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Speaker 1: Could it be as easy as five easy faces to

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be speaking now with James Stone, new York

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Speaker 1: Times best selling author about his new book, where I

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Speaker 1: especially talked to him about financial reform, What's wrong with

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Speaker 1: and I thank you very much, Athlene Hayes. We're looking

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Speaker 1: I'm Scarlet Food. Although how Speaker Paul Ryan called Donald

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Hayes and Grim Fox on Bloomberg Radio. The biggest

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Speaker 1: economic challenges facing America could be solved with five easy

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Speaker 1: feces some common sense solutions, so writes James Own, founder,

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Speaker 1: You were the Massachusetts Insurance Commissioner from seventy to seventy nine.

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Speaker 1: Futures Trading Commission, you found the Plymouth Rock. I could

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Speaker 1: not You're not only an academic. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: one of the things that makes this book so powerful.

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Speaker 1: What drove you to write it? Well, I felt I

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Speaker 1: this book was a chance to link my three careers

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Speaker 1: there then, because you're an not the only person who

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Speaker 1: common sense solution and why do you say there's still

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Speaker 1: so much risk in the financial system. Well, the financial

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Speaker 1: So netting, you know, is a partial thing and not

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Speaker 1: Appropriations get a lot of attention every year, they get

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