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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: Claude Harmon this week Ben Jenta from the Tour Van

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Speaker 1: and listen. I think the guys that work on all

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Speaker 1: of the tours all over the world, PGA Tour Live,

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Speaker 1: LPGA DP Asia, Champs Tour, the guys that are looking

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Speaker 1: think this is a really good pod not only talking

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Speaker 1: about equipment at the highest level, but also talking about

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Speaker 1: equipment for you and what to look for with your equipment.

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Speaker 1: So it's a deep dive into equipment for you golf

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Speaker 1: we're here in the Live Tour truck the end of

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Speaker 1: the Live season, and before we get into kind of

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Speaker 1: what that world is like, there's one tour van on

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Speaker 1: Live that kind of encompasses all of the manufacturers. They

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Speaker 1: call them OEMs, but all of the big manufacturers now

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Speaker 1: are a part of Live. That wasn't the case in

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Speaker 1: the beginning. This used to be actually the old Callaway truck.

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Speaker 1: But just to give the listeners an idea, so we've

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Speaker 1: got one truck on live for how many players.

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Speaker 2: I would say any given week we probably have fifty

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Speaker 1: Fifty eight to sixty PJ Tour any given week, it's

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Speaker 2: Be probably one, well in between one twenty and probably

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Speaker 1: When we get to the FedEx cop it's thirty. Stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. But a normal week in and week out,

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Speaker 1: you've got about one hundred and fifty PJ Tour players.

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Speaker 1: And how many trucks on an average week are.

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Speaker 2: On the PG Tour Probably a dozen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't so every manufacturer, tailor, made titleist.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Cobra, you've got component company.

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Speaker 1: Component companies, the shaft company, stuff like that. So the

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Speaker 1: idea to try and put one truck together for one

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Speaker 1: I can remember in the beginning, the first time we

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Speaker 1: really kind of saw you guys doing stuff was in Portland,

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Speaker 1: the second live event. But so, how did you guys

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Speaker 1: get involved in this product?

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Speaker 2: So ironically the very first event was at Pumpkin Ridge, right,

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Speaker 2: and that our second event was first domestic event, right,

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Speaker 2: I I came from Nike, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you were, you were the Nike Tour. So Nike

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Speaker 2: Well, so equipment came out and probably two thousand and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can still remember being at Hartford and with Brooks.

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Speaker 1: Brooks was full head to toe Nike had all the

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Speaker 1: remember when we were like, oh gosh, you know, we've

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Speaker 2: So I, you know, having my Nike history in the background,

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Speaker 3: I had a coworker that did.

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Speaker 1: vans are like the pits for Formula one, right, That's

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Speaker 2: they realized not only did I have experience working with

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Speaker 2: Nobody know, none of the manufacturers wanted to touch it.

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Speaker 2: They didn't really know how to support the players. They

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that, you know, in the beginning, I

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Speaker 1: You know, Ben has a real personal relationship with Ricky Fowler.

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Speaker 1: that relationship evolve over the years as the technology in fitting,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you hit it on the head.

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Speaker 2: It's about establishing a rapport with the athlete, and it

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Speaker 2: just it just flat out takes time. The first year

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, like once they're like

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Speaker 2: They're not worried about the piece of equipment anymore. They're

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Speaker 1: You have every shaft, you every you have all the heads,

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Speaker 2: maybe they had to play the putter. But you know,

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Speaker 2: fairway woods were always fair game. Hybrid's utility that those

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Speaker 2: they were strapped to whatever it was within the portfolio

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Speaker 2: of the manufacturer they were contracted with.

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Speaker 1: you're most likely going to be playing fourteen clubs in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we blueprint that we've been bluing.

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Speaker 1: I think the average golfer is obsessed with as they

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Speaker 1: And then the other thing ben is from the instruction

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it depends on the player, right, it's

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Speaker 1: tour event and player hits an eight iron hits it,

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00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen twenty feet past the flag, I design

435
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: spins it back. The average golfer would just they love

436
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 1: that shot, they love seeing it, But the fact of

437
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 1: the matter is they just don't drive the car fast enough.

438
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 1: They don't have enough speed. So hitting down on the

439
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,480
Speaker 1: golf ball with your irons as a rule of thumb,

440
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: for the average golfer is going to help them get

441
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: that higher launch and that higher.

442
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: Spin, better spin. Yeah, and I think that's where the

443
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:51,400
Speaker 2: club fitting element for the average player is really really important.

444
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: Make sure you get the right head that's going to

445
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: get you into the right launch window. You get the

446
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: right shaft that's going to help kick it. Even if

447
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: your club delivery isn't where it needs to be or

448
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: it's not consistent enough, if you can get the right

449
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: shaft to kind of release through impact, it's really not

450
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: that much different than we're trying to do out here

451
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: with the high level players. We're still trying to get

452
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: the shaft to release through impact, which keeps the head

453
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: more square and allows you to deliver the club head

454
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 2: to the golf ball with the proper amount of loft

455
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: to get the ball fly.

456
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: In What percentage of recreational handicap non elite golfers. Would

457
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: you say, have never been club fitting?

458
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: I think now a lot of people have had some

459
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 2: level of fitting, you know, the detail of fitting that

460
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: we do out here. Not many, right, I mean, I

461
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 2: think there's some outfits out there now that specialize.

462
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: In Yeah, and then TJ too, are Superstares, Golf Galaxy,

463
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: all of these big box kind of retailers. Now you

464
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: can go in there golf tech and stuff and get fit.

465
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: So for everyone listening that, let's say you haven't. You've

466
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: got a set of golf clubs that maybe you were

467
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: given or you just kind of got as a Christmas gift,

468
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: they're not really fit for you, and you're a fifteen handicapper.

469
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: What is a good cheat code for a fifteen handicapper

470
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: to go in and be able to say to a

471
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 1: club fitter, Listen, I'm looking to invest some money in

472
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: my game. Golf is important to me as a player

473
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: and as a person, and I want to get club fitted.

474
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people listening that's kind of

475
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 1: scary because they don't know what.

476
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't know what they don't they don't know what.

477
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,399
Speaker 1: They don't know, and you know there's going to be

478
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: a lot of maybe terms. So what are some questions

479
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: that the average regular golfer can ask when they're going

480
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 1: to go in and get fitted for golf clubs for

481
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: the first time, or they're looking to go, Okay, my

482
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,239
Speaker 1: game is improving now, right, I was at twenty and

483
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 1: now I've worked for the last couple of years. I've

484
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: been taking lessons, and there will be a point where

485
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: the instructor says, listen, I think there's some gains. I

486
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: say this all the time. Listen, you're your golf swing's improving,

487
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: you're getting better, You're hitting the golf ball further. I

488
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: think we need to look at maybe adjusting what we're

489
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: doing shaft wise, what we're doing loft and head wise.

490
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: So when a player goes in and says, listen, I'm

491
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,679
Speaker 1: looking to make some upgrades and Mike, what are some

492
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: questions that they should be asking the fitter.

