds in the game when. 61 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: It comes to well, spoiler alert, just keep betting on 62 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: the Ravens. For some reason, they keep winning every Harboll's 63 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: won seventeen preseason games in a row or something. Insane. 64 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 2: So there you go. That's a little nugget for next season. 65 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: You can do absolutely nothing else on this podcast, and 66 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: you have already provided tons of value to the listeners. 67 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: So congratu. Like you're betting you're already off to a 68 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: great start. So all right, Look, it's opening week. Things 69 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: are a little different than usual here in that there 70 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: really isn't all that much recent news for sportsbooks to 71 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: react to at this point. For example, on any given week, 72 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: there are going to be injuries or developments on that 73 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: previous Sunday. But here, other than things like whether Cam 74 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: Newton is gonna play and he probably will, or whether 75 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon is going to report and he probably won't, 76 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: there's not much that's going to make a difference. So 77 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: Shawn and I are going to quickly hit all the 78 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: lines here. But as I said earlier, we're not going 79 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: to be giving picks on this show. This is really 80 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: about going through the lines and giving you our reaction 81 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: to them. So Sewan, look, you host plenty of shows, 82 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: as I listed, but this is my show, and it 83 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: is a no nonsense show, and I make the rules, 84 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: so we are going to go through them in the 85 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: order of least interesting to most interesting based on my 86 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: unofficial boring rankings. 87 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: Okay, i'd like, yeah, I like this. I want to, 88 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: I want to. I'm interested to see where you're gonna 89 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: start off as the Borinus game of the NFL Week one. 90 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look, there's like an eight way tie, 91 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna I'm gonna just pick one of them 92 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: and go with it. Now, for the spreads and the 93 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: over unders, we're gonna be using the bettingpros dot Com 94 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: consensus numbers. That is an aggregation of the odds that 95 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: are available on the market. And you're gonna hear me 96 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: say this a lot over the course of these shows, 97 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: but there are occasionally pretty significant differences in the odds 98 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: that are available in the market. For example, with the 99 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: Cults and the Chargers, you'll see that you can get 100 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: a full point difference in the spread depending on where 101 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 1: you look. For the Bengals and the Seahawks, there's actually 102 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: a point and a half difference between two of the sportsbooks. 103 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: And again, we're gonna be using the bettingpros dot Com 104 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: consensus odds because that best represents what the market is showing. 105 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: But bettingpros dot Com will also let you see all 106 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: the odds that are available at various sportsbooks. So it 107 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: is a good thing to check out if you're looking 108 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: to maximize your return on your investment. And as we'll 109 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: talk about more next show, you can do a ton 110 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: more over at bettingpros dot com, like at consensus picks 111 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: from experts, and you can see accuracy rankings. But for now, 112 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 1: just know that when I list any given odds, they're 113 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: bettingpros dot Com consensus ods. So, Sean, let's start with 114 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: a game that few people outside of gamblers and fantasy 115 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: players are gonna watch, and that's gonna be the final 116 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: game of the week, The Broncos at the Raiders Super 117 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: late for me on the East Coast on Monday night, 118 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: just getting started for you on the West coast. The 119 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: Raiders here are laying half a point and the over 120 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: under is at forty three. Now, when the lines first 121 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: came out months ago, that's where the overunder was forty three. 122 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: It has not moved, but the line actually opened at 123 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: the Raiders laying two and a half points, so it 124 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: has dropped two full points. What is your reaction to 125 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: this line, if. 126 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: Any Well, yeah, I mean, uh yeah, see that's right. 127 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, uh whatever, Right, that's exactly right. It's just it's 128 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: the most boring. It's not the one on the list 129 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: of boring lines. 130 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 2: I think the it's interesting. I'm surprised it wouldn't be 131 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: a little higher for the Raiders. The public seems to 132 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 2: be somewhat high on the Raiders, and they usually the 133 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: hard knocks team will usually get a little bit of 134 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 2: a push. I think there's been a crazy trend of 135 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: the visiting team going six to zero or something like 136 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: that in this division matchup. But yeah, to me, the 137 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: matchup here is Vic Fangio versus John grud as far 138 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 2: as coaching, So that's what I'm really looking forward to. 139 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we're gonna be watching it because we're 140 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: gonna be watching every football game. But I mean, when 141 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: I see this line, it looks relatively where it needs 142 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 1: to be. There's nothing too exciting here. There's no real developments. 143 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown is going to play, he was always going 144 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: to play. It's essentially a pickham game. Now it's a 145 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: low over under total and that makes sense to me. 146 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: But really, Raiders laying half a point relatively a pick them. 147 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: I think they'll hold that half a point, and I 148 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: think the over under is going to wind up at 149 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: forty three. So again, nothing really exciting here. It's not 150 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: a game that anybody except gamblers and fantasy players really 151 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: want to watch. So let's move on to number two 152 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: in the boring rankings, and that's the Falcons at the Vikings. 153 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: The Vikings here are laying three and a half points. 154 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: The over under is at forty seven. Now again, the 155 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: spread opened at the Vikings laying four and a half 156 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: and a forty seven and a half total, So the 157 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: spread has moved in favor of the Falcons just a 158 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: little bit since it first opened months ago. Do you 159 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: have any thoughts when looking at those numbers? 160 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's kind of where I expected. I 161 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if this number closes closer to three. 162 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: I think these teams are pretty evenly matched, both Dome teams. 163 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: It's interesting to me that they're you know, the betting 164 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 2: public has got it so that the Vikings are laying 165 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: that extra half point. You know, normally you're saying home 166 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: Field's worth three, they're giving them three and a half. 167 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: Maybe they're just factoring in. I know Minnesota has a 168 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: pretty good home field advantage usually that really helps their defense, 169 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: but again, the Falcons are a dome team, so I 170 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: don't know if the noise and that kind of stuff 171 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: affects them as much as your typical road team. 172 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: That's right. The surprising thing to me was honestly that 173 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: it opened at four and a half, because to me, 174 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: this does feel everything about it kind of feels like 175 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: if they're on a neutral field, it's a pick them right, 176 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: which would make it essentially three. So at three and 177 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: a half, I think it's fine. I could see it 178 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: moving to three, as you said, But in the end, 179 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: my guess is this is not something where I think 180 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: better as sharps or the public are really going to 181 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: push one way or another. The over under at forty 182 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: seven is right around I think where it needs to be. 183 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: Both teams have relatively strong defenses. The Vikings certainly have 184 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: a strong one, so it's kind of high when you 185 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: think about it in that sense, but again, both teams 186 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: are basically capable of bearing it out at any given moment. 187 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh sorry, I was just going to say the Vikings. 