Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, welcome to meet tadcast.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the June twelfth episode of Meat Eater Radio Live.
Speaker 2: It's eleven am Mountain time here in Bozeman. That's one
Speaker 2: pm on the outer banks of North Carolina, where my
Speaker 2: family is currently enjoying vacation without me. Yep, they're having
Speaker 2: fun on the beach. I'm your host, Brody Henderson. I'm
Speaker 2: joined today by Seth Morris and Corey Calkins. Today it's
Speaker 2: almost Father's Day, man, so we're gonna share some hunting
Speaker 2: stories about our dads. That'll be fun. We're going to
Speaker 2: talk to fishing guy Josh Miller, who tried to get
Speaker 2: on the show a couple of weeks ago. I think
Speaker 2: about his first mate rider right here, the turkey. I
Speaker 2: don't know what that turkey's name is. We'll figure that
Speaker 2: part out. And since we're running the voting right now
Speaker 2: for our twenty twenty six Fucked Up Old Hunting Trucks calendar,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about some bad situations we've gotten
Speaker 2: into in our hunting trucks. And on top of that,
Speaker 2: we're going to interview an actual four wheel drive truck
Speaker 2: driving expert, someone who teaches people how to drive four
Speaker 2: wheel drive trucks. I'm not sure what his credentials are,
Speaker 2: but he's a good guy, so we'll figure that part
Speaker 2: out too. Yeah, that's what we've got for. It should
Speaker 2: be a good show. What's up? How's it going, Fellas? Oh?
Speaker 3: Going good? Yeah, it's going good. Yeah.
Speaker 4: What have you been up to?
Speaker 3: I just got back from Interior, Alaska on the bear
Speaker 3: hunt with a lot of bear, a lot of bear hunting. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's my second Alaska bear hunt of the year, right,
Speaker 3: you got a Yeah, one in southeast and one in interior.
Speaker 2: Much different style of hunting for those like could Yeah,
Speaker 2: two different planets basically, yep. But yeah it was good cool, Yeah,
Speaker 2: watching some bears die and saw some beautiful country. Sweet.
Speaker 5: See any other critters up there?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So saw wolves, grizzly bears, caribou, moose, doll, sheep, wow,
Speaker 3: a porcupine, a marmot and I think.
Speaker 4: That's it man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Corey, what have you been doing working man?
Speaker 5: Yeah, lots of work and I've been fly fishing a
Speaker 5: lot more this year. I was a well, I was
Speaker 5: a guide for fifteen years and when I retired from guiding,
Speaker 5: started this job. I didn't really want to do it anywhere.
Speaker 5: I kind of lost the dress.
Speaker 2: The same thing happened to me after whatever eighteen twenty
Speaker 2: years a guide and I just I just lost the
Speaker 2: drive to go fish on my own.
Speaker 3: That's what everyone says. I think the same thing happened
Speaker 3: with the honest too.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, maybe, but it's but it's back, man. This year,
Speaker 5: I've been fishing quite a bit.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 5: Fishing is good right now at the moment. It seems
Speaker 5: like it's gonna dry up come late summer. But fish
Speaker 5: it now and going out, meeting up with my old
Speaker 5: man this weekend. Go fish the Missouri.
Speaker 2: So nice with everyone else in the state of Montana.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hopefully they're going somewhere else.
Speaker 2: I don't know, dude. That river is always busy, but
Speaker 2: there's so many trout it doesn't matter exactly.
Speaker 5: And you just kind of if everybody's fishing the right bank,
Speaker 5: fish the left bank, or the middle, well wherever the
Speaker 5: fisher bikeing. Yeah, there's a lot of fish forer a
Speaker 5: mile in there.
Speaker 2: So how about you, oh man gardening. My family's out
Speaker 2: of town, you know, like when your family goes out
Speaker 2: of town, you're like, oh god, it's gonna be great.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have this house to myself. It's gonna be quiet.
Speaker 2: I'll get stuff done. But then they leave and you're like, God,
Speaker 2: I miss them. I'm bored. I'm getting some stuff done,
Speaker 2: but I do miss him. Well, we'll start hitting the
Speaker 2: fishing hard after the boys get back here this weekend. Nice. Yeah, Phil,
Speaker 2: we got we got old Danny Bolton on the line.
Speaker 4: Danny's standby, I yes.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Well, let's jump right in to our first guest, Danny Bolton.
Speaker 2: You guys probably seen him on the Mediator television show.
Speaker 2: He's done some stuff with cal To. He's been a
Speaker 2: friend of Mediator for several years. If you don't know him,
Speaker 2: Danny Haile's from Hawaii. He spends a lot of his
Speaker 2: time shooting arrows into feral pigs and sheep, and he
Speaker 2: spends a lot of time hol in tuna and wahou
Speaker 2: into the boat. But we've got him on the show
Speaker 2: today to talk about his job training folks how to
Speaker 2: drive four wheel drive rigs, and we're gonna pick his
Speaker 2: brain about what not to do when you're off road
Speaker 2: in your truck around, especially during hunting season. So we
Speaker 2: got him up here there he is, Danny. How's it going, man,
Speaker 2: that's good.
Speaker 6: How are you guys?
Speaker 3: Great? Great?
Speaker 2: What have you been up too lately?
Speaker 6: Did hey did a little storm chasing just recently, flew
Speaker 6: out to Kansas, drove all over the country, well not
Speaker 6: all over the country, but all over like through storm zones,
Speaker 6: and actually got to see my first tornado.
Speaker 3: Oh nice, dude, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: You don't get too many of those in WAYI huh.
Speaker 6: No, definitely don't get too many. I've seen like one
Speaker 6: little baby water spout one time, but not a full tornado.
Speaker 2: Nice. Did you have a special truck, like one of
Speaker 2: those big storm chasing trucks you were using for that?
Speaker 6: Or yeah, dude, you wouldn't believe it. My my friend
Speaker 6: Ricky is like that that they live for it. And
Speaker 6: he's got this big old orange truck, all the lights underglow,
Speaker 6: all the you know, like pretty much typical storm chasing thing,
Speaker 6: all kinds of antennas coming off of it. So got
Speaker 6: to do that with him, which was super fun. And then, dude,
Speaker 6: it's just like the movies, like pull to a gas station.
Speaker 6: There's like thirty other storm chasers all amp for the
Speaker 6: storm coming in and some crazy rigs I talk about
Speaker 6: talking about messed up old trucks, dude. Yeah, there were
Speaker 6: some crazy stuff there with like all kinds of like
Speaker 6: metal welded to it and you know, just like mad
Speaker 6: math stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty funny. That's cool.
Speaker 2: Okay, Danny, Like we've we've done some four wheel drive
Speaker 2: stuff with you in the past a little bit anyway,
Speaker 2: But give us a quick rundown of like your driving
Speaker 2: instruction job and how you got into it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll just give you a quick rundown. I guess
Speaker 6: I just grew up just off road all the time,
Speaker 6: started to play on quads and dirt bikes, and then
Speaker 6: just always had kind of beat up old trucks that
Speaker 6: we could ramble around in, and even before I had
Speaker 6: my driver's license. And then I have two older cousins
Speaker 6: that I rode dirt bikes with and they had enough
Speaker 6: money and had jobs, so they were like building trucks.
Speaker 6: So then started building trucks and that got us into
Speaker 6: offered racing. When I moved out of Hawaii after high school,
Speaker 6: started racing desert stuff, and that's kind of what got
Speaker 6: me into like the major side of off road and
Speaker 6: offered racing and then my friend does all the training.
