WEBVTT - Ep. 259: Render - Bucks, Boats and Sabots 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.239 My name is Clay Neukman. This is a production of 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:21.440 the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render where 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:25.800 we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:30.639 of the actual bear Grease podcast presented by f h 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:35.400 F Gear, American Maid purpose built hunting and fishing gear 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:38.599 that's designed to be as rugged as the place as 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:44.040 we explore. Welcome to the Bear Grease render Man. The 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:48.519 Deer Stories episodes are some of my favorite of the 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.960 whole year because I get to go and talk to 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:56.200 all these people and cherry pick their stories. That's what 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:00.400 you do. But usually what I don't say to the 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:02.760 guys that are talking that I'm talking to, like Mo, 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:06.520 is that you got to go through a bunch of 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:11.520 duds to cherry pick the one that pick. Is that right, Mo? 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:14.119 That's right, that's right. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:22.240 I won't tell how many he's thrown in the trash 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:22.560 that No. 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:27.559 Actually, what's interesting is that to me when you tell 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:30.640 somebody tell me your best deer story, that means something 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:35.319 different to everybody. Somebody might tell you the most like 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:38.479 sentimental story that they have. They might tell you about 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.880 like the first deer their son ever killed, or they 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.840 may tell you a story about how their uncle poached 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.320 a deer when they were nine years old, you know, 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.360 and something just like off the wall. You'd be surprised 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.640 how many times that happens. And I go, man, that's 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.240 a great story. You have another one that we could 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:01.559 celebrate and you know, on the platform of American hunting 0:02:01.560 --> 0:02:03.320 culture fish violation. 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:08.200 Yeah. Uh, but the good is there a statute of 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:12.280 limitations on stories, Like when you do something violates. 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:17.000 There's a there's a bear grease code of honor. Like 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.760 we've told illegal stories on this hunting podcast. 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:20.080 True. 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:22.600 I mean when we talked about lou Dell and Charlie Edwards, 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.560 there were a lot of illegal hunting stories. Andy Brown 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:29.840 talked about his dad running over a deer being run 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:34.120 by dogs back in the sixties in County. He run 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.160 it down with the truck he did. I mean, it was, 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:43.160 but it we justified it based upon the intent and 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:49.280 the the the intangibles that it brought to us understanding 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:51.600 where we're at today. So when Andy Brown told about 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.040 his dad shooting deer with the twenty two and all 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:59.320 this stuff, it made sense because now we're like, man, 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.800 how much further we come along that we're you know, 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:07.760 we're most hunters are thinking about conservation and the law, 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.280 you know, compared to back when it was kind of 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:13.920 just a suggestion. So the answer is, yes, there's a 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:14.359 great line. 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.040 I think the thing I love about the deer stories 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:20.760 is it is kind of you're looking for the intangible 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.360 things about it, Like, you know, there's that when you 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.639 sit around the campfire at deer camp. You know there's 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.880 that one guy that you just can't wait for him 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.440 to tell any story. Yeah, the story of going to 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.239 the porta potty before he goes to the deer stand 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:33.160 is gonna be good. 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:33.639 Yeah. 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:37.280 And we get to to have the the krem de 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:41.000 la creme of all the deer stories. So yeah, it's 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:42.280 a lot of good stuff. Yeah. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.280 Well I better introduce my guests. I've got Bear John 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.760 Newcomb here here, and then we've got Josh Filmmaker present 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.000 Mo Shepherd Law. I don't even need to introduce you, Mo. 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.000 I'm not even gonna I may not even tell you 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.920 something really nice that someone said about you. I'm mayried 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:03.960 all the time, so don't imagine. Reminded me what Lake 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.720 Pickle said about moment. Oh really, lake Pickle, Lake Pickle. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.040 But our guest of honor. You didn't know what Shane, 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:13.360 You've been tricked. You're the guest of honor. This is 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:16.719 my longtime buddy, Shane Almond. It's been It's funny. I 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.680 hadn't seen Shane in many years, Like just like an 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:24.240 hour ago. I was like, Man, you got old. You know. 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:26.440 He was like he actually he said that to me, 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.600 He said, you got old. But no, Man, me and 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.599 Shane we go pretty far back. Yeah, we've been to 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:38.600 Canada together, We've we've I feel like we've done a 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:39.919 lot of stuff together over the years. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.000 Yeah, we've done quite a bit of running around Turkey hunting, 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.400 bear hunting, yep, worked some shows together when you was 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.360 doing the Arkansas Bear and Buck Journal before you bought 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:50.480 Bear Hunting magazine. 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:54.039 So yeah, yeah, no, So listen, y'all you might not 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.400 know this bear. Let me paint a picture for you 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.720 about how the world used to be. Okay, got it. 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:03.640 We used to live for this time of year for 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:09.080 Walmart to get those see those DVDs up there. Yep, 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:10.880 did we not shame? 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:12.159 We did? That's fact. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:13.920 Moe went through a bunch of them. 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.719 I mean, because you wouldn't even the world did not 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:21.840 have much of an Internet presence, and so now we 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.320 you know, people that are interested in hunting, are interested 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:28.080 in kayaking, are interested in cars or painting their nails 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.480 or whatever. People are interested. I think you can watch 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:32.719 it every day of the year and there's all this 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.960 content just to it wasn't that way. And in the fall, 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.640 usually late August, maybe the first of September if they 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.200 were late, they'd put on the shelves hunting DVDs from 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:50.360 Primost to hs HS strut Night in Hale, not in Hall. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:54.080 Who were the jury's Who else was some of the 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:54.640 good ones? 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:59.360 Then you had Fitzgerald and no Feather. Yeah, that's going 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.920 way back, burying Geene Winstle. They had probably the best, 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.719 some of the best ones bow hunting, October, white Tails, 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:06.920 really good. 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.360 But yeah, there was there was a lot of them. 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:13.880 Well, okay, the first time I ever saw Shane, he 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:18.120 was on one of those DVDs. What, yeah, Shane was 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.760 Uh we had a celebrity here, Oh, big time, big time? No, 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:26.000 I wonder see, see you didn't know I had somebody 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.760 in my back pocket, did you? No, Shane, tell me 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:35.039 a little bit like you you hunted with HSI. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:42.200 Yeah, so back in that so early early two thousands, 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:45.159 a good friend of mine, Philip vander Pool, which lived 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.320 there at home, which he he'd always been obsessed with 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:52.040 videography type work, steal pictures and stuff. 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:52.920 And and hunted a lot. 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:58.159 So he got into kind of freelance video and and 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.760 he we hunted quite a bit together. We would we 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.440 killed a few he videoed and me killing a few bears. 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:08.839 It was featured on a couple of videos, and then 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:15.120 we uh, he got a a role working for Hunter Specialties, 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.240 just freelance selling, you know, getting content for them and 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:22.480 selling to them. So I the first few years that 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:24.920 was good that we'd done that. I was the one 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:27.560 that was drawing tags, you know, somewhere in the Midwest, 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:31.520 would either be like Kansas, Iowall, Illinois wherever, and uh 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:34.280 that was kind of the deal, you know, he would Uh, 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:36.640 I was just wanting to go hunting, and he was 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:37.320 wanting the video. 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:39.160 So it worked out good for both. 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:40.920 I was getting the hunt, you know, and which now 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.120 we wasn't going on any guided hunts, I mean ever, 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.360 everything we was doing was on public or permission land 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.200 at that time. And then uh, so be it there 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.640 one one of the years, I uh I was fortunate 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.440 enough to kill a really good deer that was actually 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:56.240 the color covered. 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:00.640 That's what I bet money. I've got that dvdp there somewhere. 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.480 Yeah, and that was that was a piece of property. 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.640 It was just like today. I mean, we pulled up 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.760 and talked to a guy and he said, yeah, you 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:11.760 can hunt, which everybody had asked. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.720 He let hunt. I don't know how we was able to. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.400 Beat our way in there and around everybody else and 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.120 ended up killing a super nice deer. How big was 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:24.480 the deer one hundred and seventy two begging? Yeah, pretty good, 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.560 pretty good deer for a redneck from Arkansas. 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:31.480 So and then you, uh see, you hunted and filmed 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.200 with Hunter Specialties for quite a few years. 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:35.240 And four or five something like that. 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.000 And yeah, that's then. That's the way I would have 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:40.040 known you. It was like, hey, there's a Arkansas guy 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.120 over there that's filming for Hunter Specialties. 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:42.520 Yes. 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:45.680 And then you shot professional. 