188 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: There's been a couple offensive coordinators teams that have kind 189 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: of signaled their intention as far as what they're going 190 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: to do on offense, and the Vikings have kind of 191 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 2: gone out of their way to say they're going to 192 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: pound the rock more and run the ball more. I mean, 193 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: they do have two really good receivers, but that's something 194 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 2: that I would keep an eye on because listen, if 195 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: you're running the ball more, it could have an impact 196 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: on the total. 197 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. In the end, my guess is Vikings 198 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: three and a half at most. You're gonna see Vikings 199 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: go to plus three minus three at this point, and 200 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that the over ender is going to 201 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: stay right at about forty seven. If or no of 202 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: the reason. Then again, both teams have kind of telegraphed 203 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: what they do, especially the Vikings. Next on our list 204 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: is forty nine ers at Bucks. The Bucks are laying 205 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: one and the over under is at fifty. This opened 206 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: at the Bucks laying two and a forty nine total, 207 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: so it has moved slightly. Look, you must be super 208 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: excited about this line, right, This has just got strong 209 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: reaction written all over it. 210 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 2: Oh. I mean not to tip my hand, but I've 211 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 2: been super high. If you listen to our division previews, 212 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 2: super high on the Tampa Bay Bucks and really down 213 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: on the forty nine ers. Jimmy Garoppolo has just not 214 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 2: looked great in preseason at all, in practice at all. 215 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: And it's one of those old betting trends of a 216 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 2: West Coast team go to an East Coast team or 217 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: you know, going to the East Coast. And another trend 218 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 2: worth looking at is these Florida teams at home in September. 219 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 2: If you saw last year, I think I think all 220 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 2: three Florida teams went three and zero to start off 221 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: the season. And with the way that they've kind of 222 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 2: adjusted in the collective bargaining that they can't practice these 223 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: guys as hard, humidity and heat early increases the home 224 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 2: field advantage. So that's definitely something I factor into my 225 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: handicapping is high elevation teams and Florida teams are where 226 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 2: it's going to be super hot or humid, especially early 227 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: in the season. 228 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: So out of curiosity, if you were going to predict 229 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: a line, if you didn't know what it was, would 230 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: you have thought that the Bucks were then laying two 231 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: or three or something like that. 232 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: Well, I guess I think it should be Bucks, mindus three. However, 233 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 2: I know the forty nine ers the public is kind 234 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: of on them, so I'm not surprised that they've kind 235 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: of made it a pick because the forty nine Ers, 236 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: the consensus I think from the public is, oh, they 237 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 2: have a really good team, sh had hands, a really 238 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: good coach. All they got to Jimmy G was hurt 239 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: last year. That's why they were bad. Just swap him in. 240 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: Now that he's healthy, they'll be fine. One I don't 241 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: think Jimmy G is completely healthy or completely right. He 242 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: also struggled in those three games before he blew out 243 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 2: his ACL and Nick Mullins didn't do a horrible job 244 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,959 Speaker 2: for that forty nine ers team. Like, there's a lot 245 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 2: more issues going on in San Francisco than just Jimmy 246 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 2: G not being there. 247 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: All right, So let me ask you this, then, what 248 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 1: about the total at fifty that's a fairly high total. 249 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: It's not you know, I think it's probably fourth maybe 250 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: fifth highest for the week, but fifties a fairly high total. 251 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: I know the Bucks have what may be an explosive offense, 252 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: especially with Bruce arians running the ship, But do you feel, 253 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, if the forty nine ers, you know, you 254 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: sound of course down on that offense? Did you expect 255 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 1: the total then to maybe be a little lower. Is 256 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: it more a question about the Bucks defense? 257 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the Bucks could still have issues on defense. 258 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 2: You're right, fifty for an opening day is kind of high. 259 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: That's really what what came out to me. I mean, 260 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: I know it opened at forty nine. If anything, I 261 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: kind of expected it to go down to forty eight 262 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: and a half, especially, you know, given how hot it's 263 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: going to be, which you mentioned assuming because it's in Florida. 264 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: You know, I just feel like in the end, you know, 265 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: guys are going to be you know, they're not going 266 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: to be ready to go yet. You know, it's the 267 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: week one. I thought because of the question marks on 268 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: offense with the forty nine ers, which are right. Everything 269 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: you're saying about Garoppolo is right. And you know, the Bucks, 270 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: although they're pretty explosive, you know, the Winston was sacked 271 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: five times in that third preseason game. You know, the 272 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: running game can't do anything. I'm not sure they're going 273 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: to be able to score it well. So for me, 274 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: the thing that stuck out to me was less about 275 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: the spread Bucks laying one. I'm fine, I could see 276 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: it anywhere from the Bucks laying one two, as you said, 277 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: the Bucks laying three I think would be fine. But 278 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: the over under at fifty, I really felt like when 279 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: I was predicting it that that was sort of it 280 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: would have been about a point and a half lower 281 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: somewhere around there. 282 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you look at some of the the 283 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: other games Tampa Bay hosted in September last year, and 284 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: they did score in the high forties. Eagles they beat 285 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: twenty seven to twenty one, so that's forty eight, and 286 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: Steelers they lost twenty seven to thirty. So I guess 287 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: that's kind of what they're that high total on. But 288 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 2: I'm worried about I'm worried about San Francisco's ability to 289 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: score on the road. 290 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess you know, one thing to 291 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: take away from this is that the preseason probably doesn't 292 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: move the needle very much from the opening lines, right, 293 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: because that you know that the forty nine ers, as 294 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: you said, look terrible. Garoppolo other than Week three where 295 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 1: he looked passable, you know, not great, but certainly did 296 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: not shine in the preseason, But the it didn't move 297 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: much that the line moved in favor of the forty 298 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: nine ers. Actually so yeah, yeah. 299 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 2: And I don't think you know, the betting public, I 300 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 2: think is since so few of starters are playing now, 301 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 2: I think it's impacting even less and less as far 302 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: as what they do to adjust the number based off 303 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 2: what happens in preseason. 304 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: Yep, I think that makes sense. All right, Let's move 305 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: to the Titans at the Browns. The Browns here are 306 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: laying five and a half points. The over under is 307 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: that forty five and a half, and this has really 308 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: barely moved since it opened. It opened at the Browns 309 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: laying five with a forty five point total, so a 310 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: half a point movement in both of those lines. Any 311 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,559 Speaker 1: reaction to those numbers, Yeah, I. 312 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 2: Would say that that kind of makes sense. Again, you know, 313 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: when they're setting these lines, they're looking to get even 314 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: money on both sides. And I know the Browns are 315 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 2: just have been a huge public team. They just are 316 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: like they're the kind of the darling as far as 317 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: Super Bowl picks. 318 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: Or you know, and Mayfield is MVP. The public's all 319 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: over them. 320 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 2: The public's all over them. No one's hyping up Tennessee. 321 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 2: And so you know, there's probably a point point and 322 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: a half baked into that line. Listen, Tennessee, they were 323 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 2: what nine and seven last year? Brown seven, eight and one. 324 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 2: Brown's kind of had a thing last year where they 325 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: stuck up on people. Now they've they've cho you know, 326 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: they painted a giant target on their chest. And if 327 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: you're looking to find value long term and betting, fading 328 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: the public. 