WEBVTT - Diary of a Hitman w/ Sammy The Bull 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:05.760 When I right, y'all, I'm across the USC Compton Motts 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:10.720 Bank to l A from on the California the Valley. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.320 We represent that Kelly County. So if you're keeping it 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.119 reil on your side of your town, you tune into 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:22.880 Gangster Chronicles. The goals are gonna tell you how we go. 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:26.440 If I line my nose will girl like Pinocchio. We're 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.360 gonna tell you the truth and nothing but the truth. 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:33.760 Gangster Chronicals. This is not your average show. You're now 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.199 tuned into the Rail m c A, Big James and 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:48.440 Bix Fields the Streets. Hello, Welcome to the Gangster Chronicles podcast, 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:51.640 the production of My Heart Radio and Black Effect Podcast Network. 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.360 Make sure you download the I Heart Happen. Subscribe to 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.080 The Gangster Chronicles for my Apple users, hit the Purple 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.600 Michael your front screen, Subscribe to the Gainst Chronicles and 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.360 leave a start rating the comment. We like to welcome 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:06.760 everyone to another episode of Against the Chronicles podcasts. Unfortunately 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.360 I don't have my crime. He's here with me today. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:12.040 James is in the hospital. He's doing well. He's going 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.160 to get some surgery, getting the shoulder took care of, 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:16.640 and eight is out on tour. But the day I'm 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:18.560 going to hold it down with one of my favorite 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:22.319 guests of all time, kind of notorious in his own right, 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:27.560 Mr Sammy the Bull. Man, I'm stale and uh there's 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.839 just a second time I'm around, and uh, great guy, 0:01:30.959 --> 0:01:33.679 and I'm looking forward to the interview, and uh, let's 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:35.680 here what happens for sure? Man, for sure, we have 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:37.280 us a good time. Man. We're gonna ask some of 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.280 these questions. Man, we got had like thousand people send 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:41.880 me questions for you, but I got my own ship. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:43.480 I want to ask you first and get that out 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:48.960 the way first. You know, everybody knows your reputation. Man, 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:54.360 now you've confessed to being involved in nineteen murders. How 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.720 were you we first committed your first murder? I believe 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:01.640 I was four as old and when I did my 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:05.920 first one, and uh, I was just a member of 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.640 the Colombo family. I was an associate. It came down 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:14.200 from the boss Joe Colombo to call my persico to 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:18.160 a guy named Shorty Spirit who was my boss. And um, 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.720 I got the contract. So when we talk about contracts, 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:23.480 what does that mean? The name is not enough? Some 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:28.480 piece of paperwork somewhere floating around. Yeah, well it's you're 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:30.480 the guy who's going to be the guy who's doing 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:33.480 the shooting and doing the hit. You're in charge of 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:38.040 the hit and you're calling all the shots and they 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.760 give you a guy's name who's gonna go the reason why, 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.880 and uh, that's about it. It's as simple as that. Now, 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:46.920 what happens when it's one of those situations and this 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.120 is the person that you actually care about, like this 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:50.799 is a good friend of yours. Have you ever had 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:55.640 that moment? Oh? Absolutely, I mean absolutely, But you know 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.560 it depends on when it comes down what you did. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:02.959 If you broke rules, certain rules and goes to austra um, 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:08.040 you have to go. Now, if it's personal, it is 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:10.720 what it is. If he broke certain rules, we all 0:03:10.880 --> 0:03:14.600 take an oath to be in that life. We all 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:18.679 understand the rules and regulations. Now, if I broke the rule, 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.080 maybe he would be shooting me. But he broke the rule, 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.280 it wasn't me, and there's nothing I could do about it. 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.079 And that oath has took him pretty seriously, or it's 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:33.119 taken very seriously. Wow, So you get a guy that's 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:34.840 been your friend for years. You guys could have grew 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.240 up together, and they say that this guy has to go. 