1 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spoffer, joined as always 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: by my partner in crime, Wes Hodko. It's we're coming 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: to you here from our studios at lambeau Field and 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: Wes here to preview Monday Night Football, the first of 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: two Monday Night games that the Packers will play this year, 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: both on the road. This one will be in Las 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: Vegas at Allegiant Stadium against the Raiders. The Raiders are 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: one and three, the Packers are two and two, and 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: I guess the first question you ask with regard to 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: the Raiders heading into this Monday Night game, and since 12 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: it's only Thursday, we don't really have much of a 13 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: read on anything yet, but who's going to be playing 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: quarterback for the Raiders? Will Jimmy Garoppolo be back or 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: will it be the second NFL start for the rookie 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: out of Purdue, Aidan O'Connell, who made his NFL debut 17 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: last week. 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the number one thing to track here this 19 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: week because we'll see, obviously too DeVante Adams dealing with 20 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: the shoulder injury. I would be absolutely flabbergasted if he 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 2: doesn't play in this game. 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, I'm with you there. 23 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: But Garoppolo that kind of crept up out of nowhere. 24 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: I think it was almost like an aftermath kind of 25 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: a thing that happened with one of the games that 26 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 2: the Raiders played and then wasn't available last week. 27 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 3: Oh don you know. It led to O'Connell getting his 28 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:22,639 Speaker 3: first start. 29 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 2: And realistically, it hasn't really mattered who the quarterbacks been 30 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 2: for the Raiders. They've had some issues there. Offensively, have 31 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: not been able to run the ball very well. They've 32 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: given up way too many turnovers. I said this in 33 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: our Insider Inbox column. I mean defensively they've been okay, 34 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: they've been fine. Max Crosby is an absolute beast, but 35 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: they only have one takeaway. And when you have ten 36 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: giveaways on offense and you can't get you know, Josh 37 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: Jacobs going, it's gonna be uphill sledding. So whether it's Garoppolo, 38 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: whether it's O'Connell, the Packers have to pressure the quarterback 39 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 2: in this one. This is I hate to use the 40 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: term get right game because you can look past any opponent, 41 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: but this is the type of opponent that I look 42 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: at the Green Bay Packers on paper, and I think 43 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: to myself, it's on the road, but this is a 44 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: game the Packers should win. 45 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. And you said it with 46 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: regard to the turnovers ten to one through four games, 47 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: I mean to be minus nine after four games. That's 48 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: that's a stark statistic. And certainly the Packers have to 49 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: keep the Raiders, you know, down in the dumps, so 50 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: to speak, with regard to that statistic. And and but 51 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: you talk about you talk about a get right game, 52 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: and it's not something you you want to overplay in 53 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: the National Football League. But we suggested this a little 54 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: bit on our last show. The Raiders offensively are going 55 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: to look at this as their potential get right game. 56 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: With regard to Josh Jacobs, a you know, the NFL's 57 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: leading rusher last year who has not been able to 58 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: get going this season, and the Packers have had their 59 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: struggles against the allowing two hundred plus rushing yards to 60 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: two of their first four opponents. Jacob's averaging just two 61 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: point seven yards per carry through four games, which is 62 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: which is a noticeably low number for a guy with 63 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: his production. Packers have talked about adjusting some things schematically 64 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: and what not to to defend the run better. That's 65 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: that's really going to be I think a big, you know, 66 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: secondary storyline maybe you say, aside from the turnovers with 67 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: regard to the to the Raiders. Here is Josh Jacobs 68 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: and Raiders trying to get him going and the Packers 69 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: trying to get their run defense fixed and uh and 70 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: it's going to be in front of a national TV 71 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: audience on Monday night, and. 72 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: It's the cat and most game that the Raiders were 73 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: trying to play here. They've been doing this for the 74 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: last year. Where it's you know, Josh Jacobs in your backfield, 75 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: DeVante Adams and the perimeter. Where are you going to 76 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: deploy your safeties? Where are you going to give attention? 