329 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 1: Is always the thing to do, correct always. 330 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, one in doubt, just go against the betting public. 331 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 2: They didn't build these million dollars sports and casinos by 332 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: being on the wrong side historically. So if you see 333 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 2: a team that's getting a ton of early hype, the 334 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: public's clearly backing them, you know, be hesitant on taking them, 335 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: or just know that if you are going to take them, 336 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: you're probably you know, paying an extra point point and 337 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: a half premium to bet that team. So all that 338 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 2: stuff's kind of worth factoring in. 339 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I expected this spread is fine. You know, I 340 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: have no problem with five and a half. I would 341 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: have felt that it probably should have been in around 342 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: five where it opened. But the over under strikes me 343 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: as a little high. I mean, both these teams are 344 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: defensive teams. Again, it could just be sort of public perception. 345 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: As you said, they're trying to get you know, basically 346 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: even money on both sides. So it could be really 347 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: the public perception, but it seems to me, given the 348 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: strength of the two defenses, that would be more like 349 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: a forty four and a half, you know, instead of 350 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: it moving up moving down. My guess is that that's 351 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: based much more on the money coming in rather than 352 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: what they expect. 353 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I'm looking over at betting pros right now. 354 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: They have the consensus numbers and just as I thought, 355 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: Cleveland getting sixty nine percent at minus five and a half. 356 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 2: So anytime you get like high sixties, seventies, I mean, 357 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 2: anything that's up around eighty, then you really gotta like 358 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: just factor that into decide you're on. 359 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Let's move on now to the Redskins at the Eagles. 360 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: We've got the Eagles laying nine and a half and 361 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: the over under at forty five and a half. Now, 362 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: this is actually one of the more significant movers since 363 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: the totals first opened. The Eagles were originally laying eight 364 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 1: in most places, and the total was at forty six 365 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: and a half. Basically, it looks like there's just doubt 366 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: as to whether the Redskins can actually score any points, 367 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,119 Speaker 1: and I don't necessarily think that that doubt is unfounded. 368 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts there on the nine and a 369 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: half and the over under at forty five and a half. 370 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm a Dahard Eagles fan. 371 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: So can you be objective? 372 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: Yeah? 373 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: Can you be objective? I'm a Jets fan, man, So 374 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: I can still do this. I can still get up 375 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: in the morning. You just got to power through. 376 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: Any The NFCA is historically has been a super competitive 377 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 2: division and anytime a divisional game you're getting close to 378 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: double digits, I mean you gotta look to the dog. 379 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 2: The issue here is Washington's left tackle, one of the 380 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 2: strengths of their team, is just refusing to play because 381 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: of his issues with the medical staff. They're starting Eric Flowers, 382 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: a right guard who is a horrible offensive lineman, and 383 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 2: they're bringing in Case Keenum, who the last time in 384 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: Case Keenum was a quarterback for the Redskins. He got 385 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: destroyed in the NFC Championship game with a much more 386 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 2: talented Vikings team. So I think Washington is going to 387 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: have trouble moving the ball and scoring. 388 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: Wait, look, hold on, everything you were saying is dead on. 389 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: And because of that, How is it possible that this 390 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: isn't actually double digits. That's really what I'm surprised that. 391 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: I mean, legitimately, everything you're saying is absolutely correct. I mean, look, 392 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: maybe not. I'm going to be so prize that if 393 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: this does not get to ten by the time game 394 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: time rolls around, because there's got to be money coming in. 395 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: This seems to me. I was shocked, honestly when I 396 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: sort of closed my eyes and said, okay, let me 397 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: think before I started even looking at any of this, 398 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,239 Speaker 1: what this would be at this point, given everything that 399 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: you just correctly brought out, I would think that it's 400 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: honestly got to move a little to I'm fine with 401 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: the over under. I'm fine with that, but I would 402 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: think would go over. But it's worth noting I mentioned 403 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: that you can sometimes get different odds at different sports books. 404 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: This is at nine and a half across the board. 405 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: Everybody is in unison, so I must be missing something here. 406 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: But to me, I honestly think that this should be 407 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: at ten, maybe even ten and a half, probably ten, 408 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 1: and that I think it might end up there when 409 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: all of a sudden done. 410 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I don't know if you on the 411 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: podcast if you discuss key numbers a lot, but for 412 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: you know, in the NFL, key number three, four, seven, 413 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 2: in a weird way, nine is oftentimes a key number 414 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 2: for the sportsbook. So if the spreads at seven and 415 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 2: a half a lot of times and gonna move it 416 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 2: up a lot of times, they'll jump it up to 417 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 2: nine to kind of they call it teaser protection, right, 418 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: So if you're doing a six point teaser, they don't 419 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 2: want you to be able to get the game down 420 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 2: to three or you know, under three, and you're getting 421 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: under that key number of three. So that's why, you know, 422 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 2: once it was at seven and a half eight, and 423 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: then they saw it was gonna go up, they jumped 424 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: it up to like nine and a half. So if 425 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: you tease it down, it only goes down to three 426 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: and a half. 427 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I do get that. I completely get that. Still, 428 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: this line needs to move to ten. And I'm going, 429 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: all right, let's go to the only line in any 430 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: normal regular sports fan should ever care about the only 431 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: game bills of Jets. Of course, the Jets here are 432 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: laying three. The over under is set at forty. Now 433 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: this open up. The Jets lank three and a half 434 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 1: with a minuscool thirty eight and a half point total, 435 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: but it has moved just a little bit up. Any 436 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 1: thoughts on those lines, No. 437 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: I mean, if you give me a blindfold and told 438 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 2: me to pick the spread, I would definitely would have 439 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: guessed three. Yep, very very similar, similar teams, similar states 440 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,880 Speaker 2: of where they're at. The Bills defensive minded team, Sean 441 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 2: McDermott really coached up the defense well, and then you 442 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 2: got just a real wild card of quarterback Josh Allen, 443 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 2: who's made some plays, have made some crazy turnovers. And 444 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 2: then you got the Jets, who they got some weapons 445 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 2: for Sam Darnold. I do think Donald will have a 446 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: much better second year under Adam Gase and just helping 447 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 2: him out with Le'Veon Bell. There's certainly some questions Jets defense. 448 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, I three totally makes sense, and I think 449 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 2: this is a good a good barometer game for both 450 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,719 Speaker 2: these teams. I think you'll get a kind of idea 451 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: of where these teams are at. As far as who's 452 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: gonna be runner up to the Patriots, No offense. 