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Speaker 1: Welcome to What Are We even doing? The podcast where

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Speaker 1: I your host Kyle sit down with actors, musicians, creatives

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Speaker 1: of all type to discuss their process, the creativity, their ambition,

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Speaker 1: and how they use social media. Basically, we're going to

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Speaker 1: get weird here, but in a very good way. Since

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Speaker 1: this is our first episode, I'd like to introduce myself.

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Speaker 1: You might remember me from shows like twin Peaks, or

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Speaker 1: Sex in the City, or even the Internet's Dad. However,

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Speaker 1: I have decided to embark on a noble quest to

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Speaker 1: understand the brilliant creativity of youth culture without looking like

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Speaker 1: I'm trying too hard. Hold on to your hats. Here

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Speaker 1: we go.

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Speaker 2: Every great actor starts out as a treat. When I'm

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Speaker 2: not watching your video as a hot dog or dancing

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Speaker 2: to Charlie XCX, I'm reading a book.

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Speaker 1: Well, when you were here, did you think, oh, my

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Speaker 1: mom's sole.

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Speaker 2: No, it's about me and I chose to do with

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Speaker 2: my cement and I've traumatized a bunch of six year

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Speaker 2: olds arowny youth girls. I don't know, why do you

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Speaker 2: not on the podcast? I was like, you've never read

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Speaker 2: rom you're supposed to be I don't know if you're

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Speaker 2: laughing at this. And then there were other times where

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Speaker 2: it was like stand and do nothing, and then I

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Speaker 2: was like, I'm bored. At this point, They're like, oh God,

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Speaker 2: just tell us what we can watch. But from my mom,

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Speaker 2: I knew it was a big compliment. This is like

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Speaker 2: the comments section of my Instagram.

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Speaker 1: What are we even doing? What are we even doing?

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen today Kaya gerber is with US actress, model,

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Speaker 1: and self proclaimed bookworm. Yes, when talk about that, because

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Speaker 1: I am not well read, and.

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Speaker 2: You find that very hard to believe.

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Speaker 1: I don't have much time. But you went on a

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Speaker 1: journey when you left school. You left high school, right,

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Speaker 1: and you decided, you know what, I'm going to go

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to learn.

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Speaker 2: As much as I can.

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Speaker 1: Everything is it's perfect. Yeah, but I have to ask

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Speaker 1: you this question first. So do you have a core

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Speaker 1: memory thinking back about inside out right, a core memory

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Speaker 1: of when you realize, oh, this is what I want

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Speaker 1: to do. You do a lot of things, so in particular,

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Speaker 1: the first thing that was like I want to do this,

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Speaker 1: I want to be this. Was there a moment or yeah,

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Speaker 1: you remember, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I think in terms of literature, my brother is two

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Speaker 2: years older, and he was covering of Mice and Men

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Speaker 2: for his class. Okay, and I was probably far too

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Speaker 2: young to be reading it, but I saw that my

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Speaker 2: mom was reading it with him, and I was really interested,

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Speaker 2: so I started reading it with them, right. And then

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Speaker 2: when it came to do our book reports, I think

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Speaker 2: I was probably in second grade and you could choose

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Speaker 2: whichever book, and a lot of people were doing like

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Speaker 2: you know, Nancy Drew and like the Box Car Children

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Speaker 2: and stuff, and I chose to do with Mice and Men,

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Speaker 2: and I traumatized a bunch of you know, six year olds,

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Speaker 2: and but that I think that was really the thing

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Speaker 2: that showed me that I really loved that starnback easy

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Speaker 2: sort of gateway into literature.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, heavy themes, heavy themes.

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Speaker 2: Did you graduate school?

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Speaker 1: I did, so I went, yeah, graduate to high school,

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Speaker 1: and then I went to the University of Washington in Seattle,

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Speaker 1: and I was on the five year plan. I started

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Speaker 1: with a love of acting, but didn't feel like that

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Speaker 1: go to college and to study get a career.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is anyone in your family artists other than you?

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Speaker 1: Well, my mom liked the community theater and she could

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Speaker 1: play the piano. By my dad was also over a

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Speaker 1: piano player. Yeah, she was one of those sit down

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Speaker 1: and she could play anything. I know it was correct.

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Speaker 2: I'm jealous.

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Speaker 1: I am too. I studied piano, can't play a thing.

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Speaker 1: But she was the one who encouraged me in the arts.

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Speaker 1: So tried school. I actually left school briefly to go

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Speaker 1: and then I had a summer stock experience and then

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Speaker 1: I was like, I think this is what I should do.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm better at this than I am at

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Speaker 1: anything else that I'm doing. That's how I stepped into

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Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, you are now fully engaged in the world.

