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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Best of the Week for What's Right

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Speaker 1: with Nick Right the best takes and moments from this

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Speaker 1: week on the show. Enjoy. My lifelong team made a

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Speaker 1: trade with my you know, off again on again NFC team,

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Speaker 1: the Rams. Let's get to it.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, The Chiefs traded probably one of their best players,

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Speaker 2: or their best player outside of Patrick Mahomes for a

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Speaker 2: nice hal of picks. Last time Kansas City did something

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Speaker 2: like this with Tybek Hill, they went on to make

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Speaker 2: three Super Bowls.

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Speaker 3: Do you find this to be a similar move?

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Speaker 1: So listen, I want to start on McDuffie. McDuffie's an

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Speaker 1: excellent player. I think he is a good sometimes because

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Speaker 1: of his size, struggles on the outside, but a good

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Speaker 1: outside corner and the single best slot corner in football.

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Speaker 1: I think he is the best in football at slot corner.

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Speaker 1: They drafted him as Demons, they mentioned they immediately went

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Speaker 1: to the next three Super Bowls. Mcduffee had startlets three four,

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Speaker 1: three two. Mcduffee won the first nine playoff games he

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Speaker 1: ever played in his and his rookie year they went

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Speaker 1: three and oh. His second year they went four and oh.

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Speaker 1: His third year they went two and oh. Until the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl when they got clocked by the Eagles. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: he was part of a historic draft class for the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs that set up this era of Chiefs football, particularly

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Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball. He was instantly

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Speaker 1: in All Pro. He's excellent, he will be very very

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Speaker 1: good for the Rams. Okay, nothing, and he's only he

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Speaker 1: was a young player coming out of college, so he's

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Speaker 1: played four years. He's only twenty five. He got a

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Speaker 1: little ding last year. He's durable, he's an excellent player,

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Speaker 1: and I the Rams. Let me add this to it, Demonse,

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Speaker 1: I think the Rams are more all in than any

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Speaker 1: team in the league, more than Buffalo, more than Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: because their quarterbacks got one maybe two years left. So

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Speaker 1: I think that the other teams with great quarterbacks have

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Speaker 1: to weigh trying to win the Super Bowl every year

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Speaker 1: with staying in contention for a long period of time.

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Speaker 1: The Rams don't have to weigh that. The Rams are like,

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Speaker 1: let's go for it right now while we have Matt

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Speaker 1: Stafford and figure out the play in post Stafford when

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Speaker 1: we're post Stafford. So I totally get this move from them,

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Speaker 1: And they got an excellent player at the single biggest

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Speaker 1: position of need for them makes sense. With that said,

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Speaker 1: I am so glad the Chiefs management still has the

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Speaker 1: stomach to do things like this because this is the

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Speaker 1: only way to stay in perpetual contention. There is only

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Speaker 1: one team ever that has done what the Chiefs are

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Speaker 1: trying to do, which is, for fifteen plus years, be

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Speaker 1: in the mix basically every single year. I understand last

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Speaker 1: year was a disaster, but at Week six of last season,

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs were the literal suit Super Bowl favorites, So

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Speaker 1: they didn't They obviously weren't. They didn't end up as

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Speaker 1: contenders last year, but the idea that last year was

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Speaker 1: destined to be a disaster year, they were the favorites

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Speaker 1: to win the whole thing right around Halloween and so

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Speaker 1: in order the only blueprint for that long of a

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Speaker 1: contending stretch is the Pats with Belichick and Brady and Bill.

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Speaker 1: Belichick made moves like this. He traded away Richard Seymour,

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Speaker 1: He would move on from guys when they got super expensive.

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Speaker 1: He would load up on draft picks and try to

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Speaker 1: restock the talent with young, cost controlled players. It's what

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Speaker 1: you have to do. And yes, the Chiefs are in

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Speaker 1: a different position than when they traded Tyrek. When they

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Speaker 1: traded Tyrek, they weren't coming off a six win season.

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Speaker 1: They also though when they traded Tyrek were not coming

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Speaker 1: They are as far removed from the three years before

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Speaker 1: leading into the Tyrek trade. They won a Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: they lost the Super Bowl. They lost in the AFC

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Speaker 1: Championship Game. The three years leading into this, they won

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl, they lost the Super Bowl. They had

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Speaker 1: a disaster year. The Tyrek trade netted them the twenty

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Speaker 1: ninth pick, a second rounder, two fourths, and a fifth.