Speaker 6: So I've actually partnered with him now and we're business
Speaker 6: together to train a bunch of people, mainly military, So
Speaker 6: mainly military to basically how to drive off road and
Speaker 6: then if the thing breaks, how to fix it if
Speaker 6: you get stuck, how to get unstuck. All the little
Speaker 6: things that you know you find out there in the
Speaker 6: desert or wherever you are, what's going to break it,
Speaker 6: similar to what would break when you're hunting, and just
Speaker 6: how to fix it. Just all those little little secrets
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 2: I would imagine based on my own experience getting stuck
Speaker 2: and whatnot, that one of the biggest mistakes people make
Speaker 2: when they're driving around a rough country is just like
Speaker 2: not turning around when they should, not recognizing like stopping
Speaker 2: is the best thing to do, and then you'll just
Speaker 2: avoid getting yourself in a real bad situation. But what
Speaker 2: are like some of the main most common mistakes people
Speaker 2: make when they're driving in bad conditions like washed out roads, snow, mud,
Speaker 2: whatever it might be.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you kind of hit the nail on
Speaker 6: the head. Is just like your brain right, like be
Speaker 6: grow self aware of where you're at and you know,
Speaker 6: I've gone down stuff that I couldn't get back up
Speaker 6: and ended up being a dead end and it was
Speaker 6: a mission. We did get back up, but like just
Speaker 6: knowing your situation, knowing your gear, and I would say
Speaker 6: the most common things, and most people can probably relate
Speaker 6: to this is most likely flat tires and then just
Speaker 6: getting stuck. I would say, you know, out of all
Speaker 6: the crazy fixes that I've done out in the field,
Speaker 6: broken assholes, change transmission, all these crazy things, getting stuck
Speaker 6: and just flat tires are probably the two most common things.
Speaker 6: And you need to be able to fix your vehicle
Speaker 6: or get it on stuffed. So you know, just having
Speaker 6: a shovel and then checking your equipment before you go,
Speaker 6: checking your spare tire makes your ass air in it.
Speaker 6: Make sure it's the correct spare. I've I've had a
Speaker 6: truck where I got a flat and we pull out
Speaker 6: the spare and it was the wrong lug nut pattern.
Speaker 6: So make sure your jack is working.
Speaker 2: YEA, yeah, I was gonna ask you, like, what, like,
Speaker 2: what are the things you like have to have in
Speaker 2: your truck when you're like anytime you're gonna be leaving
Speaker 2: the pavement, Like, what thing what's on your list?
Speaker 3: Is stuff?
Speaker 2: Everyone should have in their in their truck.
Speaker 6: You got to keep it real simple without sending people
Speaker 6: way down the rabbit hole. But I would have make
Speaker 6: sure your jack is working. Most cars and trucks come
Speaker 6: with a jack stock, so that that's fine. Just make
Speaker 6: sure you have your jack and all the little pieces
Speaker 6: you need to use your jack, and then also your
Speaker 6: spare tire. Make sure you have a spare tire and
Speaker 6: a lugnut ranch and then all the little pieces you
Speaker 6: need to get your spare down to. Usually it's the
Speaker 6: same thing that you use for your jack. And then
Speaker 6: I would say a shovel. If you're going off road,
Speaker 6: like to go camp or go hunt or something, just
Speaker 6: bring a shovel. And then a little toe rope like
Speaker 6: a toe strap would be amazing. But to keep it
Speaker 6: very simple, I would say, out of those things, you
Speaker 6: can get yourself out of a lot of trouble.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about those you know those plastic things you
Speaker 2: lay down on the ground attraction board? Do you use
Speaker 2: those at all?
Speaker 3: Very rarely?
Speaker 6: They come in handy and if you're planning on getting
Speaker 6: stuck a lot, they're cool to have, But honestly, like
Speaker 6: if you're trying to keep it simple. You don't really need.
Speaker 3: It, Like, so.
Speaker 4: Hickup here, I think we actually lost connection here and.
Speaker 2: Oh there he is. We lost you there for like
Speaker 2: a little less than a minute. So I don't know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I would say they just just you don't
Speaker 6: You don't need them. You can find other stuff to
Speaker 6: throw down that whole rocks, sagebrush whatever. I don't really
Speaker 6: carry them.
Speaker 2: So what you're telling me is wasting my money on mine.
Speaker 6: No, if you have them, If you have them, and
Speaker 6: when it comes time to use them, you're gonna love them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I've used him a couple of times.
Speaker 5: You're supposed to have him like on top of your truck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bright orange ones. Everyone can see him.
Speaker 5: That's the thing.
Speaker 2: How about uh, how about like towing campers or four
Speaker 2: wheeler trailers, anything like any tips there or just like
Speaker 2: anything people.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd say the two things about towing stuff in
Speaker 6: is just know what you're towing and like where it is,
Speaker 6: because you don't want to get that thing twisted up
Speaker 6: or stuck. And then you're also pulling a lot more weight.
Speaker 6: So if you're going up super technical stuff, you're you're
Speaker 6: putting more stress on all your equipment. On your truck
Speaker 6: because you're pulling this extra weight, and I have seen
Speaker 6: axle snap and drive shafts and you joints and stuff
Speaker 6: go out. So I just know, since you're pulling that
Speaker 6: extra weight, you just kind of got to account for it,
Speaker 6: and then obviously backing it up like you want to
Speaker 6: get it. You know, you don't want to get in
Speaker 6: the spot where you're having a backup for a mile,
Speaker 6: and especially if it's a small trailer of the things
Speaker 6: like twisting around on you.
Speaker 2: Earlier, we showed a picture you haul those moose out
Speaker 2: from a couple of years ago. Yeah, is that like
Speaker 2: the kind of the HAIRYUS four wheel drive and experience
Speaker 2: you've you've ever been in?
Speaker 6: Uh, definitely not.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we never even flipped it over on
Speaker 6: that one, like it never it never even ended up
Speaker 6: upside down. But that was a long one and it
Speaker 6: just the the waight of the situation with having you know,
Speaker 6: all that meat and trying to get out like we
Speaker 6: we went in the first part of the season and
Speaker 6: then when we shot those moose was the last day
Speaker 6: of the season. So I remember when we were broken
Speaker 6: down and this this ship was crazy. We ended up
Speaker 6: shooting to mooses, moose missus and uh bulls. We shot
Speaker 6: two bulls, and so we had to get all this
Speaker 6: meat out and we ended up breaking the belts on
Speaker 6: those are kind of known to go and we had
Speaker 6: already gone through our spare. We brought a spare and
Speaker 6: I had already gone through it, and then we had
Speaker 6: to stick go through the radiator and we had to
Speaker 6: totally fix that whole situation. So crimp that all down
Speaker 6: and get that all fixed. But while we're fixing that,
Speaker 6: there was a river nearby, and I remember watching the
Speaker 6: last jet boat basically go down the river because there's
Speaker 6: there's no reason to be back there unless you're moose hunting.
Speaker 6: And it was the last day of the season, and
Speaker 6: I remember watching that last boat go by and like
Speaker 6: knowing that that was probably our last person that was
Speaker 6: going to be out there. And if we couldn't get
Speaker 6: that thing fixed, we were nine miles at that point
Speaker 6: from the road, so hiking like all that meat to
Speaker 6: the road was going to be almost impossible. So we
Speaker 6: had to get that thing fixed, and yeah, it was,
Speaker 6: It was. It was an amazing trip. We ended up
Speaker 6: getting the thing fixed and getting out and took took
Speaker 6: a while though it took us four Adyce missed my flight, So.
Speaker 2: That's all right. You got a couple of giant bulls.
Speaker 2: It's okay, all right. One last question, Danny, what would
Speaker 2: your like kind of ideal four wheel drive hunting rig, Like,
Speaker 2: what would it be and how would you have it
Speaker 2: set up? Like would you have a topper on there camper? Like,
Speaker 2: just kind of give us a rundown of what your
Speaker 2: rig would look like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no problem. Basically I probably have a mid sized truck.