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:47.920 Archery, Yes, done a lot of archery shooting through the years, 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:54.040 shot a lot of ASA and IBO tournaments, shot on 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.079 it was on Matthew shooting staff for several years. It 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.120 was a good time, met a lot of great people 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:03.520 doing that still haven't done that in the wildest life 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.160 gotten away, you know, doing other things and. 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:11.520 Yeah, so yeah, yeah, it's so, man, Bear you should 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.000 you should get Shane to watch his shoot two or 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:17.600 three shots. Man, he's a pro. I taught Shane a 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:22.440 lot of what he knows, not about bow hunting, That's 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.920 what I'm talking about. But I'm sure that he could 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.800 transfer some of that knowledge back to you as a 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:30.400 pro shooter. 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.840 But matter of fact, I just remembered, so I went 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:38.280 to leave us in like, oh two thousand and seven, 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.080 ish was in Vegas shooting and just so happened with 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:42.760 Wayne Endicott was on the line with me. 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:44.560 I think you was up at Wayne shop. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:45.760 Yeah, supo Oregon. 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.440 Yeah, super good dude, Yeah he was. He was. 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:51.200 I've shot a few terms to him and he was 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:52.760 just always a pleasure to be around. 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.040 Super good, which they all are. 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.840 That's just ever beat any of the real well known guys, 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.640 just like one time or one shot that you'd like 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:00.920 to high like now. 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.280 Yeah, probably a couple of times or some of them. 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:07.200 I had your chance. 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.600 Like, man, one time I beat Levi Morgan. 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.960 Now one shot had never shot against Levi. But but 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:16.240 you know, you do have some really good shooters right 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:19.480 here in your backyard that travel and still shoot professionally today. 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:20.080 Yeah. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:21.960 One of them is a friend of mine, Nathan Brooks. 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:22.760 Yep. Yeah. 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:26.000 Me and Nathan go way, way, way back. We run 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:28.640 the roads a lot, you know. And when we was 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:30.920 in our early twenties, so you know, thirty years ago, 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:32.480 we've done lots of traveling. 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:37.680 Yeah. And uh, and now you own a company called 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:44.200 Muzzloader Magnum Products, Magnum Musloader Magnum Products known as MMP. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:44.959 Correct. 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:50.079 Yes, yeah, and it's y'all make now. Shane taught me 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.719 the correct way to say the word s A B 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:54.320 O T. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:56.680 That's always been a mystery to me. 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:58.920 How do you say it, Shane Sabot? 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.560 No, yes, that's not ever been on the list of options. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.360 Actually, I was going to call it a. 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.800 Yeah, or depends on what part of the world, or now. 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:10.560 You call it? Do you call it cou's deer, a 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:13.240 cou's deer, a cow's deer, a cou's deer, Okay, and 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:18.280 then you call a sabbath a sabot. The average average 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.160 hill billy would call it a sabbath. Yeah, Yes, that's 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:22.600 what Mo calls it. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:23.240 It's a sabbath. 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:28.720 Yeah, well this guy makes them and his his company 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.800 thirty years ago. I mean y'all created the. 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:39.000 Sabbath correct, so both So yeah, in nineteen eighty five. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.439 So Dale Ramsey was the original founder. Deal was. 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:42.719 It was a. 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.679 Lifelong friend of mine. I've known him since I was 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:49.600 a kid, and he uh he was an injection molder 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.000 by trade, That's that's what he done. And he got 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.480 interested in musloaders. Well back at that time, you know, 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.079 there was really no good bullets. It's just a cash 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:01.240 led bullet. Well, he got to want to do something different. 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.920 I mean, guys were guys were just had they had 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:09.280 these old like hawking style muzzloaders, I mean really primitive weapons, 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.440 and they were jamming lead down those things where lead was. 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:14.480 You had a bullet that was the size of your 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.319 barrel that which seems like what you would have because 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.079 that was all the technology for the last five hundred years. 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:23.080 Had that or a patch ball, that's all there was. Well, 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.000 I mean, yeah, you're right, and that's all there was 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:25.480 for Yeah. 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.600 I first started in the late seventies. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.360 That's the way it was. Either had a pass ball 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.400 or you had a you had this little lead baller 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.240 that either greased it or or just stuck it in 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:37.400 their dry and shoved it down. 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:39.480 And the accuracy was very low. 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:43.280 Yes, yeah, So when when Dale started that, he got 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:46.160 to he kept working with it and then got to shooting. 