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Speaker 1: This trade netted them the twenty ninth pick, a third rounder,

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Speaker 1: one fourth and a fifth, or as Ian Rappaport would

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Speaker 1: call it a basically fifth round value, exactly twenty nine

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Speaker 1: might have said, what they got here wrong. I did.

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Speaker 1: Actually they got the twenty ninth, a third, a fifth,

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Speaker 1: my apologies, but the by the draft charts they got

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Speaker 1: essentially this is maybe a better way to do it.

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Speaker 1: It's for people to understand. By the draft charts. They

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Speaker 1: got the equivalent for McDuffie of about the twentieth pick

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Speaker 1: the equivalent of about the fourteenth fifteenth pick of the draft.

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Speaker 1: So they got call it eighty percent of the value

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Speaker 1: for Trent McDuffie they got for Kill.

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Speaker 2: And the situation is so much more different though, considering

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Speaker 2: like the need of the team, like if the defense

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Speaker 2: is already having trouble generating our pressure, like trading away

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Speaker 2: your best cornerback, I think is.

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Speaker 1: I know, I understand this obviously for Week one of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six doesn't make the Chiefs better, That's obviously true,

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Speaker 1: But this was Trent McDuffie is about to become the

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Speaker 1: the outside. That already was going to be a bit

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Speaker 1: of a tough pill to swallow. But when you have

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Speaker 1: of the highest paid guards, and mahomes, you can't. You've

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Speaker 1: got to make these choices. And here is the reason

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Speaker 1: where I went from kind of expecting this move for

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs, and you know, coming to terms with it,

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Speaker 1: to being outright happy about it. Barnwell, in his off

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Speaker 1: season predictions column called this trade. He called McDuffie to

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Speaker 1: the Rams. I think a lot of people thought this

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Speaker 1: was possible, But Barnwell put what he thought the trade

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Speaker 1: would be Demandsey. He thought it would be McDuffie plus

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Speaker 1: a fifth from Kansas City for just the twenty ninth pick. Instead,

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Speaker 1: it was McDuffie by himself for the twenty ninth pick,

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Speaker 1: think they got such intents value that and the free

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Speaker 1: up of cap space of he was gonna make thirteen

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Speaker 1: gonna be thirty million a year to add other players?

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Speaker 1: I think you just have to make that move. It

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Speaker 1: also gives them real flexibility in the draft.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I do not think they're gonna move off that ninth pick,

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Speaker 1: but they are drafting now nine, twenty nine and forty,

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Speaker 1: and I would be surprised if they actually draft twenty

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Speaker 1: nine and forty. It should be noted they used the

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Speaker 1: twenty ninth pick from the Tyreek killtrade to move up

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Speaker 1: to twenty one or twenty two to draft Trent McDuffie,

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Speaker 1: and so I. Right now, the Chiefs have the six

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Speaker 1: best Super Bowl ups. That feels about right to me,

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Speaker 1: where you've got to see the health of Mahomes. But

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Speaker 1: they have the ability to go out in free agency

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Speaker 1: the team right now. And let me also say this,

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Speaker 1: because Jalen Watson, their other starting corner, seventh round pick,

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Speaker 1: of money by other people, by somebody else. This is

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Speaker 1: the one position on the team the Chiefs believe we

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Speaker 1: can just coach up. They had They had Marcus Peters,

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Speaker 1: they traded him to the Rams. They had Javarius Ward,

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Speaker 1: They had Lagarious Snead, they traded him to the Titans.

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Speaker 1: and they're letting Jalen Watson. And Jalen Watson got him

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Speaker 1: his proof of concepts. He was a seventh round pick

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Speaker 1: same year as Marcus Peters. He was starting at corner

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Speaker 1: as a seventh round rookie. They are letting him walk.

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Speaker 1: They have Noel Williams, who was a third rounder last year,

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to address secondary. But they think

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Speaker 1: coach them up. And what they have to get better

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Speaker 1: at is pass rush, running game, and pass catcher. It's

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Speaker 1: a lot, I understand, but I think the offensive line

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Speaker 2: It's like a little word coming out that Trent McDuffie

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Speaker 2: his hit would have been about the same as Kenneth

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Speaker 2: Walker next year.