493
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the novice player is going to want to

494
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 2: make sure that you've got at least the right length

495
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: of the shaft, right, the right flex. You know, loft

496
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 2: and lie is always going to be important, just to

497
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 2: give you the best opportunity to deliver ahead square and

498
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 2: then generally like at least a head that's trending to help.

499
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: You get the ball flying.

500
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: The other part is for especially for the more novice player,

501
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: is making sure they have the right assortment of clubs.

502
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the set makeup. Give me what you think

503
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: for let's say a kind of ten to twenty handicap. Yeah,

504
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 1: what should they be looking at from a bag set up?

505
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: Let's start with the wedges. So average guys on the

506
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: PG eight, on the pur Live or any of the

507
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: big tours, Yeah, LPG most players now are kind of

508
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: in that three to four wedge category. Do you think

509
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: that's something that kind of the ten to twenty handicappers

510
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: should be looking at?

511
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: I so, I actually do, partly because of the way

512
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: the irons are engineered. So if you kind of look

513
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 2: from the middle of the bag out, a lot of

514
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: these irons have stronger lofts, right, So you're looking at

515
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 2: sometimes twenty eight to thirty degrees loft seven irons.

516
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,160
Speaker 1: So it's a an old school standard would have.

517
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: Been probably thirty four to thirty five.

518
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 3: Right.

519
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 2: Most of the guys out here with Live or somewhere between,

520
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,200
Speaker 2: most of them are probably right around thirty four to three.

521
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: And I think the tour guys on the PG it

522
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: would be around the same.

523
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: So the waterfall effective when you have an iron that's

524
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 2: strung like that is it gets down to the wedge.

525
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: The pitching wedge, which would be kind of your first wedge,

526
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 2: can sometimes be forty two forty one, like they're really

527
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 2: really strong, and.

528
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: It used to be right around forty eight forty nine.

529
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so you just buy the evolution of tech

530
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: anology is going to suggest that you probably need to

531
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 2: have a gap wedge that's somewhere between forty eight and

532
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: fifty degrees, depending on what the loft of your pitching wedges,

533
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: and then you're gonna want fifty.

534
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: Fours in fifty eights.

535
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: I think in the retail space for more novice are

536
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: much more playable than the old school fifty six and six.

537
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: I think having a fifty four versus a fifty six

538
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: is the difference in the loft is going to if

539
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: you miss it, you have the opportunity hit it a

540
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 1: lot further. But then I agree with you. I think

541
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 1: a lot of players I see, you know, in that

542
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: kind of ten to twenty handicap range, they've got a

543
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 1: sixty degree wedge in their bag. They're trying to hit

544
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 1: it really really hard. It balloons, it spins way up,

545
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: and it doesn't go anywhere. So that kind of good

546
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: kind of four degree loft increment. So I think a

547
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: good rule if you're going to go fifty six sixty

548
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: fifty four fifty eight. I do see sometimes you get

549
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 1: these kind of big, kind of barren valleys where the

550
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: loss are just way off. They've got these dead zones

551
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 1: in their wedge set up, they've got a sixty, and

552
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: then they're kind of all over the board, So making

553
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: sure those losts fifty four fifty eight. And then you know,

554
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: from an iron standpoint, you know, a ten to twenty

555
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: handicapper that doesn't have a tremendous amount of speed, what

556
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: would you think would be kind of the threshold of

557
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: their last real iron before we get into kind of

558
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: the hybrid.

559
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably somewhere. It's five four iron somewhere in there.

560
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you might start progressing at a five iron.

561
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 2: I would say four iron is a good breaking point

562
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: where you're going to either have a utility iron or

563
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: a hybrid or a lofted wood.

564
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: It's hard for the average goal for to get a

565
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: four iron.

566
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 3: Into the air and it's speed driven.

567
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 2: It's speed they confidence because you look at it and

568
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: it's a straight, straight, or faced blade. The lofts are

569
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: stronger on it, so it might be twenty one degrees, but.

570
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: It still looks when you look down at it like

571
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: it's not going to get in the air. Yes, you're

572
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: going to want to hang back because one from a

573
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: swing standpoint, you're not getting the golf ball in the air. Optically,

574
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: you feel like, okay to get it in the air

575
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: and need to swing up on it. But I've talked

576
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: about this on the pod before. The easiest way to

577
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: make your iron game better is to try and hit

578
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: more down on your irons. But most golfers are coming

579
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: over the top of it and hitting down on it

580
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: with the irons, and that got so I think the

581
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: hybrid world and the utility iron for the majority. If

582
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: you're in the ten to twenty handicap range and you've

583
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: got a four iron in your bag and a three

584
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: iron in your bag, that's just that's crazy. Yeah, you're

585
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: just never going to use those. So you've got two

586
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: clubs in your bag that one don't perform and as

587
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: a result of them not performing, you basically stay away

588
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: from them. So you've got two dead clubs in your

589
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: bag that never get used.

590
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or if you get stuck in that one hundred

591
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: and eighty to two hundred yard position which you're going

592
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: to live in, you don't have a tool, So throw

593
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: a tool there that's useful. Hybrid by nine wood. Those

594
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: are going to be much easier to get the ball

595
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: in the air and hit straighter.

596
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: Let's talk about driver fitting because I think everybody listening

597
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: wants to hit the golf ball further at the tour level.

598
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: You mentioned it, I've mentioned it before, but the holy

599
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: grail of driver fitting is high launch, low spin. Yeah right,

600
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people know that. Can you

601
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: golf for dummies dumb that down for everyone listening and

602
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: say what is that? What does that mean? And why

603
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: is that the holy grail?

604
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? So think about well, first of all.

605
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: The driver. The difference between the driver and the iron

606
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: is the iron is on the ground, So you've got

607
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: to get the golf ball that's on the ground in

608
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: the air. The driver is already in the air.

609
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 3: It's on a t Yeah it is.

610
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: And I think you know, an athlete's club. Delivery is

611
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: going to dictate how much lofted impact they're gonna you know, deliver.

612
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: So some players may hit up on it more and

613
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: they are looking at a very low lofted part to

614
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: get at the end of the day, we want to

615
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: launch it somewhere between eleven and thirteen degrees and probably

616
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: for a high level player, for a high speedy speed player,

617
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: somewhere between twenty one and twenty four hundred.

618
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: DJ likes to hang. Given his delivery, he likes to

619
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: hang between eighteen hundred and twenty two hundred. Anything in

620
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: that range is really really good for him because he

621
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: has speed because of the way that he delivers, whereas

622
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: someone else that is an elite player that plays professional golf,

623
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: like a guy that doesn't have the kind of speed

624
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: that the DJ has that delivers it very different. Let's

625
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: say a guy like Honor Bond Lahiri. Bond wants it

626
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: to spin kind of where Yeah.

627
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: He's looking at the low two thousands.

628
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And.