453 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: I'm none taken. I mean to even be in the 454 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: conversation of being a quote unquote runner up I will 455 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: take any day of the week. Two questions. Robbie Anderson 456 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: is likely to play in this game if he misses 457 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: the game. I mean that's the last I heard. He 458 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: was questionable for the week. If Anderson missed the game, 459 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: do you think that moves the spread at all? 460 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 2: No? No, I mean I would be pretty surprised if 461 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: you're if you're a non quarterback, you have to be 462 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: really like top tier to have an impact on the 463 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 2: on the spread. Usually it could be maybe Robbie Anderson 464 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: goes out and a lot of people at him on 465 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: their fantasy team and all of a sudden they're they're 466 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 2: pounding the bills. But generally the linemakers won't really adjust 467 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: their number off a guy. It has to be a 468 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 2: pretty big name running back or receiver for to really 469 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: make an impact to me when I'm when I'm looking 470 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 2: at games, left tackle is a huge one, and offensive 471 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 2: line in general, and this is again a nice way 472 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,719 Speaker 2: to find values. A lot of times, you know, jo 473 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: Q Public when on offensive lineman like Trent Williams for 474 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 2: the Redskins, or or Laramie Tunsell, who the Dolphins just 475 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: traded away. A lot of times when stuff like that happens. 476 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 2: The public, in their mind, doesn't compensate enough for that, 477 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: and they'll compensate more for a guy like Robbie Anderson, 478 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: who they'll probably be able to still have some offensive 479 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 2: production without, but not having a left tackle, especially with 480 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 2: a guy like Sam Dartled. If the left tackle was 481 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 2: supposed to go out, that would definitely adjust my number, 482 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: and maybe not for the public. 483 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna talk about the left tackles, actually, because 484 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: when we get to the Texans, we'll talk about the 485 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: fact that hasn't really moved very much, and I thought 486 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: that the addition of Tunsel actually might move that line 487 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: a little more. I said two questions, but I'm going 488 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: to skip the second one because frankly, we just can't 489 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: spend too much time on the pills and the Jets. 490 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: Let's be honest. Let's move on to another not all 491 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: that exciting game, the Lions at the Cardinals. The Lions 492 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: are laying two and a half here. The over under 493 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: is at forty seven and a half. This originally opened 494 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: as a pickum game and the over under was at 495 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: forty nine, so the over under has been steadily dropping. 496 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: It was forty eight just a day or two ago. 497 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: Now it's at forty seven and a half. How do 498 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: you feel about both those lines? 499 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Detroit as a road favorite is historically 500 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 2: kind of scary. Yeah, but again, that's what Matt Stafford does. 501 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: Matt Stafford beats bad teams. And I think the line 502 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 2: movement came courtesy of watching Kyler Murray play in the preseason. 503 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 2: So this is a game where I do think watching 504 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 2: the players in preseason did rightly adjust the line movement. 505 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: Huge questions on the Cardinals on the defensive side of 506 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: the ball, and just Kyler Murray in general, rookie quarterback 507 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 2: making his first home start. I guess it kind of 508 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 2: makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised if this gets above 509 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: three at kickoff. I wouldn't be shocked to see Cardinals 510 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 2: plus three and a half because they're just Yeah, it's 511 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: Cliff Kingsbury's first start in the NFL, A guy who 512 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 2: wasn't competent enough to coach coach college football and then 513 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 2: somehow got a promotion into the National Football League. A 514 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: lot of questions and I'm not even them, not even 515 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 2: a huge Lions backers. There certainly questions about Matt Patrician 516 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 2: and the stuff they're doing. 517 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: I think for me, the bigger number here was the 518 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: over under. Yeah, forty seven and a half. I you know, 519 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: I understand the questions on defense, especially for the Cardinals, 520 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: but you know, it struck me as too high, and 521 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that it moved and that it was, 522 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: you know, originally forty nine, recently forty eight. Now at 523 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: forty seven and a half. I could see it even 524 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: going to forty seven. I think that, you know, it 525 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: just it seems given what we saw for exactly what 526 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: you said, given what we saw from the Cardinals offense 527 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: in the preseason, and it might be different. I mean, 528 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, Kingsbury said that he was keeping at vanilla, 529 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: so you never really know how it's going to go. 530 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: But to me, the total seemed to be a little high. Again, 531 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: that's right about you know where you know, not not crazy, 532 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: but I would have thought it more like forty seven, 533 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: maybe forty six and a half. 534 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I do think that's reaction to seeing the 535 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals offense in preseason. Yeah, even if they're doing 536 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 2: a vanilla scheme, there's still some basic execution stuff that 537 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 2: he was clearly struggling with. So I think originally when 538 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 2: they hung a forty nine, their thought was, Wow, they're 539 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 2: gonna move the ball on offense with struggle and defense, 540 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 2: and now they become less certain about them moving the ball. 541 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: No, absolutely, And again I check the lines every day 542 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: just to see where it was, and again it was 543 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: forty eight either yesterday or maybe two days ago, and 544 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: it's down to forty seven and a half. So I 545 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't be completely surprised to see if drop half a 546 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: point further, as probably more money comes in, We're gonna 547 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: get into some of the more interesting lines here in 548 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: a second, including the Chiefs that the Jaguars and the 549 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: Patriots and the Steelers. But first I do want to 550 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: tell everyone about the sponsor of our show, play MGM. 551 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: We're talking about Week one lines, So if you're listening 552 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: to this podcast, you're probably thinking about placing a bet 553 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: on one of those Week one lines. 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Then 579 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: the Chiefs actually opened at minus five with a fifty 580 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 1: two and a half over under. So what are your 581 00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: thoughts there on those? 582 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean lots of unpack here because you got 583 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 2: Andy Reid, who historically has done pretty well on opening day, 584 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 2: and he's going up against a quarterback that he knows 585 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 2: with Nick Foles. They just saidden Mishawe McCoy. It's interesting. 586 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 2: So you said it open at five and now it's 587 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 2: three and a half. 588 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and again these are months ago when 589 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: it first up, but when it first came out. Yeah, 590 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: was that minus five when it first came on the board. 591 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. I mean that's interesting too, because yeah, 592 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 2: I would think it could even be you could probably 593 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 2: get away making it a little higher. So the fact 594 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 2: that it's three and a half, even though you're talking 595 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 2: road favorite, you know, it's the travel isn't as bad 596 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 2: Week one because they're not coming off another game. 597 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it might be some of it. Of course, 598 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: they struggled a little bit against the Jaguars last year. 599 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: You know that was Mahomes's worst game as a pro. 600 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: I mean part of it could be that. For me, 601 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: it's the total be over under at fifty two. I 602 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: mean I get it. 603 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: The Chiefs, you. 604 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: Never know they can, you know, put up a four 605 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: spot with ease, but it's the second highest total of 606 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: the week. It felt me more like a like a 607 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: fifty one or fifty one and a half, just because 608 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, the Jaguars have a strong defense. The Chiefs 609 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 1: have improved someone on defense. You know, the Jaguars are home, 610 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: it's gonna it strikes me as a close game. I 611 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: just you know, I thought that the over under struck 612 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: me as a little high. 613 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Chiefs have brought in new guys on defense. 