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Speaker 3: Well it's about fourteen million.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing. He was Kenneth Walker's franchise tag

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Speaker 1: fourteen would be fourteen million. I think he'll probably sign

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Speaker 1: for around fourteen million. Yes, you're right. McDuffie was under

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Speaker 1: But that wasn't the problem. The problem was he was

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Speaker 1: thirty million a year on a new deal and what

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Speaker 1: and we'll get to the Bengals in a bit. What

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Speaker 1: immature franchises would do would just be like, well, thirteen

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Speaker 1: Let him play out his contract and then either franchise

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Speaker 1: tag him and then let him walk for nothing, or

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Speaker 1: after this year, let him walk for nothing. Instead, the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs were proactive, which you have to be if you

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Speaker 1: here's the other piece of it. You have to do.

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Speaker 1: Hit on these draft picks. In twenty twenty two, they

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Speaker 1: has a bunch of his own issues. So that happens.

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Speaker 1: But now, in order for the Chiefs to continue to

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Speaker 1: you know, what they make of these picks?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 1: I know you have some follow ups here, go ahead, the.

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Speaker 2: Soul just off of what you did say, Kansas City

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Speaker 2: has two First, what can they do with those picks?

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Speaker 3: Let's do a likely maybe what if on it?

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Speaker 1: So listen, I think it is likely that with their

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Speaker 1: the number nine pick, they address offensive skill position. I

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Speaker 1: think that's likely. I think that whether it's Jeremiah Love,

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Speaker 1: rich for me. But maybe the tight end, the number

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Speaker 1: one tight end that everybody loves. At nine, it feels high.

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Speaker 1: I think it is likely they do that at nine,

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Speaker 1: I am of the belief if Ruben Bain is there

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Speaker 1: at number nine, you've just got to take him. I

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Speaker 1: the short arms be damned, and it would be utterly

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Speaker 1: stunning to me if they use either of these first

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Speaker 1: that they are going to go wide receiver, running back,

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Speaker 1: maybe tight end, and defensive line. Those are the spots

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Speaker 1: that I think you are going to see those the

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Speaker 1: if he'll be there at nine. All right, I know

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Speaker 1: you want to talk Mahomes for a second.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So after the deal, Mahomes tweeted, damn, how much

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Speaker 2: are you reading into that? Do you think that was

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Speaker 2: just support for his teammate.

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Speaker 1: I'm stunned how many people are trying to convince themselves that,

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Speaker 1: So he's at best, the twentieth best quarterback in football,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's probably late for that, but I

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Speaker 1: Let me see if I can. He was the eighth

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Speaker 1: So this is just franchise malpractice. Two, You had Trey Hendrickson,

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Speaker 1: And to lose Trey Hendrickson for nothing's outrageous. Now I

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Speaker 1: He is. And Max Crosby is twenty eight. I should

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Speaker 1: with the Bengals, basically five year, twenty million ish dollar

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Speaker 1: deal after his rookie deal. If Trey wants one last

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00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: huge payday, he has earned it, and God bless him.

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Speaker 1: I do wonder if he might want to stick it

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Speaker 1: to the Bengals, And if he does, I think the Patriots,

435
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: the Bills, the Ravens, Ravens Yes, call yeah is particularly

436
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Speaker 1: the Ravens.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Like in the division, all four of those teams desperately

439
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: need pass rush help and be like, yeah, I'm sticking

440
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: around and I'm going to write for the Ravens twice

441
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: a year and for the other teams maybe if the

442
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: Bengals ever make the playoffs again. So I I've said

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00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: this for I'll say it again. There is a lot

444
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: of Burrow Sinsey that reminds me of Breeze New Orleans,

445
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: where right after he got there, they make it to

446
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: his Super Bowl. Breeze won, Burrow didn't, and then those

447
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: Saints went seven to nine three years in a row,

448
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: they missed the playoffs a lot, and then at the

449
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: tail end had it like a three to four year

450
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: period of super high contention again at the tail end

451
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: of Breeze's time, but never made another Super Bowl. Where

452
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: you are wasting big portions of this player's career even

453
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: though he is super highly productive, because you can't get

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00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball right. And that's a

455
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: damn shame, all right. Deman's couple of my pals have

456
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: a podcast together. It's called Game Over.