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Speaker 2: Which is how we met.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was similar, where like I did a lot

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Speaker 1: You were the second Tree? Was tren number too good

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Speaker 2: That was my first role.

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Speaker 1: Really, Yes, I also were the tree you were? And

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Speaker 1: what Yeah Wiley and the Hairy Man. Yeah, children's theater.

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Speaker 2: Every great actor starts out as a tree.

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Speaker 1: I mean you have to. It's crucial, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: what is it about a tree that I think is, so,

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Speaker 1: what did you learn is playing a tree?

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Speaker 2: What I learned about being Tree number two specifically, was

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Speaker 2: you still have to go to all the rehearsals. You know.

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Speaker 2: It's not like, oh, you're the tree, so you get

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Speaker 2: off easy. And I think this is true for pretty

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Speaker 2: much every acting job I've had, no matter how big

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Speaker 2: the part is, the commitment is pretty much the same,

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Speaker 2: and you know, and if you love it, you want

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Speaker 2: to bring all of yourself to it. So I think

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Speaker 2: being Tree number two the act. Actually this is the

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Speaker 2: part of the story I didn't tell and people don't know.

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Speaker 2: But I got cast as Tree number two, right, and

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Speaker 2: I was so committed and I showed up early to

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Speaker 2: every rehearsal and I knew everyone's line is not just

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Speaker 2: think because they saw how committed I was amongst all

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Speaker 2: these other eight year olds who didn't really care. And

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Speaker 2: they then gave me the role of Anti m like

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Speaker 2: three months into rehearsal because they were like, this poor

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Speaker 2: So I got to do a couple performances as Antim.

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Speaker 1: I would have been happy just to get to be

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Speaker 2: I know, well that was what I was going. But

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Speaker 2: then when I got Auntim, I was like, it's over.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I see it was Auntie m but.

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Speaker 2: I yeah, it was definitely a reach. It was a

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Speaker 2: reach of a role. But I am a character actor.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you are. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I once had someone tell me that I was a

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Speaker 2: character actor stuck in a leading actress's body. That's funny,

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Speaker 1: I think it's true because you have a sense of

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Speaker 1: humor and you're fearless, thank you, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: a big part of being a character actor, and you

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Speaker 1: want to take You're more interested in creating the person

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Speaker 1: as opposed to playing yourself a reversion of yourself exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think that you're a character actor?

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Speaker 1: Yea, because I think leading actor's body. I have a

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Speaker 1: I wanted to wonder some difference.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I also sometimes find that the leads are kind

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Speaker 2: you'd call the secondary characters are really the interesting ones

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Speaker 2: where you get to play and like there's maybe more

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I feel the same way. I think you

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Speaker 1: I think you can be one of the eccentrics.

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Speaker 2: Yes, in the outside, which is Yeah, what was your

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Speaker 1: Role, Well, when I my first role ever was Noah

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Speaker 1: of if it was a core memory was I had

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Speaker 1: dropped out of school, as I mentioned, and then I

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Speaker 1: that summer I went to summerstock at the Flat Rock

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Speaker 1: Playhouse in North Carolina, and I found my way there

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Speaker 1: through it was securitous. I played the lead role in

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Speaker 1: Look Homeward Angel, which is a play they did every

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Speaker 1: it's his personal story. Yeah, and I played him as

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Speaker 1: a young man Eugene, and he's sort of the lead

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Speaker 1: And it was with an equity cast and from New

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Speaker 1: do more than just in high school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that for me was kind of like, okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So you were theater before screen I?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, screen Dune was my first thing.

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Speaker 1: I'd never been in front of a camera before. I'd

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Speaker 1: I'm clearly clueless. Is there what I'm doing?

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Speaker 2: But do you think because you were kind of clueless,

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Speaker 1: I was fearless because my training. Yeah, I was still terrified,

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Speaker 1: And the role in Blue Velvet was more like closer

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is sometimes scarier.

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Speaker 1: It can be very scary. Yeah, what's been this? Have

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Speaker 1: you had something that's like really scared you that you've done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm terrified all the time, but everything

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Speaker 1: It doesn't show they thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's all pretty much all I'm focusing on is not

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Speaker 2: showing how scared I am. But I just did a

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Speaker 2: play and it was my first one since I guess

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Speaker 2: becoming a professional actor, and I started doing theater, so

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Speaker 2: I was more comfortable doing theater. But then I had

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Speaker 2: spent so much time doing screen acting jobs and going

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Speaker 2: back to doing community theater, like I did it at

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Speaker 2: a little theater here that was you know, ninety nine

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Speaker 2: think I just it was terrifying, and it was all

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Speaker 2: the things that I don't do in front of people,

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Speaker 2: like cry, scream, sing, dance, like just.