614 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 2: You know, you got Tyron Matthew, the Honey Badger, you 615 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 2: got Frank Clark helping out with the pass rush. And 616 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,639 Speaker 2: the Jaguars have seemingly again they're they're making it clear 617 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 2: that they're going to try and get Fournette back to 618 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: back to form, and I think they'll be running the 619 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 2: ball more, doing some rpo stuff, which is I think 620 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: the Jaguars formula for victory in this game and in 621 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 2: general is ball control and good defense. And that's usually 622 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: something that would shade the under rather than the over. 623 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: Right. That that's really what struck out to me. I mean, again, 624 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: not not crazy, but it struck me as fifty two 625 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 1: seems a little high given what I think the game 626 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: is likely to unfold as All right, let's move to 627 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: the Packers at the Bears. The Bears here are laying 628 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: three points. The over under is at forty six and 629 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: a half. Now, this has not moved from when this 630 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: first came out months ago. It opened up with the 631 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: Bears laying three and a half and the over under 632 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: at forty six, So very very minimal movement here. What 633 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: are your thoughts? 634 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this again probably makes sense as far 635 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 2: as the spread. You know Division games early on, it 636 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 2: makes sense to be three and a half the total. 637 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 2: The total again, yeah, forty six and a half. You're 638 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: dealing with a couple new variables with this Packers offense. Again, 639 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 2: they they seemingly haven't shown much with the floor. The 640 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: dynamic between Rogers and Lafleur is interesting, and the Bears 641 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: don't have vic fans here anymore. So I think I 642 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,239 Speaker 2: think there's a chance, especially Packers first half. I think 643 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: the Packers are really going to have a chance to 644 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: put up some points just because you know they're gonna 645 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: come in with that Lafleur offense. That there's no tape on, 646 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 2: and instead of going up against Vic Fangio, they're going 647 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 2: up against Chuck Pagano, which is definitely a step down 648 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 2: in my mind as far as the coordinator. 649 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, without question. But you know, the other on the 650 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: other side of the coin, the Packers defense is greatly 651 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: improved too, right. I mean they added a lot of 652 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: pieces there last year when they played twice when the 653 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: Bears were at home, the Bears won twenty four to seventeen. 654 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: So you know, for me again, you know, I feel 655 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: like I've been talking much more about the over unders 656 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: generally with these things. But again, I kind of expected 657 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: the over under to be more like forty five and 658 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: a half or somewhere like that because but you raise 659 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: a good point with Fangio. So it's possible the Bears 660 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: defense takes a little step back here and we don't 661 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: know exactly what the Packers' offense is going to look for. Yeah, 662 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: so I think it's fair to me, you know, when 663 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: it stuck out, this is where it's going to end up. 664 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: By the way, I mean, the Bears are going to 665 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: be laying at game time. The Bears are going to 666 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: be laying three, and the over under is going to 667 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: be at forty six and a half. I can almost 668 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: guarantee you which is fine, and it's around there, but 669 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: I kind of thought it might be more at forty 670 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: five and a half forty. 671 00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: Six I could. I see where you're come up with that. 672 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's move on to the Ravens at 673 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: the Dolphins. Now the Ravens are laying seven and the 674 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: over under is at a ridiculously low thirty seven and 675 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: a half. Now, this opened up with a thirty seven 676 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: over under, but the Ravens were actually laying three and 677 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: a half when this first opened up. And I look 678 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: the other day and the Ravens were laying six and 679 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: a half. It has now moved to seven. There are 680 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: a ton of changes recently for the Dolphins. So what 681 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: are your thoughts? Do you think that this is a 682 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: where the lines are going to end up at seven 683 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: and thirty seven and a half or what? 684 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think what will happen is it'll 685 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,600 Speaker 2: it'll stay at seven just because the anti dolphin sentiment 686 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: from the betting public is so strong. I think it 687 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: could even go up to if it goes anywhere, I 688 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 2: think it could go to seven and a half. 689 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: One hundred. That's where I think it ends up. Seven 690 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: and a half. 691 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I see it closing. Ass I'd really 692 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 2: be shocked if the underclose, if the total closes this low. 693 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 2: But again that's just based on the anti Dolphin sentiment. 694 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: And yeah, so the trends or stuff I'm looking at 695 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 2: when I'm handicapping this game home Dogs, historically, there's a 696 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: bunch of value there. Again, the Dolphins were one of 697 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: those Florida home teams, so that's something I'm factoring in 698 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson on the road. But the Dolphins they just 699 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 2: got rid of their left tackle, So that's that's the 700 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 2: other side. That's the other side of the handicap. And 701 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 2: you know, Fitsmagic, who from what I've read, is going 702 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 2: to be starting. He's he's a guy, he's a guy 703 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 2: that you can tell him you're taking. But this guy, 704 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 2: especially early on or a couple of games, he's going 705 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 2: to be scrappy. The problem is this, This Ravens defense 706 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 2: is really strong. Earl Thomas seems to be kind of 707 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 2: in fu mode. I mean literally, the last time he 708 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 2: was on the field, he's being carted off, giving Pete 709 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 2: Carroll the finger. So he seems highly motivated. Those are 710 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 2: kind of the things I'm looking to handicap. But as 711 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 2: far as where I think it'll close, I didn't think 712 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 2: the under or sorry the total, the line will close 713 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 2: higher to seven and a half. And I think if 714 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: you're gonna bet the over, bet it now, because I 715 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 2: do think it'll go up a couple points. 716 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fine. I think the over under, 717 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: I think it'll say roughly around where it is. I 718 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: mean again, if it goes anywhere, maybe have a point. 719 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: But I agree I will be shocked if this ends 720 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: at the Ravens laying seven. At this point, I mean, 721 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: I think it's got to go up. For all the 722 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: reasons you talked about. It's just really difficult to see 723 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: how the Dolphins are going to be able to put 724 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: up any points whatsoever in this game. Steelers at the Patriots. 725 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: Pats are laying five and a half. The over under 726 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: is at fifty and a half. This opened at the 727 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: Pats laying six and the over under at fifty one 728 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: and a half, so they're not too much movement here. 729 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this one? 730 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 2: Let's see. Yeah, it's interesting the Patriots are they're one 731 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 2: of the teams. You said the Pats, right, Yes, the Pats. Yes, Okay, yeah, 732 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 2: they're one of these teams that I mean, hey, they're 733 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 2: the Patriots. They're amazing. But when they have struggled, it 734 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 2: has been early on, right, you know, September is in 735 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 2: the rough Mont, the Steelers playing against the Patriots. That's 736 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 2: always their super Bowl. That's the game they get up for. 737 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 2: When I'm betting, I usually look at what will happen 738 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 2: the Steelers a lot of time the game before they 739 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: play the Patriots. They often overlook that game because they're 740 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 2: so jacked up for the Patriots. The fact that they're 741 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 2: playing the Patriots the first game that I think actually. 742 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 3: Is a huge benefit for the Patriots or sorry for 743 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,919 Speaker 3: the Steelers, because they get so jacked up to play 744 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 3: the Patriots they can't overlook another team and they've you know, 745 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 3: just basically spent the whole offseason with the Patriots on 746 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 3: their calendar. 