77 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: Uh? 78 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: And and Adams is you know, just a complete mind 79 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: boggle because you could put two defensive backs on him. 80 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: We've seen three people on him and he still finds 81 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: a way to get open. 82 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. He likes to count them, yeah, to see how 83 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: many people are guarding him. 84 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: But the way I count him is, well, if you 85 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 2: have three people back on number seven tight, you have 86 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: you know, eight others that are responsible for the other 87 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: ninety percent of the field, and right that's where I 88 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: thought Josh Jacobs, that that compliment of one another really 89 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 2: helped them last year having the seasons that they had. 90 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 3: But Jacobs had the holdout. 91 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 2: He obviously felt some type of way about his contract 92 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: and how he wanted to be paid, and like a 93 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: lot of these running backs, working through that, he finally 94 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: comes back and this just hasn't been able to get 95 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: back on the tracks. I'm fully aware of this because 96 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: he's on my fantasy football team and I'm also off 97 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 2: to a one and three. 98 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 3: Start to this season, so we're doing great right now. 99 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 3: Well there you go. 100 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: But I will say this though, Michael, the Greenmit Packers 101 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: have to be up for this matchup, and they have 102 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: to look at Josh Jacobs as the threat that he 103 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: was last season, yes, and being able to contain him, 104 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 2: whether that is Rudy Ford or Darnell Savage being in 105 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: the box, whether that is you know, Devondre Campbell if 106 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 2: he's not out there, and it's Isaiah McDuffie running with 107 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: kway Walker, the Packers have to find a way to 108 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 2: clog the holes because whether they got stretched against Atlanta 109 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 2: or they kind of got bulldozed a little bit, against Detroit. 110 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: Green Bay has just had a hard time getting hats 111 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 2: to the ball and that has to change or Josh 112 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: Jacobs will very seriously make make you pay for that. 113 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. That is definitely a top priority 114 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: here for the Packers. You said it earlier from within 115 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: the context of it doesn't seem to matter who's playing 116 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: quarterback for the Raiders. Their offense has just kind of 117 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: been what it's been this year, and DeVante Adams continues 118 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: to prove that it doesn't matter who's throwing him the football. 119 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: I mean, thirty three catches, three hundred ninety seven yards 120 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: and three touchdowns through four games. Like, oh, by the way, 121 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: DeVante Adams is just on pace for another sixteen hundred 122 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: yard fifteen touchdown season here for an offense that that is, uh, 123 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, hasn't found its way yet. I mean what 124 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: Davante Adams, and I mean you and I know this, 125 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: anybody I understand you know Adams, he left Green Bay 126 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: on good terms. He had his own reasons for wanting 127 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: to go. The front office accommodated him. The Packers made 128 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: the best they could out of the trade, and DeVante 129 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: Adams has said in certain public forums that you know, 130 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: he felt he needed to he needed to prove he 131 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: could be who he was, you know, without Aaron Rodgers, 132 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: without a Hall of Fame quarterback. 133 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 2: All that. 134 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: Well, those of us who were here knew that. Anyway, Like, 135 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised in the slightest what he's done with 136 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: the Raiders because look at the second half of twenty seventeen. 137 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: For half a season, he had a backup quarterback in 138 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: Brett Hunley throwing him the ball and he produced. Yeah, 139 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: he was the focal point of the offense. Everybody knew 140 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: he was the focal point of the offense with Hunley 141 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: at quarterback, and he still produced on a regular basis 142 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: and won some games for the Packers with some big plays. 143 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 1: So it doesn't surprise me at all what Adams is doing. 144 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: If he slowed down a little bit by that shoulder injury, 145 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: that won't bother me too much here because that could 146 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: help the Packers defense. And we'll see from a matchup standpoint, 147 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, if Jyu Alexander is back from the back injury. 148 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: There was some positive news earlier this week. Now, the 149 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: Packers haven't gotten into their full blown practice preparation mode 150 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: for the Raiders at the time we're taping the show. 151 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: Because of the Monday night game, things have been pushed back. 152 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: But after the weekend following the Thursday night game, the 153 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: Packers were back on the practice field Tuesday. Elton Jenkins 154 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: was back at what was back at practice after missing 155 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: a couple of games. Alexander was back on the practice field. 