Speaker 6: Full size gets a little big to where you know
Speaker 6: you're having trouble making tight corners and stuff maneuver and
Speaker 6: ended up like bottom, So like a Tacoma Ford Ranger
Speaker 6: or something more in the mid size range. And then
Speaker 6: I can just tell you what I have like in
Speaker 6: the mainland, Like I have a toylet of Tacoma, and
Speaker 6: then I have a deck system in the back stores everything,
Speaker 6: lock it up, and then I have a go fast
Speaker 6: camp on top, which is like a just a camper
Speaker 6: that has a tent on top of it. You don't
Speaker 6: necessarily need the tent on top of it. You could
Speaker 6: just tent camp, which is fine, but having some way
Speaker 6: to enclose the back so that you don't have to
Speaker 6: worry about rain and mud and all that stuff would
Speaker 6: be amazing. And then honestly, a stock rig nowadays is
Speaker 6: pretty awesome. Like if you can fit like thirty two
Speaker 6: thirty three inch tires, and most some of the new
Speaker 6: stock trucks you could fit thirty threes on just having
Speaker 6: bigger tires because everybody's all these lifts and all this stuff. Well,
Speaker 6: you're putting all this stuff on so that you can
Speaker 6: put bigger tires on so that your fenders don't rub
Speaker 6: and you're suspension kind of move. But the bigger tires
Speaker 6: is what's giving you more ground clearance, and that's kind
Speaker 6: of what you're shooting for. And you can't really beat
Speaker 6: stock suspension. Like the amount of money that manufacturers put
Speaker 6: into their geometry is huge compared to aftermarket stuff. So
Speaker 6: just a stalk mid sized truck with a little bit
Speaker 6: bigger tires probably some like I have be a good
Speaker 6: rich all terrains and if you know, you're just gonna
Speaker 6: be into muddy stuff, so like much rains a little
Speaker 6: bit better for that, but I have alterrains and then yeah,
Speaker 6: that's that's basically it.
Speaker 4: And i'd have a.
Speaker 6: I got a shovel in there, I got a jack,
Speaker 6: I got all my tools. Bring tools. Make sure you
Speaker 6: have all the right tools that you need. I got
Speaker 6: toe straps and I got a winch on it. So
Speaker 6: it's got rear bumper, front bumper. The rear bumper is
Speaker 6: cool because you can pull harder on it, and if
Speaker 6: you drag something, it's not as big as you're not
Speaker 6: tearing up your stock bumper. But the front bumper holds
Speaker 6: the winch, which I can get myself out of a
Speaker 6: lot of situations. And I don't need another rig there.
Speaker 6: And yeah, that's that's basically it. It's, i mean, fairly simple,
Speaker 6: but I definitely have everything I need to get myself out.
Speaker 2: Cool. Well, it was great talking to Danny. Hopefully we'll
Speaker 2: see you here in a couple of weeks in Montana.
Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely, I miss you guys.
Speaker 3: All right, it's good to see you.
Speaker 2: Good to see you too. Thanks a lot, man.
Speaker 3: Thanks Danny. Hey, boys, are.
Speaker 2: We doing more truck stuff here in this next second? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Throwback Thursday, Phil So back on.
Speaker 1: A Thursday, Mom, Stephen Brody, take me back to nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy four.
Speaker 2: Throw back. I can't believe it did. I mentioned Stephen
Speaker 2: Brodie old as shit.
Speaker 7: I like, if I can play that, that's my favorite one.
Speaker 2: You're going, Phil, who broke this? Mic man? It's just
Speaker 2: it's never right Spencer.
Speaker 7: Spencer and Randall love to fidget with it when they're
Speaker 7: in the seat, so I mean it was probably one
Speaker 7: of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: If I had to throw anyone under the bus here,
Speaker 4: great good. I apologize.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Throw back Thursday, fellas. Uh, we're looking back today at
Speaker 2: uh some some close your ears kids, We're gonna look
Speaker 2: look back today at some fucked up situations we've been
Speaker 2: in in our hunting trucks. So set you're up first.
Speaker 4: Cool bringing it up here, seth on Seck.
Speaker 3: Take your time, phil Ah, here we go. Oh boy.
Speaker 3: This was south of the border in Mexico two three
Speaker 3: years ago. Hunted all week long, no rain, and then
Speaker 3: the day before we leave it just lets loose and pours,
Speaker 3: which it doesn't oftentimes it doesn't rain like that. Down there.
Speaker 3: We had like a crappy rental vehicle and then one
Speaker 3: of the guys we were with, Matt Cook, he drove
Speaker 3: a truck down hauling a couple side by sides and
Speaker 3: this ranch we were on had a pretty crappy road
Speaker 3: going into it, and of course it rains and we
Speaker 3: had to get up early that next morning to get
Speaker 3: back across the border to catch a flight to fly
Speaker 3: back to Montana. Well, on our way out, still dark out,
Speaker 3: as you can see, we get everything stuff and the
Speaker 3: truck gets stuck. The rental vehicle gets stuck. So Matt's
Speaker 3: truck has two side by sides. He's as stuck as
Speaker 3: he could be, and we're in a spot where there's
Speaker 3: like no way you could turn around or like, off
Speaker 3: to our left it was a steep drop off, so
Speaker 3: if he was to roll go off that he would
Speaker 3: just roll. To our right was a steep bank. They're
Speaker 3: just like and we're on a turn too, so there's
Speaker 3: like not a whole lot you could do. We couldn't
Speaker 3: get a vehicle past it to try and pull it.
Speaker 3: It was a disaster. So our first thing we did
Speaker 3: was we need to get some weight off the trailer,
Speaker 3: so we pulled the side by sides off, and in
Speaker 3: the process of doing that, Jason Phelps was with us.
Speaker 3: He hops in one and as he's driving it off
Speaker 3: the trailer, I don't know what the hell happened. But
Speaker 3: he ends up on the side.
Speaker 2: He rolls the thing so like down off the bank.
Speaker 3: No in the so he was like, yeah, he was
Speaker 3: backing it off the trailer and like I don't know
Speaker 3: if you hit the throt a little too hard, but
Speaker 3: like hit the bank on the right side that's super steep. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and just kind of went right like backed up it
Speaker 3: and just slipped it right over. So now we got
Speaker 3: two truck, two stuck vehicles and rolled over side by
Speaker 3: side and the middle of the road.
Speaker 5: That's when you want to just go to bed all the.
Speaker 3: Day, like, let's try this again tomorrow. But yeah, I
Speaker 3: think there's another photo there, Phil, Yeah, there's there's the
Speaker 3: you can see Jason in the cab of the side
Speaker 3: by side standing up. But yeah, it was just a
Speaker 3: kind of a shit show of the morning. We finally
Speaker 3: got everything, you know, we rolled that back over and
Speaker 3: then I think we might have remember we might have
Speaker 3: somehow gotten side by side around the truck and pulled
Speaker 3: it out with that. I don't remember exactly. We ended
Speaker 3: up getting out the situation and made it back Sure
Speaker 3: to America. You're here, We're here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, look at the grease on those tires.
Speaker 3: Oh it was so it was like it was almost
Speaker 3: like gumbo mud really up here in Montana. Sticky, sticky,
Speaker 3: slimy mud. Oh wow, but yeah, that's my story of
Speaker 3: getting a truck stuck clip in the side by side
Speaker 3: Wow top that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, no problem, No, that's that sounds really scary. Let's see.
Speaker 5: I used to own a two thousand and one Toyota
Speaker 5: Tacoma by far, my favorite truck I'll ever own, probably,
Speaker 5: But when I started guiding fly fishermen, it wasn't quite
Speaker 5: big enough. So I upgraded to a Tundra, which I'll
Speaker 5: one day go back to the Tacoma. But there's a
Speaker 5: photo of it right there, two thousand and one Tacoma.
