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Speaker 1: Before we get started, please rate and review our show

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Speaker 1: that helps people find us. On this episode of Sports

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Speaker 1: Illustrated Weekly, what a tree we have Cowboys Hall of

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Speaker 1: Famer Emmitt Smith, who joins me to tell stories about

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Speaker 1: the first time he was an s I, his iconic

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Speaker 1: cover shoot from the pool in his backyard, and frankly,

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Speaker 1: how he ruined my childhood fun conversation with a legend.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, John Gonzalez from Sports Illustrated and I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is Sports Illustrated Weekly. Ammt Smith. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Sports Illustrated Weekly. Thanks for doing this. Thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: Are you doing today? Doing excellent? So a couple of

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Speaker 1: I guess it was a couple of weeks ago, maybe

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Speaker 1: even a month ago. Now, you and I and Jerry

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Speaker 1: Rice and Dick Buccas did something similar for Twitter spaces.

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Speaker 1: But I want to want to run one of the

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Speaker 1: similar questions past you. You have Grace the cover of

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Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated many many times, but one of the most

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Speaker 1: iconic covers in Sports Illustrated history. I mean, you were

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Speaker 1: at the height of your powers, and so you are

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Speaker 1: in a pool, your pool, lounging on a float, just

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Speaker 1: the most reference covers in history. And I just wonder

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Speaker 1: what you remember about that and how that came about.

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Speaker 1: Obviously it was at the height of my career. We

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Speaker 1: second Super Bowl at that time. So and the blessing

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Speaker 1: of being knowns cover Sports Illustrated. Sports Illustrated at the

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Speaker 1: time was one of the biggest publications around, and every

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Speaker 1: every athlete wanted to be on the cover. And so

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Speaker 1: especially after you won a Super Bowl or led the

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Speaker 1: league in russ and it's something like of that nature,

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Speaker 1: it became an honor. And so Sports Illustrated wanted to

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Speaker 1: come out and shoot me doing an all season just

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Speaker 1: doing things around my house and so forth, just absolutely

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Speaker 1: just chilling our day in the life, if you will,

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Speaker 1: just archiving that way with the interview. And so they

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Speaker 1: wanted me to get into the pool, which I did,

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Speaker 1: and I happened to be on the floating and the

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Speaker 1: just shoot down and he said, oh, this is a

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Speaker 1: So he went upstairs at up top and starts shooting

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Speaker 1: down into the pool. I'm just floating around the pool,

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Speaker 1: my lit floating on and just relaxing, and there was

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Speaker 1: there's a shot. He got the shot he wanted. He

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Speaker 1: got the money shot. He got the money shot. I

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Speaker 1: think you're under selling it a little bit though, because

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Speaker 1: you're saying that you were just floating around in the pool.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the coolest things. I mean, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was too cool. I would imagine that your teammates

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Speaker 1: probably had something to say about this. Other people in

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Speaker 1: the league probably had something to say about it. I

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Speaker 1: bet you get asked about it a lot. Still here

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Speaker 1: it is an icond of photo for me. Is one

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Speaker 1: But it was like to swim suiting the issue from me.

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Speaker 1: So it definitely was. And now you also have new

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Speaker 1: Talk to us a little bit about that, why you

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Speaker 1: digital markets. So when the opportunity presented itself and the

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Speaker 1: would assume there's coffee in there, but I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: what's inside. What kind of content is in there? Uh,

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Speaker 1: rewards program with the International Bank of Pancakes, which means

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Speaker 1: corns can toll them to the number paining corns. We

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Speaker 1: a free meal, and so for conversational purposes, business purposes,

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Speaker 1: if you love breakfast food, if you love other kind

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Speaker 1: is twenty four hours and the food is very good.

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Speaker 1: So I like my pancakes pretty plain. I take a

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Speaker 1: you'll be sending me some pancakes. No, I wouldn't be,

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Speaker 1: you know, pancakes, but I will be sitting you a

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna run this past you. So during those

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Speaker 1: of your powers. You're playing exceptionally. At the same time

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Speaker 1: that that's happening, I was a kid and I was

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Speaker 1: to my Jerry Rice signed football. I'm gonna show you

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Speaker 1: as a Philadelphia Eagles football Yeah, Emt Smith. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to tell you. I've been thinking a lot about this

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Speaker 1: the Eagles so thoroughly. Well, you know what, Your apology

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Speaker 1: is accepted. Now you're supposed to apologize to me, you really,

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Speaker 1: I mean it was tough. Your apology is accepted because

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Speaker 1: you have accepted me now and you called them this

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Speaker 1: freak and it's hard to become Philadelphian free of a Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: So thank you. Then, I appreciate you recognizing my talent.

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Speaker 1: That's been something set apart from which you guys had

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Speaker 1: this is like a peace summit. We should have met

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Speaker 1: the same page on this one. Tell me what's going

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Speaker 1: on with your Cowboys and what you expect from them

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Speaker 1: this season. First and foremost, our Dallas Cowboys has never

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson left. That's one reason why we won that

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Speaker 1: our Dallas Cowboys, I think the country itself has moved

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Speaker 1: and shift to this participation generation. Everybody get a participation trophy.

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Speaker 1: Nobody earned their right when you become a Dallas Cowboy.

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Speaker 1: You participate as a Dallas Cowboys history of the organization,

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Speaker 1: but you haven't earned the right to put your footstep

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Speaker 1: on the history of the Dallas Cowboys. I think these

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Speaker 1: nineties team versus the current teams. And so it's been

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Speaker 1: twenty some years. Trust me, everybody's gonna celebrate you and

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Speaker 1: that place of being a champion, including myself, because that's

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Speaker 1: what I won't for you anyway. But until you get

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Speaker 1: Emmitt Smith, I love to hear you talk about what's

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