629
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: Part of it is the ability to work the golf

630
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: ball at that The spin rates right, So if you

631
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: hit a draw, it's going to come down a little bit.

632
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: You hit a fade, it's going to come up a

633
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: little bit. Generally speaking, DJ hits a flat fade. It's

634
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: pretty unique. So his fad probably spins about twenty two right.

635
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: When he's playing his best, he's right around two thousand. Yeah, Brooks,

636
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: who has a similar shape. They both hit fades, but

637
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: Brooks hits a little bit more down on it left

638
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: then then and down and left on it then DJ.

639
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: DJ's kind of angle of attack, you know, is kind

640
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: of around that kind of point five to zero. Whereas

641
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: when Brooks was playing his best of the years that

642
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: I worked with him, you know, with the driver he

643
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: was when he was winning Major, he was one and

644
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: a half degree down on it. But the spin rate

645
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: for the regular golfer, they're tending to spin the golf

646
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: ball too much.

647
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that with the driver, with the Yeah,

648
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: because of club deliveries, you start to swing it farther

649
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: left with an open face, you're you might as well

650
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: be playing pick about him and hitting down on it

651
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: and hitting Yeah, those are all spin creating. Now that

652
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 2: the product is all engineered to help keep the head

653
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: more stable through impact, If you can keep the face

654
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: more square relative to the path that it's being delivered on,

655
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: it'll spin less, and it will you know, your start

656
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: line will be a little bit tighter even if it's

657
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: a little bit left because your path has left. If

658
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: the head is relatively square to that, it will hold

659
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: that line a little bit better. It still may fade back,

660
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: but it's not going to be a huge slice. So

661
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: the fitting aspect of that is making sure that you

662
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: you're able to control the face impact relative to your path.

663
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 2: This is definitely getting into your Yeah.

664
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: I mean one of the things that I think everybody

665
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: looks at the first time they get on a launch monitor.

666
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: They're gonna they're gonna look at their club at speed

667
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: and they're going to say, Okay, how can I get

668
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: my clubhet speed faster. I've talked about this on on

669
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: the pod before. I was out at Titleist years ago

670
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: when they were kind of one of the first ones

671
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: to kind of have their own kind of proprietary launch

672
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: monitor technologies, is pre track man days. Sof and I

673
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: was there. They were looking at club at speed numbers

674
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: with a driver and a player said, Okay, how do

675
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: I get more clubhead speed number? How do I get

676
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: how do I increase my club umber? And I never

677
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: will forget this. The player said, why don't you just

678
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: try and work on having that clubhead speed be consistent

679
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: every time you hit it. The immediate thing is how

680
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: do I get more clubhead speed? What we're all trying

681
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: to do at this level is how do we make

682
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: what the player does consistent? And he does it all

683
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: of the time. When you get too much spin with

684
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: the driver the golf ball, that's when the average golfer

685
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: sees that ball kind of go up and lift and

686
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: then keep lifting and ballooning. For the tour player, the

687
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: ball gets out to an apex and doesn't rise and

688
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: stays there. It looks like it just gets to kind

689
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: of thirty six thousand feet and they turn the seat

690
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: belt sign off and then the ball just flies. So

691
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: when an average golfer because and the other thing loft, ben,

692
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 1: I see so many players playing with not enough loft.

693
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 1: They have low lofted drivers. DJ kind of his loft

694
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: is kind of around.

695
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is like an if you look at the

696
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: nominal piece of it, like what it actually is, it's

697
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: probably around eleven eleven.

698
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

699
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: Take that into yesterday. Five minutes before Bryson was going out,

700
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: he had his guy Connor with the backpack and he was.

701
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 1: It was colder yesterday than it was the first round.

702
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: First round it was warmer, so he was messing around

703
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: with driver heads based off of the temperature and the

704
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: ball and he was torn around. So DJ's hitting balls

705
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: next to him. He's got an eleven degree driver. Bryson

706
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: put a five degree driver, and I mean that is

707
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: a staggering distance. That is a completely different animal based

708
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,959
Speaker 1: off of the way that they deliver the golf club.

709
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and yeah, Bryson sits in that five and

710
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: a half six degree window most of the time.

711
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: Again, that ten to twenty handicap range. What is in

712
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: your opinion the no go threshold of two little loft

713
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't want to go less. You need to

714
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: have more loft than this number, and you wouldn't want

715
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: to go lower than this number.

716
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: I don't think you really want to be below nine.

717
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: I mean, even like guys who have some speed, some

718
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 2: amateurs that have the speed and deliver fairly neutral. You know,

719
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: it's harder to hit it straight with less loft, right,

720
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: So the if you have more loft while you hit

721
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: a sandwich straight or because it has more loft, right,

722
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: So it works the same with the with the driver.

723
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 3: You just have to be really good.

724
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: At controlling the spin because the spin is is going

725
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: to get the rise, but it's also going to create

726
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: the curving. And so it's it's all about again, it's

727
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 2: the right it's the right launch, it's the right spin.

728
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: What is the.

729
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: Player, and it's it's optimal for the player. You can

730
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: paint these wide pitchers of Yeah, somewhere between ten and

731
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: twelve degrees is where the actual loft on the golf

732
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: club needs to be. But it's going to vary based

733
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: on club delivery. You know, spin rates. If you look

734
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: if you just threw a dart and you're like, what's

735
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: optimal for the vast golf space.

736
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: It's launch it.

737
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: Let's launch it at eleven degrees and twenty five hundred

738
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 2: and you could apply that to almost any spin rate

739
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: or speed.

740
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 1: Range and any caliber of players.

741
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, okay, that's going to be in played.

742
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: So that would be a good cheat code if you

743
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: ever Yeah, if you ever get on a launch monitor

744
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: and you're looking at your numbers, optimal would be kind

745
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: of launching it really eleven and above and spinning.

746
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 3: It at mid two thousands.

747
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty five to twenty eight.

748
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: You're not going to get in too much trouble. You're

749
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 3: not going to leave a ton on the on the table, and.

750
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 2: You're not going to you know, come up really really

751
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: short if you're spinning at twenty eight hundred and you

752
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: miss it like it's totally fine.

753
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: One of the things that I've seen ben when when

754
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: players get fitted for drivers and they get a driver

755
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: across the board, whether it's to door player or non

756
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: tour player, when they do get a driver that is

757
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: fitted for their game, and what they do the center

758
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: contact with the driver, they start to hit it less

759
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: off the heel and less off the tow. They're hitting

760
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: it more in the center of the face. And through

761
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 1: the launch monitor technology, now I look probably more at

762
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: ball speed numbers with the driver than I do with

763
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: clubby speed numbers, because if you're catching it more in

764
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: the center of the face, the speed at which the

765
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 1: ball is coming off the face, that ball speed number

766
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: will jump. And if the ball speed number jumps, the

767
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: amount of side spin and curve diminishes. So I think

768
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: everybody that is slicing the golf ball, you get on

769
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: a launch monitor, and we do see sometimes that six

770
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: seven eight degree left path, the face is hanging wide open,

771
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: and it's hard for them to then control the spin.