Speaker 5: They don't make them like that anymore.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: And then I when I was when I upgraded to
Speaker 5: the Tundra, I sold that truck to my hunting outfitter,
Speaker 5: elk hunting Outfitter, with the agreement that I that was
Speaker 5: going to be my guide rig. So for a couple
Speaker 5: of years I got to guide out of the old truck,
Speaker 5: which was great. And one day, second week of rifle
Speaker 5: season here in Montana, my client and I went up
Speaker 5: onto these two mounds. I drove up onto one of
Speaker 5: these mountains. We called them the Boobs, just these two
Speaker 5: mountains that stick up out of the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 5: They're very obvious. You could see them from miles away.
Speaker 5: We called them the Boobs. I parked the truck up
Speaker 5: on one of them at like three pm sunsets at
Speaker 5: like seven pm. We're just gonna wait there and commit
Speaker 5: to that spot, hoping some elk come out of the timber,
Speaker 5: and the truck being forest green, hopefully they wouldn't see
Speaker 5: us there. I swear I put it in first gear. Naturally,
Speaker 5: the parking break was all messed up. I think there
Speaker 5: was mud stuck in the emergency brake, so that was
Speaker 5: just out of order. But I've had it in first gear,
Speaker 5: stepped out of the truck, did some glass and look over,
Speaker 5: and my client was sleeping in the passenger seat and
Speaker 5: saw three bowls come out of the timber. So I
Speaker 5: run over to the truck, and as I turn and look,
Speaker 5: the truck is just all a sudden rolling down one
Speaker 5: of the boom tubes. With my client Billy and just
Speaker 5: sitting in the passenger seat. I see him duck over
Speaker 5: to the side and he was able to reach over
Speaker 5: and hit the brake, but without the key in it,
Speaker 5: the hydraulics locked up, so I'm not sure how it
Speaker 5: shifted out a gear, but it did and it started rolling.
Speaker 5: I was able to run up, and for some reason
Speaker 5: I thought I could be Superman for a hot minute,
Speaker 5: and I tried stopping the truck. Instantly knew that wasn't
Speaker 5: gonna work. Jumped out of the way. It actually like
Speaker 5: dove and did a little roll out of the way.
Speaker 5: It was real theatrical, and I just watched the ghost
Speaker 5: roll with my client in the passenger seat down into
Speaker 5: a pile of trees. Luckily, like ten degrees to the left,
Speaker 5: it would have went over a cliff geez. Luckily it
Speaker 5: went into some smaller evergreen trees. It was kind of
Speaker 5: like it wasn't one big tree, which would have really
Speaker 5: messed everything up, including Billy. But it actually just messed
Speaker 5: up the radiator bent the whole front end in and
Speaker 5: we had to walk out that night because I couldn't
Speaker 5: get the truck out. There's a photo of it. It
Speaker 5: went into the trees. I just completely sandwiched dominoed a
Speaker 5: bunch of a small timber down. We went back the
Speaker 5: next day and I was able to actually drive it
Speaker 5: out the next day after a little chainsaw work, But yeah,
Speaker 5: that was scary. I still don't know exactly what happened.
Speaker 5: My client, who had reached over to try and hit
Speaker 5: the brake, stayed down and he bruised some ribs because
Speaker 5: he was right on the shifter near shifter was right
Speaker 5: on his stomach, and when he impacted the trees, it
Speaker 5: bruised his ribs. That's all that happened really. Obviously the
Speaker 5: truck didn't matter at that point. But my outfitter actually
Speaker 5: fixed it up, put a new grill, new radiator, everything
Speaker 5: that it needed, which was a lot, put a new
Speaker 5: front bumper on it, and we used it again for
Speaker 5: a couple more years. I think he sold it just
Speaker 5: a few years ago. Sadly I couldn't afford to buy
Speaker 5: it back. But yeah, missed that truck. It was the
Speaker 5: greatest truck I'll ever own.
Speaker 2: Cory aren't there trying to kill his hunting clients?
Speaker 5: Well, she shouldn't be sleeping on the job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you guys probably got me beat. Mine's
Speaker 2: kind of a standard getting stick overnight, getting stuck overnight story,
Speaker 2: But it was because of this buck right here, that
Speaker 2: white tail buck. I was hunting up in northern Montana
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, and the road like there's
Speaker 2: there's like the main highway, but then all the roads
Speaker 2: up there, this is like big agg country. There's very
Speaker 2: few trees, not a whole lot of topography like kind
Speaker 2: of rolling. But you guys know the roads up there,
Speaker 2: like they're public roads, most of them, but they're like
Speaker 2: these little two track like unmaintained. They're not roads, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: But so I was back in their ways and I
Speaker 2: killed this buck in late afternoon, and it like I
Speaker 2: had slept in the truck the night before and it
Speaker 2: it had I'd hunted the day before. It rained all day,
Speaker 2: then overnight it snowed on top of that rain, and
Speaker 2: like on the way to like walk out and hunt
Speaker 2: in the morning, I'm like this is bad, Like like
Speaker 2: I need to like kill an animal and get out
Speaker 2: of here before this stuff starts thawing out. Because it
Speaker 2: was like a few inches of heavy wet snow, then
Speaker 2: a thin layer of ice, and then a layer of mud. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like it wouldn't matter what kind of tires you had on,
Speaker 2: and I didn't have change, which was probably a mistake anyway,
Speaker 2: I did what I shouldn't have done and stayed out
Speaker 2: there all day and shot this buck. Like late afternoon,
Speaker 2: everything had started started melting. I get the buck back
Speaker 2: to the truck. It's dark, and I'm like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go for it. And it's like a slight downhill incline
Speaker 2: right off the bat to get out of there, and
Speaker 2: I go like fifty feet in the truck just does
Speaker 2: that slow yeah turn and I'm going sideways down the
Speaker 2: road and no, and slid like one hundred feet down
Speaker 2: the road. Now I'm like kind of cockye sideways pointing
Speaker 2: back the other way, and there's just like no getting
Speaker 2: off the road to turn around. I tried, believe me,
Speaker 2: and ended up. I just had to sleep in the
Speaker 2: truck again that night because I had to wait for
Speaker 2: stuff to freeze. So let that be a lesson to you.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's like it was great I got that buck,
Speaker 2: but if I'd have been in a more remote or
Speaker 2: tougher location, like you know, who knows what would happened.
Speaker 2: It's just like I knew walking out that morning to go, honey,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I gotta get out of here by like
Speaker 2: mid morning before stuff starts to melt and I didn't.
Speaker 2: So it was just like what we talked about earlier,
Speaker 2: you know, knowing your situation and not getting getting stuck
Speaker 2: somewhere because you made a poor decision. But I will
Speaker 2: say this, I have a Ford F one fifty and
Speaker 2: I like that truck. You've got one seth. I learned
Speaker 2: a big lesson on that hunt about like Danny said,
Speaker 2: stock stuff is good. Well, i'll tell you what's not
Speaker 2: good about Stock f one fifties is they have what
Speaker 2: they call a skid maybe they've changed this since mine's
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty. They have what they call a skid
Speaker 2: plate under there, but it's it's like it's not metal,
Speaker 2: it's this like weird almost like fabric paper mache material,
Speaker 2: and it's like it'll keep a pebble out of there,
Speaker 2: like you know, a little bit of dirt, but it's
Speaker 2: not going to protect your important stuff up underneath or
Speaker 2: on top of that skid plate. And ripped right through
Speaker 2: that thing and poked a hole in the transmission fluid reservoir,
Speaker 2: which ended up like druk got a little ways and
Speaker 2: then the truck just shit the bed.
Speaker 3: Wow, the transmission go out or.
Speaker 2: Not completely like it I didn't lose the transmission, but
Speaker 2: there was some costs involved in getting it fixed. It
Speaker 2: wasn't just plugging the hole and calling it good. But
Speaker 2: the first thing I did was put an aftermarket metal
Speaker 2: skid plate on that sucker.