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00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: Yes.

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00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: One is my buddy Rich Paul, who you met and

459
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: hung out with a couple of weeks ago, and the

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00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: other is Max Kellerman, who I once didn't officially intern

461
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: for him, but I interned for the radio show before

462
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: his radio show and He and I haven't spent much

463
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: time together since we've come across each other a couple

464
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Speaker 1: of times. But I really like Max. Like I. I

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Speaker 1: have about as much respect for Max as anybody who

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Speaker 1: does what I do. And Jordan came up on their

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00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: latest pod. I'll let you take it from there.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, So the latest pod, Rich Paul Max Kellerman

469
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Speaker 2: said that if MJ played today, he would average a

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00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: forty point triple double. For a little bit of context,

471
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Speaker 2: Will is the only player ever to average forty in

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Speaker 2: a season, and only three players ever have averaged a

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Speaker 2: triple double.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so listen, I don't even care about the

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Speaker 1: triple double piece because Jordan, I do. I think averaging

476
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Speaker 1: a triple double today. Sure, maybe he almost did it

477
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: the one year he played point guard for the Bulls.

478
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: It can be done. Jordan obviously is a demonstrably better

479
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: player than Russ. Russ's averaged a bunch of triple doubles.

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00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: I I and so no problem the forty pointed game

481
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: thing with Jordan in today's game. Here's the problem. And

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Speaker 1: this is why I'm so stunned Max said it, because

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons I have so much respect for

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00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: Max it's kind of like arrogant. The reason I have

485
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 1: so much respect for Max because the guys have like

486
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: so much of me. Yes exactly, I'm like, man, that

487
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 1: guy's smart. I like how he makes arguments. A lot

488
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: of it is just he reminds me of myself. So

489
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: that's kind of a But regardless, Max very often in

490
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: his arguments, does what you've got to do if you're

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00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: gonna have a sound argument, which is tease it out

492
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: and realize the full implications of your argument, and the

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00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: full implications of Michael Jordan could average forty a game

494
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: are so then the guys who when Jordan was averaging

495
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: twenty nine averaged twenty eight, They would in today's game

496
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: be thirty eight thirty seven point a game. And the

497
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: guys today who are the best scorers back then would

498
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Speaker 1: be in the low twenties. So let's right, because it

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Speaker 1: can't only apply to Michael the nineties deflation and contemporary inflation.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's just grab some Michael Jordan seasons. So

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Speaker 1: if you're saying Michael Jordan in ninety two two, a

502
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: lot of people think that is peak Jordan, second Bowls Championship,

503
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: the best team he's he's got it all figured. He

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00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: averaged thirty point one points per game. Dominique Wilkins averaged

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Speaker 1: and Carl Malone both averaged exactly twenty eight. So nineteen

506
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Speaker 1: ninety two, Dominique Wilkins in today's game, we're giving him

507
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: thirty seven a night. I'm not Chris Mullen excellent player?

508
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: Was it twenty five and a half and he wasn't

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Speaker 1: even better of you know, a great shooter on you know,

510
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Speaker 1: three point shooter. Uh So, Chris Mullen's thirty five a

511
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: game in today's euro hard for me to you know,

512
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Speaker 1: hard for me to wrap my mind around. But that's

513
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: the implication. Ninety five, Michael was thirty two and a

514
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: half and Dominique was thirty, Carl Malone twenty seven. So

515
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Speaker 1: all those guys once again, they're gonna be in the

516
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Speaker 1: high to mid thirties in today's game. The next year,

517
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: by the way, when Michael was retired, David Robinson averaged

518
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Speaker 1: thirty a game. So in today's game, the Admiral is

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Speaker 1: thirty eight and a half a night. I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: But let's take it a step further and do the

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Speaker 1: best scores of this era, and what because what you're

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00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: saying is scoring is so much easier today that those

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Speaker 1: guys in Michael's era, when thirty was the high watermark

524
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: then and thirty is basically the high watermark now, those

525
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: guys would struggle. So you're telling me peak, okc Kevin Durant,

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Speaker 1: who never averaged more than thirty two a game, you

527
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Speaker 1: drop him into the nineties. He's a twenty four point

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Speaker 1: per game guy. That's what we're saying. Because if you're

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Speaker 1: saying you're gonna give a twenty five percent boost to

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Speaker 1: the scores of the nineties in today, then you've got

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Speaker 1: to take a twenty five percent tax on the scores

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Speaker 1: of today in the nineties. So peak Kevin Durant, if

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Speaker 1: he's dropped into nineteen ninety two, is looking up at

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Speaker 1: Chris Mullen and Clyde Drexler on the scoring list. I

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Speaker 1: don't think so, Okay, call me crazy.