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Speaker 1: All the things very emotional for the character. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was working with these three incredible, like

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Speaker 2: So I've kind of felt like in over my head,

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Speaker 2: but I was so grateful for the experience because I

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Speaker 2: nice that you got to do that, and then go

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Speaker 2: been working for her, yeah, so long. And that's true

439
00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,359
Speaker 2: for Charlie. So I think she was really ready and

440
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 2: grounded and knew who she was and it really was

441
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 2: about the world catching up to her, not about her

442
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 2: changing for the world.

443
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, and she just she handles it so

444
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 1: so well, and she's such a terrific performer. She comes

445
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 1: out with energy.

446
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,639
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Yeah, when you see her up there,

447
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 2: You're like, I could never approach this person. I could never.

448
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, so strong commands a whole entire arenas

449
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,400
Speaker 2: and then is such a person and such a wonderful,

450
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 2: generous person to talk to. But I also wonder like

451
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 2: when you have moments like that, because I'll have you know,

452
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 2: like we went and saw Charlie and it was like

453
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 2: the whole cast of overcompensating. Yes, And I wish I

454
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,119
Speaker 2: journed Old Moore remember these things more because I'm like,

455
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,080
Speaker 2: that probably was a moment in your life. Was that

456
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 2: normal at that moment in your life.

457
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,679
Speaker 1: For me to go, No, I hadn't got to a

458
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,360
Speaker 1: concert for so long, okay, but it was really fun

459
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 1: to be with friends, like, oh this is great, so

460
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 1: many and the crew and it was there and it

461
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: was just so comfortable and so and so nice. And

462
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: we got to support a friend.

463
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

464
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 1: I mean she's a new friend to me, but she's

465
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 1: a friend, you know.

466
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And also I'm like, well, I have like

467
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 2: kids one day and be like I was that.

468
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,159
Speaker 1: Charlie sweat that sounds kind of like me right now.

469
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 2: I'm like, this might be that.

470
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so funny. Yeah, my son is like, what, Dad,

471
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,360
Speaker 1: what's going on? Well, when you were younger, did you think, oh,

472
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 1: my mom's so cool?

473
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: No, I still don't think she's. I mean I think

474
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 2: she's I think she's a really cool person. Yes, she's

475
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 2: a total dork lady. But I will say the older

476
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 2: I've gotten, the more I can take kind of a

477
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,320
Speaker 2: step back and see and appreciate what she's done. And

478
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 2: I remember watching they did this supermodel documentary on Apple.

479
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, and I watched.

480
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 2: It and I was like sobbing in tears, and I

481
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 2: called her and I was like, I think, you know,

482
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: when she's my mom, I'm not asking her, like, so,

483
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 2: why did you decide to do Playboy or what how

484
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 2: did you do the Pepsi commercial? Like I wasn't thinking

485
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 2: about that stuff, And so to actually hear her story

486
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 2: and I was like, I never I failed to ask

487
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 2: her all of these interesting things. I really that was

488
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 2: like a huge moment for me where I realized, especially

489
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 2: because she didn't come from a family in the industry

490
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 2: at all, so I'm like, how did you navigate? Like,

491
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 2: I don't know what I would do without her? Yeah,

492
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,959
Speaker 2: So I'm now there's like so much more curiosity as

493
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: I've gotten older.

494
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 1: I think it's normal. Yeah, we begin to sort of

495
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 1: look away. You're no longer focus here on yourself, focus

496
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: on out in the world.

497
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: And there is a curiosity about my first eighteen years

498
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: or like.

499
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: I mean there's no me. Yeah, there's nobody. It's about me,

500
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: about me, you know, I'm you know, I'm sixty six

501
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:53,800
Speaker 1: and it's still all about me.

502
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 2: No, I'm just yeah, if you do it right, it's

503
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 2: still it's gonna always be about it.

504
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: It's just interesting to me, you know, growing up with

505
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: someone obviously so successful at what she did. Yeah, that

506
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: at some point in time there will be a curiosity.

507
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 1: But and Randy too, just about his success and why

508
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: and the choices, and you know, just as a learning mechanism.

509
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: And my wife, Desiree is so good at talking to

510
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: our son about She's a really good life lesson giver.