Speaker 3: Dang, yeah, I gotta check mine now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yours might already ride in fallen off. The Steve's
Speaker 2: fell right.
Speaker 3: Off might be just another thing add to the list.
Speaker 2: So now all the Ford haters gonna be like, I
Speaker 2: knew that you shouldn't have bought that truck. Let's see
Speaker 2: if we got any of that. And we got any
Speaker 2: of that in the listener feedback, Phil.
Speaker 7: We've gotten no, We've got no no Ford discourse happening
Speaker 7: right now. We do have Randy saying it this is
Speaker 7: his favorite episode so far because he loves the ship
Speaker 7: show experiences.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 7: It's from Randy from Georgetown, Texas. Thanks Randy, thankks Randy.
Speaker 7: But yeah, we can we can get get some questions
Speaker 7: in here, whether they're about trucks or Father's Day or
Speaker 7: or just comments. Let's move on to some listener feedback.
Speaker 7: Cody would like to know what the zoom is on
Speaker 7: those glasses on my g.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's light it's like one point five. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't. I don't need a bunch yet.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 7: Lance asks Seth, have you ever gone walleye fishing in Canada?
Speaker 7: If so, where is the spot?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I have not gone walleye fishing in Canada. It's
Speaker 3: that's a bucket list trip. I want to do that eventually.
Speaker 3: But I feel like there's lots of spots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like where I grew up, everyone used to go
Speaker 2: out Ontario, but like Giannis was just bear hunting and
Speaker 2: what man Manitoba.
Speaker 3: They clabbered them there, they clobbered them there. I mean
Speaker 3: Lake of the Woods is always yeah, notoriously good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think there's lots of options up there. Love to
Speaker 3: check it out someday, Caleb. He asks, what is the
Speaker 3: best gift for a hunting dad. We've got two dads
Speaker 3: at the table. What would be a thing that you
Speaker 3: guys have received or O would love to receive from
Speaker 3: your family?
Speaker 2: Man, my wife hates buying me. It's like a standard thing,
Speaker 2: like because I just buy the ship I want for myself, right,
Speaker 2: So it's always like, well what do you want? I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't need anything, and then I what I need?
Speaker 2: I just go buy so man, it's a tough one. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it's like.
Speaker 2: There's all kinds of different hunting dads. There might be
Speaker 2: like a duck hunting dad and an ell hunting dad.
Speaker 2: That's a tough question to answer. Ask them what they
Speaker 2: want and then say I'm getting this for you. Don't
Speaker 2: buy it for yourself. That'd be my advice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good call. Or don't buy them anything. Just
Speaker 3: do something that's like real thoughtful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know exactly. I'd rather like hang out with
Speaker 2: my kids and my wife camping for a weekend. Then oh,
Speaker 2: totally get some piece of gear.
Speaker 3: Just say like, we're going camping this weekend, dad, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna get all the ship ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The greatest gift I ever got, though, was from my
Speaker 5: wife for Father's Day. We were able to drop the
Speaker 5: kid off with the grandparents, which was fun for Father's
Speaker 5: Day of all days. But we went fishing on the
Speaker 5: Missouri with a guide.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 5: It was really fun. Guided fishing trip. Wherever you are.
Speaker 5: I'm sure that that's an option.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if you can, if you can afford it, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: find out what their bucket list trip is and get
Speaker 2: that for him.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 7: Uh favorite trolling lure and what are you targeting with it?
Speaker 7: It's from Matthias. I think he corrected me. I said
Speaker 7: Mattias last time because I know a French guy named Mattias,
Speaker 7: but it is Matthias.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Man, you're down on trolling.
Speaker 5: But what's your favorite?
Speaker 3: I don't control much.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: When I do, it's like crank baits and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we uh, we'll pull crank baits like
Speaker 2: there's a there's an old lake erie. I think it's
Speaker 2: a lake erie lure called the Wally Diver. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a good wall I want, I mean anything elait
Speaker 2: them we pull? Uh what are those Berkeley flick or
Speaker 2: Minnow that's a good one that we do well.
Speaker 3: Like that one a bunch.
Speaker 2: Ye, So we do a little. We will definitely like
Speaker 2: take a break and do some trolling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can do some if you want to switch
Speaker 3: it up. Some bottom bouncers with like spinner rigs and stuff.
Speaker 2: You know what I've always wanted to do. You know
Speaker 2: when them big schools of Coho get circling outside the creek,
Speaker 2: so oh yeah, I always wanted to try trolling through those. Yeah,
Speaker 2: see what happens. I bet you.
Speaker 3: I'm all about trying new things up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why not?
Speaker 3: Would be cool?
Speaker 4: Uh, let's see.
Speaker 7: Jesse says he just got a two thousand and six Tacoma.
Speaker 7: It has no bells or whistles. What would be a
Speaker 7: couple of the first upgrades of attachments you'd put on
Speaker 7: for hunting?
Speaker 2: Chains, tires, like, depending on what it's got on there
Speaker 2: for tires for sure, Yeah, gets you some good.
Speaker 3: Good tires. I'm a fan of toppers too, so am
Speaker 3: I I like having a topper, keep my stuff dry.
Speaker 3: I can sleep in there, you can lock it up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I get you a topper.
Speaker 4: Right on.
Speaker 7: And I thought this was a fun, fun comment. We're
Speaker 7: not doing throwback Thursday anymore. But at Cody J when
Speaker 7: we were talking to Danny said that he drives and
Speaker 7: is a medic for tornado hunters and that it's a blast.
Speaker 7: And he said he also knew one of the guys
Speaker 7: that that Danny was hanging out with.
Speaker 4: Oh nice, and he was doing that. So anyway, small
Speaker 4: small world.
Speaker 3: Man. In a different life, I'd be a freaking storm chick. Yeah,
Speaker 3: have at it, man, it's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not interested man? Like Yeah, I think when I
Speaker 2: was in like eighth grade, I think it was eighth grade,
Speaker 2: we used to get tornado I grew up northwestern Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: so it's not like the most tornado e spot in
Speaker 2: the nation, but we would get tornado warnings. And in
Speaker 2: eighth grade, the next town over from us just got
Speaker 2: walloped by by a tornado and like thirty people died.
Speaker 2: So like, geez, I don't have any I don't need that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, as a Montana kid, tornadoes freaked me out.
Speaker 3: I'm going the other way. Yeah, I think they're cool,
Speaker 3: but I've never really had a bad experience with one.
Speaker 5: So yeah, chase them up, see what happens.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 7: We can call it right there, but I would doing
Speaker 7: this again at the end of the show. So please
Speaker 7: submit more questions and we will feel them in a
Speaker 7: few minutes.
Speaker 2: Alrighty, So Father's Day and what is it? Three days
Speaker 2: something like that?
Speaker 3: Ye, Sundays days under so U.
Speaker 2: In honor of that, we're each gonna share a picture
Speaker 2: and a story about hunting. You guys didn't do any fishing,
Speaker 2: just hunting, right.
Speaker 3: I did fishing, You did fishing.
Speaker 2: So hunting and fishing with our dads, we're just gonna
Speaker 2: We're just gonna honor our our dads for for getting
Speaker 2: us into hunting and fishing. So you up first, seth, Sure,
Speaker 2: I'll go.
Speaker 3: I got a bunch of photos of me and my
Speaker 3: old man up at the cabin in Alaska.
Speaker 2: That was just last was that last year.
Speaker 3: He's been coming up the last three years now, so
Speaker 3: I have a bunch of photos. But this is like,
Speaker 3: it's cool bringing my old man up to the cabin
Speaker 3: because like this is the first thing, like one of
Speaker 3: the first things in my life where instead of him
Speaker 3: teaching me something, I'm teaching him something new, which is
Speaker 3: pretty cool. And he's just like completely fell in love
Speaker 3: with like doing all this stuff up there, all the
Speaker 3: fishing and whatnot. So yeah, he comes up every summer
Speaker 3: now and I put him to work. He's he's cheap labor.