156 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: Luke Musgrave, who left the Lions game with a concussion, 157 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: he was back on the practice field, and it appeared 158 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: as far as we can tell that Aaron Jones and 159 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: Christian Watson were going through their practice routines coming out 160 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: of the Lions game. No worse for Whear when they 161 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: had made their returns following injury. So David Baktieri is 162 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: on injured reserve Andandre Campbell wasn't practicing. John Runyan wasn't practicing. 163 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: So there were some guys who remain out at least 164 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: as of this moment, but some potentially good news for 165 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: the Packers on the health front. 166 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: And I will hop over to that party with you 167 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: in a second here, but I just want to close 168 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 2: on one more thing about DeVante Adams. Just strange. There's 169 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: two strange anomalies right now with Adams in addition, you 170 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: mentioned him already had four hundred receiving yards. He still 171 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: hasn't even broke one yet this season. That's just pure 172 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: possession type receiver stuff, and that will happen. The Packers 173 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 2: have to hope that it's next week or further down 174 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: the line. But the other thing too, he is the 175 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: Raiders offense right now too. That's probably the thing that 176 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: has confused me the most. I mean, Hunter Renfro has 177 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 2: not done anything so far this season. Austin Hooper has 178 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 2: not produced anything. I mean, and I'm not trying to 179 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: be a jerk about I'm just saying, like they have 180 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: like fifty receiving yards. Jacoby Myers came over, He's had 181 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 2: a couple opportunit. Josh Jacobs has gotten some opportunities in 182 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: the PASK game. But Tay is it right now? Yeah, 183 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: So that's the part I'm really curious to see. We'll 184 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: see about Ji R Alexander getting back over to the 185 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 2: injuries and how the package, but how they match up 186 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: with this because if the Packers were defending the run 187 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 2: better right now, on paper, it would seem like, Okay, 188 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 2: well yeah, Jy your travels with them, you give him 189 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 2: some cloud help things you can do with the cover 190 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: two to facilitate that. But if you do need to 191 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 2: kind of give some extra thought early on to the 192 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: to the run defense, that's where I if again we 193 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 2: got to see how Jaws back is, but that this 194 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: seems like the type of matchup where you actually do 195 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 2: want to see those guys kind of go head to 196 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: head and see if your best can try to negate 197 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 2: their best. 198 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 199 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely, well. Most of most of the health news with 200 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: regard to the Packers is on the offensive side of 201 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: the ball, and you already mentioned on the defensive side 202 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: of the ball. For the Raiders, you got Max Crosby. 203 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: He is a handful to deal with. The Las Vegas 204 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: Raiders have seven sacks as a team through four games. 205 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: Max Crosby has four of them. He's he is the 206 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: He is the guy on the defensive side of the ball, 207 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: and it would certainly help Green Bay in terms of 208 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: finding some level of stability on the offensive line if 209 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: Elton Jenkins can can get back in there. We don't 210 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: really know what his status will be as the week 211 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: goes along, but the fact that he was back on 212 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: the practice field Tuesday. He only missed the two games 213 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: after getting hurt in Atlanta. He said, you know, now 214 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: they weren't in you know, full full pads and you 215 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: know all the banging and stuff. But he told reporters 216 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: after practice on Tuesday, he got through the Tuesday practice 217 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: with no you know, with no pain or no real 218 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: issues at least in that moment. So you know, it 219 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: looks like Rashid Walker is is the guy the Packers 220 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: want to go with at left tackle in Bakhtiari's place, 221 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: if you can get a veteran pro bowler like Jenkins 222 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: back at left guard to be next to next to 223 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: that young guy. And uh and obviously the hope is 224 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: also that Zach tom is you know, a little further 225 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: removed from whatever happened to his knee in the Saints game, 226 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: and he's had a little bit of extra time as 227 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: opposed to having to deal with that knee on a 228 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: short week, which is what happened against the Lions. So 229 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: hopefully some things turning in the right direction health wise 230 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: for the Packers. On offense. 