511
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: So if there's something that happens, she will frame it

512
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 1: for him in a way that's like that I didn't

513
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: have that experience. And she just says this is actually

514
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: a very good thing. And they will tell you why.

515
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: He's got a great mom amazing, So yeah, it's really

516
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: it is.

517
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: Good to have. Like my mom's quite like that. She's

518
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 2: very She's very much like, let's go through it together,

519
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: like this has happened to me, let's talk about it.

520
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 2: And my dad is kind of more of a quiet,

521
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: understanding person. But then every once in a while, like

522
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 2: we'll go on a walk or something and he'll say

523
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: align to me and I'm like, yeah, I mean, work

524
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: of genius.

525
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,479
Speaker 1: And you're paying attention.

526
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 2: But it's like it's really they're they're sort of more rare.

527
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: My mom's like very much like talk into therapy, like

528
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: has always been that way, and my dad is like quieter,

529
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: but then he'll just drop a line that like rocks

530
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 2: my world and I'll think about it for, you know, years.

531
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: I want to ask you a little bit about the

532
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: modeling world and as you're working through a series, if

533
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 1: you're working with photographer and you're doing a series of

534
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: looks and things, and that process of telling the story

535
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 1: and the kind of character that you develop. I find

536
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: it fascinating that you actually it is a creative journey

537
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: and you are telling a story. I mean, and you're

538
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: using movement, and you're using you know, obviously a light movement,

539
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: what you're wearing and everything. I would love to hear

540
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: your experience with that from that perspective.

541
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I'm happy that you see it that way.

542
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people don't see it that way,

543
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 2: but I always saw it that way. It's such a performance,

544
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: and I think because I had been doing theater for

545
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: so long when I started modeling, I kind of had

546
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 2: to view it as a performance. Otherwise I'm so uncomfortable

547
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 2: in front of a camera, which people wouldn't believe. But

548
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: like when I do red carpets or like have to

549
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: show up as myself, I don't. It's like I've never

550
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: had my picture taken before. Like I'm shaking. I get

551
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 2: so nervous. I know so many actors who feel that

552
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 2: way too, who are like they get so nervous to

553
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 2: have their picture taken. So I, even just for myself,

554
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: started developing characters so that I was able to go

555
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: stand and perform in front of a camera and not

556
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: feel so shy because I was really shy as a kid.

557
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: And you know, I started modeling when I was like fourteen,

558
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: and that's scary of all these grown ups looking at you,

559
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: and you're like, if I do a bad job, all

560
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: these people's hard work is going to go to waste.

561
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: And I think as a model, and I feel this

562
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: way about acting to some extent, but really as a model,

563
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: like you're there to showcase everyone's art. You know. It's

564
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: like the photographs, art, the lighting, the makeup, the clothes,

565
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: our art, the hair is computer art.

566
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: It's like yeah.

567
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: And so for me, it was always like I don't

568
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,239
Speaker 2: want to let these people down, and I want to

569
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: tell their story and like figure out the best way

570
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: that I can tell the story that everyone is here

571
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 2: to tell. So I always would come up with little

572
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: characters and little things that entertained me on set, and

573
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: I would rarely tell people I was doing it. But

574
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: you know, like I don't think I would have been

575
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: able to confidently or even walk a runway like confidently,

576
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: Like that's so not my personality. Like I walk into

577
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: a room and I'm like this, but then you have

578
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: to you know, you are going and walking a runway

579
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,479
Speaker 2: and you have to look confidence. I would come up

580
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: with different sort of character characters, which.

581
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 1: I think is the journey towards acting, it makes sense

582
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: that you would then be drawn into the world where

583
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: you're now actually creating a character for a long, longer time,

584
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: longer time period.

585
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the more that a photographer was like, this

586
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: is the story we're telling, this is sort of who

587
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 2: this person is. I would get really excited, Like whenever

588
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 2: I would get to a set and there was a

589
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 2: storyline or there was a very clear sort of idea

590
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 2: of the story we were telling, that would get me

591
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: really excited. And then there were other times where it

592
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: was like stand and do nothing, and then I was like,

593
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: I'm bored and I feel uncomfortable. So I appreciate the

594
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: part of it that, Yeah, I think it in a

595
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: lot of ways, like prepared me to be comfortable and

596
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: to get comfortable also living in my head with a

597
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: character for a long time and sustaining that, and like

598
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: also not sharing a lot of that process with people,

599
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: Like I'm not really the kind of actor that's like,

600
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 2: this is my preparation that I did and this is

601
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 2: And some people do that, and I appreciate when they

602
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 2: do because I like hearing how other people do it,

603
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: But I don't know how to talk about it really

604
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: like what happens in my mind. And so I think

605
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 2: I got comfortable doing that from modeling because I would

606
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: just to entertain myself, like create entire people and then

607
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: go be them, and oftentimes people wouldn't know if they

608
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: would just think I was being myself.