Speaker 3: He does a lot of firewood splitting and he could
Speaker 3: swing a hammer. But here's some salmon that we caught
Speaker 3: up there. But yeah, he comes up every summer now
Speaker 3: and and helps out with the cabin, and yeah, it's
Speaker 3: just like he's you know, he grew up on the
Speaker 3: East Coast and that whole world is like so new
Speaker 3: to him and he's he's just getting to like see
Speaker 3: him new just getting to watch him see new things
Speaker 3: that he's never seen before, and like catch fish that
Speaker 3: he's never caught before. And it's just super cool and
Speaker 3: one one funny thing. And bro, do you know how
Speaker 3: it is up there, Like when people first start fishing
Speaker 3: up there, it's like they just kind of don't remember
Speaker 3: how to fish almost. So here's him fighting a small
Speaker 3: halibit which he thinks is a giant halibit, which is common.
Speaker 3: And yeah, just just like trying to teach like the
Speaker 3: hook sets or if you're running like circle hooks, not
Speaker 3: to set the hook. Yeah, it's just been a blast
Speaker 3: the last you know, three years, getting to chill my
Speaker 3: old man that part of the country and that type
Speaker 3: of fishing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hung out with him a bit up there,
Speaker 2: and he seems really love it.
Speaker 3: Oh, he loves it. It's all he talks about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Corey, what are you doing down there?
Speaker 5: Making sure our next guest is ready to roll? It
Speaker 5: looks like he just showed up, so.
Speaker 2: We're doing some producing work at the same time he's hosting.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, Yeah, he can do it all.
Speaker 5: Got a man of many hands, all right, Corey, Oh
Speaker 5: my turn, you're up. Let's see, man. I got a
Speaker 5: lot of great stories hunting and fishing with my dad
Speaker 5: growing up. He moved up to Montana back in the
Speaker 5: seventies to get away from the hustle and bustle of Nevada,
Speaker 5: bought some horses and started hunting in the In the
Speaker 5: Bob Marshall, that's kind of what what helped drive my
Speaker 5: desire to want to do the same thing, was able
Speaker 5: to guide back in there kind of chase his dreams
Speaker 5: a little bit, which was super cool. But I owe
Speaker 5: a lot to them for getting me into outdoor recreation
Speaker 5: for sure. But this particular story was in I believe
Speaker 5: in two thousand and five. I was a junior in
Speaker 5: high school. My dad and I were in northwest Montana
Speaker 5: archery l hunting. I think it was September twenty first.
Speaker 5: We had a bit of a snowstorm the day before
Speaker 5: and we hunted together in the morning. Didn't hear any bugles,
Speaker 5: which I feel like is pretty typical after a snowstorm
Speaker 5: like that, and we decided to split up and spread
Speaker 5: out a couple hundred yards. It just worked this basin
Speaker 5: that we saw some tracks in the day before and
Speaker 5: I don't know what time. It was probably ten to
Speaker 5: eleven in the morning, not early, but it wasn't later
Speaker 5: in the day. And two bulls come up, just naturally,
Speaker 5: up right in front of me. They never saw me.
Speaker 5: I was just timber sneaking through the woods, and I
Speaker 5: was able to arrow one of the two bulls. Young
Speaker 5: Raghorn dropped him beautiful shot. Got really lucky, I would say,
Speaker 5: being that that young and not much of a hunter yet,
Speaker 5: and I was pumped. We had two way radios, so
Speaker 5: I radioed my dad as soon as I went up
Speaker 5: and touched the thing and knew that it was dead
Speaker 5: and had a lot of work to do, and radioed
Speaker 5: my dad. Told him I got my first bowl with
Speaker 5: my bow, and he's like, no way, I just shot
Speaker 5: a bowl too. So we killed two bulls. It might
Speaker 5: have been within the same moment. We have no idea, obviously,
Speaker 5: because we weren't with each other and didn't have on
Speaker 5: X or anything at the time. So yeah, we killed
Speaker 5: two bowls, not luckily not too far from the truck.
Speaker 2: One's enough work you get two down at the same time.
Speaker 5: It was probably four miles from the truck. Had to
Speaker 5: go up the hill and down that same trip actually
Speaker 5: leap frog and quarters had a black bear grab one
Speaker 5: of my hind quarters and tried dragging it off. Almost
Speaker 5: killed a bear that day too, but knew how much
Speaker 5: work we still had to be up. But that was
Speaker 5: pretty epic, epic memory. He had killed an elk before
Speaker 5: with his bow, but that was my first archery bowl
Speaker 5: And yeah, pretty special moment to have that happen.
Speaker 3: That was really cool for sure.
Speaker 2: And he's you said he's coming out here, uh soon.
Speaker 5: Well, he lives in Kallispell up northwest Mont and we're
Speaker 5: going to meet up this weekend and fish the Missouri together.
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, what you're getting that? All right? I
Speaker 2: guess it's my turn. My old man there he is,
Speaker 2: uh like my dad, Like, he's definitely like the reason
Speaker 2: why I'm sitting in his seat right now is the
Speaker 2: reason why I became a fishing guide. Like it was
Speaker 2: just like hunting and fishing with him as a kid,
Speaker 2: Like learned a lot from him, loved being out in
Speaker 2: the woods with him, and and then like kind of
Speaker 2: got away from doing that kind of stuff together for
Speaker 2: for a long time. And and then after I moved
Speaker 2: out to Colorado, and got into hunting. I kind of
Speaker 2: talked him in to start coming out to do some
Speaker 2: mule deer hunts and and and it was super cool
Speaker 2: and he got bucks pretty much every year he came out.
Speaker 2: I think he was seventy one in this picture, so
Speaker 2: he probably started coming out like his mid sixties and
Speaker 2: shot some bucks. Nothing huge, but you know, some decent bucks.
Speaker 2: This was I think in twenty eleven, and he drew
Speaker 2: a third season rifle tag in Colorado. Since I knew
Speaker 2: he had drawn that tag, I wasn't gonna hunt that
Speaker 2: season for a buck. I was just like focused on
Speaker 2: getting him a big one, because, like I said, he's
Speaker 2: seventy one, and he got around pretty good. But you
Speaker 2: know he's seventy one, so you just don't know how
Speaker 2: much more time he's got to do that kind of hunting.
Speaker 2: So I went into this area like a week before
Speaker 2: the season started, and like right off the bat, I
Speaker 2: I glass up a bull a bull ELK. I'm like, shit, man,
Speaker 2: like we're supposed to be deer hunting next week, but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pick up an over the counter bull tag too,
Speaker 2: and we go in there we go in opening morning,
Speaker 2: we were glassing around there's deer around, small bucks, nothing
Speaker 2: to shoot at. And I look up the ridge and
Speaker 2: there's three bulls working down the ridge and I was like,
Speaker 2: peace out, Dad, I'm going after these bulls and run
Speaker 2: up there and got in tight and shot shot a bull.
Speaker 2: So the next like day and a half was dealing
Speaker 2: with that bull, you know, and you know, my dad
Speaker 2: was kind of doing some hunting on the side, but
Speaker 2: it was warm and nothing. Nothing happened. Then I'm like
Speaker 2: day it would have been like day four, maybe in
Speaker 2: the evening we found this buck and just could not
Speaker 2: get it done. That evening was he was too far away.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of doze around. Who's gonna get dark.
Speaker 2: So we went right back in there the next morning
Speaker 2: and found him right away and made a move on him,
Speaker 2: and we ended up like well, like almost screwed it up.
Speaker 2: Like we ended up real tight, like seventy yards. So
Speaker 2: my dad's just like offhand, shot real quick and spined him.