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:41.520 He has to go, Yes, yes, more or less. I 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:46.560 mean you can talk for him the depending, you know, 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:50.120 trying to save his life. You can try to reason 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:54.000 with the bosses and whatever. But if the reason is 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:58.080 too great he broke a rule that's you know, sacred 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.440 to them, then he's just gotta go. There's nothing you 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.640 could do about it. Wow, man, that's deep. Man. Now, 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.040 you were involved in to hit him the Gambino cryme 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:13.200 boss Podcastiano. Yes, and was that to authorize it? No, 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:16.080 that could have ended up in some big ship man, 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:20.239 if it went wrong. Huh. Oh, absolutely actually did go wrong. 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.480 I mean we did lose guys. Frank Chico was blown 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:28.040 up four months later, the guys Eddie Leno. There was 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.360 guys who were killed. It. It broke into a little 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.480 bit of a war. We were so powerful John Gotti 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.760 and myself and a few others that it was hard 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.839 to come against us. We just had an army, We 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:46.159 had a hundred shooters with us, so it's really was hard. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.520 So they had to do things. When they did it, 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.880 they did it real sneaky, so we wouldn't know who 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:56.480 did what. So but that we did lose some guys. 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.520 That was a dangerous time. Now what makes you guys 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.760 the side? Uh, pretty much contract that guy's life with 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:08.479 a contract that on podcast out. Well, he made a 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.719 lot of mistakes that would just when you're the boss, 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.040 your word ist gospel. But still you've gotta be fair 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.440 and there's things that you can do. You could put 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.679 your own life in jeopardy. And that's exactly what happened. 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.039 Now John Gotti and his crew there was a rule 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:29.800 about not dealing drugs. You deal drugs and you die. 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:34.760 Him and his crew got caught deal in drugs. Um, 0:05:34.960 --> 0:05:37.239 he was in trouble. His whole crew was in trouble. 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:41.120 But Paul made so many other blunders and so many 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:47.520 things that guys didn't agree with that rather than killing John, 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.919 we decided to take out Paul and change the life 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:54.360 around and bring it back to what it was supposed 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:58.159 to be. If he didn't do all his crimes, then 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:03.239 maybe John Gotti would have and uh, we wouldn't help him. Wow, 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:05.280 that's deep, man. And do you think he ever saw 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:12.479 it coming? No? Obviously not no, no, he never It's 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:16.240 it's so we put it together so well together. I 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:20.080 actually planned the hit. It was in midtown Manhattan, in 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:24.160 front of Box steakhouse. It was five thirty at night, 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:29.080 right before Christmas, mobs of people in the street, cops everywhere. 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:33.520 He never saw that coming and that that's what I 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.880 looked for, and I knew the confusion would help us 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:40.919 get away with it and would confuse everything. And it 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:43.960 worked to a tape. We had eleven guys on the hit. 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:49.360 Bad Guy's crashed cause four shooters who would shoot Paul 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:54.680 and Tommy Bloody, his driver, bodyguard. So it just came 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:59.239 down smooth. Wow. It seems like there's an enormous amount 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.560 of planning that goes into this. It's just not like 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:04.359 the stuff that you see the day to where dude 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:07.240 is um walking up the liquor store and the characterized 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.720 by and hits everybody else around the guy except the 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.640 attended venthom. You know, they shoot kids, grandmother's, mamas and 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.480 everybody else. It seems like when you guys were out 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:17.520 there doing your thing, you put a lot of meticulous 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:21.559 effort into it. We were planning this for about eight 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.480 months to get the right spot, and I a great 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.600 We make sure it's not in front of families, um, 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.120 their own family. Uh, we try to pick a spot 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:37.680 where we could do it properly and without hurting innocent people. 