609
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah in life. Yeah, I also think an editor

610
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: a good editor on a shoot, Yeah, it can be

611
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: incredibly helpful. I just sort of tell the story. To

612
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: help tell the story, absolutely.

613
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 2: I think I'm also curious how you feel about this

614
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: because it used to be all film, and so I

615
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: felt like there was so much and I've shot a

616
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: lot on film as well. There's so much attention on

617
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 2: you as the subject when it's on film, and they're

618
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: not obsessing over little things. And now with digital, everyone's

619
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: looking at a computer screen and so you're kind of

620
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: like up there by yourself a lot of the time,

621
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: and they're looking at you, but they're not really looking

622
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 2: at you. They're looking at the clothes or the hair

623
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 2: or whatever.

624
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: Ye.

625
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: So I always found that interesting where everyone was like,

626
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: I'm standing up there alone and everyone's like over there

627
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: looking at the computer screen.

628
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: You're right, it has changed. Yeah, when I first started

629
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: it with film, there was no video village, you know,

630
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: was away looking at something. Yeah, and true. When I

631
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: started early with taking photographs for certain things, there was

632
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 1: no kind of trying to look at what was already

633
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: filmed and shot. It was really about if I felt

634
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: like there was and I still is the energy of

635
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: capturing something special through the lens, which is the communication

636
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: between you, the camera and the photographer. Yeah, and now

637
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of been I don't know, it's been sort

638
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: of weak in somehow. And similar with him. I remember

639
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: working with when we shot Blue Velvet with David, there

640
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: was no no monitor. He would sit right in front

641
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: of the camera, usually something in the dolly or right

642
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: there next to it, and he was watching exactly as

643
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: close to what the lens was seeing as as the operator,

644
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: you know. And I think so he was feeling it

645
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: like the photographer would feel and said, that's right, you know,

646
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: he knows, you know what.

647
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: I mean, an instinct thing.

648
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you have someone that you've worked with a

649
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: couple of times, or someone that you would consider maybe

650
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: a mentor or partner.

651
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: Or I mean I have I've never worked with the

652
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: same director twice, but I've I've worked with Rachel Sennett,

653
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a bit. And I and my first film,

654
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 2: my first film that anyone saw, was Bottoms. So I

655
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: really felt like her and Emma Seligman, our director, and

656
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: Iodebris were like especially in comedy, because I never thought

657
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: I would ever be in a comedy. They were like

658
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: they felt I just learned so much and they weren't like,

659
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: let me take you under my wing. But I just

660
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: watched them and learned so much from them. And then

661
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: I've I've been on this TV show, Palm Royal. We

662
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: just did a second season, and Kristen Wigg has been

663
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: like just a dream of a mentor, especially in comedy.

664
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: I'm so happy to hear She's just like the loveliest

665
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: you know, exceeds all expectations, and I just get to

666
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: watch her work every day, and that's I'm such a sponge,

667
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: Like I just sit and kind of watch. A lot

668
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: of people are like, are you okay, and I'm like, no,

669
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just processing information, learning, And I think,

670
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: especially early on in your career, it's wise to just

671
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: kind of like observe as much as you can.

672
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: There's so much you can learn. I still learn working

673
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: with different actors, actors and actress is just kind of

674
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: the process. And that's one of the things I love

675
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: is just watching someone's process. Sometimes it's out of curiosity.

676
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's out of oh, I really like that, or sometimes.

677
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, or never do that. Sometimes it's I never want

678
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: to be that person on the set, And that's just as.

679
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: Valuable, I think completely.

680
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: Like I'm so grateful to have had all ends of

681
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: the spectrum, and I'm sure as you keep working, you

682
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 2: just get even more and more and more. Like I

683
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: work with Carol Burnett, who's just a legend. I never

684
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: thought I would get to work with Carol Burnett. She's

685
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: the easiest person to work with. She's so prepared, she's

686
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 2: so funny, she's so lovely, she's always in a good mood.

687
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: And I'm like, if anyone had any excuse to be

688
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: a total diva, Carobernet could get away with murder as

689
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned. And she's the loveliest, So like

690
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: that has been such a lesson for me, and oftentimes

691
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: the people who are really incredible people that you look

692
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: up to conduct themselves in a really kind, lovely way

693
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: on set. I found.

