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Speaker 1: how the arms measure in Indie. That will help him

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Speaker 1: as an undersized guy. You want to be long, Yeah,

430
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Speaker 1: you gotta be able to get to be able to

431
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Speaker 1: create separation from those long offensive outle So yes, it

432
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Speaker 1: has to be some day we look at something to

433
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Speaker 1: keep an eye on there. All right, the next guy,

434
00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:05,920
Speaker 1: last guy on the list. Here, we're gonna go over

435
00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,720
Speaker 1: what we love and what concerns us. But before we

436
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 1: get to it, we're gonna let his coach tell us

437
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,439
Speaker 1: what he thinks, because carry On Johnson is the name

438
00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,600
Speaker 1: running back from Auburn and we had a chance to

439
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,840
Speaker 1: catch up with the Auburn coach Gus Malison down and

440
00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,440
Speaker 1: mobile and asked him about his talent at running back.

441
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Speaker 1: All excited to be here with Auburn head coach Gust

442
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,959
Speaker 1: Malison and coach are exciting for you to have all

443
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Speaker 1: these players out here from Auburn at the senior Bob.

444
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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna throw you a curveball talk about the

445
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 1: kid is not here and that's that's your running about.

446
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Speaker 1: Carry On Johnson. Can you just ruw us back through

447
00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 1: the recruiting process and which you saw from him and

448
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Speaker 1: wanting to bring him in the phone. We started recruiting

449
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,879
Speaker 1: and we felt like he had a chance to be

450
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Speaker 1: a special player just his athleticism. He's very intelligent, um,

451
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,359
Speaker 1: you know, he has a great skill set and and

452
00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 1: really football savvy. And that's really what stood out to

453
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Speaker 1: me we were recruiting him. You know, a coach having

454
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Speaker 1: had an opportunity look at him. He's not only a

455
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Speaker 1: special runner, asset and outside, but he catches the ball

456
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Speaker 1: out of the backfield and today's game high important is

457
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Speaker 1: it to have a running back. Yeah, it's very important,

458
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Speaker 1: especially with what we do. But and the thing that

459
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Speaker 1: kJ can do, he's such a great protector, and I

460
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 1: think that gets overlooked. And he's got great courage. Uh,

461
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 1: he can really dissect things when things change, and he

462
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Speaker 1: catch the ball in the backfield. And what really impresses

463
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Speaker 1: me is he's very patient and he's got great ball security.

464
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Speaker 1: So I really think he's a very versatile complete back.

465
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Speaker 1: It's funny when you say patient, because when I first

466
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Speaker 1: watched him, I reached out the bucket. I said, man,

467
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Speaker 1: it's it's got a little levion bell to him with

468
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Speaker 1: just his patience to be able to see in sort

469
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Speaker 1: and then once he pushes the gold button, he can

470
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Speaker 1: really go. Yeah, he's sure can. And he's a tough

471
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Speaker 1: guy too, and um, I got a lot of respect

472
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Speaker 1: for him, and he's just a great person. I think

473
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Speaker 1: he's gonna gonna be a great professional. You know, coach,

474
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Speaker 1: when you think about running backs and how important they are,

475
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Speaker 1: how point is to have a workforce backer guy that

476
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Speaker 1: can carry the load and kind of do everything if

477
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Speaker 1: you need him to be the guy. Well, I think

478
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Speaker 1: that's what you saw this year. I mean, he's got

479
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Speaker 1: that killer instinct in the fourth quarter, that's when he's

480
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Speaker 1: at his best. And you know, he can carry the

481
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Speaker 1: ball thirty times, you know, against the top teams in

482
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Speaker 1: college football, and I think that says a lot about him.

483
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Speaker 1: The last one from me, coach, this, is there any

484
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Speaker 1: kind of a story that you think that's a great

485
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Speaker 1: exam but not only what type of player carry On is,

486
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: but maybe what you're getting this as a person. Yeah,

487
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Speaker 1: he's a tough guy. A lot of times she would

488
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Speaker 1: be banged up early in his career and I'd go

489
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Speaker 1: to check on him. Hey, Yoka, coach, I'm good man.