772
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: Everybody thinks, Okay, I want to get my path to

773
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: the right. That's incredibly hard for a lot of players

774
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: to do is to get that path way to the right.

775
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: So I always look at the path number and think, okay,

776
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: if there's six seven degrees left with the path, if

777
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: we can just get that in half, dial that back

778
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: to maybe three, they're still going to be left, but

779
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: they're going to catch it more in the center of

780
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: the face. They're going to catch it more in the

781
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: middle of the golf club. Then it's going to curve less.

782
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, from all the experience I

783
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: have working with high level players and the consumer. Yeah,

784
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 2: if you can narrow down the left right, usually the

785
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: face doesn't get hung as far open. So it's it's

786
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: a win win. You don't all of a sudden go

787
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: from swinging at seven left to three left, but the

788
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: face stays the same amount open.

789
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: Well, I think I'm always trying to have players, when

790
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: they look at their path numbers right, how much that

791
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: can affect the ball speed. So you've got that path

792
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: with the driver kind of in that six seven, eight

793
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: degrees left. You're hitting down on it, You're going to

794
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: struggle to control the face. You're going to get a

795
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: lot of heel strikes, a lot of toes strikes. You're

796
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: not going to hit it in the center of the face.

797
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: So the more you're missing the center of the face,

798
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: more goes, you know, kind of all over the place.

799
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: And I think when a player gets a driver that's

800
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: fitted for what they do, regardless of their handicap level,

801
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: they're going to hit it more in the center of

802
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: the face. And I've seen the ball speed numbers jump,

803
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: so not necessarily they hit it further because they're catching

804
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: it more in the center of the face. It's curving less.

805
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: But when that ball speed number jumps, the club head

806
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: speed number sometimes goes down maybe a mile a mile

807
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: and a half, but they hit it ten to fifteen

808
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: yards further because they're catching it more in the center

809
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: of the face. That relationship between getting a set of

810
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: golf clubs as you're changing your golf swing, that's a

811
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: thing that I always get asked by the average golfer

812
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: as well, Hey, I want to get a new set

813
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: of golf clubs. I feel like my golf seeing how

814
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: can I somewhat future proof my bag because it's expensive

815
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: to buy golf. You know, we're so spoiled out here

816
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: on tour where somebody wants, you know, Bryson wants, you know,

817
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: three drivers. You can make them three drivers. He wants

818
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: to try three three woods. You can make them the

819
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: average golf for it. They just don't have the money

820
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: to be able to do that. How can you future

821
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: proof a set of golf clubs if you're looking to

822
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: get a new one?

823
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you look at the big picture

824
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 2: of using what you have or adding on to it,

825
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 2: like using the technologies out there, using TrackMan, using foresight

826
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: to see like look at the data see see you

827
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: know you talk about boss speed, Right, that's an efficiency number.

828
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: That's how solid you're striking it. And if one is

829
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 2: club delivery is an element of it, right, But how

830
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 2: the shaft you know, reacts and releases with the way

831
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: you deliver the clubhead. So how's the part moving through

832
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 2: impact to give you that efficiency? So if you can

833
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: use the technology out there to make sure that it

834
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: always comes back down the launching its ano the right window.

835
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: But the efficiency of the strike is how you can sit.

836
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: There and build your own golf bag to maximize what

837
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: your potential is going to be.

838
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: How different in twenty twenty five is the equipment that

839
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: the regular golfer, non tour access player. How different Let's

840
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: say a driver, So you're going to get a new

841
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: driver from whatever manufacturer. You go to one of the

842
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: big box stores and you're going to buy this driver. Right,

843
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 1: I've just used the company that you know that I'm

844
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: a field cover. You're going to go get a Cobra driver.

845
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: You're going to get go get fit for it. How

846
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 1: different is that driver versus the driver that Ricky Fowler

847
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: is Billy? Because to me, I look at you can

848
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: you can as just a regular human being if you

849
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: can afford it, you can go buy a Ferrari, which

850
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: is a Lamborghini, which are some of the fastest most

851
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: car that you buy. And then there's a Formula one

852
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: race car. So how different is the equipment in twenty

853
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: twenty five? And then kind of do a deep dive

854
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: into I think it's probably more so with drivers than

855
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: any what you're doing on the inside of a driver

856
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people don't even have

857
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: a concept that that is a part.

858
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the heart and soul of let's use

859
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: the driver for example, Right, is you know, a tour

860
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: part versus a consumer part of what you would get

861
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: at any of the golf shops. It's the same. The

862
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: difference is the ability to tune it for the player. Right,

863
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 2: And so I think you know stuff out on tour.

864
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:36,479
Speaker 3: We have the.

865
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 2: Tools and the resources to decide, you know, does one

866
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 2: head have a quarter degree more loft or a half

867
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: a degree more face angle than an X Right, if

868
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 2: you walk into a golf shop, you look at five

869
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: drivers that are all built exactly the same all.

870
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: So you pick up a ten point five degree head,

871
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: it's going to be the heads, all five of them

872
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: are going to be ten point five. They're all going

873
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: to tend to be forty five in long. So there

874
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: is this saaneness to that.

875
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: There's the sameness to them.

876
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: But if you really dive a little bit deeper and

877
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 2: you start really getting technical with the heads, they all

878
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: sit fractionally different. They're all a little snowflakes. And so

879
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: we can go through our drawers and cherry pig heads

880
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: specifically for the player.

881
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: Some players want to see more loft with the driver.

882
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: Some people don't. Some people want the driver to sit

883
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more open, some people like to have

884
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: it to a little bit more close. So how do

885
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: you adjust a driver because, like you said, the average

886
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: golfer is just going to go pick a driver. They

887
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: don't really know what they like. So how do you

888
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: then adjust the driver head to look like it has

889
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: more loft, to look like it doesn't have more loft,

890
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: to look like it has more face doesn't, And then

891
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: what you're doing on the inside of the driver with

892
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: the hot melt stuff, because I just find that fascinating.

893
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So when we talk about fine tune and

894
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: the driver for the player, like I'm always going to

895
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 2: start by just cherry picking a head that's going to

896
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: be closest to the loft and face angle that we want,

897
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: and then we can tune them with the adapters. You know,

898
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 2: every manufacturer has an adjustable adapter, so sometimes we'll use

899
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: that as a tool. But when we talk about like

900
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 2: the guts of the driver and manipulating, maybe we want

901
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: to kill an extra two hundred RPMs of spin, Maybe

902
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 2: want to make it slightly more draw biased or fade bias.

903
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: We use a.

904
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: Material it's out here in the dustry. It's called hot

905
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 2: melt or rat glue, and we can inject that Basically,

906
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: it's a hot glue, sticky glue into the head to

907
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: really tune you know, it can tune the acoustics, it

908
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 2: can tune the launch and spin characteristics. It can change

909
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 2: the feel of the head itself.