694
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a true pro and forever and she comes

695
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: with a tremendous mount of gratitude and skill, and I

696
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: think she you know, it's one of the things working

697
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: on a set like that. The energy of this of

698
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: the space, the creative space is so important. It's important

699
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: to me, and it needs to be a place where

700
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: there is acceptance, there's freedom, there's there's just a creative

701
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: energy that flows and anytimes that there's an interruption from

702
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: that and it can come into verry different types of forms.

703
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: And it hasn't happened to me that frequently it's becomes

704
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: not a pleasure and not creative. It becomes work and

705
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: an effort and you just can't wait to finish.

706
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: I know. And I really, I really don't subscribe to

707
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: the belief of like it needs to be a struggle

708
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 2: to make interesting art. And I mean, like, I really

709
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: think the best art is created in a safe place.

710
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: And one of the people that taught me that was

711
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: Laura Dern.

712
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: Like she she's great.

713
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: She is so great about having strong creative boundaries but

714
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: also being so lovely to everyone. And I really was like, Oh,

715
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 2: that's where incredible work happens is when everyone feels safe. Yeah,

716
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: And I wonder how much of that was learned because,

717
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: like you, David Lynch was like one of her big mentors.

718
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so my first you think with David and

719
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: that was exactly The environment that he created was one

720
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: of safety. I went on and to work with other

721
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: directors where that was not necessarily a priority, and I

722
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: didn't really enjoy that. You know, you you do what

723
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: you have to do, and you create your own space,

724
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You you adapt and adjust.

725
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: But when it exists among the actors, and you know,

726
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: David is very specific about his casting, you know, you

727
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: create a little family, you know. Yeah, and then there's

728
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: a and there's a real connection and joy and love.

729
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: That's just just innate. Yeah, that environment, Yes, it's such

730
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: a place that I love to work from.

731
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: It's so funny because like when I did the play,

732
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: I was like, God, this is going to be so

733
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: hard for my parents to watch. I was playing a

734
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: woman who was really suicidal, had a lot of anxiety,

735
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: and like, I'm a firm believer of like, you don't

736
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: become other people necessarily, it's just like you dial up

737
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 2: or down different parts of yourself. And I was like,

738
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: this is going to be really hard, especially for my mom.

739
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: To watch because I give like a suicide voicemail to

740
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: my mother that's really upsetting. And my first thing going

741
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: in I was like, how am I going to cry

742
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 2: every night? And then suddenly I was like, how am

743
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: I going to stop crying? After this scene? And on

744
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: opening night my parents were there and I was like, think,

745
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: I just was, you know, doing the voicemail, and I

746
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: knew my mom was in the audience, and I was

747
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: just like, oh gosh, my poor mother. Yeah, and we

748
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 2: kind of got off stage and I was like, Okay.

749
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: She's like that was great. You're so brave. I was like,

750
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: but like, did you cry? And she's like no. I

751
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: was like, she's like, well, I knew it wasn't you.

752
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, but you weren't moved to tears. She

753
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: was like no. But that's why it's kind of fun

754
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: to have parents who are not actors, is like they're

755
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 2: just they just think I'm insane for doing what I.

756
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: Do, right, But it's incredibly brave.

757
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, which as an actor coming off stage, you don't

758
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: necessarily want to hear that was brave. But for my mom,

759
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: I knew it was a big compliment, yes, but from

760
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: anyone else I would have been like, okay, yeah, yeah,

761
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: that was brave.

762
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, so interesting that you were more concerned about how

763
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: she might feel then oh my gosh.

764
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: Yeah and she was fine. Yeah, I mean truly, not

765
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: a tear fell. She was completely fine.

766
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: To give your mom more credit, it's like, oh, yeah,

767
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: she's fine with that.

768
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. But they can handle it. They're pretty they can

769
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: handle I think at this point they're like, we can

770
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 2: pretty much handle anything.

771
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, good, Yeah, that's a good sign. You're doing

772
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: something right.

773
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: Well, I think they are doing something right all right.

774
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: Books to film.

775
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 2: They're starting to do film first and then write the

776
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: book after, which is interesting. Adapting books, especially really Loved

777
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: Ip is scary because it can go south, as we've learned, No,

778
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: but then there's also like incredible examples and like, I

779
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 2: really think the marker of a successful adaptation is anyone

780
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 2: who hadn't read the book, watches it and then wants

781
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 2: to read the book, Like I think Call Me by

782
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: Your Name was a great example of that. A lot

783
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: of especially in the US, a lot of people hadn't

784
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: read that book and then went on to read the

785
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: book after the Luca Godonnino film. So I think I

786
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: think similarly about normal people Like I had read that

787
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: book when it came out, and then I loved the adaptation,

788
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: and then I read it again, and a lot of

789
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 2: people like, just watch the TV show and then read

790
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 2: the book. So I think that that's sort of the

791
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: for me, the marker of a successful adaptation. Yeah, have

792
00:36:58,560 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: you done any adaptations?