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Speaker 3: He really probably is averaging forty at that time.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, I don't think that either, because it was

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00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: no just the game was slower, less possessions, it was

539
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: the it was harder. But maybe you think it wouldn't matter.

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00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: But the other thing that happens, and this is what

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Speaker 1: Max said, and this is just maddening, and I've talked

542
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: about this before. People pretend that the one weakness in

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Speaker 1: Michael's game three point shooting, was a weakness by choice, like, well,

544
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: if you wanted to be good, he would be good

545
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: as if he was shack and never shot, when in reality,

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Speaker 1: there was a brief stretch of time when Jordan was

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Speaker 1: a good three point shooter. Because of that, he shot

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Speaker 1: a lot of them for the era, and that period

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00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: was when they moved the line in, and as soon

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Speaker 1: as they moved the line back out, he went from

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Speaker 1: thirty seven percent shooting for a game, which was a

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Speaker 1: lot for the mid nineties, to twenty three percent shooting

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Speaker 1: one and a half a game. And then after he

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Speaker 1: had three years of retirement, seeing that, oh, guys are

555
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: shooting more and more threes and my athleticism isn't what

556
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: it once was, he came back and was a nice,

557
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: crisp nineteen percent three point shooter. Again. He might be

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Speaker 1: the greatest player of all time, there is a strong

559
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Speaker 1: argument for that, but the idea that he just chose

560
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Speaker 1: to be bad at something rather than it was the

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Speaker 1: one thing he wasn't great at. The idea that because

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Speaker 1: he took over seventeen hundred threes in his career. And

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Speaker 1: if you again, if you I'm trying to do should

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Speaker 1: have done this beforehand, but when in his career because

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Speaker 1: his career three point numbers don't actually look awful. It's

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Speaker 1: thirty two point seven, that's fine, But if you remove

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Speaker 1: the years where they moved the line in. So the

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Speaker 1: years where they moved the line in Michael from three

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Speaker 1: was thirty nine percent and the years where it was

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00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: the regular line was twenty nine percent. We don't have

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Speaker 1: to make stuff up. I'm not gonna sit here and say,

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Speaker 1: you know, if Lebron really wanted to, he'd be a

573
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Speaker 1: ninety percent free throw shooter. He just chooses not to be. No,

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Speaker 1: he just it's not as good as he is, as

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00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: hard as he works, it's not for him to be

576
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Speaker 1: a ninety percent free throw shooter. So, but again, if

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Speaker 1: you believe Michael Jordan would average forty in today's game,

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Speaker 1: then you must believe Dominique would average thirty eight and

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Speaker 1: peak Kevin Durant in the nineties would average like twenty three.

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Speaker 2: All right, so Jannis return from his five week hiatus

593
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: and lost to my Celtics. With no Jalen Brown, the

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Speaker 2: Bucks are currently three and a half games out of

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Speaker 2: the play in.

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Speaker 3: What is the goal for the Bucks at this point?

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Speaker 1: All Right, First, I do want to say this. I've

598
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: been very high on Jalen Brown and his MVP chances

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Speaker 1: and you know, giving him a lot of respect, I'm

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00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: now gonna say something totally unfair. His first team All

601
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: NBA slash MVP ballot consideration took a bit of a

602
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: hit last night. Just a tiny one. Not because he

603
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: missed the game, because the guy is basically an iron

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00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: man by today's NBA standards, but because he missed the

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Speaker 1: game and it was and it was just like Peyton

606
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: Pritchard's like, no problem, I got this. Hugo Gonzales like,

607
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Speaker 1: watch me throw up a plus twenty seven and thirty

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Speaker 1: five minutes. I was does I didn't know Hugo Gonzalez

609
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: had an eleven and sixteen in him, a Baylor's Shireman

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Speaker 1: with double All the starters were in double figures. They're

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Speaker 1: twenty to fifty from three, and they just annihilate the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: And again I should give a shout out to the

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Speaker 1: weirdest coach in the NBA, Joe Missoula, because he's cooking.