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.240 You know, just a jacketed pistol bullet just still today 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:51.320 they a lot of guys still used just a jacketed 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:54.200 hollow point like a Horner of Day XTP or a 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:58.520 Barns XPB. So anyway, that's that's the bullet he started 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:02.920 messing with and got him to and then the had 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.200 a product that was working. So he when he decides 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.720 to go to the shot show and first of the year, 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:10.840 he goes to Houston, Texas and just so happened, sets 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:13.960 up a little booth and Tony Knight was there, which 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.559 Tony nine is who not musloads. 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.000 Well, that was the year that he introduced the. 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.840 M K eighty five, which is an in line musload, 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:23.199 first in line mostloads. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:24.280 Well change the game. 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:25.440 Ye changed the game. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:29.119 So when Sodale and and Tony was at the forefront 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.719 of modern most loading, that's and that's kind of how 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:33.600 that got started. 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:34.120 And then. 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:39.040 I mean so he but he created. 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.120 The Yes, he created. 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:46.080 Yes savage. Now I remember, I remember this from years ago. 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:51.839 I was just talking about this and uh uh, there 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:55.560 was some French French folks. Well, the reason it's a sabo, 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.120 that's that's a French word for what does that word mean? 0:13:59.120 --> 0:13:59.920 Don't get me the line. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.880 Okay, Well, it was because they used it with cannons. Yes, 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:07.199 so they would have like you know, military cannons, but 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:11.120 wanted to shoot a smaller caliber ball out of a 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:16.040 bigger caliber hole. And so they somehow packed this this 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.880 bullet in a am I right, Yeah, And so that 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:24.040 was kind of the idea. Yeah, and then Dale was like, hey, 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:30.520 I'm gonna fabricate injection mold this little plastic packaging for 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.200 a forty five caliber bullet to shoot out of a 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:37.560 fifty caliber muscle correct and what what what? What's the 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.880 physics behind why that changed the accuracy of mussliders so much. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:46.000 I think the big thing was the quality of bullet. 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.280 They get a little better bullet, getting them loaded better. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.560 And then at the time, whenever Tony invented the gun, 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:56.680 it was so much ahead of everything else on the market. 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.520 When you just have an old traditional Thompson Center renegade 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.920 or hockey, and it was just pretty much not much rifling. Yeah, 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:04.240 like a turn in forty eight. 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:08.600 You know, then you have inline that has a wirlhood 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:09.880 and it early straightens everything. 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.880 That straightens everything out. Now this it just it just worked. 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.880 I mean, it just it just is a good combination 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:19.840 for you know, the everyday guy that wants to go 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:23.120 hunting and don't it's not not wanting to reload, try 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.440 to size bullets and things of that nature. They there's 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.480 a good combination for just a general hunter for sure. 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.480 And so he had the patent on that still does. 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.320 He had to design patent when he first started and 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:36.640 then it went away. 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:43.320 Okay, so but for decades if you had a I 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.640 can't say it any way, a sabotage bullet, Yeah, uh 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.400 that you thought at Walmart you were using one of 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:55.520 Dale's m MPs, which is now Shane's company. You're using 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.920 one of their say boat, yes, I mean, and and 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.200 you're still making them today, still make them today and 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.120 still the leader in making sea boats. 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.200 We try to be, you know, we we do have 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:08.760 a competitor. I mean, they make a good product as well. 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:09.680 I mean there's I. 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:12.320 Know they don't Yeah, well I hate to down anybody, 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:13.960 but you know, I think there's. 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:16.680 A boat for both of us. 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.160 You know, I'm not going for anybody's stuff. No, they 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.240 probably they might down mind, but that's okay. 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:24.240 So that's kind. 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:28.360 I just it's an interesting story. So I do Dale. 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:31.760 Dale has since passed away. I met Dale just a 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.280 time or two, threw you hunted on his place, and 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:37.440 he was just an eccentric, real neat old guy just 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:43.080 like super I mean super intelligent, probably way to buck 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:44.680 forty sop and wet. 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:48.840 Maybe maybe yeah, yeah, he has Eddie's heaviest in his life. 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:50.640 He was probably one forty yeah. 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:55.320 And he was he loved to hunt, I mean, was 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:59.680 a serious hunter, whitetail hunter. Grew up over here in Harrison, Arkansas. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.120 And uh, kind of a genius. That's the way I 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:06.120 remember him, just with with his ability like with guns 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.920 and I mean just a genius. And uh, I remember 0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:13.320 he said one thing to me that I'll never forget. 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.399 I'll never forget it. It was it was at a 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:21.760 time when in the outdoor space. I don't know why 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.520 I was talking about this, but I just said, we've 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.159 kind of done everything that we can do. I remember 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.879 saying it was a conversation and I was like, there's 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.840 no basically, I said, there's no room to like have 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.200 something new in the outdoor space because like everything's been done. 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:42.280 I mean we've got grunt calls and mechanical broadheads and 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:47.240 air guns and rifles and pistols and I mean just 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:52.280 camouflage and leafy camouflage and waterproof boot like. And I 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:57.200 remember he said, he said, you're wrong. There there will 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:01.399 always be innovation, yeah, always, no matter what, no matter 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:05.720 which direction that you go and anything. And what it 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.760 did for me was, uh, I believed him when he 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.360 said it. He was just like, nah, there'll always be innovation, 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.680 and uh it uh. I mean it's like the world 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:17.800 is just so big, like there's just always a way 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:18.320 to be better. 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:22.320 Yeah, And that that's that's one thing that got me interested. 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:23.680 And when Dale passed. 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:28.679 Away, me and him had been talking about things, and 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.159 you know, quite you know and question him and well, 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:32.879 why don't we why don't you Why didn't you do 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.760 this or why didn't you try this? Why not interested anymore? 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:39.720 So he had kind of lost inert, wasn't interested in 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:41.840 doing anything. But I kept talking to him and talking 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:43.480 to him, and you know, he's told me a few things, 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.680 Well I think this might work, or I think this 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.440 may work, and uh, I kept that in the back 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:51.040 of my mind. And then whenever after he passed away, 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.560 and then they decided that the company is gonna go 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:54.120 up for sale. 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.000 Well, I don't want to just let it go away. 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.800 You know, he didn't accomplish with him, He don't try, 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.240 you know, so what's the worst can happen? I go broke, 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:03.399 so well they're gonna do take my name at that point, 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:03.679 you know. 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.000 So so anyway we bold entrepreneur. 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:11.240 So anyway we we uh come to terms and and 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:12.600 got it taken over. 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.639 And then I have actually been. 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.480 Working on some of the things that we've talked about, 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:21.720 trying to make a little better product different, not as 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.120 not as much a design difference that you can see, 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:28.159 but just improvements in everything that's available today. You know, 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.600 there's better materials, better machines, better mold. I mean, there's this, 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.800 there's things that you can be done better that will work. 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.320 I think in more high performance guns better today than 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:40.760 they maybe currently are. 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.440 Increase the performance of the bullets and yeah, and now 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:45.639 of the said boat. 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.399 Yeah, for sure, good try. 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:59.639 I tried to say it, What does m MP sell that, 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.880 like I would buy as a Muslim hunter. 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:08.399 Well, we we sell bulk sabos or sabots who whoever 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:12.160 to suppose, Yeah, so bulk packaging of those. And then 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:16.600 we do offer some bullet and sable combinations for the 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:18.280 guy that just wants to buy a twelve pack of 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:21.040 bullets and don't want to go you know, we've got those. 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:22.600 And we we do. 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:25.760 Handle a few a line of athlon scopes optics. 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:26.920 You know what's they make some. 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:31.240 Pretty pretty affordable, pretty good scopes for the price point. 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.480 They're really good and so and so we handle those. 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:38.440 That's kind of where we're at currently, looking about expanding 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.920 into other things. You know, have more of your one 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.800 stop shop for muzsloud or stuff through the website. But uh, 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.040 you know, kind of work in progress, you know, getting 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:51.320 getting to that point. But yeah, so you don't sell 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.000 like pellets or powders or any of that stuff. Now, 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.040 no powders or pellets. It just seems like that is 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:01.280 much that there's so much taxes has matt fees getting 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:03.679 them shipped in and then having to turn around and 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:09.640 reship them to somebody else. It's it's almost. It's proper hard. Yeah, 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:11.679 pricing is hard. It's hard to get to, you know, 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.800