793
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: Well, Dune was my first film.

794
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: That's a scary one too, because that's like a huge

795
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: piece of IP.

796
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: When I went to see the New Dune with Tivioty,

797
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 1: I was part of it. I was with some trepidation

798
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: because I said, it's gonna be the only Dune, you know,

799
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: and our main Dune is going to be put on

800
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: the shelf. And then I watched it. I said, no, actually,

801
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: I think there's room for both of these.

802
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: They're so different, different, so different.

803
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: And it's the same, you know, it's the same story,

804
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: but there they look different, they feel different, the energy

805
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: is different. They cover different territory than some of the

806
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: territory that we covered the books.

807
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 2: There's so much in there's the thick book.

808
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 1: It's just yeah, it's incredible and it covers so many

809
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: possible themes and yeah, so.

810
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 2: That's one of the beautiful things about adaptations is a

811
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: lot of the time it's up to the filmmaker the

812
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: writer to decide what lane they want to take and

813
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: like what approach, because you can't. I think it's very

814
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 2: rare that a strict adaptation is successful because they're different

815
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: mediums for a reason, you know, And so many of

816
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: my favorite books are so internal and then you think about, Okay,

817
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: let's adapt this, and then you're like, but nothing actually

818
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: really happens in the story. A lot is happening up here.

819
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: That's one of the problems with doing Actually it's very internal. Yeah,

820
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: you know, we try to solve that with these voiceovers. Yeah,

821
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: it's a very difficult challenge.

822
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 2: That's one of I think the traps of adaptations is

823
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: that a lot of the great pieces of literature are

824
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: so internal and then you go to write an actual

825
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: narrative story and you realize there's not really enough to

826
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: sustain two hours. But I think, like what I what

827
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: I loved about also the New Dune is a lot

828
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: of people then went back and watched your.

829
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: Dude, Yeah they both exist now, yeah, and.

830
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: They're so different. And also even just with like CGI

831
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: now and how huge it is, and like so much.

832
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 2: Your film was so practical, which is I think magical

833
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: in its own way, Like I think that they're so Yeah.

834
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: I love seeing all the different interpretations.

835
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: That's sweet. Yeah, different, different, different interpretation and different level

836
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: of sophistication in terms of the process. Yeah, tell me

837
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: about this The shar Yes.

838
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: Speaking of adaptation, I am doing an adaptation of The Shards,

839
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: which was like doing a book that I read when

840
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 2: it came out and was obsessed with. It's Brett Easton Ellis,

841
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: who I'm such a fan of. I've read everything he's done,

842
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 2: and the book came out like four or five years ago,

843
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: and I was obsessed with it, and I just it's

844
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: also very la I grew up here, and it talks

845
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: it's so specific about like I took some pulvita doubt,

846
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: you know, like, and so reading it while being here

847
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: was just really like nostalgic for me for a place

848
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: that I am. And yeah, and it's a book that

849
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: I love. And Ryan Murphy got the rights and is

850
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: adapting it.

851
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: And did he reach out to you?

852
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: Did you he called me? It was very kind of

853
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 2: like the synchronicity of it all was really Sometimes things

854
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: just happen where you're like, this all worked out just

855
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 2: as it should. And so I read the book. When

856
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 2: it came out. I met with Brett about something else,

857
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: but we just had a meeting, like a general meeting.

858
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 2: We were talking about this other thing and he was

859
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: and I just was like, I just have to say, like,

860
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: I love The Shards. I'm such a fan. And he

861
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: was like, oh my gosh, you you would be great

862
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: in it. And I was like, well, I don't know

863
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: what you're doing with it, but if you ever do

864
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 2: anything with it, I will do whatever you want. Yeah,

865
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: let me audition. And he was like, okay, I'll remember that.

866
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: And then Ryan Murphy, who really gave me my first

867
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: job on American Horror Story, called me and was like,

868
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: do you know this book The Shards? And I was

869
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 2: like yes, and I was like, I've actually met from

870
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Speaker 2: where I was like years ago, and we talked about

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Speaker 2: it and he was like, well, I was talking to

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Speaker 2: Brett about it. I'm going to get the IP and

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Speaker 2: we both brought your name up at the same time,

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Speaker 2: and it was like, this really incredible. I'm like honored

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Speaker 2: that they thought of me. I I didn't when I

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Speaker 2: was reading it, like I just was like, I want

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Speaker 2: to be in this world, even though it's full of horrible,

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Speaker 2: horrific you know, serial killers. I was so drawn to it.

