1 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, January fourteenth, and the 2 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: O Pair at the center of the so called O 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: Pair affair murder trial continues. Her testimony cross examination has 4 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: gotten underway. A lawyer had some questions for her, and 5 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: now a lot of us are going to have some 6 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: questions with that. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. 7 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: Can I start with first of all, of course, the 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: good defense attorney is going to do his job. He's 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: going to put some holes in the story. She seems 10 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: to be pretty steady and hasn't necessarily seemed to be 11 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: shaken just yet by the lawyer. 12 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 2: I've been impressed by her composure. 13 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 3: She started off on the stand first yesterday, a little shaky, 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 3: a little emotional. 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 2: She seems composed. 16 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 3: She doesn't seem to rattle, which is good in terms 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 3: of her ability to keep her emotional level steady, which 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 3: I think must be a pretty difficult thing to do 19 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 3: given what she's admitted to and what she's accusing someone 20 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 3: who she once loved deeply, according to her, and he's 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: just a few feet from her. 22 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 2: That cannot be easy. 23 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: I mean, she seemed annoyed at times, but never combative. 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: She never took it that far, and I'll give the 25 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: attorney credit as well. He has been very steady and 26 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: respectful with her. 27 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 3: You know what it's interesting, it's defense attorneys are known 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: oftentimes to be sharks, and you know they are going 29 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: to go to bat for their client no matter what. 30 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 3: He has a like a fatherly, grandfatherly warmth about him 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 3: that is unusual in a defense attorney. But I find 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: it to be very effective because you're almost he's very likable, 33 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: which is an unusual quality. 34 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 2: And a defense attorney. 35 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: And he's not being a showboat like what you would 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: expect for some larger than life defense attorne. 37 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: He actually just seems like a genuine, good human being. 38 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 3: That's it. That's been my takeaway is his voice, his demeanor, 39 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: how he's even asking tough. 40 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: Questions, a slow talker even so, yes, give everybody credit 41 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: for at least doing their job so far. But yes, 42 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 1: it's the Brendan Banfield trial on trial with double murder 43 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: killing his wife and also a stranger, someone that, according 44 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: to prosecutors, he lured to the house as a part 45 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: of some the BDSM what do you call it. 46 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, he basically tried to make it look like his 47 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 3: wife was into some sort of deviant sex with the 48 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 3: stranger who was carrying out a rape fantasy that he 49 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 3: walked in on and read the wrong way and thought 50 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 3: someone was attacking his wife with a knife shot him, 51 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 3: but he didn't make it in time before that said 52 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: sex sexual deviance was stabbing his wife to death. 53 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: Is what he wants jurors to believe. 54 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: We are going to have to come up with a 55 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: shorter way to explain this case because we're gonna have 56 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: to cover for the next several weeks. I kind of 57 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: come up with it just a simple way. You could 58 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: just say, yes, it's the old pair affair murder trial, 59 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: and maybe a decent enough A number of people are familiar. 60 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: But to just explain this thing is tricky. 61 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,079 Speaker 3: It is because it's a murder case like we've never 62 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 3: seen or heard before. 63 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: This is this is a new one. 64 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: So yes, she got on the stand yesterday. Juliana Perez 65 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: Miguelas is the name the old pair. Twenty five years 66 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: old now, but twenty one when this affair started, as 67 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: she was working for the family. But yeah, she dealt 68 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: with direct yesterday. Cross examination started this morning and it 69 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: started grow. She had to explain herself first of all, 70 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: which was about this plea deal, like why are you here? 71 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,839 Speaker 3: It's a big deal because for many, many months, and 72 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 3: we'll get into the letters that the defense was able 73 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: to produce, she was professing her love for Brent in Banfield, 74 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: to him, to his mother, saying that she did nothing wrong, 75 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: She didn't do anything untoward. She stayed with what Brendan 76 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 3: has been saying all along. They were a united force 77 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: in terms of their story as to what happened. And 78 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 3: then suddenly she takes this plea deal and now she 79 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: has a completely different version of what happened. And so 80 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: rightfully so the defense attorney is going to say, Okay, 81 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 3: so you weren't telling the truth now, but now you're 82 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 3: telling the truth. That's definitely going to be a huge 83 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: hurdle for prosecutors because she is their case. I mean, 84 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 3: she pretty much is. The case is built around her 85 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 3: narrative of what happened. 