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.960 But by the same token, if anybody would have interfered 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.320 with that hit, they would have got hit to so 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:49.400 but nobody interfered. Everybody reading and screaming, yelling, shots flying 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.960 all over the place. But it wasn't all over the place, 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.920 it was into their bodies. They were right up on top. No, 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.880 no shooting from a car. We were right up Their 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.840 shooters were right up on top of the guys. The 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.320 guns were probably inches away from them when they were 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:09.200 pulling triggers. So nobody would get hurt. The whole team 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.320 had to move away from that hit. We had to 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.240 work together. We had a thing that it was a 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.800 do or die hit. It had to be done, and 0:08:19.840 --> 0:08:23.960 you don't move until the whole team moves. If you 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.240 move or tried to run before the team moved, then 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.320 you better keep running because we're gonna kill you too 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:33.520 as soon as we get you. Wow. Man, So this 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.760 dude ever dimly pissed a lot of people off. Man. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.079 People were upsetting at them. They decided he has to go. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.560 So you guys playing this um, did anybody at any 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.040 point they were trying to talk you guys out of 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:49.040 moving forward. No, because it wasn't discussed with very many people. 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.400 It was a small little group of us. There was 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.080 we called it the Fist. There was five guys who 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:59.160 were important in this. We called it the Fist, and uh, 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:01.880 it was us. We didn't I didn't even I had 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:05.600 a crew. I didn't talk to my crew about it. Um, 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.440 they didn't know what was going on. Just one guy 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:10.520 in the crew. I did talk to it. This guy, 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.640 the old man Joe Pruda, because at one point we 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.280 considered him to be the guy who was going to 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.280 do the work. They would stop before they went to 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.400 court every morning in a Greek dinner, they would sit 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.080 near the toilet. We were gonna put a shot cut 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.479 in the bathroom. Pruder could have went into the bathroom, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.319 opened the door, come out and pop the two of 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:34.199 him right away, and that we would have shoot his 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:38.120 all over the place to back him up. But the 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:43.320 same place that Paul and Tommy would stop before any 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.520 breakfast before they went to court, a whole shipload of 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.520 cops did the same thing. There was just too many 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.920 cops there, so that plan went down the drain. But 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.280 That's why I talked with the old man Pruda, and 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:58.440 he knew, But the other people in my crew I 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.520 didn't even tell them. So when you guys, um, what's 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:05.200 that process like, when you guys are deciding who's gonna 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.400 actually actually be the one to pull the trigger, how 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:12.560 does that process go? Well, I believe you know that's 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:16.840 not important. The planning of the hit of where he 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:22.920 can't get away one? Two, where we could get away? Three? 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.080 Where's the police? And who would be a backup shooter 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:29.280 to shoot it out? If we're shooting it out with 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:34.920 the cops, who would back up the shooters? Um, we 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.679 picked the four shooters, but every guy on that hit 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.640 could have been a shooter. It it doesn't it doesn't matter, 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.360 you know. I I've always trying to uh learned. It 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:49.560 doesn't matter who pulls the trigger. It's the man who 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:55.000 makes the plans, plans it, where it's done, it's done efficiently. 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:59.240 No matter which way you turn, you're gonna bump into 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.040 one of us and you're gonna get hit. Now all 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.760 of all of a sudden, he becomes the shooter. So 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.680 it doesn't really matter if a gun jams, there's people 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.080 there the The idea of it is to do it 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:20.080 quick effectively without hurting innocent people. When you start hurting 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:23.240 innocent people like you said to but drive by, you 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.880 come by and you open the window and start shooting. 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:30.440 When you hit innocent kids, or innocent women, or people 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.439 who are innocent to the whole thing, you're gonna bring 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:37.240 an enormous amount of heat. It seems like the law 0:11:37.320 --> 0:11:41.240 enforcement they'll investigate this to no end, but they don't 0:11:41.280 --> 0:11:44.720 really give a fuck when you're shooting each other. But 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.520 when you're shooting innocent people, you're gonna bring the wrath 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:53.320 of the entire fucking system down on you. So it 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.280 depends on how you want it. That's the way the 0:11:55.400 --> 0:12:00.360 mafia does it. We plant, we're in no rush. We 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.880 watch you day and night. We'll pick a spot, we'll 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:08.000 plan it, and um, you're gonna go just a matter 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.640 of time. Wow, Because you know what, we see a 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.839 lot of people like, oh, I love gangster ship. I'm 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:16.760 gonna be honest with you, I love gangster ship. So 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.600 whether it's about to tell your mofia F thirteen Black 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:25.160 Guerrilla Family, I'm in all that ship. Right. So you're 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.840 a guy, you're a gangster for all predical purposes. You know, 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.280 you're a gangster. I'm a gangster. I'm literally a gangster 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.320 all my life before that, I was a kid, I 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.960 was dyslexic, I had trouble in school. School wasn't my thing. 