Speaker 2: I was like, you gotta that deer again, but he's
Speaker 2: like on the ground, you know, and you can't really
Speaker 2: get out his vitals. I've never seen a seventy one
Speaker 2: year old man run like seventy yards that fast like
Speaker 2: in my life, and he ran up to it finished
Speaker 2: it off, and I was like, man, like, you don't know,
Speaker 2: like you don't know what you just shot, like you
Speaker 2: have no it shot some older bucks, but nothing like that.
Speaker 2: It was like, this thing is like I think this
Speaker 2: thing's over two hundred.
Speaker 3: And he still was.
Speaker 2: Like not convinced. And we we pack it out and
Speaker 2: we get home and I take like a one seventy
Speaker 2: buck that I had shot earlier in the year and
Speaker 2: set those antlers inside those antlers. I'm like, like you
Speaker 2: get it now, like how big this thing is? And
Speaker 2: it ended up scoring like I can't remember what was
Speaker 2: like two oh six or two oh.
Speaker 3: Nine or something like that.
Speaker 2: You can't really this picture's not great. It's from back
Speaker 2: in the day when like digital cameras weren't that great.
Speaker 2: But he's got a couple stickers coming off his right
Speaker 2: side and there's one off the back of his left
Speaker 2: side that you can't see. Just a really cool old
Speaker 2: buck and uh yeah, man, like every time I go
Speaker 2: back to Pennsylvania to stare at that thing, it's just
Speaker 2: an awesome deer.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 2: So it was kind of like you saith where it
Speaker 2: felt like I was like doing what he had done
Speaker 2: for me. Yeah, you know later in life. So yeah,
Speaker 2: he's uh, he still does a little hunting at home,
Speaker 2: but not as much as he used to. He's getting
Speaker 2: up there.
Speaker 3: That's cool. That's cool. Nice buck, Yeah, big buck, big buck.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 5: I'm ready for the fall.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 2: Okay, speaking of Father's Day, we got to remind you
Speaker 2: that our our Meat Eater and First Light Father's Day
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Speaker 2: the First Light website. There's some some good deals going
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Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 2: All right, Now it's time to uh to do the
Speaker 2: interview where we're trying to get done a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago. We're gonna interview Josh Miller. He's a fishing
Speaker 2: guide from western uh, Western Washington, and I think he
Speaker 2: guts like salmon and steelhead and the rivers, and also
Speaker 2: like coastal fisheries too, out in the ocean.
Speaker 5: That's what I understand. Yeah, let's find out.
Speaker 2: But he's got some of you may have seen him
Speaker 2: on on Instagram. He's got a co captain, which is
Speaker 2: Rider Rider the Turkey. So, joh, we got Josh on
Speaker 2: the line. Here we are there he is, Hey, Josh, Hey, Josh, gentlemen,
Speaker 2: good as good as you though.
Speaker 3: Where are you at.
Speaker 1: I'm out in the straight of Wanda Fuca fishing for
Speaker 1: halibate right now?
Speaker 5: Oh God?
Speaker 3: Nice?
Speaker 5: Nice?
Speaker 2: Nice?
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: First of all, tell us about your uh, your early
Speaker 2: bird guidance service, Like what do you fish for? Where
Speaker 2: do you guys fish, what time of year? All that
Speaker 2: stuff goes a quick rundown.
Speaker 1: So right now I'm doing raft trips. We do coastal
Speaker 1: tributaries and Columbia River tributaries, a lot of steelhead fishing,
Speaker 1: a lot of kingfishing and coho fishing. I do spend
Speaker 1: the summers in Alaska fishing sake on the Kenai. So
Speaker 1: if you're interested in that, I can get you out
Speaker 1: in Keenai, Alaska for sake. And then the winter time
Speaker 1: after and anytime after New Year's is an awesome steelhead season.
Speaker 1: But yeah, year round we're catching big chrome fish.
Speaker 2: Nice, nice, Well, we gotta we gotta ask like you're
Speaker 2: you're pretty well known on the instagram him for your uh,
Speaker 2: your unusual first mate that happens to be a turkey.
Speaker 2: So like, how did the whole thing with with bringing
Speaker 2: along the turkey and the boat get started?
Speaker 1: Well, I got a bunch of them, these heritage birds
Speaker 1: to raise, and a weasel got into the coup, and
Speaker 1: long story short, there was only one left and it
Speaker 1: was literally ride or die for the little guy. I
Speaker 1: was fishing the next day, so he had no choice.
Speaker 1: He had to go out on the boat as a
Speaker 1: little baby. And here we are seven years later. He's
Speaker 1: got the program pretty well figured out, fit all sorts
Speaker 1: of fishing trips. I've had him with me on a
Speaker 1: mule deer hunt and we harvested him.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Elk hunting, I shot a cow elk with him following
Speaker 1: me through the woods.
Speaker 2: Dude, you gotta watch out. Someone might take a crack
Speaker 2: at that turkey while you're hunting.
Speaker 1: Right, I don't know. He's the way I look at it.
Speaker 1: He's lift such a good life. I don't think you
Speaker 1: can get any better.
Speaker 2: For a turkey.
Speaker 1: So then so be it.
Speaker 2: There we go, There we go. So like people people
Speaker 2: like to bring their dogs on boats, like I do it.
Speaker 2: Some some dogs are like really annoying when you're fishing
Speaker 2: in a boat, and some are super chill. Where does
Speaker 2: where does rider fall on that on that scale? And
Speaker 2: and like does he react to fish being caught?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he hears drag pulling out of a real
Speaker 1: he starts ripping gobbles, going on and everything. And he's fine.
Speaker 1: He's got He's got a lot of characters play having
Speaker 1: a dog and a cat at the time. He's got
Speaker 1: a little bit of attitude, But most of the time.
Speaker 2: That is excellent, a ton of fun.
Speaker 1: Even when I'm pulling out of the driveway with the boat,
Speaker 1: He'll chase the tr down just because I'm towing the boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Uh. Do you got any clients that specifically
Speaker 2: requests for that turkey to be in the boat with
Speaker 2: him all the Yeah?
Speaker 1: I bet I'd just say, as long as you tip
Speaker 1: the bird, I'll bring him nice.
Speaker 2: Nice you guys getting them today? Got any action?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, he couldn't join today because you had some pretty
Speaker 2: rough seas out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got some rough water and we got four
Speaker 1: people in the boat, so we decided to leave him
Speaker 1: at home today. We got out here about an hour
Speaker 1: and a half ago, and we've caught three dog fish
Speaker 1: so little sharks. No hell of it yet.
Speaker 2: Well, keep at it now, and I don't I don't
Speaker 2: want to upset you with this next question. I hope,
Speaker 2: I hope Ryder has a bunch more years of fishing
Speaker 2: ahead of him. But since, uh, since we're here at
Speaker 2: meet it or we we all love eating wild turkeys.
Speaker 2: So is there any chance that bird is going to
Speaker 2: end up on the table at Thanksgiving?
Speaker 3: Her?
Speaker 2: Are you going to give him a proper burial at
Speaker 2: sea once his time is up?
Speaker 1: Oh? I think he deserves a proper burial. I don't
Speaker 1: know about you know, if he's seven years.
Speaker 2: Old, nice, nice, Well, hopefully got you got several more
Speaker 2: years with him in the boat with you.
Speaker 1: It's always a fun time around Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet, I bet I had.
Speaker 1: Him sit down at the table with us and gave
Speaker 1: him a plate of green bees.
Speaker 2: Is he house trained or boat trained?
Speaker 1: When he was younger, I used to have him where
Speaker 1: he had pecked the door or the window to turn
Speaker 1: around and tell me to let him out. But I
Speaker 1: don't get to spend a ton of time with him anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but most.