86 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: You know, in opening did they say? What did they 87 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: say they're going to offer? In terms of physical evidence. 88 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: The only thing I heard in opening arguments from the 89 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: prosecutor beyond getting Juliana's testimony, direct testimony and version of events, 90 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: was blood evidence and she said, there will be blood 91 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: evidence we will be able to show you that will 92 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 3: prove that Brendan was on top of his wife stabbing 93 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 3: her with that knife in the neck. So that is 94 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: the other evidence we're expecting to hear beyond Juliana's story. 95 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 3: But clearly, if you don't believe Juliani Juliana, then you're 96 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 3: gonna have a hard time with the rest of the case. 97 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, we always put ourselves in that jury box, 98 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: and they're giving enough, they are setting up enough that 99 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: you would have doubts about the story and the reason 100 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: there are doubts that are coming because yes, this plea 101 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: deal is here, but they have set up now robes 102 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: the timing of this thing where they're asking her, why 103 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: did you decide to come forward when you did, because 104 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: there is how much time between her making the plea 105 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: deal and her initial arrest. We're talking about a year. 106 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 2: It was almost a year. 107 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 3: And yes, and she is in these letters getting more 108 00:05:58,800 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 3: and more desperate. 109 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: Yes, So in these letters that they had her read 110 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of she was raw, emotional and the letters 111 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: you could hear her decline over time that she started 112 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: getting worse, talking about wanting it to end. She sounded alluicidal, yes, 113 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: and what is it? Not clear? And they made the point, 114 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: but listening to it did not sound like the longer 115 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: she was in there, the worst things were getting. 116 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 3: So the defense attorney was trying very much to get 117 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: her to admit that as time went on, the longer 118 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 3: she was in prison, the longer she was denied any 119 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 3: sort of bond, or her hearings weren't going. 120 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: The way she wanted them to. She was getting more. 121 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 3: And more depressed, more and more desperate, and she was 122 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 3: writing exactly where she was mentally to Brendan and his mother, 123 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 3: and she did sound suicidal, and it was declining. Now 124 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: she wouldn't admit that she was declining. She said she 125 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 3: thought that she stayed the same. But you could see 126 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 3: the defenser he's trying to establish. The longer you stayed 127 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 3: in there, the worse you got, which would make sense. 128 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 3: And at a certain point, what he's trying to get 129 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: her to admit is that she broke that eventually she 130 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 3: couldn't take it anymore, and she was just at a 131 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 3: point where she would sign anything, say anything to get 132 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: out of jail. 133 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: So it was a year. I'm looking at the dates 134 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: here because he hit her on this point. October thirteenth 135 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: of two thousand and three, that's around the time she 136 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: was arrested, twenty twenty three, twenty three, excuse me. And 137 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: then October twenty eighth of twenty twenty four is when 138 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: she signed the deal. Now, he pointed out, as she 139 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: was saying, I'm here because I want to tell the truth. 140 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: I want the truth to get out, he asked, well, 141 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: why didn't you want it to get out until the 142 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: twenty eighth of October when you had a full year 143 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: to get the truth out? And that's a fair question. 144 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: He also pointed out Robes she read excerpts from letters 145 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: in which her depressive state to anger, anger at her attorney, 146 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: anger at the legal process, and this was around the 147 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: time she all of a sudden she gets a deal. 148 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: So he is setting up at least a timeline that 149 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: makes you go, hmm, what change. 150 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 3: It shows seeds of doubt. And you have a quote 151 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: from her and she said this, I withheld the truth. 152 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 2: For a long time. 153 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: Anyone who is going to say that on the stand 154 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: will make you, as a juror, question whether or not 155 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 3: you can believe she's telling the truth. Now, That is 156 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 3: the problem for the prosecution, and that is the problem 157 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: for any testimony this so pair gives because for a 158 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: full year she was saying something completely different. 159 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: And yeah, I guess you could make an argument that 160 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: she was scared, she was trying to protect him. I 161 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: guess you can. But it is difficult to hear that 162 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 1: she's here now doing the right thing when there was 163 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: a long time when she had an oportus do the 164 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: right thing. They also Robes didn't expect this to be 165 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: a big deal, and it almost looked like it surprised 166 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: the attorney a little bit. She couldn't remember some details 167 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: about the laptop. A big part of this has been 168 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: that they set up this fetty what's the website? 