910
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: And the hot mild is basically weight.

911
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, it adds weight. Yeah, there's a weight element to it.

912
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 2: But it's a kind of a sticky glue that we

913
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: use a hot gun and then you inject it where

914
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: straight into the head.

915
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: So for a driver head, it's normally that port where

916
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: you can eject it is kind of down where.

917
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, so sometimes you can go into the hozzle. Usually

918
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: there's like a small little hole around the hozzle cavity.

919
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: Some of the drivers you can go right through the

920
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: weight ports. You know, a CALWOI driver's got several weight

921
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: ports and you can go right through those parts. And

922
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 2: so if we want to make a driver low spin,

923
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: for example, we're going to move that weight more forward

924
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 2: into the head, so it will kind of move the

925
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: CG just slightly more forward. When you do that, you

926
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 2: can put it closer to the face. You could put

927
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 2: it up on the crown, but it moves the center

928
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: gravity just enough to create a slightly different spin characteristic.

929
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: So if we need to knock off one hundred and

930
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: fifty two hundred RPMs of spin, we can do that

931
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: with the glue if we can get enough in there.

932
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 2: You know, throwing a gram or two doesn't really do anything.

933
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 2: If we throw four or five grams in there, then

934
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: it starts to manipulate.

935
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: And I've watched you when you guys shoot the gun

936
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: into the head. You'll take the head and then you'll

937
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 1: tilt the head to where wherever you want that glue

938
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: to go. And then the glue goes there, it hardens

939
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: and it settles and it stays there, and it adds

940
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: that different component I'm always fascinated by. And the one

941
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: thing that you guys will always say is hey, for

942
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: us as the coach, you'll always ask if a player

943
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: is working on driver, hey, what does he want the

944
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: driver to do? Meaning what shape does he want to do?

945
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: And where does he what? Where does he not want

946
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: the miss to go? Okay? So like for dj D

947
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: doesn't want the golf ball, for fade guys, they don't

948
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: want the golf ball going left for the draw guys,

949
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: they don't like the golf ball is going right. So

950
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: that kind of moving around the glue, that is to

951
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: me like when they bring the cars into the garage

952
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: and they just do a little tweak in the setup, right,

953
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: they change kind of you know, the angle or kind

954
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: of the way the car is going based off of

955
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: the track. Sound Wise, how important do you think sound

956
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: is to club fitting?

957
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: To club fitting, it's not really that important because it

958
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: that's just a result of the ball hitting the space.

959
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: It's acoustics.

960
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: But generally speaking, you know, most of these guys want

961
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 2: to hear kind of a Duller Thudier sound. That's just

962
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 2: what they grew up playing with. And normally like the

963
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: high pitch sound. And you know, there's been some ping

964
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: drivers from time to time that get really high pitched,

965
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: and you know, I don't think the player hears that

966
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 2: as much as the people around them, to be honest.

967
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: So then they say, man, that driver's loud, and then

968
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: the player starts thinking, then a loud driver.

969
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

970
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 2: So the sound doesn't change really performance, it's just a

971
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 2: result of the engineering. But that hot glue can dull

972
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 2: out that sound and make it a little bit better.

973
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: You know, I think the other really, when you talk

974
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: about these little fine tuning elements of the equipment, light

975
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: angle is a really big piece. So a li angle

976
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: is going to dictate your start line. So when you

977
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 2: talk about a driver, you know, if a player, if

978
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 2: DJ is missing it a little bit left and it's

979
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: is it The question is is it is it a

980
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: start line miss left or is it you know, is

981
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 2: the head starting left and going left right. So there's

982
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: there's a difference there and how we would tune the equipment.

983
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 2: You know, if the start line is a little left,

984
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 2: we may want to take a club and go a

985
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: little bit flatter with it to move the start line

986
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: a little bit farther.

987
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 3: Right.

988
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: Shaft technology with the driver, I think heads are hugely important,

989
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: getting the right loft, getting the right lot, you know,

990
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: that whole set up. But I think for the average golfer,

991
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 1: there just there's I mean, there's only a certain amount

992
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: of driver heads on the market right from every manufacturer.

993
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,920
Speaker 1: So you know, every manufacturer will make a certain amount

994
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: of driver heads, so they'll have a high spin and

995
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: low spin and stuff. They might be what do you

996
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 1: think three or four heads in the product line across

997
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: the board. There are a million different shafts you can try, right,

998
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: Why is scheft technology so important and what are in

999
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: your opinion, working with the everyday golfer, what are the

1000
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: issues that they struggle with from a shaft wise and

1001
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: from the tour level, what do they struggle with?

1002
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the timing device. It's what goes from the

1003
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 2: human body, from your hands to.

1004
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 3: The club head.

1005
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: It's that shaft, especially in a driver, it's the longest shaft.

1006
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: In the timing device. I've never heard anyone describe a

1007
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: shaft as a timing device.

1008
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: So you have to get that shaft to release through

1009
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 2: the impact zone. So the shaft, you know, of course

1010
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: it can control launch and spin, but it impacts direction.

1011
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 2: So again kind of back to the start line, all

1012
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: these little tweaks like if I give you, if I

1013
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: give a player a shaft that releases a little bit later,

1014
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: it's going to push the start line right right.

1015
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 3: If it releases earlier, it's.

1016
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: Probably going to move it left. So again, it's matching up.

1017
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 2: It's working with the player, it's the coach. It's what

1018
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: are the what is the objective and how do we

1019
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 2: optimize that right? It's no different with the everyday consumer.

1020
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 2: It's exactly the same. It's figure out the timing device.

1021
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 2: How do we put a piece of equipment into a

1022
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 2: player's hand where the shaft releases through the impact zone,

1023
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 2: delivering the head as square as possible to get it

1024
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,479
Speaker 2: to fly in the air.

1025
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: Any generalizations you see at the recreational, non elite player

1026
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: shaft wise with the driver, that you see a generalization

1027
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: on the bad side.

1028
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 2: I would say, well, generalization, I think you're a player

1029
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: is going to benefit from a shaft that plays a

1030
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: little bit stiffer than it is too soft, because I

1031
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: think it's going to give you more stability through impact. Now,

1032
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 2: when you start to fine tune it, you don't If

1033
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: you're only swinging a driver at ninety five miles an hour,

1034
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 2: you don't want to be swinging an extra stiff, right.

1035
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: I'm talking about like small hedges. If you are a

1036
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: quick tempoed golfer and you swing it at one hundred

1037
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 2: and two with a driver, and really the threshold for

1038
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: an extra stiff is one hundred and seven to one

1039
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: hundred and eight, but you have a fast tempo and

1040
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: you're kind of quick and jerking, you put a harder

1041
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 2: load on it, stiffer, more stable, is going to give

1042
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: you a better chance of delivering that head to the

1043
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 2: ball more squarely.