490
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Speaker 1: Just just let's do our thing, you know. So he

491
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Speaker 1: has that mindset and that toughness about him. Pretty interesting, uh,

492
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Speaker 1: conversation there with coach Malazon on his start pupil there

493
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Speaker 1: and well, I mean, I think he has the best

494
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Speaker 1: um seed in the house in terms of being able

495
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Speaker 1: to look at the kid every day. And when I

496
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Speaker 1: look at him, I see a versatile running back who

497
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Speaker 1: was smooth, who has the ability to kind of do

498
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: so many different things from that dit position. He can

499
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Speaker 1: run the ball inside, he's effective, he has enough power

500
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Speaker 1: to break tackles, He can turn the corner when they

501
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Speaker 1: put him on the edges, catches the ball out the

502
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Speaker 1: back field. I think he has the ability to become

503
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 1: a very good route runner and so you get a

504
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: three down back I got it, never has to remove

505
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Speaker 1: the leave the field, and he has the ability to

506
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Speaker 1: impact you impact the game as a receiver. That's ideal

507
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Speaker 1: in today's game. Leve Bill, David Johnson, tig Gerally, all

508
00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: those guys have been able to make that impact. That's

509
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Speaker 1: would you get from mcarry and Johnson. Yeah, I'm a

510
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Speaker 1: fan of his and I talked about the patients in

511
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Speaker 1: the an interview there with the coach and and the elusiveness,

512
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Speaker 1: the shiftiness that he has. And I don't throw this

513
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: out there likely haven't been around him, but Lashaw McCoy

514
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Speaker 1: he's got a little bit of that looseness to him

515
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Speaker 1: where he's able to miss. You make guys missing Tyke

516
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 1: quarters uh concern. I just he doesn't have that top

517
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Speaker 1: top juice. But the more the longer we do this, Buck,

518
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: we talked about all the time, how overrated is that.

519
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Speaker 1: I mean, let's not get carried away with that. It's

520
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: overrated at the running position. I I believe you need

521
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Speaker 1: to be able to play the game and attend you

522
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Speaker 1: our box. It is really about the stop star quickness,

523
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Speaker 1: your ability to make people miss uh finished runs with

524
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Speaker 1: power and authority and then catch the ball out of

525
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Speaker 1: the backfield. And I actually move that last thing that

526
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Speaker 1: I brought up to one of the top trades. Being

527
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Speaker 1: able to catch the ball out the backfield is more

528
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: important than anything now because people are turning towards the

529
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Speaker 1: running back to be the ultimate mismatch creator. He is

530
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Speaker 1: the one guy that can get open versus linebackers indefenders

531
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Speaker 1: where if they're pressing your guys on the outside, you

532
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 1: can turn to the running back to get some production

533
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Speaker 1: in the past game all right, A coach who listens

534
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Speaker 1: to our show, um sent me a direct message and

535
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Speaker 1: this is a it's just a real quick topics, not

536
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Speaker 1: even on our shoet. I just thinking of this as

537
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Speaker 1: we're talking about these running backs. But he said it,

538
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Speaker 1: are you concerned about Sae Kwon Barkley's negative run percentage

539
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Speaker 1: and what other running backs in the past that were

540
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Speaker 1: like that that had you know, but what he's getting

541
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Speaker 1: as a percentage of runs to go for negative yards

542
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Speaker 1: and viewing him as a quote unquote home run hitter.

543
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Speaker 1: Um is that? Does that concern you? At always? Sae

544
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Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley, What do you say that? Well, I mean,

545
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Speaker 1: obviously you don't want to see negative runs, but I

546
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: think it kind of depends on the style of play

547
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: and what he was asked to do. Um in that

548
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: offense at Penn State, it was supposed to be an

549
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: r P O based offense. He really shouldn't have had

550
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Speaker 1: negative runs because the ball should have been handed to

551
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Speaker 1: him unless it was the ivy's read for the quarterback.

552
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Speaker 1: I'll go back and look at it, but ideally, I

553
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Speaker 1: think when you're looking at Sa Kwan, the reason he's

554
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Speaker 1: attractive as a quote unquote home run hitter is not

555
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 1: just what he does as a runner, but a lot

556
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Speaker 1: of it is what he is able to do as

557
00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: a receiver that has really been underrated or undervalued. He

558
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Speaker 1: is a guy that I envisioned catching fifty to sixty

559
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Speaker 1: balls off the backfield while also being a twelve yard

560
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Speaker 1: running back on the ground. And so when you think

561
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Speaker 1: about that kind of production, think about Todd Gurley and

562
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Speaker 1: how Todd Gurley was able to be used. I want

563
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: him because I never have to change my personnel grouping.