169 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: Sorry it's now you just said fet life life dot com. 170 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, met life, it's yes life again. 171 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: I think it's actually okay that you didn't remember the 172 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 3: name of the website. It's just further, I didn't need 173 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 3: to know that you didn't know this, But it's not 174 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 3: on our radar, so it's not something that we can 175 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 3: just go, oh, yeah, fet life, you know that website 176 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: that we've never been to, would have. 177 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: Never heard of before. 178 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 1: So fet life a big part of the story, and 179 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 1: a big part of the plot, was that they signed 180 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: up for this account in the wife's name without her knowing, 181 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: and they had to use her laptop and robes. He said, well, 182 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: how did you do that with the wife in the 183 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: house and she said, well, she usually leaves her bag 184 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: by the door. He said, okay, so who got it? 185 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: Don't know? Okay, then where did you go and sign 186 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: up in the house? Don't know who did it? Brendan? 187 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: Where to do it? Don't know? She could remember nothing 188 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 1: of signing up other than that. 189 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: That's glaring. 190 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 3: That's a big deal because this is again a huge 191 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: part of the prosecution's theory here that yes, Brendan and Juliana, 192 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: according to Juliana had to create this fake account using 193 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 3: his wife's photos, pretending to be Christina, and that's a 194 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 3: huge part of the story that has to be true 195 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 3: for their theory to work, it has to be. 196 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: That's a good way that has It must be. 197 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 3: For her not to remember something that important in terms 198 00:10:55,920 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: of how they started this plan and how they put 199 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: the plan in place by creating this fake account to 200 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: lure this person to their home to then pin the 201 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 3: murder on. How could she not remember, because that is 202 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 3: a thing to note that for them to get her 203 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: computer while she was in the house and log onto 204 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 3: her computer and pretend to be her. What is Christina 205 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: doing at this time? How are they sneaking around doing? 206 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 3: You would remember that because you'd be nervous, because you'd 207 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: be doing something that you wouldn't want to get caught at, 208 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 3: so you would remember it. Those are the kinds of 209 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 3: things you remember. 210 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: She only remembered that the wife was upstairs, was all 211 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: she would say. He said, well, where were you? How 212 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: do you know she was up where you were down? 213 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: She had I mean, she could give zero details about 214 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: how they took it physically out of the bag. You 215 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: have had to put it back, and weren't you the 216 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: one that did the deeper dive on it? But the 217 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: groups of folks and digital forensic folks who actually say 218 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: that the wife was the one using it. 219 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: Yes, So, so he is already setting up with Juliana 220 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 3: the defense attorney here if she can't get specific or 221 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 3: remember this story that she told to prosecutors. 222 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: And now you have members of. 223 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 3: The detective team who actually believe and they're going to 224 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: get into this when the defense presents its evidence who 225 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 3: believe that, yes, Christina is the one who set it up. 226 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 3: They don't believe digital forensic experts. They had an outsource 227 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 3: to the University of Alabama. Pere reviewed that that group. 228 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 3: That team also believes that it was Christina who set 229 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 3: up the account. 230 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: If that is something the jury believes. 231 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: There's case. 232 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 2: There is no case. 233 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: Wow, that is a very important detail. But stay with 234 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: us here, folks. We'll get into a little more of 235 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: what happened, including some of her bizarre behavior after the murders, 236 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: also her relationship with a few reporters who have been 237 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: slipping her money and might be trying to get her 238 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: a TV deal. Stay here, all right. We continue here 239 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: on Amy and TEJ with the so called O Pair 240 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: affair murder trial going on. Brendan Banfield accused of killing 241 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: his wife and another man he had lured to the house. 242 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: They went to a lunch break. As we're recording this, 243 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: they are still they're still be coming, just coming back 244 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: from lunch, and we do expect the old pair. Juliana 245 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: say the name for me, It's not easy. 246 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: She is Brazilian, so this is Portuguese. 