747 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 2: There. Yeah. Other than that, I guess the number seems 748 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 2: about rights. I don't know. It'll be interesting to see 749 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 2: if there's any kind of crazy action one way or 750 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 2: the other, because it is Sunday night, so there could 751 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 2: be some line movement as far as people looking to 752 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 2: catch up from what happened during the day. But and 753 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 2: let's see the total. Yeah again probably well, no, fifteen 754 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 2: and a half seems in the ballpark, Steelers have been 755 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 2: able to show that they can just put up points. 756 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 2: The real thing that's interesting is Ben Roethlisberger on the road. 757 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 2: He's had some Sure, he's had some wildly poor performances, 758 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 2: but then also he's thrown for five thousand yards, so 759 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 2: he's kind of been a wild card on the road. 760 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: Patriots at home and in Foxborough are just, you know, 761 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 2: machines when it comes to winning games and covering spreads. 762 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 2: So I wouldn't be surprised it's five and a half, 763 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 2: maybe it gets up to six. Stuff usually doesn't close 764 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 2: a five and a half, so I wouldn't be surprised 765 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 2: if he gets the six. It's definitely not going to 766 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 2: get up to a full touchdown, and I don't see 767 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 2: it getting down to four. 768 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. My reaction essentially is a giant shrug emoji. I honestly, 769 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: you know, these teams, they play each other hard. It's 770 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 1: weird because it's the first game of the season. As 771 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: you said, there's always build up to it. It did 772 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: strike me as roughly fifty, roughly five and a half, 773 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: roughly six. I bet you that's probably where it stays. 774 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, we don't really know 775 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: what these teams are going to look like. I do think, 776 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: you know, the Patriots have a better defense, I think, 777 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: than they've had in a couple of seasons. So I'm 778 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 1: interested to see, you know, whether that total, if anything, 779 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: maybe drops half a point. But in the end, I 780 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: think it's really tough to gauge. 781 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 2: And primetime games where there's gonna be more public action, 782 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 2: especially teams like the Patriots and the Steelers too. I mean, listen, 783 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 2: there's a reason it's on Sunday night NBC is two 784 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 2: huge fan bases that will really helped the ratings and 785 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 2: drive a lot of action. And you know, when the 786 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 2: public gets involved, they're gonna want to take the over Simply, 787 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,879 Speaker 2: it's simple, simple brain mechanics. It's not fun to root 788 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,959 Speaker 2: for the under. You know, everyone's probably got a bunch 789 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 2: of their fantasy players, so they're rooting for scoring in action, 790 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 2: so you know, they're probably gonna be people hitting the 791 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 2: over all. 792 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: Right, let's move here to what I will call the 793 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: uncertainty zone. Okay, there's a lot of moving parts that 794 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: could have affected the lines, and I want to explore 795 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: that a bit. And let's start with the Bengal at 796 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: the Seahawks. The Seahawks here are laying nine points. The 797 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: over under is set at forty four, and this originally 798 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: opened at the Seahawks lank seven and a half points 799 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: with a forty three and a half over under. So 800 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,680 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on this game? 801 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that open at seven and a half 802 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 2: was probably pre aj Green injury. But I do think 803 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 2: a lot of this is, you know, the Clowny news, 804 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 2: so possibly it's a it could be a little bit 805 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 2: of an overreaction, but again, going from seven and a 806 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 2: half to nine is usually just them kind of protecting 807 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 2: themselves for teasers. And you got this Bengals team. It's 808 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 2: a non conference road game in Seattle. Seattle again, super 809 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 2: tough place to play, pretty solid home field, I mean 810 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 2: it used to be amazing. It's cooled off as of late, 811 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 2: so I wouldn't be surprised if this gets a little higher. 812 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,280 Speaker 2: People talk to themselves into the Seahawks and Jadevian Clowney, 813 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 2: you know, going to town on Andy Dalton and the 814 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 2: fact that the Bengals don't and have Aj Green. I'm 815 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 2: really high on Joe Mixon as a running back this year, 816 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 2: so I think if they can run the ball, maybe 817 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 2: they'll maybe they'll stay in this game. Forty four sounds 818 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 2: about right. 819 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:13,479 Speaker 1: YEP. 820 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,280 Speaker 2: I don't think there's gonna be a much crazy shift 821 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,920 Speaker 2: as far as the total, but yeah, it seems to 822 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 2: make sense. 823 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: I think the total probably stays where it is. I 824 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: could see it moving to nine and a half just 825 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: because there's some positive news coming out of Seattle. Sounds 826 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: like DK Metcalf might actually play, and they re signed 827 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: Jaron Brown, and I think Cody Glenn is in the 828 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: concussion protocol so he may not play for the Bengals. 829 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot of factors here that 830 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 1: could certainly move the line a little bit more towards 831 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: the Seahawks. So I think probably when all of a 832 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: sudden done, it ends up at nine and a half. 833 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: But I agree with you, I think forty four probably 834 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: sounds like the right number. Let's move on now to 835 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: the Giants at the Cowboys. The Cowboys are laying seven 836 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: points in the over unders at forty five and a half. 837 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: It opened pretty close to that Cowboys minus seven and 838 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: a half. When it first came over, the over under 839 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: was at forty six and a half. Now, we've got 840 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 1: a lot of uncertainty here right as we record, there's 841 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,880 Speaker 1: not quite as much optimism, or now there might be more. 842 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: It's changing by the minute as to whether Zeke signs, 843 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: But even if he signs before week one, it's unclear 844 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: what his workload is going to be. Amari Cooper is 845 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 1: still a little bit of a question mark. So what 846 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: are your thoughts here on the Cowboys laying seven and 847 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,720 Speaker 1: the over under at forty five and a half. 848 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess this is kind of earlier 849 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 2: we had talked about Robbie Anderson and would he possibly 850 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 2: move the line, and you look at Zeke Elliott and 851 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 2: I mean maybe he moved at half a point, because 852 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,160 Speaker 2: I would be surprised he plays or at least plays 853 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,879 Speaker 2: his normal load at this point, you know, when we're 854 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 2: recording this. So even Zeke Elliott, who's you know, a 855 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 2: huge part of the Cowboys offense, he only maybe moved 856 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 2: it a half. You could certainly make a case for 857 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,399 Speaker 2: the fact that the Giants offensive line look better in preseason, 858 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 2: and you know slight optimism coming out of Giants camp. 859 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 2: There's also been a number of you know, the Giants, 860 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,919 Speaker 2: it's got a Golden Tate suspended. Certainly, Shepard broke his thumb, 861 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 2: although it seems like he's close to one hundred percent. 862 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 2: Their offensive line seems a little stronger. You know. The 863 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 2: interesting thing here is again division game. That's a big number. 864 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 2: But you know, the betting public is pretty down on 865 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 2: Eli Manning as a quarterback, and rightfully so. So that's 866 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 2: if that's who the Giants are going to try it 867 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,160 Speaker 2: out as a starter. I think plus seven makes sense. 868 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 2: It's certainly is not gonna go below seven. If it's 869 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 2: gonna go anywhere, it'll go up to seven and a half, 870 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,879 Speaker 2: maybe eight. You know, if Zeke plays, maybe they'll bump 871 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 2: it up to eight. But yeah, and the Mary Cooper thing, 872 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are talking about Zeke, 873 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 2: whether he plays or not, as we're doing here. But 874 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 2: I think if you if you look at the Cowboys offense, 875 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,560 Speaker 2: what really impacts him more has been a Mary Cooper 876 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 2: playing or not playing. At least if you look at 877 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 2: the numbers last year, he seemed to have a bigger impact. 