1044
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: Right.

1045
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 2: If you're somebody who has lower speed, yeah, you're going

1046
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: to want a shaft that's going to be a little

1047
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 2: bit more active to help maybe get you a little

1048
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: bit more kick at the bottom.

1049
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: I think everybody is kind of that auto flex that

1050
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: came out that Korean you know, one shaft you had

1051
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: to with the pink that you said to mortgage your

1052
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: house to be able to afford. I think everybody, you know, imitation,

1053
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: everybody imitates everything. Every manufacturer now has kind of like

1054
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: a really good game improvement driver shaft for the older

1055
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: golfer that's going to give them a lot of kick,

1056
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: that's going to give them a little bit more speed

1057
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: at the bottom, and things like that. But from a

1058
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: shaft standpoint length wise, for just the everyday golfer at

1059
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: the tour level, what do you feel like most people's

1060
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: driver lengths are.

1061
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 2: Somewhere between forty four and three quarters and forty five

1062
00:52:59,280 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 2: forty five.

1063
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: Anybody over other than Bryson going longer.

1064
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: There's a few, not many, very small percentage of guys

1065
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 2: really kind of going over that threshold.

1066
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: Because I do see some and some recreational fifteen twenty

1067
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: handicaps are trying to hit the golf ball further that

1068
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 1: come in with a forty six inch driver, and I'm like, dude,

1069
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 1: what are you doing?

1070
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 2: You can you can hit it further every once in

1071
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 2: a while, but I yeah, it's rule with thumb. I'm

1072
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 2: always all of our clients, we're we're pushing to shorter.

1073
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: We're gonna go more tour standard because it's easier to

1074
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: find the middle of the face.

1075
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: The longer the golf club, Yeah, the length of the shaft,

1076
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: the harder. It's Yeah, the car might be fast, but

1077
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 1: if you can't get the car around the track with Actually,

1078
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: to me, that is what I'm always thinking about, is

1079
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 1: from a speed standpoint. Yes, speed is important, but speed

1080
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: doesn't do you any good if you can't get the

1081
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: car around the track without crashing.

1082
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 2: If you can be efficient with what you have, you're

1083
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: gonna win. And you know this is true probably any

1084
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 2: golf course in the world. Right, if you hit it

1085
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 2: in the fairway, it's the ball's going to go farther.

1086
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 2: The fairways are faster than the rough so hit it solid,

1087
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 2: be efficient with what you have, put it in play

1088
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: and find it.

1089
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: Do you think it's important for a fifteen handicapper to

1090
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: maybe once a year get on a launch monitor and

1091
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: get some baseline numbers so that when they are playing

1092
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: good or they're not playing good, they can look at

1093
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,439
Speaker 1: those numbers. But also from a club fitting standpoint. Hey,

1094
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 1: you know, i was a fifteen at the beginning of

1095
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: this year. I'm now down to you know, I've been

1096
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: working hard, I've been playing a lot. I'm now down

1097
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: to a twelve. Let me go ahead and look at

1098
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: what my numbers are with my driver. Am I hitting

1099
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: the golf ball? You know, as my club at speed increased,

1100
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: as my spin? What is it doing now versus what

1101
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: it was doing six months ago to a year.

1102
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to be smart, I think you

1103
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: want to create a baseline. When you're swinging it pretty

1104
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: good and you're hitting it pretty solid, see what your

1105
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: path face to path, club head speed, you know, your

1106
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 2: efficiency numbers look like. And then yeah, check it every

1107
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 2: six to eight months and see like, if you're trying

1108
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 2: to get better and you're working with a coach and

1109
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 2: you're in the gym right and you have a let's

1110
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: use a driver club head speed as a baseline at

1111
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: one hundred miles an hour, and you're physically trying to

1112
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 2: get better through better body movement and just physically more fitness.

1113
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: And now you're moving that driver at one hundred and

1114
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: five hundred and six miles an hour. That's going to

1115
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: impact launch and spin and maybe the equipment that you need.

1116
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 2: But you have a metric, you've got a baseline from

1117
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 2: where you were maybe six to eight months ago of improvement,

1118
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 2: and if you start to go through these different thresholds

1119
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: with speed, that's going to start to impact you know,

1120
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 2: maybe what kind of equipment you would need. But it

1121
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 2: also you can go the other way, right, if you

1122
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 2: look at and you're not hitting it very good, but

1123
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 2: you have a baseline of when you were hitting good.

1124
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 2: And let's say you're down two degrees left, you know,

1125
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 2: a degree and a half, and the face is relatively square,

1126
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: and that's when you're hitting it pretty good. But all

1127
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you're swinging it more left and more

1128
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 2: down and you're hitting it not very good. At least

1129
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: you can sit there and go, Okay, it's not the equipment.

1130
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: The equipment didn't really change my golf swings changed, so

1131
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: you can put the time and energy into adjusting your

1132
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: golf swing and trying to get back on track to

1133
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 2: where you were swinging it good. I think that's where

1134
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 2: the technology is really helpful is you can create baselines

1135
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 2: so you can you don't even have to own the technology, right,

1136
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: you can go to a lot of these shops or

1137
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 2: find a coach that has it. Capture that data, put it,

1138
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:27,479
Speaker 2: you know.

1139
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 1: Put it in your phone, put it in your notes,

1140
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: and so you've got it.

1141
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 3: And you've got a reference point.

1142
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: Start to finish. If a player, let's say Bryson wants

1143
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: you to come in here and says, listen, want you

1144
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: to build me a new driver. Okay, start to finish

1145
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: if you don't have any distractions. How long is that process?

1146
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: Take and talk me through the new build process of

1147
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: building a new driver. But start to finish.

1148
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: How so I would say, start to finish, start from

1149
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: the player walks into where they can walk out and

1150
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: hit it. Temperature dependent because of the glue keyring is

1151
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 2: a little bit of a variable. But if it's warm, forty.

1152
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: Five minutes, forty.

1153
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 2: Five minutes, so we're going to take a few minutes

1154
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 2: and we're gonna cherry pick the heads. We probably already

1155
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: know what the shaft is. We already have the data,

1156
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: so we know how much we have to tip it.

1157
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: That you know what is tipping, So it's raw. Shafts

1158
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 2: generally are about forty six inches, right, So if you

1159
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: shorten just the tip section of that shaft, it makes

1160
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: the tip section of it a little bit stiffer.

1161
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: So the tip section the part that goes into the.

1162
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 2: Clott into the head. Yeah, so we're shortening it. So

1163
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: big picture, a little shaft one oh one. Shafts are

1164
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: broken up into like three different parts. There's the tip, mid,

1165
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 2: and butt. So the tip section is engineered in a

1166
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 2: certain way that you shorten that eight to ten inch window, right,

1167
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 2: it's going to make that part of the shaft a

1168
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: little bit stiffer without impacting the rest of it. So

1169
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: it generally gives you more stability in the bottom of

1170
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: the golf club, which helps help you hit a little

1171
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 2: bit straighter.