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00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: The guy's cooking. And so we'll get to more of

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Speaker 1: the Celtics piece in a moment. I do think the

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Speaker 1: end of this season will have at least some impact

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Speaker 1: on whether or not Yannis stays. So I think we

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Speaker 1: can all agree that the Bucks have no even if

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Speaker 1: they were to make the play in, have no shot

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Speaker 1: of doing any damage in the playoffs, and making the

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00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: play in is going to be hard because they're three

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Speaker 1: and a half back, having lost the last before Yannis

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Speaker 1: got back, and then last night's game, and the team

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00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: they're chasing, Charlotte, has been flatly an excellent team for

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Speaker 1: the last like six weeks, maybe close to two months.

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Speaker 1: So I think they are actually more likely if they

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Speaker 1: were to get in. I don't think it would be

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Speaker 1: because they catch Charlotte, who's the ten. It's because they

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Speaker 1: catch Atlanta, who's the nine. And that's gonna be hard.

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Speaker 1: They've played sixty games, They've got twenty two games left,

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Speaker 1: and they are three losses behind the Hawks, who are

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Speaker 1: on a little four game winning streak of their own.

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Speaker 1: And so the reason I mention even any of that

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00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: is Yannis, you know, doesn't. I don't think he wants

635
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: to leave, but I also don't think he wants to stay.

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00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: I think that he is he will wants to have

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00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: something that does not exist, the ability to stay in

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00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: Milwaukee forever and compete for championships in the remainder of

639
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: his prime, and that that is not a world that exists. However,

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Speaker 1: the fact that he has not yet forced himself out

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00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 1: of there means I don't think he is dead set

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00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: one hundred percent on leaving. And if Milwaukee could fight

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Speaker 1: its way into the play in play good basketball the

644
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Speaker 1: remainder of the season. Then maybe he doesn't force the

645
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 1: Bucks hand. Now there is a very strong argument to

646
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: be made he shouldn't have to force their hand that

647
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks leadership should say the best thing for

648
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: the franchise is to move on from you, Honis this

649
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: summer to see what if the Spurs have a disappointing postseason,

650
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: if the Rockets have a disappointing postseason, if the Thunder

651
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: have a disappointing postseason, what those teams would give us

652
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: four a guy who is still unequivocally a top five,

653
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: almost assuredly a top four. Very strong argument for a

654
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: top three player in the entire world. It seems like

655
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: neither party here really has the stomach Demond's to want

656
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: to be the one to officially pull the trigger on

657
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: a breakup. But I do wonder if if in the

658
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: final twenty three games of their season, the first of

659
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: which was last night, they go nine and fourteen and

660
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: finish the year thirty five and forty seven and you know,

661
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: tied with or right behind the Bulls for twelfth in

662
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference, if they don't say Okay, it's been

663
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: an amazing run. Jannie Is Yiannis has been there a

664
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: long time. Jannis came into the league in twenty thirteen,

665
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: which remarkably means this is his thirteenth year with Milwaukee.

666
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: Thirteen years with Milwaukee. That is like context on that

667
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: Lebron played fifteen with the Calves and the Heat combined

668
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: both Calves stins plus the Heat stint thirteen years with

669
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: a team is an unbelievable run. That's as many years

670
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: as Michael Jordan played with the Bulls thirteen years, and

671
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: so there is no he won a championship. It's been

672
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 1: an unbelievable career. But I do think that if the

673
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: Bucks go what would they have to go, probably in

674
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: their final twenty two If they go twelve and eight

675
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 1: and get to thirty eight and forty two, No, that

676
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't be it.

677
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 3: Hold on what am I?

678
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: Oh? They have twenty two left, not twenty left? Sorry.

679
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: If they go thirteen and nine and get to thirty

680
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 1: nine and forty three and catch Atlanta and make the play,

681
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: I wonder if they run it back one more year,

682
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: which I think would just be a mistake for all

683
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: parties involved.