247 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 3: Juliana Perez Mahales is my best effort at saying her 248 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: name correctly. 249 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: Yes, we will see her back on the stand today 250 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: with ropes they did hit on. I mean, just looks 251 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: weird or looks bad about her behavior after the murders, 252 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: including moving back into the house where the murders had 253 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: taken place. But her sleeping arrangements kind of changed while 254 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: she was there. She was she said, well, she went back. 255 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: She was staying in her own room when she went back. 256 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: Where then someone asked, were you staying in there by yourself? No, 257 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: so the husband, Brendan was staying in there, But that 258 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: arrangement didn't last long. 259 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: Yes, so they were originally staying in her room, which 260 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: I understand because yeah, people were shot and killed in 261 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 3: that bed and in that bedroom. But eventually Juliana moved 262 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 3: into the master bedroom and she put up photos of 263 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 3: her and Brendan in the nightstand. 264 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 2: She put her clothing in what was. 265 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 3: Once Christina's closet. She put a Brazilian flag up in 266 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 3: the bedroom. I mean she she moved in and basically 267 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 3: assumed wifely a wifely position in the house. 268 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: And yes, they were there living with the child who 269 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: ended up. 270 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 3: Being four just before the time of the murders. So 271 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 3: the and this isn't that long ago. We're talking what 272 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 3: two years ago, a year and a half ago, So 273 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: the little girl four five, six, yeah, little. 274 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: So these are some of the things that defense has 275 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: been hitting on, but also Robes that it came out 276 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: talking about her relationship with reporters. Some local reporters who 277 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: were in touch with her while she was in jail 278 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: used to well, she said, give her money for her 279 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: phone calls, and give her money for the commissary for prison. 280 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: Those things just came out. But from that it came 281 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: out Robes that she has talked to someone and named 282 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: a production company and negotiations are currently ongoing about possibly 283 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: getting her some money to tell her story and possibly 284 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: a TV show. 285 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,479 Speaker 3: Look, the problem is when you have the key witness 286 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 3: in this case, where your entire case pretty much is 287 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 3: hinging on her version of events, if you can make 288 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: her look transactional, if you can see as a juror, wow, 289 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 3: she got out of jail for free, basically, even though 290 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: she's saying she pulled the trigger at least in one 291 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: of the deaths. But because she's testifying and turning against 292 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 3: her once lover, she's literally going to walk away and 293 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: head to Brazil. And on top of that, she was 294 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: somebody who was giving information to reporters in exchange for money. 295 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: She's somebody who might be profiting off of this story 296 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 3: she is now telling and selling as the. 297 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 2: Truth for a movie deal. 298 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 3: Her credibility at that point now is shaken. 299 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: At the very least. 300 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: Everything you said you can't help, but that has to 301 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: be a part of it, everything she has gone through. 302 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: She might be telling one hundred percent the truth on everything, 303 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: but if you're sitting there as a juror, you cannot 304 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: help but think something is up, because we now we 305 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: have several scenarios in which it looks like she has 306 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: done something a little untoward or maybe even criminal for 307 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: the sake of covern Own ass and she will throw 308 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: anybody under the bus to do. 309 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 3: And look, hearing those letters and how and what she 310 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: was saying not just a brenda but to his mom, 311 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 3: you know you hear a completely different version, a completely 312 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 3: different set of experiences emotions than what you're seeing here 313 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 3: in court. That's hard. Which version of her do you 314 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 3: believe her written word? What she said right after the murders, 315 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 3: what she said six months after the murders what she 316 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 3: said when she got a really big sweetheart deal. Which 317 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 3: one is the truth? 318 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 2: How are you supposed to know who? Which version are 319 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: you supposed to believe? 320 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: Well, she continues, folks, she'll continue to testify this afternoon. 321 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: As always, top right corner your podcast Apple podcast app, 322 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: we see our show page button says follow click that 323 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: you can subscribe and get all the updates coming to 324 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: you so you don't have to go hunting for them. 325 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on this this afternoon. We'll hop 326 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: back on if anything comes to the surface. But as always, 327 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: we appreciate you spending some time here on t J 328 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: holmes On behalf of Amy Robot. 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