1172
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 3: So we'll we'll tip it.

1173
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: We'll prep the shaft so we'll scrape the paint off

1174
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 2: of it, make sure it's nice and clean, kind of

1175
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: stand it up to create a little bit of roughness.

1176
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: So when we use the epoxy, it kind of gets

1177
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: into the fibers.

1178
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 1: Of and helps it stick.

1179
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 2: And helps it stick better, and we'll rough up the

1180
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 2: inside of the adapter that we're also using. Right, So

1181
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: mix the glue, throw a little stand in there, make

1182
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 2: it nice, tape fit, slam it together and now it's

1183
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: just time.

1184
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 3: It's a little it's just waiting.

1185
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's like a it's like there's like a

1186
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: wall in this tour truck and if someone there's clubs

1187
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: and that one's that one's still drying. And then so

1188
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: the caddio will come back in because the player will

1189
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: be like, Yo, we're's this driver. They want me to

1190
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: try the caddy or meal come in. You'll go no, no,

1191
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: give it five more minutes, some more. We're waiting for

1192
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: it to drive. So then you then figure out grips.

1193
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: Everybody's grips are different. There are some players that just

1194
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: put the grip on and one wrap and then but

1195
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: DJ's very specific in so DJ's wrapping on his iron

1196
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: or on his clubs are.

1197
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 3: What Yeah, so he's got a build up in the

1198
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 3: right hand.

1199
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: So we'll take So a grip is roughly eleven inches

1200
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: or so We'll take half of a piece of a

1201
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 2: tape and we'll layer that into the right hand only right,

1202
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 2: so we'll kind of stagger the tape and then we'll

1203
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 2: go over it a few times with some other tape,

1204
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 2: so the right hand is slightly bigger than.

1205
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: Are there some guys that like left hand bigger?

1206
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 3: No, I have not really.

1207
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 2: There might be one or two guys that kind of reverse.

1208
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: But most guys, if they are going to have something different, yeah, they're.

1209
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 3: Gonna build it up right.

1210
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: Paul Casey's an example of that, where we have three

1211
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: extra pieces in the right hand and it's all staggered differently,

1212
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 2: and then another piece that goes right on the top

1213
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 2: of it. You know, a guy like Thomas Peters has

1214
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: got seven raps underneath a mid sized grip, so it's

1215
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 2: all personalized.

1216
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: But again, then that goes back to what we talked

1217
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: about at the beginning of the pod, was you build

1218
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: that relationship with the player where if the player knows

1219
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: that you can build them a golf club number one

1220
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: that's going to work, but also get the grip component

1221
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: right so it feels right as well, they then have

1222
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: the confidence for you to go, hey, no, no, you

1223
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 1: build this for me, you know what I like. And

1224
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,480
Speaker 1: they can put it down and it feels good in

1225
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: their hands, and it looks good, and it looks the

1226
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: way they want to.

1227
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 2: Get the grip wrong and the swingweight balance point wrong.

1228
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 2: They won't even hit it. Yeah, they just pick it

1229
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 2: up and they're like, this doesn't fit.

1230
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: They immediately know that it's just wrong.

1231
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we you know, we never let that. I

1232
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: can't at least try to. But yeah, like so once

1233
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 2: they poxy's dry, then we cut it to the proper

1234
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 2: length and we put the grip on and you know,

1235
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: you know, POxy takes twenty minutes, it takes another ten

1236
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 2: twelve to dry.

1237
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll come out and you'll put the club on

1238
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: the player's bag and the first thing the player asks

1239
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: is can I hit this now? And you'll say give

1240
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: it five minutes of the grip or you'll say, yeah,

1241
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: you can go with it now. They always want to

1242
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 1: hit it immediately, and they always don't want to wait

1243
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: long enough for everything to dry because they have no patience.

1244
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: Who's the hardest type of player to work with from

1245
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: a club fitting standpoint.

1246
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: Guys who have a unique sense of feel, Because feel

1247
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 2: is not something.

1248
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 3: You can measure necessarily right.

1249
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 2: You can measure swing weight, but you know, when you

1250
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 2: talk about the shaft feel or impact feel that a

1251
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 2: player has, it's it's very subjective.

1252
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: It's the holy great. It's the only I always say

1253
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 1: to the guys, listen, you are the only one that

1254
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 1: can tell us what's going on with the players. I

1255
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: would say, you're the only one that can tell us.

1256
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: We can never get into your body. I can look,

1257
01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: I've seen, you know, with the guys that I work with,

1258
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: I've seen thousands upon thousands upon them. I've worked with

1259
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: DJ since twenty twelve. I mean, the amount of golf

1260
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: swings that I've watched him make in practice, in practice, round,

1261
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: in off weeks and tournament weeks is staggering. The amount

1262
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: of ales I've seen. But I will never be able

1263
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: to feel what he feels. You've built thousands upon thousands

1264
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: of golf clubs for players, but you can only build

1265
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: them to the way that they tell you they want

1266
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: it built, and then give it to them, and then

1267
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: ultimately they're the They're the driver of the car. They're

1268
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: going to come in and go. The car feels loose,

1269
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: the car doesn't feel like this. If you watch Drive

1270
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: to Survive or anything. They'll come in and the engineers

1271
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: so like the cars, same set up as we had

1272
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: last time. They're like, it feels terrible. It feels terrible.

1273
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: So we had a scenario this week. This is a

1274
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 2: good example of like that that fine tuning element. Right,

1275
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 2: So we're building back up three woods fur Lahiri and

1276
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 2: we take it out there and we hit it and

1277
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: it's fine, pretty good, and he's like, it just doesn't

1278
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 2: feel quite right. And so I'm like, all right, well,

1279
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 2: let's move some weight around. And so sometimes before we

1280
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: maybe hot melt something, we'll use lead tape and let's

1281
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: pull a little weight out from the front because it

1282
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 2: had an adjust them a weight in the front of

1283
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 2: the head.

1284
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 3: Light that up. Put a little weight back.

1285
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: Let's see if we get the launch and spin and

1286
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 2: get the head to move the way you're looking to

1287
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: do it. So we we do that. It was a

1288
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: terrible experiment. It didn't work, and I was like, all right, well,

1289
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 2: let me try this. So I take that same piece

1290
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 2: of tape, the same four grams, and I put it.

1291
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 3: Into the heel.

1292
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 2: I literally moved it from the back of the head

1293
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: into the heel and all of a sudden, it was perfect.

1294
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 2: The head started to release exactly how he wanted it to.

1295
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 3: Right.

1296
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Speaker 2: We didn't change the weight overall, right, sometimes if you

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Speaker 2: go a little bit heavier, a little bit or lighter,

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Speaker 2: it will change how the shaft deflects. We didn't change

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Speaker 2: any of that. All we did is change where the

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Speaker 2: weight was in the head and what he was feeling

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Speaker 2: down through impact, how he was controlling the face of impact,

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, it was perfect.