231 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and again, Max Crosby, he won't be moved around 232 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 2: as much as Hutchinson was last week. I mean, Aiden 233 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: Hutchinson was playing everywhere, but cornerback, it felt like. But 234 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: the thing about Crosby is he's just a mauler. He 235 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 2: is just a marauder. I mean, he just goes at 236 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 2: you play after play after play. 237 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: He's like a back alley dude in a sense, like 238 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: out a football field, like you just it's like you 239 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: have to deal with him, but you really don't want 240 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: to mess with him, like I don't know if that 241 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: makes any sense. 242 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 2: And his size, I mean for that position, he just 243 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: he is a sixty minute headache to deal with. And 244 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: going back to a couple of years ago, even when 245 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 2: he wasn't necessarily producing the sacks, I think he still 246 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: ended up being All Pro that season because of how 247 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: much teams are his pressure, how which he got the 248 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 2: quarterback off the spot. Now, the difficult thing for the 249 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 2: Raiders is I think they had certain feelings, you know, 250 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: a year ago when they get Chandler Jones, that was 251 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: going to be the one too. Now Chandler Jones is 252 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: out of the picture, so there is going to be 253 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: a lot more attention. There has been a lot more 254 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 2: attention on Crosby, who has entered this kind of the 255 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 2: peak of his powers sort of stage of his career. 256 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: What I like about. 257 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 2: Elton though, if he can play in this one, even 258 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: if he's not at left tackle, even if he's not 259 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 2: the guy that's solely responsible for Crosby, having someone like 260 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: Rashid Walker, having a resource like that with Jenkins is 261 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 2: really valuable. You know, all credit in the world to 262 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: Royce Newman, but Jenkins is a two time Pro Bowler 263 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: now that has played really every position at the NFL 264 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: level to the highest ability, And if you have him 265 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: on the field, as much as you want to have 266 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 2: Dave out there, and as much as we talked about 267 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 2: that all off season, Elton was a part of this future. 268 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: He was the guy that they just extended. He was 269 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 2: going to be sort of this building block for them 270 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: moving forward. I think that can go a long way 271 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: for this Packers' offensive line. In addition to the fact 272 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: that despite whatever Zach Tom was going for last week, 273 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: you and I talked about it, he wasn't flawless against Detroit, 274 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: but he gave them a yeoman's effort against the Lions 275 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: to hold down that right tackle spot in a week 276 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: in which Green Bay was really hurting on the offensive 277 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 2: line with John Runyon also dealing with the ankle here's. 278 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: The interesting thing to me schematically with regard to Crosby. 279 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: If the Packers can get Elton Jenkins back, because if 280 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: you're Max Crosby and you're trying to rush Jordan Love's 281 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: blind side, so you're coming off of the left side 282 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: of the offense, how often do you want to stunt 283 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: inside where then you know the guy who's going to 284 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: pick you up as the pro bowler, as opposed to 285 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: stay outside where it's a first year starter in Rashid Walker. 286 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: So it would make sense that Crosby is going to 287 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: want to perhaps stay outside a little bit more rather 288 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: than you know, run, run the games and the stunts 289 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: with his fellow defensive lineman. Well, if that's the case, 290 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: then that helps the Packers zero on him in a sense, 291 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like because as you said, 292 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: he's not moving around in terms of where he lines 293 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: up the way Hutchinson did. But you know, they're always 294 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: going to be doing stunts and games and things like that. 295 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: And if and if Elton jenkins presence maybe just maybe 296 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: limits what they want to do there schematically because of 297 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: the matchup, well then you know x's and o's wise, 298 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: you can figure out how to give Rashid Walker a 299 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: little bit of help and protect Love's blindside. And and 300 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: you know, so I think there's a there. There is 301 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: an interesting piece to the uh to the chess match 302 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: there with regard to Crosby. But the other thing with 303 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: this Raiders defense, as you said at West four games 304 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: into the season, they have one takeaway, one interception. They've 305 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: not recovered an opponent's fumble. I think the opponents have 306 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: only put the ball on the ground a couple of times. 307 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: Ye. 308 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: It's it's a defense that has not been able to 309 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: generate takeaways and that's something that the Packers have to 310 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: continue as well, have to protect the football the way 311 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: they were protecting the ball in the first couple of 312 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: games of the season. 