564
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: I can keep him on the field, I can move

565
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: him out wide. I can do so many different things.

566
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Speaker 1: That is why he has valued over some of the

567
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Speaker 1: other guys at the top of the board. And when

568
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: I was thinking of guys okay similar, I wrote down

569
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Speaker 1: Chris Johnson, Chris Johnson, you would watch him maybe not

570
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Speaker 1: negative runs even would be one to one, three eight boom.

571
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Speaker 1: It was like, let's go old school. We did. We

572
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Speaker 1: did a song earlier. Let's go, uh, how about do

573
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Speaker 1: you remember? Uh? This is I believe it's a Will

574
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: Smith not a big hit, not a big but it was.

575
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Speaker 1: It was boom, shake, shake, shake the room, and then

576
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: went tick tick tick tick boom. That's it. That's the

577
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Speaker 1: run that hym love that back there in the back.

578
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: It's all about the was that Will Smith hie them.

579
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Speaker 1: There's also a song that the Rodman tick tick tick,

580
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: nothing like that. It's always a little more new school,

581
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: I think, a little more a little new country. Boom,

582
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Speaker 1: shake the room, Yes, was it Will was it Will Smith? Well,

583
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Speaker 1: thank you it was Will It was? Yeah, tick tick

584
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Speaker 1: tick tick boom. That's that's I was hoping you weren't

585
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,479
Speaker 1: going summertime or anything. Oh no, Buck, here it is.

586
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: It's a groove slightly transformed. I was I was hoping

587
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Speaker 1: it was just a little bit of a break film.

588
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: So but and I was trying to figure out where

589
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: you're something to break the monotony of all that hardcore. Alright,

590
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: I'll stop, all right, let's we're almost running that time.

591
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: Let's I'm thinking about the Hives. Tick tick boom, the

592
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: Hives two thousand seven, two thousand seven, asked my time. Yeah,

593
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: a little bit like a forty year old man that

594
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: I can't I can't be talking about two thousand seven music. Uh,

595
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: real quick, Buck, Guys that jumped out lately. When we

596
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: watched him on tape, I wrote down on Jesse Bates

597
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: the Safety from Wake Forest. I know boo about this guy.

598
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: I watched him. He's he's six to the list A

599
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: one ninety five, which is a little bit slight. But

600
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 1: he has got corner movement. He is fluid, he's explosive.

601
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: Watch the Louisville game. He sucks up Lamar Jackson the

602
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: alley several times. He does some stuff over the slot.

603
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: I think he could play in the nickel if he

604
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 1: wanted to. He's got ball production, He's tough, does have

605
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: some miss tackles. He'll get over aggressive at times and

606
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,479
Speaker 1: miss some tackles. But man, he's a safety you need

607
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: to know in this draft class. He's he's a good player.

608
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: Wait Forest, how about that buck? I know that was

609
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: my second choice. Wait, Wake is fake? Is that what

610
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 1: it was? I don't know. We don't know. However, that

611
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: was my second choice because have you looked at this

612
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: guy at all? I have not had opportunity to have you.

613
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: I have never heard one word about this. I'm just

614
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: amazed that you're able to find him. Wake Forest going

615
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: to the combine listen, I was like, who is this kid?

616
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: You had to do? He can play, he can't look.

617
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: Wake Forest has done a good job. Dave Clausen has

618
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: done a great job of turning this program around, getting

619
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Speaker 1: him back on track. So I'm sure they have some

620
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: really good players. I'm excited to dig into him. My

621
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 1: guy comes from a similar program Wisconsin. Troy from mcgali

622
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: end from Wisconsin is a guy that look I watched

623
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: him in the Big Ten Championship game. I watched him

624
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: throughout the year. His story we just posted on NFL

625
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: dot com guy with only nine fingers, but he is

626
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 1: a big time pass catching does a great job of

627
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: plucking the ball and doing some things in the passing game.

628
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: And when you go back and you look at the

629
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: tradition at Wisconsin has had in terms of producing tight ends,

630
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be the next one that

631
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: makes his mark in the league. Saw him a little

632
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. I like the height, I like

633
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: the pass catching radius. I like what he does a

634
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: little bit as a blocker, but more so as being

635
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: able to just kind of get open functional numbers. I

636
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: think he has a chance. I think he has a

637
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: chance to be a nice value tied end somewhere thinking

638
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: about the middle round, third round, fourth round, somewhere there.