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.959 So I belonged to a gang, the Rampus street gang. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:47.480 Nothing sophisticated, just a bunch of young turks running around 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:51.439 and doing stupid ship most of the time. And when 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.360 I was nineteen, I got drafted during the Vietnam War 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:59.079 and went to military being taught to kill because you're 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.400 gonna you probably we will be involved in the war. 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:06.560 I came out. I was twenty one years old. Um 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:11.839 At I became an associate of the Colombo family. At 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.400 I did my first piece of work, meaning a hit, 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:19.760 and from that point on, I was you know. After 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.360 a while, I was transferred from the Colombo family to 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.600 the Gambino family. I was with this old man, the 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:32.559 old man Tatto, very wise, very powerful captain, and he's 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:38.160 the guy who actually told me, um that using your 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:42.400 head is the most important thing. My Gumbaa was a 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:47.960 tough guy, Ali boy Como and uh Tatto one time 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.679 grabbed me says I'll come every time there's a stick up. 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.199 You're walking in the store with the gun first and 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:58.360 ali boys behind you. I said, he's a tough guy, bro, 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:00.559 he's got my back and I'm comfortab. But with that, 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.840 he said, yes, he is a tough guy, he said, 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:09.880 but he's renacting reactionary. If there's a problem, a cop 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.280 walks by, I don't even know what's going on here, 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:16.800 he's gonna start shooting. He's not gonna try and think 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:20.920 his way out of it. Whatever, He's gonna start shooting immediately. 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:25.360 You got brains, you think if you reverse that and 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:29.640 you're the backup shooter or the backup guy, you're gonna 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:32.440 think and try to think your way out of it. 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.400 You don't have to necessarily start shooting. If there's a problem, 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:40.320 you will shoot. I know that, but you'll think first, 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.800 try to do it the other way around. I thought 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:49.160 about it, and I started doing that, and I thought 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.400 that he was right, Michael Mada. I loved him, a 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.520 real tough guy, but he would shoot you right away, 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:01.760 no hesitation, and I didn't want that. We don't have 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.480 to be on the murder. We're on a stick up. 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.360 If we could think our way out, if there's a problem. 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.880 Let's do that. It's one thing to do a stick up, 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.040 it's a whole another thing to leave a body and 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:14.480 do a murder. Yeah, that's what I wanted to talk 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.720 to you about. You know, recently in l A. L 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.560 A has actually had a rash of robberies that have 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.960 resulted and people getting murdered. I'm talking about high profile guys. 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:24.760 You know, a guy sitting in the restaurant with his 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:30.040 fiancee eat lunch and he gets murdered for his chain. 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.240 I thought that was ridiculous. I said, you know, when 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:35.600 when do we start, like when did the victims of 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.160 robbery started getting murdered and shot in cold blood? It's 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:40.680 crazy to me. And I think that goes back to 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.760 what you said about planning things. These things obviously aren't planned. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:45.760 I think it's the thing that we're literally somebody is 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.080 in the restaurant. They called and say, hey, he's just 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.400 guys in here shining. Let's get them. Somebody comes in. 