684
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: Do you think a bad postseason would be or a

685
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 2: bad ended season would be more eye opening for Giannis

686
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 2: or the Bucks front office.

687
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: I think the Bucks front office has basically decided we're

688
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: only trading him if he tells us to trade him.

689
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 1: I don't think that's necessarily the right thing to way

690
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: to do it, but I think that's that's what they've decided.

691
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: So I guess the answer would be for Yannis. All right,

692
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: let's talk Celtics on this.

693
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 2: Uh So, Yeah, that Tatum return is looking likely. Looks

694
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: like it's coming later this week actually, And he was

695
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 2: talking to the doctor and saying he's not coming back

696
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 2: to be a role player. How deep are you reading

697
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: into that or where do you.

698
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 3: See it from?

699
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: This? So that clip, correct me if I'm wrong, is

700
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: from very early in his rehab. It was just released,

701
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: but it was from very early in his rehab. So

702
00:50:54,680 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: I think what Tatum is saying to the doctor is

703
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: is we need you know this process.

704
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 3: Well I don't.

705
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: So I don't think I think people are That's not

706
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: how I read it. I don't think Jason Tatum is

707
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: saying the day I come back, I need to be

708
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 1: Jason Tatum. That everybody knows. I think what Jason Tatum

709
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: is saying, I need to rehab in a way so

710
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: that once I'm all the way back, rust is off.

711
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: I've played, you know, once I am back to whatever

712
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: the peak version of me is, it's the same as

713
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: the version from before the injury. Do you do you

714
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: understand the distinction there?

715
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:45,879
Speaker 3: No, get I get it.

716
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: So I think he's saying we need to approach this

717
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: rehab so that at some point, not immediately, but at

718
00:51:55,160 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: some point it's like Kevin Durant, where you see no

719
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: difference in the player pre and post achilles on a

720
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: long enough time horizon that we are not you know,

721
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,479
Speaker 1: I will you know, mix metaphors massively here. You tore

722
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: your achilles is different type of Achilles tear, and you

723
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: actually didn't have surgery, and one of the things they

724
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: told you flatly was if you don't have surgery, you

725
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: will never regain one hundred percent of the athleticism you

726
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: had before. You're not a pro athlete. And you know

727
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: what I mean, you were, you know, you were like,

728
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: that's fine. I think what Jason Tatum is saying, we

729
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: need to approach this rehab so at some point I

730
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: am one hundred percent of the guy I was before,

731
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: and go ahead.

732
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: And say that he like, given where the Celtics are

733
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: right now and when he is going to be coming back,

734
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 2: that he is more likely to be a role player

735
00:52:59,440 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: than not.

736
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: I think he will definitively. So I think he's coming

737
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: back in the next ten days, right, the next ten

738
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: to fourteen days. I think he obviously will be a

739
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: role player for the first month. Yeah, but if he

740
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: does come back in the next week to ten days,

741
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: you know, week to two weeks. And Simmons said he

742
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: thinks he's coming back Friday, and Simmon's pretty plugged in

743
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: with the Celtics obviously, I think that gives him enough

744
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: of a runway to where he can be by the

745
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: time the playoffs start, not his not peak Tatum if

746
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: he comes back in March. I do not think he'll

747
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: be peak Tatum until the beginning of next season. But

748
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: there is a big golf between peak Tatum and role player.

749
00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: Peak Tatum was first team All NBA, you know, six,

750
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: seventh best player in the league, right right, So I

751
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: think by the playoffs he could be backed. He could

752
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: be the twenty fifth best player in the league, you know,

753
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: like that, and then maybe by midway through the playoffs

754
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: approaching that top fifteen. And maybe that's too optimistic, But

755
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: do I think that Jason Tatum, you know, do you

756
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: look at Derek White as a role player, I don't.

757
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: I look at him as a little bit somewhere between,

758
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: like a step above roll step below Star. Yeah, so

759
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: like and I guess maybe there's not a name for that,

760
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: So maybe that is a role player, like just a

761
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: high quality starter. So I think it's like Superstar star,

762
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: high quality starter, role player, bench player, you know, and

763
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: then one down.

764
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 3: That's fair.