878 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, on the offense. If you compare it to 879 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 2: when Zeke has missed time the previous year and Planner 880 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 2: fasciitis is a that's a red flag injury because a 881 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 2: lot of times what happens is a guy thinks he 882 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,439 Speaker 2: can play, or he does try and play, and he's 883 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 2: just he's like sixty percent or like they It's an 884 00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 2: injury where a lot of guys try and play through 885 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 2: it but are just very they're just have no bursts. 886 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 2: And that's what you could really get in trouble if 887 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 2: you're talking about handicapping the game or setting a fantasy lineup, 888 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 2: because yeah, they'll be listed as probable or questionable and 889 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 2: then you see they're out there and you're like, oh, 890 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 2: it must be all right. But that that's a tricky, 891 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 2: lingering injury and definitely something to keep an eye. 892 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and his history with it is not great. When 893 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: he's dealt with issues around that area, he has not 894 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 1: played all that well. So out of curiosity, if it 895 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 1: comes out that Cooper is going to miss the game, 896 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,919 Speaker 1: used to you don't think it drops the line below 897 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 1: seven though? 898 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 2: Right? No, that's the thing. I yeah, I don't think 899 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,880 Speaker 2: it'll move it a line, but I definitely think it 900 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 2: should impact how you see the game going because I 901 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 2: think if Zeke's out and Cooper's out, they're really gonna 902 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 2: be in trouble as far as skill positions and and 903 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 2: Cole Beasley was kind of his safety blanket. He doesn't 904 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:15,280 Speaker 2: have him there. 905 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: But the Cowboys got Jason Witten back, baby, Yeah, don't 906 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 1: worry about it. 907 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a Jerry Jones didn't want the Cowboys 908 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 2: brand being tarnished every Monday night by here and Jason 909 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 2: witting on the broadcast. 910 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right. It's not a bad move. I 911 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 1: like his strategy. 912 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,160 Speaker 2: Hey, you know, protect the brand. That really seems like 913 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 2: you just bailed him out. 914 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: But well, good for him. At least hopefully he can 915 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: at least contribute. 916 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 2: I wish my boss was as generous as Jerry Jones. 917 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: Well, I hope your boss isn't listening to this, all right? 918 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,879 Speaker 1: Rams at the Panthers rams laying three. The over under 919 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,880 Speaker 1: is at fifty. It started at the rams lank two 920 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: and a half and an over under fifty one. Not 921 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: too much movement here. We've got Cam Newton's injury. It 922 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: looks like he's going to be good to go. But 923 00:42:58,640 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts here? 924 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And again the line makes sense because it's 925 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,320 Speaker 2: a West Coast team going to the East Coast. People 926 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 2: have talked themselves into the Panthers once again. I'm really 927 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,479 Speaker 2: worried about Cam Newton. Like you watch Cam Newton before 928 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,319 Speaker 2: they shut him down last year. That shoulder, it just 929 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 2: doesn't look right, and he like completely had to redo 930 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 2: his throwing motion. And he listened to Ron Rivera and 931 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,320 Speaker 2: they're talking about how they're just gonna have to manage 932 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 2: him throughout the season and that's just his shoulder, and 933 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 2: then he had this weird foot sprain. I think he's 934 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 2: got a lot of stuff to work through. On the 935 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,319 Speaker 2: other side, if you look at this Rams team, there 936 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 2: is something if you lose the Super Bowl that next 937 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 2: season is really tough. And you look at the trend 938 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,400 Speaker 2: of teams coming off a Super Bowl loss, their ats 939 00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,360 Speaker 2: is not good. I don't but I think the public 940 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 2: is kind of high on both these team so but 941 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,760 Speaker 2: obviously higher on the on the Rams. And that's why 942 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 2: the spread is minus three for a road favorite. I 943 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna be shifted one way or the other. 944 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,280 Speaker 2: The only thing that could shift it is if somehow 945 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 2: Cam Newton is a late scratch. 946 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 1: What happens? Out of curiosity to the line, do you 947 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: think if Newton is scratched? 948 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 2: I think it would go up to like six and 949 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 2: a half or seven, Okay, I mean the thing is, 950 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 2: which would be great for me because I like Will Greer. 951 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,880 Speaker 2: You know, obviously that's a tough first start for you, 952 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,800 Speaker 2: showing up against the Rams, but seven points is huge. 953 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 2: But starting quarterbacks are really something that they'll automatically jump 954 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 2: into the next key number. 955 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,719 Speaker 1: I feel like gotcham All right, let's move on to 956 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,840 Speaker 1: the Texans at the Saints. The Saints here are laying seven. 957 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: The over under is at fifty three and a half. 958 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,360 Speaker 1: This is pretty interesting because you were we've been talking 959 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,280 Speaker 1: about tackles, of course, but you've got essentially an offense 960 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,439 Speaker 1: that has entirely remade their team a little bit over 961 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,959 Speaker 1: the last few days. They lost. The Texans lost Lamar 962 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 1: Miller and j Davian Clowney. They've added Laramie Tunsel and 963 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: Duke Johnson and Kenny Stilson. Yet everything has stayed almost 964 00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: exactly where it is. It opened at seven and a half, 965 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: so it's moved only half a point. With the Saints 966 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 1: now laying seven and the total has not moved at all. 967 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: It opened at fifty three and a half. That is 968 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: the highest of the week. So what's your reaction here 969 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:11,880 Speaker 1: to these lines? 970 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 2: I what I opened up the week one lines and 971 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 2: I hadn't been tracking this line, you know, the entire 972 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 2: summer or whatever. I was shocked. This was the most 973 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,799 Speaker 2: surprising line. Honestly thought this was gonna be like three 974 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 2: and a half four. 975 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,279 Speaker 1: You see why I kept it for our last right, 976 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: you see why it ranks so low on the boring meter. 977 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 2: No, and I think it'll be I think it'll be 978 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,640 Speaker 2: an exciting game. And just man, last season when the 979 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,840 Speaker 2: Saints lost outright to the Tampa Bay Bucks, I go, 980 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,959 Speaker 2: what the hell? And then you look back at their 981 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 2: history and they've under Sean Payton, They've been horrible opening 982 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 2: day and just early on in September. I don't know. 983 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,840 Speaker 2: They suffer from the same thing that the Patriots do, 984 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 2: and this to me is shocking. The Texans come in 985 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 2: highly motivated. Bill O'Brien is just saying, yeah, he's like 986 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,040 Speaker 2: he's like the drug friend, just you know, doing whatever 987 00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,759 Speaker 2: it takes at the end of the night to talk 988 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,799 Speaker 2: to talk to a girl or whatever, because he is 989 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,680 Speaker 2: just clearly desperate. And I think that's I think that's 990 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 2: it's just way too high. Like the Texans have a 991 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 2: competent team. Larry By Tunsel. I don't know if he's 992 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,839 Speaker 2: still gonna start week one or whatever, but I mean 993 00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,839 Speaker 2: they were eleven and five last year, like they're not 994 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,800 Speaker 2: They're not a tray, you know, they should be getting 995 00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,760 Speaker 2: more respect from the line. I was really shocked. 996 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. And I when I looked at 997 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,720 Speaker 1: all the lines that are available, I expected to see, 998 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,359 Speaker 1: all right, somebody's got to at least be it, you know, 999 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: minus six or something like that. So not now they 1000 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,839 Speaker 1: are in locks that it is all the Saints lank 1001 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,879 Speaker 1: seven across the board, and I completely agree. I tried 1002 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,880 Speaker 1: to look at it now. I knew what it was originally, 1003 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: but I kind of put that in the back of 1004 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: my mind and I looked, yeah, this is more like 1005 00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,480 Speaker 1: the Saints lane forward, you know, some somewhere around there 1006 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,360 Speaker 1: four and a half something, three and a half four. Yeah, 1007 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 1: it's not moving though, I mean it hasn't moved at all, 1008 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,239 Speaker 1: So this is I mean, it's gonna be. 1009 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, Drew Brees the second half. You know, after he 1010 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 2: took that crazy shot on Thanksgiving, he his numbers really dropped. 