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.120 I think you was you know, some people are scary, man, 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.000 some people are shoot you. Yeah. But I was in 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.080 prison with a guy and uh, he went in to 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.160 bodega and went in with have gone to rob it, 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.960 and uh, he pulled his gun out, told the guy 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.360 to give him his money. The guy opened the register, 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.920 got all the money, the money under the count, everything, 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.280 and gave it to him. And he shot him and 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.680 killed him. And he was in prison with me. So 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:21.720 I told him, why did you shoot him? He gave 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.560 you the money, he said, said he he could have 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:27.240 been a witness. Then why the fund did you wear 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.800 a mask? A mask? They don't think the guy's gonna 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.960 give you the money. If you wore a mask, you 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.840 robbed him and give you the money, He's not gonna 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:38.760 be a witness. Obviously, you don't want to have to 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.840 shoot him. And now you're facing not only robbery, but 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.320 a murder case, and it gets more intense. It's one 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:48.120 thing for bodega or a story to get robbed. It's 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:52.000 a whole nother thing on the murder, you know. And 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.520 I've been seeing that, you know, from the drive by 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.280 shootings to the robberies like that. It's always a whole 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:03.160 bunch of needless blood ship. Yeah, And I would think 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.080 if that was my business crime, I would want I 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.000 would want to at least the least attention possible. I 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:10.840 want to come in that's what I'm doing and be 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.920 gone right. And now the guy may not even want 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:15.800 to be a witness. He said. Listen, I don't even 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:17.240 want to get involved. I gift the guy the money. 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:18.679 I don't know what he looks like. I don't know 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.840 he was black, he was managed, he was white, whatever. 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.600 He don't want to even get him off. Now you're 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.080 forcing all kinds of things. I'll give you another example. 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.919 This I would did time with these kids is M thirteen. Kids. 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.920 Now you belong to a gang. You're killing people to 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:36.840 rob a bike. You're killing people four kinds of ship. 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:41.000 Now you belong to this gang M thirteen. Now you remember, 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.159 you get arrested as an M thirt team member, and 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:48.400 it's not from murder for anything. The public hates you. 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:51.440 You're never gonna be the case. As soon as they 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.399 hear he's a member of the M thirteen, you're dead. 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:57.560 Even if you're innocent, you ain't gonna beat this case. 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:00.840 They hate you. The prosecutors of go with that case. 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:08.000 They're usually good prosecutors. Damn investigators are cops or FBI. 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.800 You're going down with some broken ass lawyer, some fucking 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:17.320 ex cop who's half a drunk and you're gonna go 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:19.840 fight a case with a with a rap sheet of that, 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:23.320 you're the m thirteen. You're dead. You better take a 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:27.040 fucking pleat you're dead. You can't win the case, so 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:31.240 you'll have that rap you you use giving yourselves that rap. 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.600 The mafia don't do that the mafia. The public looks 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.800 that at the mafia and says, well, they kill each 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:43.600 other because they break rules. They don't hurt us. It's 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.760 a different mentality. Not that we beat cases that much, 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.920 but yeah, at least you got a shot. Yeah, I've 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.560 never heard the one thing I've never heard. I've never 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.200 heard of a bunch of keys getting killed behind the 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.240 tell your mafia, no, you won't. You hear that normal 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.640 street gang stuff. You hear about us all the time, 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:03.080 you know. And and even now they got a thing 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:05.040 to where a lot of these rappers are getting them 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:10.400 dieted because of their rap lyrics. Right, they're they're burying themselves. 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.119 They're burying their own people, their own race, that they 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:18.440 their own worst problem. Look what's going on in Chicago. 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:22.600 It's insane. You are killing each other for a spot. 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:25.760 This is my drug spotty. I'm on to take over 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.400 your drug spot. You could argue to fight, you could 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.200 do whatever you want. But when you start killing people 0:19:31.320 --> 0:19:35.480 that twenty two shootings in a weekend, six pie people, 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.720 that I mean, how are you ever your your heart? 