313 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 314 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: And much like you know, everyone always likes to talk 315 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: about the Packers and all they have all these first 316 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: round picks on defense, the Raiders don't have very many 317 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 2: at all. And that's a product I think of kind 318 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 2: of getting out of the Mayock era a little bit 319 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: and now transitioning into this new spot where they're in 320 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: a way of which they're trying to compete, but they're 321 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 2: also kind of rebuilding. It's like this this half life 322 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: that kind of the vikings are in as well. For 323 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: Green Bay standpoint, though, the part I'm really curious to 324 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: see is, Okay, if you get Aaron Jones out there 325 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: finally where he's uninhibited, if you get Christian Watson out 326 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: there more than you did a week ago, being able 327 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: to kind of start to play the chess match with 328 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: defenses rather than more of the checkers, because it's like, Okay, 329 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: I give Matt Lafleur in the offensive coaches a lot 330 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: of credit the game plans that they came up with 331 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: when you're featuring you know, don Davian Wicks is a 332 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: rookie fifth round pick when you're trying to get the 333 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: ball into Jaden Reid's hands. But let's be real, all 334 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: summer long, it was about Jones, it was about Dobbs, 335 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: it was about Watson. That's the building block, that's the 336 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: foundation of this offense, and we haven't been able to 337 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: see him together at all so far, realistically, outside of 338 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: a couple snaps last week. Right, If those guys, when 339 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: you talk about the health of this football team, in 340 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: addition to the offensive line, you get your skill position 341 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: players going here, Now, what can you do now? What 342 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: kind of matchups can you do because I really don't know, 343 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 2: not knowing every forty time of the Raiders, I'm not 344 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 2: sure how many people can run with Watson in this 345 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: defense right now. I'm not sure how many people can 346 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: go sideline to sideline the way that Aaron Jones is 347 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: going to stretch you. That's the aspect, that's the dimension 348 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: of this offense that we have yet to see. And 349 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: I really wonder when you're looking at this matchup and 350 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: what Green Bay needs to achieve to slow down Max 351 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: Crosby and to be able to get downfield with the 352 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 2: football start faster, how those two guys could play into that. 353 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think certainly with the way the Packers want 354 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: to get their running game going, as you know, sort 355 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: of that best friend for Jordan Love, you know, the 356 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: boost to the pass protection is going to come from 357 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: getting the running game. And if you get Elton Jenkins 358 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: and Aaron Jones back on the field for a full 359 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: compliment of snaps, I think that could potentially do wonders 360 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: for the Packers running game. I want to ask your 361 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: thoughts on some other keys to victory here in a moment, 362 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: but first some sponsor business serious XM NFL Radio delivers 363 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: hard hitting analysis and up to the minute NFL news 364 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: that true football fanatics need. Twenty four to seven, three 365 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: sixty five at a Cousin Subs, we have something for everyone, 366 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: like our Wisconsin Cheese Kurds, mac and cheese, golden fries, 367 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: and creamy shakes, all paired with your favorite sub or 368 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: sub in a bowl. Cousin Subs fifty years of better. 369 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: All right, So we've talked quite a bit about the 370 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: turnover issue. But aside from that, what is the at 371 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: the top of Wes Hodkowitz list as far as a 372 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 1: key to victory for the Green Bay Packer. 373 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: It's all the run game, all of it. The Green 374 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 2: Bay Packers thirtieth ranked run defense against you know a run, 375 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 2: a run offense, it hasn't really been very proficient so 376 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: far against the Raiders. The Packers run offense as well, 377 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 2: that has struggled out of the gate without Aaron Jones. 378 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: How do they handle I think the twenty fifth rank 379 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: run defense against the Vegas Raiders. We made so much 380 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 2: about Jordan Love and I give Jordan so much credit 381 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 2: the first month of the season, the way he's handled 382 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 2: this thing, how he's helped this team get to two 383 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: and two, but we never anticipated these fourth quarter comebacks. 384 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 2: Everything being on his shoulders right away, and that's the 385 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 2: way it's kind of worked out. He's been put in 386 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 2: a position, some of it himself, some of it some 387 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: things around him. But the Packers need to be able 388 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: to take care of business against the run here because 389 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 2: for two reasons. One you have to execute against the 390 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: Raiders team that there appears to be room. 391 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 3: To execute against. 