Speaker 1: Part, yeah, he's pretty well trained. Like he'll wait a
Speaker 1: two hour car ride to the river and then when
Speaker 1: I let him out, he'll do his business.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: Nice, But he's a pretty smart bird.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 2: Cool, Well, Josh, thanks for talking to us today. I
Speaker 2: hope you guys find some halbit out there, and I
Speaker 2: hope you can continue to have fun with your turkey
Speaker 2: fishing companion.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: All the best to rider.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm happy to be on the show guys.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks a lot man.
Speaker 1: All right, you guys take care.
Speaker 3: You too, Thanks Josh. That is awesome.
Speaker 4: That was cool.
Speaker 3: Phil.
Speaker 2: We got time for some more feedback.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we don't have a whole lot of feedback right now.
Speaker 7: But Robert asks Seth, if you remember, Seth, what kind
Speaker 7: of rifle did you use on the Texas deer hunt
Speaker 7: in rough cuts?
Speaker 4: Do you remember a hunt?
Speaker 3: That rifle was.
Speaker 2: So kind?
Speaker 3: Of funny backstory. I wasn't actually supposed to be hunting
Speaker 3: on that chuot. One thing led to another and I
Speaker 3: ended up being on camera, So I actually didn't bring
Speaker 3: a rifle down there. I just went and grabbed it
Speaker 3: was an old Remington threeh eight. I don't even know
Speaker 3: exactly what it was, but I just grabbed it out
Speaker 3: of the gun safe at the ranch and when shot
Speaker 3: to make sure it was shooting good. And that's what
Speaker 3: I took out. It was like an old woodstock thumb hole,
Speaker 3: like old schoolly wood gun, which was kind of cool
Speaker 3: because I don't usually hunt with stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you guys weren't taking particularly long shot.
Speaker 3: It was all close stuff. So yeah, I remember it
Speaker 3: was a Remington, but I don't remember exactly what it was.
Speaker 7: Oscar asks, what is the smallest area of private land
Speaker 7: that you'd hunt turkeys? He says he has ten acres
Speaker 7: in Michigan.
Speaker 2: Sure, why not?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Ten You can get her down on ten acres for sure.
Speaker 2: Especially if they're roosted nearby, like on your land or nearby. Yeah,
Speaker 2: call him in there, Yeah, sure, why not?
Speaker 7: Remington asks how old were you when you started hunting
Speaker 7: without your.
Speaker 2: Dad, man I broke the law.
Speaker 3: Yeah, same.
Speaker 2: I think it was fourteen in Pennsylvania. You had to
Speaker 2: be think, so you hunt alone and and the minimum
Speaker 2: hunting age back then was twelve, and I was hunting
Speaker 2: alone when I was twelve a lot same.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think, man, I probably would have been
Speaker 5: like seventeen by the time I finally went out with
Speaker 5: a buddy. My dad was my hunting buddy growing up. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's pretty seventeen.
Speaker 3: Probably.
Speaker 2: It's weird to me to think about it now that
Speaker 2: I have my own kids, like a thirteen year old
Speaker 2: and a ten year old, and they can hunt at
Speaker 2: ten in Montana. But like, like I don't know about you, Stef,
Speaker 2: but like I I would just go walk on the
Speaker 2: nate like all the neighboring farms all day. Let's just
Speaker 2: be gone all day. And for me to think about
Speaker 2: letting my thirteen year old or my you know, when
Speaker 2: my ten year old is twelve do it at that age,
Speaker 2: it's like kind of weird. But I feel like that's
Speaker 2: a problem with me, not a problem with them being
Speaker 2: able to go do it if you like give them
Speaker 2: the confidence to go do it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, John asks Brody, don't you think there should
Speaker 7: be a time limit on trivia questions.
Speaker 2: Yes, it depends if I'm having trouble with the question or.
Speaker 7: Someone to say, if you if whoever's sure of an answer,
Speaker 7: they want a time limit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but honestly, like often the conversations, the banter
Speaker 2: that happens while we're extending the time on those, it's
Speaker 2: it's pretty fun. I mean it could get taken too far, obviously,
Speaker 2: like if because the more talk that goes on, the
Speaker 2: more the better the chance that something is given away
Speaker 2: and someone comes up with an answer. You hope they will.
Speaker 7: The time limit would would ruin the energy of the
Speaker 7: show because if it were too long and it was
Speaker 7: an easy question, then we're just sitting there. I guess
Speaker 7: if people if if we all agreed we wanted to
Speaker 7: be done, we could move on. But but yeah, like
Speaker 7: like Brody said, just the flexibility.
Speaker 2: I think maybe we could screw around with like a
Speaker 2: special edition of Meat Eater where it's like a speed
Speaker 2: round or maybe likes yeah, like it's like you get
Speaker 2: thirty seconds and that's that. Like, maybe we could.
Speaker 7: Screw around with randall is all caps in the chat
Speaker 7: saying yes on the time limit, there's too many.
Speaker 2: Spence Randall just happened to lose a couple of times
Speaker 2: and now he's all been out of shape.
Speaker 7: He's no foul play. Randall says, let's see Oscar. We've
Speaker 7: got to you know, if we already did Oscar?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 7: Did I did I start this? There was a comment
Speaker 7: boys two Pa boys about tactics for hunting deep woods
Speaker 7: in Pennsylvania for a deer. It was a pretty general question.
Speaker 2: I would know more about that than like in the
Speaker 2: big Woods.
Speaker 3: It's all about here we go.
Speaker 4: It's from Ethan.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a lot. You gotta work the land
Speaker 3: features in that big stuff because it's just you know,
Speaker 3: woods forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like up where where I hunted Northwest Pa.
Speaker 2: Like you're hunting small, like hundred acre chunks of private
Speaker 2: and it's not like that big woods is like got
Speaker 2: some topography.
Speaker 3: Man like yeah, like saddles and pin like if you
Speaker 3: can find pinch points bottom stuff like that, and then
Speaker 3: find different cover types white oak flats and stuff like
Speaker 3: that where they're feeding.
Speaker 2: I do think you like, knowing what I know now
Speaker 2: about Western hunting, I think there's some stuff you could
Speaker 2: apply to those big chunks of like mountainous public land
Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania, and a hunt like a Western hunter and
Speaker 2: like get in there a long ways and be willing
Speaker 2: to pack about a buck out on your back. Like
Speaker 2: there's something to be said for like hunting where other
Speaker 2: people aren't in Pennsylvania because a lot of it gets
Speaker 2: pretty crowded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think topo map's your best friend and that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff.
Speaker 7: Carrie asks, would you hunt a burn from last fall
Speaker 7: for mule deer or hunt away from the burn?
Speaker 2: I think it depends on the burn.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've hunted burns where it burned in the summer and
Speaker 3: I was haunting in October. Yeah, there was plenty of
Speaker 3: deer and elk in it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you better check it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean some burn, like it's a real hot
Speaker 2: one where everything just gets just like the top soil
Speaker 2: gets burnt. Probably pretty tough. But if it's a quick
Speaker 2: one that and you get a bunch of new growth, definitely.
Speaker 3: I was working on a fire back in my firefighting days.
Speaker 3: One time we're cutting a line in to try to
Speaker 3: hold hold this one fire from spreading, and out of nowhere,
Speaker 3: a whole herd of elk come out of the non
Speaker 3: burn stuff and go right up into the fire. I
Speaker 3: was like, that's not gonna work out great for him. No,
Speaker 3: we never saw him again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they got to deal with that stuff every year.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that's it cool.
Speaker 4: It's a good round of questions. Thanks everybody, Go and
Speaker 4: wrap it up there.
Speaker 2: Sure, all right, folks, that's that's the end of today's show.
Speaker 2: Happy Father's Day to everyone. Have a great weekend, get
Speaker 2: outside and do something fun.
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, Thanks guys.
Speaker 2: Tuning in next week.