639
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a shot. I gotta finish

640
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: him up. I have not finished him up yet, just

641
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: from little bit I've seen, though, I came away thinking

642
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: this guy's function on the run game, which is a compliment,

643
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: and today it's a compliment to I mean, like most

644
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: teams are not even using the time and they just

645
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: put the sixth offensive lineman, and so the big thing

646
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: is Canny be functional. Does he embarrass you when he's

647
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: asked a block in the running game. But more important

648
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: than can he do something in the past game, his

649
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: size pass getching radius certainly a big target over the middlefield.

650
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: All right, uh, before we get to building our team

651
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: up the middle here real quick, this is the cool

652
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: thing about living in southern California is that all these players,

653
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: so many of them train out here, and so over

654
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, we've both had the opportunity

655
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: to sneak out and watch some of these guys work.

656
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: And I know you've got out and seen Rosen in

657
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: the past. I'm looking for I think we're gonna go

658
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: see Rosen. Is that later this week or next week? Yeah?

659
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: I think next next, that's next Okay, Yeah, we're gonna

660
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: go see Derwin, James and and uh and Josh Rosen

661
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: work out. But there's so many guys out here. So

662
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: I had a chance to go with JP, your guy

663
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: Jordan Palmer, who is a great quarterback teacher. Every time

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Speaker 1: I've been around him, I learned something That's the highest

665
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: compliment I can give somebody, is I I feel like

666
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: I'm there. I'm there to watch the players and get

667
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: a better field for the players, get to visit with them,

668
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: which is great. But I'm sitting there as a former

669
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: quarterback and having two boys that play the position. I'm

670
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: sitting there taking notes. Look at this, this is great.

671
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: That Okay, why are you doing this? He does some

672
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: cool stuff, but anyways, I'm a big fan of his.

673
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: I went down there and watched he's training with Sam

674
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: Donald in with Josh Allen. Get a chance to watch

675
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: those guys and visit with him. Just two little nuggets

676
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to throw out there, um to share with

677
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: you in the in the folks listing. But it's always

678
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: fascinating what are you focusing on? What are you trying

679
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: to improve? And when I looked at Josh Allen, what

680
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: they were doing with him, what JP's doing with him

681
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: is Josh Allen overstrides at times. And so one of

682
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: the reasons why that happens is because they're talking about

683
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: how when he gets to the top of his drop,

684
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: he's too narrow. So when you're too narrow to start from,

685
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: then you overstride and then you have the ball drop

686
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: and you see the ball take off. So they are

687
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: really really working with him on balance and getting you know,

688
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: staying aligned and not and not overstriding don't get too narrow,

689
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: which gets you too wide. Uh, just stay nice and balance.

690
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: So they're working on that and when it lines up

691
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: for Josh Allen, but he rips it when it when

692
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: it's lined up, it's a matter of consistently getting him

693
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: in that position. That's what they're working on with him.

694
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: And I think if they can shore that up, because

695
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: his footwork is early tied to his accuracy issues, um,

696
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: he can he can become the player that everyone thinks

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00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: that he could be at the next level. I think

698
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: the big thing where Josh Allen, as he's learning how

699
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: to utilize these tools that Jordan Palmer is equipping him with,

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00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: can't he get enough reps to make it become very

701
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: very natural for him if he does this? Guy mean,

702
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: who knows Scott's limit? Yeah, no question to me. It's

703
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: just getting that stuff iron out. I think he is

704
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: the ideal candidate to go to a place. Just give

705
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: him one year, maybe two years, don't throw him out

706
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: there right away, and just be patient with him, and

707
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: it could have a really nice payoff. I know it's early,

708
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: but man like, if you're just gonna script a situation

709
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: for him, that's perfect, it's really the giants to just

710
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: go sit behind Eli for two years and then learn

711
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: from him and be able to go. He's as a

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00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: young kid man. He's he's he's got some stuff to

713
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: still figure out. But I do believe in what he

714
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: ultimately can become. He's got it all in him. He

715
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: has all the tools, he has all the trades. Like,

716
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: ultimately he is the one that scals are going to

717
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: wrestle with. Is it the trade the potential versus the production?