1011 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 2: I mean, he got rocked on that play and he 1012 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 2: was way more hesitant pushing the ball downfield. And perhaps 1013 00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 2: we're kind of seeing him on the downward slide at 1014 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 2: the edge of his career. And Shaun Watson, by all 1015 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 2: accounts fully healthy. You know, he hasn't. He had the 1016 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,920 Speaker 2: whole offseason to really get right physically. They brought in 1017 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 2: Duke Johnson, and it just Bill O'Brien is just, you know, 1018 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,600 Speaker 2: coaching with some urgency and. 1019 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,960 Speaker 1: Just yeah, he's going for it doing whatever. 1020 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be if I'm a Texans fan, I'm seriously 1021 00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 2: worried about their long term prospects. 1022 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,000 Speaker 1: But you just got to block all that out, man. Yeah, 1023 00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,960 Speaker 1: just push all your chips in for this year. 1024 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 2: If you're a Texans fan, all I can say is 1025 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,040 Speaker 2: enjoy this season. 1026 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hope it goes. Let's hope it goes better 1027 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,920 Speaker 1: than than what your next several years and the draft 1028 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,320 Speaker 1: is going to look like. So all right, let's finish 1029 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,479 Speaker 1: up here with what I felt like was the most 1030 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,800 Speaker 1: interesting game just because of Andrew Luck and everything that happened, 1031 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,000 Speaker 1: and that's the Colts at the Chargers. The Chargers are 1032 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: currently laying six and a half and the over unders 1033 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,880 Speaker 1: had forty five. So, you know, originally when Luck was, 1034 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, they thought Luck was healthier, even with some 1035 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,840 Speaker 1: of the question marks, the Chargers were laying three and 1036 00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,920 Speaker 1: a half and it was a forty eight point total. 1037 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,359 Speaker 1: Now when the Luck news broke, this initially moved the 1038 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,719 Speaker 1: line from three and a half to the Chargers laying 1039 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,759 Speaker 1: seven and a half. But it's gone down at this 1040 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: point to six and a half. I mean, is this 1041 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 1: just sort of is this money coming in? Is it 1042 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,960 Speaker 1: anything to do with the Melvin Gordon situation? What do 1043 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,080 Speaker 1: you think it is? And at the line at six 1044 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,400 Speaker 1: and a half, what are your thoughts on that? 1045 00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is this is the most interesting game, 1046 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,640 Speaker 2: right and I think they've probably found the right number. 1047 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I think I could get to an even seven. 1048 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,480 Speaker 2: It's a it's a weird line history because it almost 1049 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,680 Speaker 2: seemed like too much of a reaction when Luck was 1050 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,799 Speaker 2: out because Jacoby Brissett was in the system. He's gotten 1051 00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,319 Speaker 2: a bunch of reps. They have a solid team around him. 1052 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,280 Speaker 2: The Chargers have no home field advantage. Again, they're also 1053 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,400 Speaker 2: missing their left tackle, so that should be a concern 1054 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 2: and something to factor in. You know, the Chargers always 1055 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,840 Speaker 2: deal with these random injuries. The Chargers haven't looked great 1056 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,640 Speaker 2: opening day as well. They've gotten off the slow starts. 1057 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,960 Speaker 2: The Colts are really well coached. Frank Wright, he's just 1058 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,879 Speaker 2: a solid coach. I think the Colts in a weird way. 1059 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 2: If I was just you know, looking at the emotional 1060 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,760 Speaker 2: handicapping of this game, the Colts I do think rally 1061 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 2: around and this is kind of like, hey, win one 1062 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 2: for us, show people we're more than Andrew Luck, Like, 1063 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,120 Speaker 2: it feels like they're coming in with something to prove. 1064 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,360 Speaker 2: I think seven is probably I think where it would 1065 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,279 Speaker 2: close eventually, because once the public gets involved in this 1066 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 2: game and does the mat that you know, Andrew Lux 1067 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 2: not the coach or sorry, not the quarterback anymore, or 1068 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,479 Speaker 2: the coach. Maybe he'll one day we've got a coach 1069 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,719 Speaker 2: through his backpacking the adventures are done. As far as 1070 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:17,560 Speaker 2: the total, yes, forty five. Yes, it's kind of right 1071 00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,120 Speaker 2: in the middle. I think they're and you look around, 1072 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,840 Speaker 2: this is probably one of the one of the bigger 1073 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,160 Speaker 2: totals that has discrepancies, Like I'm over at betting pros 1074 00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,160 Speaker 2: and I'm seeing forty seven and a half to forty 1075 00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,479 Speaker 2: four and a half or even forty three and a half, 1076 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,480 Speaker 2: but you're paying a little juice on that minus when thirty. 1077 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,640 Speaker 2: So I think they're throwing this total out to kind 1078 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:41,520 Speaker 2: of see where the market goes, because I don't think 1079 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,120 Speaker 2: the the people said in the lines have a great 1080 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,680 Speaker 2: idea as to how this colts. Offense is gonna look 1081 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,600 Speaker 2: a lot of uncertainty, So I would think this is 1082 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,359 Speaker 2: kind of at forty five. I wouldn't be surprised if 1083 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 2: it if it goes down rather. 1084 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,439 Speaker 1: Than yeah, to me, I think this is roughly where 1085 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna end up. I would think that the line 1086 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,880 Speaker 1: line the spread is probably going to be at seven 1087 00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,319 Speaker 1: when all things are sent in. And again same thing 1088 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,960 Speaker 1: with you over under with the spread. You can get 1089 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,359 Speaker 1: it at plus seven at certain places, you can get 1090 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,879 Speaker 1: it at plus six at some places. I mean, I mean, 1091 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:13,880 Speaker 1: I know what to do. 1092 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 2: I saw like when the luck news happened, I saw 1093 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,239 Speaker 2: as high as nine and a half some places, So 1094 00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 2: I mean that's crazy just comparing a nine and a 1095 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 2: half point spread to a six and a half point spread, 1096 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,560 Speaker 2: when in between there no news has occurred. I think 1097 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,520 Speaker 2: they're really struggling if I'm looking for this number. Yeah, 1098 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,680 Speaker 2: if I was running a sportsbook, I would say it 1099 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,160 Speaker 2: at seven and just walk away. 1100 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,120 Speaker 1: I completely agree. I think of all the numbers, this 1101 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,359 Speaker 1: is the one that I can see changing probably the most. 1102 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I could see it. I think it's probably 1103 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,759 Speaker 1: going to end up at seven, and I think it'll 1104 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,520 Speaker 1: stick at forty five, but I could see it moving more, 1105 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,880 Speaker 1: just because it really feels throughout this entire thing like 1106 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,640 Speaker 1: they don't really know how to get a handle of it. 1107 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're I think they're letting the volume 1108 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,279 Speaker 2: really dictate this one. Sometimes they'll, you know, they'll they 1109 00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,400 Speaker 2: won't be afraid to take a position or a side 1110 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,520 Speaker 2: or based on seeing, you know, where the money's coming 1111 00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,239 Speaker 2: in really kind of way in. But this one, I 1112 00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,480 Speaker 2: think they're kind of just leaving it out there for 1113 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,080 Speaker 2: the public to figure out. Yep. 1114 00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,279 Speaker 1: That's why it was the most interesting lines, my friend, 1115 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,880 Speaker 1: That's why I said it that. Thanks man, All right, 1116 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 1: Well that's going to do it for today's show. Sean. 1117 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,600 Speaker 1: It was really great having you on. I really hope 1118 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:18,920 Speaker 1: we can do it again during the season. 1119 00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,919 Speaker 2: Awesome man, Yeah, drop me a line and you don't 1120 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,239 Speaker 2: have to twist my arm to talk about NFL gameless. 1121 00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely, thanks again to the sponsor of today's show, Play MGM. 1122 00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,759 Speaker 1: Remember to download the play MGM Sports app and use 1123 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: the promo code Harris to get your risk free first 1124 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:35,640 Speaker 1: wager of up to one hundred dollars. And if you've 1125 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,279 Speaker 1: been listening to this podcast regularly, you know that we 1126 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 1: had an August contest where we were giving away an 1127 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,080 Speaker 1: autographed Christian McCaffrey helmet. 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