392 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 2: But two, the bye week is on the other side 393 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: of this thing. Packers, I'm sure we'll do their cross 394 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 2: the hall meetings. I'm sure they'll make some corrections, but 395 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 2: you want to feel good about where you're at. You 396 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: want to feel like you're making positive strides. If they 397 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: come out here and Aaron Jones can put together another performance, 398 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: let't have to touch the ball eighty times. But if 399 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 2: he can put together another performance like he did against 400 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 2: Chicago in week one, if you can get a big 401 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: explod to play from Christian Watson, then that gets generated 402 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 2: off of the defense having to get pay more attention 403 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 2: to Green Bay's backfield. Those are the type of things 404 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 2: that I think you can kind of give a hang 405 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 2: your hat identity sort of thing to your offense moving forward. 406 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 2: But I said in an inbox Mike, I'll say it 407 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: again to close out my point. I think this game 408 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: is going to be won and lost in the run game. 409 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 2: One team's gonna win because of it, and one team 410 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 2: likely will lose. 411 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you there. The only thing I will 412 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: add to that is the fact that you you mentioned 413 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: DeVante Adams hasn't you know, really broken a big one 414 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: yet this year. That that concerns me because a guy 415 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: like that is always due, right, and. 416 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: He's a thirty two yarder, but he doesn't have like 417 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 3: that sixty years. 418 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 419 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, but here's but here's here's here's the thing for 420 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: all of the focus in you know, the narrative in 421 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: what the Packers need to do to stop the run, 422 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: you know, to improve in that area, and they absolutely 423 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: do by the same token. You know what what concerns 424 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: me there is, you know, are they're going to be 425 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: end up being more vulnerabilities to give up the explosive plays. 426 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: And you look at the Detroit game and I've said 427 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: this in a couple of different forms already. 428 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: For as much as the. 429 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: Packers got bulldozed by the run and the Lions racked up, 430 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, the two hundred plus rushing yards. The Lions 431 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: had five explosive plays in the first quarter, five explosive plays. 432 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: When the Packers are playing their defense that is supposed to, 433 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, guard against explosive plays, the Lions had five 434 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: of them in the first quarter that were worth I believe, 435 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty eight of their one hundred and 436 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: ninety four yards in that first quarter when they completely 437 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: dominated and took control of the game. The Packers can't. 438 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's a it's a tough balancing act for 439 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: Matt Lafuer and Joe Barry and everybody who's involved in 440 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: this because for everything that you need to do to 441 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: as we talked about in our last show, to improve 442 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: against the run, to take opposing offenses out of that 443 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: mente of where you know, the Packers are just inviting 444 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: teams to run the ball because they're struggling so much 445 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: to stop it. You can't you can't suddenly start giving 446 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: up explosive plays because that's a recipe for defeat as well. 447 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: And and the Lions. The Lions didn't take control of 448 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: Thursday night's game because they ran the ball down the Packers' throats, 449 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 1: they ran the ball down the Packer's throats after they 450 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: took control of the game with explosive Plays's that's how 451 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: this happened, and you can't lose sight of that as 452 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,239 Speaker 1: you move forward here trying to fix some of the 453 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: things that are ailing you. 454 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: We get these nice Microsoft surface tablets. Thank you, Microsoft, 455 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 2: appreciate you. I didn't even realize this until I was 456 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 2: messing around at NFLGIS here. So Packers had seventeen interceptions 457 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: last season. 458 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 3: Gyra had a big year. 459 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: I'll pro Yeah, the Raiders since twenty twenty one, how 460 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 2: many interceptions do you think they have as a defense, 461 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 2: So two point two five seasons, I don't know, thirteen. 462 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: Interceptions in two and a quarter season. 