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Speaker 2: It's like one of those books. What's been so touching

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Speaker 2: to me is when they announced that they were adapting it,

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Speaker 2: how many people reached out and were like, I love

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Speaker 2: this book. Even people that I that I don't necessarily

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Speaker 2: think consider themselves readers or bookworms found that book and

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Speaker 2: really like just consumed it. So I think that book

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Speaker 2: kind of like hooks you and just swallows you in

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Speaker 2: a good way.

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Speaker 1: I know you like Shakespeare. I like Shakespeare. I have

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Speaker 1: an idea of something that we can do together that

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Speaker 1: should be a lot of fun. So stay tuned. We're

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Speaker 1: going to have a little shakespeare fest here. Shakespeare Festival

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Speaker 1: you and me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm going to get found out.

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Speaker 1: Here we go. So this is a little segment that

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Speaker 1: came up with called the I Roast Shakespeare's best insults. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to insult you your scroll.

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Speaker 1: Oh once I hit you with my first one, you're

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Speaker 1: going to want to insult me. Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 1: There's no more faith in thee than in a stewed

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00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: prune ahead.

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00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: To your best out of my sight? Thou dost infect

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Speaker 2: mine eyes?

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Speaker 1: Mean? I thought you were a nice person.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's getting they actually get more evil.

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Speaker 1: You are as a candle, the better burnt out hurt.

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Speaker 2: If I cry, you can cut it out. More of

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Speaker 2: your conversation would infect my brain. You're supposed to.

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Speaker 1: Be no, because I agree. Here is the babe as

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Speaker 1: loathsome as a toad.

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Speaker 2: I think my ex one said that to me. The

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Speaker 2: tartness of his face sours ripe grapes.

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Speaker 1: That hurts. It's not true, winemaker, your brain is as

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Speaker 1: dry as the remainder biscuit after voyage. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 2: Comment section of my Instagram.

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Speaker 1: This is This is Shakespeare on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be nice if the haters had to comment

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Speaker 2: in Shakespeare?

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Speaker 1: We should encourage them. Yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 2: I am sick when I do. Look on me.

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00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes simple is the best.

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Speaker 2: It's sometimes it's about a dry reading.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thou art a boil a plague sores.

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Speaker 2: Really mean thou lump on foul deformity.

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Speaker 1: No one's ever called me lump lump.

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Speaker 2: No one ever called me boil.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for you are very exkilled in the art

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Speaker 1: of insult throwing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I think we should do a revival of

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Speaker 2: Romeo and Julia.

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Speaker 1: Oh. I think that's a great idea. I know that

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Speaker 1: play well. Okay. I can't thank you enough for being

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Speaker 1: my guest here on the show. What are we even doing?

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Speaker 1: And especially after that last skit? What?

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Speaker 2: What are.

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Speaker 1: Dressed like? This? Your Shakespeare is unparalleled perfection than you.

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Speaker 1: May you one day do, Juliette. I think that would

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Speaker 1: be really wonderful.

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Speaker 2: I'm going for nurse, but we'll see, We'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: The character actor. Anyway, it's been a real pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed a conversation. So we'll catch up soon.

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Speaker 2: I'll see you whenever Charlie xx is back on tour.

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, back to the concert. I love it.

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Speaker 1: And so where we're going to find you next?

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Speaker 2: That's my next thing.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited Palm Ral season two okay, with Carol

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Speaker 2: Burnett and Laura.

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Speaker 1: And Laura and Laura. I think I should come visit. Please,

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Speaker 1: it would be fun.

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Speaker 2: Please.

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Speaker 1: Carol Burnet has always been have you met her? I

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Speaker 1: never met her, but I grew up with her comedy

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Speaker 1: she and Tim Conway there and Harvey Korman just really

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Speaker 1: do it for me and it.

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Speaker 2: Still holds up. I have to say, yeah, it really,

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Speaker 2: it really is still so funny.

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Speaker 1: It's a great show. Yeah all right, well thanks for

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Speaker 1: having Thank you so much. What Are We Even Doing

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Speaker 1: is a production of iHeartMedia and the Elvis Duran podcast Network,

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Speaker 1: hosted by me Kyle McLachlin and created and produced by

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