765
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 1: I think when I think the day Tatum comes back,

766
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 1: he's a role player, I think within a few weeks

767
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: he will be high quality starter. And I think his

768
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: goal would be by round two of the playoffs, be

769
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: a star and get back to Superstar next season. And

770
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: I think that's realistic. I think the fact that he

771
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: had surgery within hours of the injury, that he has

772
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: been everything seemingly has been going great, I think that

773
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 1: is realistic. And I just I've tried to dead this before,

774
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 1: but I just want to reiterate it here. I think

775
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 1: any discussion about Tatum disrupting what the Celtics have going

776
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: is to utter nonsense, not because he won't at least

777
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 1: temporarily potentially disrupt what they have going. I think he will,

778
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 1: but I think what they have going is worth nothing

779
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: for a team that has championship aspirations. What they have

780
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: going right now is a really good season and an

781
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: awesome story that has no chance of resulting in a championship.

782
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: And so you can disrupt that and it's fine if

783
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: at the end of the disruption.

784
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 2: So so, Jason Tatum was on the Celtics last year

785
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: and he's been on the tea.

786
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 3: He's also not a new guy.

787
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's the guys haven't played with him. That's it.

788
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: But I would I would almost again all mix metaphors here,

789
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: and this won't really work. But if midway through NASCAR race,

790
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 1: uh car is leading and you know, like appears just

791
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: by that snapshot of time or near the front that

792
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: they could win it. Yeah, but the the people in

793
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: the again mixing metaphors on shaky ground for me, but

794
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: just stick with me. The people in the the pit

795
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: crew and the spot are like, oh man, our front

796
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: right tire is wobbly, and it's at some point in

797
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: this race it's going We're gonna lose it, right, it

798
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: does not disrupt your ability to win the race by

799
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: taking your medicine, pitting, falling a little back in the

800
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 1: pack and fixing that, because fixing that is a necessity

801
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: to have any chance of actually completing the race. That's

802
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: what I would say Tatum coming back is you know.

803
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: All your ceiling is broken tire right, but now.

804
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: Right, what the Celtics are right now is it's not fake,

805
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: but it is not championship caliber. And so even if

806
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: the first few weeks with Tatum or Rocky that gives

807
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: you a chance to become championship caliber. And so I

808
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: I I also think.

809
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 3: That does Jason Tatum get to be Jordan Love this year?

810
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: What does that mean?

811
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: Well, you're just talking about how if Jordan Loved this

812
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: year over this season, he had the team, the complete team.

813
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 2: As long as he can just be there and not

814
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 2: mess up in a huge way, they should be a

815
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: super Bowl team. Michael Parsons obviously got injured in a

816
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: little derailed, but I saw some similarities there.

817
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 1: So I think that's interesting. I'm trying to think if

818
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: there's another comp that I would have for it, because

819
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: we don't have many examples of a team who all

820
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 1: of a sudden is going to drop in this late

821
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: in the season, a guy who objectively has been and

822
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: is their best player, with hopes of winning the title.

823
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 3: Right already there.

824
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so it's very fascinating. This is also where

825
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: Tatum is a bit of a victim of his own rehab.

826
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 1: And I've talked about this. I'll move on after this.

827
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: If Tatum just had a regular rehab schedule and there

828
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: was no chance he was coming back this year, I

829
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: think this Celtics playoff run would have reminded the world

830
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: how valuable he is to that team that this Celtics season,

831
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: when if he never came back, it it ended in

832
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: round two in the playoffs. Now, I understand last year

833
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: it also ended in round two in the playoffs, but

834
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: in previous years we'd seen the team win the title,

835
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: make a bunch of conference finals, making NBA Finals. It

836
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: would as good as Jalen Brown has been, as good

837
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: as Missoula has been, as good as the team has been,

838
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: remind folks that in order to be able to win

839
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 1: sixteen playoff games, held to win twelve playoff games, there's

840
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: a requisite talent level that I don't think the Celtics

841
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: without Jason Tatum have but it doesn't look like we're

842
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: gonna see a playoff run without Jason Tatum because I

843
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: think he'll be back by the time I get back

844
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: from Japan. Again, reminder, no shows next week. We are

845
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 1: doing Thursday, but no shows next week because I'll be

846
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: in Japan. I think that Jason Tatum's back playing ball

847
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: with the Celtics.