463 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 2: Six six and one. Wow, that's all that is, Like 464 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 2: you almost think you'd get a couple of like just yeah, 465 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: just tip balls or you know, or that's wild. Yeah 466 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 2: that so it's not really been an anomaly. They're off 467 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 2: to a slow start with the I n TS. It 468 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 2: did a hard time getting them the last two years too. 469 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: They're yeah, they're not a they're not a defense. They're 470 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: not a defense that takes the ball away. They do 471 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: they do like to pressure the quarterback though, and Crosby, Uh, 472 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: Crosby certainly is that guy other games. You know, here's 473 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: the here's the other thing. It'll be very interesting to 474 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: see Minnesota coming off of its first victory of the season. Now, oh, 475 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: by the way, you have to go play the Super 476 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: Bowl champs and the Kansas City Chiefs to try to 477 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: avoid a one and four start as the defending NFC 478 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: North champions. So a lot of Packers fans have their 479 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: eye on that on Sunday. 480 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 3: Packers had to do it last year too. 481 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, enjoy it, Yeah, enjoy enjoy that first place Enjoy 482 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: that first place schedule in in the now seventeen game era. 483 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: But the other thing too, You know, you talked about 484 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: the Packers. You know you want to go in you 485 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: want to go into your bye week feeling good about 486 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: some things. You know, you want to go in with victory. Obviously, 487 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: be three and two, nothing's given in this league. But 488 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions have a Carolina Panthers team that is 489 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: really really struggling, and it's you know, by and large, 490 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: most likely the Detroit Lions are going to be four 491 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: and one after this week. If you're the Green Bay Packers, 492 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: you know, and if you lose to the Las Vegas Raiders, 493 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: you are most likely two games out of the division 494 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: leads suddenly after five weeks, when when you were just 495 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: tied with the Lions before they came into lambeau Field. 496 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: So this game is this game is about getting some 497 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: things right, about getting a win going into the bye week, 498 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: but it's also going to be about keeping pace with 499 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,640 Speaker 1: that Detroit Lions team that is the team to beat 500 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: in the division. 501 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 2: The Lions have to be salivating right now, especially the 502 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 2: veterans that have been on that team that have seen 503 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: the kind of rise up here the last few years, 504 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 2: from a three win team to a team that you know, 505 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 2: finally got a winning season last year to now being 506 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 2: at the top of the division. In addition to obviously 507 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 2: Green Bay, it's gonna be a tough matchup. You gotta 508 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: go down there, you got to go on the road 509 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 2: a stadium they've never played in before. Take care of business. 510 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: But then there's Minnesota against Kansas City. Then there's Chicago 511 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: against a Washington team in Washington that I think is 512 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: a lot better than teams you know that they've been 513 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 2: given credit for. I mean, they took the Eagles right 514 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: down to the wire last week. 515 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what you're Honestly, I'll say 516 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: that I don't know what you're gonna get from Washington. Yeah, 517 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: they got absolutely blown out of the stadium by the 518 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills or was it thirty seven to three or 519 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: something like that. And then so they're, you know, a 520 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: huge underdog on the road against the Philadelphia Eagles and 521 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: they take their division rival right to the wire, and 522 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: you know they had a shot to win if they 523 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: go for two that on that last second touchdown pass. 524 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: But not only that, they were beating the Eagles for 525 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: a good portion of that game and then had to 526 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: score a touchdown at the end to force the overtime. 527 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what you're gonna get with Washington. When 528 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: you throw throw in that, it's on a short week, 529 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,239 Speaker 1: it's even I think it's even less predictable as to 530 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: what the commanders are going to look like. 531 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll take it up in one more notch. What 532 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 3: are you going to get from the Chicago Bear? 533 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, no kidding When you have that type of performance 534 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 2: against that opponent and then finally lose. 535 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, to blow a twenty one point lead at home 536 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: against a winless Broncos team and now you have to 537 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: go travel to the East Coast on a short week. 538 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. So getting back to my original point, like, Okay, 539 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: let's just say the odds are what they are, and 540 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 2: you know they have the Bears. Let's say they take 541 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 2: an elegance Washington. Let's say Kansas City finds itself offensively 542 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: and takes care of business against Minnesota, Detroit beats Carolina. 