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Speaker 1: It's a tiny, tiny adjustment, but at this level, the

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01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: players are so in tune to what they do, what

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Speaker 1: they feel, and what they want to feel, and what

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Speaker 1: they want on a c the Bryson experiment, I'm obviously

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Speaker 1: Bryson is a very unique golfer. He's a very unique person.

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Speaker 1: He's an incredibly demanding person on his equipment. I think

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Speaker 1: Bryson's always looking for unicorns, specifically with the drivers. I've

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Speaker 1: watched him go through fifteen twenty different heads in one

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Speaker 1: practice session and stuff the rabbit hole that Bryson can

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Speaker 1: co go down. In your opinion, as someone who is

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Speaker 1: on that side of things, there's the technical side of

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Speaker 1: what he's doing, but I think Bryson's trying to match.

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Speaker 1: It's a science experiment, and he's trying to match a

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Speaker 1: very unique technique of swinging the golf club and delivering

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Speaker 1: the golf club. And he's asking a lot of his equipment.

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Speaker 1: What's that experience been like with Bryce? What have you

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Speaker 1: learned from being around Bryson from a club build and

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Speaker 1: fit standpoint that you didn't know?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I think the one thing, especially actually the last couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks, because he's been doing a lot of ball testing. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: And so the one thing that really has come to light,

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Speaker 2: I would say, in the club fitting world, and this

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Speaker 2: is all about using these pieces of equipment to get

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Speaker 2: the ball into the air to go somewhere. You have

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Speaker 2: to control the actual golf ball. That's actually the name

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Speaker 2: of the game. And I think with all the ball

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Speaker 2: testing that he's done, in some small tweaks with his equipment,

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Speaker 2: you know, and I'm small and say small, right, he

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Speaker 2: might be modifying the loft by a degree again to

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Speaker 2: get the right spin ratios to control the golf ball.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the one thing that I've really learned

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Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks is how important it is

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Speaker 2: to control the golf ball because if you can't control it,

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Speaker 2: which he's had a little bit of a difficult time doing,

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Speaker 2: especially experimenting with these balls that launch and spend differently

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Speaker 2: than what he's been playing the last I don't know,

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Speaker 2: eighteen months.

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Speaker 3: Is he is.

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Speaker 2: Having a harder time controlling how far it goes downwind,

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Speaker 2: how far it goes into the wind, like those types

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Speaker 2: of things. Is It's really interesting. I think his golf

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Speaker 2: swing is constantly evolving. It may look the same, but

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Speaker 2: where it is in space, at the speed that he

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Speaker 2: delivers it, his fraction for areas like so so small,

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01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 2: so small, it's so small. So when he's rifling through

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Speaker 2: all these drivers, depending on what his club delivery is

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Speaker 2: at the time, maybe he needs a little bit more loft,

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Speaker 2: literally like a half a degree more loft, or maybe

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Speaker 2: it's a little less loft, you know, Like that's the

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Speaker 2: difference between him hitting it full send, straight exactly how

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Speaker 2: he wants it, and hitting it you know his miss

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01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 2: is usually a big hook and that it's like that's

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Speaker 2: the little bit of a difference.

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Speaker 1: And going back to the car analogy, everybody, specifically on

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Speaker 1: the tour level, but everybody in the game is to

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Speaker 1: drive the car faster. The best players in the world

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Speaker 1: are constantly trying to drive the car faster without crashing it.

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01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: And that constant quest for speed, I think we are

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Speaker 1: in the speed era. Lastly, for the average golfer, what

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Speaker 1: do you feel like, equipment wise or the easiest low

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Speaker 1: hanging fruit to gain speed?

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Speaker 3: To gain speed?

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Speaker 2: So I would say it's actually more on like the

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Speaker 2: fitness side of it, right, like, prepare your body, you know,

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Speaker 2: stretch to move, to move, Prepare your.

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Speaker 3: Body to move.

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Speaker 2: Don't just like roll out of the car, go to

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Speaker 2: the practice range, hit a couple balls, and expect that

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Speaker 2: you're gonna be a peak performance, right Like, do some exercises,

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Speaker 2: do some stretching. Come up with a consistent program, both

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Speaker 2: on the golf course and off the golf course, getting

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Speaker 2: your body to move efficiently and consistently. I always tell

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Speaker 2: people out here, the most impressive thing about these athletes

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Speaker 2: isn't how far they hit it or how much speed

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01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 2: they have. It's how good they are to get their

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Speaker 2: body to move the same day in and day out.

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Speaker 2: That's the most impressive thing. Like if you think about

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01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 2: going to play golf for seven days in a row,

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01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 2: six days in a row, it's really hard and to

1383
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Speaker 2: get your body to move the same day for seven days,

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Speaker 2: let alone.

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Speaker 3: Week after week after a week.

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Speaker 1: And then you throw life on top of that, strange bed,

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Speaker 1: strange pillows. How much sleep did you get, Do you

1388
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Speaker 1: have a cold? How's the body feeling, and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: It's getting your body to do as well as it can.

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Speaker 2: And I think building in those routines, especially if you

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Speaker 2: stretch just a little bit and you do a couple

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01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 2: you know, leg exercises, some air squats before you hit

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Speaker 2: a golf ball, you probably will hit it better and

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Speaker 2: your body will move more fluidly.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we could sit here and talk for hours. Ben.

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Speaker 1: The Instagram site is it's the o' van, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's a really cool insight into some of the

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Speaker 1: builds you guys do and then your day job when

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Speaker 1: you're not out on tour. You guys have this kind

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Speaker 1: of tour build set up in two locations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're at Pumpkin Ridge out and just outside

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Speaker 2: of Portland, Oregon, and then just outside of Nashville we're

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Speaker 2: at a club called The Hermitage. So we've got two

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Speaker 2: retail locations that my business partner, Jason Warner and he's

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Speaker 2: in Nashville. I'm out in Portland. That's our day job,

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01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 2: you know. So we that's actually the same model as

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Speaker 2: we have out here right. We have access to every manufacturer,

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01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 2: every shaft, every component, and we fit outdoors off of

1409
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 2: grass just like we do with these players. It's all

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Speaker 2: component builds. I mean, it's it's as close to a

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Speaker 2: tour experience experience as you're gonna come. We work with

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Speaker 2: the best players in the world, and we build the

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Speaker 2: equipment the same.

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Speaker 1: Way well, week in, week out, year in and year out.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you guys are the unsung heroes of the tour,

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Speaker 1: you guys, or of the mechanics. And I don't think

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Speaker 1: the players can thank you enough because you guys basically

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Speaker 1: keep the car running, keep the car on the track,

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01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: and and help them perform and get some rest in

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Speaker 1: the off season, and we'll do it all again next year.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for talking to us, some of which comes to

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Speaker 1: you almost every week. Thanks everyone for listening.