718
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: How do you go about? How do you make that decision?

719
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: How about Sam Donald? Sam Donald, it's uh, it's interesting

720
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: that really work on unlocking his hips. He's got a

721
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: live arm. When you go down there and see him live,

722
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: he's got plenty of arm. Now, Josh Allen has a

723
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: freaking huge arm, so he doesn't have Josh Allen's arm strength.

724
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: But it was Wendy down there in St. Clementi and

725
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: Sam cuts through it really easy. Everything is the way

726
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: I would describe it as Sam is always every throw

727
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: is like a minus B plus, a minus B plus, accurate, consistent.

728
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: I know exactly what I'm getting. But they're working with

729
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: him on unlocking his lower body a little bit more.

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00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: He gets a little bit more life on the ball

731
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: when he does that. But all the off platform throws

732
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: and all the different drills they do, he just he's easy.

733
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: Everything is just real natural great athletes, former basketball player.

734
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: It was a big time basketball player that could put

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00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: the ball in the hole. So he said he could

736
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: dunk pretty good too. I gotta find some video of that.

737
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure this was a big time player. And obviously

738
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: we've talked to Clay, and Clayholten is big on believing

739
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: that quarterbacks should be basketball players because the vision and

740
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: some of the athleticism does trades translate to football. The

741
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: thing with Sam Donald really and I don't know if

742
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: he can answer it didn't workout ball security. I think

743
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that anybody ever has on him is

744
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: a calming himself down, because he's such a gunslingers, such

745
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: a big time player and a one competitor that he

746
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: wants it all and sometimes you want him to just

747
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: kind of understand like sometimes the defense wins, we'll take

748
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: the check down. You don't have to be a hero.

749
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: And then when you feel the pressure around you, just

750
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: secure the ball so you don't turn it over. So

751
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: that if you can master those things look, man, the

752
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: dude is the dude is a dude. I don't want

753
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: to uh, I don't want to reel him in too

754
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: far and being aggressive his good qualities. But on the

755
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: second point, it's interesting what they're doing so uh. Jordan

756
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: Palmer has him. When he's not in a drill or

757
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: when he's waiting to throw, he always holds the ball

758
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: in his left hand. The thought being when you watch

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00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: Sam and a lot of his fumble issues happen when

760
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: things break down the pocket, he wants to get out

761
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: or move his hands separate, So when he's going to

762
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: when he's trying to get out of trouble is his

763
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 1: instinct is to separate your hands and move. So by

764
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: carrying the ball always in your left hand, you're you're

765
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: constantly drilling in his head. Keep your left hand on

766
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: the ball at all times, so you the left hands

767
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: on the ball, you slide around, move around, just make

768
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: sure you your left hand never comes off the ball.

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00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: That's brilliant. It's a brilliant teaching point for him, and

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00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: that's something that Jordan I give him credit for for

771
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: identifying that coming up with kind of a creative way

772
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: to put that thought in your head. Yeah, just saying

773
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: take care of a valuaball um as if your life

774
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: depended on it. I think those are the turnovers that

775
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm more concerned about. I'm not gonna worried about the

776
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 1: gun in the pocket, the fumbles and those things, and

777
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: that is why. And I've talked to you a little

778
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: bit about it. But Sam reminds me a lot of

779
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston in terms of like how they play and

780
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: how they move. I think he's a better athlete than James,

781
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: but I think some of the things that Jamimes has

782
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: struggled with as a pro has been the phone was

783
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: and just kind of understanding when to let it go.

784
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: I think they're very, very similar in dead aspect. But

785
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: you're right, I don't want to rein it in because

786
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: he's going to make far more plays then he gives

787
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: up by being that guy that kind of tows the

788
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: line when he comes to the conservative nature of his play.

789
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: All Right, we gotta do this quick here because we're

790
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: really down our last couple of minutes. We talked about

791
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: building your team up the middle. It's a philosophy baseball

792
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: teams believe in. You've talked about talking with folks that

793
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: really believe in any sport you want to build your

794
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: team up the middle. Yeah, A long time ago, I

795
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: had an opportunity when I was playing in Jacksonville. Dick Geron,

796
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: who was the defense coordinator, time, longtime defense coordinator the league,

797
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: who played at Yale UM. He always told me a

798
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: lot building your team in football is just like building

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00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: your team in any other sport. You want to build

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00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: a strong down the middle. On baseball, we talked about pictures,

801
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: short stuff, second base, center field. The catcher plays a pole.