543 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 3: They're going to. 544 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: Be looking alright going into that Monday night game against 545 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 2: Green Bay, you know, trying to see what the Packers 546 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 2: do against the Raiders. That's the benefit of being the 547 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 2: front runner. That's the benefit of being able to handle 548 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: those situations. For the Packers' perspective, though, there's one opponent 549 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 2: you can worry about now, and I thought they had 550 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: the right mentality in that locker room coming out of 551 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: that loss against the Lions. Kenny Clark Echoedoya earlier this 552 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 2: week as well, you can't do anything about that one yet. 553 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 2: Six weeks from now, seven weeks from now, you have 554 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 2: an opportunity again, but you don't have that now. The 555 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: only thing you can do now is try to go 556 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 2: into allegiance, try to shut down DeVante, try to take 557 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 2: the ball away a little bit, keep your quarterback clean, 558 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: and get into that by with three victories. 559 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, quickly before we go big game in the NFC. 560 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: In the larger picture of things, the Dallas Cowboys against 561 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine Ers. 562 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that, well, I'm really interested to see 563 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 2: how Dallas handles the forty nine ers now offensively. 564 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 565 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: I now Deebo has been kind of banged up as well, 566 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 2: so we'll see how he's doing. 567 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: Dallas doesn't have digs on the defensive. 568 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 3: They don't have digs. 569 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: And Christian McCaffrey when he's healthy, man, he's arguably the 570 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 2: best player in the NFL. 571 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 3: Here's what I love about it. 572 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: There was a tweet I saw earlier today before we 573 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 2: hopped in the studio from Robert Mays and an incredible 574 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: look into what Kyle. 575 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 3: Shanahan is doing right now. 576 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 2: And he is playing teams two steps ahead of what 577 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 2: they're giving them defensively, I mean, they whatever the plan 578 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 2: is that they're getting, it's like they're just turning it 579 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 2: on its head and finding some type of weakness to 580 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 2: exploit on a week to week basis. And with that quarterback. 581 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 2: I mean, here's the thing, Mike. You can draft a 582 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 2: quarterback second overall, you can take them with the last pick. 583 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 3: In the trap. 584 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: What you ultimately need is you need somebody that is 585 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 2: going to play the scheme as it's intended and make 586 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 2: plays when they're presented. Brock Purdy gives you all of that. 587 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 2: May not have the biggest arm, may not have the 588 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: prototypical size, but he executes this scheme better than anybody 589 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 2: I've seen. 590 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: And he protects the football, and he protects the football. 591 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 2: So when you have McCaffrey of all this, I think 592 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 2: this is a gut check moment for the Cowboys because suddenly, 593 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 2: if the forty nine ers run you over, now you're 594 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 2: three and two. Now you've got questions to answer. So yeah, 595 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: I like the forty nine ers chances in this, but 596 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 2: obviously Mike and I love the scheme that they run 597 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 2: down there with O'Brien. It's just a question of whether 598 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 2: or not Digs. Everybody laughed at the Digs injury, not 599 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: the injury per se, but it's like, oh, he's not 600 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 2: that big of a player. Anybody can cover for two 601 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 2: seconds and it's like that was it. He was a 602 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: big ball hawk. Yeah, and now he's not there. 603 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I mean, there are guys who have a 604 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: nose for the ball in this league and uh, and 605 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: turnovers play such a huge part in the outcome of games. 606 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: And and Trayvon Diggs was a was a turnover machine 607 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: in some respects for the Dallas Cowboys, and and losing that, 608 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: you just you just don't you just don't replace that, 609 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: and uh, and you know, and from the Cowboys perspective, 610 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, this is the team that knocked him out 611 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: of the playoffs, and you know, and all that kind 612 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: of stuff. So big game in the NFC, it should 613 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: be a fun one, uh, to keep an eye on 614 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: Sunday night. But with that we will call it a 615 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: rap on this edition A Packers Unscripted. Be sure to 616 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: follow all of our coverage of the team and all 617 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: of our coverage of Monday Nights big game from Las Vegas. 618 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: Packers and Raiders will have it all for you on 619 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: Packers dot com. For Wes, I am Mike. Thank you 620 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: for tuning in. 621 00:28:58,760 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: Everybody. 622 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: We will see next time. 623 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: M HM.