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:43.440 Hurting yourselves a hundred thousand percent? You know the thing 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:48.440 he was, it's gotten so bad in Chicago, they they're stopping. Um. 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.359 I think it's a threat. I wish I could find 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.719 this ship. But if you threatened the public official, if 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:57.080 you threatened somebody, if you kidnap somebody, if you attempt 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.480 to kill somebody, they're letting you out of exagil No, 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.199 they're not people for those crimes anymore. They're gonna be 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.679 let going to their court. Data Rise. That's almost like 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.679 that ship. What's that movie The Purge? It almost sounds 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:12.680 like that, almost like that condoning it. Yeah, brother, you 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.240 kill people you want to. Here's how I look at it. 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:17.199 I'm not a black guy, but I look at it 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:20.680 as a black guy. Why the funk would you let 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:24.159 these guys go? Because you're letting them go in our community. 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:28.640 It's gonna kill our people and you don't give a fuck. Yeah, 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.159 it's crazy and it I mean that that's racist. To me, 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:35.399 you're letting this guy go who's fucking completely nuts and 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:39.280 he's gonna kill more black people, but you obviously don't 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.240 care about that. I'm gonna try to find this ship, 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:46.960 but they're letting people go with some crazy ship. Attempted murder, 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:49.919 all kind of ship. Thereeo is right there, you found it. 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:54.760 Illinois nonentertainable offenses beginning January first, two thousand twenty three. 0:20:55.240 --> 0:21:00.200 Aggravated battery, aggravated d u y, aggravated fleeing artis and burglary, 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:05.720 drug induced homicide, intimidation, kidnappering, robbery, second degree murder, threatening 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.680 a public official. So that means, now just imagined, I'm 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.439 a kid that has a living that bullshit. Anyway, a 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.000 guy comes into my house, he smacks my mom around, 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:17.240 he smacks my daddy around, steal some ship. We call 0:21:17.320 --> 0:21:20.000 the police, They come and grab this motherfucker. I go outside. 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.960 Six hours later, this ain't motherfucker's sitting across from me 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.560 drinking a beer. Yeah, what the fund is supposed to 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:27.479 have no mouth will blow this guy's brains up when 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:30.919 he comes to my house. Right, And with my point 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:35.040 is that they don't care because that kid is gonna 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.439 go not only to your mama now, she's gonna his 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:42.560 mama now. And they're both black people and they don't care. 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.399 Stop Stop that kid. You got a cop who puts 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:51.640 his knee on somebody, he does the wrong thing, Bury him. 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.040 You got a black guy who's doing that to black people. 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:56.760 Bury hi boy. He's gonna keep doing it. So you're 0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:00.080 giving him a more or less a license. Man, I 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:01.800 grew up a tough kid. If I had a fucking 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.600 license to go out and do anything I want, only 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:08.879 God knows what you would do. But we had. You know, 0:22:08.920 --> 0:22:12.320 you you're gonna go away for doing those things when 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:14.959 you take that away. You just gave this kid a 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:18.960 license to do what the funk he wants. Yeah, really, 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:21.879 it's crazy right now. Yeah, that's insane. I don't even know. 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:27.240 It's hard to answer that because it's politicians off the hook. 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.360 I mean, how could you be a politician and make 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:34.080 those lords. That means you don't care about those black 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:38.520 lives in Chicago? What what are the answer is there? 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:41.520 You don't care? Well, you know what I think needs 0:22:41.560 --> 0:22:44.639 to happen, Sammy um And I said this one is 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:48.920 young man lost his life. See, I have a son 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.120 that has worked very hard to get where he's at. 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.399 And ever since this kid was little, always see it 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:56.120 there that I want a big gold chain. He saw 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:58.160 a picture of two parts of corps. You know, kids 0:22:58.200 --> 0:23:01.200 are influenced by people they see. He saw Tuthpac when 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.000 he was a six year old kid. He told me, Dad, 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:05.120 I'm gonna get me a shame like that one day 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:08.720 and the first piece of little money he got went 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:10.879 out of bottom of Shane. No, he wasn't hanging out 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.520 in the neighborhood. He was at a super Bowl party 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:17.840 with other NFL players and you know these guys. He 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.400 walks out the club. Club guy comes, puts a gun 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:22.520