802
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: Basketball it's the point guard in the center, and football

803
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: is right down the middle center. Uh, quarterback, you're thinking

804
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: about mic linebacker, free safety, de tackle. You need to

805
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: have strong guys in those And so the exercise that

806
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: you proposed, let's go is what is your favorite team

807
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: building it right down the middle. So I'm gonna read

808
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: off my list, go for it, read off my list

809
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: at center. I feel like I feel like Chicago Bulls

810
00:34:54,320 --> 00:35:00,479
Speaker 1: announced from Ohio State. But Billy Price, Billy P. Billy

811
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: P would be my senter quarterback. I'm gonna still stick

812
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: with the natural. I know you would go with Sam Donald.

813
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: So I didn't want to have this. You can't give

814
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: my list while you're I just know who you would pick.

815
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: So I'm going with Josh Rosen and running back, I

816
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: have Darius guys who underrated in terms of what we're

817
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: talking about. Then d Tackle. I know we're in agreement

818
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: on this one. I don't know. I think we are.

819
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't know unless you canna go, are you going

820
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: to rehearse? I'm not going Nope. I when Derek Noddy

821
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: whoa different Just just give me something different ideal because

822
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: i can't take all the number one. So I'm trying

823
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: to take some other guys to Bill Okay linebacker. I'm

824
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: really we're really not going to agree on this one.

825
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 1: Oh who we got Josie Jewel, Yeah, from you? And

826
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna finish this safety. I'm gonna take Derman

827
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: James to play behind oh Man. If this was I

828
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: just needed an air horn. I felt like if this

829
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: was a basketball team, there'd be a running clock in

830
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. Josie, Josie would foul out. I feel

831
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: like he's too He's a he's a tough sidel taking

832
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: people out. I'm Brad Stevens, you could be Steve Kerran

833
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: just just wrote the ball out Steve Kurd leaving his

834
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: team to coach. I like it. Yeah, that was pretty

835
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: all right. I'm here you take all the number one

836
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: is the best team? What fun is that we're talking

837
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 1: about the same guy. Build your favorite team up the middle,

838
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 1: favorite not best favorite, and like winning. They're my favorite

839
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: base favorite. James Daniels the center from Iowa, Sam Donald

840
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: the quarterback from USC se Kwon Barkley, no brainer. They're

841
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: running back from Penn State. Defensive tackle Vita Via Who's

842
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: I think we're efforting to get on the show here

843
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: the next week or so, we're gonna try and get

844
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: him on. But I knew you would take then, Patrick.

845
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: I like it's safety. If I mentioned all those guys,

846
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: it's redundant. No one wants to hear the redundcy. Look,

847
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna play the hits, but we're gonna play the hits.

848
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: When it comes to how did you? How did you rate?

849
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: UH for your top fives? With Daniels and Price just

850
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: for the top five, I think I had I think

851
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: I had priced. It depends on what scheme you run.

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00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: If you want to bang people, then prices your guy.

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Speaker 1: If you want to be a zone team and the

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Speaker 1: happen in space. Be honest, Be honest. When you saw

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Speaker 1: James Daniels center, Iowa, did you think he was a

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Speaker 1: white guy or a black guy? I didn't really think

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Speaker 1: about it, but I probably had Daniels over price. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I probably assumed. I probably assumed it. Maybe he was

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Speaker 1: a white guy. Maybe. And the tape that I watched

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Speaker 1: at first, they were in there all met black. Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: you didn't know. So I was like, I've told this

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Speaker 1: story before. He didn't move around playing guard? Playing guard?

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Speaker 1: Do we have? Do you have my gut playing guard

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Speaker 1: instead of center? Let me go back and look at

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Speaker 1: the video. Yeah, that's great. My greatest compliment I've told

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Speaker 1: it many times was the recruiting letter I got to

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Speaker 1: Darnell Jeremiah. It was the greatest compliment I've ever had.

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, he thinks I can run. This is great.

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Speaker 1: All right, we gotta get here. I gotta go do

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Speaker 1: a little uh, do a little work across the street.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna do it for us here on moved the sticks.

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Speaker 1: He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Daniel Jeremiah will get you next time.

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